Rob's been making the rounds on my YT recommendations lately, and while I don't ride a carbon bike my particular type of brainworms demand I absorb any technical information I can find about bike repair. Super informative!
Spent two years finding my dream frame only for my mech hanger to snap and take a chunk out of the seat stay. Just got it back from these guys and the repair they’ve done is amazing. Thanks chaps :)
Pete peeve of mine… standby for an expansion of Jimmy’s explanation that no-one else asked for. Gaffa tape is a fibre reinforced tape that can be torn by shearing it and has a relatively clean edge. Duct tape however is a thinner, non reinforced tape that is somewhat pliable, semi elastic and tears by over-stretching it. It is essentially double width electrical tape with the same conductivity insulating properties. It is used to stretch and wrap around Air-conditioning ‘ducts’. Hence the name….Duct tape. As always great content from Cade Media 👍
I had the top tube on my Canyon Endurace repaired by a carbon repair guy here in south Florida just over 1 year ago. 15,000miles later and the repair still looks great. He repainted it and refinished it after and it looks as if nothing ever happened. It was a full crack around the whole top tube, right in the middle of the tube. Happened as a result of a collision with a car that made a u turn out of no where right in front of me.
I bought a Giant Defy Advanced (~2012) a couple of years ago from an old guy who had accidentally stuck a metal rod through the back wheel/spokes and fractured the chain stay on one side. A boat builder friend did a carbon repair which is both obvious (8cm long black wrap that kind of looks like duct tape) and very strong. It's my broken wing.
I fixed my cracked seatstay with aluminum can wrapped around it and duct tape on top, though only for indoor trainer use. I repaired it properly with carbon and epoxy later and rode it one summer before finally getting a new frame.
Originally the name came from "duck cloth" that was used for the backing. The product has never had anything to do with ducts. Gaffers tape is similar product that very importantly has synthetic glue that does not leave residue on eqipment and can be removed without stripping paint off surfaces.
Sounds like a really good reason to have a painted carbon bike (rather than one with no paint to save weight) is the paint's ability to reveal potential flaws in the carbon. Stay safe, my friends.
Paint also protects against the UV light if someone's concerned. I rather have paint because it looks cool, not sure I'm a fan of a full all black trend. Nice bike but now everyone's bike looks exactly the same LOL. Let's bring colors back!
@@WepaPix My main road bike is titanium so paint is not an issue for me. But if I had a carbon bike, for safety, protection of the carbon, and COOLNESS it would have the most glorious paint job. Then I would display it on the wall in my living room, where it would be admired by all, but never touched! 🤣🤣🤣
@@WepaPix I live in the US. After doing my due diligence on researching various US titanium bike manufactures, I decided to buy a Litespeed titanium bike as they hit the value/cost sweet spot for my budget. I did get my bike from them during a 10% off promotion. Every little bit helps. Some of the real high end, boutique titanium bike manufactures in the US are beyond my financial resources. I toured the Litespeed factory in Tennessee before making the purchase as I live in an adjoining state. I liked seeing a fair number of seasoned employees building the bikes. I'm all for promoting apprentice workers. But when it comes to my own bike, I want to know the people building it have been at their craft for a good amount of time. The welds on my bike are beautiful. Good craftsmanship is something I value. I hope this helps a little bit.
@@SignorLuigi Awesome, thanks for the tips. I will check it out. Must have been awesome to see the factory. I’m not close to TN but would be nice someday. Maybe a road trip down south. :)
Always value the expert advice. Love the content that Rob’s been involved in. I would consider carbon repair, if finding a replacement was difficult or too $$$.
5:33 Jimmi beat me to it! I was waiting patiently to mention that at least over here in the US they are completely different kinds of tape. The main feature of gaffer tape, as I understand it, is that it is less likely than other tapes to leave residue and adhesive all over what it was stuck to.
The bike on my pfp broke similar to the Silver TCR y'all used for demonstration when I hit a car that parked on the lane I was riding on(it was a 200 meter road I use for intervals). Difference is the way top tube of my bike is in better condition. Edit: forgot to mention, but I contacted an expert and it will apparently cost about 150USD to repair
Have I had a carbon frame cracked and then repaired - Yes. I crashed my 2012 Roubaix in the sprint at the end of "Tour Bxl" - foot came out of the pedal at 40+Km/hr. Went down HARD. Broke my wrist and still rode home unaware I'd cracked the seat tube. Bike shop spotted it when I put in the bike for a post crash test/service. Had the frame professionally repaired - even had a warranty on the repair. Nine months later the crack re-appeared. Had the repair repaired on the warranty of the repair (?!?) but I've now retired this bike to the indoor trainer. It does go outside - but only when I have no other options as my current bike is being repaired etc.
Good point; not all carbon bike repairers are like Rob and CBR. I had my car fixed by some jokers but it broke down again. I took it to a better place and now it’s great.
Duct tape is nick named duck tape from the duck cloth it was originally made from. Duck Tape the brand came later. Gaffer tape is an entirely different product made using cloth vs vinyl. Gaffer tape does not stretch or flex. You're using the wrong term entirely for that product. Never seen gaffer tape anywhere outside a hardware store, but you can find duct tape all over.
I concur with the carbon dude, using x-ray to find fractures is difficult at best. Like a doctor looking at a chest x-ray, you need very keen skills to find whatever you're looking for yet you may still miss things. X-ray is also used extensively in the production of electronics to examine PCBs.
Duct tape is silver & made for permanent adhesion and sealing of household ventilation ducts. Gaffer tape is similar but it is meant to be temporary to fix things on a movie set & pulled up without damage to the surface.
Is this the new Duct Tape Wednesday series? :D Also, gaffer tape is less sticky than duct tape. Useful for when you're taping cables together that you might want to un-tape without leaving sticky residue behind.
As a cyclist and ex motorcycle racer the 2 things you must have in your toolkit is duct tape and cable ties-you can fix most things-temporarily-with them.
I’d be interested, following on from the painted / wrapped comments, to know if Rob recommends those ride wrap or invisframe kits for carbon bikes (thinking MTB in particular)?
Duct tape and gaffer tape aren't the same. Since forced air heating is unusual in the UK, I can understand it being vague. [Duct tape is usually constructed using polyethylene whereas gaffer tape is cloth backed and made using a synthetic rubber-based adhesion system. Duct tape can have a shiny, reflective backing which makes it good for use in more industrial settings; whereas gaffer tape is often matte to prevent light reflection.] - DUCT TAPE OR GAFFER TAPE - WHICH IS BEST? Gaffer inherently has much greater strength.
Had a customer once in the shop who came with a Spezialized Aethos, all the bling, sram red etap and what not. She bought it and on the first proper tour not even a kilometer in another cyclist ran in her side they fell and her top tube cracked. You only saw a tiny crack but the bike was f-ed up.
Doesn't GAFFA tape also have less powerful adhesive. Because it's used on stage to tape down cables and stuff and has to be removed in ~24hours without residue?
What about the fork? I bought a $200 walmart dirt bicycle for $50 recently, but with a snapped fork on one side, missing seat, and i am replacing the back wheel. Its stainless. Do i take it to a prof welder, and then gorilla tape afterwards?
No always true that the paint will crack if the carbon is damaged. Trek replaced my 2006 Madone when they found a crack hidden under the paint of the carbon top tube. Was sent in to have a broken aluminum rear drop out replaced. Of course in the top tube I would have road it for years if not for the broken drop out.
You're basically asking if bikes can be made of plastic. Sure why not? They just wont be anywhere near as rigid as an alloy or CF bike. I wonder if anyone has made a PVC bike lol
What about carbon composite? I have a d-fuse seatpost. There looks like a line at the bottom going up the inside but it kind of looks like it could be a seam where it just connects?
All carbon fibre is used in a composite. Composite means carbon fibres held together with epoxy or some other resin. What you describe in your seatpost is probably just an excess of resin caused by the moldomg process. Nothing to worry about.
What a guy for flying to the US to repair Js bike!
Rob's been making the rounds on my YT recommendations lately, and while I don't ride a carbon bike my particular type of brainworms demand I absorb any technical information I can find about bike repair. Super informative!
Spent two years finding my dream frame only for my mech hanger to snap and take a chunk out of the seat stay. Just got it back from these guys and the repair they’ve done is amazing. Thanks chaps :)
When did Ray Liotta become a carbon repair guy
Rob is legendary ! cf. flying to us to repair Justin's bike on the fly... that' some extrem dedication to his art!
Duct tape is like "The Force."
It has a light side and a dark side. And binds the Universe together. 🥰 Never leave home without it.
Pete peeve of mine… standby for an expansion of Jimmy’s explanation that no-one else asked for.
Gaffa tape is a fibre reinforced tape that can be torn by shearing it and has a relatively clean edge. Duct tape however is a thinner, non reinforced tape that is somewhat pliable, semi elastic and tears by over-stretching it. It is essentially double width electrical tape with the same conductivity insulating properties. It is used to stretch and wrap around Air-conditioning ‘ducts’.
Hence the name….Duct tape. As always great content from Cade Media 👍
I had the top tube on my Canyon Endurace repaired by a carbon repair guy here in south Florida just over 1 year ago. 15,000miles later and the repair still looks great. He repainted it and refinished it after and it looks as if nothing ever happened. It was a full crack around the whole top tube, right in the middle of the tube. Happened as a result of a collision with a car that made a u turn out of no where right in front of me.
I bought a Giant Defy Advanced (~2012) a couple of years ago from an old guy who had accidentally stuck a metal rod through the back wheel/spokes and fractured the chain stay on one side. A boat builder friend did a carbon repair which is both obvious (8cm long black wrap that kind of looks like duct tape) and very strong. It's my broken wing.
Very informative and I'm glad my frame is aluminium. Still impressed by the repair on Justins bike...that was heroic!
I've never had to repair a bike with duct/gaffa tape, cars yes several of those. Always good to get an expert, cheers Rob.👍
I fixed my cracked seatstay with aluminum can wrapped around it and duct tape on top, though only for indoor trainer use. I repaired it properly with carbon and epoxy later and rode it one summer before finally getting a new frame.
This guy is super knowledgeable. I'd like him living round the corner from me.
Great carbon frame repair 101. Loved it. Plus it's from the legend himself. That's again for the rescue mission to the I
US to fix Justin's bike.
Originally the name came from "duck cloth" that was used for the backing. The product has never had anything to do with ducts. Gaffers tape is similar product that very importantly has synthetic glue that does not leave residue on eqipment and can be removed without stripping paint off surfaces.
Sounds like a really good reason to have a painted carbon bike (rather than one with no paint to save weight) is the paint's ability to reveal potential flaws in the carbon. Stay safe, my friends.
Paint also protects against the UV light if someone's concerned. I rather have paint because it looks cool, not sure I'm a fan of a full all black trend. Nice bike but now everyone's bike looks exactly the same LOL. Let's bring colors back!
@@WepaPix My main road bike is titanium so paint is not an issue for me. But if I had a carbon bike, for safety, protection of the carbon, and COOLNESS it would have the most glorious paint job. Then I would display it on the wall in my living room, where it would be admired by all, but never touched! 🤣🤣🤣
@@SignorLuigi 🤣🤣🤣 btw, have any advice on titanium? I’m looking around for one but it seems rare. Not sure. Thanks!
@@WepaPix I live in the US. After doing my due diligence on researching various US titanium bike manufactures, I decided to buy a Litespeed titanium bike as they hit the value/cost sweet spot for my budget. I did get my bike from them during a 10% off promotion. Every little bit helps. Some of the real high end, boutique titanium bike manufactures in the US are beyond my financial resources. I toured the Litespeed factory in Tennessee before making the purchase as I live in an adjoining state. I liked seeing a fair number of seasoned employees building the bikes. I'm all for promoting apprentice workers. But when it comes to my own bike, I want to know the people building it have been at their craft for a good amount of time. The welds on my bike are beautiful. Good craftsmanship is something I value. I hope this helps a little bit.
@@SignorLuigi Awesome, thanks for the tips. I will check it out. Must have been awesome to see the factory. I’m not close to TN but would be nice someday. Maybe a road trip down south. :)
Always value the expert advice. Love the content that Rob’s been involved in. I would consider carbon repair, if finding a replacement was difficult or too $$$.
5:33 Jimmi beat me to it! I was waiting patiently to mention that at least over here in the US they are completely different kinds of tape. The main feature of gaffer tape, as I understand it, is that it is less likely than other tapes to leave residue and adhesive all over what it was stuck to.
Hello Dan 🙋♀️x
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Jimmy: It's obDUCT tape!
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Jimi = Google Smart
Definitely educational, nice one CB Repair man 👏.
I had a “ah ha” moment about his comment about wrapping bikes in vinyl. He also looks a bit like Ray Liotta
The bike on my pfp broke similar to the Silver TCR y'all used for demonstration when I hit a car that parked on the lane I was riding on(it was a 200 meter road I use for intervals). Difference is the way top tube of my bike is in better condition.
Edit: forgot to mention, but I contacted an expert and it will apparently cost about 150USD to repair
Had 2 mountain bike frames repaired. Both have lasted for 2 and 5 years since the repair. It was cheap and easy.
the guy is legit, knows what he's talking about 👌
The Supreme TCR lives on 😂😂😂😂
Can't be killed, not even by connor in a fiat 500
Have I had a carbon frame cracked and then repaired - Yes. I crashed my 2012 Roubaix in the sprint at the end of "Tour Bxl" - foot came out of the pedal at 40+Km/hr. Went down HARD. Broke my wrist and still rode home unaware I'd cracked the seat tube. Bike shop spotted it when I put in the bike for a post crash test/service. Had the frame professionally repaired - even had a warranty on the repair. Nine months later the crack re-appeared. Had the repair repaired on the warranty of the repair (?!?) but I've now retired this bike to the indoor trainer. It does go outside - but only when I have no other options as my current bike is being repaired etc.
Good point; not all carbon bike repairers are like Rob and CBR. I had my car fixed by some jokers but it broke down again. I took it to a better place and now it’s great.
Duct tape is nick named duck tape from the duck cloth it was originally made from. Duck Tape the brand came later. Gaffer tape is an entirely different product made using cloth vs vinyl. Gaffer tape does not stretch or flex. You're using the wrong term entirely for that product. Never seen gaffer tape anywhere outside a hardware store, but you can find duct tape all over.
You can find Gaffer tape at many places.
I concur with the carbon dude, using x-ray to find fractures is difficult at best. Like a doctor looking at a chest x-ray, you need very keen skills to find whatever you're looking for yet you may still miss things. X-ray is also used extensively in the production of electronics to examine PCBs.
Duct tape is silver & made for permanent adhesion and sealing of household ventilation ducts. Gaffer tape is similar but it is meant to be temporary to fix things on a movie set & pulled up without damage to the surface.
To note: gaffer tape adhesive hardens (bonds) over time.
I had my bike repaired - someone crashed into me and I ended up with a crack in the top tube. The repair was amazing!
Can you do an update on Justin's bike? Curious what happened after the USA tour.
What’s the bets they had a ceremonial bike burning?
It’s been with Rob for a while, updates soon!
@@Cade_Media Still would like to see a FULL Profile onJustin + a Post USA Trip Review with both of You🤔🙂
Rob! The hand cycle savior!
have had a BMC top tube break repaired with Carbon Bike Repair - expensive (but worth it) and bike like new.....
Is this the new Duct Tape Wednesday series? :D
Also, gaffer tape is less sticky than duct tape. Useful for when you're taping cables together that you might want to un-tape without leaving sticky residue behind.
As a cyclist and ex motorcycle racer the 2 things you must have in your toolkit is duct tape and cable ties-you can fix most things-temporarily-with them.
This is by far the funniest video! Love the abduction scenes. 😂
Super cool follow up on this topic from these guys.
You should try out FiberFix (Sort of a metal ducttape) for these kind of rescue missions!
Fun and Knowledge both at ONE Place!
Chain stay with CBR.... very impressive service
4:45 ooh he's got an academy award
Thanks Guys Fantastic educational video👍
Now I know for frame repairs, it's gaffer and not duct tape 👌
Why did I think it was duck tape 🦆 - Anyway, great video 👌🏼
Is that red Walters old bike?!
I’d be interested, following on from the painted / wrapped comments, to know if Rob recommends those ride wrap or invisframe kits for carbon bikes (thinking MTB in particular)?
Interesting, enjoyed watching this, very informative.
Oh cool carbon bike repair
Duct tape and gaffer tape aren't the same. Since forced air heating is unusual in the UK, I can understand it being vague.
[Duct tape is usually constructed using polyethylene whereas gaffer tape is cloth backed and made using a synthetic rubber-based adhesion system. Duct tape can have a shiny, reflective backing which makes it good for use in more industrial settings; whereas gaffer tape is often matte to prevent light reflection.]
- DUCT TAPE OR GAFFER TAPE - WHICH IS BEST?
Gaffer inherently has much greater strength.
Cade Media videos are 🔥!!
More ROB please!
My dudes my two pence.. gaffer is tape made from cloth left exposed.. duct is tape also having a cloth or cloth-like layer but overlayed with plastic.
Had a customer once in the shop who came with a Spezialized Aethos, all the bling, sram red etap and what not. She bought it and on the first proper tour not even a kilometer in another cyclist ran in her side they fell and her top tube cracked.
You only saw a tiny crack but the bike was f-ed up.
This is amazing information! Great content and looking forward to more!!!
oh god instead of risking your life trying this, when you are the hypothetical gas station use the telephone to call someone to pick you up.
There’s that saying; if you can’t fix it with duct tape, you’re not using enough duct tape.
Doesn't GAFFA tape also have less powerful adhesive. Because it's used on stage to tape down cables and stuff and has to be removed in ~24hours without residue?
What about the fork?
I bought a $200 walmart dirt bicycle for $50 recently, but with a snapped fork on one side, missing seat, and i am replacing the back wheel. Its stainless. Do i take it to a prof welder, and then gorilla tape afterwards?
Todd almighty at 0.42. ❤
I just repaired a cracked top tube with carbon fiber and epoxy, its sold as a rock..
5:26 Frames can be compared against others of the same layup and model.
No always true that the paint will crack if the carbon is damaged. Trek replaced my 2006 Madone when they found a crack hidden under the paint of the carbon top tube. Was sent in to have a broken aluminum rear drop out replaced. Of course in the top tube I would have road it for years if not for the broken drop out.
Would a slightly flexible carbon fiber-like material help prevent catastrophic breaks such as shown?
You're basically asking if bikes can be made of plastic. Sure why not? They just wont be anywhere near as rigid as an alloy or CF bike. I wonder if anyone has made a PVC bike lol
@@Omar411269 Plastic only in the strict defiition as in flexible, not in the kind of cheap plastic in your kitchen dishes.
I came back home(36miles) with cracked seat tube. It was so comfy 🤣
Please add some panels to reduce the echo in your new studio.
duct tape is for ducts, ducts being pipes for heating/air conditioning etc
What about carbon composite? I have a d-fuse seatpost. There looks like a line at the bottom going up the inside but it kind of looks like it could be a seam where it just connects?
All carbon fibre is used in a composite. Composite means carbon fibres held together with epoxy or some other resin. What you describe in your seatpost is probably just an excess of resin caused by the moldomg process. Nothing to worry about.
@Charlie thanks! It's been hard to track down a creak with that sestpost. You start over analyzing the problem eventually
Quite educationnal video.
You can repair anything with duct tape!
Looks like the way you stabilise a broken bone !
What about wheels?
Currently riding aluminium frame my next bike will be titanium, keeping well away from carbon.
Once used on a motorcycle like a "superbike" it's a RACETAPE!!!!!
Is that James Jebbia's frame
Option 3, ride a wheelie home 🤣👍
He is very good at.this. I'd liked him to have said that once repaired it'll be stronger. But let's be honest #metalismetal boom
6:25 wrapped bikes ?
Has anybody heard from Francis since his abduction? 🤣👍
Duct Tape can sovle every problem !! If in doubt just use more tape !!
Duct tape is metal tape, Duck tape is a brand!
Jimman: Jimsolution
5:59 Here he thinks paint always breaks away, which isn't true for delamination at all.
Can this duct tape repair my broken heart
So you splint the frame like a broken bone? Huh. I would have never thought of that.
Great, 900g frame, 2kg of duct tape in the kit.
Not a fan of carbon. The only racing I do is strava segments and zwift... Carbon is expensive, fragile if you crash, and terrible for the environment.
Maybe if carbon breaks that easily then you shouldn't waste your money on it? What a crazy idea!
AINT NOTHING a little duct tape can’t fix
I've never know metal bikes to break like this. Just sayin 🤣👍
They still break if you crash them, and they’re much harder to repair.
I have
Really, really good point about rapping bikes. Just no.
Hellooo
Hello
if your german it panzer tape
The best way to avoid cracks in carbon is to ride Titanium.
Casey Neistat vibes
i miss when this channel was documenting the cycling community in london.
Or just ride a titanium bike and never worry about a thing!
Gorilla Tape. Much stronger.
Get a taxi guys
4:30 He thinks you are always able to tell by the paint, and confuses X-ray with ultrasound…!
Ridden worse...
The_redster….Supreme