@@winterispretty6464 wow that sounds like an interesting anti-spam mechanic :o. not sure what top players have to say but I do like hearing notes unplayed in section parts people can't play rather than offbeat keymash. not sure what it entails for dumpcharts though.
12:54 it’s by far the most beginner friendly rhythm game (with the possible exception of fnf just for it’s aesthetic). Adding songs is a simple as clicking on a chart that you like, and adding skins is as simple as subscribing to one you like on the steam workshop. Having everything there for you to download from the game rather than downloading them from an external website allows for people who have never played a rhythm game before to just jump right in and start playing (I mean all 4K rhythm games technically can, but Quaver’s ease of use for downloading songs allows for more immediate song choices). Honestly I feel like as Quaver’s community grows, the quality of the both the charts and the skins will grow along with it.
I personally started getting into rhythm games around 6 months ago, and I started with Quaver, and as soon as I got it downloaded I was playing my first song within a couple minutes. After deciding to get a skin I looked through the steam workshop, found one I liked, subscribed to it and was instantly able to play with it. I decided to find other easy charts to play so I looked at the maps section, so a couple that I liked, clicked on them to download, and was instantly able to play them all within a couple of minutes. I decided to try Osu! and it took me nearly 30 minutes trying to figure everything out, getting a skin installed, and finding which charts could even be played in mania, than which charts are played in 4K, than find one that wasn’t brutally difficult for my skill level at the time. I ended up only really being able to play 2 songs that met those conditions (I wasn’t very good at the time) and while I was trying to find more songs online to download, I got really confused at how the search system worked as I couldn’t find an option to have it only show 4K games. And I didn’t even bother trying Eterna as it just looked way too confusing and I heard that it really wasn’t beginner friendly.
And honestly I haven’t tried Stepmania yet, but I don’t really see a need to right now. I have almost 100 hours in Quaver, and I have a few FNF mods that I really enjoy playing as well, so I don’t really see myself needing to play anything else right now, but maybe as I get better I’ll give different ones a try.
This is also the reason for me, I also downloaded etterna, but kinda hated it because overall its not user-friendly, ruining the fun for me. Quaver on the other hand is easy to understand and you can get going in minutes.
Tbh for me, it takes the easiness of use of osu mania and combines it with all the good features etterna has which makes it my current choice of the 3, and I'm able to import everything from etterna and osu mania to play on one engine with ease
This, all of this. The user friendliness of Etterna needs a lot of help. It really isn't a boon for your game if I have to dig through release notes to find how to use the new features added to the game this release. I literally never did understand how practice mode worked until I asked a dev. While yes the map selection is garbage and the difficulty system even more so, it is at least promising to see the devs actively working on it rather than sitting back and watching the garbage fire burn hotter like o!m.
@@SilverBullet27188 How is the difficulty system for Etterna garbage? To me at least, it seems far better than anything else in any other game I've seen.
Quaver makes it much easier to use on GNU Linux. Publishing the game on steam gives it almost perfect compatibility on launch. I found myself stuck between Windows with Osu, or Linux without it. A steam release of a mania game is JUST what i needed, and lets me use the OS i love.
@@choke- DON'T use poons guide its outdated and new winetricks is way better now just install from lutris and then switch the runner to the current "lutris-6.x" and done
@Oliver Ridderstolpe Hello, I'm a osu!mania player who migrated to Quaver and have 583 hours on the game, (Tempy #56) I just thought that transferring to Quaver as a o!m player would be easier to transferring to Etterna due to it's simpler look and how much setup there is compared to the two games.
@@triiodide7762etterna got it's base from stepmania, and I've played etterna and quaver, and I easily prefer quaver over etterna, etterna ui's it's just bad, and it was pretty like stepmania, which I don't like alot.
@@triiodide7762 i tried, but etterna is so hard to set up, i still havent been able to do it, and I end up coming back to o!mania after a while. just downloaded quaver tho
i literally installed quaver, played like 7 charts at my skill level and went "nope" shits mapped weird. I'm sticking to Etterna. That and there's no hallway in Quaver.
Dang I didn't realize how much the game has changed until I came and watched this. A bunch of the quality of life stuff has been increased, for example it now has map packs.
bruh there are things like negative sv and such but that hasn't really been utilized and pretty much all the first maps I downloaded on there are from osu converted like... idk man
I just play quaver for the speed rates for 7k, taking out SVs and playing 7k up scroll which so far, I can only do in o!m. I can import all of the maps from o!m & etterna into quaver anyways so I have a lot of maps to play with. Also what I dislike about o!m is that a lot of the maps have diverse HP & OD drains, taking away the feelings of accomplishment from them, or fooling me into believing my skill is better than the usual, because I could mash my way through them, or easily acc them because they have absurdly low OD.
I agree hp and/or od are a problem with converted maps from other games to osu!mania. They often have default values of 5 or ridiculously low/high values because noone took care of them. If you play maps from decent mappers that mapped specifically for osu!mania I don't think you will run into this problem. Personally I don't look at these values because you can play a map and play it again after a while to get a better picture if you're getting good or not Not even gonna say a word against the speed rate mod. That's what any rhythm game needs and I'd definitely try quaver out just because of that
As of December 30th, 2021, the Quaver difficulty system is still sometimes inconsistent. It will give jumptrills, rolls, half-rolls, other burst patterns and vibro patterns a low difficulty if extended for around at least 3 seconds. Beatmaps from osu such as isogu (jumptrill map) and dien may xanh (vibro map) are given very incorrect difficulties and according to quaver, I can't even describe the dien may xanh error. For some reason, the difficulty algorithm thinks the 135 bpm vibro is harder than a 210 bpm vibro, which is very wrong. Additionally, a inhuman vibro section of a map would be given a low difficulty, lowering the difficulty of the chart. On the other hand, I found that streams with a lot of trills integrated into them are given a much higher difficulty than what they should be. I don't know about any other patterns. However, Quaver gives the ability to port over osu!mania and etterna/stepmania beatmaps, which I find to be a great addition.
Everything is quite literally in front of you in Etterna. The only reason it seems more complicated is because it gives you more things to customize to specifically make the game more comfortable for you. Everything in both the menu and song options is also defined on everything you highlight.
12:50 - I don't know about the execution (because i haven't played quaver yet), but i believe the intention was good. I get etterna is better balanced than osu in terms of gameplay or whatever, but etterna is sooo unwelcomming to new players or players that want to transition from osu, i tried to move to etterna multiple times but i just couldn't get myself to. Also, in osu you can much more easily interact with other people than in etterna. So making a game that combines these two games into one, in paper, is a really good idea, and could potentially unite the mania community into that game alone, so imo that's why it exist in the first place
When creating a skin on Quaver there aren't many options to adjust the skins parameters based on the users settings. They have different settings and positions for 4k and 7k and thats about it. When it comes to changing the location of the note receptor or things like the score, there aren't any options to automatically change based on down/up scroll or resolution and stuff like that. This leads to skins being broken when the one using them is playing on different settings than the one who made them. This can sort of be fixed if the user manually changes all the settings for the skin but doing so is far from easy. So the guy at 6:06 isn't at fault.
i just like the fact that its less crowded than mania, and that i can have completely custom judjment windows and that the user info is completely understandable. it runs great on mac. i guess its just that this game was my first ever rythm game, and i feel very at heart, sorry if this is a rant. I love your content and i respect your statement, and i beleive it is valid. Thank you.
I think the point of quaver is to be a dedicated mania game with a polished UI like osu's. As is stands, osu!mania to me feels like absolute trash to play, but I did come to mania from osu!standard, so i'm used to having a good UI from osu. I've ultimately settled on etterna because etternas gameplay is superior, but I'll admit that I feel like etternas UI is ugly and kind of a PITA to use. I guess once you've gotten over the learning curve it's fine, but I feel like I could not convince any of my friends to play etterna because of how weird/overly functional the UX is. They might try osu, but osu's 4k is kind of garbage imo. I think quaver is for all of those people who i described, which might be a larger group than you might think. I'm going to stick with etterna for now but I'm certainly curious about this games future. I think it has potential to improve and to become the best of both worlds.
@@denny141196 imo osu!mania beatmaps are garbage. They feel boring and uninspired. Finding a great beatmap is just hard. While etterna's beatmaps are just better. Not perfect but better. (I also hate the o!m release feature)
Tbh yeah I agree with everything you stated, though I have to admit Quaver has a lot of potential to be on par with Osu and Etterna, they just have to fix all the problems they have currently (mainly the map set, some maps also have really off difficulty rates) which makes it even more frustrating finding maps at your level. I wish the best of luck to Quaver though
As somebody who casually started playing 4K in o!m, this game looks very attractive to me. I’ll probably switch over since finding songs I can play will be way easier.
Yeah. Definitely the more aesthetically appreciated game. Etterna has superior gameplay, but I def see people going to the others because of their aesthetic.
@@nivdy osu!mania SUCKS for finding beatmaps I just realized holy shit. it takes a custom website to narrow down what difficulty or even amount of KEYS you want in a map
on the mapping side, i think its cause 99% of the ranked osu!mania mappers also put their maps onto quaver, which just transfers the problem of overly generic and uninspired maps/songs from osu to quaver as well tl;dr blame osu lol
What i like about quaver is on how it's really easy to download maps and mods, instead of having to go to an external website to download and drag and drop it. Plus, there are unranked maps made by people who have it submitted on the website. It's the simplicity I love about it: where I don't have to search up something to see how to do it.
If you want to know something, Quaver was developed by ex-osu!std and osu!mania players who had expeience with private servers (Ripple for example). Most of the mappers of these mapsets were just osu!mania charters, same with the BN on the game. I think it would improve somewhat in the future.
True. Swan and AiAe were community managers on ripple. Swan was playing mania (mostly vibro iirc because it's ranked there) and AiAe was a std guy. When I discovered they're making a game I joined their discord and their names were at the very top of userlist when they didn't really have a bigger team yet
@@バカロン I only noticed Swan as he was the sethost for the ripple mapping contest. I also noticed people like Yalterz (that auto+ guy) in the team as well..
Not beginner friendly. Everything about it screams technicality. It feels more like a command line or text based game than a visual based game because of how hard the UI to use if you're not used to it. That is a massive turn off to me. Probably the only reason I can see it being worse than every other vsrg. I personally can't use it because I just cannot get used to it. My noteskin is fine and I'm not getting performance issues, but something just feels wrong. My acc and MA is actually better on etterna than o!m but something just feels off. That and I don't like the songs as much on etterna
The big thing for me is 7k. Before you were stuck with o!m or BMS, but here you get tons of features that seems essential to a good VSRG. 7k players moving from o!m to Quaver are blessed with rate mods, LN and SV conversion mods, custom judgements, snap colors, chart previews, and many other creature comforts. Quaver initially had a big plan for the competitive market. It seemed like they wanted to build a bustling platform to draw in awareness from outside the rhythm game community. And yeah... as absurd as it sounds, Quaver/Etterna becoming a colloquial "e-sport" would be a lot of fun. But I have no idea where that plan went, and it seems like there's more important things on the to-do list anyway. So for 4k... yeah just play Etterna. For 7k it's worth it. The community feels lifeless, but I'm optimistic for the future.
I was on a trip for 3 days and didn't play at all but still went up 20 spots for my country rank because all my high scores have less than 5% long notes because of the nerfs lmao
th-cam.com/video/3s3Hp62wy2k/w-d-xo.html You have figured out how beat saber players feel (seriously they soft banned infant annihilator maps because of "oversaturation" despite the fact that almost 50% of the top 20 farm maps are just camellia)
except for the fact that u can play in any rate, load instantly maps from osumania, colored notes mode, modify judgement, modify ingame skin, "there's no need to switch from osumania." Really dude? this game gets the best of osu!mania and etterna together, this review is really disappointing.
my main problem with 4k rhythm games is that i cant sightread anything like half of the time i everytime press the wrong note and dont know whats going on
The bad judgements not counting as combo breakers isnt really too much of an issue considering how the game gives out points based more on accuracy than combos
I'm surprised that, for a channel that's shown to showcase so many different rhythm games, you were so blind in this review. You rated this game's worth from strictly a 4k perspective, practically rating the only half of the game that you care about, and then to end this video with "Why does this game exist?" is just idiotic. I understand that since 4k can use Etterna, you can critique it harshly in comparison. All 7k players have is osu!mania, you could always play lunatic rave or o2jam if you can make these games made in the 2000s work on your computer and if you learn the entirety of the korean language to be able to navigate the menu. Another pointer is if you want to be mainly a 7k player in osu!mania, you will have a significantly harder time ranking up through the leaderboard. 7k will only help you at the top of the rankings. Having separate leaderboards gives 7k players a much better perspective on how much their improving. Another thing you didn't address is the fact that you can access maps downloader through Etterna and osu!mania. The ranked section may be faulty but being able to port over maps is a giant positive that you completely ignored. The biggest thing 7k players get from Quaver is rate mods. Add being able to randomize, make the map inverse, and make the map full long notes. All of these modifiers are incredible tools to help 7k players get better at the game, and no other easy-to-obtain-and-also-in-english game can compare. Quaver also has modifiers such as no sv and no long notes that just give freedom to the player. What I'm trying to say is Quaver allows a 7k player to do an incredible amount more than alternatives. Personally, I'm hurt and disappointed that 7k, for some reason, you refuse to acknowledge.
dude it's his opinion as a 4k player, why would he adress 7k if he isn't even playing it... and wow quaver is literaly o!m + etterna (since the devs come from these games... I think) what else is there to say? I don't have anything against quaver players it's just a good alternative and nothing more.
I have been playing 4 to 9k for quite a while now, I have tested quaver myself but I just don't see the appeal since it's just another chart "emulator"
The things you're pointing out are some of the most basic functions that should be in a rhythm game to begin with. Why would I even bother mentioning those? Mentioning 7k would have barely made a difference, as my principles pretty much still apply to 7k maps after looking at them. I also spent a good majority of the video talking about the game itself and only touched on the maps for the last few minutes so... idk where you're getting this "4k perspective" from when I talked about the game itself for about 80% of the video.
@@EtienneYT You say that you don't see why this game have to exist when we have Etterna Online and Osu!mania. Etterna don't even have 7K, and o!m ranking system combining both 4k and 7k is so broken that it's irrelevant for both game mode. Quaver become by default the only 7k game with online features that's worth playing at this point. Sadly, the point you made with LNs is even worse for 7k, and the stricter LN release timing makes 7k noodles quite awkward to play. On top of that, the leniency on "ghost input" allow you to just mash the 7 keys for doing hard 4-5-6 notes chords, making them trivial, thus weighted incorrectly. O!m have the same problem, but it's even worse in Quaver sadly :( Still, quaver, being new and still tweaked / updated with ranked play in mind, have the option of improving on that in a near future. From what we've seen over the year, such critical and needed improvements won't ever make it in o!m.
@@Kazyek let's hope the real answer of why quaver needs to exist is that developers would actually listen to criticism and improvement rather than osu!mania devs UwU since this video can help out tweak the Quaver seen to become better on what is lacking
I don't know if the timing is tighter or it's just so different to o!m but I gave up on quaver 3 days after release because it just feels so different. Might come back to it someday until osu! lazer releases
9:02 IMO i think Good and Okay judgements should give a combo, because even if they are not great, they still are called "good" and "okay", it doesn't make sense to me that if you're hitting the notes "good" you'll still get a combo break - same thing with "okay", okay is okay, is it not? why should i be punished for doing just okay? it would make sense to me if they were changed to be like "mediocre" or "bad" or something like that, but if they're called good and okay i think it makes perfect sense to not be a combo break - just my opinion though.
I like the game because it got rates and LN/Rice/SV mods. Stuff that i really miss in 7k and im tired of playing on some old ass emulators that crash 24/7 for games that had it before. Dont care about the rating/ranked stuff so im pretty biased
I'm a little confused as a casual osumania player, what's the point of something like quaver when osumania and stepmania/eternia have much larger communities and better support, while all share the same gameplay style/mechanics?
For me personally, coming from an osu! mania player I mostly play Quaver due to the ability to easily import osu and etterna maps with ease, and it has much better features than mania.
Personally, Quaver's ranked section is much more diverse than mania's. I've enjoyed more Quaver ranked content than mania ranked. Now there are a lot of gems' in mania's unranked section, and we don't really have that in Quaver I agree. I also really hate how 90% of the songs are the same shit in terms of music choice (camellia being insanely popular among charters). Me personally I just spend time mapping lesser known songs. In terms of diversity it's just as diverse as stepmania. Most of the content that I played on SM were stamina JS or chordjack. And when I'm watching SM streams, they don't play much different stuff.
I feel likes the issue is generational gaps. Etterna is the oldest in the 3 with old chart styles and music diversity. Quaver has newer styles in both music choice and chart styles. For me Etterna maps are boring stuff really good for training, but boring, and quaver has the punch especialy PianoLuigi and LovelyN (mostly LNs). I love LNs btw and Lns in Etterna just bad because it doesnt matter where you lift uip the keys. Its the same effect O2Jam is really old totally different song choices and chart styles, and people who played O2Jam they like O2jam style the most.
etternas base is confusing and hard to understand aswell as prioritizing jacks, osu mania feels off for people who come from other rythm games, and because quaver can load osz map files, get skins from workshop, easy to understand ui, amazing hit reg and fps, its a saving grace for people like me who hate osu mania with a burning passion but want that wide selection of songs. tldr; quaver is better at doing some very core things than other rythm games, and is easy to switch to
6:34 i tried charting on Quaver and it's hard to get the sync right Unlike AV the offset is weird to put and the hitsound of the editor wasn't as good as the ITG/AV clap at least that's what i think was the issue for me, now i will try to port the clap sound and all that stuff and i hope it works lol
I wanted to try this game out, because it looks cool. But it keeps freezing in Manjaro, both in Gnome and XFCE, so I think that's a no. I was only able to complete one map (and got instantly to Brazil's top 600 lol).
my opinion is that it has the best UI and "looks" (smoothness, customizability, offset adjustment accuracy charts, etc.) but is held back by lack of good maps and and lack of players compared to osu!mania, etterna, stepmania, etc. I use this game 99% of the time for 4k/7k because of the fact it's friendly on linux. You can get other games through things like lutris and (if you have a very good computer) wine. Running with proton is smooth performance and I don't need to worry as I don't play for pp so I can simply import any maps from other rhythm games to play. Overall I would it's a large upgrade from osu!mania, a slight one from etterna, but lacks players and good maps so if you play for pp then I don't recommend this game as you're going to need to import all the maps from other games yourself in order to find good maps
can somebody help me? I hit the notes perfectl but it says like bad or ok or great. In osu mania this never happenes and I use the same keybinds and speed. Can someone help me to solve this problem?
Why does it exist? Because finally new players like me can enjoy a vsrg without looking for a youtube video on "how to set-up". I can press play, and guess what, I play the game. I really do have a great time playing this rhythm game, getting into this community is a cool thing for me, and I'm still learning. (Wouldn't have done it, if Quaver didn't exist) Much love to you all!
I don’t understand what seems so complex to everyone about etterna, customizing your skin/playfield is incredibly simple in comparison to using a skin.ini folder
Well, we are not all elite members of the genre, I, for exemple, started playing 3 weeks ago Quaver, I didn't need any video to understand ultra basic stuff, but when I tried to play Etterna I got overwhelmed by the amount of information presented, I would rather play the game to see if I like it, before installing 17 song packs, 33 skin packs, and watch a total of 3 hours of tutorials. My point is, Quaver is amazing in being a new-player friendly, the points in the video stand, but the fact that the experience feels better for me is enough to get me playing. Of course, maybe I will switch to Etterna one day, who knows and who actually cares, I know that Quaver got me into the genre, not Etterna or Osu!Mania.
@@koboss well to me skin.ini config file doesn't seem to be any complicated and I've helped people I talk to with it. The most popular request is moving the field to the center of the screen which is not hard to do at all. skin.ini has a dedicated wiki page that explains everything including skin files themselves what they are for etc. Some years ago when I tried to play an alternative for osu!mania I couldn't find any proper guide on all the settings in order to make the game look and work how I want. To me it seems like etterna is a better stepmania yet settings are still not beginner friendly. But hey maybe we're all just dumb.. The point still stands the same that it's not intuitive at all
Yeah as an osu mania player I still haven't figured out Etterna (I'm }{ close to joining the Discord and enslaving some poor little Etterna player into helping me set it up, just haven't found the time yet) And as easy and simple as osu mania looks, everytime I try to introduce my friends into it I realize just how complicated everything actually is and how much information people are bombarded with at once which is definitely overwhelming.
The main drawback with Quaver, in my opinion, is that you can't cut and paste your existing StepMania/Etterna song folder into Quaver. AFAIK, you have to drag and drop every simfile i n d i v i d u a l l y.
T_T. My main issue with this game is that literally all the songs are just jumpstreams, like sure get good but like thats not my area mannnn. Its unfortunate cause the games so coooool.
The game is still new and I hope it will have more of them in the future because it's a big problem in osu as well. People just don't want to map 7k and map 4k instead because it's mainstream and more fame I guess
you can load in all your maps from osu? you can also mass convert your o2jam maps from dm or other servers and convet bms files to osu then to quaver automatically
Yeah the only reason I tried quaver was because it has custom timing windows, has rate changes, and supports 7k. I stopped playing it because I didn't feel like converting my mania skin to quaver. It'd probably be a really good accuracy trainer for 7k but I just continue to play mania. It doesn't stand out in 4k IMO because there's other games like etterna pretty much do the same thing as quaver. I guess quaver's UI is a lot more beginner friendly compared to etterna IMO.
I dont like how osu mania has such a small play space and blinding lights whwnever you hit a note making it unplayable for me, as soon as i hit one note i cant see the rest of that column combined with such a small play space and ive never heard of eterna until now, thats why i play quaver, ill check out eterna but quaver feels really good to play for me
the gripes you mentioned are all skin dependent. you might need to try using a better skin before seriously coming to a conclusion on etterna or osu!mania
They nerfed LN's the same day I released this video to patrons are you serious lmao. Main point still stands tho.
The okay hit is 2x worse than a miss btw
A miss is -50% of a note and an okay hit is -100% of a note
@@winterispretty6464 wow that sounds like an interesting anti-spam mechanic :o. not sure what top players have to say but I do like hearing notes unplayed in section parts people can't play rather than offbeat keymash. not sure what it entails for dumpcharts though.
hi winter you beat my ass in an o!m multiplayer lobby
@@hinepare_ bbbbbbb
Have you heard of Malody?
I like the 'detect maps from other games' option
yo what thats the most likes i got on an other account lmao
thx
@@verlatenn Why does your other account have different grammar than you?
@@bobbhobbit it doesnt
@@verlatenn just comment on the other account confirming it
@@Ibbys_space debate over a dump 100 like comment, the movie
Me actually believing it was a video about the osu! map quaver :thinking:
If only
would be very easy 10/10 (only if sotarks mapset)
lol same
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12:54 it’s by far the most beginner friendly rhythm game (with the possible exception of fnf just for it’s aesthetic). Adding songs is a simple as clicking on a chart that you like, and adding skins is as simple as subscribing to one you like on the steam workshop. Having everything there for you to download from the game rather than downloading them from an external website allows for people who have never played a rhythm game before to just jump right in and start playing (I mean all 4K rhythm games technically can, but Quaver’s ease of use for downloading songs allows for more immediate song choices). Honestly I feel like as Quaver’s community grows, the quality of the both the charts and the skins will grow along with it.
I personally started getting into rhythm games around 6 months ago, and I started with Quaver, and as soon as I got it downloaded I was playing my first song within a couple minutes. After deciding to get a skin I looked through the steam workshop, found one I liked, subscribed to it and was instantly able to play with it. I decided to find other easy charts to play so I looked at the maps section, so a couple that I liked, clicked on them to download, and was instantly able to play them all within a couple of minutes. I decided to try Osu! and it took me nearly 30 minutes trying to figure everything out, getting a skin installed, and finding which charts could even be played in mania, than which charts are played in 4K, than find one that wasn’t brutally difficult for my skill level at the time. I ended up only really being able to play 2 songs that met those conditions (I wasn’t very good at the time) and while I was trying to find more songs online to download, I got really confused at how the search system worked as I couldn’t find an option to have it only show 4K games. And I didn’t even bother trying Eterna as it just looked way too confusing and I heard that it really wasn’t beginner friendly.
And honestly I haven’t tried Stepmania yet, but I don’t really see a need to right now. I have almost 100 hours in Quaver, and I have a few FNF mods that I really enjoy playing as well, so I don’t really see myself needing to play anything else right now, but maybe as I get better I’ll give different ones a try.
This is also the reason for me, I also downloaded etterna, but kinda hated it because overall its not user-friendly, ruining the fun for me. Quaver on the other hand is easy to understand and you can get going in minutes.
FNF is much more beginner friendly
Tbh for me, it takes the easiness of use of osu mania and combines it with all the good features etterna has which makes it my current choice of the 3, and I'm able to import everything from etterna and osu mania to play on one engine with ease
not all of the good features that etterna has but ye
This, all of this. The user friendliness of Etterna needs a lot of help. It really isn't a boon for your game if I have to dig through release notes to find how to use the new features added to the game this release. I literally never did understand how practice mode worked until I asked a dev. While yes the map selection is garbage and the difficulty system even more so, it is at least promising to see the devs actively working on it rather than sitting back and watching the garbage fire burn hotter like o!m.
@@SilverBullet27188 literally the o!m, o!ctb and o!t is all basically community maintained and that's a bit difficult when the game is closed source
@@SilverBullet27188 How is the difficulty system for Etterna garbage? To me at least, it seems far better than anything else in any other game I've seen.
@@senya6095 theyre talking about quaver
I’ve been really enjoying this game for the last few months however I find searching for a specific song is literally impossible.
EXACTLY
you can import osu! maps into quaver
How do i download the game
@@ghythmramer2515 on steam
@@mikelandey ty, the game is very good
quaver is the first rhythm game i ever tried and it actually made me alot better at rhythm games
2:40 wait youre telling me i can play giraffes giraffes songs? im sold
skipped me straight into an ad
Quaver makes it much easier to use on GNU Linux. Publishing the game on steam gives it almost perfect compatibility on launch. I found myself stuck between Windows with Osu, or Linux without it. A steam release of a mania game is JUST what i needed, and lets me use the OS i love.
super late but osu!lazer is available on linux as an appimage, although it doesn't submit to leaderboards yet since it's in beta
you can play osu on linux, thepoon wrote a very nice guide on fixing audio latency as well awhile ago
etterna is 1. in the AUR and 2. able to be compiled from source. I'm an Arch user so installing Etterna was fine for me.
@@choke- DON'T use poons guide its outdated and new winetricks is way better now
just install from lutris and then switch the runner to the current "lutris-6.x" and done
There is workshop support now, so skins are EVERYWHERE.
Usually o!m players migrate to quaver, take this in mind.
no they go to etterna don't they?
@Oliver Ridderstolpe Hello, I'm a osu!mania player who migrated to Quaver and have 583 hours on the game, (Tempy #56) I just thought that transferring to Quaver as a o!m player would be easier to transferring to Etterna due to it's simpler look and how much setup there is compared to the two games.
I don't have any qualms since the game is open source and works on Linux. osu!lazer is open source but you still can't earn pp.
@@triiodide7762etterna got it's base from stepmania, and I've played etterna and quaver, and I easily prefer quaver over etterna, etterna ui's it's just bad, and it was pretty like stepmania, which I don't like alot.
@@triiodide7762 i tried, but etterna is so hard to set up, i still havent been able to do it, and I end up coming back to o!mania after a while. just downloaded quaver tho
gonna be honest, quaver players can't chart good jumpstream lol, the JS meta in quaver is literally "inward rolly semi-manip JS"
Exactly this.
@@chimp9465 taking a glance at the charts, i wouldn't be surprised if this really were the case. (stepmania is almost 20 wow :oo)
As an Osu Standard player, I had an aneurism reading this
@@dylanwebster2656 same
i literally installed quaver, played like 7 charts at my skill level and went "nope" shits mapped weird. I'm sticking to Etterna. That and there's no hallway in Quaver.
Dang I didn't realize how much the game has changed until I came and watched this. A bunch of the quality of life stuff has been increased, for example it now has map packs.
I’m assuming that the mapset in quaver is so limited because it’s a new game, which hasn’t had time to develop its own style.
let's hope so
There is a large mixture of things because they rank a lot more because of osu being so limiting and only accepts a very very few ways of mapping
bruh there are things like negative sv and such but that hasn't really been utilized and pretty much all the first maps I downloaded on there are from osu converted like... idk man
It’s been around for 2-3 years, but it was in closed alpha
I think the feature to import maps from other games (osu mania, etterna) save this game. The ranked maps are just really bad
I just play quaver for the speed rates for 7k, taking out SVs and playing 7k up scroll which so far, I can only do in o!m. I can import all of the maps from o!m & etterna into quaver anyways so I have a lot of maps to play with. Also what I dislike about o!m is that a lot of the maps have diverse HP & OD drains, taking away the feelings of accomplishment from them, or fooling me into believing my skill is better than the usual, because I could mash my way through them, or easily acc them because they have absurdly low OD.
I agree hp and/or od are a problem with converted maps from other games to osu!mania. They often have default values of 5 or ridiculously low/high values because noone took care of them. If you play maps from decent mappers that mapped specifically for osu!mania I don't think you will run into this problem. Personally I don't look at these values because you can play a map and play it again after a while to get a better picture if you're getting good or not
Not even gonna say a word against the speed rate mod. That's what any rhythm game needs and I'd definitely try quaver out just because of that
marvellous [rainbow perfect] had the same judgement window If you went for rainbows OD did not affect you.
@@jacintfodor1296 True, OD only matters for PA.
As of December 30th, 2021, the Quaver difficulty system is still sometimes inconsistent. It will give jumptrills, rolls, half-rolls, other burst patterns and vibro patterns a low difficulty if extended for around at least 3 seconds. Beatmaps from osu such as isogu (jumptrill map) and dien may xanh (vibro map) are given very incorrect difficulties and according to quaver, I can't even describe the dien may xanh error. For some reason, the difficulty algorithm thinks the 135 bpm vibro is harder than a 210 bpm vibro, which is very wrong. Additionally, a inhuman vibro section of a map would be given a low difficulty, lowering the difficulty of the chart.
On the other hand, I found that streams with a lot of trills integrated into them are given a much higher difficulty than what they should be.
I don't know about any other patterns.
However, Quaver gives the ability to port over osu!mania and etterna/stepmania beatmaps, which I find to be a great addition.
sorry for being a nerd
I'm no expert on going, but Let's.
might as well call this game luigiquaver from all his ranked stuff there
lmao nice one
i feel like i need a degree to navigate through etterna menus but wanted to go away from osumania so quaver it is
Same here, I'll probably be playing this over o!m and definitely over etterna.
Everything is quite literally in front of you in Etterna. The only reason it seems more complicated is because it gives you more things to customize to specifically make the game more comfortable for you. Everything in both the menu and song options is also defined on everything you highlight.
If you prefer playing inferior vsrgs just because you don't want to put the slightest amount of effort into understanding a new game, go right ahead.
@@nikkkola99 why do you have to be such a dick to people.
@@nikkkola99 comments like these are the ones that make people avoid the etterna community lmao
12:50 - I don't know about the execution (because i haven't played quaver yet), but i believe the intention was good. I get etterna is better balanced than osu in terms of gameplay or whatever, but etterna is sooo unwelcomming to new players or players that want to transition from osu, i tried to move to etterna multiple times but i just couldn't get myself to. Also, in osu you can much more easily interact with other people than in etterna. So making a game that combines these two games into one, in paper, is a really good idea, and could potentially unite the mania community into that game alone, so imo that's why it exist in the first place
Yeah, but its undershooting by a longshot, like he said in the video
When creating a skin on Quaver there aren't many options to adjust the skins parameters based on the users settings. They have different settings and positions for 4k and 7k and thats about it. When it comes to changing the location of the note receptor or things like the score, there aren't any options to automatically change based on down/up scroll or resolution and stuff like that. This leads to skins being broken when the one using them is playing on different settings than the one who made them. This can sort of be fixed if the user manually changes all the settings for the skin but doing so is far from easy. So the guy at 6:06 isn't at fault.
Nice vid as always, dude. Also, can't wait for the RoBeats one! :D
Adrig3 have fun dealing with a recent gear update that divides the players even more
Melody Wawichi context? havent played robeats in years
@@melodywawichi802 i haven't played robeats, do you mean that they even broke more the game?
Adrig3 how does 20 million points on a diff 34 sound?
@@melodywawichi802 sounds broken.
i just like the fact that its less crowded than mania, and that i can have completely custom judjment windows and that the user info is completely understandable. it runs great on mac. i guess its just that this game was my first ever rythm game, and i feel very at heart, sorry if this is a rant. I love your content and i respect your statement, and i beleive it is valid. Thank you.
I think the point of quaver is to be a dedicated mania game with a polished UI like osu's. As is stands, osu!mania to me feels like absolute trash to play, but I did come to mania from osu!standard, so i'm used to having a good UI from osu. I've ultimately settled on etterna because etternas gameplay is superior, but I'll admit that I feel like etternas UI is ugly and kind of a PITA to use. I guess once you've gotten over the learning curve it's fine, but I feel like I could not convince any of my friends to play etterna because of how weird/overly functional the UX is. They might try osu, but osu's 4k is kind of garbage imo. I think quaver is for all of those people who i described, which might be a larger group than you might think.
I'm going to stick with etterna for now but I'm certainly curious about this games future. I think it has potential to improve and to become the best of both worlds.
GenoClysm another thing, etterna just doesn’t seem to download on some macs
What about mania feels like trash? I’ve only tried mania so I don’t know any better, but it feels fine to me
@@denny141196 imo osu!mania beatmaps are garbage. They feel boring and uninspired. Finding a great beatmap is just hard. While etterna's beatmaps are just better. Not perfect but better. (I also hate the o!m release feature)
@@xylf.1972 mad cuz bad
yup, you hit the nail on the head for me. thats the exact reason i play quaver
honest review of quaver: good farm, my 4th 300pp
osu beatmap moment
the background music and the voiceover makes this feel like a nintendo direct
Thank you for this video I was looking for a game like this other than osu mania to get started in this genre of games
Tbh yeah I agree with everything you stated, though I have to admit Quaver has a lot of potential to be on par with Osu and Etterna, they just have to fix all the problems they have currently (mainly the map set, some maps also have really off difficulty rates) which makes it even more frustrating finding maps at your level. I wish the best of luck to Quaver though
As somebody who casually started playing 4K in o!m, this game looks very attractive to me. I’ll probably switch over since finding songs I can play will be way easier.
Yeah. Definitely the more aesthetically appreciated game. Etterna has superior gameplay, but I def see people going to the others because of their aesthetic.
@@nivdy osu!mania SUCKS for finding beatmaps I just realized holy shit. it takes a custom website to narrow down what difficulty or even amount of KEYS you want in a map
@@Cobalt985 it is better if you're a supporter, because supporters get built in map downloading, but imo it's not as map packs
@@nivdy Or you can use laser and not need supporter, that's what I do. Plus the menus look even nicer
@@0bread286 Lazer is harder on low end PCs, it lags mine :(
on the mapping side, i think its cause 99% of the ranked osu!mania mappers also put their maps onto quaver, which just transfers the problem of overly generic and uninspired maps/songs from osu to quaver as well
tl;dr blame osu lol
What i like about quaver is on how it's really easy to download maps and mods, instead of having to go to an external website to download and drag and drop it. Plus, there are unranked maps made by people who have it submitted on the website.
It's the simplicity I love about it: where I don't have to search up something to see how to do it.
the offsync in Quaver is common thing if you convert a StepMania to Quaver, the average offset is 100ms, i dunno why does this happen
I think the best thing they added was negative infinity and positive infinity SV
Worst part of quaver is the sv
@@koboss best
This is probably the most accessible rhythm game out there tbh
"even thought i would like other skins"
*Me staring at the skins button when i downloaded it*
the main "purpose" of this game def feels like the general accessibility of having it on steam, while ppl can get a general feel for the 4k genre too
I'm pretty new at rythm games, and Quaver beeing my first serious one was imo a good start, I'm still a wet piece of shit but I'm getting there
"most of the higher level ranked charts consist of chordjacks and chordsreams"
Cry's in normal speed streams
If you want to know something, Quaver was developed by ex-osu!std and osu!mania players who had expeience with private servers (Ripple for example). Most of the mappers of these mapsets were just osu!mania charters, same with the BN on the game. I think it would improve somewhat in the future.
True. Swan and AiAe were community managers on ripple. Swan was playing mania (mostly vibro iirc because it's ranked there) and AiAe was a std guy. When I discovered they're making a game I joined their discord and their names were at the very top of userlist when they didn't really have a bigger team yet
@@バカロン I only noticed Swan as he was the sethost for the ripple mapping contest. I also noticed people like Yalterz (that auto+ guy) in the team as well..
Ayyy love the Protest the Hero shirt!
I feel quaver is a good starting point for somebody wanting to get into it to then move onto something like etterna
I don't know It's so hard to find good charts in Ettern, while in quaver I just search for the elite mappers.
i couldn't really see a reason not just to play etterna 🤷♂️
Etterna's ui can be unnecessarily complicated and just annoying/shit to use
Not beginner friendly. Everything about it screams technicality. It feels more like a command line or text based game than a visual based game because of how hard the UI to use if you're not used to it. That is a massive turn off to me. Probably the only reason I can see it being worse than every other vsrg. I personally can't use it because I just cannot get used to it. My noteskin is fine and I'm not getting performance issues, but something just feels wrong. My acc and MA is actually better on etterna than o!m but something just feels off. That and I don't like the songs as much on etterna
The big thing for me is 7k. Before you were stuck with o!m or BMS, but here you get tons of features that seems essential to a good VSRG. 7k players moving from o!m to Quaver are blessed with rate mods, LN and SV conversion mods, custom judgements, snap colors, chart previews, and many other creature comforts.
Quaver initially had a big plan for the competitive market. It seemed like they wanted to build a bustling platform to draw in awareness from outside the rhythm game community. And yeah... as absurd as it sounds, Quaver/Etterna becoming a colloquial "e-sport" would be a lot of fun. But I have no idea where that plan went, and it seems like there's more important things on the to-do list anyway.
So for 4k... yeah just play Etterna. For 7k it's worth it. The community feels lifeless, but I'm optimistic for the future.
Cause trying to use Etterna for 7k or LN is not really an option 😐
@@-perge I wouldn't consider the community "lifeless", but I'm a BMS player so lmao I'm used to the community being 30 english speakers total.
Quaver is the only game of this style that I like
I was on a trip for 3 days and didn't play at all but still went up 20 spots for my country rank because all my high scores have less than 5% long notes because of the nerfs lmao
th-cam.com/video/3s3Hp62wy2k/w-d-xo.html You have figured out how beat saber players feel
(seriously they soft banned infant annihilator maps because of "oversaturation" despite the fact that almost 50% of the top 20 farm maps are just camellia)
Reminds you to take breaks.
Me: can play full stamina maps for ours on end with no break.
I don't know how my fingers still work
There are so many skins now, and people make their own.
except for the fact that u can play in any rate, load instantly maps from osumania, colored notes mode, modify judgement, modify ingame skin, "there's no need to switch from osumania."
Really dude? this game gets the best of osu!mania and etterna together, this review is really disappointing.
my main problem with 4k rhythm games is that i cant sightread anything like half of the time i everytime press the wrong note and dont know whats going on
The bad judgements not counting as combo breakers isnt really too much of an issue considering how the game gives out points based more on accuracy than combos
I'm surprised that, for a channel that's shown to showcase so many different rhythm games, you were so blind in this review. You rated this game's worth from strictly a 4k perspective, practically rating the only half of the game that you care about, and then to end this video with "Why does this game exist?" is just idiotic. I understand that since 4k can use Etterna, you can critique it harshly in comparison. All 7k players have is osu!mania, you could always play lunatic rave or o2jam if you can make these games made in the 2000s work on your computer and if you learn the entirety of the korean language to be able to navigate the menu. Another pointer is if you want to be mainly a 7k player in osu!mania, you will have a significantly harder time ranking up through the leaderboard. 7k will only help you at the top of the rankings. Having separate leaderboards gives 7k players a much better perspective on how much their improving. Another thing you didn't address is the fact that you can access maps downloader through Etterna and osu!mania. The ranked section may be faulty but being able to port over maps is a giant positive that you completely ignored. The biggest thing 7k players get from Quaver is rate mods. Add being able to randomize, make the map inverse, and make the map full long notes. All of these modifiers are incredible tools to help 7k players get better at the game, and no other easy-to-obtain-and-also-in-english game can compare. Quaver also has modifiers such as no sv and no long notes that just give freedom to the player.
What I'm trying to say is Quaver allows a 7k player to do an incredible amount more than alternatives. Personally, I'm hurt and disappointed that 7k, for some reason, you refuse to acknowledge.
dude it's his opinion as a 4k player, why would he adress 7k if he isn't even playing it...
and wow quaver is literaly o!m + etterna (since the devs come from these games... I think) what else is there to say? I don't have anything against quaver players it's just a good alternative and nothing more.
I have been playing 4 to 9k for quite a while now, I have tested quaver myself but I just don't see the appeal since it's just another chart "emulator"
The things you're pointing out are some of the most basic functions that should be in a rhythm game to begin with. Why would I even bother mentioning those? Mentioning 7k would have barely made a difference, as my principles pretty much still apply to 7k maps after looking at them. I also spent a good majority of the video talking about the game itself and only touched on the maps for the last few minutes so... idk where you're getting this "4k perspective" from when I talked about the game itself for about 80% of the video.
@@EtienneYT You say that you don't see why this game have to exist when we have Etterna Online and Osu!mania. Etterna don't even have 7K, and o!m ranking system combining both 4k and 7k is so broken that it's irrelevant for both game mode. Quaver become by default the only 7k game with online features that's worth playing at this point.
Sadly, the point you made with LNs is even worse for 7k, and the stricter LN release timing makes 7k noodles quite awkward to play. On top of that, the leniency on "ghost input" allow you to just mash the 7 keys for doing hard 4-5-6 notes chords, making them trivial, thus weighted incorrectly. O!m have the same problem, but it's even worse in Quaver sadly :(
Still, quaver, being new and still tweaked / updated with ranked play in mind, have the option of improving on that in a near future. From what we've seen over the year, such critical and needed improvements won't ever make it in o!m.
@@Kazyek let's hope the real answer of why quaver needs to exist is that developers would actually listen to criticism and improvement rather than osu!mania devs UwU since this video can help out tweak the Quaver seen to become better on what is lacking
I’m interested in seeing you review Clone Hero.
Not a bad idea tbh lol
Etienne it would fit well with your content for sure and you would definitely have the most unbiased opinion on it I feel
honestly I looked this game up and watched your video and you just put me onto a whole community I knew nothing about.
we gotta remember its still in beta
I like it because I'm a beginner, plus I want to have the in game time on my steam profile lol
I don't know if the timing is tighter or it's just so different to o!m but I gave up on quaver 3 days after release because it just feels so different. Might come back to it someday until osu! lazer releases
quaver standarad judge is more loose by a bit (OD 7 with more lenient marv window) and osu stable inherently has delay so it takes time to adjust to.
9:02 IMO i think Good and Okay judgements should give a combo, because even if they are not great, they still are called "good" and "okay", it doesn't make sense to me that if you're hitting the notes "good" you'll still get a combo break - same thing with "okay", okay is okay, is it not? why should i be punished for doing just okay? it would make sense to me if they were changed to be like "mediocre" or "bad" or something like that, but if they're called good and okay i think it makes perfect sense to not be a combo break - just my opinion though.
you still hit the note, which means you keep combo. you shouldn't lose combo unless you miss imo.
@@pricklypeen7639 same here
I like the game because it got rates and LN/Rice/SV mods. Stuff that i really miss in 7k and im tired of playing on some old ass emulators that crash 24/7 for games that had it before. Dont care about the rating/ranked stuff so im pretty biased
love how his quaver account name is CarlyRaeJepsen
I'm a little confused as a casual osumania player, what's the point of something like quaver when osumania and stepmania/eternia have much larger communities and better support, while all share the same gameplay style/mechanics?
Well its easier to download songs and downloading skins
@@sploob865 and the ui's better
you cant download osumania and eternia on macs
To put it simply quaver is for convenience its easy to download
@@gasternecross osu!lazer works
For me personally, coming from an osu! mania player I mostly play Quaver due to the ability to easily import osu and etterna maps with ease, and it has much better features than mania.
How are you convertimg etterna maps?
4:01 MOM GET THE CAMERA UwU
Tupidix why do ur videos have so many dislikes lol. Good gameplay imo.
@@theaverageplayer1656 because my nephew is called Tupidix_youtube on PS4 and plays Fortnite xD. But thanks really appreciated
there is LN mod for 7K, and it can use custom judgement
it's like better v2 score from osu!mania + o2jam
At least it's not filled with anime
8:20 hey its me
Congrats dude, youre famous!
Please, note it is the only VSRG (except original stepmania) availible on Linux.
This isn't true. I can play both Etterna and Osu Lazer on Linux natively.
Personally, Quaver's ranked section is much more diverse than mania's. I've enjoyed more Quaver ranked content than mania ranked. Now there are a lot of gems' in mania's unranked section, and we don't really have that in Quaver I agree. I also really hate how 90% of the songs are the same shit in terms of music choice (camellia being insanely popular among charters). Me personally I just spend time mapping lesser known songs.
In terms of diversity it's just as diverse as stepmania. Most of the content that I played on SM were stamina JS or chordjack. And when I'm watching SM streams, they don't play much different stuff.
Camellia is popular for players as well.
I feel likes the issue is generational gaps. Etterna is the oldest in the 3 with old chart styles and music diversity. Quaver has newer styles in both music choice and chart styles. For me Etterna maps are boring stuff really good for training, but boring, and quaver has the punch especialy PianoLuigi and LovelyN (mostly LNs). I love LNs btw and Lns in Etterna just bad because it doesnt matter where you lift uip the keys.
Its the same effect O2Jam is really old totally different song choices and chart styles, and people who played O2Jam they like O2jam style the most.
How do I even make a Quaver account? I just downloaded the game.
Go to the top right
Did you ever post your opinions on osu mania in full somewhere?
I think its main selling point is some of the qol stuff, but I don't think there is enough to justify the other issues.
etternas base is confusing and hard to understand aswell as prioritizing jacks, osu mania feels off for people who come from other rythm games, and because quaver can load osz map files, get skins from workshop, easy to understand ui, amazing hit reg and fps, its a saving grace for people like me who hate osu mania with a burning passion but want that wide selection of songs.
tldr; quaver is better at doing some very core things than other rythm games, and is easy to switch to
etterna does not prioritize jacks. jacks are infact underrated in the current implementation of the game.
also quaver has fps based hit reg
I am really sorry that this isn't really related to thr video but plz what is this skin you are using in 9:35
what mic do you have? It sounds really good!
Could there be anything more similar to Harmonix's PS2 games Frequency and Amplitude?
6:34 i tried charting on Quaver and it's hard to get the sync right
Unlike AV the offset is weird to put and the hitsound of the editor wasn't as good as the ITG/AV clap
at least that's what i think was the issue for me, now i will try to port the clap sound and all that stuff and i hope it works lol
i dont understand a word of what this man is saying but i think i agree
Does anyone actually know how to login to quaver
You said you don’t really care for the maps, how would compare this game’s stepping/mapping with those accepted into FFR?
TheSaxRunner05 ffr is heavily reliant on jacky files ngl
I'm late but if anyone can tell me a gane like quaver (with custom songs) for Android
if youre looking for an exact 4k replica, your only real two options are malody or beatx
@@taggerung_ thanks
I wanted to try this game out, because it looks cool. But it keeps freezing in Manjaro, both in Gnome and XFCE, so I think that's a no. I was only able to complete one map (and got instantly to Brazil's top 600 lol).
this entire game couldve been an etterna theme
What's the name of the second predecessor he mentioned? I couldn't hear correctly
the two games he mentioned was Etterna and osu!mania. hope this helps
my opinion is that it has the best UI and "looks" (smoothness, customizability, offset adjustment accuracy charts, etc.) but is held back by lack of good maps and and lack of players compared to osu!mania, etterna, stepmania, etc.
I use this game 99% of the time for 4k/7k because of the fact it's friendly on linux. You can get other games through things like lutris and (if you have a very good computer) wine. Running with proton is smooth performance and I don't need to worry as I don't play for pp so I can simply import any maps from other rhythm games to play. Overall I would it's a large upgrade from osu!mania, a slight one from etterna, but lacks players and good maps so if you play for pp then I don't recommend this game as you're going to need to import all the maps from other games yourself in order to find good maps
Its ok, its also too easy to abuse the X speed for easy rankings, got top 100 within a few hours using it
can somebody help me? I hit the notes perfectl but it says like bad or ok or great. In osu mania this never happenes and I use the same keybinds and speed. Can someone help me to solve this problem?
you prolly set your custom judgements to impossible. go to modifiers and check
Why does it exist? Because finally new players like me can enjoy a vsrg without looking for a youtube video on "how to set-up". I can press play, and guess what, I play the game.
I really do have a great time playing this rhythm game, getting into this community is a cool thing for me, and I'm still learning. (Wouldn't have done it, if Quaver didn't exist)
Much love to you all!
You have a really good point. I remember setting up stepmania/etterna and I felt so dumb and frustrated. How settings can be so unintuitive...
I don’t understand what seems so complex to everyone about etterna, customizing your skin/playfield is incredibly simple in comparison to using a skin.ini folder
Well, we are not all elite members of the genre, I, for exemple, started playing 3 weeks ago Quaver, I didn't need any video to understand ultra basic stuff, but when I tried to play Etterna I got overwhelmed by the amount of information presented, I would rather play the game to see if I like it, before installing 17 song packs, 33 skin packs, and watch a total of 3 hours of tutorials.
My point is, Quaver is amazing in being a new-player friendly, the points in the video stand, but the fact that the experience feels better for me is enough to get me playing.
Of course, maybe I will switch to Etterna one day, who knows and who actually cares, I know that Quaver got me into the genre, not Etterna or Osu!Mania.
@@koboss well to me skin.ini config file doesn't seem to be any complicated and I've helped people I talk to with it. The most popular request is moving the field to the center of the screen which is not hard to do at all. skin.ini has a dedicated wiki page that explains everything including skin files themselves what they are for etc. Some years ago when I tried to play an alternative for osu!mania I couldn't find any proper guide on all the settings in order to make the game look and work how I want. To me it seems like etterna is a better stepmania yet settings are still not beginner friendly. But hey maybe we're all just dumb.. The point still stands the same that it's not intuitive at all
Yeah as an osu mania player I still haven't figured out Etterna (I'm }{ close to joining the Discord and enslaving some poor little Etterna player into helping me set it up, just haven't found the time yet) And as easy and simple as osu mania looks, everytime I try to introduce my friends into it I realize just how complicated everything actually is and how much information people are bombarded with at once which is definitely overwhelming.
Am I the only one who has no idea what he's talking about with the technical mechanics of these games but still enjoy it a lot...
whenever i try to play it it just starts bugging out.
Tfw can't move the receptors up or down :(
Go into the skin.ini folder
Quaver is just a better om
Change my mind
Etterna is just a better om and Quaver
Change my mind
They are just games
Change my mind
The main drawback with Quaver, in my opinion, is that you can't cut and paste your existing StepMania/Etterna song folder into Quaver. AFAIK, you have to drag and drop every simfile i n d i v i d u a l l y.
There's a button in the options menu to import songs automatically. From personal experience it works for osu!m and etterna.
@@the_dogey Thanks! I'll have to try that; my Etterna library is just carried over from StepMania Outfox, so.
T_T. My main issue with this game is that literally all the songs are just jumpstreams, like sure get good but like thats not my area mannnn. Its unfortunate cause the games so coooool.
Why Quaver isn't a rhythm game
> Rhythm games have music synced with player input
> 0% of Quaver maps have acceptable offset
> Quaver is not a rhythm game
@@-perge The biggest reason why Quaver is not a rhythm game is because its an osu beatmap👁️👄👁️
As a novice quaver player, the input system is much more friendly than Osu’s, but the long notes have always been unforgiving
u hit the button but the button dont work u get the perfect then u miss the two hit in north dakota how he do it?
7.5/10
need more clicky
I was wondering if you could upload your skin to the steam workshop it would be much appreciated
quaver doesnt have enough 7k maps :(
The game is still new and I hope it will have more of them in the future because it's a big problem in osu as well. People just don't want to map 7k and map 4k instead because it's mainstream and more fame I guess
@@バカロン yeah 4k is more popular than 7k in general, and mapping 7k is harder than mapping 4k
you can load in all your maps from osu? you can also mass convert your o2jam maps from dm or other servers and convet bms files to osu then to quaver automatically
@@nakanoyuko ooh i didnt know
Yeah the only reason I tried quaver was because it has custom timing windows, has rate changes, and supports 7k. I stopped playing it because I didn't feel like converting my mania skin to quaver. It'd probably be a really good accuracy trainer for 7k but I just continue to play mania. It doesn't stand out in 4k IMO because there's other games like etterna pretty much do the same thing as quaver. I guess quaver's UI is a lot more beginner friendly compared to etterna IMO.
I dont like how osu mania has such a small play space and blinding lights whwnever you hit a note making it unplayable for me, as soon as i hit one note i cant see the rest of that column combined with such a small play space and ive never heard of eterna until now, thats why i play quaver, ill check out eterna but quaver feels really good to play for me
try bojii's osu mania skin
the gripes you mentioned are all skin dependent. you might need to try using a better skin before seriously coming to a conclusion on etterna or osu!mania