Intel i7-7700K Revisit: Benchmark vs. 9700K, 2700, 9900K, & More
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- We're revisiting the Intel i7-7700K, which feels a whole lot older than it is given the pace of Intel's product launches. This benchmark comes in at the end of 2018 to compare against the 9700K, 8700K, et al.
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The Intel i7-7700K got the short straw when Intel was drawing for products, launching in January of 2017 and being superseded just 9 months later by the objectively and notably superior i7-8700K. The 7700K was still a strong overclocker, so we wanted to revisit this CPU with a 5.1 and 5.0GHz OC applied (depending on test) to see how it benchmarks versus the i7-8700K, 9700K, 9900K, R7 2700, and more.
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intel made the 9900k an i9 and increased the price to offset the larger size. and then you have to make the i7 an 8 core 8 thread part. but i think they should have just dropped the igpu. then the 9900k would actually be a bit smaller than the 8700k. then sell the 9900k as an i7. but then you cant bin from xeon w stock and all that. intel really need to move the igpu off die and make the new i7 an 8 core with 16 threads at least and just sell a version with an igpu. or better yet a 10 core with no igpu but i bet that will be the new i9. if intel went i7 10 core with no igpu and charged current i7 prices (and i think they could) that would steal the show in my mind
why have the 2700k on the chart and not a 5930k or 5820k? or like the nice 6850k
Guys I'm hoping that I will not annoy you to death, but I suggested a chart redesign concept couple of times. Seems that my last comment containing direct links to PNG files on imgur was hidden. Previously I've sent them via e-mail like half a year ago with no response. Have you ever seen them? If not is there any ways to share those concepts with you?
hi, you wouldnt happen to have an old (working)i7 4790k lying about would u? :P
@Ivy Nat Same size, but one is autographed.
I'm still rocking a 7700K in my system. Good but hot chip. I regret buying this because 2 days after it arrived, the 8700K launched.
Great video anyways, made me thinks that the 7700K is less obsolete than I was thinking.
Try tuning your voltage. My mobo's 'auto' setting was running my 7700k ~10C hotter than it needed to be completely stable at stock clocks. It decided 1.32v or something was good where 1.25 has was perfect since I noticed. I now run a conservative 4.8Ghz OC at the voltages my mobo was using for base clocks.
yeah its still a good cpu. and its too bad about missing out on the 8700k but i was in computers back in the 90's and that happened almost every year to 2 years. gaurenteed. a 3 year old computer was basicaly useless back then. so it could be worse
@@17Codiferus I did it. Running 1.128v stock.
74 at maximum in a beQuiet Dark Rock Slim.
That CPU cooler limits my overclock potential as you can see xD
@Shades yeah liquid metal does miracles for these pasted cpus. i actually perfer pasted cpus cause they are so easy to delid. did mine with a shaving razor in about 30 seconds. if you know how to do it and are careful its fairly easy
@Nelly D Gamer lol. I feel your pain too
But we can still play some games whitout getting problems related to CPU power, which is nice!
I cant wait for your CES coverage
Feed me Ryzen 3000 pls, i really want to upgrade my i7 3770.
Hold on to it :) I'm on same boat with 3770k and waiting for upgrade. Was close to buy 9700k but after AMD 3 series leaks i decided to wait also. Good times ahed.
@@supremeboy Wait for sunny cove
7700k here, delidded, liquid metal on die, and ihs/cooler. 5.1Ghz Stable, on Coolermaster Hyper212 with one fan. 1.414v vcore. 0 AVX offset!
Lol that vcore, and, a h212 can handle that? Wow
@@silverwerewolf975 At 110C maybe
did the same thing, but mine is running at 1.425v around 50-60°c while gaming. it is incredible what liquid metal can do!
And here mine can only do 4.8Ghz on 1.450v. I got a potato, just like my 3570k was.
Silver Werewolf Maybe that LM is doing some serious stuff for thermals. I’m still surprised that people buy hyper 212’s when they’re such a pain in the arse to install
Those CPUs have seen better days.
So much thermal paste...
@@dos1809 They get tested dozens of times a year!
looks like robot spooge
Im sure you could've done a better job cleaning them though
@@Garrzilla Im sure they leave them like that because people lose their minds lol
As a 7700k owner I have no regrets, it's about your personal circumstances, when you want to build a PC and I think the most important item should be the GPU, the pricing, availability and use case. I bought a 7700k and a 1080ti and run at 1440p UW, so I feel the CPU gains of the 8700k or 9900k for me personally, give me little buyers remorse because I prefer image quality and FPS above 60 but I'm not interested above 120 FPS. Still love the look back Steve as it has functionally been 2 years since the 7700k launched.
yep my 6700k is still going strong with my 1070 and i have no regrets either
1440p uw is life, im running a similar setup with a 100hz panel. If the asua 200hz panel the announced over a year ago ever is released ill think about upgrading.
my pentium 4 still going strong, no ragrets!
Damn, almost 2 years ago i bought my 7700K, time goes by FAST.
Still using good old i7 6700k......
i5-3550 :))))
same, did you win the silicon lottery? mine won't go past 4.6.
@@meshlol Mine is crap, needs at least 1.25 volts to run STOCK
6700k here can go 4.8 but using 4.6 everyday atm coz my gpu is 2low to make my cpu run even 80% load ;/ r9 290 even with oc only 15k gpu score in firestrike but waiting for next gens amd/nvidia
@@williamcricket7931 i get 4.6 at 1.15v, won't even boot if i try higher, regardless of voltage.
Ill just keep running my i7 4790k works just fine!
Same here bro not going to upgrade even without overclocking this beast is still rock solid when it comes to gaming
If you are still running a GTX 1070 or lower, there is really no reason to upgrade. Even a GTX 1080 @ 1440p does not warrant an upgrade yet in most games. When the time comes to get a new GPU, Ryzen may have something with higher clock speeds and there will be plenty to choose from on the Intel side of things as well.
It's still beter then ryzen
@@Taurus_Play N o its really Not. the i7 4790k is a really good cpu sure. i have one. but the ryzen 2700x has decrease my rendering times by ALOT and for vm's the 8 core is gold sure when overclock the 4790k gets better fps. but ryzen is better in everything else. hell not just ryzen any cpu with more then 4 cores.
@@donjames5761 who da fuck cares about render ?
Weird watching this at July 2020, I'm still able to play AAA games with a RX1080 at 1440 very well.
bought my 7700k early February 2017, delidded it and set to to 5ghz 1.35v paired with a 1080 at 2126mhz at 1440p havant regretted it yet.
i'm running a 6700k paired with a titan xp, pushing a 3440x1440 100hz panel, everything still runs on ultra.
Got mine in March of 2017: Running the 7700k at 4.8Ghz at 1.28v paired with a 1080Ti at 144Hz 1440p every game on ULTRA with G-Sync. No ragrets.
Its nothing to regret, upgrading every year is just plain stupid... 7700k and a 1070 will game 1440p60 ultra settings quite a few more years...
same here but zen+ looks promising
8:25 isn't this chart supposed to show the 7700k? Instead is the 7900x that's being highlighted and compared...
(if im wrong on this one just ignore this comment)
Should be the 7700K, thanks. The 7700K is still on the chart, look just below the 7900X. Wrong one got highlighted in editing.
Gamers Nexus so the editor IS human? (/s)
@@maxxtheender At this time, he might already be catfood :(
Good spot on your part. Happens at the 15:30 Ishl mark in the video but you can still see data on the i7 7700k
I will enjoy my i5 2500k for a bit more. :) Its the oldest part of my computer, i guess with the ram and MOBO, but once i do a new upgrade.. it will probably be a huge one. Its gonna be exactly 10 years between upgrades, so the fps gain and time to render videos.. will be sick.
Lets hope next year we get even better CPU's from both AMD and Intel. It might be the year to upgrade finally. Cuz now the distance between 7700/8700 is not that huge and the 9900 is too expensive. Never buy tech that costs an arm, because it will just cost much less a year down the road. Which brings us to 2019 or 20. I cant freaking wait.
Speaking of 2019, happy new year EVERYONE! :)
It is 2022 and I just upgraded from i7 6700 to i7 7700k and 2080 TI... I just decided it's not enough and bought a used i7 9700k. I'm a content creator and feel better about my decision after seeing this vid :) Thanks.
I really prefer that when it comes to graphs there should be a "stock" graph and an "oc'd" graph. It looks really busy as one whole graph. I get that I can pause the video but it's still a hassle to sift through the graph.
It's interesting that my 7700k I bought 2 years ago is still holding its value on the open market pretty much at the same price I bought as new, while my Ryzen 1600 also bought 2 years ago has gone down in value by half...
i upgraded from a q6600 to the 7700k and i do think its gonna be good for quite a big while :D
i upgraded from 2500K to 7700K and that was a huge jump, q6600? holy crap lol
the q6600 is not that bad ... i overclocked it to stable 3,6 ghz on water and it held up quite well enough to play almost any game ... but i was sure that it bottlenecked almost anything of my system :D so i decided to upgrade a little now i have a 7700k as said and a gtx 980 ti lightning
lmao This just in
4 cores is outdated starting January 1st 2019 00:01
HA I still have an e8400 clocked at 3.6 as a stand up computer in the corner... runs well. I went to a 2500k after it and instead of upgrading, I bought a second one super cheap and still use both, with much newer GPUs etc. Both running at 4.8 from day one. If AMD come through with the goodies this year, I will finally upgrade :-).
depends if the Ryzen 3000 leaks prove real and not total bullshit.
For a PC used mostly for gaming (not streaming), any Sandy Bridge or newer i7 with a decent overclock is still plenty.
Agreed. Games are more GPU intensive now.
Truth, aspecially with 1440p or 4K, really only makes a difference at 1080p, Even then the your still better off spending big in gpu, if you want fast desktop processes than go AMD
This is so wrong, my 4790k was bottlenecking my 2080ti at 4k in cpu intensive games.
That's not framerate bottlenecking, that's overtaxing your CPU, any CPU can be overtaxed, IE... if you play 8 player unlimited units on supreme commander, you can put so many AI on the field it would lock up even a 7980XE, that's a different process, the AI runs logic against your processor for every single NPC on the field, overloading the logical processors (smt) on your CPU. Framerate bottlenecks happen when your GPU request frame information from your CPU and the time your CPU take to deliver the frame is much slower than the GPU time to render the frame.
@@faffabout9412 I mean, you can explain it however you want but my 4790k was limiting my frames at the end of the day. I upgraded to a 9700k and saw instant gains and lower cpu usage. Upgrading from 4790k was definitely worth it to me.
The Intel Core i7 4790k is still holding it's own in games no bottleneck for me with my 4790k @ 4.4ghz all cores & 16GB 2400mhz DDR3 ram! =^_^=
It will be fine until game engines start fully utilizing 6-8 core CPUs more fully.
yep
anyone else bothered by the mess of thermal paste on the spreaders of all the CPUS?
These things see a lot of use. They get cleaned for testing, but otherwise, the grunge looks cooler in broll than "shiny.'
Massively!
No. Grow up and get over it
G N is so so good at trolling with thermal paste it's almost griefing at this point 😂
@@joannaatkins822 Yeah they clearly did it on purpose, like the time they used an entire tube of paste on a CPU, nothing a little bit of rubbing alcohol can't cure.
the 7700k is fantastic , they took the 2 from the 2700k and crossed out the 2 and put a 7 in its place :)
I remember getting my 7700k then a month later the 8700k released. At least I got my 7700k for $280
Same
Yeah I got a great deal at microcenter. Got Mobo and 7700k for like $300. Was great price at the time. It does everything I need perfectly.
same... but then again, GPU prices skyrocketed when 8700 was released.
Got my 2700x for $280 but I kinda wish I went with an 8700k/9700k because they are way ahead in FPS on those charts but I only have a GTX 1080 anyways.
Nara Kion What Monitor are you using?
I think you should go back to the 4770k just to see how well it performs nowadays.
Still using a 4770 non k
With no problems at all
Might upgrade in 3-4 years XD
@@pyrotechnick420 It's still a very strong CPU, I do think, when it's paired with anything abouve a 980ti, it has a bit of trouble keeping up.
@@pyrotechnick420 in my case I got my 4770k to 4.4ghz to reduce the bottleneck of my 1080 and trying to maximize my fps at 1080p and 1440p. I'm just so particular about my fps, and I probably shouldn't be lol
It's the same as the 4790k but with different TIM on the package and less stringent binning. The silicon is exactly the same as the 4790k. The main difference is with overclocking as (depending on your lottery luck) the 4790k will do marginally better. I still have my 4790k, which is sitting on 4.7GHz on stock voltage with a noctua NH-D14 air cooler and runs < 70c at load.
@@pyrotechnick420I figured as much, I'll be upgrading to an 8700k in February or late January, hopefully the gains from that upgrade from a 4th gen to an 8th gen would be worth the more noticeable when paired with my 1080.
I got my 7700k a few months after launch, and while I was peeved at the 8700k popping up out of nowhere, I never regerted it. It was still a huge upgrade from my old Phenom II. I plan on holding onto it for at least another two cycles, barring any unforeseeable leaps in gaming demands.
Still rocking my x5675 at 4.6ghz, still performs solidly on 2018 games, still holding out for it to be completely obsolete
My 7700k will hit 5.1 I bought it from silicon lottery and delided. I run a every day OC of 4.8 and it's under water. I have no plans of a upgrade anytime soon. Oo 1070ti.
Same here with the every day OC of 4.8Ghz in a push/pull config. Haven't delid mine though.
you paid extra for a guaranteed stable 5.1 chip to run it at 4.8? why bother? Stats listed say 100% can hit 4.8, while only 24% hit 5.1.
@@MrHerronius Because running 5.1Ghz constantly is not good being it's near TJ Max at all times even with water, delid or not. You're shortening it's life cycle by more than half at a constant 5.1Ghz.
@@MrHerroniusI bought it for the delid and also for the peace of mind their great warranty offers. The chip its self was sent to them directly from newegg so i had no idea it would hit 5.1 at the time of purchase sir.
I just got lucky!
I'm rocking a 7700K Delidded OC'd to 5.2Ghz paired with the 2080Ti and I honestly can't notice a bottleneck. I'm gonna hold off until Intel releases their new new chips.
And i'm here with my i7-975 watching TH-cam videos.
I've still got my 4930k. Not as old as the original i7, but still basically a die shrunk Sandy Bridge E.
@@Jtretta I'll keep my old Bloomfield and ATI 5870 PC for YT and such stuff but i can't wait for my new beast. Almost finished, just some small things and the custom waterloop left.
@@Jtretta im on a X79 to i7 4820k,im actually buying a 4930K next week
@@danhulson8703 Good value for the price these days. 6 cores, 4 channel RAM, 40 PCIe channels. My CPU holds steady at an all-core 4.2GHz, so it's no slouch, and I haven't seen it bottleneck my 1080s at 4k. Sure newer chips are faster, but it has served me well for 5 years now and is still useful.
@@Jtretta yes i took the plunge recently,The thing is my i7 2600k with a Asus P8Z68 V Pro being a sought after chip and motherboard covered me on a entry level Gigabyte X79 and a i7 4820k,i can see these being a beloved thing in the future like X58 buy a crap Chinese motherboard and a i7 3820 and have change out of £100.as i stated next week im getting a I7 4930k but was also considering a Sandy bridge E i7 3930k as there cheap now too
Glad to see this video! I have mine at 14% overclock teamed up with a pair of 1080 TI as my gaming rig
the only thing bad about the 7700k is having to buy a new motherboard if i ever do need to upgrade my cpu, have to buy both the cpu and mobo at the same time...again
Its really terrible... especially considering the sicket for the 8th ang 9th gen is identical... i have a asus maximus iv apex mobo tbat i spent an arm and a leg on when i got my 7700k and now i have to sell it off if i want to go beyond 4cores... i think when i do upgrade, i will go to amd because they seem a little better when it comes to newer chips in older mobo's.... i wont be upgrading any time soon, and still love my 7700k, but man, that mobo support is terrible
I'm with y'all, I have an i7-7700k with a b250 motherboard and wanted to overclock. Didn't realize at the time that you can only overclock on Z series boards. Ordered one as well as an i5-9600k, but now I don't know which cpu is better. Will see how my overclocks go this weekend. Hope you guys are alive and well!
Still using mine. Bought in 2017, used every day for almost 6 years. Gaming and working, so it’s both an essential piece of technology for my income and also heavily used for entertainment after work. Using it for software development with very heavy workloads, it’s around 90-100% capped all day long.
Gaming is the same story.
It’s okay today, but it’s on its last legs I think. Been running it water cooled at 5.0 GHz for 6 years.
I'll stick with my 7700k for a few more years, intel decided to screw me forcing me to buy another motherboard if I'd like to upgrade. So i'll wait till DDR5 releases and just get the newest high end ryzen 7 of 2020.
Maybe not 2020, but further in the future
I've got a first revision i7 920, serves me right for early adoption. That aside, its worked quite well for the past 9 years.
Time to upgrade though...
Can we please cover the 2700 using tuned subtimings? There's a massive performance benefit to tuning subtimings with Ryzen, more than any overclocking by an incredible margin. This 7700k revisit is nice and all, but it'd be nice to see some real tweaking related content.
Here, I have evidence for the 2700X, no overclock, and I'm providing the timings. Keep in mind, this is very fast CL14 3200MHz XMP vs. TUNING this XMP profile, and we gain this much, let alone going from running extremely poor timings like 16-18-18, which I think Gamer Nexus may be doing with their Ryzen setup.
Tuned subtimings using 3200MHz Samsung memory:
imgur.com/a/N8VBiLW
Stock CL14 B die performance in Forza Horizon 4:
imgur.com/a/4W449UT
CL14 B die with the provided tuned subtimings:
imgur.com/a/PO5ddqj
For those of us who don't want to click the links:
Stock CL14 3200MHz memory CPU render:
AVG 145
MIN 119
MAX 165
Tuned CL14 3200MHz memory CPU render:
AVG 161
MIN 133
MAX 178
Please cover this.
my R7 1700 @ 3.9ghz with 3200MHZ CL14 are getting better results than the 7700k in this video.
@EJSC as someone who owns BOTH Ryzen and Intel, the amount of money you'll save on the CPU will more then cover the added cost of bumping up to B-die, for the same series RAM B-die is maybe 50-60 bucks more then a 3000 CL16 and maybe 80 more then 2400 CL15, I paid $200 for my 1700 vs $320 for the 6700k, both where bought very near when there replacements where coming out. Sure there is something to be said for the "it just works" mentality of the Intel setup, but if I can SAVE MONEY, get TWICE the core count and not sacrifice gaming performance then i'm all over that shit because gaming isn't the only thing I do with my computers, being able to complete CPU based rendering in a fraction the time is a big deal for my work.
@EJSC ABsolutely agree, however, both x700K are more than 420€ where I live, therefore the 2700X even with CL14 ram turned out to be cheaper than the I7 + cooler. If I was american, I might have chosen the I7
@@DanielRichards644 what's a B die? I can't find decent prices for ram here, 8gb 3000 mhz cl16 is 65€ minimum
@@Natsumi666 B Die is a term used to describe a specific series of memory modules manufactured by Samsung, these B-die modules are well known for there speed and timings so much so that it's basically a guarantee that any 3200 Mhz CL14 ram kit is samsung b-die. I'm also comparing prices of 16GB (2x8GB) kits as 8 GB's is simply not enough ram for a modern non-entry level system and you can't just "shop for the cheapest possible option" when comparing prices you need to compare prices from the same series, like the G. Skill Trident Z RGB RAM and compare the price of the 3,000 Mhz CL16 16GB (8x2) to the 3200 Mhz CL14 16GB (8x2), B-die is king for Ryzen performance because it does the lowest timings at the highest speeds.
i'm still on the i7 4790k. and this lessens my "upgrade-stress" a lot. cause, it shows that i don't really need to upgrade yet ^^
I got the 7700K last December because it was cheaper than the 8700K at the time. This is, of course, before I found out that the 8600K was more powerful than the 7700K, and at an even lower price.
Have a 7700K, running on stock frequencies. Lol. I run a 1440p 144hz display with a GTX1080, and I generally get more than enough frames , so I still can't really justify turning my room into an oven over a dozen frames a second.
I also have the 7700K running stock (Yes yes, I'm not overclocking, but it's still better than having a 7700) with a 1070ti and a 1080p 144hz. Really happy with the CPU :D
have 9900k and 4k 144hz can confirm room is now an oven
@@a36538 I have a warranty that let's me change my parts for whatever reason. It ends in April and I want to switch the motherboard and Processor before the warranty runs out. What should I switch too between a i7 9700k or a i9 9900k? Or maybe a Ryzen chip?
It's a bit of a pain, but deliding my 7700k got me -20c reduction in temps so temps are no issue now for me even when overclocking to 5.0 ghz
@@SpieroMusic Do you notice a great deal of performance? My chip usually sits at 4.5ghz when gaming anyways. If I overclock the chip , it just stays pegged 2 or 300 mghz over turbo. In my games I see next to no gain in performance for some reason. Maybe 5 fps around but the temperatures are significantly higher.
No love for the 6700K :(
Yeah it's not even on the charts unless I missed it.
It's basically the same as the 7700K though. Much like all of Kaby Lake is basically just Skylake
Just imagine it sitting somewhere just below the 7700k and a bit above the 4790k.
The 7700K is 3.2% faster than the 6700K at 1080p
The 7700K is 1.6% faster than the 6700K at 1440p
The 7700K is 0.4% faster than the 6700K at 4K
Source: www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7-7700K_vs_6700K_Game_Performance/25.html
Yeah. It is funny how somehow 6700k never is included even when people are doing very large comparisons. And maybe 7700k is kinda same it still makes me wonder why it is never the other way round (no 7700k but 6700k in a comparison). Clearly a conspiracy...
Still running a 7700k at its factory clock. Its a warm chip but still handles everything I throw at it in 2019. I only game on mine so I plan on keeping it around for another 2 years at most
nice. Happy new year
Still use the 7700k with a 1080ti. No problems. Great CPU.
I bought my 7700k (delidded 4.7GHz on $40 air cooler) in May 2018, after a 5yr build upgrade. Months later when 8700k was announced I was pissed.
if you're not playing on high refresh monitor or with 2080Ti on 1080p you're totally fine. I have my 7700K paired with 1070Ti and GPU has 100% usage in every game I played so far. I will propably change GPU earlier than CPU.
This is good to hear
How is the performance thus far? I am planning to actually buy a 7700k and pair it with my GTX1070ti, since my MOBO only supports a max of the 7700k and could not overclock (ASUS STRIX B250F). I am also planning to buy a 1080p 144hz monitor to finally be able to experience high refresh gaming, I am simply concerned over the possible performance bottlenecks.
@@FlyingEndeavor I have my 7700K overclocked to 4.9GHz but I didn't see much improvement over stock 4.5GHz and it's running pretty hot now. You can get this CPU if you find it for a decent price. It still outperforms every Ryzen and doesn't bottleneck 1070TI in any game
@@patent5421 that is wonderful news :) Thank you for the quick reply. Currently, I only have the i5-7400 equipped in my rig paired with a GTX1070ti, B250F Mobo, 2400Hz 16 GB RAM. My budget was rather short at that time and I went with the best GPU that was available from the store. Right now, I am planning to move to high refresh rate 1080p gaming and I have already started canvassing for good monitors that has 144hz refresh. I am confident that my GPU could handle it, but I am afraid my current CPU might not. Also, is liquid cooling a necessity for the 7700k even if I do not plan to overclock the CPU? Since my MOBO could not handle it anyways.
Steve you spoke right to me man. I have a non-overclocked 7700k (was peaking at 90c and I didnt feel comfortable overclocking without delidding) and I was wondering if nows the time to upgrade. No its not. Thanks my dude. Keep up the great work!!!!
It's kind of funny how seriously I take all of this relevant data, when I'm basically still stuck on an 8350 (FX not i3) with a view to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 in maybe the next six months?
I recently upgraded to the 9600k from the 8350. What a big difference. I don't regret not going with AMD this time and I'm quite happy with it. My last four builds have all been AMD. I haven't used any of the Ryzen CPU's though. I'm really happy AMD is doing great in the CPU market. Hopefully, AMD will have something that can compete with the higher end GPUs for less money. I have an RX 480 that I'm wanting to upgrade so I'm thinking VEGA at least until I see what happens at CES.
Phil Atkins Please don’t. Ryzen will be the biggest mistake of your life.
@@reapz3621
In 6 months the 3600X will probably be around. Why not get that chip?
Andrie Ryzen is an amazing upgrade from Bulldozer. What’s your beef with well price to performance CPU’s? Don’t be a dick.
If you’re waiting six months I would personally see if the 7nm CPU’s AMD has been hinting at have released. If so, go with that as the technological benefits are supposed to be great!
Yes, was a bit annoyed that the 8700k came out weeks after I bought my 7700k but it has still made for a rock solid hackintosh so can't complain.
Hey Steve, why do you run an overclocked 2700 but not a memory tuned one? Why are we playing fiddle to Intel's architectural strengths by only touching CPU clock and not tuning Ryzen in a way that plays to its strengths?
You can leave the 2700X stock with stock fan and spend extra money on faster memory and tune that instead and get better results than your system.
My stock 2700X with b die tuned subtimings is absolutely faster than your overclocked 2700.
Ryzen DRAM calcutator and Karhu Memory Test. Use these two pieces of software to tune a quality pairing of CL14 3200Hz Samsung b die memory. I provided the timings I used in another comment, but you can easily follow what the Ryzen DRAM calculator provides. All the work is done, just plug in the numbers, run a short Karhu test and you should be good to run some benches.
its just like how they left the 2990wx stock while overclocking the intel counterparts
I've got a 7700k a year ago at an online sale with an asus Z270 TUF mark1 for about $390, custom watercooled it and am now running 5.1, 4.7cashe @ 1.355v loving the chip, as it was cheap enough so it gave me the confidance to really play with the clocks (it's my first custom PC and I'm never going back), love the channel all the best HNY!
My poor potato R7 1700.
I was hoping that modern games will leverage the core/thread number but almost 2019 and nope...
i would get double core over 20 fps anyday, just wait xD
Games like recent Battlefield titles and Forza take good advantage of all those cores. Others, not so much. Ryzen chips were never going to beat Intel chips in most games though
You'll always have the feel-good comments tellin you huge gains are just around the corner, like they did with AMD FX in 2012 and how the core count on those would let you walk on water, "just wait till games use X cores next year". 7 years later and a 4 core 2500K still runs circles around any "8 core" FX. Lesser IPC doesn't just vanish.
Lol i have fx 6300 and a gt 640
Well because for years typical gamer had a 4 core CPU at most, so they were designing games for 4 cores.
Hypethreading joined the gameplay so BF1 and few other games started using all 8, now with cheap 6/12 or 8/16 AMD CPUs they should start designing games that will eat all the 16, it will happen at some point for sure, but the thing is if it's worth the wait.
But then avoiding high core count CPUs will only slow the process down.
How in the world have you not reached 1 million subscribers? You are THE best tech reviewer man.
Intel release tons of processors in less than 2 years,,,Shows how formidable Ryzen chips are.
Had my i7-7700k since October 2017, oc to 4.9 @ 1.28v on all cores and being used primarily for games. A delid dropped temps considerably (only after watching linus and steve multiple times gave me confidence it wasn't that scary after all) somewhere in the 10+ degrees celsius. An upgrade won't be on the cards for at least another year. Maybe two. I've been happy with mine with it's performance being married to a 1080Ti matched to a 1440p 144Hz Gsync monitor. Thanks for your content Steve!
So intel trying to sell i5's as a i7... nice price hikes intel...
and i7 as i9!
Bought a 9700k a month ago, runs as cool as chips. Upgraded from a 2500k.
Hell of an upgrade Congrats!
i7 7700k JUST WORKS!
LMAO 4 cores, I got 8700K which is more threads than a 9700K
ihatecrackhead - okay cool but what games need more than 4 cores anyway lol. Like OP said IT JUST WORKS.
@Batou lmao 4 RAM channels, get with the times, 8 core is the fastest in the world, change your name to HighLatencyGaming, even in single player.
High frequency, Low latency, 4 core per channel is in until 2025
@Dex4Sure wrong, price is shit to go down in threads, 9700K should be 9600K and not cost $200 more, it's basically a bulldozer clocked higher
9700K is just a defective 9900K they couldn't enable HT on
@@ihatecrackhead The R7 2700x is better than the i7-9700k with the Price and it also has HT too.
I'm very glad you continue to include the 4790k on these charts as it is doing wonders to inform my decision when upgrading from my 4690k. It would be nice to see that included for direct comparison but seeing the 4790k side by side with similarly affordable CPUs shows that a platform upgrade wouldn't be worth as much as a simple jump to i7.
Totally fine with my OC 7700k and 2 1080s in SLI. I will upgrade in 2020.
frame time plots > average fps
I'm really curious as to what's causing those massive spikes in frame time. It's not just one engine, all seem to have significant outliers.
There are pros and cons to both. It's hard to discern the difference between a 10ms and a 12ms median frame time (they're both just squiggly lines on top of each other), even though it's as significant as 20%!
A typical average-1%-.1% set of statistics offer more intuitive and actionable information (the average is 10 over my display refresh rate, and at worst it doesn't dip below 60). Of course there's the problem of misleading presentation of facts which is where frame time comes in.
@@vdinh143 bro 10 vs 12 ms isn't that much of a difference to humans which can see above 144hz but not like above 200hz. The percentage exaggerates the difference and hides frame time numbers.
@@pr0xZen GN managed it with 4 relevant results
@@vdinh143 You should not compare the two, They represent different contexts! The frame time plot shows you the INDIVIDUAL frames, while the average is a SET result. The AVG FPS is still a good measure for RAW performance, while the frame plot show you delays. In network terminology one would speak about bandwidth and latency..
The plot contains 5000 frames. If you would plot RX580 vs a RTX2080TI, both would be very similar. What the plot doesn't show you, is how LONG it took to fill the plot. You can be looking for a 41 second 120 AVG for a RX580, while the 3000 frames would be rendered with the RTX2080TI in 19 seconds with 260FPS.. To make the graphs more comparable GN used the RTX2080TI to remove as many factors as possible..
Gaming at 4k I don't see myself replacing this 4790k any time soon. Paired with 16gb of cas9 2400mhz it still holds it's own. Thanks for the video and all of the work put into it Steve.
I built my 7700k sytem in feb 2017 knowing amd had something coming and I had the money at the time and a decent video card *1070* The games I play I do not find a performance issue in at 1080p. I run most games 60-140 fps on ultra settings.. personally I'm only noticing issues in online games like battlefield 1.. single player 144fps is a normal thing online 120 fps and cpu stuttering is more the norm. So if I was remotely interested in bf1 online or cod or something I'd have to update but playing hitman and games like that.. it's a waste of money to update. And like Steve-o said 3-5 years I was thinking 3 or 8/16 cpu's fine but a 9900k is to expensive for not enough of a gain. Not another 1000 bucks worth anyways.
Odd..I play bfv with a 7700 non k and there's no stutter
@Dex4SureSo it becomes a problem at like 140fps?
@Dex4Sure But everything under around 140fps is fine?
@Dex4Sure Okay, thanks
mid 2020 now, still using 7700k, runs great, great gaming FR, am I really missing out?
I can get 5.1Ghz with my 7700k, but honestly, I've undervolted it and I'm happy with stock performance.
Wise choice imo, the cpu will have a better lifespan and the gains with overclocking are marginal anyways.
Nice, another undervolter o/ How low did you go? I stopped at 1.216V CPU-Z load voltage. Got it now MCE on and that pumped voltage to 1.232V for the 4.5Ghz. (1.248V was stock for me)
@Nominative Oh very nice, maybe I got to try even 1.2v with this mini overclock.
+OnBoard +Nominative +BombaJead This topic has got me re-interested in this. I've just OC'd(ish) my CPU while keeping an undervolt. I've got a modest, but stable, 4.6GHz all core overclock with 1.14v. I have an Asus Prime-A Z270 motherboard. Here are a couple more settings and a bit more info:
I have left the LLC to auto,
I use Adaptive power,
Voltage is set to 1.14v,
Offset is set to -0.050v,
HWinfo64 shows an actual voltage of 1.18v, but CorsairLink4 shows 1.10v.
I get an average of 960 points in Cinebench.
@@Christopher_S Sweet, now I definitely got to drop my voltage more too. Using adaptive as well think I got it set to 0.1v to keep bios/load voltage about the same. Get about 954 avarage for my 4.5GHz, so seems right. That 970cb default listing there on cinebench stock sure ain't correct :) (likely motherboard with more than 100 baseclock)
These revisits are fantastic and important work. Thank you for all of your effort. It definitely helps people identify current and upcoming issues that may or may not arise in the near future with their current system.
Hey Steve happy holidays. I wonder if in 2019 you will maybe do a video about ARM processors and their appearance in laptops and maybe even desktop versions in the near future? Would be interesting to see where they stand as future competition with amd and intel in the desktop space.
I remember getting my i7-7700k on sale when the 8700k came out. I was short money, Couldn't get it. I also remember getting my 1080 on sale and then a 2070 came out a week later.
Rockin a 7600K here
Same. It gets the job done but got quickly outclassed within a few months after I purchased it, which was a bit annoying. I would have gladly waited for an 8600k setup had I known.
@@phatcyclist yeah, at some point I'll upgrade to the i7, but not for a while
GN great video thank you. I am on a i7 2600K@5.1GHz and just installed a EVGA 280mm CLC water cooler that I got for Christmas this year. My temps were good before the upgrade but after installing the EVGA CLC 280mm I seen about a 20c-22c drop under full load stress test even more so in just standard gaming.
It impressed me so much I retried for the magic 5.2GHz and yes it ran and was able to do bench tests fine with the new cooler I noticed that 2 out of the 10 games I tried on it @5.2GHz crashed back to desktop after about 15-20 minutes of gaming in those 2 games everything else ran fine and the temps were well under control. I figure it was either looking for maybe a slight voltage bump or maybe my mainboard VRM was starting to get to warm. Either way I never really notice much of any FPS increase @5.2GHz mainly because my R9 390x is most likely holding back any performance gain I would be getting form the extra 100MHz on the 4 cores.
I am sure it was my graphics card holding the system back because the GPU was stuck at 100% usage and and the core @1236MHz pretty much always with my settings. The games were all smooth though like they always are so I am not complaining. I do plan on retiring my i7 2600K summer of 2019 and getting maybe a AMD Ryzen 3000 CPU whether it is a 8,10,12 core is undecided since we do not know what AMD has planned for the main stream just yet. If we are to believe the rumors amd leaks we will be getting at least a 10/20 Ryzen and some say a 12/24 Ryzen I do not think that will happen but if it does that will be my next CPU. I also plan on getting a Navi GPU setp if the rumors hold true then at least 1080/2070 performance for around $300-$350US which is pretty good and both of these AMD parts will be huge upgrades for my system.
The only thing I will miss is having to go down to 16GB memory since right now I have 32GB but it is DDR3 of coarse. Maybe ram prices will drop enough so I can just pick up 2 16GB sticks of DDR4 3600MHz and be able to keep my 32GB installed memory.
For GN's charts to gauge where my CPU sits for performance so I can compare I just took their i7 2600K@4.7GHz and added a few percentage of performance to that CPU's scores to see where I sit in GN's charts CPU performance wise that is. I was surprised that my old trusty 2600K at it's clock rate sits just above a 7700K stock most of the time except in one of the games my CPU fell a bit short I do not remember which game but I think it was the new Assassins creed game. Either that game uses the newer AVX instructions in the 7700K or likes more memory bandwidth that DDR4 provides.
Still rocking a stock 7700K :)
still? its not a old processor i'd hope it doesnt need replaced yet lmao
Why is it stock? I would be trying to get every last bit of performance out of it
@@purpledrink93 it's only 4 cores and that will start to show
@@audionut9974 my motherboard is shitty, thats why I didnt overclock it
Mine's in a z170 mATX board lol. I've managed to get it to 5.1ghz with 1.35v, steady low 80 degrees c temps with a NH-D15... Which i only run when doing photo editing batch processes. Otherwise, the only game i really play is Warthunder, and it hits 1080p 144hz easily with a gtx 1060 3gb stock.
Got my 7700K Running @ 5ghz. I will be waiting for another year or so before i upgrade it. Great video as always!
I am somewhat happy with it, but it will prolly get replaced with a Zen 2
Same plan here :) 3600x likely if that goes to 8/16, won't need more than 16 threads if 3700x is 24.
I got the 7700k like two months before the 8th gen release. I don't regret it, but part of me has always thought "what if I waited." I needed this.
See what you guys can get out of your 4790k when pushing it. Ide like to see how it falls in the stack OC'ed to hell.
Been watching your channel for a while and couldn't believe I hadn't subscribed yet. I'm one of the ones that got angry from buying a 7700k early 2017. I upgraded from a much older AMD. It's been stable at 4.5 GHz since I installed it. Very good chip.
Intel needs to add some features whist battling 14nm stagnation. e.g. onboard thunderbolt. . .
Just got an EVGA 2080 ti FTW3 and I’m still using a 7700k at 5.0 Ghz. Really don’t think the 7700k needs to be upgraded at this time for 4k gaming.
same here 2080ti ftw3 and 7700k @4.9 absolutely no bottlenecking at 4k
😒 its still pricey af but maybe one day it will be affordable used
Won't be usable by then
For real, better off getting a ryzen combo for the same price nowadays -_-
@@dcon1891 😒 well if amd fast ram keep their prices nice and low then yeah it does make more sense a 6/12 raisin build instead, fkit 😒👍🍇🍇🍇🍇🍇
Happy 7700K owner here. Delided with liquid metal at 5 GHz. I'm definitely at least a year from considering an upgrade. Since we finally have competition, there will be plenty more advancements in the next year.
I have a 6700k. Is that comparable to a 7700k?
i have 6700k at 4.8ghz and mine still going strong with my 1070
Functionally the same processor minus a 200mhz turbo boost IIRC. Once you start OCing you're at the mercy of the silicon lottery so you could interpret this video as a review of the 6700k as well. Frame differences between the 6700k and the 7700k would be indistinguishable, and both are known to be great OCers.
Its the same fucking thing
The 7700K is 3.2% faster than the 6700K at 1080p
The 7700K is 1.6% faster than the 6700K at 1440p
The 7700K is 0.4% faster than the 6700K at 4K
Source: www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7-7700K_vs_6700K_Game_Performance/25.html
TOo long didn’t watch users, if you play competitively and run anything past 75Hz refresh rate, you will have more frames, thus requiring more cpu cores for more frame calls to the gpu. Rainbow 6 siege and call of duty black ops 4 love cpu usage. Cpu usage is only going to increase with Dx12 and Vulkan moving forward. The games I mentioned are dx11 and testing on 8 core 9800X cpu
Steve test VR project cars 2 and star citizen plzzzzz
Again great video! I'd have only one request, I'm sure other people would appreciate it as well. Could you guys make a video pairing "mainstream" CPUs (like r5 2600, 8th or maybe 9th Gen i5s) with medium to high end GPUs (vega 56 and 64, gtx 1070ti, 1080 and maybe 2070)? These cards make more sense in the 1080p/144hz or 1440p/60-100ish and the price difference between a ryzen 5 and even an i5 is absurd. Thank you very much and keep up the great work! Cheers 🥂
4790k here, glad you mentioned it in the video, still handles like a beast and a great OC'er 4.8ghz
My plan back in 2016 was to upgrade the i3-6100 for an i7-6700 (or 7700 when it launched)... when I got the money a couple months ago, its price was so high that I ended up buying a 2700x + x470 motherboard.
I bought the 8700k over the 9700k last year because I thought the performance difference would not be much. Same thing with the 7700k and 8700k. No matter what you get the next best thing is always out there. All of these are still great chips.
Great Stuff GN, Looking Forward to more content in the new year!
Got my 7700K built in late March of 2017, and, paired with a GTX1060, feel no need whatsoever for upgrades yet....
Same here. Running mine on water at 5ghz with my own delid daily. No hiccups at all.
After liquid metal application I was able to get my 7700k to 5.2ghz stable on 1 core and 5.0 stable on all cores at 1.375v. I am using the asus maximus xi extreme(the custom waterblock on the cpu) and a custom loop with 2 360mm radiators. On load it does get 87C
You should pair a i9 9900k with that mobo....
With a Asus Maximus XI Hero you can get a stable 5GHz all 8 cores with the i9 9900k. That extreme with a great cooler could get those numbers even higher 😶
Still enjoying my i5-4690K. Four years on it's had substantially good staying power.
My gaming rig is still rocking a delidded and liquid metal'd 7700k @ 5ghz stable-as-a-stone and an AIO/360mm rad cooled 1080ti overclocked by about 250mhz on the gpu and 450mhz on the ram, which never goes above 55c under the heaviest loads I can throw at it and rarely goes above 40c when playing anything that's not loading it to capacity.
I game at 1440 or 2160, depending on the game and how well it'll do at 4k or if it runs better at 1440, and I have absolutely no complaints.
I've got my ps4 pro and my gaming rig hooked up to the same Samsung KS8500 4k hdr TV and 60hz is still the refresh rate I game at. Far Cry 5 @4k doesn't stay at a perfect 60fps with everything cranked up, so I knocked a couple of settings down just a smidge, I can't tell the difference and it stays pinned at 60fps forever.
Tom Clancy's Wildlands feels better for me to play at 1440p with everything absolutely cranked than at 4k with a few modest setting compromises, so that's how I play that one.
Final Fantasy XV, I have very specifically tweaked settings for to play @ 4k60fps, as that game knocked down to 1440 on my display looks unusually bad. Its a resolution thing, not the game's fault, but there it remains and my fine tuned settings worked a charm for me when I was still playing that one.
Resident Evil 7 played @ 4k60ps with everything cranked and HDR on like a champ, and that was even before I'd thrown an AIO on my gpu and it was still running MSI's stock clocks for the Gaming X 1080ti.
Good ol' Witcher 3 stays pinned at 4k60fps even with hairworks on, and even with the various mods enhancing the lighting and textures it still doesn't tend to budge from 60fps.
Everything else I play, my rig is still complete overkill for. Tales of Berseria, Tales of Zestiria, Tales of Vesperia, Pillars of Eternity, Divinity: Original Sin 2, frequent revisits to heavily modded installs of Fallout 4 or Skyrim.
I also play SWTOR and LotrO with my wife, and...well, those could run on a potato, relatively speaking. My wife's desktop is still rocking an old 2600k OC'd to 4.8ghz and a dramatically OC'd 980ti, both AIO cooled, and she can't be bothered to care to even think about upgrading yet as her display is 1440p 75hz weird chinese monitor that's actually stunningly good for the price she paid for it, and she doesn't give a crap about having all settings cranked in most games anyway.
Even the old 2600k and the still-potent 980ti she's rocking play everything I listed above at performance levels I'd find acceptable.
oh yeah
Thanks Steve, was deciding if I needed to update from my 7700 with SLI 1080Tis. Appreciate the consumer advice!
I just have 6 months with the 7700k and im glad í DO NOT overclock so temps are great and performance great channel
Thanks for this video I was waiting a long time for this
Still running smooth
CPU: 7700K - 5GHz Watercooled
RAM: 32GB
GPU: GTX 1080 Ti Watercooled
Chassi: Thermaltake The Tower 900
HowDidThisHappenNow Do you ever have problems with TT Riing software? I’m assuming you’ve got a couple RGB fans
@@TheTmshumanMy Chassi version dident have any RGB fans, My TT Pacific R22 + pump did but no problem there
@@TheTmshuman I don't have any problems really besides the fact I have to re click on my saved fan speed and color profile everyday to get it to run at those colors and speeds I want.
@@SidewaysShadow My software just stopped loading altogether. Tried reinstalling previous version to no avail. I now have a Five thousand plus dollar hard pipe independent loop TT900 build with TTRGB everything and I haven't the patience to reformat. This build took more than a week strait. I feel like I just got conned by TT. Good thing I upgraded my 2080TI loop to a 560mm rad. At stock fan speeds I still don't exceed 45C. They don't respond on their website. Last time I buy TT but with the amount I spent they probably don't care. I put a video up of the build. First attempt at hard pipe so don't laugh too hard.
As a 7700k owner this was very helpful, Steve. Thank you so much!
You speak so much gaming truth. Thanks for the comparison to frame time to latency and the differences on user experience.
Bravo to constantly pushing frametime plots! Wish you all the best for 2019!
run OC everyday 4.9 1.3v on a kraken x62 with some nice breezy 60 degree temps, functionally indistinguishable from 5.0ghz, got a huge improvement in 1% lows last week just from upgrading 2133 ram to 3200. i’m happy until ice lake
I had a Dell optiplex 990 i7-2600, sold that got an i7-4770k, sold that and got a i7-7700k. Just a month ago and I was playing games with an i7-2600(no k) now I'm on the i7-7700k and it's freaking amazing.
I got a very nice Z270 motherboard for free right before the 8700K launched and have been very happy with my 7700K. I was curious to see how it stacked up against 9900K though. Thanks for the review and revisit GN!
The 8th gen chips were already available when I bought my 7700k based system, but I decided to go with this because I wanted a 4+GHz part more than I wanted a 6 core/12 thread part having looked at all the benchmarks for modern games and seeing that very few were utilizing more than 2~8 threads to any great extent. Paired with my GTX 1060 at 1080p, I'm still quite content with this system as-is and after recently cleaning and re-pasting the CPU and GPU with a fresh application of Kryonaut, I'm now able to run my 7700k at a constant 4.5GHz without any thermal throttling and my GTX 1060 clocks up to around 1.8GHz~1.9GHz+ especially on a day that isn't too hot and humid. Not half bad for a laptop. I'm sure I could squeeze higher clocks out of it if I tried to bump the voltages up, but running with XMP at 3002MHz CL16 and an all core locked turbo value of 4.5GHz for the CPU, it's still the fastest system I've ever used and I'd rather keep it running happily at safe temps and voltages than try to squeeze out the last possible ounce of performance for it. I don't do anything besides game and browse the web etc. (no video production, image editing or anything like that) so I have no reason to upgrade at this time. I suspect that once the next gen consoles drop, AMD is going to shift the gaming space towards 8 cores/16 threads, so that might be the time to consider an upgrade, but since that's not likely to occur until 2020 or later, I should be just fine until then with my current system, especially since I'm not much for most modern titles anyway (I like fighting games and the occasional twitch based FPS like Quake/Unreal etc.) so there is no current/upcoming title on the market that calls for any more horsepower than I already have, especially at 1080p with a 60Hz G-SYNC display. 2020 also happens to be when Windows 7 support ends, and since I loathe Windows 10, I'll have to decide then what to do and whether to risk sticking with the dated OS or move on to something else, assuming there is an option (besides Linux) that doesn't suck so much.
Anyway, thanks for the benchmarks. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, especially as the core counts have been going up with each major launch from AMD and Intel lately, though I still suspect that at least until the next gen consoles come, most games still won't utilize more than 8 threads and will still lean more on higher clock speeds; something the 7700k has an advantage over many newer parts from both vendors (save for the extreme editions), at least at stock speeds being a 4.2GHz base clock part. I've also been wondering just how much of a difference there is between 4 cores with HT/SMT vs a true 8 core part, so seeing the comparisons with the 9700k gave me a good feel for the differences (IPC changes notwithstanding of course).