C.S. Lewis - On Church Music
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Yes, Christianity is about the intentions of the heart more than anything else.
Anglican Church music is excellent.
I like his phrase "shouting music".
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Mr. Lewis's critique seems to apply a lot more to the more protestant end of the denominational spectrum. As a catechumen in the Orthodox church, the fact that virtually the entire liturgy and much of the pre-liturgical matins is almost entirely singing is what draws me to the church so much.
One of the reasons I left the protestant church was because I could no longer stand the irreverent happy-clappy corny songs with insturments that have no business being in a holy place. So, in that aspect I think Mr. Lewis's critique holds up well.
@@unibrowsheepZas a romanian orthodox, I agree with you. In Orthodox Church the music is prayer and most of the prayers are music, so music is an organic, beautiful and very important part of liturgical life. We coudn't imagine it without music. But indeed, the orthodox hyms help you pray, instead of distracting you, as is probably the case in protestant world.
Life Long Learning
Beautiful analysis of the role of music toward God. To me its an expressive subjective art of sound made meaningful, yet also a practical tool to show excellence, improvement, devotion toward what the tool aims at in fulfilling an objective, in this case glorifying God. This can be done beyond sound, such as food, career, manners, cleanliness, and so on, but for music in particular, it shows the importance of communication, of vocal symbolism, in much the same way God spoke the everlasting Word and created the universe, we glorify Him as children attempting a parallel with meaningful sounds which lasts over a duration of time. Though infinitely more feeble than God's own Word, we seek to improve it nonetheless to show our desire to emulate Him in harmony, a chorus that overrides the discord of any individual failings.
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I tend to agree with you on this. I think his heart is in the right place, but he openly admits that he doesn't know a whole lot about music. As both a pianist and an organist who has worked a lot in the church the music seems to be something that most people don't totally agree on.
Uhhhh what is "The Church" that you played organ/piano in... I couldn't disagree more, intact there is no such thing as Piano music or Organ music in *The Church* never has been never will be.
@@Brody-AleksanderMaybe not in your “Church” but it sounds like yours would only be a mockery of the true body of Christ if it produces an attitude of contempt like yours. Hopefully I am incorrect.
@@BECKERWULF not a single gram of contempt brother. Truth speaks boldly with Love. Strange thing to to hope for btw, thankful you are wrong
@@BECKERWULF Ahh yes Apostle John's sonata in D, and John Chrysostom's Organ Compositions
@@Brody-Aleksander David didn't sing his Psalms a cappella. He at least played a harp. A piano is a type of harp or string instrument. An organ is a type of flute or pipe.
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I don't sing in church for the simple reason that I bray like a donkey and since I am not a donkey, it hardly seems that sounding like one is to the glory of God.
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All too often there is excessive music in most churches. Music people tend to assign entirely too high a value to church music , and call themselves the “worship team”. Its music . That is all. Music can be part of worship but is not worship itself. I prefer more teaching/message and less music .
If you understand the role music has in all culture.You would not not say just "music".The primary goal of all music was always in rituals with the purpose of Religion. So you are wrong.
@@simbabwe2907 okay. So you sit through an hour or more of what often looks like self- indulgence - I’ll pass, thanks.
The Bible doesn’t say anything about singing until you are blue in the face as being “worship” itself . We are to worship in spirit and in truth, and obedience over sacrifice.
If music is worship , why are churches so anemic and/ or apostate?
@@nancybaumgartner6774I think it highly fallacious to blame the sad state of many modern churches only on the music. There are many anemic, apostate churches that don't have such music as you describe, whereas there are many thriving, theologivally sound churches that do.
I don't deny it might be a contributing factor, but you'll have to supply stronger evidence of causation or even correlation.
@@nancybaumgartner6774 you clearly did not understand what i said.So read it again.
@@ProfesserLuigi it’s the emphasis placed on music and entertainment in general that I object to.
I do understand your post , and don’t care about music’s “role”: it’s become overly indulged in. You do not have to share my opinion.
who is the reader of these vids?
Oblivion guy
I believe it's Geoffrey Howard.
I am pretty sure it was Ralph Cosham. He was a British actor and narrator of books until his death in 2014. Cosham also recorded under the name Geoffrey Howard.
Use of musical instruments isn’t biblical sound doctrine for worship… it was used under the old law, but not now under the law of Christ.
Where does Scripture ever imply that that would be something which would change?
@@tayh.6235 we are to “Obey the Gospel “ Ask yourself what that means. We are told to listen to Christ, to obey His Word. The NT Always tells Christians to “Sing” no where in the NT does it allow for use of musical instruments. I’m just of the option Christ has the right to dictate how He is worshiped, our feelings about it doesn’t affect Him or what He requires of us
@@DustyRoadz the apostles and other early Christians were still going to the temple to worship. They were accustomed to instrument accompanied worship. If they meant that Christians should worship differently, that would have been mentioned somewhere early on. It wasn't. They also don't tell us to each bring our own copy of the scriptures to services. Do you think that's wrong?
@@tayh.6235 … Once Christ died… His last will and TESTAMENT went into effect. Thats why the change in ceremonial things from OT to the NT. We don’t sacrifice animals either and the apostles were used to that as well, but that was put away as well as all OT ceremonies. God created the voice, man created the instruments that we use. Please post the verse that allows for instruments in musical worship to God. I can post verses( multiple) of the scripture telling us to “SING”. If you even do a basic study of musical instruments in church, you’ll find that NT worship services didn’t have musical instruments. It’s a relatively new thing
@@DustyRoadz my reference is the entire book of Psalms
Fewer, better, and shorter hymns. Lol
Equivocating a lot
You commented on a 13+ minute video 3 minutes after it was published, if the information provided by TH-cam is correct. Why not listen to all of it before commenting?
Interesting. But terse. Could you elaborate please?
Enjoyable but the reader is boring to listen to
Brother Jauffre is an excellent orator.
I quite agree., but I put up with it. I don'tlisten to those talks I have in print,
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