This kind of stuff makes me so mad. They act like dad is just the babysitter until mom gets her shit together. And how dare mom try to come at him that way when he literally saved the day when she couldn’t even save herself.
She hasn’t done one supervised visitation, completely unwound and wants custody now?? Heck no. Especially since she admitted she relapses every 6 months.
Evans is such a standup guy I’ve commented this multiple times now. You can tell he takes the law & fairness very seriously & I have a ton of respect for him for that.
Returning any of the children to this mother would be disastrous for them. She made choices to put substances over her children. While I commend her for working for sobriety she still made those choices. She has been absent and is still fresh in recovery, I totally disagree with this decision.
Thank u so much for case updates as I can’t imagine how challenging it is to keep up with case follow-up’s and case dockets. Excellent pop up notes throughout the video too.
Thank you, very much! I have several large notebooks just full of the names and dates of everyone on the docket, and that's just for this courtroom! I have even more notebooks for the rest. It keeps me very busy that's for sure but I really like being able to give you as much of the case as I can find. I'm really glad you enjoy my work!
And doesn’t this judge remember ANYTHING regarding the multiple times this woman has appeared in court and he’s had to explain the same damn thing regarding the restraining order? She is literally using the exact same excuse every time she appears before him, that she hadn’t seen her kids because she doesn’t understand the restrictions in the restraining order…smh!!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that this woman doesn’t really want to see the kids and she keeps blaming the protection order on it because she brings it up every time and every time she doesn’t see the kids I don’t know!
Always gets me when a person doesnt do what they are supposed to do and are still granted more time. She only had one day to respond, so they gave her 3 more weeks. She didnt respond and was given more time. This woman is rude and hateful.
Yeah I had a similar issue. The other side was supposed to get updating affidavits within a certain time. I got mine in way before then. They were given more time but never handed anything in 🙄
While judges and courts are supposed to follow laws and rules, every judge is different and can implement different things in different ways. I hope you were able to resolve whatever case you had, court really sucks lol!
Yep. My friend went through that. Ex called and reported her for drug use. Cps opened a case on both. She passed all tests but the father failed all then skipped. They didn't do anything to him. He failed for pills then just skipped 11 tests in a row. Cps threw their hands up in the air and closed the case. Court gave them joint custody and joint timeshare
She hasn't proven a damn thing. This is why men walk away..... Fathers are just as important if not more so depending on the stage. This mother has shown she has NO interest in her older girls. What a pathetic POS
And the judge didn’t get the video request was about the other man that the judge said couldn’t be at the house with the girls. I noticed the GAL was shaking her head no when the mom brought that up. I hope the mom doesn’t try to sneak that in because she can say the judge didn’t say no if she gets caught doing it. Is the mom paying support?
@@wendyadamek2198 we're not watching the same case, she was drugged out, she didn't exercise visitation, and I never heard him say anything except concerns for the children.
@@wendyadamek2198 so he made her drink and do drugs? He forced her? Or did she make the decision to do those things? What case are you watching, when did they say he made her go to rehabilitation?
I CANT BELIEVE THAT JUSGE GAVE HER EVERY WEEKEND!!! Not ok….. I hope something hasn’t happened Somebody should be filing a motion for an open court period!!!! The public should know because they are always siting cases from different states and years back.
As an addict I can say 84 days IS NOT ENOUGH TIME to get those kids back! I'm sure she's still in treatment and that's the only reason she's clean! She doesn't need to be respectful for kids after not even having 3 months clean yet smh
Addict 3 years in recovery here too- that actually attended family treatment court- and this is absolutely insane to me. 90 days clean you’d be LUCKLY to even have 1 hour unsupervised for real. Luckily for me, my supervisor was my mom and she was also the temporary guardian which made it much easier. But if there was even the slightest issue- no matter how insignificant- they would knock your time down to damn near nothing and you would start your phase all over again. I didn’t have a single overnight with them until I was 10 months clean and that was with 0 setbacks. Washington’s family court is insane. When this woman relapses, and she likely will considering what we’ve seen, that’s only going to further damage these girls. She’s only clean for them and CPS. As you and I know, that’s not enough. You have to want it for yourself or it simply doesn’t work. And she’s made it very clear that she’s only interested in the younger two. This is just freakin sad.
I cannot stand that Judge Karmy made such a stupid ruling in unsupervised visitation with this selfish mother! Why did she even ask the father how he felt if she was going to make this idiotic decision anyway! SMH 🤦🏻♀️
I have seen many, many cases where a parent is getting sober, and they are on supervised visits for 8 months or a year. I can't believe the judge ruled this way, especially since she has none of her children, and she tried to off herself.
Some of these judges don’t have any business being behind a bench when it comes to children. I can’t remember that first judges name, but I am not a fan of his. At all.
This is what happens when judges play musical chairs. This is Judge Karmy's first time hearing this case and she's already changing recently ruled orders. During the last 2 1/2 months of sobriety, mom came up with every excuse to not exercise her visitation rights and complain about her income because her children were removed from her care. Now she's picking which kid she wants back. SMH I don't trust this mom AT ALL. Some parents are require clean hair follicle tests of 6+ months before being granted in person visits. All this mom is doing is UAs and the only reason there are so many is because she's in drug court and they're watching her like a hawk.
I'm very sympathetic to parents getting visitation, but the fact that she thought having a 2 yr old coming for a visit at nearly 8pm was appropriate had me wanting the Judge to demand parenting classes! 😮😮
I cannot possibly relate. I will never understand "mothers" like this. How can you literally turn your back on your flesh and blood - that precious life you carried and birthed - and they don't matter enough for you to do what is required for you to be an intricate part of their lives in every way and on every level NO MATTER WHAT has happened or what you've been through. Life happens - people make mistakes - but the court system, as flawed as it is, lays a road map for you clear as day on how to right those wrongs and get back to your babies, REGARDLESS of how old they are. This is so foreign to me. Shame on her. Edit: after watching the whole thing, I’m hoping mom stays on the path she’s on, and the two parents continue to work better together for the sake of the kids.
Oh Gawd this lady and her never ending yapping!! 🙄😮💨 It’s like she loves hearing herself talk and talk ugh 😫 The judge clearly explains the order word for word then this dummy asks questions about what the judge just said literally seconds before. She needs to clear her mind and ears!!! Her explanations are annoyingly endless!! 🥱😒 That’s probably why Judge Evan’s excused himself 😂
Not a case I was personally involved in, but one of my associates (now junior partner) had a local couple who fostered an infant from the day it (using the word IT, to not possibly identify the people or the child) was born. The birth mother was, and is unfit to be in control over a pet rock, and fought the adoption of the child tooth and nail. The judges in the case were SOOOO lenient, and permitted the birth mother to disrupt hearings, miss deadlines, and file GARBAGE the day of hearings, no show for hearings, be brought to hearings (and zoom) from TWO different state prisons. The foster parents held firmly and continued to fight for THEIR child. More than SEVEN years, birth mother did not complete a single thing on the reunification plan that the fifth judge implemented over objections from the foster parents, judge, after judge, pushed the hearing dates back. Over and over, a judge would order a FINAL hearing, and birth mother would sometimes appear, and have a handful of motions to file that were well past the filing date, and sometime she would no-show, and the foster parents would get an order only for the order to be stayed allowing birth mother to make more frivolous motions. FINALLY, a judge from out of the county was appointed to the case (because birth mother had filed complaints on the others, and made accusations, to where they would recuse). The appointed judge called ALL parties in, and told EVERYONE that they WOULD have all final pleadings, and motions, on his desk in 30 days, and this matter was going to be resolved. The birth mother, as usual, did nothing, and on the hearing day, the appointed judge, started the hearing and birth mother requested a continuance, which the judge denied, she then said that she had motions she had not had time to file, the judge disallowed them, she started with the waterworks, and the judge told her that he had a wife, four daughters, and seven granddaughters, and tears have no effect on him. Throughout the hearing, the birth mother complained that she was being "steamrolled" (she used the term dozens of times). The hearing took three hours, and at the end the judge ordered termination of parental rights and granted the adoption by the foster parents. Birth mother threw a screaming fit and started throwing items at the judge. She was arrested and charged (that charge heard by another judge) and the judge told her that she had 30 days to appeal his decision, and advised her that the 30 day limit was FINAL, so if she wanted to appeal she would need to FILE that within the 30 days time limit. After 90 days, the judge officiated over the adoption of the child. The birth mother found out about the hearing and showed up with the request for appeal. The judge told her that her 30 day time limit had passed. Birth mother said that it was a extraordinary circumstance which permitted 90 days. The judge said 90 days was up last week, I waited for the extraordinary circumstance appeal time to expire before I permitted the adoption. All in all, the parents fought for more than seven years and paid over $100,000 in legal costs (the bulk was paid for by the county). The only good news was that birth mother that had sworn to not give them a moment's peace for "stealing her baby" (she told the court that the child was five years old, when she was seven), months later committed the felony that made her a habitual offender, so that when she is first eligible for release, the child will be 33 years old.
I've been watching these hearings for a while now with mixed emotions. The way they bounce between the commissioners is very frustrating. I definitely disagree with some of their rulings. So glad i don't live in their jurisdiction.
She is using that temp restraining order as an excuse for why she hasnt had any visits with her kids. The courts and the judges have got to get smarter about these things. She was served and if she can read she understood. Constantly bringing it up.
The amount of public assistance and resources being consumed in this matter is absolutely staggering (I’d estimate $750,000 minimum to this point, it’s been years). Consider the Court, CPS, GAL, PCAP, Drug Court, welfare/social security, foster care, counseling services, long term treatment programs, food stamps, public housing, lawyers in her criminal cases (multiple), etc. The cost is on the public, not the “people” who brought these poor kids into the world (four with these two parents, I heard six (?) in the home). Will these children continue this cycle given all the damage this woman does? 84 days is nothing for a long term relapsing addict. This case will be back, won’t take long.
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These hearings are very frustrating! Nothing ever seems to get done.
Not at all. They spend 2 years or more just setting it over and over then judge doesn’t even know what the hearings are for. I’m on the 7th hearing and she still needs to be told about the restraining order. She can have contact. Good lord.
Well, theoretically we are a classless society. We did away with nobles, so it seems logical that a consequence of that is the inevitable end of nobility. There are no paragons of virtue to aspire to, and if there were we would hate them for being better men.
It's always been this way, it's only since the last 10 years (especialyl the last 4) where we actually SEE what is going on. I did some clerk work when I had the idea of studying law, people always have acted the way, especially in family matters. I can understand that to a certain extent as it is a highly emotional contentious situation, and even moreso if non represented. Nothing happened but for people to get a glimbs into the courtroom, one many did not see.
I’m so surprised that the judge didn’t do a step up system with reintroducing to mom. She hasn’t followed through with a single supervised visitation, hasn’t seen the kids in months, and she immediately gets unsupervised every weekend?? Especially when Mom straight up told the judge that she wasn’t comfortable having all 3 kids at once for fear or being overwhelmed and relapsing?? Why wouldn’t we wait to do unsupervised visits until after the GAL does her investigation?? This judge is clearly a pro-mom judge with tunnel vision.
Agreed I’m confused, Washington state judges are horrible, every hearing was screwed up . Then last female judge just hands child over to addict. What could go wrong? Mama could have a drug dealer over or addict around this little girl. Mom who attempted suicide could decide to hurt child. But our great government is paying for this addicts existence . Maybe if benefits were temporary and person forced to work things would change. Working can give you a sense of accomplishment and a purpose. Also could probably get college or trade school for free.
What a waste of court time. These type hearings need to get streamlined. No wonder why parents and child(ren) don't have any trust in the judicial system. 😢
She is so full of it. She didn’t make contact bc she was in the throes of her addiction. The judge has gone over it multiple times. She just making excuses
1:09:32 they were here for the GAL report. I guess the judge just wanted GAL time because she didn’t even get to go over it. Good grief. This frustrated me. I get he has a lot of cases but come on. It’s just waste of tax payers dollars. I’m frustrated. Then he forgets that there is a RO. And come on dad. Tell them why you’re there!
@@rachellemar111 oops, I guess I should have taken where they were into account. In Texas, you can get birth control and condoms for free at pland parenthood and crisis pregnancy centers and a ton of OBGYN offices.
Seriously she gets every weekend on 84 days sober 😂 that's a joke bro. Judge should be thinking about THE GIRLS not " mother" just FYI I lost my kids twice I have 8.5 years clean from a 20 year herion and other drugs clean. I went thru drug court i did mental health court and aa na and I can tell u no way is she ready have them every weekend she is talking about having the guy who isn't the 2 yr olds father but was there to have contact already wanting to confuse that baby even more. smh I am.all for women supporting women but this judge is ridiculous she is focused on the mom way more then the little girls truly disgusting
Yes! I was creeped out about that too! I couldn't believe when I heard her spitting on about some guy who wanted to come hang out, that the daughter knows him like her father. If that was the case, why didn't the real dad pipe up and tell the judge that the guy was okay? Probably because he was too busy running his neck at the chick in the car with him. Regardless, the "mom" in this case was using all the newly sober and in-treatment buzzwords, sh!t us addicts learn that our counselors, judges, the cops, love to hear, and once we learn how much better they think we are by using those terms, we tend to latch on to saying them---only thing different about this ditch-pig is that she really just sounded just as ignorant as she did BEFORE drug court! And, did you see her gut from the side? Holy WOW! I would have taken her drug of choice to be 211's with a Hurricane chaser! 😂 But, in all seriousness, good for you, getting clean from the dirt is no joke. I've only had to kick about 700 times myself before it stuck. And thank God because with this fentanyl business, I know I'd fall on love with it, and be dead.
So she wants to separate the girls from each other - that is a mother thinking about herself instead of the kids. Separation of siblings is traumatic for kids.
Her obsession with this restraining order despite it being explained to her numerous times is quite annoying. If a simple phone call is viewed by her as "disturbing the peace" maybe she needs to reevaluate her communication manner.
I really like Ms. Turnbull. She's super smart and is really good at her job...and she's really pretty too 😊 This mom...it's hard for me on this one. I know addiction first hand, and I'm an addiction counselor as well. So I know how hard it is to be wrapped up in the court system while trying to get clean and do the right thing. It's SO hard. So much stress, which is so triggering in early recovery. Where I'm torn is how disrespectful she is at certain times. She constantly interrupts and even cursed at the judge. That's not okay. I understand being frustrated when you have to clean up a mess that your own addiction caused, but you can't take that frustrating or in other people...especially if they are trying to help you.
Every time I listen to Washington state family court I’m amazed how screwed up the system is. To praise a drug addict for being clean a short period of time and watching the mom addict manipulate the system. She pretends not to understand the system or orders and Judges play into it. I’m disappointed in GAL seems she doesn’t really care about children, my guess not paid. What’s clear is court system is broken and doesn’t protect children
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this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think both mom and dad need to get their shit together. They both fail to respond to motions. they both miss court hearings. they both fail to respond to GAL.
28:33 I feel like her posture really tells us a lot. The one time I’ve been in court, to serve on jury, I was sure to present myself as politely and respectfully as I could. The improper posture even when talking, the tone she takes… it reveals a lot and no matter how emotionless we think judges should be, we’re all humans - and the judges will feel a certain way about her behavior.
These people are in court, why are they not forced to have their camera on. If you don't have a camera or have it on they should be considered to be in contempt.
21:32 Eww she sounds exactly like my aunt. She’s such a sweet, loving person when she’s sober BUT totally different story when she’s drinking 🍷 ugh she becomes the most cruelest, meanest, stubborn, professional victim person ever! Obviously nobody goes around her when she’s this way especially her husband! Looks like this lady is the same exact way. She must have such a lonely life!
The " Mother " is so rude she over talks the Judge especially the very soft spoken and polite judge. She always says one more question one more clarification at the end of each hearing. She has had so many opportunities and never mind how these babies are affected it's all about the " Mother"
Most courts are back to in person but they offer Zoom as an alternative way to attend hearings. But if you abuse it theyll require you in person. Really depends on the court as they all have their own rules.
@@amber_Forever16 That's what judge Haan said on Tuesday. But, I still have a good 100 interesting cases of different lengths in my archives so don't start crying over the bow tie yet. We still have plenty more judge Evans still to come. This is where my archive comes in handy!
Notice the men judges said a No, then the woman judge comes in and gives EVERY WEEKEND. If it was a MAN it would be every other weekend😮 if that coming off meth😢 that's more than(standard visitation) wtf
System is quite vulnerable when the judge that is the sole administrator of drug court also is administrator in family court, as both types of cases tend to last over longer periods and quite a lot of family court cases also involves drug court for one of both parents, hence family cases get juggled around between different administrators. System would be less vulnerable with at least two administrators in drug court.
so that first order said that mom had both girls, with dad having visitation. But they seem to think that dad has them instead. how could they get so confused without another order to make that change?? (dad confessed that he didn't have another order). but the judge avoids mentioning that again. as i don't think he wants to even deal with it. LOL
To me 83 days is not several months it's almost 3 months that is too soon for her to have the responsibility of all those girls she's still going back and forth to court she tried to kill herself the woman should be able to see her kids and love her kids but she has to love herself first and get strong and get herself a strong support system around her and I wish her all the best
Jesus this lady is a mess, she has one court case involving 2 children, then she has another court case involving another child and then she has a CPS case involving a FOURTH child?! Does she have more kids and do any of are any of her kids NOT involved in a case?
I have concerns with mothers relationship with her ex and how she stated that he's the only father that that daughter has ever known. I honestly think she is going to try to cut that out of the picture all together.
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The mother is unhinged.
Also can i just say, that the first judge, for an older gentleman, is so handsome. He has a really nice face. :)
This kind of stuff makes me so mad. They act like dad is just the babysitter until mom gets her shit together. And how dare mom try to come at him that way when he literally saved the day when she couldn’t even save herself.
Did you watch the video at all?
She hasn’t done one supervised visitation, completely unwound and wants custody now?? Heck no. Especially since she admitted she relapses every 6 months.
Evans is such a standup guy I’ve commented this multiple times now. You can tell he takes the law & fairness very seriously & I have a ton of respect for him for that.
From the cases I’ve seen he usually just kicks the can down the road to the next judge.
Case at 40 some minutes in after she lost child support all of sudden she can make that court date.
@@karenpiermarini3628 a lot of the judges do I’ve noticed
"i deal with CPS on the daily" isn't something to say so nonchalantly. GEEZ
Yeah! It's not something to brag about! WTF?
Returning any of the children to this mother would be disastrous for them. She made choices to put substances over her children. While I commend her for working for sobriety she still made those choices. She has been absent and is still fresh in recovery, I totally disagree with this decision.
"There's no kids in the home so there's no income." Yikes.
@@denisemarsh8725 totally disgusting! GET A JOB
What a horrible order. Two months of sobriety? That's "proof" to the court??
Thank u so much for case updates as I can’t imagine how challenging it is to keep up with case follow-up’s and case dockets. Excellent pop up notes throughout the video too.
Thank you, very much! I have several large notebooks just full of the names and dates of everyone on the docket, and that's just for this courtroom! I have even more notebooks for the rest. It keeps me very busy that's for sure but I really like being able to give you as much of the case as I can find. I'm really glad you enjoy my work!
@@lookingatlegalstuff You're absolutely incredible!!❤
How many times does she need to be told about the restraining order. This judge needs to tell her.. “I’ve explained this 7 hearings now”
And doesn’t this judge remember ANYTHING regarding the multiple times this woman has appeared in court and he’s had to explain the same damn thing regarding the restraining order?
She is literally using the exact same excuse every time she appears before him, that she hadn’t seen her kids because she doesn’t understand the restrictions in the restraining order…smh!!!
Omg yes, I was about to say that. He told her how many times now.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this woman doesn’t really want to see the kids and she keeps blaming the protection order on it because she brings it up every time and every time she doesn’t see the kids I don’t know!
Always gets me when a person doesnt do what they are supposed to do and are still granted more time. She only had one day to respond, so they gave her 3 more weeks. She didnt respond and was given more time. This woman is rude and hateful.
Yeah I had a similar issue. The other side was supposed to get updating affidavits within a certain time. I got mine in way before then. They were given more time but never handed anything in 🙄
While judges and courts are supposed to follow laws and rules, every judge is different and can implement different things in different ways. I hope you were able to resolve whatever case you had, court really sucks lol!
Put the differences to the side and do what is best for the kids😇
Yep. My friend went through that. Ex called and reported her for drug use. Cps opened a case on both. She passed all tests but the father failed all then skipped. They didn't do anything to him. He failed for pills then just skipped 11 tests in a row. Cps threw their hands up in the air and closed the case. Court gave them joint custody and joint timeshare
She hasn't proven a damn thing. This is why men walk away..... Fathers are just as important if not more so depending on the stage. This mother has shown she has NO interest in her older girls. What a pathetic POS
And the judge didn’t get the video request was about the other man that the judge said couldn’t be at the house with the girls. I noticed the GAL was shaking her head no when the mom brought that up. I hope the mom doesn’t try to sneak that in because she can say the judge didn’t say no if she gets caught doing it. Is the mom paying support?
You can obviously agree!! BUT, DADDY IS DIRTY AND SO IS STEPMOMMY
@wendyadamek2198 mom is a lying drug addict that has lost custody of all of her kids.
Ridiculous that mom was given every weekend visitation. A father would have had 6 months of step-up visitation. Then ever other week at most.
@wendyadamek2198 how do u know?
She is 1000% going to turn the kids against him once she gets unsupervised visits 😢
Yeah, she gets “sober” and comes with a bunch of allegations towards dad. Ugh Idky I watch these. They just get me curated a mad. lol
As she should!! Absolutely he did it before she did!! Tit for tat
Hes the reason shesvin rehab++
@@wendyadamek2198 we're not watching the same case, she was drugged out, she didn't exercise visitation, and I never heard him say anything except concerns for the children.
@@wendyadamek2198 so he made her drink and do drugs? He forced her? Or did she make the decision to do those things? What case are you watching, when did they say he made her go to rehabilitation?
I hate when judge's allow folks to leave the camera off. In my opinion there's a reason for not showing their face and its usually not a good one.
When one party isn’t prepared the court just pushes the case back. They should just loose the case.
this court system really needs to improve their notes or communication or *something*
I CANT BELIEVE THAT JUSGE GAVE HER EVERY WEEKEND!!! Not ok….. I hope something hasn’t happened Somebody should be filing a motion for an open court period!!!! The public should know because they are always siting cases from different states and years back.
As an addict I can say 84 days IS NOT ENOUGH TIME to get those kids back! I'm sure she's still in treatment and that's the only reason she's clean! She doesn't need to be respectful for kids after not even having 3 months clean yet smh
Addict 3 years in recovery here too- that actually attended family treatment court- and this is absolutely insane to me. 90 days clean you’d be LUCKLY to even have 1 hour unsupervised for real. Luckily for me, my supervisor was my mom and she was also the temporary guardian which made it much easier. But if there was even the slightest issue- no matter how insignificant- they would knock your time down to damn near nothing and you would start your phase all over again. I didn’t have a single overnight with them until I was 10 months clean and that was with 0 setbacks. Washington’s family court is insane. When this woman relapses, and she likely will considering what we’ve seen, that’s only going to further damage these girls. She’s only clean for them and CPS. As you and I know, that’s not enough. You have to want it for yourself or it simply doesn’t work. And she’s made it very clear that she’s only interested in the younger two. This is just freakin sad.
The last judge should beware. Drug addicts know what is needed to be said. She's vindictive towards the one childs dad.
I cannot stand that Judge Karmy made such a stupid ruling in unsupervised visitation with this selfish mother!
Why did she even ask the father how he felt if she was going to make this idiotic decision anyway!
SMH 🤦🏻♀️
I have seen many, many cases where a parent is getting sober, and they are on supervised visits for 8 months or a year. I can't believe the judge ruled this way, especially since she has none of her children, and she tried to off herself.
Right, 2 months of sobriety is nothing
Some of these judges don’t have any business being behind a bench when it comes to children. I can’t remember that first judges name, but I am not a fan of his. At all.
Sounds like her income is lower since all kids gone... Taxpayer income for her...
This is what happens when judges play musical chairs. This is Judge Karmy's first time hearing this case and she's already changing recently ruled orders. During the last 2 1/2 months of sobriety, mom came up with every excuse to not exercise her visitation rights and complain about her income because her children were removed from her care. Now she's picking which kid she wants back. SMH I don't trust this mom AT ALL. Some parents are require clean hair follicle tests of 6+ months before being granted in person visits. All this mom is doing is UAs and the only reason there are so many is because she's in drug court and they're watching her like a hawk.
I'm very sympathetic to parents getting visitation, but the fact that she thought having a 2 yr old coming for a visit at nearly 8pm was appropriate had me wanting the Judge to demand parenting classes! 😮😮
I cannot possibly relate. I will never understand "mothers" like this. How can you literally turn your back on your flesh and blood - that precious life you carried and birthed - and they don't matter enough for you to do what is required for you to be an intricate part of their lives in every way and on every level NO MATTER WHAT has happened or what you've been through. Life happens - people make mistakes - but the court system, as flawed as it is, lays a road map for you clear as day on how to right those wrongs and get back to your babies, REGARDLESS of how old they are. This is so foreign to me. Shame on her.
Edit: after watching the whole thing, I’m hoping mom stays on the path she’s on, and the two parents continue to work better together for the sake of the kids.
Oh Gawd this lady and her never ending yapping!! 🙄😮💨 It’s like she loves hearing herself talk and talk ugh 😫 The judge clearly explains the order word for word then this dummy asks questions about what the judge just said literally seconds before. She needs to clear her mind and ears!!!
Her explanations are annoyingly endless!! 🥱😒
That’s probably why Judge Evan’s excused himself 😂
This same court goes so hard on Dad's messing up but when mother does it's a different story smh. Shame on that court
Not a case I was personally involved in, but one of my associates (now junior partner) had a local couple who fostered an infant from the day it (using the word IT, to not possibly identify the people or the child) was born. The birth mother was, and is unfit to be in control over a pet rock, and fought the adoption of the child tooth and nail. The judges in the case were SOOOO lenient, and permitted the birth mother to disrupt hearings, miss deadlines, and file GARBAGE the day of hearings, no show for hearings, be brought to hearings (and zoom) from TWO different state prisons. The foster parents held firmly and continued to fight for THEIR child. More than SEVEN years, birth mother did not complete a single thing on the reunification plan that the fifth judge implemented over objections from the foster parents, judge, after judge, pushed the hearing dates back. Over and over, a judge would order a FINAL hearing, and birth mother would sometimes appear, and have a handful of motions to file that were well past the filing date, and sometime she would no-show, and the foster parents would get an order only for the order to be stayed allowing birth mother to make more frivolous motions. FINALLY, a judge from out of the county was appointed to the case (because birth mother had filed complaints on the others, and made accusations, to where they would recuse). The appointed judge called ALL parties in, and told EVERYONE that they WOULD have all final pleadings, and motions, on his desk in 30 days, and this matter was going to be resolved. The birth mother, as usual, did nothing, and on the hearing day, the appointed judge, started the hearing and birth mother requested a continuance, which the judge denied, she then said that she had motions she had not had time to file, the judge disallowed them, she started with the waterworks, and the judge told her that he had a wife, four daughters, and seven granddaughters, and tears have no effect on him. Throughout the hearing, the birth mother complained that she was being "steamrolled" (she used the term dozens of times). The hearing took three hours, and at the end the judge ordered termination of parental rights and granted the adoption by the foster parents. Birth mother threw a screaming fit and started throwing items at the judge. She was arrested and charged (that charge heard by another judge) and the judge told her that she had 30 days to appeal his decision, and advised her that the 30 day limit was FINAL, so if she wanted to appeal she would need to FILE that within the 30 days time limit. After 90 days, the judge officiated over the adoption of the child. The birth mother found out about the hearing and showed up with the request for appeal. The judge told her that her 30 day time limit had passed. Birth mother said that it was a extraordinary circumstance which permitted 90 days. The judge said 90 days was up last week, I waited for the extraordinary circumstance appeal time to expire before I permitted the adoption. All in all, the parents fought for more than seven years and paid over $100,000 in legal costs (the bulk was paid for by the county). The only good news was that birth mother that had sworn to not give them a moment's peace for "stealing her baby" (she told the court that the child was five years old, when she was seven), months later committed the felony that made her a habitual offender, so that when she is first eligible for release, the child will be 33 years old.
They were supposed to go over the GAL report how did none of them knoww that?
22:31 Judge is big mad, I often find he’s overly permissive and patient with interrupting etc so it’s nice to see him be firm!
I've been watching these hearings for a while now with mixed emotions. The way they bounce between the commissioners is very frustrating. I definitely disagree with some of their rulings. So glad i don't live in their jurisdiction.
She is using that temp restraining order as an excuse for why she hasnt had any visits with her kids. The courts and the judges have got to get smarter about these things. She was served and if she can read she understood. Constantly bringing it up.
I wonder if this man ever think about how he loves his childrens but does he ever think that he wish that the mother was someone else.
Captain continuance has a calming voice, but that's as far as my care for him goes lol
Lol captin continuance is the perfect name for him
Or "Judge ASMR" lol
1:24:44 moms relatives shaking their heads. Mom didn't show up like 5 times. Dad has been there every other time... grow up...
lmao "Did you chicken out and leave?" The judge said that for all of us, not just for him.
She is not established in her sobriety. Court fail
The amount of public assistance and resources being consumed in this matter is absolutely staggering (I’d estimate $750,000 minimum to this point, it’s been years). Consider the Court, CPS, GAL, PCAP, Drug Court, welfare/social security, foster care, counseling services, long term treatment programs, food stamps, public housing, lawyers in her criminal cases (multiple), etc. The cost is on the public, not the “people” who brought these poor kids into the world (four with these two parents, I heard six (?) in the home). Will these children continue this cycle given all the damage this woman does? 84 days is nothing for a long term relapsing addict. This case will be back, won’t take long.
These hearings are very frustrating! Nothing ever seems to get done.
Not at all. They spend 2 years or more just setting it over and over then judge doesn’t even know what the hearings are for. I’m on the 7th hearing and she still needs to be told about the restraining order. She can have contact. Good lord.
What is so hard for this mother to understand about the restraining order? Judge clarifies it at each hearing.
I knew our judicial system was a mess but after watching these videos it's in complete chaos.
Yup, So many things, especially in family court desperately need to change. But nobody's in any hurry to change it, and children suffer and worse.
Is there a change to particular state law that you would like to propose?
Horrific woman and I’m amazed at how shitty the system is because the trashbag wasn’t jailed
1:38:55 Yeah she need to wait YEARS YEARS NOT MONTHS
Whatever happened to fair dealing?
And pure ethics
And nice manners?
Why is it everyone now is such a pain in the ass?
Whatever happened to class?
Well, theoretically we are a classless society. We did away with nobles, so it seems logical that a consequence of that is the inevitable end of nobility. There are no paragons of virtue to aspire to, and if there were we would hate them for being better men.
"Progress" is what happened.
When not serving God one serves the self.
Lack of class and lying is rewarded by too many institutions now. So it multiplies.
It's always been this way, it's only since the last 10 years (especialyl the last 4) where we actually SEE what is going on.
I did some clerk work when I had the idea of studying law, people always have acted the way, especially in family matters.
I can understand that to a certain extent as it is a highly emotional contentious situation, and even moreso if non represented.
Nothing happened but for people to get a glimbs into the courtroom, one many did not see.
How about doing what you were supposed to do in the first place lady!?
Must be a stellar mother with having ALL her children
I’m so surprised that the judge didn’t do a step up system with reintroducing to mom. She hasn’t followed through with a single supervised visitation, hasn’t seen the kids in months, and she immediately gets unsupervised every weekend?? Especially when Mom straight up told the judge that she wasn’t comfortable having all 3 kids at once for fear or being overwhelmed and relapsing?? Why wouldn’t we wait to do unsupervised visits until after the GAL does her investigation?? This judge is clearly a pro-mom judge with tunnel vision.
Judge Nelson gets NOTHING DONE! If shit gets difficult he finds a reason to “set aside”
Agreed I’m confused, Washington state judges are horrible, every hearing was screwed up . Then last female judge just hands child over to addict. What could go wrong? Mama could have a drug dealer over or addict around this little girl. Mom who attempted suicide could decide to hurt child. But our great government is paying for this addicts existence . Maybe if benefits were temporary and person forced to work things would change. Working can give you a sense of accomplishment and a purpose. Also could probably get college or trade school for free.
Liberal state
Horrible woman and mother. She's been purposely missing time with her kids so she can get high.
This entire case is like groundhog day for the love of God!!! Good thing the kids aren't in danger! 1:11:07
Hearing 2 is the most snarky and bothered that I've ever seen this judge. Usually nothing ruffles him. Lol
What a waste of court time. These type hearings need to get streamlined. No wonder why parents and child(ren) don't have any trust in the judicial system. 😢
She is so full of it. She didn’t make contact bc she was in the throes of her addiction. The judge has gone over it multiple times. She just making excuses
Is rage-quit a common term? I absolutely love it!
It's a common term in gaming. It's when someone gets so mad at a videogame that they turn it off or quit. It's hilarious to listen to. 😂
How old is Evans? He is so chill and even tempered.
Her questions are not indicating to me she is ready.
1:09:32 they were here for the GAL report. I guess the judge just wanted GAL time because she didn’t even get to go over it. Good grief. This frustrated me. I get he has a lot of cases but come on. It’s just waste of tax payers dollars. I’m frustrated. Then he forgets that there is a RO.
And come on dad. Tell them why you’re there!
Every hearing, she says she doesn't understand the restraining order... It's not that hard to understand.
My God, how hard is it to use a damn condom or birth control!? Hell, you can get them for free!! Quit destroying children! 🤬
Where?
People get pregnant even when using condoms
@@rachellemar111 oops, I guess I should have taken where they were into account. In Texas, you can get birth control and condoms for free at pland parenthood and crisis pregnancy centers and a ton of OBGYN offices.
Seriously she gets every weekend on 84 days sober 😂 that's a joke bro. Judge should be thinking about THE GIRLS not " mother" just FYI I lost my kids twice I have 8.5 years clean from a 20 year herion and other drugs clean. I went thru drug court i did mental health court and aa na and I can tell u no way is she ready have them every weekend she is talking about having the guy who isn't the 2 yr olds father but was there to have contact already wanting to confuse that baby even more. smh I am.all for women supporting women but this judge is ridiculous she is focused on the mom way more then the little girls truly disgusting
Yes! I was creeped out about that too! I couldn't believe when I heard her spitting on about some guy who wanted to come hang out, that the daughter knows him like her father. If that was the case, why didn't the real dad pipe up and tell the judge that the guy was okay? Probably because he was too busy running his neck at the chick in the car with him. Regardless, the "mom" in this case was using all the newly sober and in-treatment buzzwords, sh!t us addicts learn that our counselors, judges, the cops, love to hear, and once we learn how much better they think we are by using those terms, we tend to latch on to saying them---only thing different about this ditch-pig is that she really just sounded just as ignorant as she did BEFORE drug court! And, did you see her gut from the side? Holy WOW! I would have taken her drug of choice to be 211's with a Hurricane chaser! 😂
But, in all seriousness, good for you, getting clean from the dirt is no joke. I've only had to kick about 700 times myself before it stuck. And thank God because with this fentanyl business, I know I'd fall on love with it, and be dead.
So she wants to separate the girls from each other - that is a mother thinking about herself instead of the kids. Separation of siblings is traumatic for kids.
Why does the mother only want the youngest daughter. I really wonder what the story is.
This woman is a mess and should not have contact with any kids, especially her own.
1:09:11 He explained everything to her. She’s using that as an excuse
Extended over and over. That’s just sad and a waste of courts time.
Don't give up!!
Her obsession with this restraining order despite it being explained to her numerous times is quite annoying. If a simple phone call is viewed by her as "disturbing the peace" maybe she needs to reevaluate her communication manner.
I really like Ms. Turnbull. She's super smart and is really good at her job...and she's really pretty too 😊
This mom...it's hard for me on this one. I know addiction first hand, and I'm an addiction counselor as well. So I know how hard it is to be wrapped up in the court system while trying to get clean and do the right thing. It's SO hard. So much stress, which is so triggering in early recovery. Where I'm torn is how disrespectful she is at certain times. She constantly interrupts and even cursed at the judge. That's not okay. I understand being frustrated when you have to clean up a mess that your own addiction caused, but you can't take that frustrating or in other people...especially if they are trying to help you.
3 weeks to do 3 hours of work. I want that job!
That last judge has lost her mind
Every time I listen to Washington state family court I’m amazed how screwed up the system is. To praise a drug addict for being clean a short period of time and watching the mom addict manipulate the system. She pretends not to understand the system or orders and Judges play into it. I’m disappointed in GAL seems she doesn’t really care about children, my guess not paid. What’s clear is court system is broken and doesn’t protect children
By that standard the court has always been "broken" ?
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1:35:45 Nope Don’t let the child move back
this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think both mom and dad need to get their shit together. They both fail to respond to motions. they both miss court hearings. they both fail to respond to GAL.
Thanks LALS !
It was nice of dad to offer to call cps to help mom get her visits cause he dont have to. It's her responsibility
How weird that the dad logged on at the 10th hearing and then logged right back off. It looked spooky.
28:33 I feel like her posture really tells us a lot. The one time I’ve been in court, to serve on jury, I was sure to present myself as politely and respectfully as I could. The improper posture even when talking, the tone she takes… it reveals a lot and no matter how emotionless we think judges should be, we’re all humans - and the judges will feel a certain way about her behavior.
She has already had this explain to her 15 times
These people are in court, why are they not forced to have their camera on. If you don't have a camera or have it on they should be considered to be in contempt.
Stable mom, so msny court cases she cannot keep them straight. Even lost last child. Nice to see parents resolve problems.
21:32 Eww she sounds exactly like my aunt. She’s such a sweet, loving person when she’s sober BUT totally different story when she’s drinking 🍷 ugh she becomes the most cruelest, meanest, stubborn, professional victim person ever! Obviously nobody goes around her when she’s this way especially her husband!
Looks like this lady is the same exact way. She must have such a lonely life!
Maybe don’t give all the details in the description before we see anything.
The " Mother " is so rude she over talks the Judge especially the very soft spoken and polite judge. She always says one more question one more clarification at the end of each hearing. She has had so many opportunities and never mind how these babies are affected it's all about the " Mother"
This is like watching a buch of kids playing a board game ! It not about your paperwork! Its supposed to be about the kids!
Question, when courtrooms return to in person hearings, does that mean that they won't be accessible for us thru TH-cam channels?
Most courts are back to in person but they offer Zoom as an alternative way to attend hearings. But if you abuse it theyll require you in person. Really depends on the court as they all have their own rules.
It says full case but is not?
So are all hearings from this county , now going to be in person? I'll be so sad if we don't see that fancy bow tie anymore 😢
@@amber_Forever16 That's what judge Haan said on Tuesday. But, I still have a good 100 interesting cases of different lengths in my archives so don't start crying over the bow tie yet. We still have plenty more judge Evans still to come. This is where my archive comes in handy!
1:50:51 wow, this case really turned a corner. Good for them
I'm sure these cases are not over with but the guardian of Litem was supposed to make a report and that's why we were here today
Notice the men judges said a No, then the woman judge comes in and gives EVERY WEEKEND. If it was a MAN it would be every other weekend😮 if that coming off meth😢 that's more than(standard visitation) wtf
This judge is spineless.
Family court is a really bad joke and this GAL isn't very good
Our family court system is a mess
System is quite vulnerable when the judge that is the sole administrator of drug court also is administrator in family court, as both types of cases tend to last over longer periods and quite a lot of family court cases also involves drug court for one of both parents, hence family cases get juggled around between different administrators. System would be less vulnerable with at least two administrators in drug court.
so that first order said that mom had both girls, with dad having visitation. But they seem to think that dad has them instead. how could they get so confused without another order to make that change?? (dad confessed that he didn't have another order). but the judge avoids mentioning that again. as i don't think he wants to even deal with it. LOL
To me 83 days is not several months it's almost 3 months that is too soon for her to have the responsibility of all those girls she's still going back and forth to court she tried to kill herself the woman should be able to see her kids and love her kids but she has to love herself first and get strong and get herself a strong support system around her and I wish her all the best
Jesus this lady is a mess, she has one court case involving 2 children, then she has another court case involving another child and then she has a CPS case involving a FOURTH child?!
Does she have more kids and do any of are any of her kids NOT involved in a case?
I have concerns with mothers relationship with her ex and how she stated that he's the only father that that daughter has ever known. I honestly think she is going to try to cut that out of the picture all together.
She was asking for an alternative because she had to pay the professional for their supervision service's?
Why do Ppl wait till last moment to file papers