That’s pretty cool but if you have clickers you need a different die not a fancy tool. I guess you would need the tool to fix the damaged cases though. Pretty neat!
"Shrinking" and "stretching" are common terms in metal working, especially auto body custom work. Both displace material in order to accomplish a goal. So, where is the material that is being displaced, in this instance brass, going? Adding to the diameter of the case body above the case head? Adding to the overall length of the case? Where?
Here in Brazil we are using almost the same kind of rollsizers in pistol calibers. And I have watched increasing number of busted cases on extractor groove! I believe that rollsizers are increasing the brittleness of the cases, leading to this weird failure.
I don’t have any issues with clickers in my PRCW, but I’m also not hot rodding it and trying to push it 3000fps. 2930fps is fast enough and my brass is doing great.
I thought between his micro sizing die and mandrel die it was supposed to hit the very bottom of the case to stop these clickers. Now you’re saying there is another tool that does this?
You can never fully size the base of the casing, roll sizing gets that 5% of that case back within specifications. Its more for people that pick up range brass that was not fireformed to that particular rifle or pistol.
True on the range brass but all very vital in the rifle competition world. Even with proper firing and chambers, using the Rollsizer lets you use brass much longer as well.
Well another expensive tool for just the elite. However, they are missing the real use of a roll sizer. If the die and drum were to also fit into the extractor groove, then one could resize the primer pocket on those cases that were over stressed by pressure but not otherwise destroyed. The problem is the extractor grooves are not uniform in profile and a set of dies would be required for every brand/caliber. However, the pockets / base area would be hardened and likely never expand again to uselessness. If pockets were over squeezed, then one could use a pocket uniforming tool to fix the undersize.
No but there is very strong anecdotal evidence that the rate of primer pocket stretch is reduced. I routinely get 40+ reloads in hot pistol loads and these don't start seeing loose pockets until after that.
it's when your base expands and stick in the chamber causing a click upon opening your bolt. More obnoxious than anything else and usually causes your rifle to move more than you'd like in your position.
Hi if you look at cortina’s page he is also using rollsizer as he cannot get rid of clickers no matter what he tries to do he also said this on his page
@hbudsmalley6317 no, small base does cannot reach the bottom of the case. They "achieve" a partial sizing by squeezing the crap out of the rest of the case to pull in the base. This leads to pronounced "coke bottle " in the case body as well as a noticeable sharp edge at the base where the Webb meets the case sidewall. Neither is good. The rollsizers remove the base bulge and the normal sizing dies do the rest and they overlap about 1/4" above the extractor groove.
Why go thru all that nonsense. Fireform brass is way more accurate. It’s your breech. Although the rounds prob won’t fit any other rifle the performance you get is worth it
That’s pretty cool but if you have clickers you need a different die not a fancy tool. I guess you would need the tool to fix the damaged cases though. Pretty neat!
"Shrinking" and "stretching" are common terms in metal working, especially auto body custom work. Both displace material in order to accomplish a goal. So, where is the material that is being displaced, in this instance brass, going? Adding to the diameter of the case body above the case head? Adding to the overall length of the case? Where?
Holly smokes. I can buy a lot of new brass for 1200$ and a new die. lol. Pretty cool though
Virgin brass is not conducive to their discipline of shooting.
Love my Rollsizer for pistol - had an out of battery and learned the hard way. Sizing die don’t quite get to the base
Here in Brazil we are using almost the same kind of rollsizers in pistol calibers. And I have watched increasing number of busted cases on extractor groove! I believe that rollsizers are increasing the brittleness of the cases, leading to this weird failure.
Can it be set up for 220 swift? It's a rimmed case with an off sized body.
It's freakin expensive is what it is. I have too many hobbies for this stuff, or anything 419 lol.
Right?
So am I correct that the smallest caliber this will accept is 380ACP???? Not good for me, need it to go down to 25-20, 8.8mm.
What is a clicker?
When you open the bolt, you have to slap it to get it to extract, as the case has stretched and made it too tight for extraction
Thank you. @@Patrick-xd8jv
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I though the Cortina sizing die was supposed to address that by resizing the base/case web?
I don’t have any issues with clickers in my PRCW, but I’m also not hot rodding it and trying to push it 3000fps. 2930fps is fast enough and my brass is doing great.
@@Christopher_Tobiashi how many firings do you have on your brass I got clickers after 4 firings at 2920 fps
@@steyrman2 I’m running Peterson brass. At the same count as you on some of the cases, and no clickers. Over 1200 rounds down my barrel.
Version for belted magnums?
Not a reloader but curious. Wouldnt a full length sizer do the same thing?
No becuase a regular sizing die doesn't go all the way down.
I thought between his micro sizing die and mandrel die it was supposed to hit the very bottom of the case to stop these clickers. Now you’re saying there is another tool that does this?
For only $1200…..
These guys are all complaining about clickers. I have 1200 rounds through my PRCW and have had zero issues with clickers.
Can you use this to “turn” the necks down of a 45-70 to make 8x54r?
I don't think so. It's made for bases but I suppose could email them and ask.
I would love a full review and overview of how to use it
Coming soon!
I will never use reloaded ammo - too many risk variables I don’t want to have to deal with.
Now that’s pretty cool! Effortless and no lube required! More info please 😂
This is the Universal Rollsizer found at Rollsizer.com
Small base sizing die move over. Excellent!
@@10hunterLab Yeah for sure and especially because this will touch the brass in areas a small base can't and this is stupid consistent.
It does a LOT more than just diameter. The biased /lopsided bulge is forced concentric to the rim. This makes a huge difference.
Amazing is right...that the ticket!😊
Why not just use a correctly made sizing die?
You can never fully size the base of the casing, roll sizing gets that 5% of that case back within specifications. Its more for people that pick up range brass that was not fireformed to that particular rifle or pistol.
True on the range brass but all very vital in the rifle competition world. Even with proper firing and chambers, using the Rollsizer lets you use brass much longer as well.
@@FClassJohn how is it done at the factory? is the final sizing die different ?
Brand new brass is as small as that brass will ever be. It is very undersized so to fit in every chamber out there. Or, at least, the majority
Ive shot countless rounds and never needed a roll sizer 😂 i use small base dies though. I shoot the brass until it splits.
Would this mean you have to anneal yhe whole peice of brass now?
Been wanting one of those for a long time... one day
Well another expensive tool for just the elite. However, they are missing the real use of a roll sizer. If the die and drum were to also fit into the extractor groove, then one could resize the primer pocket on those cases that were over stressed by pressure but not otherwise destroyed. The problem is the extractor grooves are not uniform in profile and a set of dies would be required for every brand/caliber. However, the pockets / base area would be hardened and likely never expand again to uselessness. If pockets were over squeezed, then one could use a pocket uniforming tool to fix the undersize.
Will this work with belted magnum cases?
No
Does it tighten the primer pocket?
Takes a lot of squeezing to get that original tightness back...
In talking to the owner, he says it won't tighten primer pockets if I remember correctly.
No but there is very strong anecdotal evidence that the rate of primer pocket stretch is reduced. I routinely get 40+ reloads in hot pistol loads and these don't start seeing loose pockets until after that.
Not with this machine.....
That's kind of a cool tool
that is badass, but man that seems like a lot of work to do after each firing.....needs to be automated!
His standardized case size models are automated but because this is universal it isn't right now.
@@FClassJohn a case feeder and an auto drive are needed. It will only be a short while before someone figures it out.
@@10hunterLab I know he's working on it but it's the ejection of the cases when it's done that is the hangup, the rest is easy(ish).
@FClassJohn BTW, thanks for the review on the Giraud case holder from Brian at 3dprintArizona. Works great!
Just watch for case head sep signs.
What are you meaning by clickers??
it's when your base expands and stick in the chamber causing a click upon opening your bolt. More obnoxious than anything else and usually causes your rifle to move more than you'd like in your position.
Why do you need to make the case smaller doesn’t a body die do the same ?
No, a body die still stops at approximately the .200 line, this goes all the way down.
You’re weakening your brass based on what? You’re does ok?
Erik Cortina's Expanding mandrel dies does the same and a lot cheaper.
Hi if you look at cortina’s page he is also using rollsizer as he cannot get rid of clickers no matter what he tries to do he also said this on his page
Whats a clicker?
The sound when the bolt let's go on extraction
Like when you lift the bolt handle and at the top, when it cams, it clicks. Partly stuck case
Basically a bulged case causing it to stick in the chamber
Won't a small base die do the same thing
@hbudsmalley6317 no, small base does cannot reach the bottom of the case. They "achieve" a partial sizing by squeezing the crap out of the rest of the case to pull in the base. This leads to pronounced "coke bottle " in the case body as well as a noticeable sharp edge at the base where the Webb meets the case sidewall. Neither is good.
The rollsizers remove the base bulge and the normal sizing dies do the rest and they overlap about 1/4" above the extractor groove.
Why go thru all that nonsense. Fireform brass is way more accurate. It’s your breech. Although the rounds prob won’t fit any other rifle the performance you get is worth it
No, I've got enough stuff😅😅😅
Why not just use the EC die that you rant and raved about because you still have to bump the shoulders now you just added another step
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Wtf!!
That is a beautiful machine.😮🥹.I wish I could afford one ..😮💨