WHY 360 Buckhammer ? 35 Rem Killer ? SHOT 2023
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- Lots of 360 Buckhammer questions answered by Kris Carson, Product Manager for Remington Ammunition centerfire ammunition. Questions like, will it kill their commitment to the 35 Remington.
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We need more 200gr .35Rem
Bingo hundreds of thousands of rifles out they're chambered in 35 rem as well as straight wall cartridges that are hard to find unless you're shooting a 350 legend which is everywhere.
Agreed. Need more .35 ammo both from remi gton and hornady. Nothing wrong with the35 Remington caliber guns
@@keithlarge1151 …Nothing wrong is right, except in states that don’t allow it for hunting.
Much prefer the 200gr .35Rem over the 150gr.
@@briansearles4473 Me too for some game. But it’s just not legal in some states that call for a “straight walled cartridge.” Buying a .35 Remington or .30-30 in those states for hunting would be pointless, as they can’t be used. So that’s why people are going toward the 350 Legend. Personally, I prefer a .44magnum lever gun in states that don’t allow necked down cartridges. Most of the time, my .45-70 is just too big here in the lower 48.
I love the idea of the .360 Buckhammer, but what i reallt want to see is Henry & Marlin building an up-to-date high pressure .375 Win./ 38-55 that'll handle a 220 gr. bullet at 2450 - 2500 fps. Another one id like to see making a comeback is the .405 Win with a 250 gr load!
Thanks for asking the question that’s been on a lot of peoples minds. I can see the reasoning, kudos to Remington for stepping out. I am glad they are committed to the 35 Rem, it’s a great round. I have plenty of brass and may look to pick up some more just in case. I think the thing that excites me the most is that the 360 will hopefully prompt some new options in 358 diameter bullets. I have used both the 200gr FTX and the 180gr Speer quite a bit, but I hope they make the 180gr corelokt available as a component bullet.
The 180 gr Speer is my favorite in the 35 Rem. It penetrates like a much heavier bullet?
The 35 Rem. has history. It's been feeding families with venison for decades.
Amen!
So now what? Us old-timer 35ers are going to have to buy a new rifle? What a bunch of BS.
Great conversation! Glad to hear 35 Rem isn't going anywhere!
It's gone somewhere you can't buy it in stores I've had to pay 60 bucks a box online
Buckhammer will also work a bit better than Legend in single shots. Extractor for rimmed cartridge can have straight travel; extractor for rimless/rebated needs some wiggle up and down, and that wiggle needs to be controlled for it to work.
Not to mention, it should be easier to handload, as you're headspacing off the rim instead of the mouth.
Why not come back with the Old 357 maximum or 375 Winchester .. I'm not getting a 360 Buck Hammer or 35O legend. Screw that ! I need ammo and reloading components for all the different guns I do have.
Thanks you ask the right questions without being rude like I would be. I just frustrated with supply and cost.
Remington could care less for the demands of the 35 Remington.
So, straight wall case I get. What I don’t get is, we already had 38/55 and .375 Winchester. I’m having trouble with muddying up the water with more cartridges when existing guns in existing cartridges and almost the same caliber are hard or impossible to find.
It's the length as well.. needs to be 1.8 inches I believe in straight wall states. So.. you got 450 bushmaster 44 Remington Magnum 357 mag 350 legend and a few others.. I believe all pistol calibers above 35
I am a HUGE fan of the 35 Remington for different reasons than most and now live in a straight walled cartridge state so I will definitely be looking into this more because I’m also a lever lover
I live in a straight wall deer state when on public land, and would much rather have the 360 Buckhammer in a lever gun than a 350 Legend in another AR platform spin off. Great job Remington!
That's awesome! I'm sure they were thinking about guys just like you when they partnered with Henry over this development effort.
Yeah, I might get one of these 360 guns if I wanted to hunt in those states- but otherwise a .44 magnum Rossi 92 would be an option for me. I do appreciate that they're making a new lever action rifle cartridge instead of yet another AR cartridge, I like lever action rifles for hunting and that's a tradition I'd like to see stay with us.
@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n Yep all these new AR cartridges are a real yawner for me too.
I have been reloading for my 336 in 35 Rem for years. First choice bullet wise for me is the 180 grain Speer. Second choice is the 220 grn Speer. Given the difference in case lengths between the 35 Rem and the 360 Buckhammer means reloading bullets won't be interchangeable between the two. What worries me is that companies such as Sierra and Speer will start making .358 cal bullets with the crimping grove positioned for the shorter 360 case over the now obsolete 35 Rem case? It will be interesting to see how much longer Henry continues to chamber the 35 Rem now that they have "jumped on board" with the new 360 Buckhammer?
Great questions, all!
* The .35 Remington is not obsolete, yet.
There have been a few bullets with 2 crimping grooves offered by both Speer and Hornady for different applications.
Henry doesn't need to keep chambering the cartridge, because you can buy others. You just need the ammo manufacturers to keep making the ammo. In the end, if our rifles survive long enough, we'll just have them rebarreled.
I’m a bit of a 35 caliber nut. I have 35 Remington. 358 Winchester and 350 legend. I’m happy about this new offering and will be looking for one. I’m not in a “straight wall state” but want one anyway.
Actual.358 bullets 😁 Headspace on the rim😁
Bravo Remington
Amen!
Good job on this video! I like the sound of the new buck hammer! Hope Marlin gets on board
Me too!
Now, that was an interesting video. I don't own a rifle that shoots a .35 Remington, but I'm glad to hear on your behalf that Remington is going to continue making the cartridge. That .360 Buckhammer sounds like a promising cartridge, even though the Winchester .350 Legend is already out there and is a great hunting cartridge. I wish Henry lever, made one and not single shot. Great information. That's interesting to know that the bullet is the same diameter on the. 360 buckhammer is the same as the. 35 cartridge....Take Care and Be Safe.
They went with the traditional .358 caliber bullets instead of the .355 caliber bullets that the 350 Legend uses!
I get why Winchester did that.. going with 9mm bullets.. but there's a ton of folks who would not touch the 350 Legend due to that! Not to mention the others that wanted a lever action 35!
So we'll see.. it has my attention and I'm not in a restricted state :)
Great comment! Thanks!
@@blackie1of4 I am one of those Ohio deer hunters and won't touch the 350 legend because of that .355 diameter BS. Ohio law specifies .357 or larger. I know they allow the Legend but why have a rule if your not gonna stick with it. Someone at Winchester paid some money to someone at ODNR. Also as a handloader I like the rim headspacing option much better than a case mouth.
I own and love my late 50’s 336 in 35rem. I have to admit this 360BH has peaked my interest, so much so I bought the first one I saw at my LGS. The Henry model x in 360BH… Also ordered a set of rcbs dies, just waiting for load data. Hurry up Hodgdon!
The 360 does sound like it will be a good one, and it's definitely the only one I've gotten particularly excited about Ina long time. That said, the greatest part of the interview was the assurance that the magnificent .35 remington will live on!!!! I've been waiting so long to find ammo in the stores. The. 35rem is the primary reason I got into reloading (at insane cost buying all the equipment and exhausting work finding components). I have a less than 100 rounds of .35/.35 brass and about half is really old, but I treasure it!
LONG LIVE THE .35 REMINGTON!!!
I wish I could get a 35 Remington in an AR10 platform. It’s a rimless cartridge and should perform well.
Look into 358 Winchester
I looked up ballistics for both and they’re pretty close. The 35 Remington has a slight edge. Where I think the 350 has the edge is in price and availability. I haven’t seen 35 Remington on any shelf for quite some time. 350 is everywhere. From what I hear it’s going to be about 30-40% cheaper too. Oh well, out with the old, in with the new. Embrace the change? NOT!
I hope you are talking about the 350 legend, the 360 buck hammer is almost 200 fps faster than the 35 Remington.
@@jimmyjack6393 It’s that what we’re talking about. Listen to the video.
@@maxmccain8950 That's what the video is talking about, but you said 350 not 360
@@jimmyjack6393 I must be losing it. I can blame it on a lot of things but in reality I just screwed up. Thanks for the correction sir.
@@maxmccain8950 lol have a good one
Only thing that killed the 35 Remington was lack of ammo and Marlin went under
It shouldn't be dead. Remington just added a 150gr. bullet to their 35 Rem lineup.
@@TargetSuite still can't find rifles in 35 Remington
You spoke the truth brother. I asked Ruger if they could chamber their ranch rifle in .35 Remington. Fell on deaf ears. The bolt guns would be far cheaper for the public than a Henry.
While it’s $50 a box and new guns are a waiting game the .35 Rem isn’t dead. Winchester, Remington and Hornady all made round nose JSP’s for it last year, and Federal has promised to add it to their HammerDown lever cartridge line. Might be on life support but it’s not dead😂
@@davidrussell631 it's at the very least on life support
I heard that lever actions are more popular nowadays than they ever have been
Looks like Remington did everything right, that Winchester screwed up with the legend. Right bore diameter check. Right velocity check check. Right bullet design that is proven on game check check check. Able to be running lever guns check check check check. Now if I can just get Marlin to make one in a model 336. I will be all set with basically a 35 Remington legal for Ohio.
It does look like a winner. Ruger could not say, but I'll bet a Marlin Buckhammer offering is at least being looked at.
You know what? I approve of this. If they're going to make straight walled requirements, I like that this involves new lever gun cartridges instead of just more AR rounds.
Some people (like me ) just love a strait wall. I usually hunt with 38-55 but they hardly ever make ammo. I have to go to the gouge group on Gun Broker that charges you 2-3 times what a box would. I never could do people like that so I’ll probably switch to 360 buckhammer.
Pretty interested in this. We have several .35 Remington in the family but can't find ammo for them anymore. The .35/.30-30 wildcat has been around for a while. The main drawback of this, I think, will be that the 350 Legend can be used in a MSR so... yeah. In my main hunting state, we can use .35cal or larger in single shot, exposed hammer, breech loading rifles for "primitive weapons" season. I've been using .35 Whelen but prices have gone up a lot and ammo is hard to find because it isn't a MSR chambered round. I've been thinking of the 350 Legend because I can actually find ammo for it on the shelves locally, even though it's weaker than the .35 Remington. The 360 Buckhammer sounds ideal, to be honest, but ammo availability will be my ultimate decider.
Great questions for these guys,
Thanks for bringing this information to us out here on the interwebs!
I think it looks interesting to me just for a fun shooting standpoint easy to reload compared to a bottleneck cartridge I’ve been reloading a long time and straight wall cases are much simpler and that looks like a cool cartridge for cast bullet shooting.
Straight wall cases require an extra step called belling case mouth , I load for dozens of caliber for 49 years now
@@georgezink8256 You're very right on that extra step involved with straight case bodies.
But belling is usually not done as an independent step. And resizing is simpler with straight wall. Neither is hard, but subjectively to me I would say that straight wall is a bit more straight forward. I have no interest in 360 buckhammer personally (I have a couple 357 max rifles and don’t live in a straight wall state anyways), but I can certainly see some people might enjoy it.
.45-70 is a straight walled cartridge
Yes it is. But the case is too long. Same for the 32/40, 38/55, 444 & 375 Win. All too long of a case.
Some states have an overall length they have to go by so they can’t use 45/70
Several facts I did not know in addition to the cartridge, you presented this very well.
Yesss ! The .35 Remington lives !
I truly believe the Remington dude was pushing BS on the 35 rem. ammo production
Love this new round!
Well done
Great interview and video. Thank you. Take care!
Thanks, you too!
This is a great round for the single shot Henry. It has a rim and you can load pointed bullets in it. I will be buying one. 👍
I'm not a big fan of Henry leverguns. It's just a brand thing. But that single shot in 360 Buckhammer is likely going to force me to pull out my wallet
I can't wait to get a Magnum Research BFR chambered in 360 Buckhammer - looks like a nice combination
Talking about making a grown man smile, my eye was drawn to the dust collector behind you and only then did I notice the lumber. Shooting, reloading and woodworking means you are having plenty of fun. Thanks for your channel especially all things 44. I’m a new subscriber.
Good video Brother. I can fully understand the reason why there is a market for calibres like that. Interesting comment about ammo availability. Gotta be able to buy ammo in the future. Simple logistics but important! Thanks Dave 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Well.. the certainly picked a great name! Who doesn't like the sound of .. BUCKHAMMER??
I went down the rabbit hole with the 350 Legend when it came out.. and honestly fell in love after the first shot! What's not to love about a short lightweight rifle that points fast has low recoil accurate and has readily available ammo??
I hope that the 360 Buckhammer has the same or similar support! I never had any issues finding ammo for the 350 Legend. I don't live in a restricted state either!
There's room my safe for another deer getter :)
George.. I've been on the fence for awhile about getting myself a 35 Remington.. but I don't reload! So.. that had me thinking.. maybe not!
Then when I got my subscription from Guns and Ammo Jan 1st.. I seen the 360 Buckhammer article! Reading it and seeing exactly what it was and where it came from peaked my interest! At that time nobody had a video about the cartridge. It's sure spreading like wildfire!!!
I believe Remington and Federal will fill the shelves with ammo before we see any firearms. That is a great thing! So many people buying new firearms and can't find ammo is ridiculous!
So hopefully.. the BUCKHAMMER takes off and us hunters/shooters enjoy the support of these companies and their products!
PS.. this can only help the 35 Remington and it also will get more people educated on the 35 calibers! Which is my favorite caliber!
I have a handful.. the 358 Winchester the 350 Legend the 357 Magnum and had a 350 Remington Magnum! My favorite of the bunch is the 350 Legend ❤️
The Buckhammer can ride right beside it!
Priced the 35 Rem cartridge, ouch. This 360 sounds like a great all around cartridge. Combo of a 35 Rem and a 30-30, who would ever have thunk. You've brought home some great talking points from the show.
Thanks Mark!
Ifin ya all run out and get one remember to buy all the ammo for it you can get your rat claws on!Love the 35 rem but ya cant find ammo for it 60$a box of 20rns plus.but you can still get 30-30 ammo at wally mart fur under 25$ a box and it will take care of whats out there fur ya too.170grn iz tha way to go.
I'm curious to see where this goes. Last new cartridge I saw to come out was .30 Super Carry and it was just dead on arrival. Hope the R&D and production pays off for this one for those states that have their specific hunting laws, but I know this will still come with the ire of .35 Rem shooters. I'll never hear the end of it at work... 😩
How about the flash in the pan .224 Valkyrie? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.224_Valkyrie
I’ve seen ammo for this but no gun
@@georgezink8256 I think I saw an article somewhere that said Henry Repeating Arms will have some offerings in it for the near future? I could be mis-remembering things though.
That super carry hit the shelves and just stayed there. Looks like people are sticking with the micro 9s.
Remington famous for putting out a new cartridge and letting it die. Ex. Remington 30AR, 6 mm rem., 17 Rem.,17 fireball. And on and on.
Yes, this is an exciting new cartridge for sure 👍
Go Big Green!! Love the Corelokts. With 150 gr 180gr & 200gr that's a good variety especially for reloaders to fine tune with. Great they will bring out more 35 Remington loads. Thanks. Stay safe.
Hey bill
@@jamespugh Hey James. Hope people give this round a chance before putting it down. For certain people & states it really has a good future. 👍 If we could just get CW interested in it. Lol
What I'd like to see from Remington in .35 caliber is 250 gr Core-Lokt ammunition in .350 Rem Mag. The 200 gr Core-Lokt .350 Rem Mag is a deer/black bear load. I want the capability to use 250 gr Core-Lokt factory loads for elk, bison and moose.
Thanks for bringing that great info to us, George. Makes me wonder if I have room for another set of dies. I’ll have to know more about the ballistic and terminal capabilities of this round vs the 35 Rem to see if I want to wait and get my new classic 336 in 360 Buckhammer or get another 35 Remington. I assume you’ll be ahead of the curve with that comparison. Looking forward to the 30/30 vs 35 Remington vs 360 Buckhammer Target Suite shootoff!
And the 350 Legend😉 That could be a long video 😄
The 444 marlin outshines them all .
Great video! Thank you! Remington Corelokts are the best!
Nifty looking round for sure. If they make some ~220 grain loads going bout 2100fps I bet it’d make a dandy brush gun for bigger game like bear and moose.
Buffalo Bore loads a 220 grain bullet with 2200 fps in .35 Rem. I'm still going to get the new Buck Hammer, anyway.😃
How about the 255gr @ 1,950 fps of the .38-55 that Buffalo Bore loads?
@@exothermal.sprocket For a .38-55 that's a lot of punch. I'd still prefer the .375 Winchester.
@@Mark-uq9km It was supposed to be a higher pressure higher performance .38-55 and that it was.... but for some reason it was discontinued and the former has made a stable place.
@@exothermal.sprocket I know it was supposed to be a better .38-55 and the .375 Win is a very fine round. I think when it came out most shooters and hunter thought it would be a worthy alternative to the .348 Win which it isn't. Ballistically the .348 is superior although the .375 uses heavier bullets. Consequently the .375 Win essentially fell of the face of the earth. However, if you look for one at a gun auction site the model 94 with the beefed up receiver and an angle eject are incredibly expensive as is any .348 Win.
Sounds like a winner. You brought up some excellent questions. Did I hear you correctly, George? At 1:40 I thought I heard you say that the .45-70 is a "bottle neck" cartridge? Did you stay up until the wee hours of the morning? :))
If I did it was fatigue induced😄
While 45-70 isn't bottle necked, it is still illegal in some of those states due to the length of the cartridge. Or at leas tthat's my understanding. WE don't have to worry about any of that here in South Alabama
@@TargetSuite Too many bottle necks??? :)))
A straight wall 30-30 is equal to or basically a 38-55!
VERY similar to one of my favorites the 35(30-30 been around since the 1900’s
I found one .360 Buckhammer Henry Big Boy in stock about a week and a half ago. I almost popped on it then but wanted to do a little more research first. Now I am convinced this is the round that I want and it's sold out. Signing up for in stock notifications with several retailers now.
Very good informative video George. Enjoyed getting filled in on the new cartridge. I do feel bold move in the face modern conventional thought. Glad to see thinking like that.
One thing that puzzles me regarding all these straight walled case rules is some states were very specific for quite awhile about calibers of handguns that we were allowed to hunt deer with years ago. Then this straight walled idea came changing to rifles from simply our slug guns. Which I’m all for. What the point here is why wouldn’t the game divisions simply specify 30-30 Win or 35 Remington and the multitude of other bottleneck cartridges as being legal also. Especially when we are developing straight wall cartridges that rival many of these older cartridges performance? Surely it is not for the safety level once thought to be of major concern by not allowing rifles in populated area. They could start with five of our older lever action cartridges specifically and see how it goes. Your thoughts?
I wish they would continue to produce their 20 ga buckhammer slug ammo. Some of us still have to hunt shotgun with slugs only. Good lead, sabot slug ammo is near impossible to find. Their simple buckhammers were excellent out of my H&R. It would also be nice if Henry would produce their single shot rifled shotgun in 20 ga.
It definitely has a deer hunter attractive name going for it! BUCKHAMMER. 🦌
I’m I the only that caught the part (2:40ish) where when you asked about the commitment to .35 rem he said yes it already has?? Then later he acted like it wasn’t an issue.
Well I love my 35 Remington's, and I'm not going to stop shooting them for another 35 round.
Essentially they dragged the 357 Herrett out of retirement and made it a true straight wall? I'm all for going back a step to heavy and slower cartridges, keeps the creedmoor/prc/nosler guys from wounding stuff at 500yds.
They have more than enough ballistic energy at 500 yards to drop elk, if they are wounding its cause they just cant shoot. An buying the new craze makes them think they can.
@@Yettiattack you're exactly right.
Remington needs to step up production of 35 ammo, you still cant find it anywhere (except $4 a bullet scalpers), and when you cant find ammo, no one will buy a gun in that caliber
Hopefully we will see more .358 style projectile options on the shelf on the positive side so I have more options for all my other chambered rifles that run .358’s. Wish it was .360” as it would probably be more accurate in my .357” and .358” slugged barrels.
I think 35 is already gone I have 2 marlin 35s I have had to buy it from individuals and online for as much as 60 bucks a box I don't want my 336s to become obsolete I've had them since1977 when I was 15
Excellent 👍. You had a good time and produced a lot of content out of that shot show this year. How many days did you spend there? I would love to go to shot show sometime. Do you have any larger gun shows that you typically attend every year? Maybe when I retire I thought it would be fun too go to some of these events. Thank you 👍
Shot Show really is a spectacle of unbelievable proportions. But you have to be connected to the industry somehow to get in because it is not open to the public. My ticket was my TH-cam channel, which got me in as a media representative. The other big gun show that I hope to attend this spring is the Wanamaker gun show in Tulsa Oklahoma. That is open to the public.
The straight wall thing will eventually go away. JMO.
Thank again for asking the questions, gaining the insights and passing it along to us! Glad to hear this is going to compliment not detract form 35 Remington production! I don’t have a 35 Rem but good to hear they are not abandoning those folks. With the 360 being based on the 38-55/30-30 case, it is intriguing and probably the direction I would head if go for something besides 32 Win Special. Btw thanks Remington Ammo as you have kept may 32 Win fed though it’s a costly endeavor these days. Again God Bless and I am looking forward to the next one!
I also have a 32 special 1894. Hornady told me they’re doing a run of ammo in March.
I don't own a .38-55, but every time I'm looking for Winchester 94's on Gunbroker, I see quite a few new offerings in that chamber. I consider it to be a .37 caliber version of a .45-70 essentially. I especially like the half-octagon 24" Winchester 94 models in .38-55. When I've researched around the internet to see what the feasibility is of getting components or loaded ammo for it, it's a little discouraging. But nowhere near as scarce or impossible as say, a .348 Win or .405 Win or something of that nature.
@palerider7171 I just bought 3 boxes of that 32 Win ammo from Remington online. Pricey, but glad they are still making it.
@@michfish2260 Good to hear, though they might have forgotten us! They are hotter than the Remington and I had to do some consideration before I shoot it in my 1906. Bores a little rough but it seems to digest the Remington well. The previous owner used black powder, it shows and 26” octagon barrels aren’t common. I am interested in you opinion. Thanks
@@exothermal.sprocket had a 375 Win and that is harder to come by. Buffalo bore makes a 38-55 thats stout and generally available. Hope that helps.
Wow Remington is pushing this round HARD
Remington has no intension of making more 35 rem ammo, it all about quick money and bankruptcy.
George, really good interview. I like the way you kinda force an answer of them lol. I often wondered about the mindset of politicians in these "straight-wall" states that come up with these kind of rules. I mean, really !! A 30-30 is illegal, but the same cartridge in a strait wall design that's 300fps faster is legal? Will never understand the reasoning but here's the thing; it will not surprise me to hear about more and more states inflicting these rules on hunters to reduce the use of other firearms (AR platforms for instance). I figure its part of the gun grab that's going on.
I'm with you Max. I think there is a Sinister side to this type of regulation.
I have a old Marlin in superb condition in 35 Rem and getting ammo here in Norway,well that is not easy. I reload of course, but the cases cost ALOT. But even worse is the cost for getting brass for the 348Win,they are super expensive here,100 casings is ca 200-300 dollars atleast. But 30-30 and 45-70 is everywhere,so that is no problem at all.
Having several lever rifles. I was interested in a .350 Legend lever rifle and a wheel gun pistol. So with the 360 Buchammer, I may end up giving my two 350 Legend bolt actions to my grandkids.
I have both the 30-30 and 35 Ram. The 360 buck hammer is a day Late And a dollar short, just like the 35 Ram was to the 30-30. People are buying that 350 legend. And that's probably where most of the sales will stay. I do like to use my 35 Rem. Recently seen Some on the shelf, they were 50 plus dollars a box that needs to come down.
Why would people think 35 Rem ammo is going away? There are a bazillion guns out there for it in states that haven't walked down the stupid straight case cartridge trail.
Hmmm... I was just about decided that this 360 Buckhammer was in my future, and then I watched another TH-camr comparing the new 400 Legend to the 30-30. Assuming they'll have a tubular-magazine-safe loading, I'm leaning toward the 400 Legend. Just leaning though... Still undecided. Sure would like to see those two go head-to-head with the 35 Remington.
35 rem there is a lot of them out there and people love them and they can't find ammo for them I've been looking for a month or two and can't find any let alone 200gr
38-55 seems to work great.
I have trouble believing them. My favorite hunting gun is the 30 Rem AR. I was hung out by Rem when they quit making the ammo. I run around buying every round I can find and am now reloading some
I was very interested in the 30AR
myself, but I never saw any factory
ammo or brass or dies for a
reasonable price. That's 1st and
foremost to me. If I can't feed it
and work up loads for it, it's scratched off the list. Shame too,
because I heard nothing but glowing
reports for it
The 35rem is the best thing Remington ever developed along with the JMB designed model 81
.444 Marlin>Everything else
Good morning to everyone, very nice video very informative. My choice is 35 Remington. I’ve looked up information on the new 360 buck hammer I personally think it’s just something that they’re throwing out there again just stimulate business, keep in mind this is just my opinion.
PS. I have an original 35 Remington made in 1952 and I would not mind getting a new rifle chambered in 35 Remington, but that’s as far as it goes. !
👍. JUST TO BE CLEAR , I realize that the 360 BUCKHAMMER was not made to replace the 35 REMINGTON and that the 360 is a straight walled cartridge !
I think you and the people that liked your post need to watch the video again, this time using the Closed Captions. They both explained that the 360 Buckhammer cartridge was NOT to replace the .35 Remington cartridge.
The new 360 Buckhammer is meant to be used in U.S. States that demand hunting be done with a straight-wall cartridge. {As shown by the display booth enlarged cartridge, rather a bottleneck style.} Some U.S. States only allow straight walled cartridges for hunting (usually Deer) because there are several towns and cities and farms near the places that Deer like to feed and sleep and live in/at.
The Fish & Game Departments (Some States call it D.N.R. now) in the various States do not want humans to be accidently shot when some bad marksman misses a deer (often termed "Buck Fever"), and the stray bullet winds up hitting a house, car, school two miles away. High Velocity bottleneck cartridge bullets can travel many miles. {A .22 long rifle rimfire bullet can travel a mile.}
Bottleneck cartridges such as the tried and true .30-06 Springfield and the .35 Reminton are "Bottleneck" style brass cases, therefore they hold more gun powder and the bullet travels farther. A Straight Wall cartridge case holds less gun powder so the bullet will not travel as far.
For example: The famous and versatile .22 Long Rifle rimfire cartridge with a 40-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 1,150 feet per second. The bottleneck case .22 Hornet centerfire with a 40-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of about 2,765 feet per second.
Some U.S. States (New Jersey comes to mind, and for decades, neighboring Pennsylvania) allow ONLY Shotguns for hunting. Shotgun slugs or "Buck Shot" ammunition because those projectiles do not travel as far. Other U.S. States have different rules depending on which County you might be hunting in. If near towns or cities, then it is Archery, Muzzleloader rifles or Shotguns, and some places, Straight wall cartridges.
If a hunter violates the rules / regulations, depending on the State or Federal land he is hunting on, he could be arrested by the Game Warden / County Sheriff / Forest Ranger and have his firearm taken away and even jailed, and probably fined $$$.
I like the idea of a new rimmed cartridge. They chamber and eject well and work fine in Lever-actions and single-shot break-action and double barrel rifles. Since .358 caliber bullets are available then the new 360 Buckhammer seems like a good idea for cartridge reloaders.
If you and other readers what more cartridge information, then get a copy of "Cartridges of The World". I have two editions (Purchased used on E-bay) written by Frank Barnes and edited by John Amber. Mr. Barnes and Mr. Amber are gone now, but I imagine somebody else has compiled a newer edition. U.S.A., British, European, Scandinavian and other cartridges. Civilian and military listings are covered with a short history of obsolete and modern cartridges, both centerfire and rimfire.
@@gusloader123 I realize that it wasn’t made to replace the 35 Remington, my point is there’s a lot of rifles already out there or cartridges that fit that criteria !
375 win (38-55 same) is a 30-30 case that isn’t quite “straight wall”, it has taper from head to neck. If the 375 has taper, how did they take it down to 357-358 without taper? If considerable taper is acceptable then why a 360 REM, why not use the 375 win? 375 win is a very capable cartridge!
I Like Rimmed Cartridges Especially in Single Shot Guns
I get why they're doing this. You can't just discount the straight wall market because it's only a few states. Those states happen to have some of the highest hunter numbers in the US, and they needed something to capture some of the 450BM and 350LGND market. I will probably pick one of these up for MI and IL where I deer hunt. Ballistically this round is as good or better than a 30-30, so I don't know why some of these states don't just approve that and make it easy on all of us.
The shooter who already has a good supply of .35 Remington cases should feel reassured that enough suitable bullets will be available to keep an old Marlin or Remington rifle in regular use.
Cool new round sort of surprise browning never did a blr in 350 l
Or Ruger thinking the 96 series lever
Or savage as matter fact
Nice there a new option for the lever in straight wall states
For those of us who might already know this, the parent casing for the .30-30 (also known as .30 WCF) has been the original .38-55 which is a straight wall cartridge. While I know the usage of that cartridge is probably solidly in the status of "obsolete" by dictionary definition, it's still being made in modern Winchester 94 actions, still being made by Winchester ammunition, HSM, and a maybe a couple others. The only brand I've seen that give it a boost is Buffalo Bore. It's a .377-.378 caliber which is a little odd, as compared to the extremely available .358 caliber (the new 360 Buckhammer).
Is there a cartridge overall length restriction involved in the reason the .38-55 shouldn't just get some attention instead of necking that case to .358? I'm sure the 360 is going to be running respectable pressures compared to the .38-55 (or the subsequent .375 which died off while the original stayed).
For Remington, I think the decision was driven by their pre-existing .358 cal. CoreLokt capacity.
@@TargetSuite That would make sense. I wonder what the case length will be compared to a factory .38-55...
Some states have a max case length that the .38-55 may exceed. The .375 Win must also be too long.
.38-55 Winchester And the modernized and stretched out .375 Winchester "big bore" evolution of the .38-55 are two excellent straight wall lever action deer cartridges that really could stand a re-run in those straight wall restricted states. Both also make for great single shot rifle cartridges as well.
Marketing buzz from the new cartridge name will generate more sales than waking up the good ol' 38-55.
I among others wonder why the 357 maximum isn't chambered in a lever action ? Also, a cartridge from Remington and is strait walled and a bit shorter than the 360 so it matches the requirements and can be loaded with heavier bullets.
I just loaded200 grain bullets in my t c encore 357 max. Kicks like a mill but very accurate
Pistol
I could be very interested in a
357max lever. I've taken whitetail
with the maximum, and it's very capable.
It'll also have to be affordable,
and not 2 grand
@@maxpinson5002 I have smith and Wesson 460 with 8 inch barrel and I shoot 454 casull and 45 long colt . But I to would like a 357 maximum in lever action ? But I want 22 to 24 inch barrel , remember for each inch of barrel lost 35 and up feet per second is Lost with short barrels, and also handling is better with longer barrels , I’m going to write Henry a letter requesting a lever action in 357 maximum . I called my favorite folks at Ruger to request a mini14 in 6.8spc caliber and I’m praying that young lady I talked to there in Nc would give bosses my request!
At least Henry retail is less
than a grand for pretty much
all their regular non-commemerative
rifles. They were wise to pick up
the slack after the remlin people
ran marlin into the ground
Since I am an avid handloader I could change my mind about the 360 Buckhammer. If the reloading equipment manufacturers made a carbide die that requires no case lube for the 360 could make it interesting for me. The additional step of flaring a case mouth is a non issue to me compared to lubeing cases for resizing. I even slightly bell mouth rifle cases . Makes life easier. I use a progressive press for straight wall cases anyway.
Having used a 350 legend its main downfall was hand-loading headspace. This with the rim and a bit more pop is improved.
Finally! Someone who understands the limitations of the 350 Legend. Thank you for your comment and thank you for watching!
I have 3 30-30 lever actions, a 45-70 and 45 LC…..so I dont see a need for this in my safe….although since my 350 legend wont be in a lever any time soon….I may pick one of these up.
People been reboring worn out 30-30s to 35-30-30 for years. Problem was load data for it. Now if they can figure out how to fit it in a bolt gun. The market isn't going to boom for this cartridge if it's only chambered in Henry rifles. If Henry can't market this effectively, it will die off quickly. Verses if Ruger could chamber it in a ranch rifle at a far better price.
Rem core lock , best bullet ever made !
one year later. looks like Remington fed us BS. have not seen one dam box of ammo on the ammo search engines. great way to push products (360 buck hammer)is just kill the competition! hundred of thousand of 35 Remington rifles and zilch ammo. the good new is that I picked up first year waffle top 35 rem in mint condition cause they guy could not get any ammo for it. talked with everglades bullet co owner a while back about making cases for the 35 rem from other avail brass, said it very hard process. come on Remington, don't kill this great classic off for quick money, where is your pride that made Remington.great!
I have hunted deer for many many years with a Marlin chambered in 35 Rem. I Can not find any ammo for it now. Luckily I have a little over two boxes that I am being vary careful with. Have you heard any thing about when 35 Rem. ammo will be on the shelfs again?
I purchased a little over 100 rounds of Winchester PowerPoint and Hornady Leverevolution A few weeks ago from Bass Pro Shop. There’s 35 Remington out there again, just do a web search. I paid $44 a box for mine.
I've been able to get over 200 rounds this year between gun shows and a local range/shop. Averaged about $60 a box. It's out there, but it ain't cheap.
When I asked about it at Bass Pro or any other chain store, I might as well have been asking to speak with Santa Claus by the looks I got.
The big ammo manufacturers except for maybe Federal made ammo for it last year, although not much. You just gotta keep an eye out and I’d recommend checking online.
@TargetSuite you should test out this 360 buckhammer cartridge in a Henry made rifle?
When Remington says the 360 Buck hammer is based on the 30-30 case one must keep in mind that the 30-30 case is thin and I have read that’s one of the limiting factors of why the 30-30 cannot be loaded to be more powerful. I wonder if the 360 Buck hammer will also have thin brass cases or are they drawn to be slightly thicker than the 30-30 case. Just a thought
Sometimes using really high pressures is not really desirable. If the round does its job more blast, wear and tear, and recoil is just posturing IMO.
Is the 38-55 win. considered a straight wall cartridge?
Glade here still make 35rem with add this new one. But like see 35remington on shelf have seen in 2 years or so when do see or here some one say Sean it's close $60 a box.
358 cal bullets for us reloader are $64 a box of 50 know
I hear good things about Henrys, but they’re already hard to come by and they’re launching so many new models already. Hope it doesn’t tank the caliber, but I’m already invested in 350 Legend.
To bad Smith & Wesson isn’t doing anything with the Thompson Center line. The 360 would be a great round in the Encore. And I have always wondered why the.357 Maximum was never chambered in a lever gun.
I wonder if Magnum Research is going to make a BFR in this.🤔
I’m sure they will they did the 45/70 and 350 legend so why not.
I'm betting there will be a few making a revolver.. S&W had the 350 Legend.. the 360 Buckhammer wouldn't need moon clips
Many people are asking about new calibers like this, or 30SC, why now? The fact is, these have probably been in development and testing for a few years. They might have started developing this in 2018 or 2019 having no idea what the world was getting ready to unleash on the economy and the world of ammunition. If they've already sunk a significant amount of R&D into the project, no sense backing out. Might as well finish the task, put it on the market and see what the world makes of it.
360 sounds like a great idea love 350 it's a over achiever with little kick and 450 is over kill with a lot of muzzle blast. I use ear plugs hunting with it this might be goldilocks zone dam might need to get another gun.
I’m thinking of the 38-55 then the .375 Winchester.