Chomsky on Supporting Sanders & Why He Would Vote for Clinton Against Trump in a Swing State
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- democracynow.org - Who is the world-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky voting for? "In the primaries, I would prefer Bernie Sanders," Chomsky says. "If Clinton is nominated and it comes to a choice between Clinton and Trump, in a swing state, a state where it’s going to matter which way you vote, I would vote against Trump, and by elementary arithmetic, that means you hold your nose and you vote Democrat. I don’t think there’s any other rational choice."
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Bernie Sanders is a hero to me, but, you know, no one knows this stuff like Chomsky... his all-seeing view is greater than any U.S. politician. They should all have to debate him before taking office.
If Bernie were in a debate against Chomsky he would get crushed. No one knows about the main currents of Marxism as well as Chomsky does. It only takes a basic understanding of economics and history to know social policies stifle growth in the sector they are implemented. Chomsky enjoys what Bernie stands for, but in regards to his policies Chomsky (even as a leftists) opposes them.
That is incorrect. Chomsky said quite frankly in an earlier interview that Sanders was probably "the one with the best policies."
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Between Trump, Hillary and Sanders, that is not saying much. When I say he opposes them I'm was more referring to ideologically as oppose to Bernie's specific policies.
jamie dimon - no, huge difference in being a teacher - philosopher & a politician. Sanders certainly understands marxism but he pitches what the audience will buy & can comprehend
jamie dimon, yeahpolicies that will work for the people now & have an outside chance of getting approved by senate
"We have 5 seconds." I think thats the worst thing in the world you could say to Chomsky. ; )
الله يطول عمره.
It'll be a dark day when this man leaves us.
امين
But he won't actually come out and say "I would vote for Hillary." He says "hold my nose and vote democrat."
He agrees that Sanders is his favored candidate.
she cut off something that sounded like it would be important.
The old bag lost any remaining credibility by saying he'd vote for Hillary, when she is the embodiment of the Iraq War, War on Terror, Patriot Act, imperialism, and everything else he has ever pretended to be against.
JustAPerson He realizes that Trump is worse. Trump has openly stated that he would support the a bill even better (which means worse) than the patriot act, he just openly stated recently that he supports stop and frisk. Trump is the biggest proponent for the war on terror as well, he's said that he would bomb the shit out of ISIS, while not a bad thing he's clearly a proponent for the war on terror. Define what you think imperialism is because by definition we will commit an act of imperialism no matter what. Trump also did support the war in Iraq. I'm not even going to touch all the insane things Trump has said with nukes, PTSD, McCain, imitation of a disabled person, lack of policy, the amount of debt his tax plan would burden the US economy with, etc. I would hold my nose and vote Clinton even though I don't like her or even agree with a lot of her social policies but simply because Trump is worse.
Farryknight Trump did not support the Iraq War, but most of your comment is on point.
Farryknight I was leaning towards Trump over Hillary because I'd personally rather accept right-wing policies for what they are than to accept right-wing policies disguised as left-wing policies, which will only taint the left even further.
However, after seeing how things have been playing out, I think I'm starting to hate both equally.
What has our constitutional republic come to?
all my life i have been in awe of men and women who have given progress to the world. Noam Chomsky is one of them.
WISE ELDER
very wise
+Hector Lamar exactly. Fuck Chomsky. Regressive godfather
Sorry Noam, I live in Florida and I'm bernie or bust. I'm not accepting the fact that hillary is better than trump just cuz she's a little better on some social issues... she's no good on economic issues or foreign policy. she's a moderate Republican
a moderate republican could be better than a complete wildcard. I am also Bernie or Bust but I'm in California a hard blue state that would never turn red within this decade. If you're in a swing state you don't have the privilege to not vote for the better of two evils unfortunately. But also definitely watch the open debate for Florida's senatorial seat
+darkJman77 I'm of the opinion that trump doesn't really want to be president. I still believe from the start that his run was a ploy to make the Republicans look as bad as possible to ensure a hillary presidency, that backfired. yes trump is a fascist moron, but I'm sorry, hillary is equally bad in my eyes. there is no lesser of 2 evils. my standards are way too high, so I he wins over her, so be it. I don't buy his schtick anyway.
when it comes to florida, I'm definitely heavily engaged. I'm have watched the open debate (and actually was the person who submitted the last video question lol). I'm all for Alan Grayson for the Senate and I've even donated to Tim Canova to beat Debbie Wasserman Schulz
The main issue about Trump is that he isnt willing to do anything about climate change, as Chomsky has said in previous interviews.
+wildyownz the main issue with hillary is that she won't either. being pro fracking, pro keystone xl pipeline (I'm not buying her flip flop, pro tpp, pro endless warfare all contributes to climate change
+Khashon Haselrig I'm sure it's as exactly as you said unfortunately
wtf man? 'we have 5 seconds…' men and women like Mr. Chomsky only come once in a lifetime, come on!!
exactly... absolutely ridiculous
You don't cut off Noam. You tell your advertisers to piss off and you let him speak until he walks out of the room, of his own accord.
I'm completely against the idea of "holding your nose and voting" for a candidate. The idea of voting is to vote for the candidate you want, not vote against the candidate you don't want. This type of 'choose one or the other' thinking is exactly what the two parties -- Democrats and Republicans -- want people to sink down into. The two parties want everyone to think that there are only two options. This is one way they stay in power.
I'll never cast an anti-Trump vote for Hillary. To do this would be to participate in the illusion of democracy the two parties want us to continue to live in.
aslong as the spoiler effect is a thing we have to take it into account. I would MUCH rather have a system of alternative voting (ranked voting) to get rid of the spoiler effect but until we have a new constitutional amendment to change the way we vote for president we have to pick whoever is the least dickish and be more involved in primaries and local elections.
darkJman77
I feel like the "spoiler effect" is another illusion created by Democrats and Republicans (whichever party happens to be the sore loser at the time) to convince people to vote for either one or the other. For example, when Democrats say that Ralph Nader spoiled the 2000 election for Al Gore, that's the Democrats being sore losers. Nader had every right to run for president and everyone who voted for him had every right to do that (this is called "democracy"). And everyone who voted for Nader did so because they felt that he represented them. If they felt Al Gore represented them, they would've voted for Gore. The fact that Gore wasn't representing them is a fault of Gore, not a fault of Nader. So excluding any candidate because of the "spoiler effect" is yet another way that Democrats and Republicans get you to vote for them and not necessarily someone who represents you. It's definitely a form of manipulation, and the fact that it's entrenched in people's minds shows how well the Democrats and Republicans play to the fears of people in order to stay in power.
I do agree with you that ranked voting may be a nice way of making people feel better about voting for candidates that aren't Democrat or Republican, however, I don't think either Democrats or Republicans would allow it simply because it would threaten their shared dominance.
Gabriel360LIVE I wouldn't be so harsh on Democrats as a whole because they have implemented it in in San Francisco and Oakland, California and Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting#United_States
On a national scale yes the major parties are against 3rd party candidates from getting involved in the process.
+Gabriel360LIVE But you're not understanding what he's saying. He said that if you're in a SWING STATE, when the vote can go either way, it would be better to vote for Hillary since if you didn't you would effectively be voting FOR Trump. If you're not in a swing state then it doesn't matter, you can vote for your own shit and it's not going to change the outcome. If we had instant runoff voting though this would not be an issue. Remember that people gave Ralph Nader a ton of shit because a large enough proportion of democrats voted for him over Al Gore to allow Bush to win the election.
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-nader-cost-gore-an-election/2015/02/05/3261cc22-abd2-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html
dmike3507
I'm sorry, but what you've just shown me is how caught up you are in the exact type of thinking I was talking about, the type of thinking Democrats and Republicans want you to have. Even in a swing state, a vote for one candidate is still not a vote for another. If you vote your conscious, you're not voting for the lesser of two evils, you're voting for the candidate that you feel represents you.
I heard that dude just fine; you just read my comment from the perspective I was talking about. Until you shed that point of view, and until American sheds that point of view, we'll be stuck with whoever people think is the lesser of two evils and nothing will get better, because the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Support Bernie Sanders 2020
Or to Scandinavia
I love Noam Chomsky. He's the man who got me into politics. That's why it hurt so much to hear him utter the words, "vote for Hillary." Over my dead body, comrade. I'd sooner dive headfirst into a swimming pool blindfolded and pray for water than chop my own arms off and flail around in the deep end for another four years.
Thankfully, I live in California so I'm safely #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary
I'm gonna hold my nose and write in Bernie Sanders.
+Mike Williams If bernie was not sending his supporters to disrupt Trump rallies, I'd like Bernie alot more. Standing up against Israel is something I deeply support. I just hate the SJW triggered emotional children that Ive seen supporting bernie.
+Holypikemanz = paid troll
@@Holypikemanz
"I used to vote based on policies, but then a Bernie supporter hurt my feelings."
Grow up, you narcissistic toddler
A vote for Clinton is a vote for Donald Trump.. HILLARY MONSANTO WESTINGHOUSE CLINTON IS JUST LIKE BUSH...NEVER...I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER.
+nutzforart Trump is 1000x better than Bernie or Hilliary. keep wetting the bed, libtard, because YOUR shitbag government is going to change.
+Holypikemanz you realize that it's actually been empirically documented that 76% of what comes out of Donald Trump's mouth is a lie, right?
A vote for Clinton is a vote for Trump? That makes absolutely no sense.
I totally disagree...falling into line like an obedient democrat and voting for someone who doesn't look after our best interest is WRONG and insane!!!! If we vote along party lines then WE are the problem...
+BeeFriendlyApiary - I couldn't agree more! To vote along party lines is to silence OURSELVES. Not this voter.
That said, I live in Kansas, which is about as far as you can get from being a swing state. But even if I lived in Florida, why should that be used to pressure me to bow to either the Fuhrer or the corrupt corporate machine that is Shillery? People in this country have to STOP giving away their power. We've already lost so much that our forefathers fought for, and we can't afford to lose much more or the fallout will make Trump look like an angel by comparison (and that's definately saying something!).
agreed
+BeeFriendlyApiary So if Sanders does not win in the primary would you exercise your right to voter abstinence?
+BeeFriendlyApiary Any moron who believes Trump (a greater untrustworthy fucker you will not find) would make a better president than Clinton needs his head examined. And that has nothing to do with voting along party lines.
Chomsky's speaks of decent into barbarism and he is not referring to Clinton.
I think the problem is basically one of excluded middles in a binary choice. It would be great if a majority of deliberate non-votes by registered voters meant "Fuck this whole choice, start over." Unfortunately the system is not built that way.
"WE HAVE FIVE SECONDS" 😂
Hillary v Trump reminds me of George Carlin's skit about how we are never offered real choices, not viable ones anyway. The candidates are always vetted by the establishment and a real outlier has no chance. The strongest 3rd party candidate in our lifetime was Ross Perot and all he did was help get Bubba elected. Bernie has done better than most but he also caved to the PTB early on by promising to support the eventual nominee. Nader called him out on that too. Gave up most of his leverage right there and then. So Trump v Hillary, paper or plastic, coke or pepsi, tide or cheer, ford or chevy, sugar or sweet n low. Business as usual in the greatest.......har.... democracy in the world.
The last sensible Republicans were Eisenhower and the first Bush...not his ne'er do well brain dead son.
Unfortunately, daddy Bush was thrown out because he knew we should raise taxes to pay for the failure of Reaganomics.
Then enter the era of the fake democrats...The Clintons.
At least Bernie would have been relatively harmless but no one in his right mind who really knows Hillary Clinton would ever give her the US Presidency if they truly cared a whit about the country. The convention fiasco was the last straw but unfortunately we’re still sweeping the manure out of this three ring circus tent.
Bernie doesn't even need a presidential cabinet... He can just read Noam's books.
+Christine Jones He would still need a cabinet, though... to put the books in.
+Steve From Management haha
!!! Very funny !!!
Christine, do not - under-estimate Bernie's intelligence, he is well- read, identifies as a democratic socialist! Chomsky is a Marxist so your comment is silly
@@65minimom Hi there! Kinda late but I'd like to point out a mistake in your comment that could lead to misunderstandings. Prof. Noam Chomsky's political position is anarchist, rather than marxist.
This is the same point I've heard Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk make: if you're in a swing state, vote Clinton.
You mean "Discount Cenk Uygur?"
+Rhythmicons - lol!
nah kyle is much better at shooting down sjw style bullshit than cenk
He tries too hard in my opinion. Not quite original enough to warrant watching him when I can hear everything he is going to say on TYT first, which is much more entertaining.
He's a regressive supernova
Nope. #BernieOrBust
Sometimes you just have to suck it up and just vote against the other party, not for the candidate you like. Republicans know it and that's why they won. You decided to whine instead of voting Clinton and thanks to you Trump won. Congratulations.
Kudos to him for supporting Sanders. :)
I love you Noam but I'm Bernie or bust.
+Shawn Cain So you're just a big poseur huh? Who gives a shit about the world?
Given the choice between two bad things, as those bad things get worse absolutely, their relative degree of undesirability between them shrinks compared to their absolute undesirability. So if the choice was between Genghis Khan and Hitler, what's the point in choosing? At some point as that ratio gets smaller, you have to reject the set of choices altogether even if doing so means you have to suffer a short term loss. .
Chomsky is correct in the limited sense that Hillary presents some slim, theoretical projected benefit over Trump. But only in the short term. We have to think about the next election cycle and how the DNC will reckon their responsibility to satisfy the progressive demand next time around. If you want the DNC to take that demand seriously, you have to start tearing at the party right now. If the oligarchs always know what we will do they will always win. You have to act crazy and unpredictable sometimes.
Something else to consider is that Hillary is more likely to last 8 years than is Trump who is more likely to be impeached, primaried, or die. Hillary also figures to be more effective and get more things done- not good if you are against her agenda. And when it comes to the biggest threat, I don't see how it is worse to run the ecocide under Trump or walk to it under Clinton- either way it's ecocide. That means if there is a 1% chance that supporting, fully, a third party candidate will give the environment a chance then we should take it as it represents the best chance.
+Will Moffett PRECISELY!
+Will Moffatt Hillary may just be even more pliable than Nixon to popular movements, which brought about the EPA among other things.
She is pretty bad but don't expect much better out of a country as twisted as the US and know that things can always get much, much, worse and quickly.
She won't be reelected. Mark my words. When has a single party held office for over a dozen years? Not since Truman, and he barely won against Dewey. Vote Trump, wait for the 15, 16, 17 yr old progressives to come of age and elect another TRUE PROGRESSIVE, be it Elizabeth Warren, or that guy from Ohio, maybe even Bernie again in 2020. As long as Bernie's lost, we've lost. Remember that, folks.
Good get the fuck out.... No one wants old commie douche bags like you in the USA...
+ then again My baseline for judging Hillary is Obama. Using him as a relative measure I don't see her being pliable to popular movements as she is clearly to the right of Obama who has been a miserable failure from a progressive standpoint. It seems like a lot of people I talk to are comparing Hillary to Nixon in several aspects. I wasn't alive yet when Nixon was president, but I have read up on his record and don't think we need anyone like him ever again. Heavy handed application of the Kissinger philosophy to Syria and Iran at this point would seem to be adding pressure to a powder keg. I think a lot of Trump's offensive ideas are non-starters. I would almost be willing to gamble that he just won't get anything done rather than stand witness to Hillary implementing a pernicious and venal agenda with surgical precision.
I love Chomsky very much and i will always view in great reverence but he is so pessimistic when he says voting for a third party is tantamount to voting for trump. how else are these parties supposed to gain traction? one more thing, I fucking hate it when amy would always interrupt her guest by saying we have 5 seconds WHAT THE FUCK
If you listen to him he says if you vote third party in a swing state you are helping Trump get in. He wants a third party overall but right now in this election
Chomsky would support Bernie Sanders, so you have your third party possibility, but because we are a bunch of doped up, overweight, dumbed down, people, were not doing anything about it! If you did something about it, you would know that he would support Sanders,, but all you see is that he, and rightfully so, does not support Trump or Hillary, because they are just two different expressions of insanity, as far as putting them in the White House! The logic behind saying Chomsky should choose between the two, is like saying there are two guns in front of you -a 45 and a 38, and it really doesn't matter what gun you are going you shoot yourself with does it! I don't want to shoot myself with either! Damn, if either of these 2 get in the White House, I just may have to choose between a 38 or 45!
@5:10 I jumped out of seat from that loud interruption.
+Godskingdomwithin he literally just said he would vote for Hillary in the general election in a swing state.
The only way to make a third party viable is to eliminate the first past the post voting system. As long as candidates can win with pluralities, nothing will change. Let's join the rest of the world and implement an instant runoff.
I know it's arrogant of me to disagree with Noam Chomsky, but under no circumstances can I vote for either one, Trump or Hillary, I will go with a third party even if I have to write it in.
I guess I'm arrogant as hell, but I've never been able to listen to Chomsky without trying to make him laugh. Now I just don't want to listen to him.
You can't tell Chomsky that he has five seconds. You have to pretty much cancel your afternoon appointments. :)
Dear Democracy Now! Please use the TH-cam link on your website. Trying to see separate clips on the website is a horrible process for some.
it is unfixable. I'm not even bothering with a life raft.
+Steven Nur Ahmed sorry, i agree. i should say that every day we can make better choices, and too many of us dont. over time that builds up, and it has built up A LOT. we all bear so much responsibility, it seems unfixable from my viewpoint.
Have hope man!! I hear u tho
well said, why the f is Chomsky pushing this false narrative? I once thought he was somehow anti-establishment
look, if you are offered a choice between a lump of shit and a lump of toxic waste.....the choice is clear. nobody wants a lump of shit. but a lump of toxic waste is definitely going to kill you. who wants hillary? well she can't pack a stadium the way Bernie can. the obvious problem is that OUR VOICES DONT COUNT. thats the problem.....then again, when i talk to my family, my friends and random strangers i get a feeling that THIER VOICES DONT COUNT. this country is populated with people who don't even know a falling star IS NOT REALLY A STAR!! seriously. i carry a few Unmarked World Maps on my iPhone and i use it occasionally when it is obvious i am getting engaged in a debate with a republican. NOT ONE OF THEM COULD POINT TO IRAN ON A MAP BUT THEY WANT IT BOMBED. same for democrats. unfortunately the PROBLEM in this country is going to take at least 2 generations to fix....its taken two generations to break it. ignorance is the issue. stupidity is something someone can't help....ignorance is SELF INDUCED STUPIDITY.....a much harder problem to fix.
LesFarrington Its still a false narrative. As you mentioned "same for democrats" yes on all important issues "same for democrats". Our best bet is to put energy into actual solutions.
I don't respect anyone who would vote for Hillbilly Clinton
+Krowman84 Walk me through how "Hillbilly Clinton" works as an insult, though? Doesn't Trump appeal to Hillbillies?
Steve From Management Welcome to America where Hillybilly's vote for a spoiled Rich NY Yankee, and Liberals and Minorities Vote for a Goldwater Girl from Arkansas who called Robert Byrd KKK Cyclops her dear "Teacher and Mentor" Has backed a racist crime bill using racist terms while helping campain for her husbands crime bill..This country is Bass Ackwords,I mean ass backwords
Krowman84
Agreed, but how does Hillbilly Clinton work? Unless you're referring to Hillary and her husband Bill in the same breath? lol
Steve From Management Hillary and Billy are from Arkansas..But ohh I get the joke now,,HillBilly Hillary and Billy combined,Yea guess its a bad idea considering the main reason people vote for her is because they want Bill to be the next First Lady
Anybody that does not vote libertarian is a scumbag. FACT.
does anyone know which article Noam meant? ~ I can't seem to find it :)
Noam Chomsky is the single most thoughtful, insightful intellectual on the planet. His knowledge and understanding of world affairs is breathtaking.
He's a PC globalist working hand in hand with Soros, don't fool yourself.
Although I love Chomsky. I'm afraid of Clinton. I'm disappointed he supports her.
He doesn’t support her. He just thinks she’s a lesser evil compared to Trump
Or, why he would vote for Clinton.
+scentability01 bed wetting democrats voting for old bed wetting democrats no matter how evil they are, I guess. Makes no sense to me.
He didn't say he would vote for Hillary. He said he would vote against Trump, and only if he happened to be in a swing state.
Astute comment. Only the corrupt or the ill informed would vote
for Mrs Clinton.
Unfortunately, most people rely on corporate media for their information. So they continue to be misinformed.
+DyaniNC So he is still saying when push comes to shove he would vote for her where it counts...which is disappointing, considering what he knows about Clinton.
So where. is the link to the hour interview?
how do you find the post show footage?
It's true that both Trump and Clinton will be decidedly awful in terms of militarism and the environment, but nobody can tell me Clinton won't be the better of the two even in those arenas, if for no other reason that to not alienate her base should she seek a second term. Of course a Trump presidency would be an absolute disaster for minorities, women and the LGBT community in the immediate future as well. Refusing to vote for her out of sheer idealism is to some extent admirable, but consider how devastating a Trump presidency would be on all fronts, particularly for minorities. Voting for Clinton is living to fight another day, not a statement of allegiance. Not voting against Trump is accepting defeat. Stubbornness against strategy will end the same way every time. The ethical bankruptcy is on the Bernie or Bust crowd, not those of us willing to compromise when there is no other humane option.
+americanslime You refuse to accept the fact that Clinton is closer to Trump and Bush than she likes to talk about.; she uses women and people of color for political footballs. NEVER. EITHER WAY, TRUMP OR CLINTON, IT IS A DISASTER FOR OUR COUNTRY.
WE CAN ONLY VOTE FOR BERNIE.
This nonsense that Clinton is NOT like Trump or Bush or a war mongerer or a Monsanto TPP supported liar is just as insane as thinking Trump is ok.
Noam, you are getting senile.
+americanslime o lord, here we go, left wing freak says that any conservative presidency is "rayyyycist". This is why trump is so popular, the non stop attacks the Left throws at anyone who disagrees with their shitty values, trans generational poverty via welfare, and the violence in Detroit, New York, Chicago, liberal strangle holds, triggering, safe spaces, feminist supremacy.
+Holypikemanz The rightwing freaks are really upset about basic human rights for the Groups you disagree with.
Trump is a climate change denier. Hillary accepts the reality of climate change, but profits come first for her. Luckily, she has some wealthy supporters who are dedicated to the environment, and they will be part of her decisions. In that way, she will be better than Trump.
As for foreign policy issues, all bets are off. Hillary loves the military industrial complex. Trump isn't as much of an interventionist, but would start a war, simply because someone offends him.
According to this very creepy equation, Hillary is the better choice.
@nutzforart you my friend, have restored my faith in humanity. THANK YOU FOR PLAINLY TELLING THE PRAGMATIC TRUTH. I find this very hard to find nowadays
He makes a good case against a 3rd party vote. Gotta disagree. I think a vote for a 3rd party candidate is simply a vote for 3rd party candidate. It's not my fault dems are spineless and repubs are degenerates.
true. I think Sanders actually did good getting involved with the dems,,if not so many people would of kept falling for their BS.
I completely agree. You often hear it said that voting for anybody except one of the two party nominees is "throwing away your vote." I consider not voting for the person that you most agree with and want to get elected to be throwing away your vote--throwing it away in the purest form, because your throwing away your beliefs and principles with such an action.
It's interesting to think if all the Bernie supporters voted for the Greens, the Greens would actually become a viable third party that could actually compete with the two oligarchic parties.
If you vote for Hillary, _you_ are responsible for every evil she does.
unfortunatebeam Yup. I voted green in 2008.
Can anybody help find the next part?
The title is suggestive of Chomsky supporting Clinton over Sanders. Especially when it gets shortened on the mobile version.
I won't degrade my vote for a lesser evil.
+Emilio Martinez #BernieOrBust #SandersStein #GreenParty #Bernie2016 #JillStein2016
Then let Trump win and say goodbye to your family. Deportations for everyone!!
+TheWorldsStage where did he say he will deport everyone?
+Whitney D. he's not going to deport you.
+Whitney D. If you voted for Hillary over Bernie, you voted for the greater of two evils.
I'm 100% behind Bernie Sanders, we need change and Hillary Clinton is not gong to do that. But consider how things are now with Obama, if Hillary is elected it's going to be more or less the same thing. Now listen to what Trump is saying about the economy, the environment, war in the middle east, our international trade etc etc. With Trump things will change a lot. Do you want to risk that?
If we give whoever is elected a Progressive majority Congress, we can mitigate the damage of either a Hillary or Trump presidency.
+Asenueh the problem is the vast majority of voters do not vote for congress/ senatorial staff. Voter turn out is historically low for these, with some even voting against their own presidential candidate in tandem. I.e voting dem on the presidential, and rep on everything else due to whatever "feeing" they have at the time or out of innocent ignorance. The education system of this country is 100% to blame here, growing up in Texas the only political information I was given throughout all of my years in public education system was via the Internet(which I am extremely lucky to be born in such an age). Millennials are arguably more politically active due to their exposure to alternative media thus forming strong opinions against established mainstream propaganda. This wasn't the case 20 years ago or more due to the inability for information to be spread so easily. Until we partition some sort of unbiased political curriculum we will be stuck in a cycle of apathy.
6.5/10 - IGN One of the remedies to poor civics instruction are an American Legion program called Boys State and its American Legion Auxiliary counterpart Girls State in which a student, having completed his/her junior year in high school and at least 16 years old participates in a very intense one-week civics summer workshop in which they establish and run various levels of government. One can also earn four hours of college credit for participation.
I'm a Gen-Xer and I'm grateful for independent media, considering how the corporate-owned media has been derelict in its duty and has traded accountability for access.
Thank you Amy for your journalistic integrity. Thank you Noam, particularly for your opening comments here.
The larger part of this conversation, the "meat and potatoes" as it were, will work itself out on Nov. 3rd.
All questions posed here come down to vote or don't vote. There is work to be done in the field. Go, work in the field. Convince anyone to register to vote. That's a lot!
(I'm amazed at the ideas and language used below. Is this America?)
I Agree.
The Greens, Jill Stein is the next best option to Bernie I believe :)
Gary Johnson and Elizabeth Warren
+Yo Bo Gary Johnson is a right wing nut job. Are you serious?
or the most reasonable candidate outside of Bernie. Check out his recent interview on the Joe Rogan Experience.
+greenblackout Gary Johnson and John Stossel have both destroyed Jill Stein in debates, next Jill Stein is a leftist, she's automatically a nut job
Johnson is not a right-wing nutjob. He is a centrist libertarian. Ron Paul refuses to vote for him because he is too left-wing for his standards. That being said, Gary Johnson is a total moron and is completely unprepared to president.
Libertarian party is our last hope for sanity
Oh sorry, I embrace freedom and liberty, those things are hateful, We need corporatism, and socialism
The Greens party would be better, since they understand how civilization actually works, meaning to need to collect taxes for government to do the things for you that you want.
Asenueh if you know anything about government, its meant to be inefficiently, And at the end they put a gun to your head to pay or put you in a cage
kyler swanny Government can broker the amenities of civilization I want at a volume discount I couldn't broker as an individual paying fees for the roads, emergency services, national defense, veterans services, public education, food safety indpections, etc.
Asenueh You should educate yourself on voluntaryism, all you stated in completely ignorant,
A country of people who pay taxes are great to invade, because they already good slaves
I couldn't finish watching this.
_Does anyone have a clue what's the Fritz Stern article he's referring to ?_
Good chat
Has MIT ever faced criticism or unfair treatment by the government for employing Chomsky for so long?
Thank you for this video. I agree with Mr. Chomsky. I hope many people see this video and pay attention.
I'm troubled by the "Bernie or bust" crowd stubbornly standing on the sidelines. There's nothing high-minded or principled about being neutral in the face of utter disaster.
This News source is second to none out there! I see so much Truth on the show, that I, sometimes, get depressed and I have to take a break! Sometimes it seems like I will our Country is going to hell in a hand basket!
It's really pathetic that people attempt to insult and discredit individuals solely because of their age.
Pls remove animated TV title telling us that Chomsky is speaking, we know who is speaking we came here because of him
'waffling on'.... very objective interviewer
I understand they had time concerns, but man, what an unfortunate time to stop his roll. He was saying literally the most important thing IMO in those final seconds. Pointing out that disaffection with the current neoliberal order is fueling both a rise in the Left and the Right, and that's not a thing to ignore or take lightly. (Of course, the difference is, when both point to working people getting screwed over, the Left says it's the banks and corporations; the Right says it's the jews and immigrants.)
I love chomp, he says if it comes down to it....hold your nose and vote democrat! lol
WE HAVE 5 SECONDS
What a surprise that Chomsky doesn't think democracy is all that important.
The political side of my brain just did a HUGE 3 and a half gainer spasm. SPLAT!
She shouldn't interrupt him at all. She was rude.
Google it doesn't inspire me to pay any attention to the ads that that run when the content hardly seems to work, the ads sure seem to work. If you haved to try and peice together what is being said because you can't follow the stream of thought If anything I don't want to purchase anything from a company who dosen't make sure that the content they sponsor isn't running well. After all what does that say about their products. It says to me that they don't really care. So if you want your ads to have any impact then you should make sure the content is parsed that so that it runs smoothly or the ads impact will be negative at best
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My great hope is that Hillary's legal troubles render her ineligible for the presidency.
Many people I know who vote republican would cross the aisle for Sanders if it comes to a contest between him and Trump.
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"we can try to reach the conclusions we want"
Democracy is very different in US and A than in Kazakhstan. In America, woman CAN vote, but horse CANNOT.
So weird, Chomsky mentions the fact that Trump and Sanders are appealing to the same sentiment of social abandon... and he gets cut. I really would of liked to hear more on that...
Chomp, you've written and said many great things over the years, this is not one of them.
Think about two words; "Democracy and Republican". Democracy is when 51% rules over the loosing 49%. Not really a good model for a large country. So many do not get a say. Then think about Republican. Thats a collective of people from different republics of the larger country trying to work together. Following the constitution. I like that better. Democracy leaves out too many people. The Republic works for all.
We live in a Democratic Republic, so there you are. Originally there was a Democratic Republican party which split into two, but the two names don't represent their ideologies. BTW, "Republican" means not having a monarch, but an elected leader. Different parts of a nation working together is called Federalism.
I have never heard anyone use the word "collective" to describe a republic. Ever.
You might want to consider that the founders made the same argument you did. They feared the "tyranny of the majority" against the few with wealth and property, so they established a republic wherein the propertied class would have the largest say in how the country is run.
They were the enlightened men, the most fit to run the country, and it was the job of the electorate to decide which of them was most fit to represent them. The underlying problem with that early republican theory is, if people are intelligent and fit enough to select leaders, why could they not be leaders themselves?
From their perspective, republicanism is a kind of aristocracy, meaning "most fit to rule," absent a monarch or feudal economics. From the outset the republican system was designed to cut certain people out and to concentrate power in the hands of the wealthy few and provide protection for property against the many poor who would try to redistribute that wealth more equitably.
To vote for Hilary is to vote for a critical remember Libia
For all the #BernieOrBust folks, what is your next step? I'm curious how clinging to your ideology is working out.
Vote for tTrump obviously. You slow or something?
Sad to hear Chomsky buy into the "a vote for (third party) candidate C is actually a vote for candidate B (when candidate A really needs to win)" line of thinking. In this election, candidate C is in the Libertarian Party, and draws votes from both sides. That's one point that I've been confused on with Chomsky: he talks about how corrupt gov't is, but supports big gov't candidates, when I believe that we'd be better served seeking those who want to sever the corrupt connections between gov't and big business (Ag, Pharna, Mil-Industrial, etc.).
He's with Soros, of course he backs up Hillary.
The wise elder
Let Chomsky fucking talk! Geeze, you can wait!
Such an intelligent and cool dude, a true role model
he isn't though
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Yes he is and my daddy is much stronger than yours
Jan Inge he's a zionist shill like the rest of them
The rest of...what? How do you know so much? Did you meet him at the Mossad christmas party?
Jan Inge he plays along with the official story behind 911 and even mocked someone who claimed otherwise
Chomsky makes a good point in that the existential crisis of climate change must be addressed inmediately, but there isn't enough to suggest clinton will make real progress on that. We have a better shot riding the backlash against trump in 4 years for a real progressive. Much respect chomsky but #BernieOrBust
Please make interview with Chomsky and Sanders together
Noam Chomsky, what a mensch!
Senior Veteran for #Bernie2016 or Bust.
"Hold your nose and you vote democrat. I don't think there's any other rational choice."
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Noam. My hero.
Well done. He starts talking about that people should not focus too much on the presidential election and in that very moment you show scenes with the presidential candidates. Why? Because you are afraid people get borded and they need some visual stimulation?
Chomsky's thoughts on the significance of political elections 0:27
Article Chomsky was citing www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/2005-05-01/reflection-lessons-german-history
"It's not only that. He is also appealing to (pretty much) the same kind of things that Sanders is appealing to. In his case, it homes (focuses) on mostly the white working class.
But he's appealing to the fact that people have just been cast aside by the neoliberal assault of the past generation." Well said. It's just sad they cut him off before he could elaborate on it.
7:34 she sounds so done
This applies with Biden vs Trump too.
I fail to see how Hilary would have been better than Trump.
sanders chomsky 2016!
The Unhinged States of Apocalyptica.... sorry isn't very catchy I know
The core issue is the 1% and Wall street and the corporate world, but for some reason the solution would be to vote for Clinton who works at the orders of the 1% and wall street and the corporate world...
Let's see more time damn thing to finish what you start.
Why doesn't Noam run for president? Seriously?!
The sindicate would never ever allow NC to run for president.
Noam is so wrong about Trump. He is forgetting to consider Trumps motives, as academics often do.
They should never run out of time when Noam Chomsky is on.. ( how dare she interupt him and end the interview so quickly )
Why not switch to preferential transferable voting in which your BEST choice will not amount to the WORST. Also abolish the winner-take-all cheat.
What about Jill Stein, Noam?!
Chomsky's model of human society is so totally mistaken.