This reminds me so much of my mom. She was a biology student who was accepted to a PhD program, but my grandmother forced her to drop out to get married. She always encourages me to follow my dreams, and it’s so sad to think that the only reason I can is because she gave up hers.
My mom has TWO DEGREES! Two! She had dreams, ambitions, goals... she was going to be an accountant! I will preface this with I love my dad and this is just the mormon culture. She gave all of that up the moment she got married. She used to be a phenomenal artist and a seamstress, yet the older I got the less she embraced those hobbies. Now pretty much the only hobby she has is running. She's emotionally withdrawn, doesn't really spend one on one time with my youngest sister (who's nine) she's clearly depressed. All because she gave up her identity and her dreams and burned out. Parents without hobbies become neglectful.
My mom cleared medical entrance exam in india but she was forced to marry. My dad couldn't afford medical fees but the second thing she loved was teaching so he helped her thru teachers degree college and she has been working for 30+ years
@karinalumen9722 I think this is actually a bit complicated by the unequal standard mothers and fathers are held to. While they are both parents, fathers rarely have to deal with the push and pull between being a father and their dreams because society doesn’t expect for them to take care of their children to the degree mothers are expected to. It is possible to be an excellent mother and follow your dreams, but this is definitely helped by a good support system and a partner who shares equal parenting responsibilities with you. Without it, unfortunately, the scales tend to shift to one side due to the strain of numerous responsibilities.
Exactly. He wouldn't take NO for an answer, stalked her, wore her down and then made sure she could never follow her ballet career by putting 8 kids in her. Like, that is exactly one of the guys we choose the bear over.
For context, Julliard accepts only 12 male and 12 female dancers in ballet. You have to be the best of the best of the best to get in and this guy ruined all of that.
Growing up, I had a neighbor couple, and she was a Juliard trained dancer, and he was a dance instructor. I saw the wife dance once, and Juliard doesn't eff around. Lady had TALENT.
Girls, Im a 35yo doctor that recently had her first kid. You have NO idea how much you will have to give up to be a mother, regardless of having childcare and being well off. I love my kid more than life and maternity has great things but PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
I’m a recently retired professor, and we see it in our fields as well. Women who choose to have kids while still fighting for tenure (so during the 28-35 age range) almost always lose their shot at a prestigious tenure track job and/or securing tenure unless they have a live-in nanny type or extensive help. Women who go through the incredible work of writing their dissertations then publishing and securing an extremely competitive job at a good university takes every minute of one’s time and constant travel, teaching, conferences, research (often overseas as in my field), service on university committees, etc - publishing books and reviews of books, etc. She wanted her own modest little dance studio and that husband turned it into a one room schoolhouse so she can never escape the kids. Ever. And he’s a billionaire. Gross.
So if every woman decide to never have kids the human population will go extinct? And the intense care is not forever, soon they will go to school and develop autonomy. Its not a life sentence. And when you are 50 with no kids life will be pretty lonely for you
I truly feel that no parent can have a deep and personal relationship with every one of their kids after they reach a certain number. Kids are so much work, and having quality time with each one is so important.
I currently only have m 1, but my max has always been 4. My parents both had kids young, prior to meeting (15-20 years between us and the half-siblings) and so we basically had 4 for most of it, and that was great. 2 boys and 2 girls (because my mom didn’t want anyone to feel outnumbered haha) and I feel like we all developed our own deep relationships with our parents and no one was really that parentified because we’re all 20-24 months apart, so the max age gap is 6 years
In my family it was three, after the fourth sibling we slowly became distant with our parents, yet they went on to have another 2 kids. There were lots of issues.
THAT KILLED ME!!! “Is it Greece?!? Is it Greece?!?” “Its a …. Chicken apron…” *Him… when she doesn’t swoon over it immediately* “…UR Welcome!” OMG….. CHILLS… ANGER… PUNCHING THE WALLS & PUKING UP MY COLA!! It’s DISTURBING!
When I read the Facebook comments about this article, blew my mind. So many women were upset saying how it's not disempowerment for women to want to be a homemaker. Like ma'am, no one is coming for your ambitionless behind. The husband is a bright red flag, and these online women saw nothing wrong with him. These women commenters are out there somewhere raising the next generation... We are doomed.
@@ElyfairyI'm the eldest of 5 but one of my brother's is blind with a severely under formed brain and I had to also help watch all my siblings including him, I was basically a second mum, about 18 years now of looking after my siblings, technically Ive already helped raise kids and that was wayyyyy more than enough for me lmao, yet Ive still got people telling me to have kids myself even though they're definitely not something I want
@@averykempf9164 i think as long as anyone who’s having multiple kids is in the financial position to be able to comfortably provide for them then more power to them! Personally I’m from a family that wasn’t and so I just know I’d never want to put anyone else thru that.
"She wouldn't go on a date with me for 6 months" here is literally "i stalked her until she said yes because *I* decided *I* wanted to marry her, regardless of what she wants" wtffffff. This just feels like watching a mormon woman actively falling victim to the grooming they're raised with, and the man living his dream exactly as he always wanted.
bro this man trapped her, now she’s in the middle of nowhere with 8 kids, reliant on him 100% for finances, how they met would have me changing my name and hiring security, her dreams pushed to the side and thrown out because HE wanted that life A good partner should support, not silence you (Oprah meme but fr fr)
Converting her she-shed into something for the kids was a huge middle finger to her, and a way to keep her in her place. Friends and family probably encouraged her to date when he kept pestering her.
Uhhh with her social media empire, she's not relying on him for anything. She's got her own money from this. If they divorced, her social media would grow even more. She'd be incredibly ok on her own. You guys are wild. So judgemental.
The desperate, "i need a fucking break" coded "i hope theyre plane tickets" broke me. Her husband has enough money to get a manager to step in on the farm temporarily ans take the entire family on a luxury holiday we couldnt begin to imagine, with maids, but no apparently not
@@stephe1506 fuck they could afford to hire some farm hands to lighten the load on her. Even like a live in butler/maid. It’s clear her husband has fuck you levels of money and it’d probably help her.
I would disagree, I think some women do really like the Tradwife life (have heard stories where it’s the wife that pushes to stay at home, for example), but agree that it is performative and unrealistic!
@@honey6610that’s what feminism is all about though. The ability to decide to live our lives however we want to you. So if someone wants to live a more traditional lifestyle then more power to them. There are a lot of women that wish they could, but it’s not feasible for them.
Honestly, she is probably way more okay than you on many different levels. Maybe you should worry more about yourself and your own mother rather than a billionaires wife who is a literal Co-CEO of her and her husbands company and is living her best Mormon life she has dreamt of since she was a kids. She has love, she has companionship, she is surrounded by family, she has millions of fans, she has access to millions and potentially billions of dollars, she has a purpose, she has a legit career as co-owner/co-CEO of ballerina farms and as a social media influencer with over 19 million followers across her socials even though she cosplays as a struggling Midwest farmer and pretends likes she’s from the little house on the prairie, she has hobbies, she is healthy, she perfectly fits into the standard of beauty in the west as a hot skinny blonde haired blue eyed waif - her life is fine. You need to worry about yourself more. I have no pity or concern for this ballerina farm lady when there’s women who are real and actual victims in the world like the mothers who are having to bury their kids’ charred and crushed bodies in Palestine or how every 6 hours, a black woman in America gets murdered or how due to inflation and the governments tightening leash social welfare programs like food stamps, how many single moms are gonna be struggling to feed their kids in the coming years since grocery prices have literally tripled and quadrupled over the last 7 years and yet the money she’s paid and aid money she receives hasn’t matched this insane level of inflation. It’s crazy how people will pity the person feasting on low quality caviar and meanwhile, there’s people dying of starvation all around them and even they themselves are barely eating. Save your concern for yourself and the women who actually truly definitely need your concern.
As a survivor of parentification from a family where I was expected to do the majority of the chores because i was a girl, we need to talk about how damaging it is. It can actually contribute to PTSD in some cases, and it definitely contributed to mine.
Yep been there! My brothers couldn't wash dishes b/c they were boys they can't do that. But omg when my brother only cleared a table in late 20s they endlessly praised him. What?! He's doing something I had since I was 7.
Um yeah. Raising siblings too. Much younger ones. Mine was a ten year plus age gap. I did all the chores, cooking, cleaning for them, getting them to school. Baby sis called me Mom first before her biological mom. Parents worked shift work and we had a ranch. Rough. Lots more but it definitely messed me up. I was a scape goat for so much. So much responsibility. It was great in many ways. I needed more in many other ways.
Yeah she’s probably going to have things worse than having to lay in bed for a week, especially if he keeps making her have babies. Her situation is a nightmare
Like the whole concept of trad wives is a relatively new concept if you look at the entirety of human history. Realistically, EVERYONE in the family worked and helped around the house because having just one person bringing home the bread is not sustainable at all. And families weren’t isolated to themselves, they lived in communities where they all helped each other (even with raising kids!). Hell, the idea of trad wives doesn’t even exist with rich people because they were rich enough to pay people to do all cleaning and cooking. Usually the men go to work while the wives ran the house (hosting events, managing house staff, etc) and managed the finances.
I’ve been so invested in this online. My favorite video was the Chappell Roan “Good luck, babe” edit. During the bridge of her song, it’s a bunch of clips of her being a professional ballerina contrasted with her crusty husband.
I feel like this borders on bullying. Like imagine being this lady and all of a sudden overnight have a million strangers mourn the life you couldve had. Watching that edit would break me if I was in her position I fear for her mental health if she genuinely does have regrets cause this must not be easy for her either way.
@@timelessbeautyfashionwhat? He got her pregnant when she was about to go off to a prestigious ballet school, once in a lifetime opportunity. Her husband even told her she has to get married and have kids with asap, he robbed her of her number one passion and dream just to breed her and make her a full time stay at home mum. She has no car of her own, how is that not abusive?
omg im not kidding my mom loves her so much. once we moved to our farm my mom started trying to be like her (i have five siblings). her version is kinda different though. she is the "breadwinner" in our family and my stepdad runs the farm, but they're against feminism (it doesnt make sense to me either).
Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s operating from that weird place where “feminist” got conflated as “‘not like other girls’ girl who shits on others for dressing femininely”. Seriously unfortunate.
The bit about baby math (gotta get pregnant NOW because I only have x number of childbearing years left) hits so hard. I have so many friends who have cried real tears thinking about this. And there's nothing to say to them!
@@scorpionic-night I used to think this too, but honestly, adopted kids deserve more than to be a last resort. If parents have the wrong attitude about adopting, it can lead to bad outcomes for the kid, especially if the parents do end up getting pregnant and having a bio kid
@@tylerbenderr I have a friend who went through this. Decided to have a kid in their mid-thirties, and then found out they had fertility issues. They ended up having a beautiful baby boy via IVF, but not everyone can afford to do that
Our ancestors lived like this without the massive wealth cuz they didn't have a choice, you're telling me these rich kids choose to torture themselves?? Is this some weird fetish the husband gets off seeing his wife so exhausted and over-worked?? A baby a year? Three meals from scratch every day?? It's as if he wants her gone.
Ultimately if she ever leaves, she’ll be fine. She has a potential future career in marketing in the universe where she leaves him and already has an active social media following. It’s the tradwives/ex tradwives that don’t have that net that worry me
@@SPMunnybut they have eight kids, I doubt he’s going to offer to have full custody over them, let alone any form of custody. He’s trapped her and them divorcing would obviously affect the young children significantly.
@rattgod oh no you’re right. I just meant from the financial standpoint she’ll be ok. Additionally considering how much more his net worth is than hers there’d have to be a degree of child support/alimony in their split too unless he completely renounces himself legally as those kids father (which I don’t think he would do because he’s very much into preserving his “legacy” and maintaining his public image)
@MsSPrescott1 courts don't allow a person to do that. He could release legal custody, yes. But he's still on the hook financially (child support). Or many deadbeat fathers could just opt out of paying child support. They can't do that
Ok I grew up evangelical (mormonisms southern cousin) and this is how 99% of my high school friends ended up. The getting married within a month is such a red flag
Period! I am European and grew up evangelical pentacostal, every second got married right after their high school graduation. And many had a kind of arranged marriage.
i REALLY appreciate your perspective on this as someone who understands mormon culture and especially the women's experiences within that world. i think you have a great balance of being empathetic but also critical with how social media is a business selling tradwife ideals. im just an outsider looking in so always appreciate ppl like you speaking about this stuff! ps. absolute slay w the outfit
That’s why we rarely see any happy older tradwives online… they’re not happy for the most part and realize they were robbed of so much because they married and had kids before they even figured out who they were as women.
@@rattgod Spot on. Ask any older tradwife and more than not they say exactly what you said. They wish they waited and lived their life before getting married and having kids. It’s actually pretty scary that I’m seeing commenters advocating for the trad-wife lifestyle when they clearly have no clue how quick it can go wrong. Does what happened to our for mothers mean nothing to them?
@@rattgodI think it's not only that, I imagine that when the kids grow up, they get less things to do, less things to worry about, they are alone more often because kids have friends, go to school, husband works, it's harder to make friendsand so many of the less than ideal things related to depending solely on one person.
Had my first child at 35 years old. Majority of my friends all had their first child in their mid thirties. I was considered a geriatric pregnancy at 35 and my obgyn and I laughed about 35 being considered geriatric. She said it’s just the medical studies are outdated on this! The only thing that was different about my pregnancy compared to women under 35 was I had another In depth ultrasound in my last trimester. I just got to see the baby again before my due date so for me it was a win. Of course everyone is different but talk to your doctors you might have more time than you think.
I feel like a huge piece of this that is missing is Hannah's childhood. Her parents seemed like they kind of led the same life and seems like her sister chose the same. If it's what you grew up seeing and you're part of a highly controlling religion like mormonism I don't find any of this surprising. At the end of the day, Hannah made the choices she did, and while yes, putting yourself out in the public eye also subjects you to scrutiny, I really don't think it's anyone else's place to say she needs "rescuing". To me, this story sounds like Hannah ventured out, trying to build a different life for herself but got sucked back into her mormon bubble and is living her consequence (or joy) in doing so. I actually think this article is a very nice reality check for women idealizing this whole trad wife mentality. I hope more women realize and understand that the truth is it's hard either way and there's struggle either way. You don't know what you don't know until you try!
I would agree with you right up until the bit about her loving the epidural. Clearly it's not her idea to go completely meds free for the agony of child birth, so it indicates a level of control that is....scary.
@@no.6377 The epidural thing is why I don't buy the "this is her choice" argument. The fact that she had to sneak an epidural the one time he wasn't there speaks volumes. He probably holds the biblical view that the agony of childbirth is women's punishment for the sin of Eve. I doubt he would drop the mask enough to outright _forbid_ her from getting an epidural, but I'm guessing he would strongly question her faith and make her feel like a "sinner" if he knew she got one. They claim they're a team, but it's not hard to tell who's in charge.
@@lozen_ge Mormons are weird and tend to have lots of kids, but there’s nothing I’ve ever heard of against epidurals. I was raised by Mormons and am still friends with lots of them living in Utah just like OP - there’s nothing religious against epidurals from everything I’ve seen. My mom very openly had an epidural with each of her 4 childbirths and from the Mormons I’ve talked to, pretty much everyone had epidurals. I’m wondering if that’s more of the homesteading/raw milk lifestyle than the Mormon religion lifestyle?
@@kait112 Sometimes people go into this weird thing about how pain in childbirth was supposed to be the curse of Eve. That was a thing when pain medication during labor became a thing. Of course since mother-f'ing Queen Victoria loved getting pain medication for her many why-can't-I-have-sex-without-getting-pregnant pregnancies so it didn't have problems gaining traction then
He completely interrupted her life and she thinks it’s a blessing 😂😂 so many men get off on knowing that they’ve completely rerouted a woman with great potential for them.
A sprawling estate and she doesnt even get a private room or space of her own to display her gowns, that her husband doesnt even have to go into? Yeah this man doesnt like her
He doesn't like her. He OWNS her. She is not a real person to him. She is a pretty thing that does what she's told. Her wants and desires are trivialised. She is a possession, not a person.
Ballerinas used to be prostitutes too, their jobs were being pretty for men who could not appreciate them. Hannah is trapped in the same situation, having her dreams shattered by someone who cannot appreciate her accomplishments..
Oof….this is literally so much worse than “traditional” roles of wives. My grandparents were basically the version of this couple 50 years ago- they were rich, lived a farm, very religious, and intended to have as many kids as possible. But they constantly had au pairs, cooks, farmhands, etc. My grandmother’s job was basically to manage the house, she didn’t have another full time job of running a social media business. And she definitely wasn’t expected to be up on her feet days after giving birth. This modern version of a tradwife is seriously the worst of both worlds 💀Not to mention, this is the best case scenario where the family is very wealthy, even this is super unrealistic for most people.
You said it yourself that she is incredibly media trained. I don’t see her making a slip up with the epidural story. I think that was completely intentional, and she knew that it would be published. It would not be the first time that we would see family channels lie about pretty much everything that comes out of their mouth. I do believe that is how the husband always is but she knew what she was doing in that interview for whatever her reasons were she knew
Yeah, I knew a young woman who was a nurses aide. She was really smart and was going to junior college at night. Her professor recognized her brilliance and helped her to apply for scholarships to various 4-year colleges. She received a FULL (FULL!!!!) scholarship to NYU. Do you hear me -- f-cking NYU, ivy league, trust fund babies, NYU. She was dating some dude and when she told him the news, suddenly he wanted to get married and have a kid, and, you know, "you can wait at a least year before starting school". The next year it was just one more kid, and the following year -- one more kid. She missed the window of time to utilize the scholarship.
She also said that they only dated for a month and were engaged for two. The math aint mathing here... I wonder if she meant that she got pregnant 3 months after the wedding? Otherwise this was definitely a shotgun wedding.
Try is is why most young marriages end in divorce. These young women being convinced by men that getting married as young as possible is ideal, while men who are older being told that it’s ideal for them to marry when they’re older and more established…. They want women to give up their entire life and dreams for some scrote.
@@hydra70 the way Tyler phrased it was a little confusing but from the article, it said 3 months after the wedding she became pregnant. So she gave birth around their first wedding anniversary
As someone who got out of a mentally and emotionally abusive marriage, she is most certainly being controlled. Whether she's okay with that is something only she knows, but that man has absolutely been calling the shots on her life since he met her.
I feel like there’s no possible way she’s actually happy in that existence.. I mean, he locked her down after one month of dating and before she knew it they were married with a kid. And then he turned her whole life around from her literal hopes and dreams. There’s no way she’s happy. Her life is only for him to use at this point.
I pray that she gets to save & control the money she makes as an influencer because otherwise, she's working 24/7 for room and board and will have nothing if he ever leaves her.
Showing the journalist the rotation and stuff when she is clearly not interested was weirdly something that really stuck me in the article. I’ve met that kind of guy, who has a trapped audience and instead of respecting the person enough to allow them to get back to their task monopolises their time. They do often seem to do this to women (but maybe that’s just my experience as a woman) and they often seem to be men who are power seekers.
Absolutely. He probably just didn't want to leave his wife alone with the journalist for a second, so she couldn't say anything more. He was intentionally keeping her too busy to do that interview properly, even though he didn't even have a good excuse, I mean "let my wife handle the children and I will show you a ditch on our property" doesn't seem very compelling. He didn't have anything interesting to show to that journalist, he just didn't want his wife to have an opportunity to speak up without his oversight.
Nobody needs 8 children. NOBODY. It’s impossible to take proper care of them without help. People in the “good old days” had 10+ children because they expected 8 of them to die before even leaving the toddler years. Jesus…this is pure insanity.
@@katieh1752yup, and let’s be honest, most men didn’t care to get their wives pregnant, regardless if they consented to it or not. I don’t think any man truly loves a woman if he’s willing to get her pregnant over and over and over again, with no consideration to how dangerous and taxing pregnancy and birth can be on our bodies. It’s disgusting quite frankly.
@@katieh1752 you are right, and this family is doing exactly this, in the modern days. This whole “ask God about it” just deeply upsets me, and the kids are essentially props to their videos. I wish it’s not going to be the 8 passanger situation all over again
I'm not even a mom but I live with a 5 year old and sometimes I wish for like 2 minutes of no questions or not telling me stories and following me around, but I if I tried to do it I would have to cut 98% of the footage, because the child would be telling me something.
The way they met is 🚩🚩🚩🚩 I grew up privileged conservative (muslim but tbh that’s just mormon but brown). And i sensed this rich boy trap and I see all my friends sell their hopes and dreams for a family life. I really think your take is 100% accurate.
This whole situation reeks of poorly disguised slavery... "cottage-core" slavery. Don't forget that she doesnt have a car. She is literally trapped on the farm. Yikes 😢
This is very much not slavery. To use that word in the context of an American woman is especially belittling to the actual slavery America contributed to Jfc She chose him and can legally leave him.
@@no.6377 Idk, I feel like you aren't taking important details into consideration. I'll try to explain why I said what I said 1. A house slave is still a slave. Slavery doesn't only look like working out in fields and being routinely beaten. Not to minimize such horrors. But we have to be honest about other forms of slavery such as sexual slavery and indentured servitude. When a person is forced into labor, held hostage, and disempowered (financially, educationally) so that they can never leave--you have a slavery situation. 2. If a person is stalked and harrassed until she complies, that is not freedom of choice. She told him no for 6 mos and he refused to take no for an answer. And he used his financial power to pester/emotionally badger her into compliance through stalking and harassment. 3. He has trapped her with him by impregnating her with so many children in such quick succession. He will always have access to her. And she may never be able to afford so many children on her own. Which means that leaving for her may also mean abandoning most or all of her babies. 4. He won't allow her nannies or daily maids, which keeps her exhausted. Not to mention her work on the farm... 5. He controls the finances. Why can't she buy a car or her own ticket to Greece...? 6. He controls her medical decisions and doesnt seem to care about her pain (no epidurals allowed??). 7. He controls who she can and cannot talk to. She isn't allowed to even speak with the mailman. As for the journalist, he hovers around her for the entire interview and answers half of the questions for her. It's almost like he is afraid of what she might reveal if she speaks to someone alone [like the fact that he ensures her births as painful as possible]. 8. Also, because he holds the financial power in the relationship, fighting him in court would be difficult. Lawyers and legal battles cost money. 9. He has shown her that she cannot run from him--not easily anyway. Him jumping on a plane and arranging to have the seat next to her is intimidation and stalking. 10. He whisked her down to a foreign country where she couldn't speak the language while she was pregnant and kept her there for years. 11. He cut her career ($$$) off at the knees before it could really get off the ground. I would be interested to know if she has any control over the money she makes from Ballerina Farm... he seems to call all the shots so I'm skeptical. "She can just leave," sounds nice in theory. But you have to take her financial vulnerability and children into account. You have to consider her lack of education courtesy of her husband and the gap on her resume (no education, no skills, no experience, years away from ballet). Most importantly, you have to be honest about the husband's controlling, isolating, and stalking behaviors--and what these behaviors imply. I wonder what he said to her on that plane to make her go from a hard and sustained no, to "let's get engaged, married, and pregnant all within a year. Oh and I'll forget about Juilliard and everything I have worked for." I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he threatened her family or her life or some ish while on that 5 hour plane ride. For all those reasons, I stand by what I said: Cottage-core slavery
These kind of relationships are so weird to me because my parents had four kids and my dad was the stay at home parent for several years while my mom worked- he did the dishes, he did the cleaning, he did the laundry, he did the grocery shopping. and then when my younger siblings were old enough to go to school and we were going through a financial rough patch he went back to work and it wasn't like his duties stopped because of that. He just now had to work a job and split the duties with my mother who was also working full time. I never understand a family where the parents are not splitting work evenly or there is a decision that just because the mom is the mom, she has to do everything. My parents were also feminist, so maybe that had a lot to do with it.
My dad did a lot more around the house than most men. My mom had some health issues and physically couldn’t do as much. Then I married a man whose parents had very traditional roles. He expected me to do things just like his mom. I was so confused and hurt by his controlling attitude! It took years to work through it and I still do 90% of the inside stuff and he does 99% of the outside stuff. 🤷🏼♀️
Home births are the norm outside of the US and there’s nothing wrong with them if a trained/qualified medical professional attends the birth AND if it’s a low risk birth…I gave birth in a birthing center with midwives…they were constantly checking the baby’s heartbeat, gave me a shot of pitocin to stop any bleeding and then stitched me up with pain meds after I tore…my midwife also had a working relationship with an OBGYN at a local hospital, who I met with before the birth in case there was any complications…there is a way to give birth safely outside of a hospital, but it has to be under the right circumstances 🙏🏼 Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂
21:18 On Daniel about planned pregnancies "God is it time to bring another life to earth?" "I've never been told No". What about the wife? Have you ever asked her if she's ready to bear another child for 9 months while taking care of your other children? 😢
@@joannachen76I literally read a comment like that on this same video that was 100% serious but worded a little differently More of a passive aggressive threat, wtf is wrong with people 💀 what kinda drugs are they on to fry their brains like this, cavemen were more civil and humain
"ive never been told no" like theres some kind of cap or limit to how many kids one person can make thats decided by god and not controllable by you, like its supposed to be a bit of a joke but people really be having tons of kids "just because" lolol
It’s so sad that your friends can’t bring themselves to call themselves feminists. I’m an elder millennial and I can’t imagine any one of my friends, even when I was your age, shunning feminism. My parents are both boomers and were very much feminists, allies, and totally accepting. The older I get the larger chasm I see between white and black boomers when it comes to ideologies and what they even remember about the period of time when varied human rights were being fought for. My dad who was born in ‘47 passed over a decade ago and I’m glad he did not have to witness what is happening in this country right now. He lived long enough to see the first black president at least.
Have you ever seen the show Big Love? They had a very interesting look into the way Mormonism interacts with feminism which Jeanne Triplehorn played beautifully
I didn't know who she was until I watched Jordan and McKay's video about her. This video adds some more context to it for me. I don't know. I think it's sad. She essentially got stalked and kinda worn down by this guy before she got a chance to even know who she is and now she's stuck with him with 8 kids while he takes every piece of her and of course he doesn't care because the entire thing benefits him. If someone did this in different context, it would be labour trafficking, but when it's your wife, it's ok.
@@sunflowerlovesbeesboth of their families are big, he has 9 siblings, and so does she, I think her sister have 10 or 11 children by now, they are mormon, and having a lot of children is expected, it's complicated.
The question I keep having is, was Hannah ever a real ballerina outside of the Julliard school? The name of the farm is the ONLY thing she has. the husband won't even build her a place to do ballet a tiny bit, She's trapped and can't even enjoy the one thing she loved outside of 'family'. The egg collector apron instead of the trip to Greece was so sad. I think Baby trapping is to be used here too. within the span of 6 months they were dating, married, and had a kid ?? Hold on it takes 9 months for a baby HOW is it that 3 months after the wedding the first child was born, unless a preemee.
As a childfree who only actually realized this in a conscious way in her late twenties, baby math is something I am only just now realizing is something I’ve never done. Never even occurred to me, probably because in the back of my mind I was always pumping the brakes. Wonder what other serious life equations have never occurred to me 🤔
Yes!!! It was giving Redeye!!!!if a strange person was following me on a plane to pursue me romantically I would be ready to push them out of the emergency exit
Someone FINALLY recognized the unequal division of labor and the parentification in that paragraph! That paragraph was the biggest "alarm bells" moment for me, but so many other commentary youtubers just gloss over it.
You are fairly unique on this subject cause you’re young, present in quite a typical feminine way, and grew up in peak trad wife culture. So it’s difficult for you to be discounted the stereotypical way - ‘hit the wall’ ‘bitter’ ‘liberal influence’.
@@tylerbenderr Change nothing lmao, embrace the scuff, it already fits your baking vibe and lets just say I find it *highly relatable* as I think a lotta people's setups aren't so different
@@tylerbenderr idk what ceiling height you have but a loft bed might be a an option? Then it can be made kinda private with drapes or something and the space underneath can be used as well
That girl Alice is with her baby Fern is now a “recovered” trad wife after getting a divorce. It’s really sad how abusive a lot of these situations are behind the scenes.
I really appreciate how empathetic you are. I'm reluctant to form an opinion until I hear a few more takes. On the one hand, she chose this life, on the other hand, many people took out student loans at her age that they regret. I can see how you can wake up one day when you're older and wiser and suddenly realize you're trapped or that this isn't the dream after all. I just learned she wanted tickets to Greece for her birthday and this horrible man got her an apron instead. WTF?! Still waiting for it to be a joke and he'll surprise her in another video but.... yikes! Curious to know if she has (is allowed to have?) a separate bank account for her social media income.
I mean what’s really worse? Student loans with freedom, or no student loans, but you’re at the mercy of your husband and you and your kids are in deep doo doo if he passes, divorces, or becomes disabled. This lifestyle is incredibly risky and ripe with abuse.
Re the “I have to get pregnant yesterday” comment; depending on individual health risks and factors, you can have children in your late 30s. Your uterus doesn’t expire on your 35th bday. You have time ❤
There is something so awful about the idea, you have to do everything by age 40. Not just kids and family but also careers. It’s like we expect women to disappear at middle age.
Yet they have tons of help they have teachers for the homeschooling they have a housekeeper they have a babysitter for date night and they have tons of help on the ranch
As another ex Mormon, this is the best video on this article. Yes we’re both kind of biased but I also used to be ultra conservative and now I’m much more feminist than I’ve ever been. What most of the people who claim this article is “biased” they’re also biased about women and don’t understand the LDS church. I moved to LA at 21 to pursue acting and all of my family’s friends acted like I was going to hell. 😂
I read the article and hoped you would talked about this!!!!!! The part were she whispered that she had an epidural when her husband wasn’t there and it was great was so sad! The whole thing feels like a weird thriller novel!
Love your contents on trad wives... You are the only one who speak the truth about them without mellowing anything... These kind of contents require harsh criticism
Heres why i don't think its a hit piece. Someone tried doing a hit piece on brandon Sanderson. Thats what a hit piece with no basis looks like. For those who don't want to go read it. Sanderson showed him stuff like his movie theater and introduced him to his family, and it was clear he was trying to find a crappy angle for everything. This author probably had an agenda but the ballerina farm stuff is also sus af and i hope hannah gets out
People saying that she’s too smart to not be in on it reminds me of what my sister said after breaking up with abusive bf of 2 years “I kept thinking I was too smart to be abused”
Thing about the raw milk: one of the common pathogens in raw milk is listetia monocytogenes, which is a food borne pathogen that usually doesn't affect us...unless you're pregnant. On the off chance you get it, and if you're pregnant, it's a 99% chance of miscarriage or still birth, etc. idk where they get their milk, but that farmer either is super meticulous about sanitation (of both equipment and the cow's tits) or Hannah doesn't drink it while pregnant.
I’m an active member of the church, consider myself a feminist, have been a working mom for 9 years (though currently stopped to do a masters), and do not support tradwives. I do not lump her in with them. A couple thoughts: 1) there are definitely cringey things in this piece 2) there is definitely bias in this piece 3) I’m team epidural. Many women aren’t and choose medication free births for reasons I totally respect. But anyone who has done natural and then got an epidural and didn’t feel it would probably tell you it was amazing. Even if they went on to more births with no meds. Oh I didn’t feel all that tearing? Of course it was amazing! But they have their reasons. Doesn’t mean he forced her. 4) she’s smart. She isn’t pushy. She’s selling her business, but she isn’t gross about it. She was raised by hard working parents and works hard herself. Shes done plenty of interviews, why would she suddenly “slip” and finally tell the world how oppressed she is? The author totally misrepresented her. She doesn’t comment on the drama that surrounds her on social media, but she did post a video in response to this article. I think she was probably like wtf when she read it. 5) people hate them because they’re rich. God forbid people have money! People look for reasons to knock this family. It’s sad. I have PLENTY of commentary on sexism in the church and how women have been lead to not reach their potential outside of family life, and I have a lot to say about him pushing for marriage and kids how it’s portrayed he did, BUT I also think there is a lot of undeserved hate for them.
Can I just say, that can also be one way to tell if a farm is a hobby farm or a regular farm - on a regular farm, usually they'll sell primarily grain, livestock, vegetables, dairy, or chicken, and they won't really convert it into anything further. They let food manufacturers do that, for the most part. If you get bacon from a big farm directly, the odds are high that you're buying it right from the person you know who runs the farm. If the farm is selling bacon, steaks, or bread directly to the consumer as its main form of income, it's a good chance that the farm is more of a hobby farm.
As someone who has had her words twisted by media, the truth is somewhere in there however I don't believe the whole article. Journos are notorious for putting words (never said) in the mouths of the subjects they're featuring and there's definitely going to be biases - the editor, journo, etc all influencing it. I have two words: media literacy. The whole internet needs a damn class in it.
@@tylerbenderr oh my gosh I am such a big fan! I think whatever we name it should incorporate trad into the name like Traddison or something like that.
Have you seen Alyssa Grenfell's video about mormon influencers? Makes me think anything we see is far more manipulative and curated than the average influencer.
It is. There are other videos that point out certain wording and filming techniques they use to signal what “good” Mormons they are, and I can’t unsee it. It’s all fake.
As someone who has spent a lot of time listening to birth stories it is very common for women to get an epidural when their husband isn’t there because they are lacking needed support during their labour. Even some of the biggest proponents of unmediated births have opted for an epidural when their spouse wasn’t with them during labour because labour is hard and vulnerable and most women need support to do it unmedicated. To me that was the intuitive read on the situation. It is literally the framing of the author that makes it seem like a hush hush secret from Daniel and as if he is forcing her to birth at home without an epidural. There were some interesting points the article brought to light but the epidural one seemed like made up drama the author was trying to stir up.
I never really thought about this perspective before regarding why she said what she did. Considering that she married into a wealthy family, getting a divorce could make her life a living heck. Maybe her way of showing that she was pressured into the marriage, and now she wants her freedom. It seems like she may be thinking about divorce, wanting to take the kids with her, and seeking child support and alimony. Or she's thinking about money. 🤷🏾♀
Hannah comes from a wealthy family herself and all her siblings married wealthy as well. She lied about being poor in her earlier videos. Either way Hannah will be fine if she divorces.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809not really, she is mormon, they can get shunned, she could lose custody to her children, her family seems to have the same values as her husband, it's not that simple when they are fundie.
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This reminds me so much of my mom. She was a biology student who was accepted to a PhD program, but my grandmother forced her to drop out to get married. She always encourages me to follow my dreams, and it’s so sad to think that the only reason I can is because she gave up hers.
Oof that hits hard
My mom has TWO DEGREES! Two! She had dreams, ambitions, goals... she was going to be an accountant! I will preface this with I love my dad and this is just the mormon culture. She gave all of that up the moment she got married. She used to be a phenomenal artist and a seamstress, yet the older I got the less she embraced those hobbies. Now pretty much the only hobby she has is running. She's emotionally withdrawn, doesn't really spend one on one time with my youngest sister (who's nine) she's clearly depressed. All because she gave up her identity and her dreams and burned out. Parents without hobbies become neglectful.
My mom cleared medical entrance exam in india but she was forced to marry. My dad couldn't afford medical fees but the second thing she loved was teaching so he helped her thru teachers degree college and she has been working for 30+ years
@flutenanyidk1806 why do you have to preface that you love your dad?
@karinalumen9722 I think this is actually a bit complicated by the unequal standard mothers and fathers are held to. While they are both parents, fathers rarely have to deal with the push and pull between being a father and their dreams because society doesn’t expect for them to take care of their children to the degree mothers are expected to. It is possible to be an excellent mother and follow your dreams, but this is definitely helped by a good support system and a partner who shares equal parenting responsibilities with you. Without it, unfortunately, the scales tend to shift to one side due to the strain of numerous responsibilities.
If a man who I'd previously rejected was suddenly in the seat next to me on the plane, I would be TERRIFIED
Exactly
Exactly. He wouldn't take NO for an answer, stalked her, wore her down and then made sure she could never follow her ballet career by putting 8 kids in her. Like, that is exactly one of the guys we choose the bear over.
She wasnt tho?
THAT PART the red flags multiplying exponentially
@@KARMAZYNAand my mom said she was the one who submitted to him...
For context, Julliard accepts only 12 male and 12 female dancers in ballet. You have to be the best of the best of the best to get in and this guy ruined all of that.
woah 🤯
😭😭😭
Growing up, I had a neighbor couple, and she was a Juliard trained dancer, and he was a dance instructor.
I saw the wife dance once, and Juliard doesn't eff around. Lady had TALENT.
How many cats do you own? 😂
@@lottie1144 Better than being owned as a slave by a master who is cosplaying as husband.
Girls, Im a 35yo doctor that recently had her first kid. You have NO idea how much you will have to give up to be a mother, regardless of having childcare and being well off. I love my kid more than life and maternity has great things but PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
Agree!!!!
I’m a recently retired professor, and we see it in our fields as well. Women who choose to have kids while still fighting for tenure (so during the 28-35 age range) almost always lose their shot at a prestigious tenure track job and/or securing tenure unless they have a live-in nanny type or extensive help. Women who go through the incredible work of writing their dissertations then publishing and securing an extremely competitive job at a good university takes every minute of one’s time and constant travel, teaching, conferences, research (often overseas as in my field), service on university committees, etc - publishing books and reviews of books, etc.
She wanted her own modest little dance studio and that husband turned it into a one room schoolhouse so she can never escape the kids. Ever. And he’s a billionaire. Gross.
So if every woman decide to never have kids the human population will go extinct? And the intense care is not forever, soon they will go to school and develop autonomy. Its not a life sentence. And when you are 50 with no kids life will be pretty lonely for you
I truly feel that no parent can have a deep and personal relationship with every one of their kids after they reach a certain number. Kids are so much work, and having quality time with each one is so important.
I currently only have m 1, but my max has always been 4. My parents both had kids young, prior to meeting (15-20 years between us and the half-siblings) and so we basically had 4 for most of it, and that was great. 2 boys and 2 girls (because my mom didn’t want anyone to feel outnumbered haha) and I feel like we all developed our own deep relationships with our parents and no one was really that parentified because we’re all 20-24 months apart, so the max age gap is 6 years
I'm a divorced/single parent of 3 and there's NEVER enough time to give them all what they need emotionally. 😞
They can't. Especially when she has to do all the cooking by scratch.
In my family it was three, after the fourth sibling we slowly became distant with our parents, yet they went on to have another 2 kids. There were lots of issues.
The secret to it is not having children back to back. My dad was like sibling 9 out of 10. But all his siblings were born several years apart.
“I was a good ballerina.”
She was an amazing ballerina. And whenever someone brings up this quote, my heart breaks for her.
Omg, you didn't even mention that her husband got her an APRON for her birthday when she wanted a trip to Greece. I hate that man so much.
Fr 30 minutes and STILL didn’t get to it
@@tylerbenderrwill you make a part 2
THAT KILLED ME!!!
“Is it Greece?!? Is it Greece?!?”
“Its a …. Chicken apron…”
*Him… when she doesn’t swoon over it immediately*
“…UR Welcome!”
OMG….. CHILLS… ANGER… PUNCHING THE WALLS & PUKING UP MY COLA!! It’s DISTURBING!
🤮
Me too he even has the look! Us traumatized people know the look!
This is what would’ve happened if Belle married Gaston 😂
OMG. You're not wrong 😂
Omg lol
So true😂I love this comment!
Or the beast as the beast and that is the worst story and it primes women for this!
Yup
Most Ballerina's retire by the age of 30 IF they have a career with no injuries. She could have had everything she wanted theoretically
Could have. Just could have. It’s sad.
Yes, this, she could have had her career and then do the children thing, it's so sad, because it feels like she wanted the career.
Great point! Thank you!
The fact that she lowered her voice to talk about the epidural...this article is so unbelievably sad
Handmaid tale coded
It's BS. She was lying and she likes to pretend she's a victim so that she would gain more followers. This is how insane and narcissistic she is.
@@tylerbenderr😊😊😊😊
When I read the Facebook comments about this article, blew my mind. So many women were upset saying how it's not disempowerment for women to want to be a homemaker. Like ma'am, no one is coming for your ambitionless behind. The husband is a bright red flag, and these online women saw nothing wrong with him. These women commenters are out there somewhere raising the next generation... We are doomed.
Kinda hope she secretly had her tubes tide after this since he wasn’t there.
‘This is what happens when you have too many kids, they get parentified’ SPEAK ON IT 🗣️
thanks king!!
I’m the oldest of six. I’m 34 and childless because I’ve raised enough kids and I’m tired 😅
@@ElyfairyI'm the eldest of 5 but one of my brother's is blind with a severely under formed brain and I had to also help watch all my siblings including him, I was basically a second mum, about 18 years now of looking after my siblings, technically Ive already helped raise kids and that was wayyyyy more than enough for me lmao, yet Ive still got people telling me to have kids myself even though they're definitely not something I want
I'm the oldest of 15. I'm 31 and have 4 children. I think the best gift that you can give your children is siblings.
@@averykempf9164 i think as long as anyone who’s having multiple kids is in the financial position to be able to comfortably provide for them then more power to them! Personally I’m from a family that wasn’t and so I just know I’d never want to put anyone else thru that.
"She wouldn't go on a date with me for 6 months" here is literally "i stalked her until she said yes because *I* decided *I* wanted to marry her, regardless of what she wants" wtffffff. This just feels like watching a mormon woman actively falling victim to the grooming they're raised with, and the man living his dream exactly as he always wanted.
I wanna cry
bro this man trapped her, now she’s in the middle of nowhere with 8 kids, reliant on him 100% for finances, how they met would have me changing my name and hiring security, her dreams pushed to the side and thrown out because HE wanted that life
A good partner should support, not silence you (Oprah meme but fr fr)
And he did it by manipulating her and brainwashing her into thinking it was her idea 💀 it's so fucked up
Converting her she-shed into something for the kids was a huge middle finger to her, and a way to keep her in her place. Friends and family probably encouraged her to date when he kept pestering her.
Egad, I hope I make it to the part where I find out how they met. I’m adhd and something might come up, lmao. Fingers crossed 😅
Uhhh with her social media empire, she's not relying on him for anything. She's got her own money from this. If they divorced, her social media would grow even more. She'd be incredibly ok on her own. You guys are wild. So judgemental.
Appearantly he owns the llc 😮 so she may not get it if it all goes down. But im not a lawyer @danielleholmberg270
I saw the tiktok of her receiving an apron for her birthday. And that fucking broke me. No one deserves this and by god she deserves so much more.
I literally can’t believe I yapped for 30 mins and didn’t even get to mentioning that
The desperate, "i need a fucking break" coded "i hope theyre plane tickets" broke me. Her husband has enough money to get a manager to step in on the farm temporarily ans take the entire family on a luxury holiday we couldnt begin to imagine, with maids, but no apparently not
I would just immediately leave the house and go to Greece alone. Ask friends to help if this prick controls all the money
Yeah I don’t think that was an act. He wanted to remind her what her place is.
@@stephe1506 fuck they could afford to hire some farm hands to lighten the load on her. Even like a live in butler/maid. It’s clear her husband has fuck you levels of money and it’d probably help her.
The tradwife fantasy is hardly ever the *wife's* dream. They're fostering their husband's dream. They're playing Little House on the Prairie.
ugh men
I would disagree, I think some women do really like the Tradwife life (have heard stories where it’s the wife that pushes to stay at home, for example), but agree that it is performative and unrealistic!
@@mintc.6456 was ready to disagree with you but yeah there are some women who enjoy this I just feel like we’re devolving
@@honey6610that’s what feminism is all about though. The ability to decide to live our lives however we want to you. So if someone wants to live a more traditional lifestyle then more power to them. There are a lot of women that wish they could, but it’s not feasible for them.
@bri5155 oh no the horror women getting to decide how they want to live
That epidural was probably the most releif from pain and anguish that woman has felt in years
She is the ballerina in the jewelry box, trapped in a pretty prison. I really hope she will be ok and can get help if she needs it.
This comment is so underrated. It's a sad tragedy
In prison you often don't deal with kids, cooking, cleaning...
Honestly, she is probably way more okay than you on many different levels. Maybe you should worry more about yourself and your own mother rather than a billionaires wife who is a literal Co-CEO of her and her husbands company and is living her best Mormon life she has dreamt of since she was a kids.
She has love, she has companionship, she is surrounded by family, she has millions of fans, she has access to millions and potentially billions of dollars, she has a purpose, she has a legit career as co-owner/co-CEO of ballerina farms and as a social media influencer with over 19 million followers across her socials even though she cosplays as a struggling Midwest farmer and pretends likes she’s from the little house on the prairie, she has hobbies, she is healthy, she perfectly fits into the standard of beauty in the west as a hot skinny blonde haired blue eyed waif - her life is fine.
You need to worry about yourself more.
I have no pity or concern for this ballerina farm lady when there’s women who are real and actual victims in the world like the mothers who are having to bury their kids’ charred and crushed bodies in Palestine or how every 6 hours, a black woman in America gets murdered or how due to inflation and the governments tightening leash social welfare programs like food stamps, how many single moms are gonna be struggling to feed their kids in the coming years since grocery prices have literally tripled and quadrupled over the last 7 years and yet the money she’s paid and aid money she receives hasn’t matched this insane level of inflation.
It’s crazy how people will pity the person feasting on low quality caviar and meanwhile, there’s people dying of starvation all around them and even they themselves are barely eating. Save your concern for yourself and the women who actually truly definitely need your concern.
As a survivor of parentification from a family where I was expected to do the majority of the chores because i was a girl, we need to talk about how damaging it is. It can actually contribute to PTSD in some cases, and it definitely contributed to mine.
God yes
Yep been there! My brothers couldn't wash dishes b/c they were boys they can't do that. But omg when my brother only cleared a table in late 20s they endlessly praised him. What?! He's doing something I had since I was 7.
It contributed to me avoiding cleaning my own house. Because now i can choose when I want to.
I can't imagine it would help if you were doing it and your mom was also upstairs unavailable to the world bc of her lifestyle
Um yeah. Raising siblings too. Much younger ones. Mine was a ten year plus age gap. I did all the chores, cooking, cleaning for them, getting them to school. Baby sis called me Mom first before her biological mom. Parents worked shift work and we had a ranch. Rough. Lots more but it definitely messed me up. I was a scape goat for so much. So much responsibility. It was great in many ways. I needed more in many other ways.
This is NOT traditional. This is an attempt at unachievable fantasy. She is going to break.
Yeah she’s probably going to have things worse than having to lay in bed for a week, especially if he keeps making her have babies. Her situation is a nightmare
I think needing entire weeks off at a time every few weeks is already broken.
Like the whole concept of trad wives is a relatively new concept if you look at the entirety of human history. Realistically, EVERYONE in the family worked and helped around the house because having just one person bringing home the bread is not sustainable at all. And families weren’t isolated to themselves, they lived in communities where they all helped each other (even with raising kids!). Hell, the idea of trad wives doesn’t even exist with rich people because they were rich enough to pay people to do all cleaning and cooking. Usually the men go to work while the wives ran the house (hosting events, managing house staff, etc) and managed the finances.
Sadly, that is traditional.
@@WynnWynn-gl3fk by what culture?
I’ve been so invested in this online. My favorite video was the Chappell Roan “Good luck, babe” edit. During the bridge of her song, it’s a bunch of clips of her being a professional ballerina contrasted with her crusty husband.
i was so confused to see a checkmark here tbh
hi emily!!
omg i've seen this
god i need to find this
I feel like this borders on bullying. Like imagine being this lady and all of a sudden overnight have a million strangers mourn the life you couldve had. Watching that edit would break me if I was in her position I fear for her mental health if she genuinely does have regrets cause this must not be easy for her either way.
as a ballet dancer, this is absolutely terrifying and my biggest nightmare. like this situation genuinely scares me
stay in school bbg
fr so spookmagoot
It's so scary. Never EVER let yourself get into a gilded cage.
Like watching this I actually shivered. You couldn’t pay me a million dollars to choose this over a career- I’m staying in college.
I’m a dancer too and same… I make it very clear to men that a pregnancy for me is a death sentence.
I really feel for women trapped in situations like this.
Sameee
Yeah, but the real ones, not the ones who are just pretending to be victims like the Ballerina b-word.
@@timelessbeautyfashionwhat? He got her pregnant when she was about to go off to a prestigious ballet school, once in a lifetime opportunity. Her husband even told her she has to get married and have kids with asap, he robbed her of her number one passion and dream just to breed her and make her a full time stay at home mum. She has no car of her own, how is that not abusive?
@@timelessbeautyfashionaw, is someone jealous?
They are not trapped,this is not 1920's,they can leave
omg im not kidding my mom loves her so much. once we moved to our farm my mom started trying to be like her (i have five siblings). her version is kinda different though. she is the "breadwinner" in our family and my stepdad runs the farm, but they're against feminism (it doesnt make sense to me either).
so annoying... hopefully you get good bread out of it though
@@tylerbenderr i wish, im the one making bread (for future content)
Your mom is so close yet so far to understanding that because of feminism, she’s able to be the breadwinner lmaoo
Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s operating from that weird place where “feminist” got conflated as “‘not like other girls’ girl who shits on others for dressing femininely”. Seriously unfortunate.
@@rattgod LITERALLY!!!!
The bit about baby math (gotta get pregnant NOW because I only have x number of childbearing years left) hits so hard. I have so many friends who have cried real tears thinking about this. And there's nothing to say to them!
it's terrifying. And then if you're faced with the very real situation of fertility issues...
Yall can consider adopting lol
@@scorpionic-night I used to think this too, but honestly, adopted kids deserve more than to be a last resort. If parents have the wrong attitude about adopting, it can lead to bad outcomes for the kid, especially if the parents do end up getting pregnant and having a bio kid
@@tylerbenderr I have a friend who went through this. Decided to have a kid in their mid-thirties, and then found out they had fertility issues. They ended up having a beautiful baby boy via IVF, but not everyone can afford to do that
@@scorpionic-night
Adoptions cost as much as childbirth, so it's equally out of fiscal reach.
Our ancestors lived like this without the massive wealth cuz they didn't have a choice, you're telling me these rich kids choose to torture themselves??
Is this some weird fetish the husband gets off seeing his wife so exhausted and over-worked?? A baby a year? Three meals from scratch every day?? It's as if he wants her gone.
Apparently
Our ancestors didn’t cook three meals a day. They had bread, cheese and beer for breakfast lol.
@@meganpata9033also the "intermittent fasting" trend just used to be how people ate 🥩
No they have a ton of help and are filthy rich they're just cosplaying as homesteaders
Billionaire children like Daniel get what they want. I just hope she can divorce him one day without going bankrupt.
Ultimately if she ever leaves, she’ll be fine. She has a potential future career in marketing in the universe where she leaves him and already has an active social media following. It’s the tradwives/ex tradwives that don’t have that net that worry me
@@SPMunnybut they have eight kids, I doubt he’s going to offer to have full custody over them, let alone any form of custody. He’s trapped her and them divorcing would obviously affect the young children significantly.
@rattgod oh no you’re right. I just meant from the financial standpoint she’ll be ok. Additionally considering how much more his net worth is than hers there’d have to be a degree of child support/alimony in their split too unless he completely renounces himself legally as those kids father (which I don’t think he would do because he’s very much into preserving his “legacy” and maintaining his public image)
All she has to do is write a book after the divorce and she’ll be okay! I would buy that book for sure!!
@MsSPrescott1 courts don't allow a person to do that. He could release legal custody, yes. But he's still on the hook financially (child support). Or many deadbeat fathers could just opt out of paying child support. They can't do that
Ok I grew up evangelical (mormonisms southern cousin) and this is how 99% of my high school friends ended up. The getting married within a month is such a red flag
Reallll
Period! I am European and grew up evangelical pentacostal, every second got married right after their high school graduation. And many had a kind of arranged marriage.
Would not take much work to make her life into a psychological horror movie.
Black swan ballerina farm
They do, it's called "pearl"
It would take no work. Her life is pure horror and dread.
wait until you see stepford wives it'll rock ur world buddy boy
i REALLY appreciate your perspective on this as someone who understands mormon culture and especially the women's experiences within that world. i think you have a great balance of being empathetic but also critical with how social media is a business selling tradwife ideals. im just an outsider looking in so always appreciate ppl like you speaking about this stuff! ps. absolute slay w the outfit
Thank you for watching!
so exhausted she can't get out of bed for a week? thats called depression. there is no way in hell she's happy
In like 5-7 years, we’re gg to see the consumers of tradwivery pivot HARD when they realise that the women they watch are indeed just grifters.
I think we’re also gonna see a lot of these women get burned from the tradwife lifestyle, divorced with no job prospects etc.
That’s why we rarely see any happy older tradwives online… they’re not happy for the most part and realize they were robbed of so much because they married and had kids before they even figured out who they were as women.
@@rattgod Spot on. Ask any older tradwife and more than not they say exactly what you said. They wish they waited and lived their life before getting married and having kids. It’s actually pretty scary that I’m seeing commenters advocating for the trad-wife lifestyle when they clearly have no clue how quick it can go wrong. Does what happened to our for mothers mean nothing to them?
Well, assuming the fascists don't win the current election
@@rattgodI think it's not only that, I imagine that when the kids grow up, they get less things to do, less things to worry about, they are alone more often because kids have friends, go to school, husband works, it's harder to make friendsand so many of the less than ideal things related to depending solely on one person.
Had my first child at 35 years old. Majority of my friends all had their first child in their mid thirties. I was considered a geriatric pregnancy at 35 and my obgyn and I laughed about 35 being considered geriatric. She said it’s just the medical studies are outdated on this! The only thing that was different about my pregnancy compared to women under 35 was I had another In depth ultrasound in my last trimester. I just got to see the baby again before my due date so for me it was a win. Of course everyone is different but talk to your doctors you might have more time than you think.
I've had my children at 33, 36, 37, and 43. There's time.
I feel like a huge piece of this that is missing is Hannah's childhood. Her parents seemed like they kind of led the same life and seems like her sister chose the same. If it's what you grew up seeing and you're part of a highly controlling religion like mormonism I don't find any of this surprising. At the end of the day, Hannah made the choices she did, and while yes, putting yourself out in the public eye also subjects you to scrutiny, I really don't think it's anyone else's place to say she needs "rescuing". To me, this story sounds like Hannah ventured out, trying to build a different life for herself but got sucked back into her mormon bubble and is living her consequence (or joy) in doing so. I actually think this article is a very nice reality check for women idealizing this whole trad wife mentality. I hope more women realize and understand that the truth is it's hard either way and there's struggle either way. You don't know what you don't know until you try!
She was groomed
I would agree with you right up until the bit about her loving the epidural. Clearly it's not her idea to go completely meds free for the agony of child birth, so it indicates a level of control that is....scary.
@@no.6377 The epidural thing is why I don't buy the "this is her choice" argument. The fact that she had to sneak an epidural the one time he wasn't there speaks volumes. He probably holds the biblical view that the agony of childbirth is women's punishment for the sin of Eve. I doubt he would drop the mask enough to outright _forbid_ her from getting an epidural, but I'm guessing he would strongly question her faith and make her feel like a "sinner" if he knew she got one. They claim they're a team, but it's not hard to tell who's in charge.
@@lozen_ge Mormons are weird and tend to have lots of kids, but there’s nothing I’ve ever heard of against epidurals.
I was raised by Mormons and am still friends with lots of them living in Utah just like OP - there’s nothing religious against epidurals from everything I’ve seen. My mom very openly had an epidural with each of her 4 childbirths and from the Mormons I’ve talked to, pretty much everyone had epidurals. I’m wondering if that’s more of the homesteading/raw milk lifestyle than the Mormon religion lifestyle?
@@kait112 Sometimes people go into this weird thing about how pain in childbirth was supposed to be the curse of Eve. That was a thing when pain medication during labor became a thing. Of course since mother-f'ing Queen Victoria loved getting pain medication for her many why-can't-I-have-sex-without-getting-pregnant pregnancies so it didn't have problems gaining traction then
He completely interrupted her life and she thinks it’s a blessing 😂😂 so many men get off on knowing that they’ve completely rerouted a woman with great potential for them.
Tyler is the og tradwife commentator
ugh i love when you guys agree with me lolllllll
The Bill Simmons of tradwives, yes.
He out her gowns in the garage because he couldn’t stand looking at them…… that might be her last straw. She doesn’t sound happy.
A sprawling estate and she doesnt even get a private room or space of her own to display her gowns, that her husband doesnt even have to go into? Yeah this man doesnt like her
He doesn't like her.
He OWNS her.
She is not a real person to him. She is a pretty thing that does what she's told.
Her wants and desires are trivialised. She is a possession, not a person.
@@stephe1506 like she wanted a ballet studio... it was made into a classroom for their kids...
this woman has no proper space of her own
Tyler: I hope I don't alienate my audience being judgmental.
The Audience: We watch commentary to enjoy the judgement.
Audience: scrolling comments for the real savagery
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She’s getting the life decades of ballerinas fought against: getting sold to a rich man and forced out of her dreams.
Ballerinas used to be prostitutes too, their jobs were being pretty for men who could not appreciate them. Hannah is trapped in the same situation, having her dreams shattered by someone who cannot appreciate her accomplishments..
Oof….this is literally so much worse than “traditional” roles of wives. My grandparents were basically the version of this couple 50 years ago- they were rich, lived a farm, very religious, and intended to have as many kids as possible. But they constantly had au pairs, cooks, farmhands, etc. My grandmother’s job was basically to manage the house, she didn’t have another full time job of running a social media business. And she definitely wasn’t expected to be up on her feet days after giving birth.
This modern version of a tradwife is seriously the worst of both worlds 💀Not to mention, this is the best case scenario where the family is very wealthy, even this is super unrealistic for most people.
You said it yourself that she is incredibly media trained. I don’t see her making a slip up with the epidural story. I think that was completely intentional, and she knew that it would be published. It would not be the first time that we would see family channels lie about pretty much everything that comes out of their mouth.
I do believe that is how the husband always is but she knew what she was doing in that interview for whatever her reasons were she knew
Yeah, I knew a young woman who was a nurses aide. She was really smart and was going to junior college at night. Her professor recognized her brilliance and helped her to apply for scholarships to various 4-year colleges. She received a FULL (FULL!!!!) scholarship to NYU. Do you hear me -- f-cking NYU, ivy league, trust fund babies, NYU. She was dating some dude and when she told him the news, suddenly he wanted to get married and have a kid, and, you know, "you can wait at a least year before starting school". The next year it was just one more kid, and the following year -- one more kid. She missed the window of time to utilize the scholarship.
what major was she going to study in NYU and hold old was she ? this is frustrating 😢
@@Dovelunalove I think it was mathematics. She was in her early twenties. This was over 30 years ago.
NYU isn't Ivy League but it's damn close
Maybe she wanted to have children.
@@theresa.m.no
the baby in the shirt is killing me lmao
Her husband is at work. She's waiting on her sourdough starter and making content. Give Tyler a break on her parenting methods. She's doing her best!
@@ChaosTheoriesLuxe it must be hard 😔
@@ChaosTheoriesLuxeit must be so hard being such a girl boss trad wife 😞
• "3 months after their wedding..."
*Okay*
• "...Their first baby arrived."
*Holy shitness*
She also said that they only dated for a month and were engaged for two. The math aint mathing here...
I wonder if she meant that she got pregnant 3 months after the wedding? Otherwise this was definitely a shotgun wedding.
@@hydra70 That would actually make more sense with the dating and engagement period, you make a good point.
Try is is why most young marriages end in divorce. These young women being convinced by men that getting married as young as possible is ideal, while men who are older being told that it’s ideal for them to marry when they’re older and more established…. They want women to give up their entire life and dreams for some scrote.
@@hydra70 the way Tyler phrased it was a little confusing but from the article, it said 3 months after the wedding she became pregnant. So she gave birth around their first wedding anniversary
Religion
This is soooo depressing that this is the reality of millions of modern women
right??
As someone who got out of a mentally and emotionally abusive marriage, she is most certainly being controlled. Whether she's okay with that is something only she knows, but that man has absolutely been calling the shots on her life since he met her.
I feel like there’s no possible way she’s actually happy in that existence.. I mean, he locked her down after one month of dating and before she knew it they were married with a kid. And then he turned her whole life around from her literal hopes and dreams.
There’s no way she’s happy. Her life is only for him to use at this point.
That last part is true. He owns all of Ballerina Farm even though she’s the face of it.
I pray that she gets to save & control the money she makes as an influencer because otherwise, she's working 24/7 for room and board and will have nothing if he ever leaves her.
Being that they’re mega Mormon, that’s exactly the trajectory they’re on.
It likely goes into a joint account. Doubt he would let her have a personal one.
I think (speculation) she has a really good case for alimony if they do split, since he stalked her and she literally gave up her career for him.
Showing the journalist the rotation and stuff when she is clearly not interested was weirdly something that really stuck me in the article. I’ve met that kind of guy, who has a trapped audience and instead of respecting the person enough to allow them to get back to their task monopolises their time. They do often seem to do this to women (but maybe that’s just my experience as a woman) and they often seem to be men who are power seekers.
Soooo true
Absolutely. He probably just didn't want to leave his wife alone with the journalist for a second, so she couldn't say anything more. He was intentionally keeping her too busy to do that interview properly, even though he didn't even have a good excuse, I mean "let my wife handle the children and I will show you a ditch on our property" doesn't seem very compelling. He didn't have anything interesting to show to that journalist, he just didn't want his wife to have an opportunity to speak up without his oversight.
Nobody needs 8 children. NOBODY. It’s impossible to take proper care of them without help. People in the “good old days” had 10+ children because they expected 8 of them to die before even leaving the toddler years. Jesus…this is pure insanity.
Its a little more complex then that. People also didn't have access to birth control and some people had kids to help their family businesses.
@@katieh1752yup, and let’s be honest, most men didn’t care to get their wives pregnant, regardless if they consented to it or not. I don’t think any man truly loves a woman if he’s willing to get her pregnant over and over and over again, with no consideration to how dangerous and taxing pregnancy and birth can be on our bodies. It’s disgusting quite frankly.
Sorry but when you quote the good old days, that song pop in my head.
@@katieh1752 you are right, and this family is doing exactly this, in the modern days. This whole “ask God about it” just deeply upsets me, and the kids are essentially props to their videos. I wish it’s not going to be the 8 passanger situation all over again
@@Robohead-z6z lol sorry 😂
8 kids, damn. Get him off her, grab her gowns, and take her to the safehouse lmao
Her SIL has 10.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809😧😧
😅 I wish being a SAHM was as glamorous, beautiful, and quiet as tradwifes make it look.
Imagine how much they cut out of the videos 😭
I'm not even a mom but I live with a 5 year old and sometimes I wish for like 2 minutes of no questions or not telling me stories and following me around, but I if I tried to do it I would have to cut 98% of the footage, because the child would be telling me something.
"It's like being mad at an Olympian for running too fast because they're 'setting unrealistic expectations'." LOL
The way they met is 🚩🚩🚩🚩 I grew up privileged conservative (muslim but tbh that’s just mormon but brown). And i sensed this rich boy trap and I see all my friends sell their hopes and dreams for a family life. I really think your take is 100% accurate.
This whole situation reeks of poorly disguised slavery... "cottage-core" slavery.
Don't forget that she doesnt have a car. She is literally trapped on the farm. Yikes 😢
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I would leave on foot if needed. Anything just to get away.
This is very much not slavery. To use that word in the context of an American woman is especially belittling to the actual slavery America contributed to Jfc
She chose him and can legally leave him.
Indentured servitude, but make it cute!
@@no.6377 Idk, I feel like you aren't taking important details into consideration. I'll try to explain why I said what I said
1. A house slave is still a slave. Slavery doesn't only look like working out in fields and being routinely beaten. Not to minimize such horrors. But we have to be honest about other forms of slavery such as sexual slavery and indentured servitude. When a person is forced into labor, held hostage, and disempowered (financially, educationally) so that they can never leave--you have a slavery situation.
2. If a person is stalked and harrassed until she complies, that is not freedom of choice. She told him no for 6 mos and he refused to take no for an answer. And he used his financial power to pester/emotionally badger her into compliance through stalking and harassment.
3. He has trapped her with him by impregnating her with so many children in such quick succession. He will always have access to her. And she may never be able to afford so many children on her own. Which means that leaving for her may also mean abandoning most or all of her babies.
4. He won't allow her nannies or daily maids, which keeps her exhausted. Not to mention her work on the farm...
5. He controls the finances. Why can't she buy a car or her own ticket to Greece...?
6. He controls her medical decisions and doesnt seem to care about her pain (no epidurals allowed??).
7. He controls who she can and cannot talk to. She isn't allowed to even speak with the mailman.
As for the journalist, he hovers around her for the entire interview and answers half of the questions for her.
It's almost like he is afraid of what she might reveal if she speaks to someone alone [like the fact that he ensures her births as painful as possible].
8. Also, because he holds the financial power in the relationship, fighting him in court would be difficult. Lawyers and legal battles cost money.
9. He has shown her that she cannot run from him--not easily anyway.
Him jumping on a plane and arranging to have the seat next to her is intimidation and stalking.
10. He whisked her down to a foreign country where she couldn't speak the language while she was pregnant and kept her there for years.
11. He cut her career ($$$) off at the knees before it could really get off the ground. I would be interested to know if she has any control over the money she makes from Ballerina Farm... he seems to call all the shots so I'm skeptical.
"She can just leave," sounds nice in theory.
But you have to take her financial vulnerability and children into account.
You have to consider her lack of education courtesy of her husband and the gap on her resume (no education, no skills, no experience, years away from ballet).
Most importantly, you have to be honest about the husband's controlling, isolating, and stalking behaviors--and what these behaviors imply.
I wonder what he said to her on that plane to make her go from a hard and sustained no, to "let's get engaged, married, and pregnant all within a year. Oh and I'll forget about Juilliard and everything I have worked for."
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he threatened her family or her life or some ish while on that 5 hour plane ride.
For all those reasons, I stand by what I said: Cottage-core slavery
These kind of relationships are so weird to me because my parents had four kids and my dad was the stay at home parent for several years while my mom worked- he did the dishes, he did the cleaning, he did the laundry, he did the grocery shopping. and then when my younger siblings were old enough to go to school and we were going through a financial rough patch he went back to work and it wasn't like his duties stopped because of that. He just now had to work a job and split the duties with my mother who was also working full time. I never understand a family where the parents are not splitting work evenly or there is a decision that just because the mom is the mom, she has to do everything. My parents were also feminist, so maybe that had a lot to do with it.
R they still together
@mikw2026 they passed away bur yeah they were happily married for 45 years
Your parents seem to have been pretty awesome people, I'm sorry for your loss.
My dad did a lot more around the house than most men. My mom had some health issues and physically couldn’t do as much.
Then I married a man whose parents had very traditional roles. He expected me to do things just like his mom. I was so confused and hurt by his controlling attitude! It took years to work through it and I still do 90% of the inside stuff and he does 99% of the outside stuff. 🤷🏼♀️
baby braeighleyign is so cute~~ please share more personal information about her.
@@emersongrace4815 so excited to broadcast her potty training
@@tylerbenderr I left a snarky comment thirty seconds in but holy FUCK that article is good. A24 are taking notes lol
i personally know someone named that but spelt “braeelynne” 😭
@ilikemarvel4 funny enough I know three “Breelins” all spelt differently
Home births are the norm outside of the US and there’s nothing wrong with them if a trained/qualified medical professional attends the birth AND if it’s a low risk birth…I gave birth in a birthing center with midwives…they were constantly checking the baby’s heartbeat, gave me a shot of pitocin to stop any bleeding and then stitched me up with pain meds after I tore…my midwife also had a working relationship with an OBGYN at a local hospital, who I met with before the birth in case there was any complications…there is a way to give birth safely outside of a hospital, but it has to be under the right circumstances 🙏🏼
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂
Home births are not the norm in Europe either. May I ask where are you from?
This is not true. Most women give birth in the hospital no matter where they’re from.
Most women give birth in a hospital regardless of where they’re from, so not sure where you got your info from.
The norm? 😂
Home births are not the norm anywhere with widespread medical care, for a reason.
21:18 On Daniel about planned pregnancies "God is it time to bring another life to earth?" "I've never been told No".
What about the wife? Have you ever asked her if she's ready to bear another child for 9 months while taking care of your other children? 😢
Who the eff cares what the wife wants? A husband is a woman's lord and master, she should be grateful he's giving her so many blessings! /s
@@joannachen76I literally read a comment like that on this same video that was 100% serious but worded a little differently
More of a passive aggressive threat, wtf is wrong with people 💀 what kinda drugs are they on to fry their brains like this, cavemen were more civil and humain
"ive never been told no" like theres some kind of cap or limit to how many kids one person can make thats decided by god and not controllable by you, like its supposed to be a bit of a joke but people really be having tons of kids "just because" lolol
For real, I'm pregnant with my first baby right now and I have NO idea how someone could do this 8 times, it's brutal
It’s so sad that your friends can’t bring themselves to call themselves feminists. I’m an elder millennial and I can’t imagine any one of my friends, even when I was your age, shunning feminism. My parents are both boomers and were very much feminists, allies, and totally accepting. The older I get the larger chasm I see between white and black boomers when it comes to ideologies and what they even remember about the period of time when varied human rights were being fought for. My dad who was born in ‘47 passed over a decade ago and I’m glad he did not have to witness what is happening in this country right now. He lived long enough to see the first black president at least.
Have you ever seen the show Big Love? They had a very interesting look into the way Mormonism interacts with feminism which Jeanne Triplehorn played beautifully
I didn't know who she was until I watched Jordan and McKay's video about her. This video adds some more context to it for me. I don't know. I think it's sad. She essentially got stalked and kinda worn down by this guy before she got a chance to even know who she is and now she's stuck with him with 8 kids while he takes every piece of her and of course he doesn't care because the entire thing benefits him. If someone did this in different context, it would be labour trafficking, but when it's your wife, it's ok.
@@sunflowerlovesbeesboth of their families are big, he has 9 siblings, and so does she, I think her sister have 10 or 11 children by now, they are mormon, and having a lot of children is expected, it's complicated.
@@bluester7177 oh thank you for explaining sis.. I didn’t think a large family was part of Mormonism
The question I keep having is, was Hannah ever a real ballerina outside of the Julliard school? The name of the farm is the ONLY thing she has. the husband won't even build her a place to do ballet a tiny bit, She's trapped and can't even enjoy the one thing she loved outside of 'family'. The egg collector apron instead of the trip to Greece was so sad. I think Baby trapping is to be used here too. within the span of 6 months they were dating, married, and had a kid ?? Hold on it takes 9 months for a baby HOW is it that 3 months after the wedding the first child was born, unless a preemee.
Hannah’s husband owns BF including the name. She’s just the face of BF.
As a childfree who only actually realized this in a conscious way in her late twenties, baby math is something I am only just now realizing is something I’ve never done. Never even occurred to me, probably because in the back of my mind I was always pumping the brakes. Wonder what other serious life equations have never occurred to me 🤔
You need to make "this is why we science" shirts.
Omg those would go so hard
I would actually buy that. That sounds amazing.
@@tylerbenderr Do it. We could always use more sassy science shirts!
I like how you had the bonnet laying around. The flight thing is pretty creepy.
Ofc i do 😍 always comes in handy
Yes!!! It was giving Redeye!!!!if a strange person was following me on a plane to pursue me romantically I would be ready to push them out of the emergency exit
It almost reads as a threat to me. "No matter where you go, I have the resources to find and follow you. Comply."
"We science'd because things suck!" That's merch! 😂
Someone FINALLY recognized the unequal division of labor and the parentification in that paragraph! That paragraph was the biggest "alarm bells" moment for me, but so many other commentary youtubers just gloss over it.
You are fairly unique on this subject cause you’re young, present in quite a typical feminine way, and grew up in peak trad wife culture. So it’s difficult for you to be discounted the stereotypical way - ‘hit the wall’ ‘bitter’ ‘liberal influence’.
Exactly why I like to comment on these scenarios. I
Thank u
what do you mean present in a "feminine way"???
Can we talk about how *wild* that room setup is?
It's actually so crazy that I kind of love it
@@Deltarious HAHAHAHA WHAT SHOULD I DO ✋😭😂
@@tylerbenderr Change nothing lmao, embrace the scuff, it already fits your baking vibe and lets just say I find it *highly relatable* as I think a lotta people's setups aren't so different
@@Deltarious making the most of my 300 sq ft apartment 😍😍
@@tylerbenderr Bless you. Was it warm? You have an aspirational glow :)
@@tylerbenderr idk what ceiling height you have but a loft bed might be a an option? Then it can be made kinda private with drapes or something and the space underneath can be used as well
That girl Alice is with her baby Fern is now a “recovered” trad wife after getting a divorce. It’s really sad how abusive a lot of these situations are behind the scenes.
I really appreciate how empathetic you are. I'm reluctant to form an opinion until I hear a few more takes. On the one hand, she chose this life, on the other hand, many people took out student loans at her age that they regret. I can see how you can wake up one day when you're older and wiser and suddenly realize you're trapped or that this isn't the dream after all.
I just learned she wanted tickets to Greece for her birthday and this horrible man got her an apron instead. WTF?! Still waiting for it to be a joke and he'll surprise her in another video but.... yikes!
Curious to know if she has (is allowed to have?) a separate bank account for her social media income.
I mean what’s really worse? Student loans with freedom, or no student loans, but you’re at the mercy of your husband and you and your kids are in deep doo doo if he passes, divorces, or becomes disabled. This lifestyle is incredibly risky and ripe with abuse.
Re the “I have to get pregnant yesterday” comment; depending on individual health risks and factors, you can have children in your late 30s. Your uterus doesn’t expire on your 35th bday. You have time ❤
I had my first at 35. On my 2nd now.
i read that article from the times, a couple days ago, it was so sad, I never really knew much about them before that tho.
It's been so interesting to watch all this go down!
@@tylerbenderr yeah! Love your takes btw!
The few videos shes posted of her practicing on the barre at dawn before everyone else wakes up are so sad
Imma need a 3hr fundie Fridays video on this woman
There is something so awful about the idea, you have to do everything by age 40. Not just kids and family but also careers. It’s like we expect women to disappear at middle age.
I feel so bad for tradwives
same- it's wild
I don’t. They chose that lifestyle.
@@andie7041a lot of them are brainwashed by Mormon culture
@andie7041 but they didnt really, usually they're indoctrinated by their family and the culture around them from birth
Kind of hard to choose when you’re coerced or indoctrinated into those beliefs
The fact that the husband doesn't want any "outside help" brings up major red flags for me!
Yet they have tons of help they have teachers for the homeschooling they have a housekeeper they have a babysitter for date night and they have tons of help on the ranch
No Nannies, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have cleaners, gardeners, PAs and ranch help. Or outsource most video production.
As another ex Mormon, this is the best video on this article. Yes we’re both kind of biased but I also used to be ultra conservative and now I’m much more feminist than I’ve ever been.
What most of the people who claim this article is “biased” they’re also biased about women and don’t understand the LDS church.
I moved to LA at 21 to pursue acting and all of my family’s friends acted like I was going to hell. 😂
That's insane. Are you not allowed back then to leave the state? 😬
@@cosmicgalaxystudio1539 no you are lol
I read the article and hoped you would talked about this!!!!!! The part were she whispered that she had an epidural when her husband wasn’t there and it was great was so sad! The whole thing feels like a weird thriller novel!
I'm so relieved to be child free by choice. That's the thought that ran through my head throughout this entire video.
It's possible to be a mother and not have all your dreams shat upon. You just need to not have them with this lady's douchebag husband.
Love your contents on trad wives... You are the only one who speak the truth about them without mellowing anything... These kind of contents require harsh criticism
Thanks 4 watching!!
Heres why i don't think its a hit piece. Someone tried doing a hit piece on brandon Sanderson. Thats what a hit piece with no basis looks like. For those who don't want to go read it. Sanderson showed him stuff like his movie theater and introduced him to his family, and it was clear he was trying to find a crappy angle for everything.
This author probably had an agenda but the ballerina farm stuff is also sus af and i hope hannah gets out
People saying that she’s too smart to not be in on it reminds me of what my sister said after breaking up with abusive bf of 2 years “I kept thinking I was too smart to be abused”
Thing about the raw milk: one of the common pathogens in raw milk is listetia monocytogenes, which is a food borne pathogen that usually doesn't affect us...unless you're pregnant. On the off chance you get it, and if you're pregnant, it's a 99% chance of miscarriage or still birth, etc. idk where they get their milk, but that farmer either is super meticulous about sanitation (of both equipment and the cow's tits) or Hannah doesn't drink it while pregnant.
What about bovine tuberculosis?
They have their own cows
she was a year away from her dream and he love bombed her out of it......Juilliard....... maybe she thought she would fail and just gave up....sad
Yea she wanted to at least graduate before marriage and he wasnt having it, this is awful
And then to name the farm/business after her sidelined aspirations
This is the only commentary channel that should be allowed to exist.
Y’all gas meeeee
I’m an active member of the church, consider myself a feminist, have been a working mom for 9 years (though currently stopped to do a masters), and do not support tradwives. I do not lump her in with them. A couple thoughts:
1) there are definitely cringey things in this piece
2) there is definitely bias in this piece
3) I’m team epidural. Many women aren’t and choose medication free births for reasons I totally respect. But anyone who has done natural and then got an epidural and didn’t feel it would probably tell you it was amazing. Even if they went on to more births with no meds. Oh I didn’t feel all that tearing? Of course it was amazing! But they have their reasons. Doesn’t mean he forced her.
4) she’s smart. She isn’t pushy. She’s selling her business, but she isn’t gross about it. She was raised by hard working parents and works hard herself. Shes done plenty of interviews, why would she suddenly “slip” and finally tell the world how oppressed she is? The author totally misrepresented her. She doesn’t comment on the drama that surrounds her on social media, but she did post a video in response to this article. I think she was probably like wtf when she read it.
5) people hate them because they’re rich. God forbid people have money! People look for reasons to knock this family. It’s sad.
I have PLENTY of commentary on sexism in the church and how women have been lead to not reach their potential outside of family life, and I have a lot to say about him pushing for marriage and kids how it’s portrayed he did, BUT I also think there is a lot of undeserved hate for them.
Tyler the joy I got seeing the thumbnail of you with bonnet and baby... indescribable
😎😎😎 the way God intended
Can I just say, that can also be one way to tell if a farm is a hobby farm or a regular farm - on a regular farm, usually they'll sell primarily grain, livestock, vegetables, dairy, or chicken, and they won't really convert it into anything further. They let food manufacturers do that, for the most part. If you get bacon from a big farm directly, the odds are high that you're buying it right from the person you know who runs the farm. If the farm is selling bacon, steaks, or bread directly to the consumer as its main form of income, it's a good chance that the farm is more of a hobby farm.
I don't know about her motivations for how she acted in the interview, but her husband doesn't come over well, that's for sure.
As someone who has had her words twisted by media, the truth is somewhere in there however I don't believe the whole article. Journos are notorious for putting words (never said) in the mouths of the subjects they're featuring and there's definitely going to be biases - the editor, journo, etc all influencing it. I have two words: media literacy. The whole internet needs a damn class in it.
I love the fake baby 😂
thank you, what should we name it
@@tylerbenderrFrancisco for sure
@@tylerbenderr oh my gosh I am such a big fan! I think whatever we name it should incorporate trad into the name like Traddison or something like that.
Have you seen Alyssa Grenfell's video about mormon influencers? Makes me think anything we see is far more manipulative and curated than the average influencer.
It is. There are other videos that point out certain wording and filming techniques they use to signal what “good” Mormons they are, and I can’t unsee it. It’s all fake.
As someone who has spent a lot of time listening to birth stories it is very common for women to get an epidural when their husband isn’t there because they are lacking needed support during their labour. Even some of the biggest proponents of unmediated births have opted for an epidural when their spouse wasn’t with them during labour because labour is hard and vulnerable and most women need support to do it unmedicated. To me that was the intuitive read on the situation. It is literally the framing of the author that makes it seem like a hush hush secret from Daniel and as if he is forcing her to birth at home without an epidural. There were some interesting points the article brought to light but the epidural one seemed like made up drama the author was trying to stir up.
Get real. Women supporting women means supporting the ones that choose to stay home and raise a family. Do better
I never really thought about this perspective before regarding why she said what she did. Considering that she married into a wealthy family, getting a divorce could make her life a living heck. Maybe her way of showing that she was pressured into the marriage, and now she wants her freedom. It seems like she may be thinking about divorce, wanting to take the kids with her, and seeking child support and alimony. Or she's thinking about money. 🤷🏾♀
Hannah comes from a wealthy family herself and all her siblings married wealthy as well. She lied about being poor in her earlier videos. Either way Hannah will be fine if she divorces.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809not really, she is mormon, they can get shunned, she could lose custody to her children, her family seems to have the same values as her husband, it's not that simple when they are fundie.
Okay first video of yours I’ve seen and I loooooove you 🤣 The outfit, the baby, the drama, the voices, the editing, fantastic. A+
You should consider making an update video since the journalist has been called out for lying.
What lies? Where's your evidence for that comment?