Unfortunate....because space fishtank is awesome, and troi in uniform is boring - and you can blame the writers for the latter, I would rather have had a well-written, realistic xeno-psychologist character on the show, someone who was shown doing real research....anyways, it's pretty obvious the producers got the guinan/troi character switched somehow, and it's absurd - like the bartender should CLEARLY be the sexy one always getting into some drama, whereas the counselor should actually COUNSEL ie. give good personal advice and wring the truth out of people who are in denial and don't want to admit certain things. Troi spends most of her screen time literally stating the obvious - putting her in a proper uniform doesn't address this core issue
My favorite story from Scotty (James Doohan) is when he was contacted by a fan who wanted to kill herself. Doohan wrote back to her to visit him at a Star Trek convention. James Doohan invited her to other conventions and talked nothing but nice things to her. After many other conventions he lost touch with her. Eight years later she wrote back to him to thank him for his friendship and how she just finished her Masters degree in engineering.
The whole cast has numerous stories like that, just not all as dramatic. Quite amazing that a bunch of grinding character actors who joined up for a paycheck wound up with lifelong careers that changed not only people's lives but history itself and may have done more good than anything they'd have accomplished had they been engineers or doctors themselves. That has to be the strangest feeling.
I remember going to a convention in Tulsa, Ok. Not quite sure what year he passed away . But I think it was shortly before.. but I sadly couldn't afford an autograph. So I just watched as others were getting things signed. And this couple came up with a child who as far as I could tell, as I was a bit away, had downs syndrome was my guess. But I was just watching him interact with this kid. And that kid, more a toddler, just lit up at the attention. That interaction always stuck with me that James Doohan was the kind soul I've always heard of.
Huge shoutout for David Warner as Gul Madred, Picard's Cardassian torturer in Chain of Command. He was also the Klingon High Chancellor Gorkon who got assassinated in Star Trek 6, the Terran envoy on Nimus III in Star Trek 5, and Ed Dillinger in Tron. Always an intense and brilliant actor, he passed two years ago last week, may he rest in peace.
I wholeheartedly agree. He was a terrific character actor with a great career. The way he and Patrick Stewart played their scenes is like a masterclass in acting. R.I.P. David Warner. 😢
And he was reading his lines off of CUE CARDS. He had to come in on three days notice and couldn't memorize his lines. He delivered that performance reading off of cue cards. That's next level.
He also played Jack The Ripper in Time After Time, Evil in Time Bandits, and Amos Hackshaw in Cast A Deadly spell, among probably a couple hundred other things.
Indeed. Two other favorites of mine..... "Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most.....human." And........ "It's a faaaaaaaaaaake!"
Always found it funny how Troi points out a problem and Jellico says, "Okay, why don't you work on that?" I have a boss who if you make a suggestion he likes, you also just volunteered to be in charge of that.
Yeah well, most bosses (ESPECIALLY military CO's) don't like doing actual work, so it's no surprise that an arrogant jackass like Jellico would essentially just make demands and delegate all day. As troi observes at one point, he doesn't actually have a plan - he's flying by the seat of his pants trying to outmaneuver the cardassians, and if that fails, just try and bluff them.
It's worth noting that despite the on-screen animosity, Ronny Cox, the actor that plays Captain Jellico, was well beloved while he was on set. And all of the seemingly harsh "demands" he made, like demanding Troi wear a standard uniform, were requests that those actors themselves had made throughout the years on set. He was simply being the voice of the cast that the producers were ignoring.
Jellico reminds me a lot of Commander Shelby from earlier in the series: both were somewhat antagonistic roles without being villains, and to be blunt both were actually more right than the regular crew in the situations they were in.
Okay, but that's a line in the script. As nice a guy as Ronny Cox is, it's really a writer or writers who sided with Marina Sirtis to get her her uniform against the inertia of the producers.* * some of the producers are writers, too... it's... complicated.
@@johnathanmichaud867 Yes, and when they allowed to her be more than just Guinan's inferior substitute advisor to Picard. My fave Troi ep is probably the one where she has to pretend to be a Tal Shiar operative aboard a Warbird. While she was kidnapped at the start of the ep (so the whole thing was not really her idea of a good adventure), everything that happens after that is pretty badass.
When I first saw this episode over 30 years ago and Data pulled out that bottle, I screamed "IT'S GREEN!!" before Scotty had a chance to ask "What is it?". I had tears of joy running down my face when they recreated that scene from "By Any Other Name"
In Star Trek: The Original Series, Episode: By Any Other Name, Scotty is trying to get an alien drunk. He gets a bottle and the alien asks what it is. Scotty, quite drunk already, looks at the bottle, opens it and looks in it and sniffs it. He then says, "It's green." Data unknowingly does the same thing in Relics when Scotty asks what the drink is. James Doohan lost a finger on D-Day at Juno Beach. They did a great job of hiding it in TOS and this episode.
You could actually see James Doohan's missing finger during the holodeck scene. One instance occurred when he handed the empty glass to Picard on the holodeck.
"I'm not a true Trekkie... I haven't seen every episode." Hey, a lot of us became Trekkies after seeing just one episode. You qualify as much as anyone.
@@LiberPater777 Oh, okay, if that's your criteria, I guess *_none_* of us (yourself included) are Trekkies since none of us have an official degree in Star Trek. 🙄
@j.rileyindependentproductions Zefram Cochrane most definitely built the floor that the rest of them would find their steps on, if we're keeping with the metaphor. Edit: On second thought, scratch that, yours works too.
Captain Jellico is one of the most divisive figures in ST history. Captain Picard is mostly explorer while Captain Jellico is mostly military and for the job at hand that’s what was needed. I think he was a darn good Captain.
Edward Jellico is an interesting character. The first major contrast is despite him being the military guy, he's the one who decorates the Ready Room with his kids paintings whereas Jean-Luc tends to have a panic attack around children. Picard refers to his officers by their surnames even six years into service together while Jellico goes first name basis on day one. I feel like Jellico would be a much more likeable Captain if he wasn't dropped onto the Enterprise in the middle of this crisis, to say nothing of Picard just being plucked away while keep the senior staff in the dark.
yeah Riker was pretty much a punk the entire time. He did not keep to chain of command and was subtely belligerent the entire time. He acted like a spoiled brat.
An actor's job is to convince the audience to suspend disbelief, to forget they're watching a play, and when Geordi mouthed off to Scotty LeVar Burton did just that. I yelled at my TV, "You arrogant punk! Who the hell do you think you are, you...fictional character."
I met James Doohan in 1987. He was making a family comedy which was being filmed at Royal Roads Military College (now Royal Roads University) in Victoria. I was hired as an extra. He was super nice and took the time to talk with all of us. The project was cancelled after a couple of weeks. Earlier in the year I was an extra on an episode of the TV Series Stingray. The episode was titled Night Manoeuvres.
Every one of those stories Scotty tells is an episode. “Wolf in the Fold”, “Elaan of Troyius”, “The Naked Time”, and “By Any Other Name.” Oh, and “Galaxy’s Child” is the one Geordi mentioned.
They often do this. They get a guy who's been displaced from his home and they shove him into these drab quarters alone. There's at least two characters that committed suicide this way - Admiral Jarok and that lad Worf and his adoptive brother accidently let off the holodeck. For a universe that's supposed to be about well being and all the rest of it, they can be cold.
@@RockBrentwood To your point, it is at the core of Scotty's character to request all of that material for study. Any down time he gets he studies engineering manuals.
@@RockBrentwood As someone else pointed out, it is out of character for Scotty to ignore that. I mean he read technical manuals for relaxation. Think it was Trouble with Tribbles or something where Kirk had to order him to take shoreleave instead of reading. So all of this was done for drama's sake. Just to give a little arc for the characters to go on.
@@RockBrentwood To be fair, it hasn't been 70 years for him. He went in, came out, for him seconds pass, and 70 years for everyone. It'll take some time for him to adjust, and for him, as one of the greatest Engineering Miracle workers ever, would be jarring. But yes, Geordi should have been a bit less blunt, a bit more understanding. And also, you drop Scotty on an Excelsior or Miranda Class, both still in Service, and he'd probably still know most of the systems there. And there was a scene with him talking to Deanna about the change, counselling him, but it was cut for time. This is why he hugs her on the way out.
Scotty: Shunt the deuterium from the main cryo-pump to the auxiliary tank Geordi: Er, the tank can't withstand that kind of pressure Scotty: [laughs] Where'd you... where'd you get that idea? Geordi: What do you mean, where did I get that idea? It's in the impulse engine specifications Scotty: Regulation 42/15 - Pressure Variances on the IRC Tank Storage? Geordi: Yeah Scotty: Forget it. I wrote it I will *love* that exchange until the day I die
The struggle over how many lights Picard saw is a direct reference to Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, in which a man under torture is told to say - and to believe - that four fingers are really three. The issue there, as here, is control and submission.
Well according to production notes on Chain of Command, Part 2, the interrogation tactic actually originated from reports the writers received from Amnesty International about torture tactics. It was only in the writing process that the writers say they remembered the parallel between Nineteen Eighty-Four and reality. The reality is probably that this passage from the novel was based on George Orwell's experience as a member of the Colonial Police in British India, or of his knowledge of Nazi and Soviet torture tactics from career in intelligence services.
I didn't knew it was so direct reference to 1984. I dunno if I would say I like 1984, but it is extremely well written and a must read. So crazy. 2+2=5. There are 5 lights, finding out your biggest fear to use against you. Big Brother is always right. Changing facts to fit the current narrative.
'How many fingers, Winston?' 'Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!' 'How many fingers, Winston?' 'Five! Five! Five!' 'No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?' 'Four! five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!' Abruptly he was sitting up with O'Brien's arm round his shoulders. He had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O'Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O'Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O'Brien who would save him from it. 'You are a slow learner, Winston,' said O'Brien gently. 'How can I help it?' he blubbered. 'How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.' 'Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.' He laid Winston down on the bed. The grip of his limbs tightened again, but the pain had ebbed away and the trembling had stopped, leaving him merely weak and cold. O'Brien motioned with his head to the man in the white coat, who had stood immobile throughout the proceedings. The man in the white coat bent down and looked closely into Winston's eyes, felt his pulse, laid an ear against his chest, tapped here and there, then he nodded to O'Brien. 'Again,' said O'Brien. The pain flowed into Winston's body. The needle must be at seventy, seventy-five. He had shut his eyes this time. He knew that the fingers were still there, and still four. All that mattered was somehow to stay alive until the spasm was over. He had ceased to notice whether he was crying out or not. The pain lessened again. He opened his eyes. O'Brien had drawn back the lever. 'How many fingers, Winston?' 'Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.' _--(excerpt from the novel '1984' by George Orwell)_
Unfortunately the writers also had to alter a character to fit the story. They did it with Geordi in Relics, and they did it with Riker in Chains of Command. Story is competent, but it a bit sad we have to ignore the fact these characters are well experienced professionals.
Patrick worked with Amnesty International to research his part in "Chain of Command" so that he could accurately portray the how torture impacts its victims. He became a champion for them afterwards. Ronny Cox (Jellico) is also a composer of folk music, and he tours and records. I met him at one of his concerts, good guy. His song "Portales" is a hoot.
This episode is one of the few in TNG that really shows what the "chain of command" is like in the real world military. It doesn't matter if you think your superior isn't being compassionate, too mean, abrasive, insensitive, rude, whatever. It's a military vessel, not a cruise ship. You don't always agree with people that outrank you, a lot of the time you might not even like them as a person. But you are expected to follow orders and complete the mission to the best of your ability anyway. Some commanders put up the "just get it done" front out of a dislike of appearing weak to their subordinates, some are just like that cause it's what they knew from their superiors when they were climbing the ranks. The good leaders I've worked with knew when to cut back on it and accept input from anyone in a 1-on-1 setting, via an open-door policy. The best ones did the former, AND would make the effort to explain why they did things a certain way when there was downtime. I've had supervisors like Jellico before, and they bring out the best in some people, they're also the ones most likely (in my opinion) to go to bat for their people with THEIR superiors behind closed doors, identifying "diamonds in the rough" and giving them an environment where they can cultivate their talents.
Fun little fact: the scene where Troi is asked to wear a regulation uniform is actually done at the behest of Marina Sirtis. She was not particularly fond of the wardrobe options for Deanna's character and had not been for some time, especially given her character was the only one that wore such things, and the reason for that was exactly what you would think it was. For this episode the writers collaborated with her to give Troi a reason to wear a regular uniform which she'd continue on with for the remainder of the series.
For reference, some of the changes that Jellico made (removing the fish from the Ready Room, telling Troi to wear a standard uniform) were ACTUALLY things requested by Patrick Stewart and Marina Sirtis during the previous seasons.
Cassie's reaction to seeing Scotty was everything I hoped for, thanks to the Patrons for picking Relics, it's been on my mind ever since she started TNG, and she was always so happy to see Scotty on the Star Trek Movies. Also just love the moment the ship does that 90 degree turn to fly out of the Dyson Sphere :D
@@shallowgal462 Well it is a different Enterprise in a very different century. Perhaps Starfleet technology has evolved or as the Borg would say "adapted" to better service mankind in this day in age.
@@shallowgal462 That's easy to explain, barely an inconvenience. The whoseywhatsists-thingamajig was engaged to synchronize the beaming with the micro-second when the Jenolan's shields would no longer be in the way.
I met James Doohan at a Star Trek convention back in the 90’s, I believe. He was a really sweet man. In all my moving, I lost the picture I had taken with him, and it’s still something I think about today.
I have to say that, when i was younger, i didn't liked Jellico very much. Simply because he made my favourite characters unconfortable. But the older i got, the more i have to say, that he was right to make the crew more fit for their roles. Yes, mistakes were made on both sides. By Jellico, simply because he forgot, that the Enterprise is not really a military ship and by Riker, because he failed to adapt to this new Captain and command style. We also shouldn't forget, that the Federation was on the edge of a possible new war with the Cardassians. And the Enterprise as the Flagship of the Federation wasn't really prepared for a possible war.
I have watched so many of your videos in the past year, and while they all have entertained me, I just wanted to say you are one of the kindest, most genuine people I have ever come across. Always stay just the way you are!
To share a memory. I was a teen and my mom took me to my first convention in the suburbs of chicago. As we were walking around we came upon a small bar setup near the convention hall. Standing there helping set up for a fan meet up was James doohan "scotty" himself. He saw me stopped what he was doing introduced himself to my mom and me talked to me one on one for around 30 mins, signed about 10 autographs for me. He was an amazing person, with a heart of gold.
Ronny Cox was the perfect casting choice. In the 80's and 90's he was known for playing Villains in science fiction. Usually a slimy scumbag in a fancy suit. He had done this in Robocop, Total recall, and later Stargate SG-1. People crap on Jellico, he's put there specifically so the audience will hate him. But he's not there to win most popular captain. He's pushing them because they may be in a shooting war in the next few days and they need to be ready and it's his job to get them ready. And he accomplishes his mission. He prevents the war and rescues Picard. Job well done!
This episode has my favorite cameo and one of my favorite Star Trek quotes ever. "Aye, it's like the first time you fall in love. You don't ever love a woman, quite like that again..."
James Doohan was one of the toughest people alive.That guy was a war hero who literally landed in Normandy and had his finger shot off by machine gun fire...that man was a damn hero
The Cardassian villian leader was played by the Great David Warner who passed away not too long ago and who you should recognize his voice as Chancellor Korkon in Star Trek 6. Phenomenal actor and to see him and Patrick Stuart, both Shakespearean trained actors was a real treat.
I have read that Marina Sirtis had asked to be allowed to wear a regular uniform and this was a clever way of achieving that. She objected to being singled out as it signalled to the audience that her role was primarily as eye candy.
Dyson vacuums are named after the inventor and owner of the company, James Dyson. No relation or connected to famed physicist Freeman Dyson, who worked on the Manhattan Project, and wrote a paper postulating what became known as a Dyson Sphere in 1960. The idea was eventually used in quite a few science fiction stories, along with off-shoots of the idea, such as Larry Niven's use of a Ringworld. Dyson came up with all sorts of amazing theories and concepts and was one of the greatest physicists of the 20th century. He died only in 2020. His ideas included a "Dyson tree" that could live in a comet and provide living space for humans, and "Dyson's eternal intelligence," which would allow escape from the heat death of the universe. And so on.
And neither of them are related to Miles Dyson, whose pioneering work in AI can only ensure a bright future for all of humanity, free from petty concerns such as killer robots.
The interesting thing about the Dyson Sphere is the paradox of it; any society with the technology and resources to build one would have no need of it.
Dyson also worked on Project Orion in the 1960s. The original Project Orion (no relation to today's Orion capsule project) used nuclear bombs as propellant for long range interplanetary craft. In testing with conventional explosives, the test craft actually flew. Unfortunately, the Air Force was exploiting the program to build what was essentially a nuclear powered battleship. President Kennedy, fearful of the implications of the classified aspects of the program, canceled the project. In the non classified aspects of the project, missions were contemplated to Saturn's lunar system with arrival in the late 1960s.
I went to STLV back in 2021 right after the pandemic. It was the first “trek” convention to happen since the shut downs and they had a replica of the bridge. I went back to that bridge multiple times because after the things I’d lost during that year it was like seeing an old friend you never thought you’d see again. I know exactly how Scotty feels seeing her again. Jimmy did a fantastic job in this episode
You think tears came to YOUR eyes? I MET James Doohan, years before this, at an autograph signing. As warm and genial as you could ever hope for, and THEN some. RIP, Jimmy, you're missed and still beloved....😢😢😢
One of the "best" StarTrek series was "Deep Space 9" -- which is where this story line came from. DS9 was one of the best series from start to end. A must watch for anyone that really likes deep stories and over arching themes.
One thing for sure, you will certainly learn all there is to know about Cardassians. :) And for those that don't want to spend 7 seasons, they don't fare well in the end at the end of the Dominion war. Spoiler alert.
scotty said the perfect sentence "Every Woman has her own Charms you just have to know where to look for them" and for you "Popcorn in Bed" they are obvious: you have a heart of gold, a humorous personality, a cute smile, you are kind, friendly and you try to be positive towards everyone.
Funny enough, it was Marina Sirtis herself who requested she wear an actual uniform instead of that getup she was wearing the prior seasons, and it honestly was one of the greatest decisions made. She looks great in full uniform and like she's ready to command. Also, Jellico may have been brash and not Picard, but he was the PERFECT OFFICER for the job at hand. He wasn't there for the exploration side, he was there to either be ready or prevent a war from breaking out. And if war was coming, he was the most experienced there to deal with the Cardassians.
I have always thought the same about Jellico. There was this moment, the first time I watched the episode (many years ago now) where I realized I was supposed to not like him for crossing our beloved characters at a 90 degree angle... but it was clear to me that he was on a mission, and the actor (Ronny Cox) pulled that sense off perfectly. As you said, he was the right man for the job -- a hardass for a situation that couldn't wait for personal relationship-building. If anything, I was disappointed in our beloved characters for not being better professionals.
Marina Sirtis really had a love-hate relationship with her costuming over the first half of the series. On the one hand, she was happy when they stopped showing off her cleavage by putting her in uniform, and she commented about "getting her brains back." But earlier she was kind of giddy over becoming a sex symbol due to insecurities she had as a child.
@@Ambaryerno I'm baffled by this supposed sexualisation of Marina Sirtis in the early seasons. The amount of cleavage on display was so minimal that my teenage brain didn't even register it. Baywatch was around the same time, and the showrunners expected our eye's to pop out because they put Marina in a V-neck?
The only bad part about skipping episodes is you missed the ENTIRE story of Ensign Ro Laren and the Bajorans and Cardassians, which pretty much sets up the entire backstory of Deep Space Nine, the best Trek series.
@@TroyConvers5000Some might argue Voyager is what led Ron Moore to BSG. After DS9 ended, Moore took a job writing on Voyager. He only lasted a few months before leaving. While he didn’t bad mouth the show while it was still on the air, he admitted after that after writing on DS9 he couldn’t stand how much Voyager forced its writers to always play everything safe. There was an interview he gave where he went at great length about it. Most notably, how he would have liked to have written Voyager if there were no restrictions. One of the higher ups at NBC/Universal happened to read it and thought his description for a “grittier Voyager” might be a perfect fit for the possible Battlestar remake they were hoping to get off the ground. The rest as they say, is history.
@@TroyConvers5000 that makes sense. Wasn’t trying to undercut you. Just love the story about BSG being very much a gritty hardcore version of the Voyager premise(a ship having to make their way alone through hostile space with limited resources and differing factions having to co-operate for survival). Obviously they aren’t the exact same(no aliens or viewscreens, and a much more grounded type of tech), but all the things Moore wanted to do apply to what they did do on BSG.
James "Scotty" Doohan ,was a lieutenant in the Canadian army in WWII during the D-Day landings, you can occasionally see (in TOS and the movies) that he is missing a finger on one of his hands that was shot off in the war, I also remember hearing a story about him flying a fighter plane between telephone poles during the war because someone said it couldn't be done, and even though he wasn't in the RAF he gave it a try, but that could just be a story he told.
By the way, the ensign at the Helm is Mae Carol Jemison, the first Black woman in space. The first of many cameos by famous astronauts and the cast treated them like visiting royalty.
And Patrick Stewart wanted to get rid of the fish. He didn't think it was very enlightened to keep an animal like this captured in that small fish bowl.
True, but in-story I can still blame Jellico, the crusty old prude. Sometimes, I think of what Jellico took from us have to go back and watch the ending of "Robocop".
I'm absolutely on Jellico's side. He didn't have time to be comfortable with the crew. Also Troi wears a uniform from this point forward because Marina Sirtis requested to wear one. This episode was a good opportunity to make the change.
I was with Jellico on not risking the negotiations to get Picard, but his insistence on changing the whole shift structure of the ship right as they began a sensitive mission was stupid and controlling and petty. Riker's right: he inspired no one and sucked the joy out of the room. He knows the Cardassians very well and he's a great tactician, but he's not a great captain.
@@dupersuper1938 What's the point of appointing heads of sections if when they tell you something you completely ignore everything they say to you? It's one thing if he tried to compromise with any of them about anything but all he did was double down on my way or the highway. Sometimes he was even indicative about it. The story was written in such a way to make him right but likely with his attitude problem he would have overlooked half the stuff he noticed in the show.
I think you know this already, but you'll be a pretty big little celebrity yourself at a convention. The openness and respect to which you've approached this IP, and the genuine enjoyment and love you've found for TOS and TNG has been sweet to experience with you and validating for thousands of Star Trek fans. Watching someone get past the negative stereotypes of both the show and the fans to develop a genuine appreciation and connection with a franchise centered around human optimism is remarkably engaging. You are the everyman/everywoman that is the Star Trek fan and you've brought a smile to all of us (tearing up when Scotty shows up? Perfectly natural!). I hope you go to the convention and I hope you take the attention, admiration, and applause with grace because you indeed deserve it. Thanks for sharing this with all of us.
The late David Warner, here torturing Captain Picard, played the Terran ambassador on the Planet of Galactic Peace in _Star Trek V_ and the Klingon Chancellor Gorkon in _Star Trek VI._ He was also Jack the Ripper in the time-travel drama _Time After Time,_ also starring Mary Steenbergen from _Back to the Future III_ and Malcolm McDowell _(Star Trek Generations, Caligula, A Clockwork Orange),_ and was written by Nicholas Meyer, the director of _Star Trek II_ and _Star Trek VI._
He was also Cal's security guy Lovejoy in the 1997 _Titanic,_ Bob Cratchit in the 1984 _A Christmas Carol,_ and Dillinger/Sark/MCP in the 1982 (original) _Tron._
Only 3 more for season6? Uh oh. There will be many great episodes missed. Tapestry better be on the list as it was one of the best episodes of any show, Star Trek or not.
Your reaction to seeing Scotty materialise was about the same as mine when I saw it back when it first aired. The characters really have a way of working their way into your heart.
As per John Johns, so far the only episode I think you need to watch (not just enjoy watching) is "Brothers", because it leads into not only the first film but also the season 6 finale.
Watching it with you is like watching it for the first time. Thank you for your sincere Fandom. "That's no moon..." and the ball in the vacuum. Laughed out loud, for real. ❤
Cassie, you should probably go to the Con, if only to get a feel for the fan experience, but, if you get the chance, you should also consider traveling to Ticonderoga, New York, a gentleman there has recreated, in exact detail, the entire filming sets from the original show, bridge, sickbay, corridors, the whole shebang, it's open to the public, but on special occasions Shatner shows up there for interactions with fans, on his bridge, think you'd enjoy that
The problem isn't what he was saying it's where he was trying to say it. If Scotty wants to talk someone's ear off he could and should have done it when Geordi was off duty or to someone in Ten Forward. If your showing up to a person's place of work during the hours they are working you aren't in the right place to be chit-chatting.
@@parker469ahe was also 75 years behind the tech, brilliant as he is that is still a massive gap and not easy to understand, thats like moving alan turing forward to work on even the 1980's computers let alone the ones we have now. Or James watt to work on a diesel engine, or isambard brunel to build a bridge with modern materials. If i have a problem with the old well pump in my garden i can call my father or grandfather, when i have a problem with my heatpump i need to call a specialist
Time and a place. Older people have nothing better to do so they want to share stories and connect with people, especially as they lose friends and family to time, younger people have things to do. Work to get done, a life to build. They don't want to hear about the things you did, they want to do those things them selves.
The scene of Scotty on the old Enterprise bridge was both nostalgic and sad. In his mind all his friends are dead and gone, though Spock is still alive but Scotty doesn't know that.
the "new" captain of the enterprise knows that picard is on a secret mission starfleet only didnt knew that the carrdassians set the whole thing up to capture picard to get secret information about starfleet. so he really isnt the bad guy at all.
"Relics" is such a fun episodes, especially for TOS fans. Unfortunately, there are a few references you'll have missed by not having watched all of the TOS episodes.
I think everyone cheered when the Captain called her out on it. She really was hard to take seriously as an "officer" who constantly wore civilian clothes.
@italianviking80 This may be an extremely opinion, (and there's no may be about it. It definitely will be), but I never liked her character. I always found her annoying.
@@raybarry4307 I can't disagree. For a long time, it seemed the character's only role on the bridge was to sit next to the captain, "sense" things, and state the obvious. However, I believe her character began to develop significantly once she got her space suit.
It was actually Marina Sirtis who wanted to wear a uniform. She didn't think it made sense for her to be the only officer not in uniform. This episode gave the writers an opportunity to make the switch.
I think Captain Jellico is extremely misunderstood. He was brought in specifically because he knew how to play the Cardassians and needed to turn the Enterprise from an exploratory/diplomacy ship to a possible warship in breakneck time. I actually find this episode makes Riker and most of the rest of the crew look like brats who are made their cool dad left are objecting to their new stricter step-dad. Jellico genuinely doesn't have time for a soft landing with them. Riker is the first officer and shouldn't just be delaying orders on shift changes just because it's different or going to be hard to adjust to. Jellico didn't ask him to do anything unethical there. Also... Troi is a bridge officer and a lieutenant commander... she should put on a goddamn uniform just like everyone else, haha. At the end of the day, he just has a different way of doing things. And you know what? Everything he did ended up being right and he got the job done. AND he got them give Picard back to boot. He's a good captain, just in a different way.
@@andrewblanchard2398 Dude, we've been "living in '1984'" since 1945. The book was a commentary on the ongoing "Cold War" and more generally how governments use the "perception of other," even among nations with no direct conflict of interest, to further their own self-interest and self-indulgence; and how those who govern are the main oppressors of their own citizens.
@@andrewblanchard2398 You mean the opposite? The 'news' is telling us to not believe what we can see with our own eyes to be true. That's pure 1984. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but you're one of the people who fell victim to the brainwashing. The good news is, it's not too late to wake up, many people do it every day.
23:18 Fun fact, Deanna switching to a standard uniform and the removal of the fish tank from Picard's ready room was because there had been discussions about making changes. Patrick Stewart actually never liked the idea of a fish tank on set. So they actually came up with an written reason in the show to have them removed. Same with Deanna being ordered to switch uniforms. Marina Sirtis had asked and always wanted to wear the uniform just like the other cast members. In the past, she preferred civilian attire so that the crew could open up to her more often as ship's counselor. So Jellico ordering her into one was the story subplot that contributed to the change. Deanna is now seen in uniform more often for the rest of the series because the writers began to focus more seriously on her character.
For someone who did not grow up watching Star Trek you have become really emotionally involved with the characters and you understand the lore and the plots on more than just a superficial level. You are probably my second favorite reactor for Trek stuff on TH-cam. Great job in other stuff too.
Cassie! Behind the scenes Martina was actually questioning why she was the only crewmember that was not wearing a uniform. They used this opportunity to write it into the script.
Captain Edward Jellico is one of my favorites, mainly because I’m a fan of actor/singer/musician Ronny Cox, that loves to play a great villain and explore roles that are so opposite of how he is in reality. Other than Picard, and Riker, Jellico was the only other Captain to make an Enterprise D Captain’s log entry, I believe. This situation called for a stern Captain with experience dealing with Cardassian wolves, and he certainly was that. He’s like Admiral Nacheyev, no BS, straight to the point, hard core officers for hard core situations. I like her too. I also loved David Warner as Gul Madred. He made a great Cardassian villain. Fun fact: Will would not have been able to go over Jellico’s head. Jellico had Admiral Nacheyev’s full confidence, and she’s who Will would have to go to as Star Fleet Commander over the UFP/Cardassian Union border defense, as well as being Picard and Jellico’s direct superior, and she had Star Fleet Command’s full confidence. Both she and Jellico would take great offense and Will’s career would probably have been over. Going over Nacheyev’s head would definitely have been a career ender, since she wasn’t fond of Will anyway. Besides, Will hated it when Commander Shelby went over his head to Picard in Best of Both Worlds.
Capt. Jellico making Troi wear the proper uniform was something that was needed. She is an Officer aboard the Enterprise, a Lt -CMD . She was out of uniform. Now when she is in her office, that is another story and she can wear the other outfits. Dr Crusher wears her uniform, and lets face it, Troi is a Dr too, therapist / psychiatrist requires her to have a doctorates. After her wearing the uniform, she looks more professional.
SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT, CASSIE DO NOT READ After Sirtis got a real uniform, Troi was written more intelligently, and taken seriously. Marina's favorite story is how, in a later episode, Troi is explaining/lecturing about how Romulan warp cores differ from Starfleet cores. Who is she lecturing? Geordi and Data, the two best engineers on the Enterprise.
The idea is that the Ship's Counselor dresses in casual clothes to be more approachable, instead of the general rigidity of the uniform. Migleemo does the same on the Cerritos. Considering the incredible variety of Starfleet uniforms I don't see her dresses as a big deal. It's more disturbing that the writers couldn't write her effectively until she was put in the uniform.
Relics is one of my favorite episodes of TNG. Seeing Scotty again after so long brought tears to my eyes. He is such an awesome character and James Doohan gave him such a wonderful personality.
The thing with Jellico is, he's not a villain. He's a man doing a job, and doing it pretty well. His command style is different from Picard's, but that only makes him an antagonist, not a villain. His goals are the same as Riker's, he's just not going about it the way Riker wants him to. I actually rather like him. He's efficient, decisive and in charge.
Very true. If this was a traditional change of command then Jellico would have been accepted more. But because it was out of the blue, and under high stress conditions it helped create friction.
The problem is he DOESN'T do it well. If the actions of the Captain threaten to undermine the ship's morale he's failing as commander on a fundamental level, ESPECIALLY when that ship is in such a potentially dangerous situation as this episode puts Enterprise in. Riker's not innocent in their sour relationship, but his analysis is also spot-on. He wants things done his way, now, and he refuses to listen to the department heads who actually know their ship and crew. That's NOT the mark of a good commanding officer.
I didn't mind Jellico at all,as a former military vet ( Navy and Army ) when a new CO takes command he/she always changes things to fit their style or way of doing things,usually takes a while for the old troops to adjust to another way of doing things.And I'll say this about Riker not acting like a commander/officer/XO,he was acting like a little snotty teenager. LOL. He needed to be relieved of duty. I once had a Petty Officer in my unit tell me what he thought of me as a sailor ( it was my first duty station and it wasn't nice what he said either-LOL ) so i told him what i thought of him as a petty officer ( what i said wasn't nice either-LOL ) and when he'd have me do a detail I'd screw it up on purpose. LOL. He stopped asking. I'm so glad I'm no longer in the military,being a civilian is wonderful. LOL.
I get the feeling Riker would have jumped at the opportunity to fly the shuttle during the mine laying mission as soon as it was proposed if Picard was still captain. It's his hostility towards the new Captain and command style that keeps him from seeing that Jelico is probably right in what he's doing.
Jelico is not a likeable Captain.... but, Picard is the Captain you want when you go on an exploration mission. Picard is a jack of all trades. . Jelico is the Captain you want when you're going to WAR. He's a soldier... He's not likable but he's the one that "Gets it done" when you go into battle.
A true Trekkie/Trekker is simply someone that loves it. I won’t agree when someone says the new stuff is the best, but I’ll still welcome them to the club and suggest they watch the original stuff.
I was having a rough day… Then I saw you tear up with Scotty and you were so happy… It lightened my mood and made me feel better. Thank you for that 🙏🏻
I'm really glad you've enjoyed this season. I hope you start 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' next! The first season of 'Star Trek: DS9' began while season six of 'The Next Generation' was halfway through production. Seasons six of 'The Next Generation' was also the last time Chief O'Brien was a series regular, because he transferred to Deep Space Nine in universe, and became a cast member of that show.
They used Jelico as an easy way to make changes they wanted to make for a long time. For instance, Marina Sirtis long wanted to wear a regular uniform, so they just had Jelico order her to dress more formally.
The more I see this episode, the more I can relate to Scotty in it. After doing what I do for a living for 3 decades, nearly everything that happens around me has happened before, and there’s a story behind it. And I’m onboard with the Synthahol, give me the real thing. After living this long, piss off, I’ve earned it. Damn allergies get me at the end of it, that’s it, yea, allergies. Chain of Command, PEAK TNG and Picard. Most of the time when I watch the news I find myself wanting to scream THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!
The fact that you teared up when you saw Scotty, warmed my heart. I knew you would love this episode.
Remember back in the day the biggest spoilers come out with the next week's episode previews.
That's a REAL Trekie.
"Poor Picard! He's been through so much!"
Hey cassie, let me tell you the legend about the man named O'Brien.
You mean the most important person in the history of Starfleet?
That's RIGHT! O'Brien is my HERO!!
@@antonbrakhage490 There should have been a whole DS9 flashback episode of O' Brien's experiences as a fighting man against the Cardassians.
@@Klos1neMN "Cardies", if you will.
@@SiahRainmaker Or spoonheads if you are into ethnic slurs.
“That’s no moon . . . “ Props to Cassie for working in a Star Wars reference in a TNG episode. 😉
And, "It's a trap!"
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
Also for the "I thought it was 'space-made'" 11:25 😏
It’s my immediate thought whenever I see the Dyson Sphere in that episode.
Fun Fact: Jelico's changes to the ship (Troi in uniform, and getting rid of the fishtank, were actually requests by the cast)
Unfortunate....because space fishtank is awesome, and troi in uniform is boring - and you can blame the writers for the latter, I would rather have had a well-written, realistic xeno-psychologist character on the show, someone who was shown doing real research....anyways, it's pretty obvious the producers got the guinan/troi character switched somehow, and it's absurd - like the bartender should CLEARLY be the sexy one always getting into some drama, whereas the counselor should actually COUNSEL ie. give good personal advice and wring the truth out of people who are in denial and don't want to admit certain things. Troi spends most of her screen time literally stating the obvious - putting her in a proper uniform doesn't address this core issue
@@Quoxozist That switch would make a lot of sense. you make some good points.
My favorite story from Scotty (James Doohan) is when he was contacted by a fan who wanted to kill herself. Doohan wrote back to her to visit him at a Star Trek convention. James Doohan invited her to other conventions and talked nothing but nice things to her. After many other conventions he lost touch with her. Eight years later she wrote back to him to thank him for his friendship and how she just finished her Masters degree in engineering.
James Doohan was also a real-life war hero during WWII. He had part of his hand blown off!
@@Richard_Ashton And even with that he still expressed that helping that one fan was the best thing he ever did in his life.
@@Richard_Ashtonhe lost the middle finger on his right hand. He constantly kept it hidden.
The whole cast has numerous stories like that, just not all as dramatic. Quite amazing that a bunch of grinding character actors who joined up for a paycheck wound up with lifelong careers that changed not only people's lives but history itself and may have done more good than anything they'd have accomplished had they been engineers or doctors themselves. That has to be the strangest feeling.
I remember going to a convention in Tulsa, Ok. Not quite sure what year he passed away . But I think it was shortly before.. but I sadly couldn't afford an autograph. So I just watched as others were getting things signed. And this couple came up with a child who as far as I could tell, as I was a bit away, had downs syndrome was my guess. But I was just watching him interact with this kid. And that kid, more a toddler, just lit up at the attention. That interaction always stuck with me that James Doohan was the kind soul I've always heard of.
Huge shoutout for David Warner as Gul Madred, Picard's Cardassian torturer in Chain of Command. He was also the Klingon High Chancellor Gorkon who got assassinated in Star Trek 6, the Terran envoy on Nimus III in Star Trek 5, and Ed Dillinger in Tron. Always an intense and brilliant actor, he passed two years ago last week, may he rest in peace.
now that it hasbecome more known, he's also the voice of the antagonist Jon Irenicus in the game Baldur's Gate 2
I wholeheartedly agree. He was a terrific character actor with a great career. The way he and Patrick Stewart played their scenes is like a masterclass in acting. R.I.P. David Warner. 😢
And he was reading his lines off of CUE CARDS. He had to come in on three days notice and couldn't memorize his lines. He delivered that performance reading off of cue cards. That's next level.
He also played Jack The Ripper in Time After Time, Evil in Time Bandits, and Amos Hackshaw in Cast A Deadly spell, among probably a couple hundred other things.
I always think of The Man with Two Brains when I think of Warner😂
"There....are...FOUR LIGHTS!" is one of the most powerful lines in all of Trek.
Indeed.
Two other favorites of mine.....
"Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most.....human."
And........
"It's a faaaaaaaaaaake!"
@@ortizmo "No it's reeeaaaal!"
The writers read their Orwell.
@@tanisdevelopment That's what I was going to say. It's 1984 stuff.
Very 1984esque. except he didn't give in like Winston.
Always found it funny how Troi points out a problem and Jellico says, "Okay, why don't you work on that?" I have a boss who if you make a suggestion he likes, you also just volunteered to be in charge of that.
Yeah well, most bosses (ESPECIALLY military CO's) don't like doing actual work, so it's no surprise that an arrogant jackass like Jellico would essentially just make demands and delegate all day. As troi observes at one point, he doesn't actually have a plan - he's flying by the seat of his pants trying to outmaneuver the cardassians, and if that fails, just try and bluff them.
It's worth noting that despite the on-screen animosity, Ronny Cox, the actor that plays Captain Jellico, was well beloved while he was on set. And all of the seemingly harsh "demands" he made, like demanding Troi wear a standard uniform, were requests that those actors themselves had made throughout the years on set. He was simply being the voice of the cast that the producers were ignoring.
Jellico reminds me a lot of Commander Shelby from earlier in the series: both were somewhat antagonistic roles without being villains, and to be blunt both were actually more right than the regular crew in the situations they were in.
Yup. Marina Sirtis was particularly happy to FINALLY be able to wear a standard uniform again, and noted an uptick in the writing for Troi after that.
Okay, but that's a line in the script. As nice a guy as Ronny Cox is, it's really a writer or writers who sided with Marina Sirtis to get her her uniform against the inertia of the producers.*
* some of the producers are writers, too... it's... complicated.
Marina really got to shine when they finally allowed her to portray a stronger character and less a whimpering sex object.
@@johnathanmichaud867 Yes, and when they allowed to her be more than just Guinan's inferior substitute advisor to Picard.
My fave Troi ep is probably the one where she has to pretend to be a Tal Shiar operative aboard a Warbird. While she was kidnapped at the start of the ep (so the whole thing was not really her idea of a good adventure), everything that happens after that is pretty badass.
"It's Green!" Nice callback form Scotty getting an alien drunk in the Original
When I first saw this episode over 30 years ago and Data pulled out that bottle, I screamed "IT'S GREEN!!" before Scotty had a chance to ask "What is it?". I had tears of joy running down my face when they recreated that scene from "By Any Other Name"
A Kelvan, from the Andromeda Galaxy. Ganymede Green is a little darker than Aldeberan whiskey.
In Star Trek: The Original Series, Episode: By Any Other Name, Scotty is trying to get an alien drunk. He gets a bottle and the alien asks what it is. Scotty, quite drunk already, looks at the bottle, opens it and looks in it and sniffs it. He then says, "It's green." Data unknowingly does the same thing in Relics when Scotty asks what the drink is. James Doohan lost a finger on D-Day at Juno Beach. They did a great job of hiding it in TOS and this episode.
I wanted to point this out, I don't think By Any Other Name was in the TOS watch list.
The "Aldebaran Whiskey/Brandy" joke has even migrated to other series; River Song keeps a bottle on the TARDIS.
You could actually see James Doohan's missing finger during the holodeck scene. One instance occurred when he handed the empty glass to Picard on the holodeck.
So good!!
"I'm not a true Trekkie... I haven't seen every episode."
Hey, a lot of us became Trekkies after seeing just one episode. You qualify as much as anyone.
For sure! Down with the gatekeeping!
I bet you think reading a couple pages out of IKEA instructions makes you an engineer too, huh? 🙄
Trekkism isn't measured by how much you know about Star Trek, but by how much you want to learn more. The same goes for any fandom.
@@LiberPater777 Oh, okay, if that's your criteria, I guess *_none_* of us (yourself included) are Trekkies since none of us have an official degree in Star Trek. 🙄
@@LoganBluth I bet you're the type to watch a Bruce Lee movie and consider yourself a martial artist.
"Scotty walked so you could run" LOLOLOL brilliant, Cassie watched so her sister could hide behind a blanket
Trip Tucker crawled so Scotty could walk.
@@tehdesp Cochran was born so that Tucker could crawl.
@j.rileyindependentproductions Zefram Cochrane most definitely built the floor that the rest of them would find their steps on, if we're keeping with the metaphor.
Edit: On second thought, scratch that, yours works too.
Captain Jellico is one of the most divisive figures in ST history. Captain Picard is mostly explorer while Captain Jellico is mostly military and for the job at hand that’s what was needed. I think he was a darn good Captain.
And right about basically everything, while Riker was being a petulant dick.
Edward Jellico is an interesting character. The first major contrast is despite him being the military guy, he's the one who decorates the Ready Room with his kids paintings whereas Jean-Luc tends to have a panic attack around children. Picard refers to his officers by their surnames even six years into service together while Jellico goes first name basis on day one. I feel like Jellico would be a much more likeable Captain if he wasn't dropped onto the Enterprise in the middle of this crisis, to say nothing of Picard just being plucked away while keep the senior staff in the dark.
yeah Riker was pretty much a punk the entire time. He did not keep to chain of command and was subtely belligerent the entire time. He acted like a spoiled brat.
I'd go so far as to say he's a better captain than Picard. He's in my top three right behind Kirk and Sisko.
I didn’t tear up seeing Scotty. When Cassie said “Scotty walked so Geordi could run”… THAT’s when I teared up.
Iconic🥲
Best line I ever heard.
Brilliant line. Cassie *IS* a true Trekkie.
An actor's job is to convince the audience to suspend disbelief, to forget they're watching a play, and when Geordi mouthed off to Scotty LeVar Burton did just that.
I yelled at my TV, "You arrogant punk! Who the hell do you think you are, you...fictional character."
Almost as awesome as Cassie’s line in ST4…
“See you next Pon Far (wink, wink)!”
I met James Doohan in 1987. He was making a family comedy which was being filmed at Royal Roads Military College (now Royal Roads University) in Victoria. I was hired as an extra. He was super nice and took the time to talk with all of us. The project was cancelled after a couple of weeks. Earlier in the year I was an extra on an episode of the TV Series Stingray. The episode was titled Night Manoeuvres.
Every one of those stories Scotty tells is an episode. “Wolf in the Fold”, “Elaan of Troyius”, “The Naked Time”, and “By Any Other Name.” Oh, and “Galaxy’s Child” is the one Geordi mentioned.
For Scotty 80 years in the transporter buffer was instantaneous. For him, he went in a millisecond before they pulled him out.
I don't know. In _Vanishing Point_ Hoshi was stuck in the buffer for eight seconds and to her it felt like days.
To be fair, LeVar Burton was very uncomfortable with the way Geordi treated Scotty.
Man that's some cool spirit.@@RockBrentwood
They often do this. They get a guy who's been displaced from his home and they shove him into these drab quarters alone. There's at least two characters that committed suicide this way - Admiral Jarok and that lad Worf and his adoptive brother accidently let off the holodeck. For a universe that's supposed to be about well being and all the rest of it, they can be cold.
@@RockBrentwood To your point, it is at the core of Scotty's character to request all of that material for study. Any down time he gets he studies engineering manuals.
@@RockBrentwood As someone else pointed out, it is out of character for Scotty to ignore that. I mean he read technical manuals for relaxation. Think it was Trouble with Tribbles or something where Kirk had to order him to take shoreleave instead of reading.
So all of this was done for drama's sake. Just to give a little arc for the characters to go on.
@@RockBrentwood To be fair, it hasn't been 70 years for him. He went in, came out, for him seconds pass, and 70 years for everyone. It'll take some time for him to adjust, and for him, as one of the greatest Engineering Miracle workers ever, would be jarring. But yes, Geordi should have been a bit less blunt, a bit more understanding. And also, you drop Scotty on an Excelsior or Miranda Class, both still in Service, and he'd probably still know most of the systems there.
And there was a scene with him talking to Deanna about the change, counselling him, but it was cut for time. This is why he hugs her on the way out.
Scotty: Shunt the deuterium from the main cryo-pump to the auxiliary tank
Geordi: Er, the tank can't withstand that kind of pressure
Scotty: [laughs] Where'd you... where'd you get that idea?
Geordi: What do you mean, where did I get that idea? It's in the impulse engine specifications
Scotty: Regulation 42/15 - Pressure Variances on the IRC Tank Storage?
Geordi: Yeah
Scotty: Forget it. I wrote it
I will *love* that exchange until the day I die
The struggle over how many lights Picard saw is a direct reference to Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, in which a man under torture is told to say - and to believe - that four fingers are really three. The issue there, as here, is control and submission.
I figured someone would have mentioned it
I was going to mention he same thing.
Well according to production notes on Chain of Command, Part 2, the interrogation tactic actually originated from reports the writers received from Amnesty International about torture tactics. It was only in the writing process that the writers say they remembered the parallel between Nineteen Eighty-Four and reality. The reality is probably that this passage from the novel was based on George Orwell's experience as a member of the Colonial Police in British India, or of his knowledge of Nazi and Soviet torture tactics from career in intelligence services.
I didn't knew it was so direct reference to 1984.
I dunno if I would say I like 1984, but it is extremely well written and a must read. So crazy. 2+2=5. There are 5 lights, finding out your biggest fear to use against you.
Big Brother is always right. Changing facts to fit the current narrative.
@@mrborgeusborg1541 Sadly many in government, media, and academia took 1984 as a guidebook instead of a warning.
'How many fingers, Winston?'
'Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!'
'How many fingers, Winston?'
'Five! Five! Five!'
'No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?'
'Four! five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!'
Abruptly he was sitting up with O'Brien's arm round his shoulders. He had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O'Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O'Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O'Brien who would save him from it.
'You are a slow learner, Winston,' said O'Brien gently.
'How can I help it?' he blubbered. 'How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.'
'Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.'
He laid Winston down on the bed. The grip of his limbs tightened again, but the pain had ebbed away and the trembling had stopped, leaving him merely weak and cold. O'Brien motioned with his head to the man in the white coat, who had stood immobile throughout the proceedings. The man in the white coat bent down and looked closely into Winston's eyes, felt his pulse, laid an ear against his chest, tapped here and there, then he nodded to O'Brien.
'Again,' said O'Brien.
The pain flowed into Winston's body. The needle must be at seventy, seventy-five. He had shut his eyes this time. He knew that the fingers were still there, and still four. All that mattered was somehow to stay alive until the spasm was over. He had ceased to notice whether he was crying out or not. The pain lessened again. He opened his eyes. O'Brien had drawn back the lever.
'How many fingers, Winston?'
'Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.'
_--(excerpt from the novel '1984' by George Orwell)_
Relics gets more resonant the older I get.
Chain Of Command goes places you never think and is a tour de force two man play in the second part.
Unfortunately the writers also had to alter a character to fit the story. They did it with Geordi in Relics, and they did it with Riker in Chains of Command. Story is competent, but it a bit sad we have to ignore the fact these characters are well experienced professionals.
@@Tuning3434well said. A number of episodes where the characters were slain to one level or another by the writers (Samaritan Snare comes to mind)
Patrick Srewart gor *REAL* torture videos from Amnesty International to get into character.
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
"Scotty walked so you could run" hits me in the feels.
Patrick worked with Amnesty International to research his part in "Chain of Command" so that he could accurately portray the how torture impacts its victims. He became a champion for them afterwards.
Ronny Cox (Jellico) is also a composer of folk music, and he tours and records. I met him at one of his concerts, good guy. His song "Portales" is a hoot.
As someone who's been to Portales (and yes the one it has to be about) I'll have to check that out.
He also plays a mean guitar. You should see his performance in Deliverance.
This episode is one of the few in TNG that really shows what the "chain of command" is like in the real world military. It doesn't matter if you think your superior isn't being compassionate, too mean, abrasive, insensitive, rude, whatever. It's a military vessel, not a cruise ship.
You don't always agree with people that outrank you, a lot of the time you might not even like them as a person. But you are expected to follow orders and complete the mission to the best of your ability anyway.
Some commanders put up the "just get it done" front out of a dislike of appearing weak to their subordinates, some are just like that cause it's what they knew from their superiors when they were climbing the ranks. The good leaders I've worked with knew when to cut back on it and accept input from anyone in a 1-on-1 setting, via an open-door policy. The best ones did the former, AND would make the effort to explain why they did things a certain way when there was downtime.
I've had supervisors like Jellico before, and they bring out the best in some people, they're also the ones most likely (in my opinion) to go to bat for their people with THEIR superiors behind closed doors, identifying "diamonds in the rough" and giving them an environment where they can cultivate their talents.
I hope she gives DS9 and Voyager a try too
She won't, not enough clicks
Yes.
Those are excellent and decent shows, respectively. Babylon 5 would be amazing but not if done piecemeal.
I agree, and Enterprise.
I would love to see her react to S1E1 of DS9 and Scorpion part 1 and 2 of Voyager (if nothing else).
Fun little fact: the scene where Troi is asked to wear a regulation uniform is actually done at the behest of Marina Sirtis. She was not particularly fond of the wardrobe options for Deanna's character and had not been for some time, especially given her character was the only one that wore such things, and the reason for that was exactly what you would think it was. For this episode the writers collaborated with her to give Troi a reason to wear a regular uniform which she'd continue on with for the remainder of the series.
"Scotty walked so you could run.".....only say I can say right now is "Oh my!"
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
For reference, some of the changes that Jellico made (removing the fish from the Ready Room, telling Troi to wear a standard uniform) were ACTUALLY things requested by Patrick Stewart and Marina Sirtis during the previous seasons.
Cassie's reaction to seeing Scotty was everything I hoped for, thanks to the Patrons for picking Relics, it's been on my mind ever since she started TNG, and she was always so happy to see Scotty on the Star Trek Movies. Also just love the moment the ship does that 90 degree turn to fly out of the Dyson Sphere :D
I agree. It was a nice nostalgic nod to the original series and how it paved the way for more series to come.
How did they beam Geordi and Scotty away with the shields still up?
Yep. Her reaction to seeing Scotty materializing made the entire reaction worthwhile.
@@shallowgal462 Well it is a different Enterprise in a very different century.
Perhaps Starfleet technology has evolved or as the Borg would say "adapted" to better service mankind in this day in age.
@@shallowgal462 That's easy to explain, barely an inconvenience.
The whoseywhatsists-thingamajig was engaged to synchronize the beaming with the micro-second when the Jenolan's shields would no longer be in the way.
You know Picard was rattled when he walked straight into his ready room with Troi without even a half-hearted attempt to convince her he was ok.
I met James Doohan at a Star Trek convention back in the 90’s, I believe. He was a really sweet man. In all my moving, I lost the picture I had taken with him, and it’s still something I think about today.
I have to say that, when i was younger, i didn't liked Jellico very much. Simply because he made my favourite characters unconfortable. But the older i got, the more i have to say, that he was right to make the crew more fit for their roles. Yes, mistakes were made on both sides. By Jellico, simply because he forgot, that the Enterprise is not really a military ship and by Riker, because he failed to adapt to this new Captain and command style. We also shouldn't forget, that the Federation was on the edge of a possible new war with the Cardassians. And the Enterprise as the Flagship of the Federation wasn't really prepared for a possible war.
I have watched so many of your videos in the past year, and while they all have entertained me, I just wanted to say you are one of the kindest, most genuine people I have ever come across. Always stay just the way you are!
To share a memory. I was a teen and my mom took me to my first convention in the suburbs of chicago. As we were walking around we came upon a small bar setup near the convention hall. Standing there helping set up for a fan meet up was James doohan "scotty" himself. He saw me stopped what he was doing introduced himself to my mom and me talked to me one on one for around 30 mins, signed about 10 autographs for me. He was an amazing person, with a heart of gold.
Ronny Cox was the perfect casting choice. In the 80's and 90's he was known for playing Villains in science fiction. Usually a slimy scumbag in a fancy suit. He had done this in Robocop, Total recall, and later Stargate SG-1. People crap on Jellico, he's put there specifically so the audience will hate him. But he's not there to win most popular captain. He's pushing them because they may be in a shooting war in the next few days and they need to be ready and it's his job to get them ready. And he accomplishes his mission. He prevents the war and rescues Picard. Job well done!
This episode has my favorite cameo and one of my favorite Star Trek quotes ever.
"Aye, it's like the first time you fall in love. You don't ever love a woman, quite like that again..."
I remember when "Relics" first aired. I went: "Scotty?! SCOTTY!!!!!!! ❤❤❤
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
James Doohan was one of the toughest people alive.That guy was a war hero who literally landed in Normandy and had his finger shot off by machine gun fire...that man was a damn hero
I’m 55 male, I cry during Relics too. We love these characters so it’s emotional to see them again.
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
The Cardassian villian leader was played by the Great David Warner who passed away not too long ago and who you should recognize his voice as Chancellor Korkon in Star Trek 6. Phenomenal actor and to see him and Patrick Stuart, both Shakespearean trained actors was a real treat.
* Gorkon.
Warner was also the Earth Ambassador on Nimbus 3 in Star Trek V. So, he did 2 classic Trek films back-to-back.
Jellico gets points in my book for making Deanna switch to a uniform.
I have read that Marina Sirtis had asked to be allowed to wear a regular uniform and this was a clever way of achieving that. She objected to being singled out as it signalled to the audience that her role was primarily as eye candy.
@@iainwasson6822 It made her look like a civilian, not starfleet.
Seeing Scotty again brought tears to my eyes. Relics is definitely one of the greatest crossovers in all of Star Trek.
You called them My Crew.That's wonderful.
The look on your face when you saw Mr. Scott was priceless!!!
“That’s no moon” - well done, Cassie! 😂😂😂😂
Dyson vacuums are named after the inventor and owner of the company, James Dyson.
No relation or connected to famed physicist Freeman Dyson, who worked on the Manhattan Project, and wrote a paper postulating what became known as a Dyson Sphere in 1960. The idea was eventually used in quite a few science fiction stories, along with off-shoots of the idea, such as Larry Niven's use of a Ringworld.
Dyson came up with all sorts of amazing theories and concepts and was one of the greatest physicists of the 20th century. He died only in 2020.
His ideas included a "Dyson tree" that could live in a comet and provide living space for humans, and "Dyson's eternal intelligence," which would allow escape from the heat death of the universe. And so on.
Incidentally Freeman Dyson was still alive when Relics first aired. I hope he loved getting name-dropped by Capt. Picard.
And neither of them are related to Miles Dyson, whose pioneering work in AI can only ensure a bright future for all of humanity, free from petty concerns such as killer robots.
@@theevilascotcompany9255 T2 😉
The interesting thing about the Dyson Sphere is the paradox of it; any society with the technology and resources to build one would have no need of it.
Dyson also worked on Project Orion in the 1960s. The original Project Orion (no relation to today's Orion capsule project) used nuclear bombs as propellant for long range interplanetary craft. In testing with conventional explosives, the test craft actually flew. Unfortunately, the Air Force was exploiting the program to build what was essentially a nuclear powered battleship. President Kennedy, fearful of the implications of the classified aspects of the program, canceled the project. In the non classified aspects of the project, missions were contemplated to Saturn's lunar system with arrival in the late 1960s.
This two-part episode immediately preceded the launch of the Deep Space Nine series.
I went to STLV back in 2021 right after the pandemic. It was the first “trek” convention to happen since the shut downs and they had a replica of the bridge. I went back to that bridge multiple times because after the things I’d lost during that year it was like seeing an old friend you never thought you’d see again. I know exactly how Scotty feels seeing her again. Jimmy did a fantastic job in this episode
I know I have said this before but thank you for your authenticity.
Your reactions during relics were real.
Thank you again
3:58 ...This is the exact minute her heart filled with genuine joy💖
You think tears came to YOUR eyes? I MET James Doohan, years before this, at an autograph signing. As warm and genial as you could ever hope for, and THEN some.
RIP, Jimmy, you're missed and still beloved....😢😢😢
One of the "best" StarTrek series was "Deep Space 9" -- which is where this story line came from. DS9 was one of the best series from start to end. A must watch for anyone that really likes deep stories and over arching themes.
One thing for sure, you will certainly learn all there is to know about Cardassians. :) And for those that don't want to spend 7 seasons, they don't fare well in the end at the end of the Dominion war. Spoiler alert.
scotty said the perfect sentence "Every Woman has her own Charms you just have to know where to look for them" and for you "Popcorn in Bed" they are obvious: you have a heart of gold, a humorous personality, a cute smile, you are kind, friendly and you try to be positive towards everyone.
Except moths. :)
Funny enough, it was Marina Sirtis herself who requested she wear an actual uniform instead of that getup she was wearing the prior seasons, and it honestly was one of the greatest decisions made. She looks great in full uniform and like she's ready to command. Also, Jellico may have been brash and not Picard, but he was the PERFECT OFFICER for the job at hand. He wasn't there for the exploration side, he was there to either be ready or prevent a war from breaking out. And if war was coming, he was the most experienced there to deal with the Cardassians.
I have always thought the same about Jellico. There was this moment, the first time I watched the episode (many years ago now) where I realized I was supposed to not like him for crossing our beloved characters at a 90 degree angle... but it was clear to me that he was on a mission, and the actor (Ronny Cox) pulled that sense off perfectly. As you said, he was the right man for the job -- a hardass for a situation that couldn't wait for personal relationship-building.
If anything, I was disappointed in our beloved characters for not being better professionals.
I liked her in the Season 4 full green dress.
Marina Sirtis really had a love-hate relationship with her costuming over the first half of the series. On the one hand, she was happy when they stopped showing off her cleavage by putting her in uniform, and she commented about "getting her brains back." But earlier she was kind of giddy over becoming a sex symbol due to insecurities she had as a child.
@@Ambaryerno I'm baffled by this supposed sexualisation of Marina Sirtis in the early seasons. The amount of cleavage on display was so minimal that my teenage brain didn't even register it. Baywatch was around the same time, and the showrunners expected our eye's to pop out because they put Marina in a V-neck?
Captain Jellico did nothing wrong.
4:05 "Why do I have tears come to my eyes when I saw that?" Your fans knew you would. That's why they voted for this episode. ;)
Marina Sirtis wanted out of the pajamas and into a regular uni so having Jellico order it was an easy "reason" to make it happen.
The only bad part about skipping episodes is you missed the ENTIRE story of Ensign Ro Laren and the Bajorans and Cardassians, which pretty much sets up the entire backstory of Deep Space Nine, the best Trek series.
And the series that allowed Ron Moore to make BSG04 the way he wanted.
I couldn't remember if Ensign Ro is before or after this. But I KNOW she missed The Wounded.
@@TroyConvers5000Some might argue Voyager is what led Ron Moore to BSG. After DS9 ended, Moore took a job writing on Voyager. He only lasted a few months before leaving. While he didn’t bad mouth the show while it was still on the air, he admitted after that after writing on DS9 he couldn’t stand how much Voyager forced its writers to always play everything safe. There was an interview he gave where he went at great length about it. Most notably, how he would have liked to have written Voyager if there were no restrictions. One of the higher ups at NBC/Universal happened to read it and thought his description for a “grittier Voyager” might be a perfect fit for the possible Battlestar remake they were hoping to get off the ground. The rest as they say, is history.
@@coffeeveins I meant that DS9 was edgier than standard Berman Trek; even the heroes did questionable stuff to achieve an end.
@@TroyConvers5000 that makes sense. Wasn’t trying to undercut you. Just love the story about BSG being very much a gritty hardcore version of the Voyager premise(a ship having to make their way alone through hostile space with limited resources and differing factions having to co-operate for survival). Obviously they aren’t the exact same(no aliens or viewscreens, and a much more grounded type of tech), but all the things Moore wanted to do apply to what they did do on BSG.
James "Scotty" Doohan ,was a lieutenant in the Canadian army in WWII during the D-Day landings, you can occasionally see (in TOS and the movies) that he is missing a finger on one of his hands that was shot off in the war, I also remember hearing a story about him flying a fighter plane between telephone poles during the war because someone said it couldn't be done, and even though he wasn't in the RAF he gave it a try, but that could just be a story he told.
He was an artillery officer and flew an Auster spotter plane.
@@ogremark5 neat! well that's probably what I heard about. Thx 4 the info
By the way, the ensign at the Helm is Mae Carol Jemison, the first Black woman in space.
The first of many cameos by famous astronauts and the cast treated them like visiting royalty.
You are mistaken, the ensign is Lanei Chapman who played ensign Sariel Rager, Mae Carol Jemison appeared in the episode "second chances".
The uniform thing was actually Marina Sirtis’s idea, she wanted a standard uniform
Right, and she was delighted to get one.
Thank goodness.
And Patrick Stewart wanted to get rid of the fish. He didn't think it was very enlightened to keep an animal like this captured in that small fish bowl.
she should have been in a standard uniform from the start, i never made any sense that she wasnt unless she was a civilian counselor
True, but in-story I can still blame Jellico, the crusty old prude.
Sometimes, I think of what Jellico took from us have to go back and watch the ending of "Robocop".
"It is green" is a callback to an old original Star Trek episode Where Scotty said "It is green"
I'm absolutely on Jellico's side. He didn't have time to be comfortable with the crew.
Also Troi wears a uniform from this point forward because Marina Sirtis requested to wear one. This episode was a good opportunity to make the change.
Jellico had one job. He wound up doing two and did them like a boss. Getting Picard back was not a mission goal.
@@ortizmo I agree. Ryker was willing to risk the mission to save Picard - Jellico completed the mission AND saved Picard.
I was with Jellico on not risking the negotiations to get Picard, but his insistence on changing the whole shift structure of the ship right as they began a sensitive mission was stupid and controlling and petty. Riker's right: he inspired no one and sucked the joy out of the room. He knows the Cardassians very well and he's a great tactician, but he's not a great captain.
@@dupersuper1938 What's the point of appointing heads of sections if when they tell you something you completely ignore everything they say to you?
It's one thing if he tried to compromise with any of them about anything but all he did was double down on my way or the highway. Sometimes he was even indicative about it.
The story was written in such a way to make him right but likely with his attitude problem he would have overlooked half the stuff he noticed in the show.
Jellico did nothing wrong.
I think you know this already, but you'll be a pretty big little celebrity yourself at a convention. The openness and respect to which you've approached this IP, and the genuine enjoyment and love you've found for TOS and TNG has been sweet to experience with you and validating for thousands of Star Trek fans. Watching someone get past the negative stereotypes of both the show and the fans to develop a genuine appreciation and connection with a franchise centered around human optimism is remarkably engaging. You are the everyman/everywoman that is the Star Trek fan and you've brought a smile to all of us (tearing up when Scotty shows up? Perfectly natural!). I hope you go to the convention and I hope you take the attention, admiration, and applause with grace because you indeed deserve it. Thanks for sharing this with all of us.
Jelico is a great Captain he gets it done!
Time is a very precious commodity, time on this earth, time spent with loved ones, never take this time for granted
"Someone once told me that, time is the fire in which we burn..."
@@3Rayfire
A very good analogy and true at that
The late David Warner, here torturing Captain Picard, played the Terran ambassador on the Planet of Galactic Peace in _Star Trek V_ and the Klingon Chancellor Gorkon in _Star Trek VI._ He was also Jack the Ripper in the time-travel drama _Time After Time,_ also starring Mary Steenbergen from _Back to the Future III_ and Malcolm McDowell _(Star Trek Generations, Caligula, A Clockwork Orange),_ and was written by Nicholas Meyer, the director of _Star Trek II_ and _Star Trek VI._
It’s all connected, always neat info…
He was also Cal's security guy Lovejoy in the 1997 _Titanic,_ Bob Cratchit in the 1984 _A Christmas Carol,_ and Dillinger/Sark/MCP in the 1982 (original) _Tron._
and "Evil" in Time Bandits
@@billparrish4385 End of line.
Only 3 more for season6? Uh oh. There will be many great episodes missed. Tapestry better be on the list as it was one of the best episodes of any show, Star Trek or not.
Your reaction to seeing Scotty materialise was about the same as mine when I saw it back when it first aired. The characters really have a way of working their way into your heart.
As per John Johns, so far the only episode I think you need to watch (not just enjoy watching) is "Brothers", because it leads into not only the first film but also the season 6 finale.
Watching it with you is like watching it for the first time. Thank you for your sincere Fandom. "That's no moon..." and the ball in the vacuum. Laughed out loud, for real. ❤
Cassie, you should probably go to the Con, if only to get a feel for the fan experience, but, if you get the chance, you should also consider traveling to Ticonderoga, New York, a gentleman there has recreated, in exact detail, the entire filming sets from the original show, bridge, sickbay, corridors, the whole shebang, it's open to the public, but on special occasions Shatner shows up there for interactions with fans, on his bridge, think you'd enjoy that
" Scotty walked so you can run" That's sweet. She gets it. Thank you maam.
The older one gets the less people want to hear what we have to say. 67 here and I get what Scotty is saying.
I'll be 65. Totally agree.
The problem isn't what he was saying it's where he was trying to say it. If Scotty wants to talk someone's ear off he could and should have done it when Geordi was off duty or to someone in Ten Forward. If your showing up to a person's place of work during the hours they are working you aren't in the right place to be chit-chatting.
@@parker469ahe was also 75 years behind the tech, brilliant as he is that is still a massive gap and not easy to understand, thats like moving alan turing forward to work on even the 1980's computers let alone the ones we have now.
Or James watt to work on a diesel engine, or isambard brunel to build a bridge with modern materials.
If i have a problem with the old well pump in my garden i can call my father or grandfather, when i have a problem with my heatpump i need to call a specialist
People didn't want to hear what I had to say when I was young either.
Time and a place. Older people have nothing better to do so they want to share stories and connect with people, especially as they lose friends and family to time, younger people have things to do. Work to get done, a life to build. They don't want to hear about the things you did, they want to do those things them selves.
How can some people not understand that Jellicoe is infact a very good captain. 🥰
There is a cut scene of Scotty with Troi that makes her goodbye make more sense.
The scene of Scotty on the old Enterprise bridge was both nostalgic and sad. In his mind all his friends are dead and gone, though Spock is still alive but Scotty doesn't know that.
Actually McCoy is presumably still alive unless he died since the first episode.
@@davidwilliams4845 A good point! I forgot about Bones being alive in TNG pilot.
16:48 Atium compounders and Atium leechers from Scadrial are immortal. They are from the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
the "new" captain of the enterprise knows that picard is on a secret mission starfleet only didnt knew that the carrdassians set the whole thing up to capture picard to get secret information about starfleet. so he really isnt the bad guy at all.
"Relics" is such a fun episodes, especially for TOS fans.
Unfortunately, there are a few references you'll have missed by not having watched all of the TOS episodes.
I love that scene in the corridor with LaForge and Scott where LaForge is just prodding and smacking his broken arm.
24:00 Once Troi got her uniform (the cast call it a space suit), her character was given more interesting things to do.
I think everyone cheered when the Captain called her out on it. She really was hard to take seriously as an "officer" who constantly wore civilian clothes.
@italianviking80 This may be an extremely opinion, (and there's no may be about it. It definitely will be), but I never liked her character. I always found her annoying.
@@raybarry4307 I can't disagree. For a long time, it seemed the character's only role on the bridge was to sit next to the captain, "sense" things, and state the obvious. However, I believe her character began to develop significantly once she got her space suit.
It was actually Marina Sirtis who wanted to wear a uniform. She didn't think it made sense for her to be the only officer not in uniform. This episode gave the writers an opportunity to make the switch.
@@raybarry4307 She was always a bad character and is the most dated part of TNG.
I think Captain Jellico is extremely misunderstood. He was brought in specifically because he knew how to play the Cardassians and needed to turn the Enterprise from an exploratory/diplomacy ship to a possible warship in breakneck time. I actually find this episode makes Riker and most of the rest of the crew look like brats who are made their cool dad left are objecting to their new stricter step-dad. Jellico genuinely doesn't have time for a soft landing with them. Riker is the first officer and shouldn't just be delaying orders on shift changes just because it's different or going to be hard to adjust to. Jellico didn't ask him to do anything unethical there.
Also... Troi is a bridge officer and a lieutenant commander... she should put on a goddamn uniform just like everyone else, haha.
At the end of the day, he just has a different way of doing things. And you know what? Everything he did ended up being right and he got the job done. AND he got them give Picard back to boot. He's a good captain, just in a different way.
The torture episode was inspired by "1984", which is a book everyone should read at least once in his or her life, even if they wish they hadn't.
we've been living it since
2015
when
ORANGE CLOWN
ran for US PRESIDENT
@@andrewblanchard2398 Dude, we've been "living in '1984'" since 1945. The book was a commentary on the ongoing "Cold War" and more generally how governments use the "perception of other," even among nations with no direct conflict of interest, to further their own self-interest and self-indulgence; and how those who govern are the main oppressors of their own citizens.
@@andrewblanchard2398 You mean the opposite? The 'news' is telling us to not believe what we can see with our own eyes to be true. That's pure 1984. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but you're one of the people who fell victim to the brainwashing. The good news is, it's not too late to wake up, many people do it every day.
1984 is considered a fascist novel now. Anyway, everyone these days willingly carry surveillance devices because they can watch videos on them.
@@AliceBowie Fascist? By whom?
23:18 Fun fact, Deanna switching to a standard uniform and the removal of the fish tank from Picard's ready room was because there had been discussions about making changes.
Patrick Stewart actually never liked the idea of a fish tank on set. So they actually came up with an written reason in the show to have them removed. Same with Deanna being ordered to switch uniforms.
Marina Sirtis had asked and always wanted to wear the uniform just like the other cast members. In the past, she preferred civilian attire so that the crew could open up to her more often as ship's counselor. So Jellico ordering her into one was the story subplot that contributed to the change. Deanna is now seen in uniform more often for the rest of the series because the writers began to focus more seriously on her character.
For someone who did not grow up watching Star Trek you have become really emotionally involved with the characters and you understand the lore and the plots on more than just a superficial level. You are probably my second favorite reactor for Trek stuff on TH-cam. Great job in other stuff too.
Is Jen the other one?
Cassie! Behind the scenes Martina was actually questioning why she was the only crewmember that was not wearing a uniform. They used this opportunity to write it into the script.
I can’t even watch this reaction for another hour, but I am already excited. Three great episodes!
Captain Edward Jellico is one of my favorites, mainly because I’m a fan of actor/singer/musician Ronny Cox, that loves to play a great villain and explore roles that are so opposite of how he is in reality. Other than Picard, and Riker, Jellico was the only other Captain to make an Enterprise D Captain’s log entry, I believe. This situation called for a stern Captain with experience dealing with Cardassian wolves, and he certainly was that. He’s like Admiral Nacheyev, no BS, straight to the point, hard core officers for hard core situations. I like her too. I also loved David Warner as Gul Madred. He made a great Cardassian villain.
Fun fact: Will would not have been able to go over Jellico’s head. Jellico had Admiral Nacheyev’s full confidence, and she’s who Will would have to go to as Star Fleet Commander over the UFP/Cardassian Union border defense, as well as being Picard and Jellico’s direct superior, and she had Star Fleet Command’s full confidence. Both she and Jellico would take great offense and Will’s career would probably have been over. Going over Nacheyev’s head would definitely have been a career ender, since she wasn’t fond of Will anyway. Besides, Will hated it when Commander Shelby went over his head to Picard in Best of Both Worlds.
I am so happy that Chain of Command made the list Great pick
I mean, how can it not, I hope the entire Federation would vote it in.
Captain Jellico might have been a hardass but he was right in basically everything.
Capt. Jellico making Troi wear the proper uniform was something that was needed. She is an Officer aboard the Enterprise, a Lt -CMD . She was out of uniform. Now when she is in her office, that is another story and she can wear the other outfits. Dr Crusher wears her uniform, and lets face it, Troi is a Dr too, therapist / psychiatrist requires her to have a doctorates. After her wearing the uniform, she looks more professional.
That was at the request of Marina Sirtis.
@@bundywaters5988 Yep I heard that as well. she wanted to be taken seriously
SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT, CASSIE DO NOT READ
After Sirtis got a real uniform, Troi was written more intelligently, and taken seriously. Marina's favorite story is how, in a later episode, Troi is explaining/lecturing about how Romulan warp cores differ from Starfleet cores. Who is she lecturing? Geordi and Data, the two best engineers on the Enterprise.
After the events in "Disaster", Troi took the Bridge Qualification Test and was promoted to full Commander.
The idea is that the Ship's Counselor dresses in casual clothes to be more approachable, instead of the general rigidity of the uniform. Migleemo does the same on the Cerritos. Considering the incredible variety of Starfleet uniforms I don't see her dresses as a big deal. It's more disturbing that the writers couldn't write her effectively until she was put in the uniform.
Relics is one of my favorite episodes of TNG. Seeing Scotty again after so long brought tears to my eyes. He is such an awesome character and James Doohan gave him such a wonderful personality.
The thing with Jellico is, he's not a villain. He's a man doing a job, and doing it pretty well. His command style is different from Picard's, but that only makes him an antagonist, not a villain. His goals are the same as Riker's, he's just not going about it the way Riker wants him to. I actually rather like him. He's efficient, decisive and in charge.
Very true. If this was a traditional change of command then Jellico would have been accepted more. But because it was out of the blue, and under high stress conditions it helped create friction.
The problem is he DOESN'T do it well. If the actions of the Captain threaten to undermine the ship's morale he's failing as commander on a fundamental level, ESPECIALLY when that ship is in such a potentially dangerous situation as this episode puts Enterprise in. Riker's not innocent in their sour relationship, but his analysis is also spot-on. He wants things done his way, now, and he refuses to listen to the department heads who actually know their ship and crew. That's NOT the mark of a good commanding officer.
I didn't mind Jellico at all,as a former military vet ( Navy and Army ) when a new CO takes command he/she always changes things to fit their style or way of doing things,usually takes a while for the old troops to adjust to another way of doing things.And I'll say this about Riker not acting like a commander/officer/XO,he was acting like a little snotty teenager. LOL. He needed to be relieved of duty. I once had a Petty Officer in my unit tell me what he thought of me as a sailor ( it was my first duty station and it wasn't nice what he said either-LOL ) so i told him what i thought of him as a petty officer ( what i said wasn't nice either-LOL ) and when he'd have me do a detail I'd screw it up on purpose. LOL. He stopped asking. I'm so glad I'm no longer in the military,being a civilian is wonderful. LOL.
I get the feeling Riker would have jumped at the opportunity to fly the shuttle during the mine laying mission as soon as it was proposed if Picard was still captain.
It's his hostility towards the new Captain and command style that keeps him from seeing that Jelico is probably right in what he's doing.
@@kerry-j4m N.A.V.Y. - Never Again Volunteer Yourself
“Sounds just like real Kardashiens”…lol
Jelico is not a likeable Captain.... but, Picard is the Captain you want when you go on an exploration mission. Picard is a jack of all trades. . Jelico is the Captain you want when you're going to WAR. He's a soldier... He's not likable but he's the one that "Gets it done" when you go into battle.
That statement reads like Picard isn't worth anything in a fight when he's a very skilled tactician.
33:25 That is David Warner as a Cardassian. This episode got nominated and won an EMMY for Best Writing for a Star Trek episode. :)
A true Trekkie/Trekker is simply someone that loves it. I won’t agree when someone says the new stuff is the best, but I’ll still welcome them to the club and suggest they watch the original stuff.
I was having a rough day… Then I saw you tear up with Scotty and you were so happy… It lightened my mood and made me feel better. Thank you for that 🙏🏻
I'm really glad you've enjoyed this season. I hope you start 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' next! The first season of 'Star Trek: DS9' began while season six of 'The Next Generation' was halfway through production. Seasons six of 'The Next Generation' was also the last time Chief O'Brien was a series regular, because he transferred to Deep Space Nine in universe, and became a cast member of that show.
Your reaction to Scotty appearing was.... perfect. Just perfect.
They used Jelico as an easy way to make changes they wanted to make for a long time. For instance, Marina Sirtis long wanted to wear a regular uniform, so they just had Jelico order her to dress more formally.
BTW....David Warner, who played the Cardassian interrogator (Gul Madred), also played Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek VI.
The more I see this episode, the more I can relate to Scotty in it. After doing what I do for a living for 3 decades, nearly everything that happens around me has happened before, and there’s a story behind it. And I’m onboard with the Synthahol, give me the real thing. After living this long, piss off, I’ve earned it.
Damn allergies get me at the end of it, that’s it, yea, allergies.
Chain of Command, PEAK TNG and Picard. Most of the time when I watch the news I find myself wanting to scream THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!