Good strategy - make sure they promote you away immediately because they think you can do less harm then (which is wrong most of the time but no one ever seems to care) 😊
dawg i was born in 2005 but do a lot of learning and have a love for old cars, the 80s doesnt feel like that long ago to me either. Probably because a lot of things in use today are either the same since the 80s or adapted concepts of it
@@marcusborderlands6177Did it at a bakery on accident because I got bored and became the fastest then my lead was retiring and he showed me his job before he left. They didn’t replace him so we could never take breaks unless we got some people from the other side of the warehouse my coworkers were chill so I’d just give them their breaks and ride solo for 15mins one day this Old guy comes and asks me about it and I explained we’re short since he retired but I can do all the positions at the same time so I give the guys a break because by the time they send us people it’s lunch time. He watched until they came back and was impressed turns out he was the owner of the whole company the next day they promoted me to the Lead and hired another person. Still was underpaid though 😂
I have three gc people I get high all day and they are considered supervisors. I've had my best paying supervisor jobs all the whole partying on the job. The bosses that hire want confidence and results very little Else matters including safety. That unless your a union princess@@marcusborderlands6177
A few years back I asked my boss if he had any advice for me and his answer was to fake it until you make it. He then proceeded to tell me a story about how he got a job a boat prop manufacturer, having no idea how to make them. He said because he was their new head engineer he came in after the shop closed and stayed all night to try and figure it out.
I did something like this to get into operating. I faked it well enough to eventually get into a union company and now looking to start my own site work company. Can’t wait to buy my first piece of iron.
Basically how i got into being a boiler/steam turbine operator a few years back lol. I was a forklift warehouse guy but I got a chance to slide into operating and water treatment despite knowing nothing about it because the company was new and it was a union shop so I had seniority. Right after i got in they started making people test into the department instead of seniority based bids because it was one of the most important and THE highest skill job on site besides millrights and electricians. Lmao @youngmike8645
I’ve accepted at least 5 jobs in my life that I was under-qualified for. I ended up learning the jobs in a couple of weeks. Some qualifications are overrated.
We had this guy working at our company who was hired to run our cnc machines and apparently had 40 years of experience. He fucked up so many jobs in the first week that he was banned from CNC and was put on manual machines. He was terrible at that as well, he clearly had no clue what feeds and speeds to use (his machines used to fuckin SING). he was also a know it all and was constantly telling experienced machinists the "correct" way do stuff. He was never fired because he was good at tedious jobs that no one else wanted to do. No one liked him and when he left i cleared out his work bench cupboards which were full of fuck ups.
Good example of why I ignore the experience part when people want to be all "yeah I've got 27 years in such-and-such so don't question me junior"... All that attitude tells me is that they probably spent 27 years doing the job wrong and were too arrogant to ever learn any better. The laws of physics don't care how long you've been on the job - if the mechanics are sound, that's all that matters.
So many times I haven't known what I was doing to start with but no one ever knew. I didn't know electrical so I learned it. I didn't know electronics so I learned what I needed to know. I taught myself to weld and be a very competent machinist. The point is, the only thing you can't do is what you limit yourself to what you can do.
I'm 27 and run a one man shop for an aerospace company. Every job that hits my desk I'm under qualified for, but the trades didn't get fresh bodies for the past 40 years so there is no one else haha
That's how it is for me. Few years older, but I'm the entire machine shop. Pretty cool most of the time, keeps you sharp on everything. Can certainly be stressful. And there's no possible way it can be anyone else's fault.
That’s not being under qualified. That’s knowing your job which includes figuring out what you don’t know. Nobody knows exactly how to do everything but may know what makes sense and more importantly how to find the information. That’s what being an engineer is all about, figuring out the unknown and quantifying the possibilities. But I’ve been there and into the feeling. Years ago the 2 guys in the shop who did all the sheet metal work retired. I had to learn it, the punch presses/strippits. Rivet presses and the 2 press brakes, with nobody to ask for help. Just the manuals and an old book on bending from the 70s. You do what you have to and figure it out, who cares about the qualifications. The only thing I use from my schooling is the math and maybe some software and programming. The rest you pick up along the way add it to your memory bank and the rest you figure out, the easy way or the hard way.
Plus I’ve seen guys with stunning resumes on paper who were worthless in the shop and ran into it again in the office or the lab. Those people tend to move up and away from product or anything that could cost the company money eventually
@ honestly we have theories and cheaping out on tool steel is one of them. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the purchase history to see if they downgraded our steel to save money. Or, if the company is just providing inferior quality steel to save money. Like any other tool and die shop, they’ve probably been forced to speed up everything to maximize production. So sure, it could easily be both of those things. We have tried to narrow down what could be affecting tool life on our end and done some experimentation. But yeah, the consensus is they’re sending us crappy tool steel that chips out and cracks too easily.
My boss accepted a job we were not qualified for, and i told him so. The customer wanted a collet for an old machine. but it wasnt an regulat collet, cone and clamping on the front and open at the back, around 1/3 from the back it was closed with an hexagon hole for an allan key, so ther was an 2/3 of lenght deep undercut, through an 20mm hole. I wasted 3 days on that thing, grinding tools for the undercut on the benchgrinder for hours, until my boss finally agreed with me that we cant do it, not as a single piece. The original was probaly 2 parts welded together (but i couldnt see a welding seam on it) or a cast part.
The punch may work better for keeping from pulling slug but will go dull quicker. 6 deg. Is a good compromise between longevity and the ability to hold a slug.
In most cases yeah. Could see it lasting as long with thin or soft material. A lot of stamping shops send dies in for maintenance when the weakest part of the die wears out so as long as it's not the weakest feature, it's a win.
Moral of the story : College is an absolute gigantic waste of time and money, especially money... You don't need a piece of paper that says you can do homework to help you get a job... especially since you can just say that you have every single piece of paper that says you can do anything, as long as you can back it up with actual physical actions if asked. Until then though, let everyone believe you are the most qualified person for anything and everything in life 😅
The differences if you do not fake qualifications and they give you a job, they believe you are qualified enough or they believe you can be taught and you have qualities that mean you succeeded
My mother only graduated high school and managed to get a job at the irs without the bachelors degree needed. She worked their for a solid 15 years and nobody made a fuss about it because she was good at it lol.
@@johnathon007 sure bud. those 5 degrees made all the difference in the world and was immediately promoted. Probably week after that he became the new CEO. Some say that he's now the President of the planet earth. 🧠
@@kasparsjansons9220 I didn't say that the story is true. Just how someone could do 20 degree grinds and someone else would think it was 45 degrees. It's pretty simple.
Tooling for cutting shapes out of sheet metal. You have the male part which is the punch, and the female part which is the die. A rooftop in this situation is when the end of the punch is cut with a kind of wedge end, like the roof of a house. It allows quieter punching with less force required, because you are contacting with less surface area.
From now on he's the supervisor and everyone do what he says... Me: Okay, everyone act natural... er... I mean, how you would normally do the job... acting natural... 😅😭💀
Fun thing about being supervisor who knows nothing about the job is you can get trained by the people who are actually doing the job instead of usually coming in from some other job or with a university degree with a bunch of bad ideas.
Yep. In today's cut throat job market. I'll let somebody else decide what I'm qualified to do. Thankfully I'm not the worst tool to grab and I can probably figure it out. But still. Let your employer figure out if your good enough or not. Best not to sell yourself short cuz you never know what you may be good at and if your not going to be on the hook for it. Then take the experience and use it
In my experience it's cheaper to train an unskilled person to do a good enough job than to hire a person who is sufficiently trained demanding more compensation. But we get you the pay if the skill comes and the motivation for more stays.
You can do this if you're quite sharp and put in the work to learn quickly. I've seen it tried by people who were all confidence and no intelligence: doesn't go well.
I mean at some point the builders of the Empire State Building said they knew how to build a structure that big and no one knew how until it was built so. You don’t need to know everything.
whole lot of nonsense. Gradually building techniques evolved to that point. Every steel beam was calculated for FOS to ensure structural integrity,. They knew exactly how to build it. They had previous projects to take into count, such as Home Insurance Building in Chicago and The Chrysler Building. They knew that steel frame buildings could be built much taller since its structure is lighter and stronger than load-bearing masonry walls. You absolutely need to know everything, otherwise some unpredicted force could act upon the structure which ultimately could lead to its collapse. You really think that they received all that funding with no guarantees, eyeballed it, once built someone slapped it and said "that ain't going nowhere" and everything worked out perfectly? You're delusional.
Back in those days and further back where rais see d to be thinkers cause we had to figure stuff out, but thats not the way kids are raised today, back in my day I had to go to work everyday that I wasn't in school or Sundays unless we had an emergency, but even as kids we went outside everyday, if our bike broke, we had to figure out how to fix it so we could go back to riding with our friends, these aren't the things that the youth of today is, its like child abuse to teach your kids a trade, I've been married sense I was 19, had and raised 3 boys with the same woman running a business that I learned growing up in my family, you don't see that as much anymore because we left the old paths that worked because of these so called educated big thinkers, acting like they can reinvent the wheel in human nature
why? the Trump voters are generally against the wars and in his 2016 term no new wars started and everyone stopped their saber rattling. Compare that to any other president in the last 30 years and then ask "who wants war and should be forced to the front"
Fake it ‘til you make it. 🤣🤣
Good strategy - make sure they promote you away immediately because they think you can do less harm then (which is wrong most of the time but no one ever seems to care) 😊
@ I’m poking some fun at the story, I don't subscribe to this way of thinking because it can backfire with disastrous consequences. 😬🤣
That's how people die and bad elecricians get paid.
My thought exactly ^^
Even the story
"in the 80..." my brain "oh so 20 years ago"...
*realization im getting old*
😭
That’s me with the 90s. Oh it’s only 10 years ago. lol
@@youngmike8645 Same here. Thats just the last decade. Who's ready for for the world to end in Y2k? 😂🕐🕝🕙👴
So its 40 years now 😭
dawg i was born in 2005 but do a lot of learning and have a love for old cars, the 80s doesnt feel like that long ago to me either. Probably because a lot of things in use today are either the same since the 80s or adapted concepts of it
"in the 80s everyone was SO DUMB you could bullshit your way to supervisor"
Still can lmao
@@marcusborderlands6177Did it at a bakery on accident because I got bored and became the fastest then my lead was retiring and he showed me his job before he left. They didn’t replace him so we could never take breaks unless we got some people from the other side of the warehouse my coworkers were chill so I’d just give them their breaks and ride solo for 15mins one day this Old guy comes and asks me about it and I explained we’re short since he retired but I can do all the positions at the same time so I give the guys a break because by the time they send us people it’s lunch time. He watched until they came back and was impressed turns out he was the owner of the whole company the next day they promoted me to the Lead and hired another person. Still was underpaid though 😂
@@marcusborderlands6177Marcus, come see me in my office, 8AM, sharp.
I have three gc people I get high all day and they are considered supervisors. I've had my best paying supervisor jobs all the whole partying on the job. The bosses that hire want confidence and results very little Else matters including safety. That unless your a union princess@@marcusborderlands6177
I run my own business, that should tell you where faking it till you make it actually works.
A few years back I asked my boss if he had any advice for me and his answer was to fake it until you make it. He then proceeded to tell me a story about how he got a job a boat prop manufacturer, having no idea how to make them. He said because he was their new head engineer he came in after the shop closed and stayed all night to try and figure it out.
Please stop faking it till you make it. We hire and fire so many people just to try and find someone that actually knows what they say they know.
Gives us all "real" hope... just lie to you make it to the top. I'm sure this is the rulebook for all politicians.
I did something like this to get into operating. I faked it well enough to eventually get into a union company and now looking to start my own site work company. Can’t wait to buy my first piece of iron.
Basically how i got into being a boiler/steam turbine operator a few years back lol. I was a forklift warehouse guy but I got a chance to slide into operating and water treatment despite knowing nothing about it because the company was new and it was a union shop so I had seniority. Right after i got in they started making people test into the department instead of seniority based bids because it was one of the most important and THE highest skill job on site besides millrights and electricians. Lmao @youngmike8645
And now you need a Bachelors Degree for a Customer Service position making $15/hr.
You’re taking out of your ass
In 2016, the pay was $13 an hr for a residential counselor position that required a Bachelors Degree 😵🤮
Not in trades
@@romoalexnope
I call BS.
I was making $10/hr as a labourer at age 17 in 1988.
Seen a guy try to fake being an FAA licensed Airframe & Powerplant tech. The Feds were unhappy.
Talk about beginners luck and the nerve to trust it💀
there is no luck
he faked it
I’ve accepted at least 5 jobs in my life that I was under-qualified for. I ended up learning the jobs in a couple of weeks. Some qualifications are overrated.
sounds exactly like how you get hired as a manager in my shop, except the things you do dont have to work.
A manager is the person who says no when the correct answer is yes
We had this guy working at our company who was hired to run our cnc machines and apparently had 40 years of experience. He fucked up so many jobs in the first week that he was banned from CNC and was put on manual machines. He was terrible at that as well, he clearly had no clue what feeds and speeds to use (his machines used to fuckin SING). he was also a know it all and was constantly telling experienced machinists the "correct" way do stuff. He was never fired because he was good at tedious jobs that no one else wanted to do. No one liked him and when he left i cleared out his work bench cupboards which were full of fuck ups.
Good example of why I ignore the experience part when people want to be all "yeah I've got 27 years in such-and-such so don't question me junior"... All that attitude tells me is that they probably spent 27 years doing the job wrong and were too arrogant to ever learn any better. The laws of physics don't care how long you've been on the job - if the mechanics are sound, that's all that matters.
Now youve both been replaced by automated mills. F IN CHAT. 😂😂😂
Yes this creates dissent among the ranks and a bad work enviorment
So many times I haven't known what I was doing to start with but no one ever knew. I didn't know electrical so I learned it. I didn't know electronics so I learned what I needed to know. I taught myself to weld and be a very competent machinist. The point is, the only thing you can't do is what you limit yourself to what you can do.
Fake stories are so wholesome
I'm 27 and run a one man shop for an aerospace company. Every job that hits my desk I'm under qualified for, but the trades didn't get fresh bodies for the past 40 years so there is no one else haha
That's why every employer sets the bar so low nowadays.
daddy's money, huh? LOL
That's how it is for me. Few years older, but I'm the entire machine shop. Pretty cool most of the time, keeps you sharp on everything. Can certainly be stressful. And there's no possible way it can be anyone else's fault.
That’s not being under qualified. That’s knowing your job which includes figuring out what you don’t know. Nobody knows exactly how to do everything but may know what makes sense and more importantly how to find the information. That’s what being an engineer is all about, figuring out the unknown and quantifying the possibilities. But I’ve been there and into the feeling. Years ago the 2 guys in the shop who did all the sheet metal work retired. I had to learn it, the punch presses/strippits. Rivet presses and the 2 press brakes, with nobody to ask for help. Just the manuals and an old book on bending from the 70s. You do what you have to and figure it out, who cares about the qualifications. The only thing I use from my schooling is the math and maybe some software and programming. The rest you pick up along the way add it to your memory bank and the rest you figure out, the easy way or the hard way.
Plus I’ve seen guys with stunning resumes on paper who were worthless in the shop and ran into it again in the office or the lab. Those people tend to move up and away from product or anything that could cost the company money eventually
That would explain why all our tooling is garbage where I work. If it should last 50K pieces, we’re lucky to get 35K 🤦♂️
Is it because they're making a compromise on tooling cost and production speeds?
@ honestly we have theories and cheaping out on tool steel is one of them. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the purchase history to see if they downgraded our steel to save money. Or, if the company is just providing inferior quality steel to save money. Like any other tool and die shop, they’ve probably been forced to speed up everything to maximize production. So sure, it could easily be both of those things. We have tried to narrow down what could be affecting tool life on our end and done some experimentation. But yeah, the consensus is they’re sending us crappy tool steel that chips out and cracks too easily.
the company went broke in 5 days
My grandpa had a dog and it died and he buried it and now I have a dog
Yep. Was a mechanic for two years on bullshit and TH-cam. Amazing what common sense and asking before doing will get ya in life
My Surgeon faked it till he made it! This is my last Will and Testament. Goodbye 😅
My boss accepted a job we were not qualified for, and i told him so. The customer wanted a collet for an old machine.
but it wasnt an regulat collet, cone and clamping on the front and open at the back, around 1/3 from the back it was closed with an hexagon hole for an allan key, so ther was an 2/3 of lenght deep undercut, through an 20mm hole.
I wasted 3 days on that thing, grinding tools for the undercut on the benchgrinder for hours, until my boss finally agreed with me that we cant do it, not as a single piece.
The original was probaly 2 parts welded together (but i couldnt see a welding seam on it) or a cast part.
I love that story. I truly believe two brain's are better than one. You might see something I don't. Or one day other way around.
The punch may work better for keeping from pulling slug but will go dull quicker. 6 deg. Is a good compromise between longevity and the ability to hold a slug.
In most cases yeah. Could see it lasting as long with thin or soft material. A lot of stamping shops send dies in for maintenance when the weakest part of the die wears out so as long as it's not the weakest feature, it's a win.
Moral of the story : College is an absolute gigantic waste of time and money, especially money... You don't need a piece of paper that says you can do homework to help you get a job... especially since you can just say that you have every single piece of paper that says you can do anything, as long as you can back it up with actual physical actions if asked. Until then though, let everyone believe you are the most qualified person for anything and everything in life 😅
The differences if you do not fake qualifications and they give you a job, they believe you are qualified enough or they believe you can be taught and you have qualities that mean you succeeded
Diploma holder in Tool & die maker here...no job in that field anymore... everyone wants to meet production demands & wants machinists
Happens all the time, more than we think 👊🏼
There was a person that pretended to be a multispindle repairman 🤯 he took out a Davenport and a Euroturn 😬
A nice story, and everything is fine until something goes wrong, and then there is hell to pay.
My mother only graduated high school and managed to get a job at the irs without the bachelors degree needed. She worked their for a solid 15 years and nobody made a fuss about it because she was good at it lol.
Never yet had a job I was qualified for when hired.
This feels like a "my dad can beat up your dad" half made up story
If it's a 20 degree angle why did he identify it as a 45 degree.
because it's a fake story.
20 degrees on both sides would look about 45 degrees to most people.
@@johnathon007 sure bud. those 5 degrees made all the difference in the world and was immediately promoted. Probably week after that he became the new CEO. Some say that he's now the President of the planet earth. 🧠
@@kasparsjansons9220 I didn't say that the story is true. Just how someone could do 20 degree grinds and someone else would think it was 45 degrees. It's pretty simple.
Yes back when google or actual verification was a thing…..that would never work today so your stuck with daddy or going into debit or making crap pay.
I been faking it till I make it for years. Finally made it.
English is not my native language. Can someone explain to me what "punches to put rooftops on" means?
Tooling for cutting shapes out of sheet metal. You have the male part which is the punch, and the female part which is the die. A rooftop in this situation is when the end of the punch is cut with a kind of wedge end, like the roof of a house. It allows quieter punching with less force required, because you are contacting with less surface area.
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Normal punch and die explanation
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Search for Wilson tools grind rooftop shear
@kentl7228 Thanks now it makes sense.
That sounds very likely. someone made something that worked and was immediately put in charge of everyone in the place
Well, at least he was honest about the story after the fact…eye roll 🙄 promoting lucky incompetence
Bro won the speech roll
And that’s kids the end of the story for tonight about American dream
From now on he's the supervisor and everyone do what he says...
Me: Okay, everyone act natural... er... I mean, how you would normally do the job... acting natural... 😅😭💀
Fun thing about being supervisor who knows nothing about the job is you can get trained by the people who are actually doing the job instead of usually coming in from some other job or with a university degree with a bunch of bad ideas.
This is what manufacturing in the USA looks like
Yes. By the end of it I was qualified for it.
Yep.
In today's cut throat job market.
I'll let somebody else decide what I'm qualified to do.
Thankfully I'm not the worst tool to grab and I can probably figure it out. But still. Let your employer figure out if your good enough or not.
Best not to sell yourself short cuz you never know what you may be good at and if your not going to be on the hook for it. Then take the experience and use it
It’s easy to find a job to train you these days. I’ve found that there’s fewer ambitious people than there are skilled positions available.
In my experience it's cheaper to train an unskilled person to do a good enough job than to hire a person who is sufficiently trained demanding more compensation. But we get you the pay if the skill comes and the motivation for more stays.
My man went to Can-do University.
To answer the original question
Yes. Earlier today. :)
I never faked my knowledge and experience. And i hate people doing it.
Luck: 10
Charisma: 10
Intelligence: 7
Nearly every single job till my early 50s, I'm 53.
Thats how I became president of the United States.
Fake the O face until you make it?
Went through how many pairs of knee pads?
Breaking the mold 🤣
So what’s the point? Lie to get a job? I don’t understand this.
yes
You can do this if you're quite sharp and put in the work to learn quickly. I've seen it tried by people who were all confidence and no intelligence: doesn't go well.
I mean at some point the builders of the Empire State Building said they knew how to build a structure that big and no one knew how until it was built so. You don’t need to know everything.
whole lot of nonsense. Gradually building techniques evolved to that point. Every steel beam was calculated for FOS to ensure structural integrity,. They knew exactly how to build it. They had previous projects to take into count, such as Home Insurance Building in Chicago and The Chrysler Building. They knew that steel frame buildings could be built much taller since its structure is lighter and stronger than load-bearing masonry walls.
You absolutely need to know everything, otherwise some unpredicted force could act upon the structure which ultimately could lead to its collapse. You really think that they received all that funding with no guarantees, eyeballed it, once built someone slapped it and said "that ain't going nowhere" and everything worked out perfectly? You're delusional.
Everybody clap after that too?
Nope I’m not stupid and I’m not the culinary chef driving a forklift who makes fun of others for not going to college
fairy tail what else you have ?
Back in those days and further back where rais see d to be thinkers cause we had to figure stuff out, but thats not the way kids are raised today, back in my day I had to go to work everyday that I wasn't in school or Sundays unless we had an emergency, but even as kids we went outside everyday, if our bike broke, we had to figure out how to fix it so we could go back to riding with our friends, these aren't the things that the youth of today is, its like child abuse to teach your kids a trade, I've been married sense I was 19, had and raised 3 boys with the same woman running a business that I learned growing up in my family, you don't see that as much anymore because we left the old paths that worked because of these so called educated big thinkers, acting like they can reinvent the wheel in human nature
So basically not much changes in 40 years 😂
Fake it 'til you make it guys are always the first ones to go.
Sometimes they're the last ones to go just before the company goes under after everybody that actually knows their jobs are gone. (quit or downsized)
Fell in shit cone out smelling of roses type guy
And then everybody clapped
Hegseth Gabbard and Gaetz know all too well about this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
All the Trump voters should be the first to be on the front line 💯
why? the Trump voters are generally against the wars and in his 2016 term no new wars started and everyone stopped their saber rattling.
Compare that to any other president in the last 30 years and then ask "who wants war and should be forced to the front"
Lots of jobs, and now I know plenty. Many F ups, but you soon learn
This is why manufacturing is f'd in America lol Bullcrap over facts is a sure failure against a bunch of people that are factual in their abilities.
So what was he actually supposed to do?
Omg😂, so true.
You never know your dad may have started that. 🌬️🇺🇸
Baffle them with bullshit.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...
Literally everyday
What are punches???
Tools used to punch shapes out of plate material.
@ ahh and the roof is the angle of the edge to make it a blade?
@@LopuDesigns Blade is a bit of an over statement, but similar concept.
Peter Principal?
No, I haven’t.
I resemble that remark
Sounds like your grandfather was a pretty privileged person
Yeah, I call bullshit
Yeah this guy's a dork
Like the machine
Oh you censored that post quick!
I'm losing respect for you!!!
What did it say originally?
What post, what are you talking about?
I'm sure this is totally gonna ruin his day.
Sure that happened
Awesome awesome awesome
😂😂😂😂😂 how come?
Awesome.
So much lost hope. So conmen get the furthest
R/thathappend
So basically your father put a skilled worker out of a job. What a hero.
God HATES LIARS!
And I hate lies
Like god
God doesn't hate anyone, he simply judges
God hates???? Are you saying Jesus hates liars?
God hates almost everybody
Something fictional can’t hate
LMAO😂
Yup
Fake ass story
Cap