How does a poker player tell you he's gonna bring his own deck (as if that's the hard part in a poker game) and that doesn't instantly set off alarm bells in your head?
"Can I bring my own deck?" "What like for cardistry and shit? ye just make sure it of those colorful trick looking one's so it don't get mixed up with the real deck" "I mean to play with" "Sorry what"
it goes something like "I'll come to your home game and bring a million dollars. how do I know your decks aren't rigged can I bring my own and we rotate?"
How about ifnypu play for a ridiculous sums just bring unopened new box of decks each time and opm then there infront of everyone...problem solved. Smh
When somebody shows up to your super high stakes private poker game with their own special deck of cards they insist on using. You may want think about why.
I wouldn't trust a damn soul who is looking to take a million dollars from me. Even if they are doing it straight up they are doing it using learned lying skills and so many gamblers are truly degenerates who would sell their mom for a buy-in.
Private Games in Los Angeles in my 35 year history of playing are FILLED with negative stories about cheating, follow home robberies, colluding, marked cards, etc.... The last time I played a private game was in 2005 when I was robbed of my $20K profit PLUS my original $10K after a Chatsworth California private game. It was a Set up and I learned my lesson.
Yeah, high stakes private games are a huge risk man. unless they are backed by some kind of underworld crime organization or something who will kill whoever cheats/robs the game its not worth it. It's just too easy to cheat in private games . Even online poker has its scam stories. Outside the casino it's too easy to cheat. I've played poker in jail , I've seen the things people will risk and do for less than 200$ - imagine what criminals would do for millions
@@rageius I got cheated twice for what I would consider small stakes in private games. Plus I have met a card Mechanic and seen what they can do. At least I have a chance of the Casino catching them. If people are smart about it. It's nearly impossible to spot or do anything about by the time you realize what happened.
If there's money involved, people are going to try to find ways to cheat you out of it. When you consider people these days will cheat just to get on the leaderboard of a free online game, adding money on fuels the incentive. We had a couple of guys marking cards in Tampa and everyone excused their winning in odd spots as them just playing wild and crazy. The room manager even told me they used a burn card, how could these guys possibly know the runouts? Well, they were marking the outside edges of the cards based on the values of the cards. And one of them always sat in seat 1 so he could see the side of the deck and know if it favored low, middle or high cards and they'd play accordingly (this was in PLO, not hold em)
@@tchombre1992 was at TGT. Two Cubans always sat seats 1 and 6 so they could pinch people between them They couldn't know suits, but they'd know if the flop favored high, middle or low runouts They were caught there, Best Bet Jacksonville, Chasers in NH, Commerce in LA, someplace in TX too They never tried at the Hard Rock as far as I know, never saw them there
I think it was David Blain on Rogan that said there were certain card games where the cheaters would replace all the decks at local gas stations with marked cards. So unwittingly an innocent player would go to one of these gas stations, buy a "clean" deck and introduce the poisoned marked deck into the game thus aiding the cheater.
I’ll never understand how dumb people can be. “Hey guy we need a new deck to a game we invited you to, there’s a Chinese store a block down the road, get a new set of cards for us.”
@@americansantacruz6080Yeah I understood the concept, but couldn't see someone being that desperate for a new player that they would go out and get all new decks for ONE person.
It's not hard or expensive to buy 5 new decks of cards & open and prove them in front of the players. Any game where the deck is open before the first hand is no good.
what does the plastic prove opening a brand new deck? its pretty easy to mark cards then re wrap them lol for all we know they did open the "marked cards" and thought they were brand new
I've been dealing poker for over 30 years and I contend that there's more cheating now than ever before and that includes card rooms and casinos! Everyone should put black lights over their cards just to see if there's dauber or anything else on them
Doug was very clear about his opinion on the Garrett incident, he said in his opinion its very likely cheating happened. I see it the same way, she obviously cheated him in some way. That call just isn't a thing.
@@FacTV- I honestly think Garrett is right. Calling all in with jack 4 off is something youd only do if you knew you were ahead. She got greedy and saw an opportunity to steal his chips but didnt realise in doing so she exposed the whole scheme. It's only a call a person who knew they were ahead would make. Nic airball is likely in on it also by how hard he defended her in the aftermath. Hes either a turbo simp or he was in on their scheme
@@2smokey69 very true he does look like one but we must remember his dad is almost definitely bankrolling him. His dad is unbelievably rich. Nik will have a week where he loses a mil and be back next week like it's nothing. Whilst he may be simping robbi is fit I seriously doubt in the vegas scene there arent tons of girls looking to latch on to a rich daddy's money man like him. I just dont see why hed need to simp for her. I think personally they had a scheme running to make back money on the sly over time so they knew when their ace jack was facing down a ace ten or worse the ace queen and would know to fold at the correct times to mitigate damage over time since theyll play for days in these cash games.
These kids are thinking this is new. They know very little about the dark side. I don’t play poker so it doesn’t affect me. I’m old and have been around is all
In 2006 there was a man living in my apartment playing on pokerstars. This man was in contact with 3 other people at the same time in different countries and they were playing at the same table. He thought I was completely ignorant about poker and that pehaps I didn't know what was going on. together they won about 450,000 euros. They used to laugh and joke and say how easy it was to do. They would tell each other what cards they had. I could hear the whole conversation from my room. true story.
We all know nic was in on the cheating with robbi with how hard he defended her. She just fucked up and exposed their cheating method by way of robbi calling that all in with jack 4 off. She knew she was ahead but made a move only someone who knew that would make. Hes got no grounds to claim people are cheating when hes best friends with one of the biggest cheats out there
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 well not wholly wrong but if you dont think airballs behaviour was extremely sus around the robbi scandal I dont know how I can help you 😂
@@hugovaz777 no hes not. As far as I'm aware his dad got him a banking job out of school which he did for a few years then became a pro poker player. It's that very reason people know where he has all his money to lose with because his dads incredibly wealthy
I was recently playing at a home game tournament and when we combined the two tables down to the final table one of the players mentioned to another player that he didn't remember him having so many chips. And the guy says "oh, well, my friend is too tired to play anymore so he gave me his chips. I was going to tell everyone before the final table got started." True story.
Nick V is the infamous real estate scammer. hcl invites more scammer than any other stream with nick v being the leader. People tends to ignore the fact that nick v was a scammer.
I just read that stuff online about Nick V being a real estate scammer, I'm surprised people play in that game, maybe Garrett is right after all, this shits crazy😮
While I agree a high stakes private game if these aren’t your buddies from high school is always at risk, you still have to watch out for collusion at card rooms. There are several ways that even as few as three guys playing together can really change the outcome over a several hour session. Just having a partner or two run up pots where it makes your implied pot odds out of wack can really change your night. A partner who signals that they had the case Ace or king could be really important information. And it’s hard to argue against a playing with players who know each other. Hell, that’s often half the fun at a table.
I had a friend a long time ago, his Dad used to play illegal cash games in Sydney in the early 2000s. One night the guard on the door 'accidentally' let a couple ofvisitors in armed with shotguns into the game and they cleared out the table, about 60k. ouch....
Its insane to me that private games ever came back after the option of above board/safe/regulated games in card rooms became a thing. I understand why the sharks wanted exclusive access to fish, but why do the fish show up?
maybe the fish want to prove that they can hang on that higher level, or they've put in money for lessons or tutors. Some ppl are just rich and they love that atmosphere...or sometimes the dynamic of beating someone skill lvl's above you is tempting ...like so many normal ppl tried to beat Mj in a 1v1 basketball game...some ppl like playing with their idols...heck alot of regular basketball players tried to beat Brian Scalabrene if you know who that is in a 1v1, he was a role player and they though because he was on the bottom of the barrell in the NBA that they could easily beat him ...and boy thats a funny video to watch sometimes "im closer to Lebron than you are to me" xD ig since poker does involve putting in your own money you'd think why would ppl throw it away, but ppl that have money like that to throw away choose to take the chance, just like playing slots or scratch offs lol...yk you'll prob lose but what if or why not...its exciting...i mean shit buying yachts and mansions gets boring after a while i guess...why not play poker vs some pros
I just don't believe that Another player from the Hustler Stream is proven to be an Absolute Dirtbag/Cheater. If you're a Regular on that stream, do you have to be a Criminal, Cheater, Drug Dealer or Flim Flam Man??
The entire poker ecosystem is full of these shady characters and outright thieves, who would gladly steal from their own mother's (and probably do). Nobody should be shocked by "cheating scandals", or finding out their favorite player on stream is a garbage human that cheats and angles any chance they get - they just do it with a smile and nice fingernails. I stopped playing many many years ago because I hated being around these types of people, they are just scum.
Thanks for making this entertaining… it hid how painful this all was. I must say it is getting more and more difficult to see poker as more than just entertainment these days.
How can you not be suspicious the second a guy wants to play with a specific deck of cards that he has brought, rather than a random, freshly opened deck?
The poker world is full of shady dudes. Shawn Sheikhan Sentenced to Four Years in Prison for Illegal Cannabis Business is just another no- surprise story.
I have not played a single home game in Austin in 12 yrs living here. But i have several friends who ran home games. One from the lodge, Berney Miller (rip) an old timer you have heard stories of, he used to run the home games before the lodge existed told me some stories of what they did to cheaters back in the wild west. Too bad he had to fall off that damn ladder. I miss seeing him show up to the lodge with 2 hot strippers having them 3b shove on everyone. Rip 🙏
@dougpolkpoker you should get a wall poster of Bernie Miller. Ask around about him. He ran the teravista games. One of the founding members of the lodge. Just a thought. Celebrate some of the lodge ogs.
Hey Doug, I’m new to the channel, I just wanted to let you know your content is amazing and the way you deliver all the information from both sides is genuinely fair and unbiased which allows the viewer to easily form their own opinion. Thank you for great presentation and I look forward to watching more of your great content!
I'm still shocked how the poker community was let down by the J4 hand. With all this time that has past, looking back it's obvious what happened. She didn't know his hand but she knew she had the best hand by a signal, hence the impossible call, and too novice a player to know not to call given what it would look like, hence the return of chips after the call was made. And let's just follow that up with a criminal working for HCL with access to hole cards on that night taking money off her and only her stack. And the poker community gave her an AWARD lol..
Doug I run a rake free game in NY with a group for over 20 years. We have experienced players cheating from time to time but it’s very rare. It’s unfortunate and disappointing but for the most part with known friends it’s rare. As a host I find it incumbent upon me to have full disclosure on what cards Im using and who the dealer is (which is the same dealer that everyone knows and trusts). Why a player would suggest brining his own cards to a game is suspicious in itself. Huge red flag. At the end of the day, the players need to trust the game runner or card room. That is the ultimate defender cheating. What are some of the most critical things a private home game can do to prevent cheating?
So back in the mid 90s I drove a Taxi in the Oklahoma City area. One of my rides ended up becoming a regular client. He was a rounder in the underground high stakes poker scene here in Oklahoma and North Texas. I went to a couple of the games he played. This is middle 90s, they had a quarter million on the table, and a couple of guys working the room with nickel plated 357s. This is how cheating was dealt with then. You cheat, you die. Times have changed.
That’s because poker used to be an underground, counterculture edgy sort of thing rife with unsavory people. Now poker has become a strategy game played by computer nerds that study algorithms and solvers. If you steal from them, the most threatening thing they can do to you is dox you. Or tweet about you.
Ryan and Vertucci having so many scumbags in their stream, makes them look bad. I can see a couple here and there, but there’s been alot. It’s like they would rather play with cheats than Kahbrel.
I know it was high speculation, but weren’t they saying in the past that Verticci and Mars looked to be signaling eachother in hands. Where there’s smoke…
The guy who is a self proclaimed multimillionaire snowbord instructor that noone in the snowboard community has ever heard of is accused of cheating?? No way!
I like that Wesley says he could see through the cards, "presumably with the contacts"...leaving open the possibility that maybe he just has superpowers and can do it naturally?
An early warning in this saga that Mars was culpable is when he tried to character assassinate Wesley instead of defending himself. Attempting to discredit your accuser is not the behavior of an innocent person, it is the behavior of someone who is trying to deflect an accusation.
Disagree. Trying to decide who did what by whether they behave as someone else might expect them too, is not objective or verifiable or even logical. This is like convicting someone of a crime because they were not sufficiently distraught afterwards, for example. It is impossible to find out of someone stole something by asking them if they are a thief, and then trying to parse their reaction to being accused.
I think we should be objective about all evidence and not be quick to make assumptions based on reactions. People defended themselves in different ways. It's very possible Mars is guilty but I don't think "him attempting to discredit Wesley through character assassination" is the smoking gun. Realize Wesley is attempting to character assassinate him also.
Strange. If you have mechanic dealer you do not need anything else. Just look some mechanic card handler videos, those guys are incredible. EDIT: In any case, I'd be extremely cautious of any home games - much more likely you get cheated on, in one way or another.
So the mechanic dealers end game was basically setting up random players with planted 'associates' at table? Essentially Worm in Rounders? Seems tough to pull off, but I guess not so much
One time I join a friend of a friend’s private poker game. Everything was good until one player lost all his chips and there was no buy ins. We weren’t even playing for much 50$ per person. Tell me why this man pulled out a banger and demanded everyone give that shit up. After that day I never played poker outside of the casinos again
Home games for high stakes = just asking for trouble, in addition to mechanic dealers and marked cards, you could even have RFID cards being used and communication going on you don't know about, among other things
Whatever is regulated in your state. In my opinion, only PokerStars and WSOP are safe in the USA but that depends on if your state allows online poker to begin with. To my knowledge Nevada, New Jersey, Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are the only ones allowing regulated online poker. There may be a few more states on the list.
This has got to be the dumbest poker players in history to allow a deck with those huge numbers on it in the game. Real Card Cheating Crews would never do that stupid sheet. Everyone involved in this is dumb as rocks and deserve to get swindled.@@Noname23489
Doug what's your opinion on Andy losing over half a million in a game where supposedly hustler casino management knew players were going to leave early They didn't tell players snd game ends early It explained why players who usually play loose are playing tight because they knew they're leaving early
who would ever let someone invited to a private game bring their own deck and actually play with it for 8 months? Even low stakes home game I play we change out decks and throw them away. I can't image a high stakes game with 6 figures on the table won't have many deck changes per night.
Love the ending! (paraphrasing) It's ok to play home games if the stakes are reasonable, you have insight into the game, you're running the game or you're cheating!" 🤣🤣
Sia seems like an extremely good player. i never see her make any mistakes. I always consider her the best player on stream when she plays. makes you wonder if theres cheating going on in her hands at HCL
I'm not sure about the accusations vs Mars and her involvement in that, but on HCL she seems to play well. However she's built a reputation there for being profitable by playing aggressively tight. Often times she is folding good hands or losing pots you just wouldn't be losing if you were cheating imo. Plus cheating at said home game is arguably a lot easier than cheating at HCL, so that's one thing to defend her for all the streamed games she's played tbh.
He admitted the deck was marked but claims he's not responsible - let's examine that. The only other option is he has a rogue dealer. Well, who hired the dealers? So now you have to have a rogue dealer colluding with some mystery player. As far as I know, the dealer(s) didn't bring any players (this would be kinda sus anyway, right?). So now we're left with some wild scenario where dealer shows up with a marked deck and recruits a random player right there at the game. Or, it's just the simple option and Mars is involved. It's HIS game. And oops, he's also huge winner in the game, hmmmm....
He claims he didn't hire the dealers or have the power to do so. The story is that they used a broad from some official place to hire dealers but the broad that turned up wasn't the same broad but acted like she was, with dealers in tow. It really shouldn't be difficult to find out who did what, doesn't sound like you need to be columbo. Some of the evidence is people griping about hands they lost, and a table of who won and lost and half the proper won and half lost. Wasn't exactly a slam dunk. I do think enough are suspicious that it's probably true but I wouldn't be quick to take the word of a guy who owes out millions.
Hustler Casino was founded by one of the slimiest pornographers in history so why would you be surprised it is a haven for derelicts and assorted scumbags??
Doug, a suggestion : When you are questioning folks, or they are offering an account as evidence, try to make them understand the importance of avoiding pronouns in favor of actual names. This avoids ambiguities caused by statements like "Then asked Tom to play but he said he had to call his friends first. But after the game started they didn't want any part of it so he said...." Even if it seems obvious and pedantic, insisting on identifying each pronoun makes statements clearer and more useful as testimony
I am not 100% sure Mars is to blame. It is definitely possible Wesley and Airball lost a lot of money and it is possible they don't want to pay their debts.
I don’t think so man…too much evidence outweighs that possibility…the text to ZEO is really damning…and Mars admits that deck Wesley had was the one in the game. This is like when a husband’s wife is murdered and he immediately starts asking when he can collect the life insurance…it’s pretty obvious Mars is guilty either directly or directly involved. Who benefited from the cheating? Plus multiple accusers that are completely unbiased and unrelated.
How does a poker player tell you he's gonna bring his own deck (as if that's the hard part in a poker game) and that doesn't instantly set off alarm bells in your head?
"You wanna host a poker game? You bring the players, I bring the decks"
"Can I bring my own deck?"
"What like for cardistry and shit? ye just make sure it of those colorful trick looking one's so it don't get mixed up with the real deck"
"I mean to play with"
"Sorry what"
fr these guys are tarded
it goes something like "I'll come to your home game and bring a million dollars. how do I know your decks aren't rigged can I bring my own and we rotate?"
How about ifnypu play for a ridiculous sums just bring unopened new box of decks each time and opm then there infront of everyone...problem solved. Smh
When somebody shows up to your super high stakes private poker game with their own special deck of cards they insist on using. You may want think about why.
I just like the feel, man
@@pugsnhogz🎉🎉😊 8:21
@williv i did this at a $10 buy in home game with my friends because i just bought a faded spade deck and they ALL looked at me like 🤨 LMAO
He offered to bring the deck and they agreed I thought ?
I wouldn't trust a damn soul who is looking to take a million dollars from me. Even if they are doing it straight up they are doing it using learned lying skills and so many gamblers are truly degenerates who would sell their mom for a buy-in.
I'm also always upset when I get cheated out of a million by a friend. I wish they'd just stop doing that.
Yah, I usually draw the line at 500K, for the 4th time.
Yes they can cheat 250k from me, one million is simply too much as a friend
I always let the first million slip. But if they get me for two, IT'S ON.
Bro u guys rich as hell
After like 7 mil, I start to get a little upset. Usually I just ghost them for a month and then all is forgiven 😂
Private Games in Los Angeles in my 35 year history of playing are FILLED with negative stories about cheating, follow home robberies, colluding, marked cards, etc.... The last time I played a private game was in 2005 when I was robbed of my $20K profit PLUS my original $10K after a Chatsworth California private game. It was a Set up and I learned my lesson.
Well "Hustler" seems to be aptly named
you should gather those stories n reach out to doug for a pod
Yeah, high stakes private games are a huge risk man. unless they are backed by some kind of underworld crime organization or something who will kill whoever cheats/robs the game its not worth it. It's just too easy to cheat in private games . Even online poker has its scam stories.
Outside the casino it's too easy to cheat. I've played poker in jail , I've seen the things people will risk and do for less than 200$ - imagine what criminals would do for millions
Yeah if you're playing for this much money at a private game you deserve to get ripped off imo
@@rageius I got cheated twice for what I would consider small stakes in private games. Plus I have met a card Mechanic and seen what they can do. At least I have a chance of the Casino catching them. If people are smart about it. It's nearly impossible to spot or do anything about by the time you realize what happened.
Airball thinks anyone he plays poker with is a ‘very close friend’ of his. When they’re just people trying to milk his pockets haha
The whole Butthead laugh troll on Brown Balla had me rolling lol
Balla has the most puré laugh of any human , prove me wrong .
Huhuhhuhuhuhuuhuhuhuhuhuhuh
haha i actually noticed he toned down his laugh. someone must have said soemthing like hey, this thing is killing viewership a bit
Me too. So much joy to laugh like that.
Soooo fucckinggg goood! Thanks Doug ❤️
This is why you NEVER play high stakes private games. The probability of cheating/setup is extremely high
There are some home games that are set up really well and safe. But ya you shouldn't trust everyone
If there's money involved, people are going to try to find ways to cheat you out of it. When you consider people these days will cheat just to get on the leaderboard of a free online game, adding money on fuels the incentive.
We had a couple of guys marking cards in Tampa and everyone excused their winning in odd spots as them just playing wild and crazy. The room manager even told me they used a burn card, how could these guys possibly know the runouts?
Well, they were marking the outside edges of the cards based on the values of the cards. And one of them always sat in seat 1 so he could see the side of the deck and know if it favored low, middle or high cards and they'd play accordingly (this was in PLO, not hold em)
IIRC you had called into the Poker Fraud Alert pod about this.
Where in Tampa? Hardrock?
I enjoy your vlogs! Keep up the good work
@@PocketTits yes that was me!
@@tchombre1992 was at TGT. Two Cubans always sat seats 1 and 6 so they could pinch people between them
They couldn't know suits, but they'd know if the flop favored high, middle or low runouts
They were caught there, Best Bet Jacksonville, Chasers in NH, Commerce in LA, someplace in TX too
They never tried at the Hard Rock as far as I know, never saw them there
I think it was David Blain on Rogan that said there were certain card games where the cheaters would replace all the decks at local gas stations with marked cards. So unwittingly an innocent player would go to one of these gas stations, buy a "clean" deck and introduce the poisoned marked deck into the game thus aiding the cheater.
I’ll never understand how dumb people can be. “Hey guy we need a new deck to a game we invited you to, there’s a Chinese store a block down the road, get a new set of cards for us.”
Pretty sure that's not how casinos work
@@ROGUEJOURNALISTwe not talking about casino we talkin about private home games dumb dumb
@@americansantacruz6080Yeah I understood the concept, but couldn't see someone being that desperate for a new player that they would go out and get all new decks for ONE person.
LOL seriously - hey im hosting a home game for millions yea go ahead and bring the cards you prefer bud@@americansantacruz6080
It's not hard or expensive to buy 5 new decks of cards & open and prove them in front of the players.
Any game where the deck is open before the first hand is no good.
what does the plastic prove opening a brand new deck? its pretty easy to mark cards then re wrap them lol for all we know they did open the "marked cards" and thought they were brand new
I've been dealing poker for over 30 years and I contend that there's more cheating now than ever before and that includes card rooms and casinos! Everyone should put black lights over their cards just to see if there's dauber or anything else on them
mike i am sure here in vegas card rooms plenty of regs band to signal each other for aces n kings.. poker a game of pirates.
@@pokerbosscyclerwhat you mean. ?
Now we believe in cheaters but when it happened to Garrett no one believed there could be cheaters.
Doug was very clear about his opinion on the Garrett incident, he said in his opinion its very likely cheating happened. I see it the same way, she obviously cheated him in some way. That call just isn't a thing.
@@FacTV- I honestly think Garrett is right. Calling all in with jack 4 off is something youd only do if you knew you were ahead. She got greedy and saw an opportunity to steal his chips but didnt realise in doing so she exposed the whole scheme. It's only a call a person who knew they were ahead would make. Nic airball is likely in on it also by how hard he defended her in the aftermath. Hes either a turbo simp or he was in on their scheme
@@dennisreynolds1503feel like being a simp is more likely
@@2smokey69 very true he does look like one but we must remember his dad is almost definitely bankrolling him. His dad is unbelievably rich. Nik will have a week where he loses a mil and be back next week like it's nothing. Whilst he may be simping robbi is fit I seriously doubt in the vegas scene there arent tons of girls looking to latch on to a rich daddy's money man like him. I just dont see why hed need to simp for her. I think personally they had a scheme running to make back money on the sly over time so they knew when their ace jack was facing down a ace ten or worse the ace queen and would know to fold at the correct times to mitigate damage over time since theyll play for days in these cash games.
because Garrett was wrong, they are cheating in home games not on HCL
The poker drama that has evolved from hustler is riveting
"The world's first poker reality TV show..." -Vertucci
FnG drama...
Well....I dunno if saying evolved from hustler is fair from this instance. This is more of a "brought to light" situation.
Guys were using contact lenses to see marked cards in the 1970's.
These kids are thinking this is new. They know very little about the dark side. I don’t play poker so it doesn’t affect me. I’m old and have been around is all
In 2006 there was a man living in my apartment playing on pokerstars. This man was in contact with 3 other people at the same time in different countries and they were playing at the same table. He thought I was completely ignorant about poker and that pehaps I didn't know what was going on. together they won about 450,000 euros. They used to laugh and joke and say how easy it was to do. They would tell each other what cards they had. I could hear the whole conversation from my room. true story.
These guys are making a million dollars, and you weren't in on it???
It’s literally illegal. Kinda messed up and why online poker is rigged
Doug eats corn the long way
No doubt
Do you take it the long way?
🤣
Doug eats Cornhole ????
God bless him...
"Tell you what, fellas. I'm gonna give you a chance to get your money back." (Pulls a set of dice out of his pocket.)
Lmao 🤣
😭😭
We all know nic was in on the cheating with robbi with how hard he defended her. She just fucked up and exposed their cheating method by way of robbi calling that all in with jack 4 off. She knew she was ahead but made a move only someone who knew that would make. Hes got no grounds to claim people are cheating when hes best friends with one of the biggest cheats out there
"We all know" is not the correct spelling of "I take drugs."
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 well not wholly wrong but if you dont think airballs behaviour was extremely sus around the robbi scandal I dont know how I can help you 😂
Nic is an ex cop aswell, nuff said..
@@hugovaz777 no hes not. As far as I'm aware his dad got him a banking job out of school which he did for a few years then became a pro poker player. It's that very reason people know where he has all his money to lose with because his dads incredibly wealthy
@@dennisreynolds1503 Airtool wasn't even there, genius.
I was recently playing at a home game tournament and when we combined the two tables down to the final table one of the players mentioned to another player that he didn't remember him having so many chips. And the guy says "oh, well, my friend is too tired to play anymore so he gave me his chips. I was going to tell everyone before the final table got started." True story.
so?
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Nick V is the infamous real estate scammer. hcl invites more scammer than any other stream with nick v being the leader. People tends to ignore the fact that nick v was a scammer.
I just read that stuff online about Nick V being a real estate scammer, I'm surprised people play in that game, maybe Garrett is right after all, this shits crazy😮
Was? Once a scumbag, always a scumbag.
@@crushedscouter9522 Yeah of course couldn't agree more.
I swear - at least 99% of the time my initial thoughts on someone turns out to be correct. The gut can't lie.
Now all of a sudden Garret doesn’t seem to far off huh 🤔
all of a sudden this has no relevance whatsoever
@@martinworld7214 it does… everyone at HCL is a scam and a cheater all of a sudden get that through you head
While I agree a high stakes private game if these aren’t your buddies from high school is always at risk, you still have to watch out for collusion at card rooms. There are several ways that even as few as three guys playing together can really change the outcome over a several hour session. Just having a partner or two run up pots where it makes your implied pot odds out of wack can really change your night. A partner who signals that they had the case Ace or king could be really important information. And it’s hard to argue against a playing with players who know each other. Hell, that’s often half the fun at a table.
I had a friend a long time ago, his Dad used to play illegal cash games in Sydney in the early 2000s. One night the guard on the door 'accidentally' let a couple ofvisitors in armed with shotguns into the game and they cleared out the table, about 60k. ouch....
Can't wait to update PT version 4 - thanks for the share, Doug!
Its insane to me that private games ever came back after the option of above board/safe/regulated games in card rooms became a thing. I understand why the sharks wanted exclusive access to fish, but why do the fish show up?
maybe the fish want to prove that they can hang on that higher level, or they've put in money for lessons or tutors. Some ppl are just rich and they love that atmosphere...or sometimes the dynamic of beating someone skill lvl's above you is tempting ...like so many normal ppl tried to beat Mj in a 1v1 basketball game...some ppl like playing with their idols...heck alot of regular basketball players tried to beat Brian Scalabrene if you know who that is in a 1v1, he was a role player and they though because he was on the bottom of the barrell in the NBA that they could easily beat him ...and boy thats a funny video to watch sometimes "im closer to Lebron than you are to me" xD
ig since poker does involve putting in your own money you'd think why would ppl throw it away, but ppl that have money like that to throw away choose to take the chance, just like playing slots or scratch offs lol...yk you'll prob lose but what if or why not...its exciting...i mean shit buying yachts and mansions gets boring after a while i guess...why not play poker vs some pros
everything you said makes no sense and can be accomplished at a above board/safe/regulated game in a card room/high roller/casino@@Red4350
Why do players need to bring their own deck in the first place?? The casino or whoever house should provide it and be vetted by all players first
I just don't believe that Another player from the Hustler Stream is proven to be an Absolute Dirtbag/Cheater. If you're a Regular on that stream, do you have to be a Criminal, Cheater, Drug Dealer or Flim Flam Man??
No. The gambling industry as a hole is what you just described.
HCL basically has two types…ego maniacs and cold blooded poker assassins.
The ego maniacs will do almost anything to win
The entire poker ecosystem is full of these shady characters and outright thieves, who would gladly steal from their own mother's (and probably do). Nobody should be shocked by "cheating scandals", or finding out their favorite player on stream is a garbage human that cheats and angles any chance they get - they just do it with a smile and nice fingernails. I stopped playing many many years ago because I hated being around these types of people, they are just scum.
@@repomannv Oil drums were made for people like this.
Yes
Thanks for making this entertaining… it hid how painful this all was. I must say it is getting more and more difficult to see poker as more than just entertainment these days.
Sia the Bot needs to be investigated but too many simps letting her off the hook
so many simps
well said. these simps let women off the hook all the time
standard
Na let her off the hook she needs to have my babies
I feel Doug could have dug into the Sia thing a bit more but he abruptly ended the video right there.
Who the hell plays poker with somebody named BRUCE ?
😂😂😂 for realz Bruce Lee? Whip that ass?? 😂😂
How can you not be suspicious the second a guy wants to play with a specific deck of cards that he has brought, rather than a random, freshly opened deck?
The poker world is full of shady dudes.
Shawn Sheikhan Sentenced to Four Years in Prison for Illegal Cannabis Business is just another no- surprise story.
I like Sheiky but he was always shady.
10:35 the brown balla impression had me laughing out loud.
I have not played a single home game in Austin in 12 yrs living here. But i have several friends who ran home games. One from the lodge, Berney Miller (rip) an old timer you have heard stories of, he used to run the home games before the lodge existed told me some stories of what they did to cheaters back in the wild west. Too bad he had to fall off that damn ladder. I miss seeing him show up to the lodge with 2 hot strippers having them 3b shove on everyone. Rip 🙏
@dougpolkpoker you should get a wall poster of Bernie Miller. Ask around about him. He ran the teravista games. One of the founding members of the lodge. Just a thought. Celebrate some of the lodge ogs.
Hey Doug, I’m new to the channel, I just wanted to let you know your content is amazing and the way you deliver all the information from both sides is genuinely fair and unbiased which allows the viewer to easily form their own opinion. Thank you for great presentation and I look forward to watching more of your great content!
I'm still shocked how the poker community was let down by the J4 hand. With all this time that has past, looking back it's obvious what happened. She didn't know his hand but she knew she had the best hand by a signal, hence the impossible call, and too novice a player to know not to call given what it would look like, hence the return of chips after the call was made. And let's just follow that up with a criminal working for HCL with access to hole cards on that night taking money off her and only her stack. And the poker community gave her an AWARD lol..
I agree, that hand was signalled.
I thought she was a known cheater, they gave her an award? Damn.
Doug I run a rake free game in NY with a group for over 20 years. We have experienced players cheating from time to time but it’s very rare. It’s unfortunate and disappointing but for the most part with known friends it’s rare. As a host I find it incumbent upon me to have full disclosure on what cards Im using and who the dealer is (which is the same dealer that everyone knows and trusts). Why a player would suggest brining his own cards to a game is suspicious in itself. Huge red flag. At the end of the day, the players need to trust the game runner or card room. That is the ultimate defender cheating. What are some of the most critical things a private home game can do to prevent cheating?
its hard for these high rollers to prevent anything, its life changing money. 3mil...
People playing online are getting cheated
People playing live are getting cheated
People stop playing
Between the cheats and the rake you have no shot
Most players are losers and they just get butchered online because theyre not very good and so they whine it's rigged. Stars ain't 😅
Great recap
We need a 24hr Joey Ingram investigation right away, he will get to the bottom of this.
Thanks Doug! Was waiting for this!
So back in the mid 90s I drove a Taxi in the Oklahoma City area. One of my rides ended up becoming a regular client. He was a rounder in the underground high stakes poker scene here in Oklahoma and North Texas. I went to a couple of the games he played. This is middle 90s, they had a quarter million on the table, and a couple of guys working the room with nickel plated 357s. This is how cheating was dealt with then. You cheat, you die. Times have changed.
That’s because poker used to be an underground, counterculture edgy sort of thing rife with unsavory people. Now poker has become a strategy game played by computer nerds that study algorithms and solvers. If you steal from them, the most threatening thing they can do to you is dox you. Or tweet about you.
Things were much better when people just got killed in the game rather than merely cheated.
okay, boomer
Well, you also die if you win too much without cheating. Lucky for you, you were probably a loser.
Why do you guys always call Generation X the Boomers??
Makes no sense.@@Sevenly7
Tony Mars really needs to be arrested. This is ridiculous.
Do you really need to cheat to get a mil or two off Nik Airball?
We see nick play actual pros so we think he sucks, but he's better then any regular player.
The fact that no one does a test with a black light on a new deck?
How does Airball have any money left to lose?
Worth almost a billion
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@@NickLang66866 I’m still curious at this point
The losing clip shouting the F-bomb was HILARIOUS bro. lmao
Ryan and Vertucci having so many scumbags in their stream, makes them look bad. I can see a couple here and there, but there’s been alot. It’s like they would rather play with cheats than Kahbrel.
Vertucci is a giant scumbag himself
It's poker in general. The great game is scumbait
I know it was high speculation, but weren’t they saying in the past that Verticci and Mars looked to be signaling eachother in hands.
Where there’s smoke…
It's time you realize that poker is littered with dbags.
They are full responsible for what happens in their casino. If not the actual masterminds behind the scam.
One thing about poker...it almost ALWAYS brings the worst of the worst out of the shadows.
The guy who is a self proclaimed multimillionaire snowbord instructor that noone in the snowboard community has ever heard of is accused of cheating?? No way!
在中文电话录音中 他自己承认作弊并暗示要雇佣国外黑手党报复受害人
Thats what i said before, how does a snowboard instructor be able to play those kind of stakes
I like that Wesley says he could see through the cards, "presumably with the contacts"...leaving open the possibility that maybe he just has superpowers and can do it naturally?
The way Airball and Wesley are playing I wouldn't be surprised If they came with the marked deck and still lost their money. 🤣
Not the Brown Balla laugh!!! LMAO His chuckle gets to me every time.
Sia wore some crazy contact lenses
A good size card cover / lucky trinket would work to keep ‘em from seeing ur cards ?
both wes and mars always wear glasses .. very suspect.. id wager wesley isnt as innocent as hes making himself out to be.
Doug your videos are so entertaining; your comedy is on par with your poker skills.
Crazy how rampant cheating has become in high-stakes poker games!
..the cheating is not new, only the coverage. Thanks TH-cam 😉
Everyone is desperate for getting rich quickly, especially white and asian zoomers.
never heard of yorba linda? I could be mistaken but isn't that where Regan is from?
Like the old saying goes, "If you don't know who the sucker is at the table, it's you".
I appreciated the Beavis and Butthead portion. So good.
i love poker but i have given up on it as the rake has become atrocious at my local cardroom, you have to go on a heater to beat the rake and variance
An early warning in this saga that Mars was culpable is when he tried to character assassinate Wesley instead of defending himself. Attempting to discredit your accuser is not the behavior of an innocent person, it is the behavior of someone who is trying to deflect an accusation.
Disagree.
Trying to decide who did what by whether they behave as someone else might expect them too, is not objective or verifiable or even logical.
This is like convicting someone of a crime because they were not sufficiently distraught afterwards, for example.
It is impossible to find out of someone stole something by asking them if they are a thief, and then trying to parse their reaction to being accused.
I think we should be objective about all evidence and not be quick to make assumptions based on reactions. People defended themselves in different ways. It's very possible Mars is guilty but I don't think "him attempting to discredit Wesley through character assassination" is the smoking gun. Realize Wesley is attempting to character assassinate him also.
Why would you not have a deck rotation system while playing for millions? 🤔
Strange. If you have mechanic dealer you do not need anything else. Just look some mechanic card handler videos, those guys are incredible. EDIT: In any case, I'd be extremely cautious of any home games - much more likely you get cheated on, in one way or another.
I saw one on Penn +Teller, they were in awe. He said: "guys like me are why you should never play big $ home games" I agree!
With this much money at stake, what idiot would agree to someone bringing a deck? On another note, the Brown Baller laugh at 10:45 is spot on.
Hell, I knew a mechanic dealer who worked at Borgata. These people are everywhere I don't trust poker anymore
I doubt he was cheating the a casino. That was be retarded and he could go to jail. So many cameras in a casino.
So the mechanic dealers end game was basically setting up random players with planted 'associates' at table? Essentially Worm in Rounders? Seems tough to pull off, but I guess not so much
lol and people say online is rigged
Why even have a mechanic if you have a rigged deck and print infinitely Potripper style?
That brownballa impression is spot on
One time I join a friend of a friend’s private poker game. Everything was good until one player lost all his chips and there was no buy ins. We weren’t even playing for much 50$ per person. Tell me why this man pulled out a banger and demanded everyone give that shit up. After that day I never played poker outside of the casinos again
Home games for high stakes = just asking for trouble, in addition to mechanic dealers and marked cards, you could even have RFID cards being used and communication going on you don't know about, among other things
Can you break down the strategy and range of the Robbi hero call? I know she had an important blocker to do it
She thought G had Ace hi, solid call.
why would she give money back to him if it was a hero call? thats admission of guilt
It was worth watching just for the brownballa laugh
Doug, your guest for a Safe Place in the Poker World is admirable.
What online poker game is safe for everyone. ( I am an American)
Whatever is regulated in your state. In my opinion, only PokerStars and WSOP are safe in the USA but that depends on if your state allows online poker to begin with. To my knowledge Nevada, New Jersey, Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are the only ones allowing regulated online poker. There may be a few more states on the list.
Nice to see you back Doug, I am too simple to follow this story.
Does it require special lighting to see these cards with the contact lenses? We need more info on this deck.
Contact lenses are UV, so they can see the UV ink printed on back of cards the naked eye can’t see
This has got to be the dumbest poker players in history to allow a deck with those huge numbers on it in the game.
Real Card Cheating Crews would never do that stupid sheet.
Everyone involved in this is dumb as rocks and deserve to get swindled.@@Noname23489
Said it before and I will say it again it's Nick Vertuchi at the core of all this CRIME going on and certainly to whatever extent Ryan too!
Not taking a sucker's money is the real crime.
Doug what's your opinion on Andy losing over half a million in a game where supposedly hustler casino management knew players were going to leave early
They didn't tell players snd game ends early
It explained why players who usually play loose are playing tight because they knew they're leaving early
The Butthead laugh was perfect 👌🏻
Yeah that super funny and under appreciated
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who would ever let someone invited to a private game bring their own deck and actually play with it for 8 months? Even low stakes home game I play we change out decks and throw them away. I can't image a high stakes game with 6 figures on the table won't have many deck changes per night.
Who would go to a private game and not bring their own deck???
You gonna just trust the owner of the house running the game??
Love the ending! (paraphrasing) It's ok to play home games if the stakes are reasonable, you have insight into the game, you're running the game or you're cheating!" 🤣🤣
What type of game allows you to bring your own deck and dealer.
the snow board instructor
Appreciate the video, but not sure what this has to do with Hustler Casino? The games weren't played there...
Sia seems like an extremely good player. i never see her make any mistakes. I always consider her the best player on stream when she plays. makes you wonder if theres cheating going on in her hands at HCL
Did u see sia play all a long in HCL ? Sia can lost too
I'm not sure about the accusations vs Mars and her involvement in that, but on HCL she seems to play well. However she's built a reputation there for being profitable by playing aggressively tight. Often times she is folding good hands or losing pots you just wouldn't be losing if you were cheating imo. Plus cheating at said home game is arguably a lot easier than cheating at HCL, so that's one thing to defend her for all the streamed games she's played tbh.
thats bc you only saw her playing uber-soft line ups with DK, Drew and the likes
Also she always wear contacts Lol scary
@@liammilne2242 She is there to advertise the private games only..
Bro if I had millions. I SWEAR, I wouldn’t play poker anymore. It’s about that really big score/pot so you don’t have to grind anymore.
You never have chased the dragon I see
He admitted the deck was marked but claims he's not responsible - let's examine that. The only other option is he has a rogue dealer. Well, who hired the dealers? So now you have to have a rogue dealer colluding with some mystery player. As far as I know, the dealer(s) didn't bring any players (this would be kinda sus anyway, right?). So now we're left with some wild scenario where dealer shows up with a marked deck and recruits a random player right there at the game. Or, it's just the simple option and Mars is involved. It's HIS game. And oops, he's also huge winner in the game, hmmmm....
He claims he didn't hire the dealers or have the power to do so. The story is that they used a broad from some official place to hire dealers but the broad that turned up wasn't the same broad but acted like she was, with dealers in tow. It really shouldn't be difficult to find out who did what, doesn't sound like you need to be columbo. Some of the evidence is people griping about hands they lost, and a table of who won and lost and half the proper won and half lost. Wasn't exactly a slam dunk. I do think enough are suspicious that it's probably true but I wouldn't be quick to take the word of a guy who owes out millions.
Can we have subtitles with Wesley
Gotta take everything Airball says with a HUGE grain of salt.
No
Not a grain. An ocean of salt.
Chinese home games sounds sketchy right off the bat..
It's funny how many players have been caught already that have been on HCL live stream ... is poker really that scummy? Incredible.
Hustler Casino was founded by one of the slimiest pornographers in history so why would you be surprised it is a haven for derelicts and assorted scumbags??
A lot of people associated with hustler are that scummy. Nick v has always been a scumbag and has courted those kind of people for the game
been waiting for this bad boy to drop
Doug, a suggestion : When you are questioning folks, or they are offering an account as evidence, try to make them understand the importance of avoiding pronouns in favor of actual names. This avoids ambiguities caused by statements like "Then asked Tom to play but he said he had to call his friends first. But after the game started they didn't want any part of it so he said...." Even if it seems obvious and pedantic, insisting on identifying each pronoun makes statements clearer and more useful as testimony
man I completely lost it at the reading of brown balla's text and random cuts to his laughs 🤣
Just play 0.50c- $1 home games like the rest of us😂
Great I'll bring the deck😂
@12:43 sums up the whole video.
I am not 100% sure Mars is to blame. It is definitely possible Wesley and Airball lost a lot of money and it is possible they don't want to pay their debts.
Except Mars has just deleted his twitter hours ago and went full silent. The police is involved and Wesley has audio.
I don’t think so man…too much evidence outweighs that possibility…the text to ZEO is really damning…and Mars admits that deck Wesley had was the one in the game. This is like when a husband’s wife is murdered and he immediately starts asking when he can collect the life insurance…it’s pretty obvious Mars is guilty either directly or directly involved. Who benefited from the cheating? Plus multiple accusers that are completely unbiased and unrelated.
@@oinkaments yup Mars and his triad buddies threatened Wesside's life. this is getting crazier by the day
@@oinkaments What does the audio say according to Wesley?
True
Doug, i almost cried during the Brown Balla part. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Literally re-watching all your videos right now. I'm so appreciative for your content in this dumpster fire of an era were in for poker.
Crazy they wouldn’t check the card manufacturer with such high stakes in play