I understand the meaning of the word. Its inside of everyone and everything that exists without it everything will die. Its there but you can't hear it with your ears and can't see with your eyes. You need different ears and different eyes to see within.
A sound is only a sound because our ears translate vibrations into sound. Otherwise, it's just vibrations. So no, a tree falling only makes vibrations, sound only exists when ears exist to translate the vibrations.
I have to watch multiple times to understand it. Great excerpt about consciousness, reality. What is reality, why is its association with the divine important? What happened if there's no "divine" reality, and everyone just makes his or her own realities? How would that society end up? These are all good discussion points
I was pondering the beginning of John and how that applies to philosophy and theology and such And Dr. Peterson gave it an amazing explanation Im not surprised in the least of course always expect him to deliver Amazing work
Jordan , You are whit god and to be a high professor like you and have the courage to tuch the topic God just make you so much more intresting. Love from sweden
0:50 I also believe that the word is a representation of the inner logos of the workings of the universe itself. The God of the gaps theory or the idea that God is the actualizer of the universe fits into this. If you believe in quantum consciousness like me, it makes sense to believe that the singularity at the beginning of the universe housed all of the quantum information of the universe, which was actually the quantum computer that constitutes gods soul, and his thought or actualization of the manifestations of his soul were both the word, and the laws of physics. So when he "thinks" he can actualize the workings of the universe. I believe that the idea that we were created in his image means we were also given a soul of this sort. This is also supported by Dr. Stuart Hammeroffs theory of Orchestrated Obiective Reduction and quantum consciousness.
Imagine you meditate. Empty thoughts. This is the beginning of time when no concepts exist. Then out of that meditation if born the first concept, that makes all the other concepts possible: God. The 1st Word. GOD. if the 1st word was fire for example, creation wouldn't be possible. The only possible concept to exist 1st is God, a being that can Then create every other concept He can think of. I have a feeling we're all just in God's head, we are inside a mind.
Doesn’t Hinduism also involve a caste system though, or it did at one point? I know it’s complicated and there’s different forms of it, but I think the caste system makes people averse to the religion on the whole.
To an extent. Can I ask you a question. If the world rests on a elephant and the ehant rests on a turtle, what does the turtle rest on? Turtles all the way down?
This is somewhat like solipsism, how can know anything with absolute certainty, that is all knowledge is arbitary. Even shankara asks this , "How can the universe exist without me the witness to observe it ?"
Let me ask you. Are we so important that things only exist because we witness it or experience it? How is that not the ultimate expression of solipsism. Let me ask you another question. Are the feelings of our fellow brothers not real because we can't experience them? How can they exist if we can't feel their feelings? If the universe exists only because we witness it, we then fall into the trap of inteernize the world as an internal object. The world is now no longer outside our boundaries, but within our internal space for us to ma ipualte and Control as if it was ours. Iirc, one key element of the baghada vita answers this question in a similar way when we assume the position of the master, rather than the observer. And we both know what the consequences of that master observer choice imparts. However, i believe John and goes a bit deeper with his statment. That is, there is a truth that transcends any and all things, a truth that is and always has been, and always will be irrespective of us or any notion of us. Otherwise it wouldn't be eternal, much less be with / of / from God, such that it can be with us as sepf evident.
Sir may be as per christianity it is true but as per tantra or advaita ..word can't be without silence and there is no beginning even as world is not a creation but creativity on going..any take on this
i find it easier just to accept what I was taught in church: the Word = the words in the Bible = God Himself. Therefore whatever the printed words in the Bible say, I can trust that God Himself is saying. Does anybody know if Jordan mention that in this lecture at all? Too simplistic of an explanation?
No that's a very narrow and heterodox view of the Bible. The Bible is a collection of historical interactions between man and God. It wasn't handed down to us. But the early church compiled and selected the books which would fit into the Bible. Therefore Sola scriptura doesn't work
@@LawnCareLady how do you know that the gospel of john was written by John himself? please answer me solely from the scripture. let's see how sola scriptura works out for you.
Yet we are able to conceive the things God tells us. God being infinitely wiser and more sophisticated doesn't mean that there isn't one area in that infinite knowledge where we can comprehend
Well, he's way off.... thats not 3 sentences. That's one sentence. Ya don't begin sentences with "and". Also, clearly that is one's sentence, the "and" is lower case (I know I know, JKB and all bibles capitalise the "And", but, just like "but", ya don't use "And" at the start of a sentence. Once upon a time I read the bible without the "And"... just started at the second word, then I realised something. I could read it a bit differently. Instead of not reading the and, I took away the full stop on the previous sentence. So instead of; "In The Beginning was The Word. And The Word was with God. And The Word was God." I take away the fullstops. I read it as one sentence. I don't begin sentence with "And". "And" can not be the beginning of a sentence (that's not "And" at the beginning of a sentence, I'm not "using" "And" at the beginning of the sentence, I am naming it*) Tldr; I don't like "And" at the beginning of sentences, so in my mind I remove the fullstops in the bible. 0:24 John 1:1, that's one sentence, and it might have more to it. Ps, I always thought it was "And the word was good"?? I always thought that meant "language is good". All that aside..... as much as I love the bible, I am a huge critic of the Frenchie KJB guy. I don't need a Frenchie to teach me English- English is my first language. As much as I want to "believe it as gospel" and I do.... I read it through those above mentioned lens.
You absolutely CAN start sentences with And. And language thousands of years ago is obviously different, English has changed in the last 20 years! Now we have the Zoomer English, "dead ass no cap"
Let's look at this. In the beginning was the word not a word so it's a specific word. This word is seed and it falls on the ground which is the mind of man. Nobody comes to the Father but through the Son but nobody comes to the Son if the Father didn't draw him. Jesus prayed to God, " Father I don't pray for the world but for the ones which you gave me out of the world and for the ones which will come to me through their words ". Even the Holy Spirit will be send by God the word because while Peter spoke the people received the Holy Spirit. Also when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given by the Apostles he offered money. The gift of God comes from one person to the next, my Lord spoke to your Lord.
It means the man is the son of god. And his word is god itself or the truth. Jesus said He is the son of god, it means He is not saying He is god in person, but the same thing as God or a descendant of him, but not God or the ultimate, so he do not proclaim himself more than what he is and loose virtue, so you say I am the son of god but not god. If you say i am the word, wich is a riddle, it means you are your own voice and you dont have to justify that.
Jesus is the Word so He is God, He is the Wisdom Proverb 8, He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the End, nothing was made without Him, and through Him because he is the architect. In the beginning He was With God, and He was his happiness.
The book of Genesis doesnt refer the word as Jesus and the first man that was made was adam according to Genesis. There was no form in the world when God was about to create the world. He was roaming around with the word and the word was God which is also him. He live in all of us till today..
in the beginning was the word which invisible and word was GOD speak out and created universe and word + vibration became flesh so in the universe there was darkness water word vibration and the word is conscious and vibration creates the light so there will be frequency so light = light frequency hz and paino G note = to guitar g note or human voice and our body hz 10 = to wall hz 10 that means we can get into wall
Just as every good software has a good 'source code', God is telling us, he too had a sound 'source code' for Creation. His Word. In the beginning was the "Word" (source code), it was with him and it was a part of him. It tells us that all of creation - our solar system, the galaxy and all creatures big and small were his creation and it followed a certain pattern. Just a few other things, like the "Tree of life- Genesis 3:22-24 and the "Book of life"- Revelation 20:15. Remember, God did not forbid Adam from eating the fruit of the Tree of life. It looked just as unappealing to Adam, like it is unappealing to a lot of us today - Jesus (fruit of the tree of life). The fallen angels tried their hands a bit, to make their own creation too. They did procreate with the daughters of man. And then must've gone on to show men a lot of inventions like the early weapons - can't deny those things. God wasn't happy and put an end to their race in flesh. They still dwell among us in the form of unholy spirit. I sometimes wonder, if the dinosaurs were created by fallen angels. When God says he created the universe in 6 days, he didn't have to follow our Earthly timeline. I don't know how many hours make up a day for a Heavenly being. To him, a day can be a thousand years and a thousand years can be a day. So to us it might look like some things have been created a million years ago, while others more recent. People who refute creation for scientific time lines should realize the existence of space-time expansion.
1st there was nothing. Then a thought formed, "God" that was the Word. Did God create himself by thinking of the word "God"? 1st there was nothing, and then the MERE CONCEPT of God, The Word. This Word gave birth to God and then the rest is history. He went on to create the Universe afterwards.
I understand the meaning of the word.
Its inside of everyone and everything that exists without it everything will die.
Its there but you can't hear it with your ears and can't see with your eyes. You need different ears and different eyes to see within.
"Is there anything when no-one experiences it?"
"If a tree falls in the woods and no-one hears it, does it make a sound?"
Same question, really.
A sound is only a sound because our ears translate vibrations into sound. Otherwise, it's just vibrations. So no, a tree falling only makes vibrations, sound only exists when ears exist to translate the vibrations.
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
@@Mrs.IndiYoung The sound of this ass-whoopin'.
I have to watch multiple times to understand it. Great excerpt about consciousness, reality. What is reality, why is its association with the divine important? What happened if there's no "divine" reality, and everyone just makes his or her own realities? How would that society end up? These are all good discussion points
Please read my comment above. God bless you.
Truth will set you free
He is a great teacher!
In the begining was the word = in the begining we had conciousness before matter.
WE now have CONSCIOUSNESS IN MATTER.......LOL X
😮😮😮❤❤❤🎉🎉
I was pondering the beginning of John and how that applies to philosophy and theology and such
And Dr. Peterson gave it an amazing explanation
Im not surprised in the least of course always expect him to deliver
Amazing work
6 minutes in.
And the word was made manifest.
Thank you 😊
TheArchangel is back!
And he's pissed !
Amen
Jordan , You are whit god and to be a high professor like you and have the courage to tuch the topic God just make you so much more intresting. Love from sweden
Ancient solutions for modern problems presented in a original and creative way. Glad to be alive in the same era as JP.
مسیح پادشاهه من است ✝️🙏🏼🌹
0:50 I also believe that the word is a representation of the inner logos of the workings of the universe itself. The God of the gaps theory or the idea that God is the actualizer of the universe fits into this. If you believe in quantum consciousness like me, it makes sense to believe that the singularity at the beginning of the universe housed all of the quantum information of the universe, which was actually the quantum computer that constitutes gods soul, and his thought or actualization of the manifestations of his soul were both the word, and the laws of physics. So when he "thinks" he can actualize the workings of the universe. I believe that the idea that we were created in his image means we were also given a soul of this sort. This is also supported by Dr. Stuart Hammeroffs theory of Orchestrated Obiective Reduction and quantum consciousness.
What you or Peterson believe is hogwash.
I'm screenshotting this, this blew my mind!!
This shit so so complex my brain breaks lol
Imagine you meditate. Empty thoughts. This is the beginning of time when no concepts exist. Then out of that meditation if born the first concept, that makes all the other concepts possible: God. The 1st Word. GOD. if the 1st word was fire for example, creation wouldn't be possible. The only possible concept to exist 1st is God, a being that can Then create every other concept He can think of. I have a feeling we're all just in God's head, we are inside a mind.
The Birth of Language? Just a thought...
That’s some positive thinking! :)
I have a feeling it's not as simple as language
@@chaddedmapipi5789 you know how you have to thoroughly feel correctly in order to also speak correctly? Filtration is key :)
@@chaddedmapipi5789 if you think about it as the first step to everything else, the World we know was created with the "Word" first.
Basically is exactly the same principle states in the Advaita Vedanta of India written in the Upanishads
Doesn’t Hinduism also involve a caste system though, or it did at one point? I know it’s complicated and there’s different forms of it, but I think the caste system makes people averse to the religion on the whole.
To an extent.
Can I ask you a question. If the world rests on a elephant and the ehant rests on a turtle, what does the turtle rest on?
Turtles all the way down?
This is somewhat like solipsism, how can know anything with absolute certainty, that is all knowledge is arbitary.
Even shankara asks this , "How can the universe exist without me the witness to observe it ?"
Let me ask you. Are we so important that things only exist because we witness it or experience it? How is that not the ultimate expression of solipsism. Let me ask you another question.
Are the feelings of our fellow brothers not real because we can't experience them? How can they exist if we can't feel their feelings?
If the universe exists only because we witness it, we then fall into the trap of inteernize the world as an internal object. The world is now no longer outside our boundaries, but within our internal space for us to ma ipualte and Control as if it was ours. Iirc, one key element of the baghada vita answers this question in a similar way when we assume the position of the master, rather than the observer. And we both know what the consequences of that master observer choice imparts.
However, i believe John and goes a bit deeper with his statment. That is, there is a truth that transcends any and all things, a truth that is and always has been, and always will be irrespective of us or any notion of us. Otherwise it wouldn't be eternal, much less be with / of / from God, such that it can be with us as sepf evident.
@@damnmexican90 Thought provoking !
Sir may be as per christianity it is true but as per tantra or advaita ..word can't be without silence and there is no beginning even as world is not a creation but creativity on going..any take on this
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i find it easier just to accept what I was taught in church: the Word = the words in the Bible = God Himself. Therefore whatever the printed words in the Bible say, I can trust that God Himself is saying. Does anybody know if Jordan mention that in this lecture at all? Too simplistic of an explanation?
No that's a very narrow and heterodox view of the Bible. The Bible is a collection of historical interactions between man and God. It wasn't handed down to us. But the early church compiled and selected the books which would fit into the Bible. Therefore Sola scriptura doesn't work
Holy Trinity, Father, Spirit, and Holy Bible? I think not. Read carefully, Jesus is the Word, the Scriptures are testimony to Him!
@@brotherbear6434 okay - not trying to be weird here but who came up with "Sola Scriptura doesn't work"? Who said that? Does the Bible say that?
@@LawnCareLady how do you know that the gospel of john was written by John himself? please answer me solely from the scripture. let's see how sola scriptura works out for you.
@Wouspor 1 I don't know for sure. Doesn't mean that it isn't "God-breathed" as old Testament prophecies...
God is beyond our comprehension, good sir your starting to sound like woody Allen
You’re
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Yet we are able to conceive the things God tells us. God being infinitely wiser and more sophisticated doesn't mean that there isn't one area in that infinite knowledge where we can comprehend
@@chaddedmapipi5789 it's known that we are made in his image.
WELLL???
Well, he's way off.... thats not 3 sentences. That's one sentence. Ya don't begin sentences with "and". Also, clearly that is one's sentence, the "and" is lower case (I know I know, JKB and all bibles capitalise the "And", but, just like "but", ya don't use "And" at the start of a sentence.
Once upon a time I read the bible without the "And"... just started at the second word, then I realised something. I could read it a bit differently. Instead of not reading the and, I took away the full stop on the previous sentence. So instead of;
"In The Beginning was The Word.
And The Word was with God.
And The Word was God."
I take away the fullstops. I read it as one sentence.
I don't begin sentence with "And". "And" can not be the beginning of a sentence (that's not "And" at the beginning of a sentence, I'm not "using" "And" at the beginning of the sentence, I am naming it*)
Tldr;
I don't like "And" at the beginning of sentences, so in my mind I remove the fullstops in the bible. 0:24 John 1:1, that's one sentence, and it might have more to it.
Ps,
I always thought it was "And the word was good"?? I always thought that meant "language is good". All that aside..... as much as I love the bible, I am a huge critic of the Frenchie KJB guy. I don't need a Frenchie to teach me English- English is my first language.
As much as I want to "believe it as gospel" and I do.... I read it through those above mentioned lens.
You absolutely CAN start sentences with And. And language thousands of years ago is obviously different, English has changed in the last 20 years! Now we have the Zoomer English, "dead ass no cap"
Before God ! The word existed. THE LAW
Let's look at this. In the beginning was the word not a word so it's a specific word. This word is seed and it falls on the ground which is the mind of man.
Nobody comes to the Father but through the Son but nobody comes to the Son if the Father didn't draw him. Jesus prayed to God, " Father I don't pray for the world but for the ones which you gave me out of the world and for the ones which will come to me through their words ".
Even the Holy Spirit will be send by God the word because while Peter spoke the people received the Holy Spirit. Also when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given by the Apostles he offered money.
The gift of God comes from one person to the next, my Lord spoke to your Lord.
It means the man is the son of god. And his word is god itself or the truth. Jesus said He is the son of god, it means He is not saying He is god in person, but the same thing as God or a descendant of him, but not God or the ultimate, so he do not proclaim himself more than what he is and loose virtue, so you say I am the son of god but not god. If you say i am the word, wich is a riddle, it means you are your own voice and you dont have to justify that.
Jesus is the Word so He is God, He is the Wisdom Proverb 8, He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the End, nothing was made without Him, and through Him because he is the architect. In the beginning He was With God, and He was his happiness.
The book of Genesis doesnt refer the word as Jesus and the first man that was made was adam according to Genesis. There was no form in the world when God was about to create the world. He was roaming around with the word and the word was God which is also him. He live in all of us till today..
in the beginning was the word which invisible and word was GOD speak out and created universe and word + vibration became flesh so in the universe there was darkness water word vibration and the word is conscious and vibration creates the light so there will be frequency so light = light frequency hz and paino G note = to guitar g note or human voice and our body hz 10 = to wall hz 10 that means we can get into wall
Just as every good software has a good 'source code', God is telling us, he too had a sound 'source code' for Creation. His Word. In the beginning was the "Word" (source code), it was with him and it was a part of him.
It tells us that all of creation - our solar system, the galaxy and all creatures big and small were his creation and it followed a certain pattern.
Just a few other things, like the "Tree of life- Genesis 3:22-24 and the "Book of life"- Revelation 20:15.
Remember, God did not forbid Adam from eating the fruit of the Tree of life. It looked just as unappealing to Adam, like it is unappealing to a lot of us today - Jesus (fruit of the tree of life).
The fallen angels tried their hands a bit, to make their own creation too. They did procreate with the daughters of man. And then must've gone on to show men a lot of inventions like the early weapons - can't deny those things. God wasn't happy and put an end to their race in flesh. They still dwell among us in the form of unholy spirit. I sometimes wonder, if the dinosaurs were created by fallen angels. When God says he created the universe in 6 days, he didn't have to follow our Earthly timeline. I don't know how many hours make up a day for a Heavenly being. To him, a day can be a thousand years and a thousand years can be a day. So to us it might look like some things have been created a million years ago, while others more recent. People who refute creation for scientific time lines should realize the existence of space-time expansion.
God doesn't have a beginning
Word was with God
2 Gods
1st there was nothing. Then a thought formed, "God" that was the Word. Did God create himself by thinking of the word "God"? 1st there was nothing, and then the MERE CONCEPT of God, The Word. This Word gave birth to God and then the rest is history. He went on to create the Universe afterwards.
GOD WAS GOD BEFORE HE SPOKE A WORD ✝️
GOD WAS ALWAYS THERE … He is before all things . Before anything was created there was GOD
@@NowFaithis2024 but the Word is God
@mushroom11g55 yea, the Word and God have existed forever, they are the first uncaused cause
Before God ! The word existed. THE LAW