As a biochemist who has worked in, and run, research laboratories for around 40 years my advice is always assume a chemical maybe dangerous even if it isn’t considered so at present. Toxicity information changes all the time and things that were not considered toxic can eventually be considered so a few years later. Basically, when I paint my models, I use a booth and wear a respirator. After finishing a session I then remove all the residues from my workroom and open the window for several hours. Better to be safe than sorry.
I worked with PPG water borne paint for several years. Although they touted how environmentally safe and non-toxic they were, I consistently wore a respirator in the paint booth. However, many individuals I worked with did not. Now, some years later, many of those same employees have developed cancer, impotence, infertility and are suing the company. According to a ex plant manager from that facility, PPG water borne paint was directly involved in the occurrence of cancers and other life changing conditions.
@@chrisveya7556 Most chemicals have a platora of alternative names. This is either for historical reasons or originates from standard naming conventions.
Let's be honest, everything in our hobby is pretty much bad for our health and our environment. Microplastic and resin dust from sanding, cement fumes, IPA, putties, pigments, enamels, oils, lacquers and the list goes on. Of course these are toxic, but there is a difference between being exposed to these things 7-8 hours a day via work for example, or 1-2 hours via hobby on an irregular basis. The amount and the length of exposure matters. Keep in mind the concentration as well. The thinner has between 2.5-10% concentration. That means that in a 1ml of thinner there is 0.1ml of butylglycol at most. I do agree with you that Vallejo should have it on the bottle, but not even Mr Hobby Lacquer thinners have text saying, don't inhale the fumes, while that stuff is literally killing your brain cells and can make you blind if it gets in to your eye. When I know that I will airbrush for an hour straight, I will put a mask on just in case, if I just do a quick airbrush work like 5 minutes on some pieces, then I think it's fine. I use Mission Model, AK 3rd gen, Ammo and Vallejo. All water based. If in doubt, take precautions. It's never going to hurt you being careful.
@@rogueplastic yes youre absolutely right. The lenght of exposure is decisive. I totally understand why Mr. Hobby has no declaration on any of their products, the stuff is made in China right? They dont care about anything concerning safety of the people. But i thought it could be different in Spain... Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 Mr Hobby is Japanese. Even if their local laws don't require any of these labels, for these products to come in to Europe they have to follow European laws, so you want to question why the EU doesn't have it as a requirement. Usually companies will always do the bare minimum to comply with laws to stay cost effective, etc... I also understand why it's not a requirement. Literally everything surrounding us on a daily basis has toxic components in certain levels. If over time it turns out that something is very toxic and damaging even in the smallest amounts, it will be banned. Like asbestos. Until then it will be observed. Another way is for the consumer base to force a business to do things like that. As always, money talks and companies will do everything for more sales. It's good to keep each other in the loop within the community about potential dangers and hazards, because a lot of times bureaucracy and companies wont do it for us.
Thanks for the video! I'm currently planing on buying an airbrush and was thinking about chemicals in some of the used substances. As a former biochemists, I'm a little bit shocked how hard it is to find any SDS sheets from Vallejo (and also other manufacturers). I just found out that Vallejo might reformulated their thinner (and maybe the flow improver too) but I cannot find any current SDS sheets. The one you are showing is from 2015. I wil lreach out to vallejo and aks if the can provide a SDS sheet for the thinner. And (as already mentioned by another commenter): the chemical in the thinner and the flow improver is the same. So both are toxic if inhaled!
The sheets im showing are the actual ones directly from the officiall vallejo website. So if they have made some changes meanwhile, the files werent updated. Okey youre chemist im not at all, how come this ingredient is declared in the SDS of the same company with different names? Is there a reason to it? Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 I just saw on some german shops that they labelled the thinner with "new formula". Why they used different names is a good question. According to Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008 it should be names as "2-butoxyethanol or ethylene glycol monobutyl ether" But I think that this substance was added in 2022 to the annex VI of the regulation. Might be some older sheets but only vallejo will know (hopefully they know :D). If they changed something they def. should update their sheets!
@@chrisveya7556 Vallejo send me back some new SDS sheets for the thinner and flow improver (pretty quick response time)! They do not contain the mentioned substances anymore. If you have any mail address you can share here, I can send you the new ones (revised in 2022).
I started building models around the age of 5 in 1971. Yup I’m an old guy. We use enamels then, no one really knew they should have concerns. The older I get the more I wonder about the safety of products we use. Thank you so much for doing the research for us like this I must admit I wonder but don’t look any further into it 😂. I hope you are also making a video of your P-51 build.
always use a spraybooth when airbrushing to suck away most fumes to outside, not recirculate. inhaling paint parts, dust or thinner mist is never a good idea. it might not be harmful instantly, but builds up over times. you could also wear a paint facemask with filters, like most common 3m facemask. If you consider all paints as unsafe/unhealthy and take precautions, you're safe 👍 but maybe that's because most of us are old scalemodellers that started with thinner based paints.
The smaller the body area such as that of a child or pet the more toxic any chemical becomes. Many chemicals such as acetone have a cumulative effect so a small exposure builds up to toxic levels. Be safe with your hobby.
My rule is to always wear my respirator and have the spray booth fan on when using the airbrush. Regardless of acrylic or chemical based paints. I hope everyone else is doing the same. Stay safe and enjoy the hobby
The term acrylic paint is misused in the modelling community. It seems most people think that acrylic = water based = non toxic. This is false. Tamiya X-XF paints are acrylics, just not water based but alcohol based. Both types of paint contain acrylic resins and having a different solvent does not change this fact. We should handle any paint as dangerous and take necessary safety measures. Health > modelling. Even when hand-brushing enamels/oils etc, we should not leave thinners/solvents open in a closed/non ventilated space.
I believe with the alcohol based ones people are more aware of, with water based its a bit more tricky. You hear the word water and automatically think its completely safe to use Thanks for the feedback!
I agree. I still use a spray booth and a 3M mask with cartridges. One day, I forgot to put my mask back on after cleaning my airbrush real quick for a color swap, I got such a bad headache afterwards and for a good part of the next day. Did not feel good. Sure, it could have been due to something else, but most likely due to forgetting the mask. Just wanted to add I use all Vallejo and a brew made of their thinner, retarder, and flow improver. Great products though.
Excellent video, research, and commentary. I use Vallejo Model Air paint too. Occasionally Tamiya spray cans. My homemade spray booth works quite well when airbrushing or using spray cans. Will also use a N-95 dust mask. Take care!
It’s not so much the solids in the paint. It’s the VOCs. Volatile, Organic, Compounds aka solvents that are the killers ! The biggest destroyer of lungs is two component compounds. Isocyanates !
I remember when Vallejo Model Color had natural pigments in them like cobalt and such. They had to have warnings on the bottle, because it was in it, but it was such a small amount that you would have had to ingest about a 100litres or more of it to be of any minor nuisance You are still only using a very small amount of Valleo thinner. But with any paint when you are spraying, should be in a spray booth, and wearing a respirator, regardless of the the type of paint used
I think every ingredient which can be harmful to health should declared as such. Even if its in very small dosages. Just to raise the awareness Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 I think if it is proven that it is under acceptable thresholds, than legally they don't have to, right or wrong is just a matter of personal opinion at that point. Could just be a matter of time before it too gets reformulated, if the EU keeps banning the chemicals used in paint manufacturing. Hence why Vallejo has had to reformulate both the Game Color line and the Model Color line, as well as other paint manufacturers having to reformulate their lines
You are not totally off but you are seemingly lacking the background knowledge to correctly interpret the data you have shown. The safety data sheets mostly report information about hazard, i.e. if it says compound X is harmful when inhaled then this is a general property. However, what is actually important is the risk which is the combination of hazard and exposure. Just ask yourself if the acute or chronic effect thresholds are met in your case: if you spray a few drops of thinner per week in your basement, you will most likely be fine because the dose is just too low to do anything. If, on the other hand, you take up sniffing airbrush thinner as a recreational past-time, then this might be bad for your health in multiple ways. The same goes for pigments - if there is too much in the air, then it's bad. The same goes for all other things, of course. Just as Paracelus said: "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison." Hope that helps.
Example exposure calculation for the airbrush thinner: Long-term exposure limit for workers is around 100 mg/m³ of air for inhalation. Assuming the room you are in has a floor size of 10 m², this represents an air volume of ~25 m³. There is up to 10% of 2-butoxyethanol in thinner. If the room has NO ventilation and you begin spraying, one would need to spray at least 25 g of thinner to reach the occupational limit value. Probably considerably more under realistic conditions, because the thinner will mostly land on the model with the color and there will (hopefully) some kind of ventilation. Also the long-term/chronic threshold may not be the right value to look at, but acute may be more relevant. Anyhow: taking care of ventilation and redirecting or filtering aerosols is ALWAYS a good idea.
Yes you are absolutely right. My main focus was to know if there are any toxic ingredients in these products which arent declared on the bottles. And if yes, which type of chemicals are these. Thanks for the feedback!
I have two of those inexpensive spray booths and I think they are worth the money. There are more expensive units out there and different types of vent systems but for the money they’re pretty good
Surprisingly, I never grew tumors having worked around Fluorocarbon metal coating and soaked up its solvent, Methyl-Ethyl Ketone, for 1.5 years at one of my less-glamorous dead-end jobs. I'm sure the PM Acetate and other organic solvents should've aged me in dog years, too.
Acrylic resin particulates aren't toxic? What about all the N-Butyldiamine in Tamiya Paint Retarder and X-20 thinner? It's no lacquer thinner, but I'm sure it's not isopropyl alcohol, either in terms of toxicity or carcinogenic or teratogenic effects, either. I bet Mr. Rocket Thinner and Mr. Tool Cleaner aren't very healthy, either...
@@viper29ca yes, yes it is. Tamiya is an acrylic resin binder in an alcohol/water carrier. An emulsion acrylic. Vallejo is an acrylic resin binder in a water carrier. Also an emulsion acrylic. Oniy the carrier is different.
I know from hauling these type of paints from coast to coast. When I had to pick up a load of paint,I had to plackerd the load as dangerous and flammable. This depended on the amount and there containers. I know that when I had to haul it I had to carry msd sheet as well as placking the load. So in my mind this is toxic to a point. In the amount that a modeler uses it is not according to epa or ohsa due to part per million. 😊
The airbrush cleaners that are sold are another issue i suspect. I picked up a few and some really get to me and i can barely breath and that's when using the paint booth with the fan on.
Interesting video. I've just checked the labels on my Vallejo cleaner, thinner and flow improver - nothing, The label on some recently purchased "Medea" airbrush cleaner (made by Iwata) however warns of "cancer and reproductive harm" !!!! I mentioned this to my modelling club who advised "it's those Californians - they worry about everything".....🤔
I just realised these SDS are worthy to consider. I know the concentration is low as well as the time of exposure, i just think it wouldnt hurt to declare these type of chemicals on the product. Thanks for the feedback!
Have fun with heart disease / lung disease and the list goes on. Also as he said the health of our children is important and their lungs, blood vessels actually can’t take as much as adults can and is up to 20x more harmful to kids. It is proven- you sound like a dumb person tbh.
@@BattleBrotherCastenthats total bs.. been painting floquil and older hobby enamels for decades no problems and now its this greeny paint? I even painted epoxys on real aircraft in the navy and no problems. You live in the chicken little world
@@tomspettel3646 my old man was in the Air Force. He had the same attitude. Died at 62 from colon cancer directly linked to the chemicals he was exposed to in the Air Force. Your view that other people are 'chicken little' doesn't take into account the suffering they have witnessed. If you can't understand the science behind it, maybe don't comment.
@@N17C1 the chems used in the military are very different than the hobby paints there trying to ply people for maybe you think about that first before bring chicken little
@@N17C1 looks like you missed the point. The chems in the military are very toxic. Saying these hobby paints are somehow any where close to that is ridiculous considering the hobby paints used just a few years ago that were far superior to any of this stuff thats called paint now and second dont any of you use a paint booth or like we did when we were younger spray paint it out side.
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As a biochemist who has worked in, and run, research laboratories for around 40 years my advice is always assume a chemical maybe dangerous even if it isn’t considered so at present. Toxicity information changes all the time and things that were not considered toxic can eventually be considered so a few years later. Basically, when I paint my models, I use a booth and wear a respirator. After finishing a session I then remove all the residues from my workroom and open the window for several hours. Better to be safe than sorry.
I worked with PPG water borne paint for several years. Although they touted how environmentally safe and non-toxic they were, I consistently wore a respirator in the paint booth. However, many individuals I worked with did not. Now, some years later, many of those same employees have developed cancer, impotence, infertility and are suing the company. According to a ex plant manager from that facility, PPG water borne paint was directly involved in the occurrence of cancers and other life changing conditions.
Great info all the way around!!!! Thank you for all the homework you put into this video!!!! Greatly appreciated!!!
@@n8sot thanks the generous feedback!
Note that 2-butoxyethanol and butylglycol are the same chemical substance - the CAS number 111-76-2 is identical.
Okey thanks for the hint! How come they have different names in the Vallejo SDS i dont get...
@@chrisveya7556 Most chemicals have a platora of alternative names. This is either for historical reasons or originates from standard naming conventions.
Let's be honest, everything in our hobby is pretty much bad for our health and our environment.
Microplastic and resin dust from sanding, cement fumes, IPA, putties, pigments, enamels, oils, lacquers and the list goes on.
Of course these are toxic, but there is a difference between being exposed to these things 7-8 hours a day via work for example, or 1-2 hours via hobby on an irregular basis.
The amount and the length of exposure matters.
Keep in mind the concentration as well. The thinner has between 2.5-10% concentration. That means that in a 1ml of thinner there is 0.1ml of butylglycol at most.
I do agree with you that Vallejo should have it on the bottle, but not even Mr Hobby Lacquer thinners have text saying, don't inhale the fumes, while that stuff is literally killing your brain cells and can make you blind if it gets in to your eye.
When I know that I will airbrush for an hour straight, I will put a mask on just in case, if I just do a quick airbrush work like 5 minutes on some pieces, then I think it's fine.
I use Mission Model, AK 3rd gen, Ammo and Vallejo. All water based.
If in doubt, take precautions. It's never going to hurt you being careful.
@@rogueplastic yes youre absolutely right. The lenght of exposure is decisive.
I totally understand why Mr. Hobby has no declaration on any of their products, the stuff is made in China right? They dont care about anything concerning safety of the people. But i thought it could be different in Spain...
Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556
Mr Hobby is Japanese.
Even if their local laws don't require any of these labels, for these products to come in to Europe they have to follow European laws, so you want to question why the EU doesn't have it as a requirement.
Usually companies will always do the bare minimum to comply with laws to stay cost effective, etc...
I also understand why it's not a requirement. Literally everything surrounding us on a daily basis has toxic components in certain levels. If over time it turns out that something is very toxic and damaging even in the smallest amounts, it will be banned. Like asbestos.
Until then it will be observed.
Another way is for the consumer base to force a business to do things like that. As always, money talks and companies will do everything for more sales.
It's good to keep each other in the loop within the community about potential dangers and hazards, because a lot of times bureaucracy and companies wont do it for us.
Great delivery of important information, love your thoroughness and mix of humor, makes for a great watch. Keep the videos coming 😊.
Mighty kind!
I need your OSHA opinion on Lacquer Acrylic hybrids such as Tamiya and GSI Creos Mr. Hobby.
Thanks for the video! I'm currently planing on buying an airbrush and was thinking about chemicals in some of the used substances.
As a former biochemists, I'm a little bit shocked how hard it is to find any SDS sheets from Vallejo (and also other manufacturers). I just found out that Vallejo might reformulated their thinner (and maybe the flow improver too) but I cannot find any current SDS sheets. The one you are showing is from 2015. I wil lreach out to vallejo and aks if the can provide a SDS sheet for the thinner.
And (as already mentioned by another commenter): the chemical in the thinner and the flow improver is the same. So both are toxic if inhaled!
The sheets im showing are the actual ones directly from the officiall vallejo website. So if they have made some changes meanwhile, the files werent updated.
Okey youre chemist im not at all, how come this ingredient is declared in the SDS of the same company with different names? Is there a reason to it?
Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 I just saw on some german shops that they labelled the thinner with "new formula".
Why they used different names is a good question. According to Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008 it should be names as "2-butoxyethanol or ethylene glycol monobutyl ether" But I think that this substance was added in 2022 to the annex VI of the regulation. Might be some older sheets but only vallejo will know (hopefully they know :D). If they changed something they def. should update their sheets!
@@chrisveya7556 Vallejo send me back some new SDS sheets for the thinner and flow improver (pretty quick response time)! They do not contain the mentioned substances anymore. If you have any mail address you can share here, I can send you the new ones (revised in 2022).
Oh wow that was very fast! Youre a hero you can send it to rustyscale@bluewin.ch it would be greately appreciated✊🏻
These labels and names are very confusing to me but as long as they have removed these harmful ingredients, im grateful and will talk about it soon
They are non-toxic in "normal use" I believe is the term
I started building models around the age of 5 in 1971. Yup I’m an old guy. We use enamels then, no one really knew they should have concerns. The older I get the more I wonder about the safety of products we use. Thank you so much for doing the research for us like this I must admit I wonder but don’t look any further into it 😂. I hope you are also making a video of your P-51 build.
Im really surprised there isnt any declaration on these products, specially on the thinner
Yes, P-51 video is in the making👌🏼😄
always use a spraybooth when airbrushing to suck away most fumes to outside, not recirculate. inhaling paint parts, dust or thinner mist is never a good idea. it might not be harmful instantly, but builds up over times. you could also wear a paint facemask with filters, like most common 3m facemask.
If you consider all paints as unsafe/unhealthy and take precautions, you're safe 👍 but maybe that's because most of us are old scalemodellers that started with thinner based paints.
The smaller the body area such as that of a child or pet the more toxic any chemical becomes. Many chemicals such as acetone have a cumulative effect so a small exposure builds up to toxic levels. Be safe with your hobby.
My rule is to always wear my respirator and have the spray booth fan on when using the airbrush. Regardless of acrylic or chemical based paints. I hope everyone else is doing the same. Stay safe and enjoy the hobby
The term acrylic paint is misused in the modelling community. It seems most people think that acrylic = water based = non toxic. This is false. Tamiya X-XF paints are acrylics, just not water based but alcohol based. Both types of paint contain acrylic resins and having a different solvent does not change this fact. We should handle any paint as dangerous and take necessary safety measures. Health > modelling. Even when hand-brushing enamels/oils etc, we should not leave thinners/solvents open in a closed/non ventilated space.
I believe with the alcohol based ones people are more aware of, with water based its a bit more tricky. You hear the word water and automatically think its completely safe to use
Thanks for the feedback!
I agree. I still use a spray booth and a 3M mask with cartridges. One day, I forgot to put my mask back on after cleaning my airbrush real quick for a color swap, I got such a bad headache afterwards and for a good part of the next day. Did not feel good. Sure, it could have been due to something else, but most likely due to forgetting the mask. Just wanted to add I use all Vallejo and a brew made of their thinner, retarder, and flow improver. Great products though.
tamiya scammed us with their "acrylic" paints, they are not acrylic.
@@mcscalemodeling4984 How are they "scamming" you?
@@rictube4716 by making us believe they are acrylic waterbased paints.
Excellent video, research, and commentary. I use Vallejo Model Air paint too. Occasionally Tamiya spray cans. My homemade spray booth works quite well when airbrushing or using spray cans. Will also use a N-95 dust mask. Take care!
Mighty kind, thanks for the feedback!
It’s not so much the solids in the paint. It’s the VOCs. Volatile, Organic, Compounds aka solvents that are the killers ! The biggest destroyer of lungs is two component compounds. Isocyanates !
I remember when Vallejo Model Color had natural pigments in them like cobalt and such. They had to have warnings on the bottle, because it was in it, but it was such a small amount that you would have had to ingest about a 100litres or more of it to be of any minor nuisance
You are still only using a very small amount of Valleo thinner.
But with any paint when you are spraying, should be in a spray booth, and wearing a respirator, regardless of the the type of paint used
I think every ingredient which can be harmful to health should declared as such. Even if its in very small dosages. Just to raise the awareness
Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 I think if it is proven that it is under acceptable thresholds, than legally they don't have to, right or wrong is just a matter of personal opinion at that point.
Could just be a matter of time before it too gets reformulated, if the EU keeps banning the chemicals used in paint manufacturing. Hence why Vallejo has had to reformulate both the Game Color line and the Model Color line, as well as other paint manufacturers having to reformulate their lines
Only if you don't consider them beverages instead of a lifestyle...
You are not totally off but you are seemingly lacking the background knowledge to correctly interpret the data you have shown. The safety data sheets mostly report information about hazard, i.e. if it says compound X is harmful when inhaled then this is a general property. However, what is actually important is the risk which is the combination of hazard and exposure. Just ask yourself if the acute or chronic effect thresholds are met in your case: if you spray a few drops of thinner per week in your basement, you will most likely be fine because the dose is just too low to do anything. If, on the other hand, you take up sniffing airbrush thinner as a recreational past-time, then this might be bad for your health in multiple ways. The same goes for pigments - if there is too much in the air, then it's bad. The same goes for all other things, of course. Just as Paracelus said: "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison." Hope that helps.
Example exposure calculation for the airbrush thinner: Long-term exposure limit for workers is around 100 mg/m³ of air for inhalation. Assuming the room you are in has a floor size of 10 m², this represents an air volume of ~25 m³. There is up to 10% of 2-butoxyethanol in thinner. If the room has NO ventilation and you begin spraying, one would need to spray at least 25 g of thinner to reach the occupational limit value. Probably considerably more under realistic conditions, because the thinner will mostly land on the model with the color and there will (hopefully) some kind of ventilation. Also the long-term/chronic threshold may not be the right value to look at, but acute may be more relevant. Anyhow: taking care of ventilation and redirecting or filtering aerosols is ALWAYS a good idea.
Yes you are absolutely right. My main focus was to know if there are any toxic ingredients in these products which arent declared on the bottles. And if yes, which type of chemicals are these.
Thanks for the feedback!
I have two of those inexpensive spray booths and I think they are worth the money. There are more expensive units out there and different types of vent systems but for the money they’re pretty good
Because i mostly build and therefore spray 1/72 scale models i think such a inexpensive one should be absolutely sufficient
Thanks for the feedback!
I built my own from an old fan, some 1 eur alu tubing for exhaust and a mask at the end for a filter. Total cost: less than 10 eur.
Surprisingly, I never grew tumors having worked around Fluorocarbon metal coating and soaked up its solvent, Methyl-Ethyl Ketone, for 1.5 years at one of my less-glamorous dead-end jobs. I'm sure the PM Acetate and other organic solvents should've aged me in dog years, too.
Luckily!
Acrylic resin particulates aren't toxic? What about all the N-Butyldiamine in Tamiya Paint Retarder and X-20 thinner? It's no lacquer thinner, but I'm sure it's not isopropyl alcohol, either in terms of toxicity or carcinogenic or teratogenic effects, either. I bet Mr. Rocket Thinner and Mr. Tool Cleaner aren't very healthy, either...
That's Tamiya, not Vallejo
@@viper29castill an acrylic resin paint.
@@CFster no, no it isn't. Not even close
@@viper29ca yes, yes it is. Tamiya is an acrylic resin binder in an alcohol/water carrier. An emulsion acrylic. Vallejo is an acrylic resin binder in a water carrier. Also an emulsion acrylic. Oniy the carrier is different.
I know from hauling these type of paints from coast to coast. When I had to pick up a load of paint,I had to plackerd the load as dangerous and flammable. This depended on the amount and there containers. I know that when I had to haul it I had to carry msd sheet as well as placking the load. So in my mind this is toxic to a point. In the amount that a modeler uses it is not according to epa or ohsa due to part per million. 😊
Yes luckily we use it very small doses and even mix and dilute it more.
👍🏻
The airbrush cleaners that are sold are another issue i suspect. I picked up a few and some really get to me and i can barely breath and that's when using the paint booth with the fan on.
Oh something i havent considered yet. Thanks for the hint👍🏻
Interesting video. I've just checked the labels on my Vallejo cleaner, thinner and flow improver - nothing, The label on some recently purchased "Medea" airbrush cleaner (made by Iwata) however warns of "cancer and reproductive harm" !!!! I mentioned this to my modelling club who advised "it's those Californians - they worry about everything".....🤔
What a calming explanation of the cancer warning😅
Thanks for the feedback!
@@chrisveya7556 Can't chat - did some painting and now not feeling well......!
I liked painting more before needing SDS for everything.
I just realised these SDS are worthy to consider. I know the concentration is low as well as the time of exposure, i just think it wouldnt hurt to declare these type of chemicals on the product.
Thanks for the feedback!
Glycol ether, oooh boy. Just don't huff a Hunter S. Thompson Gonzo dose, or you'll be in Bat Country in no time.
🦇😅😅
Hopefully this will go viral.
@@electrictrojan6719 i totally agree!
Your Shelves of Shame remind me of my own.
😅
I couldn’t care less if they are so called toxic, The only thing i care about is how well the paint performs…. Period
Have fun with heart disease / lung disease and the list goes on. Also as he said the health of our children is important and their lungs, blood vessels actually can’t take as much as adults can and is up to 20x more harmful to kids. It is proven- you sound like a dumb person tbh.
@@BattleBrotherCastenthats total bs.. been painting floquil and older hobby enamels for decades no problems and now its this greeny paint? I even painted epoxys on real aircraft in the navy and no problems. You live in the chicken little world
@@tomspettel3646 my old man was in the Air Force. He had the same attitude. Died at 62 from colon cancer directly linked to the chemicals he was exposed to in the Air Force. Your view that other people are 'chicken little' doesn't take into account the suffering they have witnessed. If you can't understand the science behind it, maybe don't comment.
@@N17C1 the chems used in the military are very different than the hobby paints there trying to ply people for maybe you think about that first before bring chicken little
@@N17C1 looks like you missed the point. The chems in the military are very toxic. Saying these hobby paints are somehow any where close to that is ridiculous considering the hobby paints used just a few years ago that were far superior to any of this stuff thats called paint now and second dont any of you use a paint booth or like we did when we were younger spray paint it out side.
eating mcdonald’s is more dangerous
@@83studios depending on the length of exposition to it😅
Please show me the data