Can I Have Assurance of Salvation?
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- Remnant Radio hosts and Josh Lewis and Michael Rowntree discuss soteriology and whether Christian believers can have assurance of their salvation. The hosts have differing opinions, so it is a healthy discussion of the different facets of salvation and assurance of salvation in Jesus Christ.
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I so needed this. I've been saved since 2017 but have been going through a dark night of the soul and was struggling with exactly what Josh talked about. Thank you for this!
The Word “Baptize”:
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Oh boy this resonates with me. I first believed in Jesus in 1988 when I was a teen. But for 2 years I walked in extreme insecurity and asked Jesus to come in my heart and save me on a daily basis. It wasn’t until a youth retreat 2 years later when I received what I called my assurance of salvation when I for the first time publicly confessed my faith in Jesus to others. It changed something inside of me and I knew that I knew I was in Jesus. But I actually lost that sense of assurance decades later as I drifted from God. I’m back now but never feel what I felt then. It’s definitely not the same.
I grew up in the Church. I was rebellious against God from a teen till mid 20's. He led me back to Him through my paternal grandparents! I'm just thinking back to all the times I said the: "sinner's prayer" 😂! And finally after the 4th, or 5th time; I broke down in uncontrollable tears and realised what Christ truly did for me 🙏💚. We can absolutely have assurance of salvation.
Another thing about not seeing victory over a certain sin, it could be that the reason you struggle with this particular thing because you have a screwed up relationship with your father, or etc... so the Lord could be working on something that isn’t the obvious thing to you, but God fixes this thing over here and suddenly, you no longer do that big obvious sin.
This has been such heavy topic in my life. Although I doubt I'll lay hold of this any time soon, this was helpful.
45:00-48:00. You have no idea how much I needed to hear this. Thank you. Thank you.
If I may say so nicely, Salvation is the beginning of the life long process in which we continue to grow until death. No Christian is ever fully spiritually mature enough.
Philippians 2:12 NKJV
[12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Humbleness is key to salvation. For example you are alive until the body is dead. You also are being saved until you are dead. When in a race you do not slow down or stop, you persevere until the end.
Proverbs 15:33 NKJV
[33] The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom, And before honor is humility.
2 Timothy 4:7 NKJV
[7] I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
Hebrews 12:1 NKJV
[1] Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
15:04 Michael wearing a Luka jersey but laughing like Kawhi 😅
Lol!!
I am in Indiana will check that conference out in the Great Lakes part of the Midwest . I love this discussion. Assurance of salvation has been a huge study in my life. I recommend personally the books caleld Eternal Security by Dr R.T Kendall and Charles Stanley . I like the studies of Dr DeHaan on his views very similar to Kendall, Stanley's through his Grand Rapids Radio Bible class studies on scripture though I disagree with his views on cessationism. I am a big Hebrews guy myself. My theology is Baptist Provisionist though I am Pentecostal in tradition now apart of the Evangelical Covenant Church a Lutheran Piety circle. I also would affirm the Wesleyan view of Sanctification though I am Reformed leaning on Predestination and Election . Thesosis perfect love cast out fear the journey of union. I also find in my 40 years of experience many our fruit inspectors righting people off more then Jesus does Lol. Arminians and Calvinist have been guilty of this in history. John's Gospel and Epistles should be read together theologically speaking .
God chooses us based on the heart. There is nothing we can do to ensure salvation. We simply have child like faith. Ephesians 1:4-5 NKJV
[4] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, [5] having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Romans 1:16,17 KJV - "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed FROM FAITH TO FAITH: as it is written, THE JUST SHALL LIVE by faith."
You can't have the assurance of salvation unless you live by faith, like the birds. Depending on God to feed you day by day, and making no provision for the flesh. It's not enough to believe the gospel and receive Christ once. You must live by faith in the gospel, and receive Christ every day.
Can't wait for another remnant episode full of New Revelation.
Isn't a better definition of repentance-"a change of mind". Being how you perceive sin. Before it was something you saw as natural but after being enlighten by God you perceive sin as bad and harmful. Which this internal change of mind on what we now perceive as something bad keeping us from relationship with God- we avoid or turn from in actions. I like this definition because it's an internal change of the mind that effects the external action. Similar to how James describes faith. God bless and Amen good video
I really appreciated the way Roundtree explained the biblical meaning of “Believe“ as meaning to entrust your life (trust) in the finished work of Christ, somewhere around the middle of the video. It was confusing at the beginning when it was said that to be saved you must 1) turn from your sins; and 2) trust in Christ. The problem with that is one cannot “Turn from their sins“ without the aid of the Holy Spirit in the process of sanctification which follows justification. So believing (trusting) in Jesus’ finished work is salvation (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-9 ). Salvation is completely based on receiving Christ’s work (Philippians 3:7-11). And I also appreciated Lewis stating that we should trust Christ’s work and not our own! But I’m glad that it was cleared up!
The people who heard John the Baptists preaching were commanded to turn from their sins.
I used to seek the comfort of assurance in my life given to Jesus Christ, but as of this point in my life I don't think I will ever have it, it is in my struggle each day to please my Lord in childlike (as someone else said wanting and seeking that I may always be. I know that i will always serve my Father until my death but I cannot know if Jesus will Know me when I see him. I pray to him each night that he will know me and my wife when we pass on. If i never have an assurance that he will know me I at this point would accept that, in that longing and unknowing its answer ultimately i speak with my Father daily (nightly) towards that end i want it so badly, and above All things. But if my father gives me only moments of assurance or none at all, i will accept his will and seek his Knowing all the same
Just wanted to say thanks to Josh and Michael for everything. This issue of assurance/eternal security is certainly a big issue. First of all, I think there are genuine believers that fall on different sides of this issue. I'm not here to question people's salvation but I will contribute some of my thoughts because I understand that is part of what TRR is about.
Right from the beginning of the church not one believer held to the doctrine of eternal security or OSAS. The only people who called themselves "Christians" and believed that they were OSAS were the Gnostics. The Gnostics were a heretical group that sprang up in the mid/late 1st century and the Apostle John wrote against them in his first letter and Gospel.
Irenaeus, writing in the late 2nd century again the Gnostics said this: “But as to themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature.”
The first Christian to embrace this teaching was Augustine who incorporated Gnostic doctrines into his later theology (Check Dr. Ken Wilson's work on Augustine). The Reformers (Luther and Calvin) both went to Augustine for doctrine. This is where we get the modern doctrine of eternal security or OSAS. Not one Christian to my knowledge before the Reformation (besides Augustine) held to this view.
Christ clearly teaches against this (John 15:1-10 and elsewhere) but we have found a way around His teaching (like the way Matthew 7:21-23 was mishandled in the show). In Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 13:41 it's clear the issue is people practicing lawlessness (a.k.a. sin). These people will not inherit the kingdom (those practicing sin - living in sin). This is exactly what Paul says as well (1 Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:3-7). Paul says to not be deceived in both passages - warning that believers can be deceived about this issue. That's what I believe is going on in much of the modern church today and what was sadly espoused in this episode.
Do you not sin anymore? What is your idea of living in sin because if we sin daily how is that not living in sin? Sins of ignorance and sins of omission as well.
@@theneverending9319 Your question is based on a false assumption (or multiple false assumptions, more likely). So I can't answer it or else I would give validity to your erroneous framework.
@@ApostolicChristianity You could have easily explained what you meant. It's not hard. What's the difference between sinning daily and living in sin?
@@theneverending9319 You edited your initial question/comment after I had already replied to you so I'm just seeing what you added now. It's past my bedtime and there's a lot to unpack here. I'll have to check back tomorrow.
The common question to the doctrine that you can fall away is: we’re all sinners; what’s the line in the sand of a Christian sinning too much, that he’ll eventually go to hell?
There are some examples: Christ in the parable of the wicked servant in Mathew 24 and Luke 12, says that if his servant, who knows his will, ends up becoming so wretched and wicked that he beats people - this servant will get his portion with the unbelievers and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (The complimentary accounts of this parable in both gospels, state all these words, giving the full description of how close the servant is- knowing God’s will, and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for him). So if a servant basically apostasizes and displays the evil opposite of the fruit of Christ , there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for him - Christ also says in the Luke 12 account, that the servant who knew will be beaten with many stripes, compared to the person who didn’t know Christ. 2 Peter 2:20 describes how a person who was saved from the sickness of the world - it’d have been better for him not to have known Christ than to fall away, his second state after falling is worse than his first without knowing Christ.. he will be beaten with many stripes for falling away. Hebrews 10:26-31 helps us understand that “trampling the blood underfoot” as a believer, this is worse than an original Israelite rejecting Moses’ law and dying ; and if we sin willfully after salvation there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, trampling the blood underfoot. A common response to this exhortation by Paul is that it’s to Jews; well Romans 11:21 is to gentiles “For if God did not spare the natural branches (John 15:6 same metaphor from Christ) then he won’t spare you either (Gentiles). In Mark 11:26 Christ is speaking to the apostles “forgive others or neither will your Father in Heaven forgive your sins”. I’ll wrap my response up to you my friend more on topic to your specific question. 1st John says walking in light and not darkness is how we know we know Him, and live in truth. It also says that if we sin, we will be cleansed if we repent, because God is faithful. We are to keep our hearts to Him, sinning happens, but keep your heart to God and you’ll be saddened by it and repent and stop it and walk in light. 1 Co 6:9-11 says that a long list of sins will not inherit the kingdom of God - and we used to be the people who did these things. Let 1 John illuminate 1 Corinthians 6 = in Christ we’re supposed to be so new that we walk in light! We don’t walk as the world. If we slip up, we have an advocate in Christ and we will be washed by repenting. But we’re new. If we say we’re new yet walk in the darkness of old, this is terrible. The transformation is supposed to be so amazing and full; I feel like this gets understated today. We’re supposed to be so new; Paul talks about it over and over, and so does 1 John. We’re sanctified in truth; so we don’t have to worry about true doctrines being burdensome; truth will increase the Spirit in us, make us more Holy and increase the fruits of love/joy/etc. Spurgeon has a couple great sermons on this. The ability to fall away is a truth that has sanctified me and not increased my fear, it’s made the Spirit stronger in me. We have “the Spirit of truth” , a lie cannot increase the Spirit’s fruit in us. Bless everyone reading this :)
Simply OOOO yes we have perfect assurance yhe second you trust in the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Je'sus Christ
Why is assurance of salvation important? Am I looking for reassurance that I can screw up and be fine? Am I looking for my hall pass to be selfish and still get into heaven? Am I looking for a line that I can get 51% over so I don’t go to the bad place?
Furthermore, why am I concerned about a line for salvation? Is it so that I know that I’m “saved” and someone else isn’t? Why does it matter to me if someone is saved? Does it change the way I act towards them? Do I act more/less Christian around someone is is not saved or more/less Christian around someone who is?
Everyone needs Jesus and everyone needs to be reminded of Jesus. I need to be reminded of Jesus’s love and freedoms and forgiveness every moment of every day. I need to be reminded of his judgement and wrath every day. I am a Christian. I am saved. But I still need to be reminded. I need to be evangelized daily. I need to evangelize daily.
Assurance can give you hope, and sometimes that's very important.
Also, I think it would be difficult to tell someone how they can have eternal life if the person preaching to them doesnt have assurance that they have eternal life.
Nobody should want assurance of salvation so they can use it as a hall pass. Paul says the same thing about Gods grace in Roman's chapter 6.
When a Calvinist pastor apostasizes after 20 yrs of ministry, the Calvinist contradicts herself when she says "he was never saved."
Wait -- I thought Calvinists teach that a reprobate/non-elect individual is literally not able to seek after God. 🤔
So how do you explain a reprobate pastoring a Reformed assembly?
Conference sounds exciting. Hope to make it.
"but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:31 As they song says, "Don't stop...believin'!"
You say that disobedience affects your faith, and I don't necessarily disagree with that, but does not someone disobey for their lack of faith in that God is who He says He is, in the first place?
Faith produces obedience which proves faith. Constant, habitual, non fruit bearing disobedience would prove someone to not be faithful.
The distinguishing factor in whether someone obeys or not is the Holy Spirit, since He is the One Who sanctifies and produces fruit from within us.
Can the Holy Spirit depart from you, though? I think that's a big question. I don't see any evidence of someone in the NT genuinely receiving the Holy Spirit and then losing Him because of their lack of faith/disobedience. The OT has examples of the Holy Spirit departing from people/people's, but I do not believe they were indwelt like believers are in the NT. That's the significance of Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
That's the very simple way of looking at it. Hebrews is definitely a book that challenges the belief of eternal security, but I think it's a book that is full of warnings for us, which I think is good and necessary. God understands His purpose and plans, but He is also, in a sense, outside of time. We, who are in time, need warnings like these to cause us to continue to fight the good face, and finish the race. "For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus."
I'll take that to the bank. It's not I who make myself a partaker, but He that lives and works within me. I can only fight and run because I have the Holy Spirit. And I can only praise God for that! 🙌🏼.
Love your channel. Please keep challenging me. I've already moved on some views because of you guys, and I'm not ashamed of it 😂
Can you guys link the book on the Holy Spirit Michael Rowntree mentioned?
As a Pastor I would love to get it. Thanks guys.
So, I listened back again and I think the biggest issue is how we understand the teachings of Christ. At 23:40, the passage in view is Luke 18:9-14 (The Pharisee and the Tax Collector). Josh references Matthew 5:20 and says "Your good works are never enough to make you right before God". But that's not the point of Luke 18 or Matthew 5. The issue in Luke 18 is pridefulness. Now the Pharisees had a different standard for righteousness than God did. So when they met their own standard of righteousness they considered others inferior. But no one who is prideful can have a right standing before God. This is why God had mercy on the tax collector who humbled himself. To label the issue "good works" is inaccurate. The issue was the iniquitous inner disposition of the heart of the Pharisee and his failure to humble himself before the Almighty.
Josh also misses concerning Matthew 5:20 where Jesus says, "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." The Pharisees had outer displays of righteousness but they were hypocrites and practiced lawlessness (Matt. 23:28). What Jesus is saying in Matt. 5:20 is that He wants His disciples to be righteous inside and out. He goes on to explain what that looks like by immediately addressing our inner desires and thoughts and how they need to be right. Those who practice lawlessness are in danger of "the condemnation of hell" (Matt. 23:33; Matt. 7:23, Matt. 13:41).
This misinterpretation of Christ's teachings sadly stems from unbelief. We can live the way Christ taught...but not by unbelief. We can only obey Him by faith.
Read Justin Martyr's First Apology where he expounds the teachings of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount and says essentially "this is how Christians live". He concludes this section with these words: “Let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood not to be Christians, even though they profess with the lips the teachings of Christ. For it is not those who make profession, but those who do the works, who will be saved.” He then quotes from Matt. 7:21-23.
It's important that people know that the typical Protestant interpretation of Christ's teachings often follow this pattern - 1) unbelief/creation of novel doctrine (doesn't matter which comes first) and 2) reinterpretation to fit novel doctrine.
@@Butterinthefield This idea of having assurance is a novel preoccupation in part because people haven’t had a proper beginning to their Christian life and/or are living in sin. There was a point in my life where I thought I had cleaned house...and I was doing really well for a while. Then I eventually crashed and burned because I let myself relax.
Salvation is primarily a future prospect for current believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. In this sense we don’t need to be looking back and looking for assurance as much as we need to be looking forward and pressing on to make our calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10-11). I’m more concerned about reaching the destination. I have confidence that if I keep going in the right direction then I will make it to the final destination.
You may be misunderstanding the Early Christian position. God is truly merciful when properly understood. God’s mercy has always worked the same way. He has mercy on those who humble themselves, confess and forsake their sins (Proverbs 28:13). His judgment falls on those who resist His grace and refuse to learn righteousness (Isaiah 26:9-10). Same way God has handled mankind throughout human history.
You may want to check my body of work on Luther because it’s all substantiated. The relationship between Luther and OSAS is that modern proponents of OSAS use Luther’s doctrines...that’s the connection.
Also remember, Luther taught salvation was based on believing his own doctrines! So apostasy to Luther would’ve been ceasing to believe Luther’s doctrines. Is this not highly absurd?
@@Butterinthefield Jon, I actually like you. I'm a musician too...be patient with me because I want to give you a thorough reply but I won't have time until later.
@@Butterinthefield I have not read loads of Luther, but I have read some, including his commentary on Galatians. The focus there seems to be very much on trusting Christ for salvation, not trusting his own doctrine. Furthermore, he says the following on Galatians 5:21:
“This is a hard saying, but very necessary for those false Christians and hypocrites who speak much about the Gospel, about faith, and the Spirit, yet live after the flesh. But this hard sentence is directed chiefly at the heretics who are large with their own self-importance, that they may be frightened into taking up the fight of the Spirit against the flesh.”
Hardly easy-believism here. I would echo the comment someone else mentioned here on recommending Dr. Jordan Cooper. He is a Lutheran pastor and theologian who has also done extensive work on the early church fathers.
*So, Luther is enigmatic to say the least. I would liken him to one of those pictures or paintings where if you look at it one way you see one thing and if you look at it another way you see something totally different. Quotes from Luther literally run the gamut. I would think his polemical writings give more insight to his character than his biblical commentaries. I like Dr. Jordan Cooper and I listen to him pretty regularly.*
I disagree your comment about assurance being a later novel preoccupation. There would appear to be many places in the NT where assurance is stressed:
Jesus told his disciples to rejoice because their names are “written in heaven” (Luke 10:20). He assures those who come to him will be never driven away (John 6:37). He assured the dying thief that he would be with him in paradise (Luke 23:43).
Elsewhere Paul tells the Thessalonians not to grieve like the world for those who have fallen asleep in Christ but to be encouraged that they will be with the Lord (1 Thess 4:13-14). He doesn’t add “ providing they’ve done enough good works” or anything like that.
The entire 8th chapter of Romans seems to be written to assure Paul’s hearers of No condemnation and no separation. John says he writes his first epistle so that his hearers may know they have eternal life (1 John 5:13).
None of this precludes having to persevere in faith to the end, of course, or the very real danger of apostasy. Nevertheless, there seems to be assurance for those who are currently in Christ.
*My point was that people are preoccupied with this issue today. You don’t see believers in the NT wondering if they were saved or not or if they could have assurance of not. So, take the three Gospel examples you mentioned, what Jesus said was not in response to His disciples’ anxious inquiries about assurance. That’s my point.*
You talk of the fact that there should be no assurance for those who live in sin. I agree if we are talking about deliberate unrepentant sin as a life style (as the guys in the video did with the example of a man living with and sleeping with his girlfriend).
*Yes.*
However, if you are talking sinless perfection, and that Christ casts us off every time we sin then I would have to disagree (cf 1 John 2:1-2).
*No, I would never say something like that.*
I do not deliberately sin, but I know I do struggle with sinful inclinations and attitudes and have to ask for forgiveness from God daily.
*My experience is not dramatically different than this.*
In terms of the proper beginning issue, we had a brief exchange about this on your channel a while back and I said that I understand the first three steps (repentance, faith and baptism) but have been perplexed about an experiential baptism of the Holy Spirit. Such an experience seems to evade me.
*I’m still in process myself.*
Incidentally, I know you have been influenced by David Pawson on this issue and I asked him personally about the issue of assurance in 2009. He was, I’m afraid to say, very rude and grumpy with me and essentially fobbed me off. I have actually found this to be a common trait among those who have similar views to you (though I am NOT accusing you personally of this), that they tend to be very unpastoral, uncaring and insensitive to those who struggle with these things. Even now I feel like I am fighting for my right to call myself a Christian when I type this, and know too well the long nights and despondency that doubting one’s place before God can bring.
*I’m sorry to hear this. Jesus said, “blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy”. My rule of thumb is to not judge others more severely than I judge myself. Perhaps I fail at times…but it does guide my personal interactions with others. Regarding your situation we do want to strike a balance between complacent assurance or taking our salvation for granted and a kind of debilitating worry/fear/terror. I think generally we should be proactive in our walk and have a healthy fear of God.*
*I’ll finish by coming back to the Luther comment. You said, “The focus there [for Luther] seems to be very much on trusting Christ for salvation, not trusting his own doctrine.”*
*It would certainly seem that way. But Luther redefined what “faith” (or “trust”) was and he even had his own specific definition of what “Christ” meant as well so for Luther “faith/trust” in “Christ” meant something very specific…it meant his doctrine. He makes this explicitly clear in his preface to the Book of Romans where he says he has to define all these terms before the reader can understand Romans, Paul and all of the Scriptures. He says not to listen to anyone who disagrees or contradicts his definitions.*
*If you want to know more about that check my Luther Series out and/or email me to continue the conversation. I’m happy to talk more about anything.*
@@Butterinthefield Always enjoy chatting, Jon. Hopefully get to talk to you more another time. No reason we have to be strangers :)
Hey guys. You should really consider getting a Free Grace theologian in there when it comes to this debate. They offer a different perspective than both sides. See: Dr Charlie Bing, Dr Fred Chey, Dr Jody Dillow, Dr David Anderson, Dr Ken Wilson, etc.
I asked Dr Wilkin in Jan but he said no 😢 i agree it would b good!
@@michaelrowntree2005 I go to a Free Grace School and am in contact with several of the names I mentioned. I can reach out to one of those if you’d like. Dr Wilkin is in a little bit of a different camp than some FG people.
Wow......ty very much. Im about 10 minutes in and, "I like what I hear so far."
I cant believe ive never heard of this.
I know catholic/mormon/JW/7thdays/gnostic/kaballah/calvinism/pentacostal & apostalic/lutheran/etc etc....most doctrines, but I have never researched this doctrine.
Im a Messianic Jew, we have a little different way of going about things, "ONE FOR ISRAEL" are my guys, but im very happy you introduced me to this doctrine. Ive not experienced before.
Jesus/Yeshua is Christ/Moschiach!!!!
Shalom brother.
If you can't get any of those guys to come on the air, might I suggest John Lynch of TrueFace Ministries or Pastor Andrew Farley. Both are brilliant, articulate, and would be great proponents of the grace of eternal security. These guys have done more to shape my understanding of grace than anybody in ministry today.
Hey guys, it would be really awesome if you could haven Jeff Mcswain on the show. He has a soteriological view that’s influenced by Barth and it’s really interesting and it’s not very well known among lay people, even if you disagree with him. He has a PhD from St. Andrews in Scotland and I think it would be really great to have his perspective on the show, especially since it’s one of the only soteriologies that y’all haven’t covered, and I think I would be stimulating for the audience, and possibly help with your “soteriological homelessness”! Haha thanks guys for all you do!
What about the mole position? I can’t think of the big word it actually is.
What was the book on The Holy Spirit he recommended?
The Holy Spirit by Gregg Allison
@@dborisov23 thank you!
Love this but I feel like the guys use repentance wrong in the context of scrioture. Metanoia is the greek word used and it doesn't mean turn from sin but to change one's mind. The context is what matters most and when speaking of Salvation its changing one's mind about Jesus not turning from sin to be saved. How would a non Christian turn from all their sin before even being saved? Also what christian claims they've turned from all their sin? Turning from sin occurs after Salvation.
A link to that book by Greg Allison?
It's pretty simple --- "Walk according to the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh."
"Sin" can and will thwart a believers journey on the road that leads to Eternal Life. OSAS is heresy. God's Grace is Conditional. It is conditioned upon believing and FOLLOWING His Son. We had "free will" to believe --- we have "free will" to sin and walk in disobedience and get thrown right off that road.
How about those of us who believe in a conditional “this world” salvation and an unconditional resurrection salvation. Falling away impacts your source of holy joy in this life until repentance, but the eternal joy will never be taken away. Simply asked, are Ananias and Sapphira going to be resurrected into glory upon the second coming. I believe yes, they are. Calvinists would say they were never “really” saved. I believe they were really saved eternally, but forfeited the benefits of salvation in this life only through their falling away. Thoughts on that perspective?
And to cut off the knee jerk objection to this position, no this does not promote antinomianism. The strawman opposition is this just gives us license to sin all the more. Paul confronts this in Romans. Shall we sin more so grace may abound? By no means!
I think they could go either way. Were they riding the tide of the movement with ulterior motives, following signs and wonders? Or were they believing in Christ and made a misstep, being baby Christians, and kept back money as insurance, then lied from shame, and were made a most severe example? I know my own personal failures after having believed makes this passage quite sobering.
@@aaronshirley4462 There really was no indication that anyone would want to join the disciples for some ulterior motive of gain, there was nothing but pain and persecution ahead in the eyes of the unbelieving. I have to trust the Bible when it says that all those who were in the body of believers in those first days were endowed with the Holy Spirit, and therefore eternally justified as Paul describes in Romans 8.
Where in Illinois and do you have a website with info about this ministry?
Why all the attempts at humor. It is distracting.
Your the biggest joke here. Hypocritical clown
So you are teaching Justification by faith AND 'works' and that Pauls statement 'not of yourselves so that no man can boast' is irrelevant.
Guys, you completely dismiss many passages of the Bible, many red letter words of Christ himself, that refer to doing good works, and avoiding evil works, for salvation. We are justified by grace through faith in Christ - he is the doorway - but we must cooperate with his grace. Hate to tell you, but the Catholic position is correct on this issue. Some verses, I welcome you to refute any of these words of Christ and Paul. Matthew 5:17-20; Matthew 6:14-15; Matthew 19:42; Matthew 12:34-37; Matthew 13:24-30,36-42; Matthew 13:47-50; Matthew 18:34-35; Matthew 19:16-30; Matthew 25:31-46; Luke 10:25-37; John 3:16-21; John 5:28-29; John 14:12-15; Romans 1:16-17; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 11:6; 1 Corinthians 5:3-5; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Galatians 5:19-26; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 5:1-5; Colossians 1:9-10; Titus 1:15-16; Titus 3:4-8; Hebrews 10:26-29; James 2:14-26; 2 Peter 1:5-11; 1 John 2:3-6; Revelation 20:11-15.
Arminian not to be confused with Armenian
Does a valid passport n visa n requirements allow me to enter the United States legally? The answer is yes, yes and yes. Jesus is my passport and visa into heaven, trust He is yours. With the help of the Spirit of God i was able to repent from my sins 1 John 1:9 and God cleansed me from all unrighteousness and gave me a new beginning.
If Trinity and deity of Christ are doctrines of Lucifer who wanted to become God and now the son did like that angel in Almighty Buckland? If greatest two commands summarize all law and Prophets and tithing is robbery of Honor parents command aren't most in the apostasy eternally insecure? How does omnipresence divided in halves or thirds with algebra not funny to Almighty father An Almighty Buckland God not mocked but somebody might be soon
What are you smoking? I want some you crazy lunatic
Thanks beware when all men speak good of you so they did with all the false prophets in Elijah's day so maybe I should be mocked by your type
Luka Magic!!
CAN I HAVE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION?
YES! And I would strongly urge you to be careful of smooth-tongued hirelings who, to date, mainly exhibit ignorance as to the absolute triumph of the gospel, as do their brainwashed acolytes who at least regurgitate their fearful nonsense for free. “The prince that lacks understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hates covetousness shall prolong his days.” Proverbs 28:16. Princes that lack understanding use so-called principles to build and prop up their spiritual principalities - not love.
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially* of those that believe.” 1 Tim 4:10.
*”especially” does not mean exclusively, it means firstly and foremostly. “God is able to reconcile all things to Himself.” Colossians 1:20.
Bear in mind that Jesus came to His own and His own received Him not.
... and that Jesus was “sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” His words.
The (12 thousand from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, the elect) who were given* the gift of faith were cautioned that they had nothing to boast in.
*”given”. Gift, get it?
Israel were dead in their trespasses and sins*. Dead men don’t ‘choose’, ‘surrender to’, ‘accept the invitation of’, or ‘make a decision for’ God. God does the choosing/electing.
*”trespasses and sins”. Israel were subject to the law until Jesus came up out of the waters of baptism. Father then acclaimed Jesus as His Son and thereby ratified all of Jesus’ proclamations to Israel.
Those of Israel that rejected Jesus Christ during and after His earthly ministry were judged (according to their vain and stubborn delusion that they kept all of the laws of the Old Covenant) in 70 AD. They were not blessed to see that Jesus fulfilled every last jot and tittle of the law. Since then all things have indeed become new to them, the ones to whom this declaration was addressed, the former things have passed away.
There is now only “love, against which there is no law” and where there is no law sin cannot be imputed. Romans 5:13. Norman Greenbaum knew this when he sang, “Never been a sinner, never sinned.” ‘Spirit in the sky.’ It was for freedom that Christ has set us free.
Full disclosure: I have never sacrificed a dove, a lamb, a goat, or a bull, or a red heifer, on any day of the week, month, year, or millennium. I trim my beard whenever and however I please. I am free to hang out with all those of the ‘Kojak-in-a-roll-neck-sweater-tribe’ and with all those in the ‘blind-mole-club’, and with those who are equipped to receive members from either party. Seafood? I see it, I have the liberty to eat it.
You and me, being of the progeny of Adam, and having been made in God’s image, have been delivered from death because Jesus, the last Adam, overcame death and abolished it. The years of Adam were 930, the years of the last Adam from His birth to His return in judgment and the fall of Jerusalem* were 70 (930 + 70 = 1,000) and then He subjected all things that He had subjected (hint: that is, everything!) to the Father, and God became All in all.
*People who are waiting for the third temple to be built do not realize that they are the temple of God.
“This mortality must put on immortality.” 1 Corinthians 15:53.
When we do put off these bodies of humiliation we will then fully realize that we are all loved, that we are One race, and that we are One family. Only dead religion will tell you different (and excommunicate you, or threaten you with eternal punishment and/or annihilation) so, for your own sanity, please do not submit to the cruel condemnations of schisms, sects, and cults.
We are in a new heaven and a new earth, the victory of Christ is complete. Like He said with His dying gasps:
“IT ...
“IS ...
“FINISHED.”
Dear clergy, you may think that this should have been shared with you privately. Well, I tried very hard to play nice* but you repeatedly tried to kill and bury “My testimony.” Therefore, by the laws that you invoke, those who are elders are to be rebuked in the presence of all that they preside over. Besides, what Jesus accomplished was, as He said, “not done in a dark place.”
* “They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom for trying to change the system from within.” Leonard Cohen.
My qualifications? I AM sent. However, along with the knowledge of our salvation I was also graciously given a Ph.D.. (Pharisee Deceased). I am also a full-blown Marxist, that is, a Groucho Marxist, and, like him I would not join any club that needed me. No credentials, only Christ; no divisions, only unity in the Spirit; no de-nom-inations, only the Name above all names; no clubs, only the inclusivity of unconditional love for all. By definition, you can’t earn unconditional love - the love that never fails. One Lord, One faith, One baptism.
Again, whether we believe it or not, we are (present continuous tense) saved. It’s not based on ‘your’ faith but on the faith of the sent One, the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Jesus took us all with Him to the cross (we were already dead in Adam) and we were roused spiritually through He Who is “the Resurrection and the Life” by our all powerful and all-loving Father.
If you believe this you are no longer deceived by the lies of he who slandered God, our* Father, in the garden of Eden.
*”our”. Every single human being, every member of humanity that has drawn, is drawing, or ever will draw, breath, or, was formed, or is being formed, or shall be formed, in the womb.
Peace.
ps. Evangelical Christianity (EC) is neither.
pps. Apologies to all, including atheists/agnostics who have been repulsed by EC threats that have been most famously promoted by Signor Dante and the turn-or-burn fire brigade. I once, hesitatingly believed* it myself.
*”believed” is actually too strong a word, I always had a sinking feeling when I heard self-righteousness being preached. It felt very similar to the gut-wrenching fear that I could ‘lose’ my salvation. Be assured, dear reader, you are saved. All glory to our Father, our God and His Christ.
Hope this helps. Peace.
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