Never saw this until my latest playthrough. I bet there's a special cutscene like this for every sequence. #assassinscreed #assassinscreedbrotherhood #ezio
@@ZanderJaverson leonardo da vinci's sexuality has always been a subject of debate. many believe that he had romantic and sexual relationships with some of the men that served as his pupils, most famously Salai, who is said to have been the model for multiple paintings by da vinci. In the brotherhood dlc of da vinci's disappearance there's a cutscene in which Ezio says that he approves of Leonardo and Salai's relationship, you can look up that scene here on youtube
@@TaitLawrence-xl2xb judging by current western politics i can say with 100% certainty he was not gay and people just hated him for being a successful entrepreneur and a deep thinker. if he had female assistants he would be accused of rape, if he lived with his family he would be accused of incest, if he lived alone he would be accused of having ties with criminal groups. society hates visionaries with a passion
Tbf the dialogue is vague enough that it could very well mean what you originally thought, that Ezio was surprised Leonardo doesn't sleep around as much as he does. If you didn't know he was publicly accused of sodomy or that he was very close with his apprentice Salai, you probably wouldn't have even known that he was gay. Leonardo kept the details of his love life really lowkey, to the point where the most that historians can really do even now is simply speculate based on circumstantial evidence.
I think that's what he meant since the real da'vinci was very religious and made an oath of chastity. It is possible that in the video he realised just how gay his statement sounded and felt ashamed.
@@martvinegar3431 it's not. At the end of the dlc he basically states it outright, saying he's in a relationship with his apprentice. To which Ezio replies "I approve. He suits you"
@dookiedog i was referencing a comedic play called gay or european. obviously here leo is both, but in the context of the play its funnier (to me at least)
Striaght or not, Leonardo is by far my favorite non protagonist character of the AC games. Ezio needed a good friend and confidant and Leonardo was a great support system for him. ❤
Ezio is that one friend who takes a while to get it but is absolutely supportive once he does. Him telling Leo in da Vinci disappearance that he doesn't mind and approves of Salai was so adorable
*Random history notes for yall: It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all. thanks
@@tachytack Basically, It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all.
@@tachytack Basically, It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all.
This is my favorite portrayal of a homosexuality (in games at least) it's subtle but not to the point you'd have to look really hard to notice, it's treated as simply one of Leonardo's characteristics not his whole personality, no one makes a big deal about it, it all just feels natural and realistic.
I’m with you. A lot of representations of gay people are so blatant for the sake of brownie points, but I’d rather it be like in real life where it’s just like whatever.
@@tommyvercetti9434 that's true, but just like with Leonardo it also feels natural, he's gay and that's that, it's not brought up unless it's necessary to the story and makes sense in the conversation. I talked about Leonardo's being subtle as good thing because most bad portrayals are the complete opposite of that.
So near non existent? 🙄 (That is to say subtle to the point that from the comments few knew it was there) Thankfully the days of “don’t ask, don’t tell” are long behind us leading to games with real rep - Such as the modern AC games which allow one to choose who to romance and hits like The Last of Us 2. For when this game came out: great and groundbreaking likely. Today, thankfully there’s no more pandering to those who want us to stay basically invisible.
Tbf it's pretty easy for this exchange to be interpreted differently if one does not know about Leonardo's sodomy accusations or his relationship with Salai (his apprentice, who studied under him for 20 years). Even actual historians can't do much more than speculate over circumstantial evidence, that's how lowkey Leonardo kept his love life. The currently accepted theory is that Leonardo was gay, but did not act upon it in a public enough manner for anyone to know about it. He is believed to have been celibate after the sodomy accusations though.
I did get it, and i felt terrible for him when things turned awkward, especially after he put a hand on Ezio's back an retreated in embarrassment at his confusion. Makes you wonder if Leo may had at any point some kind of crush on him, but knew quite well how much Ezio does like girls more than most things.
I've played through the restored memory sequence recently, and Ezio interacts with Leonardo's lover Salai a lot, and when he finally finds Leonardo, they have an exchange about it and Ezio says something along the lines of "He's good for you, I approve." And then Leonardo is surprised and relieved for a moment. So I suppose Ezio did figure it out later on and supported Leo, which is nice. ❤
@@dookiedoggy near the end of the game ezio used the apple of eden because he wanted to know what cesare next move was because when he was arrested he gave a cryptic message saying he would be free
Still, Ezio accepted him. You can see that in the "The Da Vinci Disappearance" DLC, where Ezio says that he knows about him and Salaì (his pupil). Ezio said that thei are a lovely couple. I'm not a LGBT fan, but this moment is kinda wholesome. It shows how Ezio values and supports his friends.
Theres apparently hints through history that Leonardo was gay, but honestly who's to say. I like the idea that he never married because he was married to his work.
I am curious how historical figures would have reacted to these hints cause people have though I was gay and I am a conservative Christian. I mean we have had scholars try to argue Sam and Frodo were gay and they were written by a devout Catholic.
Di Vinci has been dead for hundreds of years and most of history related to him is probably half the truth or even less. I just say I hope he lived a life of kindness, happiness, and fulfilment for himself and those he cared for. But one thing is for sure, he was talented and far ahead of his time with what we do know about him
Seeing this people comments, I thought that what Leonardo meant is that he loves his works and knowledge more than being with mundane pleasures. So I thought he was just a very lonely and hardworking person.
Well that's the traditional historical interpretation of him, but it doesn't align completely with contemporary accounts. For one thing, Leonardo loved floating from project to project at a very disorganized pace and approach. For another Leonardo was known for being very social and affable to the point of being very popular among his peers and for being a frequent party thrower and party guest. In fact part of the disconnect observed between Leonardo and Michelangelo is that the latter wad very solitary and lowkey, perhaps even a bit asocial and introverted. They did not seem to get along very well in any way, perhaps their personalities just didn't quite vibe together all that well. In short, Leonardo was a very sociable man with lots of friends and with a relatively decent amount of free time on his hands at any given time, so his notable lack of marriage and children is... interesting, especially when one analyzes which of his apprentices he seems to favor keeping around and the lack of reasoning for that preference outside of, perhaps, a personal preference of beautiful men.
I think Leonardo got the Freddie Mercury treatment, was clearly bisexual but people view them as being strictly gay situation. I believe Leonardo swinged both ways but was only ever truly married to his work
I love that Ezio doesn’t get it here but when Leo has an assistant he’s in love with and has a relationship Ezio later tells him he approves of his choice in partner
I just played the dlc yesterday and theres a bit in it where leonardo tries to come out to him by explaining his assisstant is his lover and ezio just sorta says he figured it out, doesnt care, and is happy for him
They really forced the awkwardness. Like Leonardo just says like "don't worry, women won't distract me from my work", which could absolutely be true if he were straight because he would still be serious about his work, and Ezio is immediately like "uh what i don't get it???" where no fucking normal person would have that reaction.
I never heard this conversation before , how did you trigger that? I finished all war machines , bought every equipment from Leonardo , and even done the DLCs but never save this cutscene.
Leonardo was supposedly gay and he used his boyfriend as the muse for his paintings of jesus so supposedly we all have the image of jesus being Leonardo da Vinci lover
Leonardo had an iq of like 200. When youre that smart you find sex to be not that interesting. Still dont know why he loved Salai so much though. That kid pissed me off
He did seem to form another bond to a later apprentice that was much more healthy, poor Salai had to deal with being old news as soon as Leo found someone that wasn't a little shit about everything
Whatever my issues with Brotherhood and how it affected the franchise, I enjoyed this scene. And especially the follow-up in the DLC where Ezio figures out Leonardo and Salai are together and states his open approval to his best friend.
@@dookiedoggy I kind of feel like I'm the only one with these particular grievances to Brotherhood and Revelations, but here goes. I feel it's the game where interesting historical settings became second to turning Assassin's Creed into a cash cow franchise, more focused with churning out a game every year than making a good game that meaningfully developed the series. Also, this is the game where Ezio's character decay began. In AC2, he was likable and charming, but also very flawed and sometimes made mistakes, plus he had a great supporting cast to interact with, which ranged from admirers to people who weren't always his biggest fan. Even his some of his allies didn't always personally like him or were critical of him (and weren't depicted as "wrong" for that) and it made for interesting relationships across the board. The other two games go out of their way to make Ezio the sexiest, bestest and most special boy ever, with now every single person with XX chromosomes wanting him and anyone pointing out his mistakes being depicted as someone we're supposed to hate. Heck, in Revelations, he causes the death of a whole underground city and gets the leader of a local Assassin Bureau killed in the search for a cure to his mid-life crisis and still at no point does the game want us to think ill of him (and portrays anyone trying to give him a bollocking for it as unsympathetic). In Brotherhood and Revelations, Ezio became the creator's pet and cash cow and it became evident just how limited his charm as a character was. Plus, to make more games with him, Desmond's story got butchered, because they needed an excuse to somehow keep Ezio still relevant to the overall story.
The fact that historically, Leonardo was (or is speculated to be) gay makes this even better. I wish Ubisoft would add these smaller details to other characters
![ILLSLICK - WINTER IS COMING [Official Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dwTMeM1zIhQ/mqdefault.jpg)
[Ezio waking up one day several months later] _Oh_
Lmaoooo
He came out to him in the da vinci dissapearance tho. He didn't even need too, his assistant did it for him, "ohh Noo, Maestro"
LOL
Ezio 20 years later : OMG HE IS GAY
@@justarandomcat3661 The saddest part is Leonardo would be dead by then
Ezio in 1523 while tending his vineyard: HEY WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE
I like to interpret this as Ezio being such a serial womaniser that he can’t even comprehend the concept of a man not liking women
Me too
Did leonarno not liking a women?
@@ZanderJaverson It is speculated that he was gay and had a relationship with his assistant "Salai"
@@ZanderJaverson leonardo da vinci's sexuality has always been a subject of debate. many believe that he had romantic and sexual relationships with some of the men that served as his pupils, most famously Salai, who is said to have been the model for multiple paintings by da vinci. In the brotherhood dlc of da vinci's disappearance there's a cutscene in which Ezio says that he approves of Leonardo and Salai's relationship, you can look up that scene here on youtube
@@TaitLawrence-xl2xb judging by current western politics i can say with 100% certainty he was not gay and people just hated him for being a successful entrepreneur and a deep thinker. if he had female assistants he would be accused of rape, if he lived with his family he would be accused of incest, if he lived alone he would be accused of having ties with criminal groups. society hates visionaries with a passion
Damn I played through this game multiple times as a teenager but apparently this line's meaning flew over my head every single time
I didn’t even see it until last time, because I always get the upgrades ASAP
😂😂😂 I didn't get it either until today haha
Tbf the dialogue is vague enough that it could very well mean what you originally thought, that Ezio was surprised Leonardo doesn't sleep around as much as he does.
If you didn't know he was publicly accused of sodomy or that he was very close with his apprentice Salai, you probably wouldn't have even known that he was gay. Leonardo kept the details of his love life really lowkey, to the point where the most that historians can really do even now is simply speculate based on circumstantial evidence.
Played it two times...didn't even noticed it once..
True Ezio experience
At the time I just thought Leonardo meant that he just doesn’t care about that kind of thing since he’s so invested in inventing.
Or invested in painting. Or the fact that he got burned once in a bad relationship and now just doesn't anymore.
@@eddthehead123 Or that he has Salai his lover to keep him company 😊
I think that's what he meant since the real da'vinci was very religious and made an oath of chastity. It is possible that in the video he realised just how gay his statement sounded and felt ashamed.
@@martvinegar3431 it's not. At the end of the dlc he basically states it outright, saying he's in a relationship with his apprentice. To which Ezio replies "I approve. He suits you"
Honestly I thought he was a pedo
I think Ezio understood what that meant, he just played it on the down low and didn’t make a fuss about it.
I think Ezio is such a Chad that he can’t comprehend the idea of not slaying 24/7
He actually made a comment about Leonardo and Salahi at the end of Da Vinci DLC🙃
@@kassassindlr That’s true and Ezio is very supportive.
@@dookiedoggy I saw it coming from you morons of these day and age
@@dookiedoggyaverage tuscanian guy, vagina and wine grindset
i still don't know if leo is gay or european
What’s the difference?
@@dookiedoggy more than gay and an american
He is gay and european
@@michaelsterk6046 he litterly died by having to much sex with women tf?
@dookiedog i was referencing a comedic play called gay or european. obviously here leo is both, but in the context of the play its funnier (to me at least)
Leo had to triple check like "damn... he really is clueless"
Leonardo: "Women provide little distraction."
Ezio: "Huh?"
Leonardo: "BITCH DID I STUTTER?"
For real tho 😂😂😂😂
Ezio: I don't get it???
Striaght or not, Leonardo is by far my favorite non protagonist character of the AC games. Ezio needed a good friend and confidant and Leonardo was a great support system for him. ❤
Yeah plus I love his portrayal as an eccentric, scatterbrained genius.
Wait, hold up. How those being or not beign straight relates to the qualities you listed?
@@stealthynaxo Yea, that's what I'd like to know.
@@stealthynaxo Ok, Ezio.
Ezio is that one friend who takes a while to get it but is absolutely supportive once he does. Him telling Leo in da Vinci disappearance that he doesn't mind and approves of Salai was so adorable
lmao that went as far over my head as it did ezios. thanks for pointing this joke out lol
Just doing my part for the community
@@dookiedoggy-CJ
His little "return hands to knees" bashfulness.
There's DEFINITELY a cutscene in one of the DLC where Leonardo comes out and Ezio tells him he always knew and doesn't care.
In the DaVinci disappearance dlc
Ezio: woman make little distraction? Impossible 😂
Pretty sure in a DLC, Ezio meets his lover/assistant, and his only response is "I approve."
I was 14 years old when I played this part. I did not get it at that time either.
Your developing mind was not ready for it.
I pretty damn sure you were in your diaper back then
@@elliottnahum Happy for you
@@elbasado8292I was 10 and I didn’t get it because I never got this dialogue to trigger. Clap for me please
Neither did Ezio.
damnnn its the hand placement
Yeah I honestly wonder if he was coming onto Ezio
@@dookiedoggyyou're delusional
*Random history notes for yall: It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all. thanks
I ain't readin allat
@@tachytack Basically, It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all.
@@aphulite3115 good for you or sorry that happened
then fuck off, I love this shit. Go back to rap music and lazy consumerism.@@tachytack
@@tachytack Basically, It was a big thing at the time especially in Florence. People would do it but never in public, hanging would be a consequence only rarely. Florence has lost battles and has blamed their soldiers for being to flamboyant and homosexual. It was a wealthy city at the time considering the Medici Banks grew from there. Its funny history repeats itself Rome had a similar situation. As for Leonardo, being extremely intelligent he would experiment a lot especially with oil paintings causing him to flop many projects, not manage to finish commissions he was hired for but out painted (as some historians say) guys like Boticelli who he hired Leonardo to finish a few paintings. Leonardo used to dress flamboyant as was the time of the wealthy class to do so. Historians say there is a high chance of him being gay but there wasn't a lot of open witnesses to confirm. Playing these games with historical figures can really be something special as they begin to come to life being gone for long. There are also rumours that he helped finish The duomo in Florence when Bruneschelli passed away. An example of his experiment gone wrong: Donatello, another famous artist at the time found out how to build a bronze statue which was a lost art since the Roman days, this a big event when he was able to do this. So, Leonardo was asked to make one by the duke of Milan, son of Francesco Sforza i believe of his late father. Leonardo said to him in an over exaggerated way that he will build a spectacular statue out of Bronze. His design for though was very questionable since he wanted the horse to be on its back legs which would cause to much weight and the statue wouldnt stand. His inspiration from donatellos bronze sculpture where he made a man on a horse on 3 legs 1 leg being on a sphere. Leonardo only manage to make his sculpture out of clay at least part of it when the city he was in was attacked and used as target practice for the opposing archers destroying. If I remember Caterina Sforza was in Assassins Creed and her real life story is really inspirational and bold the history here is very grand I would suggest looking into it all.
This is my favorite portrayal of a homosexuality (in games at least) it's subtle but not to the point you'd have to look really hard to notice, it's treated as simply one of Leonardo's characteristics not his whole personality, no one makes a big deal about it, it all just feels natural and realistic.
I’m with you. A lot of representations of gay people are so blatant for the sake of brownie points, but I’d rather it be like in real life where it’s just like whatever.
If ACBF was made today it'd have pride flags all over Leonardo machines 😂
It doesn't have to be subtle to be good. Gay Tony from GTA IV is also a very good gay character that is also flamboyant.
@@tommyvercetti9434 that's true, but just like with Leonardo it also feels natural, he's gay and that's that, it's not brought up unless it's necessary to the story and makes sense in the conversation. I talked about Leonardo's being subtle as good thing because most bad portrayals are the complete opposite of that.
So near non existent? 🙄
(That is to say subtle to the point that from the comments few knew it was there)
Thankfully the days of “don’t ask, don’t tell” are long behind us leading to games with real rep -
Such as the modern AC games which allow one to choose who to romance and hits like The Last of Us 2.
For when this game came out: great and groundbreaking likely. Today, thankfully there’s no more pandering to those who want us to stay basically invisible.
Ezio be like: “Well, why didn’t you say so, handsome 😊”
Ezio thought he was ugly.
Yeah, no
@@sharavy6851yes
cringe
Tbf it's pretty easy for this exchange to be interpreted differently if one does not know about Leonardo's sodomy accusations or his relationship with Salai (his apprentice, who studied under him for 20 years).
Even actual historians can't do much more than speculate over circumstantial evidence, that's how lowkey Leonardo kept his love life. The currently accepted theory is that Leonardo was gay, but did not act upon it in a public enough manner for anyone to know about it. He is believed to have been celibate after the sodomy accusations though.
That sounds about right. If I was gay at the very end of the Middle Ages, I probably wouldn’t talk about it much either.
@@dookiedoggyIt was safer to be gay in middle ages than in the 40s.
@@139-b7j True. I still wouldn't talk about it, though.
@@139-b7jand should've stayed that way
@@tachytack should've stayed what way? there are two distinct ways of being referenced in their comment.
Ezio is gifted with the supernatural eagle sense, he didn't get a gaydar though.
Actually in eagle vision gay people glow pink.
@@dookiedoggy wtf man seriously 😂
I did get it, and i felt terrible for him when things turned awkward, especially after he put a hand on Ezio's back an retreated in embarrassment at his confusion.
Makes you wonder if Leo may had at any point some kind of crush on him, but knew quite well how much Ezio does like girls more than most things.
the name of the person below me is "guy"
@@tachytackguy scared of a rainbow
@@baltazarriosdelbarco4230Bro has imaginary enemies
@@baltazarriosdelbarco4230 bro spoke in the 3rd person 💀
I've played through the restored memory sequence recently, and Ezio interacts with Leonardo's lover Salai a lot, and when he finally finds Leonardo, they have an exchange about it and Ezio says something along the lines of "He's good for you, I approve." And then Leonardo is surprised and relieved for a moment. So I suppose Ezio did figure it out later on and supported Leo, which is nice. ❤
My headcanon is when ezio used the apple of eden infront of Leonardo he understood what he meant and ran off to defeat Cesare
Haha wtf
@@dookiedoggy near the end of the game ezio used the apple of eden because he wanted to know what cesare next move was because when he was arrested he gave a cryptic message saying he would be free
"Wait, i don't get it"
The words of a confused wise man
I was so happy with this!! I was like 12/13 and gay in a small village and I finally found some representation 😭😭
Awww I’m happy to hear that!
Nah he's actually a giga chad and doesn't let women distract him, rather he focuses on his goals and purpose. Sigma
Few years pass by and he finally gets it.
Ezio: "oh! Wait?.....HE'S GAY!!!"
he later approved leonardo relationship with salai
I always loved the characterizations of certain historical figures in these games. Accurate or not they’re often entertaining.
I think they’re not provably inaccurate. They use the gaps in historical knowledge to take liberties. That’s how it should be.
Ezio:Wait I don't get it
Leonardo:It's for the better
Phm. Women
Me as a little kid: if ezio doesn’t get it then neither do I so don’t matter 😂
Yeah this completely went over my head as a kid. See it now.
Some people believe that he was gay, or he was celibate. Either way, this scene works.
In the DLC you meet his sassy gay apprentice/boyfriend.
Still, Ezio accepted him. You can see that in the "The Da Vinci Disappearance" DLC, where Ezio says that he knows about him and Salaì (his pupil). Ezio said that thei are a lovely couple. I'm not a LGBT fan, but this moment is kinda wholesome. It shows how Ezio values and supports his friends.
average STD fan vs chad "not lgbt fan" enjoyer
@@tachytack Care to elaborate? I'm not that good at English
@@AlexKojokari-e6g I was just making a joke lol
@@tachytackThat's what I asked for, I didn't get it lmao
@@tachytack damn, took me 10 times to read to understand
He sits so close to him
Ezio knows about Leos assistant. And he says he approves.
That was after
And they were roommates
If you read his database entry, it does say he might've been gay. XD
Yeah. AC 2 was originally gonna mention his being accused of sodomy, but Ubisoft didn’t want to offend the moral majority.
Theres apparently hints through history that Leonardo was gay, but honestly who's to say. I like the idea that he never married because he was married to his work.
I am curious how historical figures would have reacted to these hints cause people have though I was gay and I am a conservative Christian. I mean we have had scholars try to argue Sam and Frodo were gay and they were written by a devout Catholic.
Di Vinci has been dead for hundreds of years and most of history related to him is probably half the truth or even less. I just say I hope he lived a life of kindness, happiness, and fulfilment for himself and those he cared for. But one thing is for sure, he was talented and far ahead of his time with what we do know about him
That completely flew over 12 year old me’s head back then 😂
the silence was loud
This went way over my head when I was a kid holy shit
Don’t feel bad. It went over Ezio’s head and he was 45
Leo's just on that Roman male grindset
Ezio said pause
Ezio failed the vibe check
Leonardo: why are the pretty ones so dumb?
Seeing this people comments, I thought that what Leonardo meant is that he loves his works and knowledge more than being with mundane pleasures. So I thought he was just a very lonely and hardworking person.
Well that's the traditional historical interpretation of him, but it doesn't align completely with contemporary accounts. For one thing, Leonardo loved floating from project to project at a very disorganized pace and approach. For another Leonardo was known for being very social and affable to the point of being very popular among his peers and for being a frequent party thrower and party guest. In fact part of the disconnect observed between Leonardo and Michelangelo is that the latter wad very solitary and lowkey, perhaps even a bit asocial and introverted. They did not seem to get along very well in any way, perhaps their personalities just didn't quite vibe together all that well.
In short, Leonardo was a very sociable man with lots of friends and with a relatively decent amount of free time on his hands at any given time, so his notable lack of marriage and children is... interesting, especially when one analyzes which of his apprentices he seems to favor keeping around and the lack of reasoning for that preference outside of, perhaps, a personal preference of beautiful men.
Leonardo mentions in AC2 that he visits brothels so he's probably just bisexual.
I think Leonardo got the Freddie Mercury treatment, was clearly bisexual but people view them as being strictly gay situation. I believe Leonardo swinged both ways but was only ever truly married to his work
@@scarletjester7831 the bi erasure lore runs deeper than I thought
I just have this the other day and after that I’m dead bruh 💀🤣
I’d be a bottom for leonardo da Vinci
🤣 🤣 🤣
You guys don't see the brotherly bonds?
So thats why mona lisa gave an unsure look in the painting.
Leonardo da Freaky
I think that was intended to poke fun at Ezio for him being a playboy and got with a lot of women.
That makes way more sense, ngl…
Esse jogo é muito bom.
You said it
It's a masterpiece
MACACOOO
I love that Ezio doesn’t get it here but when Leo has an assistant he’s in love with and has a relationship Ezio later tells him he approves of his choice in partner
This honestly doesn’t mean anything too vague 😬
You do realize irl Leo was very much into guys?
@@MsMvsc he wasn’t that’s all
@messyangel1169
Look into history, kid lol. Did I break your mind?
@@MsMvsc it’s a baseless rumor being pushed by LGBTQ folks. It’s untrue that’s all😘
A couple years later he meets Leo’s partner and is like “yeah I could tell, I think it’s sweet”
Ezio is 500 years ahead of his time
He's not gay, he's just a Sigma Male™
Poor Leo, he was a half a gag, he prob broke his mother's heart.
maybe you're a flambe
louis's not gay, he's creative.
@@vicvega5452 fuckin nauseating
@@cordisdie8109 MADDONE, PETER!
Mby Leo is just sigma
Why do you think he’s autistic?
@@dookiedoggy Yeah u got the point, mby he is gay 🤐
wtf I never seen this cutscene and I played it so many times :D
It’s very obscure
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When in rome
"...bang Caligula"
Nadia, this tea is excellent!
I just played the dlc yesterday and theres a bit in it where leonardo tries to come out to him by explaining his assisstant is his lover and ezio just sorta says he figured it out, doesnt care, and is happy for him
0:36 *camera zoom out*
There's no solid evidence that can allow us to conclude on Leonardo's sexuality.
Please, elaborate.
When you didn't know Leo was historically gay until your high school art teacher pointed it out for you
I hope the art teacher did not say it as a fact.
Because its under debate if he was gay or just suffering from some level of autism. Or both possibly.
ezio got scared when he said that 😂
I’ve never seen this! Great detail to add in the game
To clarify: many historians believe that Leonardo da Vinci may have gay
He was gay, the guy practiced homosexuality on many of his students.
How did you get this cutscene? I thought I played all of the story in brotherhood but I never saw this
You gotta sit on one of his benches after finishing the story.
You haven't been to France yet 😫
You’d think the Baron would have taught him a thing or two
They really forced the awkwardness. Like Leonardo just says like "don't worry, women won't distract me from my work", which could absolutely be true if he were straight because he would still be serious about his work, and Ezio is immediately like "uh what i don't get it???" where no fucking normal person would have that reaction.
I never heard this conversation before , how did you trigger that?
I finished all war machines , bought every equipment from Leonardo , and even done the DLCs but never save this cutscene.
Talk to him on the bench after beating the game.
Nah leonardo is just a late stage sigma no wemen allowed
As far as i know its not for sure that he was actually gay.
Then you dont know very far ?
True, but they had to take some artistic liberties. That’s what makes AC so interesting.
He’s not gay op just want him to be 😂
@@messyangel1169 how do you know hes not?
@@the1andonly975 he’s not the end let it go and stop projecting it’s getting sad 😬
that sounded a lil gay
*Ezio:* 🤨📸⚔🏳️🌈?
When does Leonardo say this line?
You have to sit on one of his benches after finishing the story.
@@dookiedoggy Grazie amico.
@@dookiedoggy"Cesare is ill" isn't he dead?
@@brunovsky_ I guess this conversation took place right after Ezio got the apple back 🤷
@@dookiedoggycorrect
Now y’all worshipping his fiancé
Dookie doggy is right ...
Maybe bro is a Sigma 🗿
Leonardo was supposedly gay and he used his boyfriend as the muse for his paintings of jesus so supposedly we all have the image of jesus being Leonardo da Vinci lover
Well not Jesus but he is present as a model in the Last Supper, I think he's the one disciple confused for being a lady.
I read in Wikipedia that Leonardo fought for gay rights during 1400s
That he was close to a guy male apprentice correct me if I'm wrong
I know the second one is probably true. If the first one is, that’s really cool
Wikipedia is a horrible place to get information.
@@headshotmaster138 Wikipedia is more accurate than a traditional encyclopedia
@@dookiedoggy that's bullshit and you know it bro.
@@dookiedoggy Wikipedia is written by thousands of editors and writers writing relevant information
Leonardo had an iq of like 200. When youre that smart you find sex to be not that interesting. Still dont know why he loved Salai so much though. That kid pissed me off
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He did seem to form another bond to a later apprentice that was much more healthy, poor Salai had to deal with being old news as soon as Leo found someone that wasn't a little shit about everything
Whatever my issues with Brotherhood and how it affected the franchise, I enjoyed this scene. And especially the follow-up in the DLC where Ezio figures out Leonardo and Salai are together and states his open approval to his best friend.
I have issues with brotherhood too. What are yours? I wanna see if they’re the same
Frankly I don't approve of his relationship to Salai. Not because it's gay but because by all accounts Salai was toxic af.
@@fluidthought42 I don't remember the DLC well, but I remember not being terribly fond of him.
@@dookiedoggy
I haven't played that game but I've read historical accounts about him.
@@dookiedoggy I kind of feel like I'm the only one with these particular grievances to Brotherhood and Revelations, but here goes. I feel it's the game where interesting historical settings became second to turning Assassin's Creed into a cash cow franchise, more focused with churning out a game every year than making a good game that meaningfully developed the series.
Also, this is the game where Ezio's character decay began. In AC2, he was likable and charming, but also very flawed and sometimes made mistakes, plus he had a great supporting cast to interact with, which ranged from admirers to people who weren't always his biggest fan. Even his some of his allies didn't always personally like him or were critical of him (and weren't depicted as "wrong" for that) and it made for interesting relationships across the board.
The other two games go out of their way to make Ezio the sexiest, bestest and most special boy ever, with now every single person with XX chromosomes wanting him and anyone pointing out his mistakes being depicted as someone we're supposed to hate. Heck, in Revelations, he causes the death of a whole underground city and gets the leader of a local Assassin Bureau killed in the search for a cure to his mid-life crisis and still at no point does the game want us to think ill of him (and portrays anyone trying to give him a bollocking for it as unsympathetic). In Brotherhood and Revelations, Ezio became the creator's pet and cash cow and it became evident just how limited his charm as a character was. Plus, to make more games with him, Desmond's story got butchered, because they needed an excuse to somehow keep Ezio still relevant to the overall story.
What does Leo mean by " women provide little distraction"
He’s gay
Leo got friendzoned 😢
The fact that historically, Leonardo was (or is speculated to be) gay makes this even better. I wish Ubisoft would add these smaller details to other characters
Speculated to be based on incomplete information. Conjecture stemming from Sigmund Freud.
How do u get this scene?
You sit on the bench after the story ends
@@dookiedoggy do I have to finish all the L missions?
Da vinky??
I LIKE A DE MEN EZIO
😂
Ezio: 🏳️🌈?
Is this a mod because I’m seeing Altaïr’s armor and one of Giovanni’s hidden blades
No that comes with the ezio collection. And it’s way better than the Brotherhood outfit
@@dookiedoggy oh sick we can actually use the armor after the first couple levels? Because I agree it looks way better than the brotherhood outfit
@@arsenal1548 Yeah! Except it’s an outfit, so only cosmetic. Your health will be the same as whatever armor you have equipped under it.
@@dookiedoggy seems like it works on the PC version too (the Steam variant)
I did not get it when played it first time. I was way too young 🤣🤣
i like to think that Ezio was such a womanizer back then that the concept of "a man liking another man" was unironically new for him, lmao.
She’s just like me fr
She?