Through literal days of research and writing, 2 full Audio Recordings, many late nights of editing, and 3 reuploads to fix grammar and spelling (and there are still spelling errors ), I finally bring to you, The Sotha Sil / Clockwork City project. I have spent more time with this video than I have with many of my own friends and family throughout the year. Please, at least leave a like. If you enjoyed the video, tell me in the comments below. If not. Tell me why. If you'd like to subscribe, feel free. Links to my socials below: Discord: discord.gg/kBWbzCt6 Second Channel: th-cam.com/channels/jhNn4bFv_Euylc6HvMB7gw.html Twitch: www.twitch.tv/theemerdareloth Shadow Hide You, - Dareloth
Lord Seht is the only one I would truly trust, though he is tad troubled. Vivec is somewhat reliable but you'd have to be cautious when it comes to his arrogance and narcissism. Almalexia is not to be trusted at all, she is the murderous betrayer and the worst of the anticipations, Boethiah.
@polo5760 Vivec shows signs of remorse in his writings and dialogue. Though he denies murdering Nerevar publicly, he hides messages in the Sermons of his guilt. He also says that his breaking of the oath to Azura is something he deeply regrets. Sotha Sil also states that Vivec and He are both bound together by regret. Almalexia may be the only one of the three who doesn't, which is consistent with how the three are represented. Almalexia, No Regret Sotha Sil, Shows Regret Vivec, A Contradiction of Regret
Hi I’m one of those philosophy-heads you mentioned, I wanna say I wholeheartedly agree with the comparison you make between Sotha Sil and Spinoza’s philosophy, in fact I’ve always had the same kinda intuition when thinking about his character and throughout the video it just kept growing stronger until you literally spoke my mind. I may add that Spinoza was a rationalist, he derived his deterministic pantheism from logical (in his own words geometrical) deductions borne of his own understanding, which I guess totally tracks with Sotha Sil as well. I’d bet that the ppl who wrote his lore actually did have at least some picture of Spinoza in mind when they did. Btw you’ve rightfully pointed out how plain “determinism” was a pretty broad term and the curse of certainty that Sotha Sil talks about I think is also reminiscent of Laplace’s demon, the idea of a being able to gain total knowledge of everything past and future from complete knowledge of one point in time. And it does feel like such a being would struggle with existence in the same way Sotha Sil faces his curse of certainty. And since Sotha Sil is one of my fav elder scroll character as well I’ll continue by saying that Sil’s concept of Anu being the One and crumbling down through the creation of Nirn, even tho it’s probably a stretch, feels like something out of Mainländer and his idea of the decaying corpse of god. Except Sotha Sil would conclude to the exact opposite of him, where instead of accepting the doomed nature of the world and seeking to escape it with ascetism and apathy, he’d want to redeem the world, mend it back through action and investigation. elder scroll lore my dearest for allowing me to shamelessly ramble like an absolute nerd
Sotha Sil may be less godlike of the tribunal in a way. We can actually connect and empathize with him the most, making him feel more close to a mortal than Vivec or Almalexia. He's by far my favorite of the tribunal for that reason.
I'm sure this not a new idea talked about, but if Sotha Sil think's it will take 207 years for the Heart to complete, the time between Morrowind and Oblivion is 6 years and Oblivion and Skyrim is 200. Perhaps related to the "rounding error"? Which means by the time of Skyrim or at least in TES6 the Clockwork Heart will be active and finished.
So, I should've been more clear about this point in the video, but the Mechanical Heart WAS completed by the Factotums after Sotha Sil in the year 4E 201. The time skip between Oblivion and Skyrim is actually 201 years, making your math match up to 207 with the 6 year difference between Morrowind and Oblivion added as well. Whether the Mechanical Heart is still opporational is up for debate.
That first quote, has the be the most interesting part of the philosophy of Sotha Sil "Some say we are the product of our choices. I have found that not to be the case." Because in the mind of the clockwork god, we are but a cog being moved by the mechanics of the greater whole. As someone who has been pushed a number of directions throughout my life against my will, it resonates with me. Edit: Further into the video and you can see in Sotha Sil's quotes he truely follows this philosophy of being a cog in a greater whole. Whether his followers worship or scorn him, he is moved by them and they him. It is still the motion of others that create the self. As someone who enjoys playing tank in WoW I can't move at my pace, though I set it for the party. I am limited by the damage, CC and healing put out by the group, as well as my own. Though the cog around which every else must move, I can only move as fast as they turn.
This was legit great. That art that was your wallpaper is my fave depiction of the Tribunal ever, thanks for introducing us to that art. I appreciate the editing & multiple images & tangents. You don't just repeat the same few images, I appreciate that as someone who looks while I listen.
Sotha Sil sounds like my kind of guy. I'd definitely attempt to follow his path, playing with dwarven metal, mechanisms, and magic. Has me tempted to play ESO
Such a fantastic video bro like this type of video is exactly what I’ve been looking for in terms of depth and straightforwardness. U earned a loyal sub bud! Can’t wait to see what other bomb videos on elder scrolls u make!!!
@@theemerdareloth Unlikely since the start of the timeline (base game) is a fucking mess that gets messier with each expansion built on top of it. And that's not even factoring in Cyrodil/IC, ZOS's "favorite" topic.
My beloved ! He's the only one in the tribunal that I'd actually fight for. Hes a tragic character and has the burden of certainty. He def feels like that one friend we know doenst talk to anyone else, and we always invite him out, but in this case was to kill nerevar and achive godhood (fake, but still counts i guess) hes my all time favourite character in ES ❤
as someone whose only really played Skyrim, it is lovely to learn more about this interesting world. i would love to hear your thoughts on Nocturnal expanded some time.
Oh gods yes, this is a truly awesome video, giving breath to a character that always felt like it was missing. There was one sentence that got caught by my brain, that Vivec wanted to be "all things", I remember his hermaphroditic nature to be brought up more than once online, but what others ways did this show up?
Hold the phone, if the clockwork Lorkhan heart replica is up and running roughly around the time of Skyrim, then the Thalmor's (debated? possible? hypothetical?) plan of bringing down all Towers is simply doomed to fail, with the clockwork heart taking over the duty of what it's imitating. Sotha Sil might just have saved Nirn in his last moments. What a guy.
I think the Mechanical heart just powers the Clockwork city, but the city itself may be a tool for shaping the destiny of Mundus and thus the whole of Aurbis because it is said that Mundus influences all planes of existence or atleast a lot of them.
@@Pomerank420 Counterpoint: Sotha Sil is a perfectionist. Do you really think he'd settle for a lesser, good enough copy? Besides he was aware of his eventual demise, long before his plans could come to full fruition. So he would've, in all probablility, at least tried to leave a legacy that would make his grand vision possible. A re-merged Nirn would need a restructuring on a massive scale. It's not too hard to imagine it might have required an artificial Tower anyway. Losing control of the Heart probably only upped the pressure to speed up his plans. But obviously this is speculation on my part. I lack Sotha Sil's absolute foresight.
Out of the entire tribunal sotha sil is the most deserving of forgiveness he sought to lead others to a better life and remembered his humanity through godhood Also check out the concept art for the murder of nerivar sotha is just there holding nerivars face
Fantastic video! I always liked Sotha Sil from only playing Morrowind but I never knew all the other things he's been up to before all that. What a cool guy.
Truly poetic how he used dwemer tools in pursuit of the opposite goal. Sad he fell for gnostic delusion - bane of all elves it seems. Also reminds me of a nicer, less forceful and more committed version of Viktor from Arcane.
Sotha and his city is what literally forced me into ESO. I played it during beta in 2013 and h(ated every minute of it, then tried to come back with Morrowind (bought it and never played), then finally with the Clockwork City I grabbed my level one sorc and endured all the Clockwork timeline and it was sooo enjoyable I stayed in game for yrs! Till this day Clockwork city is my absolute favorite. They did a great justice to the story of Sotha, can't say the same about other Tribunal. Vivec story was not even about him per se, and Alma I don't even remember doing because of how bland and boring it was. But Clockwork? Masterpiece in design and storytelling.
I loved the video, and agree that Sotha Sil is such an interesting character. Way back in 2002 he intrigued me and i was gutted we never got to talk to him then. As an incredibly minor quibble, unless memory fails me, Almalexia killing him took place during the Tribunal dlc, not before, as she had to use the ring the Nerevarine obtained for her to breach the clockwork city. I hope i'm not talking out of my ass here, because to me it added to how disturbing her madness was, that while manipulating the hell out of your character, she also went on a side quest to kill a fellow god.
Ahh, yeah I may have goofed up the timeline slightly there. I'm playing through Tribunal right now on the channel. About to get Barilzar's Mazed Band soon here.
I always felt like there is some connection between Sotha Sil and Jyggalag. They both pursue perfect order and go mad in the process. Jyggalag literally by becoming Sheogorath and Sotha Sil by being more and more secluded from society. In Tribunal Sotha Sil is even called mad god but that is actually revealed to be Almalexia. Another connection is that Jyggalag was supposedly feared by other Daedric princes which is why they cursed him with madness and Sotha Sil made 8 Daedric princes to agree on Coldharbour Compact by means that are not public so perhaps they feared him too. It is also said that Jyggalags realm expanded in Oblivion and his realm was ordered so it is similar to Sotha Sils sealing of the gaps where Daedra are.
Absolutely. One of the volumes of the Truth in Sequence actually makes mention of Jyggalag, citing Seht as the reason for his madness. Definitely some connections between the two.
As a philosophy major and as someone who has studied a lot of religions, it does sound a lot like pantheism. I can't recall any forms of pantheism that have something aside from god, even if Sothis calls the Daedra nothing. I do really like the idea of Daedra being the crack in reality manifested. It seems unclear why you wouldn't just lump everything as shards of the divine, when we know that Daedra are not the only beings that do bad stuff so I wouldn't see any worry of tainting the divine and you could simply say they are the gears in need of the most repair. Jyggalag being a prince of order also seems to throw a wrench in Daedra being unrelated, but Jyggalag is just weird in general lore wise. Another take on the Determinism angle, this could possibly be a consequence of his apotheosis. You run into contradictions with being able to know everything and having free will. More of an argument against gods, or at least the benefits of being one, than anything else.
It's kinda funny how almost every time I see a video involving ESO lore, there will always be a point in the video where the author lets out a deep sigh.
Trying my best to avoid story spoilers here, but: If you're ever interested in other fictional universes, the Viktor in the Arcane series (not the Dr. Doom League one) is VERY similar to ESO Sotha Sil in so many ways, I started to wonder if the writers for the show ever read about TES. There's the voice work (the filters and all), the philosophy (pursuit of a perfectly working world, dichotomy of free will and determinism), the compassionate but somewhat detached personality, and the whole 'ascended deity of logic' thing they got going on. Not to mention they're both brilliant inventors, but Viktor in the series went a little too far on metaphysical cosmic magic instead of focusing on that part of his character. Sorry for the yapping; just had to voice that out somewhere.
Bruh. My editing software doesn't have a spell checker, I reuploaded this 4 times to correct spelling and grammar already and somehow I missed that every time.
Honestly I think Vivec died as well, either slain by the Nerevarine or perhaps himself. I seriously doubt he would stay idle during the Oblivion Crisis, Red Year and Argonian Invasion if he were still alive, even without the Heart he was still powerful enough to be of use in those situations.
I'm gonna preface this by saying this is a good video and is no way a dig on you. I'm gonna go way against the grain and say that Sotha Sil is my least favorite of the three, because he's unsatisfying - We only ever see him at his peak, without flaws. Vivec is a boy-whore punk with a vindictive streak (a warrior-poet and god of sex), and Almalexia is a murderous narcissist (god of mercy). It's complex. Two of the three get divinity, and never really figure out how to use it to become gods, because they can never overcome the flaw of their mortality. Sotha Sil...is a hyper-fixated good guy with a fatalist streak? Tribunal sort of suggests that his flaw was just that no matter how inwardly-focused he became, he couldn't preserve his own life. It's not fantastic writing, but it's thematically consistent, and you can extrapolate how that flaw led to his end. Most of all, it works with his total lack of presence in the game. If ESO is going to give him these grand designs, it doesn't gel with previous works when it doesn't blow up in his face somehow, or collapse in some poetic fashion. We haven't actually seen what became of the Clockwork City yet, aside from a momentary visit in Legends, so I suppose it's still possible, but I think it's just gonna be left as is.
I kinda agree with you here but as far as flaws goes I think there's a deep hypocrisy that's implied in Sotha Sil's character. As if all the detachment he professes is a way for him to avoid questionning the wrong he's done in order to get where he is. He's always kind of felt like the passive third of the trio ever since he was rescued by Vivec and just kept following the grown-ups, those who actually take the responsibility of initiative, and of failure if it comes to it. Even in the infamous Kirkbride illustration of the foul murder, he's standing there looking away like "aight you guys do your thing I'll pretend I didn't see that". Just like Vivec and Almalexia he had lust for power, in his case driven and to his mind excused by the pursuit of knowledge, and he happened to be in the same boat as individuals more apt to enact their ambitions, so it was easy for him to just tag along and reap the benefits. Then we can see the whole philosophy he's developed once reaching godhood to be a retroactive justification of his place in the grand scheme of things. Things had to be this way, because there was no other possible course of events. Again, he gets to selfishly shield himself from moral questioning. And that allows him to build on top of that the idea that what he'll do as a god now will be the one true good thing to do, even painting himself as some kind of martyr compelled by purely logical necessity. There's a trend of him slithering around taking responsibility for his actions and convincing himself his approach is actually the righteous one. To me that's why he's barely present in game and much more discrete than the others in lore (can't really say about ESO tho since I haven't played it), maintaining that remoteness from the world makes it easier to avoid looking at what could poke hole in his neat little system. But maybe that's a bit of headcanons on my part
I can respect that viewpoint. I find all three of them to be extremely interesting. Sotha Sil stands out to me, though, because I really enjoy his philosophy and his goals, and I've never seen Vivec or Almalexia as really having an external goal outside of being a god.
Through literal days of research and writing, 2 full Audio Recordings, many late nights of editing, and 3 reuploads to fix grammar and spelling (and there are still spelling errors ), I finally bring to you, The Sotha Sil / Clockwork City project.
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It is unfortunate that this time in the First Era was so indiscriminate though :'( /lh
I'm assuming the word was meant to be indeterminate?
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Sotha Sil is the only false-God it's okay to like. Great video :)
Sotha Sil the goat of the tribunal. And probably the only one i would trust.
@@polo5760 I may trust him more than the other two, but he did break his oath not to use the tools of kagrenac and assisted in killing Nerevar…
@themilkman7921 True he did, but if my memory is correct he's the only one that actually regrets it to a degree.
Lord Seht is the only one I would truly trust, though he is tad troubled. Vivec is somewhat reliable but you'd have to be cautious when it comes to his arrogance and narcissism. Almalexia is not to be trusted at all, she is the murderous betrayer and the worst of the anticipations, Boethiah.
@@polo5760fair enough 👍
@polo5760 Vivec shows signs of remorse in his writings and dialogue. Though he denies murdering Nerevar publicly, he hides messages in the Sermons of his guilt. He also says that his breaking of the oath to Azura is something he deeply regrets.
Sotha Sil also states that Vivec and He are both bound together by regret.
Almalexia may be the only one of the three who doesn't, which is consistent with how the three are represented.
Almalexia, No Regret
Sotha Sil, Shows Regret
Vivec, A Contradiction of Regret
Definitely one of the most complex and interesting Elder Scrolls characters, which is pretty fitting considering his divine sphere of influence.
Hi I’m one of those philosophy-heads you mentioned, I wanna say I wholeheartedly agree with the comparison you make between Sotha Sil and Spinoza’s philosophy, in fact I’ve always had the same kinda intuition when thinking about his character and throughout the video it just kept growing stronger until you literally spoke my mind. I may add that Spinoza was a rationalist, he derived his deterministic pantheism from logical (in his own words geometrical) deductions borne of his own understanding, which I guess totally tracks with Sotha Sil as well. I’d bet that the ppl who wrote his lore actually did have at least some picture of Spinoza in mind when they did.
Btw you’ve rightfully pointed out how plain “determinism” was a pretty broad term and the curse of certainty that Sotha Sil talks about I think is also reminiscent of Laplace’s demon, the idea of a being able to gain total knowledge of everything past and future from complete knowledge of one point in time. And it does feel like such a being would struggle with existence in the same way Sotha Sil faces his curse of certainty.
And since Sotha Sil is one of my fav elder scroll character as well I’ll continue by saying that Sil’s concept of Anu being the One and crumbling down through the creation of Nirn, even tho it’s probably a stretch, feels like something out of Mainländer and his idea of the decaying corpse of god. Except Sotha Sil would conclude to the exact opposite of him, where instead of accepting the doomed nature of the world and seeking to escape it with ascetism and apathy, he’d want to redeem the world, mend it back through action and investigation.
elder scroll lore my dearest for allowing me to shamelessly ramble like an absolute nerd
Glad to know my philosophy minor finally paid off.
Sotha Sil may be less godlike of the tribunal in a way.
We can actually connect and empathize with him the most, making him feel more close to a mortal than Vivec or Almalexia.
He's by far my favorite of the tribunal for that reason.
I find the scene of discovering his body in MW unbearably tragic.
This HAS to blow up, this is your best one yet! (Among the already other great Lore Vids)
I'm sure this not a new idea talked about, but if Sotha Sil think's it will take 207 years for the Heart to complete, the time between Morrowind and Oblivion is 6 years and Oblivion and Skyrim is 200. Perhaps related to the "rounding error"? Which means by the time of Skyrim or at least in TES6 the Clockwork Heart will be active and finished.
So, I should've been more clear about this point in the video, but the Mechanical Heart WAS completed by the Factotums after Sotha Sil in the year 4E 201.
The time skip between Oblivion and Skyrim is actually 201 years, making your math match up to 207 with the 6 year difference between Morrowind and Oblivion added as well.
Whether the Mechanical Heart is still opporational is up for debate.
Playing Daggerfall listening to Elder Scrolls lore rn
This is chill af
That first quote, has the be the most interesting part of the philosophy of Sotha Sil "Some say we are the product of our choices. I have found that not to be the case."
Because in the mind of the clockwork god, we are but a cog being moved by the mechanics of the greater whole.
As someone who has been pushed a number of directions throughout my life against my will, it resonates with me.
Edit: Further into the video and you can see in Sotha Sil's quotes he truely follows this philosophy of being a cog in a greater whole. Whether his followers worship or scorn him, he is moved by them and they him. It is still the motion of others that create the self.
As someone who enjoys playing tank in WoW I can't move at my pace, though I set it for the party. I am limited by the damage, CC and healing put out by the group, as well as my own. Though the cog around which every else must move, I can only move as fast as they turn.
This was legit great. That art that was your wallpaper is my fave depiction of the Tribunal ever, thanks for introducing us to that art. I appreciate the editing & multiple images & tangents. You don't just repeat the same few images, I appreciate that as someone who looks while I listen.
Sotha Sil sounds like my kind of guy. I'd definitely attempt to follow his path, playing with dwarven metal, mechanisms, and magic.
Has me tempted to play ESO
Such a fantastic video bro like this type of video is exactly what I’ve been looking for in terms of depth and straightforwardness. U earned a loyal sub bud! Can’t wait to see what other bomb videos on elder scrolls u make!!!
Ah, my favorite character, Dumac Dawrf King 3:46
Be far and away my favorite elder scrolls lore content creator. Keep going!
That bit about 2E 582 hit me so hard, holy shit...
It's so bad, it's been 10 years like give me a CRUMB of a timeline please.
@@theemerdareloth Unlikely since the start of the timeline (base game) is a fucking mess that gets messier with each expansion built on top of it.
And that's not even factoring in Cyrodil/IC, ZOS's "favorite" topic.
My beloved !
He's the only one in the tribunal that I'd actually fight for. Hes a tragic character and has the burden of certainty. He def feels like that one friend we know doenst talk to anyone else, and we always invite him out, but in this case was to kill nerevar and achive godhood (fake, but still counts i guess)
hes my all time favourite character in ES ❤
as someone whose only really played Skyrim, it is lovely to learn more about this interesting world. i would love to hear your thoughts on Nocturnal expanded some time.
I've been so excited for this video, glad it's finally out!
Oh gods yes, this is a truly awesome video, giving breath to a character that always felt like it was missing.
There was one sentence that got caught by my brain, that Vivec wanted to be "all things", I remember his hermaphroditic nature to be brought up more than once online, but what others ways did this show up?
Excellent video man! I didn't know how much I'd learn that I wasn't already aware of- but I have gained an abundance of knowledge. Thank you man!
Dispite the over abundance of Elder Scrolls lore, your stuff is good.
I've never played eso so it's awesome seeing this stuff I've never seen
cool video, its nice to learn some more deep lore of Nirn, and nice voice!
Well composed, great narrative, very insightful, enjoyable both to listen to and watch. Awesome work!
What an awesome retelling of this beautiful story. Great video, my friend!
Hold the phone, if the clockwork Lorkhan heart replica is up and running roughly around the time of Skyrim, then the Thalmor's (debated? possible? hypothetical?) plan of bringing down all Towers is simply doomed to fail, with the clockwork heart taking over the duty of what it's imitating. Sotha Sil might just have saved Nirn in his last moments. What a guy.
Seems like BGS really needs to make one of the endings of Return to the Clockwork City canon.
I think the Mechanical heart just powers the Clockwork city, but the city itself may be a tool for shaping the destiny of Mundus and thus the whole of Aurbis because it is said that Mundus influences all planes of existence or atleast a lot of them.
@@Pomerank420 Counterpoint: Sotha Sil is a perfectionist. Do you really think he'd settle for a lesser, good enough copy? Besides he was aware of his eventual demise, long before his plans could come to full fruition. So he would've, in all probablility, at least tried to leave a legacy that would make his grand vision possible. A re-merged Nirn would need a restructuring on a massive scale. It's not too hard to imagine it might have required an artificial Tower anyway. Losing control of the Heart probably only upped the pressure to speed up his plans.
But obviously this is speculation on my part. I lack Sotha Sil's absolute foresight.
Out of the entire tribunal sotha sil is the most deserving of forgiveness he sought to lead others to a better life and remembered his humanity through godhood
Also check out the concept art for the murder of nerivar sotha is just there holding nerivars face
Fantastic video! I always liked Sotha Sil from only playing Morrowind but I never knew all the other things he's been up to before all that. What a cool guy.
wonderful video thank you so much i love your work next paycheck ill become a member
This has cemented Sotha Sil as my favorite elder scrolls character
I still think its was such a shame we didnt get more or anything :D of Sil in vanilla/dlc Morrowind. Was the nr1 "Gods" I wanted to know more of.
Truly poetic how he used dwemer tools in pursuit of the opposite goal.
Sad he fell for gnostic delusion - bane of all elves it seems.
Also reminds me of a nicer, less forceful and more committed version of Viktor from Arcane.
great video man, enjoyed it greatly
Sotha and his city is what literally forced me into ESO.
I played it during beta in 2013 and h(ated every minute of it, then tried to come back with Morrowind (bought it and never played), then finally with the Clockwork City I grabbed my level one sorc and endured all the Clockwork timeline and it was sooo enjoyable I stayed in game for yrs!
Till this day Clockwork city is my absolute favorite. They did a great justice to the story of Sotha, can't say the same about other Tribunal. Vivec story was not even about him per se, and Alma I don't even remember doing because of how bland and boring it was.
But Clockwork? Masterpiece in design and storytelling.
Morrowind is my favorite RPG of all time… Wish Bethesda still had people with this level of imagination on staff.
I've been waiting for a good video on Sotha Sil for so long. I don't think I've ever clicked on a video so fast before 😂
Just what I needed
A video from Dareloth on my favorite TES character?? I used to dream of days like this...
Do Almalexia/Ayem, "The Lady of Mercy" next.
3:10 That's some Chad Nerevar there.
I loved the video, and agree that Sotha Sil is such an interesting character. Way back in 2002 he intrigued me and i was gutted we never got to talk to him then.
As an incredibly minor quibble, unless memory fails me, Almalexia killing him took place during the Tribunal dlc, not before, as she had to use the ring the Nerevarine obtained for her to breach the clockwork city. I hope i'm not talking out of my ass here, because to me it added to how disturbing her madness was, that while manipulating the hell out of your character, she also went on a side quest to kill a fellow god.
Ahh, yeah I may have goofed up the timeline slightly there. I'm playing through Tribunal right now on the channel. About to get Barilzar's Mazed Band soon here.
goated loredump
Very interesting vid. thank you. :)
Live Laugh Love Sotha Sil
When your Sotha Sil, the clockwork God and member of the tribunal, but your just a chill guy
mfw when i hesr my first snd last name mid video. Absolutely loved this!
I hate Almalexia
I wish more people would cosplay her tho.
im glad that its taken so long to get ES6 that ive started to witness a rise in older elder scrolls content
The only upside to TES VI's insanely long release cycle
I always felt like there is some connection between Sotha Sil and Jyggalag. They both pursue perfect order and go mad in the process. Jyggalag literally by becoming Sheogorath and Sotha Sil by being more and more secluded from society. In Tribunal Sotha Sil is even called mad god but that is actually revealed to be Almalexia. Another connection is that Jyggalag was supposedly feared by other Daedric princes which is why they cursed him with madness and Sotha Sil made 8 Daedric princes to agree on Coldharbour Compact by means that are not public so perhaps they feared him too. It is also said that Jyggalags realm expanded in Oblivion and his realm was ordered so it is similar to Sotha Sils sealing of the gaps where Daedra are.
Absolutely. One of the volumes of the Truth in Sequence actually makes mention of Jyggalag, citing Seht as the reason for his madness. Definitely some connections between the two.
As a philosophy major and as someone who has studied a lot of religions, it does sound a lot like pantheism. I can't recall any forms of pantheism that have something aside from god, even if Sothis calls the Daedra nothing. I do really like the idea of Daedra being the crack in reality manifested.
It seems unclear why you wouldn't just lump everything as shards of the divine, when we know that Daedra are not the only beings that do bad stuff so I wouldn't see any worry of tainting the divine and you could simply say they are the gears in need of the most repair.
Jyggalag being a prince of order also seems to throw a wrench in Daedra being unrelated, but Jyggalag is just weird in general lore wise.
Another take on the Determinism angle, this could possibly be a consequence of his apotheosis. You run into contradictions with being able to know everything and having free will. More of an argument against gods, or at least the benefits of being one, than anything else.
November 31st, right on time!
A wizard is never late nor early, a wizard arrives exactly when they mean to.
3rd watch in one day. Its a good run down though.
Thanks for putting up with all the reuploads haha
@@theemerdareloth Totally worth it. It makes me want to restart my Sotha Sil Rp. I have alot more to use.
THANKS!
great video
It's kinda funny how almost every time I see a video involving ESO lore, there will always be a point in the video where the author lets out a deep sigh.
Had to vent a little bit about Nocturnal's treatment
@4:01 The First Counil
Nice video, me matey. 😄
Vekh giving Ayem and Seht a proper burial is not canon because he was the first of the False Gods to die, by the hand of Nerevar Reborn, of course.
What happened to Nerevar's original body?
Honestly, that's a great question. I don't know if there's an answer to that, actually.
Nice video I’ll have 100000 more please
Trying my best to avoid story spoilers here, but: If you're ever interested in other fictional universes, the Viktor in the Arcane series (not the Dr. Doom League one) is VERY similar to ESO Sotha Sil in so many ways, I started to wonder if the writers for the show ever read about TES.
There's the voice work (the filters and all), the philosophy (pursuit of a perfectly working world, dichotomy of free will and determinism), the compassionate but somewhat detached personality, and the whole 'ascended deity of logic' thing they got going on.
Not to mention they're both brilliant inventors, but Viktor in the series went a little too far on metaphysical cosmic magic instead of focusing on that part of his character.
Sorry for the yapping; just had to voice that out somewhere.
Hell yeah
more like the first COUNIL! 04:01
*Submit to the Three, the Spirits, and thy Lords…*
Signal boost buddy
4:02 The First Counil 😂
Bruh. My editing software doesn't have a spell checker, I reuploaded this 4 times to correct spelling and grammar already and somehow I missed that every time.
@ just blame it on autocorrect. It’s what I do.
I think Sotha Sil fits more into Hindu Brahman and related concepts than Spinoza's God
Christian here: All is a facet of God but not the whole.
I am thinking about buying Morrowind, should I or not?
Sotha Silly
So did Almalexia have an affair with Vivec? Since she baked her own husband?
Well I can't do a share but I can do a like and comment o7
Honestly I think Vivec died as well, either slain by the Nerevarine or perhaps himself. I seriously doubt he would stay idle during the Oblivion Crisis, Red Year and Argonian Invasion if he were still alive, even without the Heart he was still powerful enough to be of use in those situations.
ESO slop in every TES video these days...
Damn, Im the second view, the second like and the second comment of this video, lol.
That means you're NEXT for #1!
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Number 1 of what?
I'm gonna preface this by saying this is a good video and is no way a dig on you.
I'm gonna go way against the grain and say that Sotha Sil is my least favorite of the three, because he's unsatisfying - We only ever see him at his peak, without flaws. Vivec is a boy-whore punk with a vindictive streak (a warrior-poet and god of sex), and Almalexia is a murderous narcissist (god of mercy). It's complex. Two of the three get divinity, and never really figure out how to use it to become gods, because they can never overcome the flaw of their mortality. Sotha Sil...is a hyper-fixated good guy with a fatalist streak?
Tribunal sort of suggests that his flaw was just that no matter how inwardly-focused he became, he couldn't preserve his own life. It's not fantastic writing, but it's thematically consistent, and you can extrapolate how that flaw led to his end. Most of all, it works with his total lack of presence in the game.
If ESO is going to give him these grand designs, it doesn't gel with previous works when it doesn't blow up in his face somehow, or collapse in some poetic fashion. We haven't actually seen what became of the Clockwork City yet, aside from a momentary visit in Legends, so I suppose it's still possible, but I think it's just gonna be left as is.
I kinda agree with you here but as far as flaws goes I think there's a deep hypocrisy that's implied in Sotha Sil's character. As if all the detachment he professes is a way for him to avoid questionning the wrong he's done in order to get where he is. He's always kind of felt like the passive third of the trio ever since he was rescued by Vivec and just kept following the grown-ups, those who actually take the responsibility of initiative, and of failure if it comes to it. Even in the infamous Kirkbride illustration of the foul murder, he's standing there looking away like "aight you guys do your thing I'll pretend I didn't see that". Just like Vivec and Almalexia he had lust for power, in his case driven and to his mind excused by the pursuit of knowledge, and he happened to be in the same boat as individuals more apt to enact their ambitions, so it was easy for him to just tag along and reap the benefits. Then we can see the whole philosophy he's developed once reaching godhood to be a retroactive justification of his place in the grand scheme of things. Things had to be this way, because there was no other possible course of events. Again, he gets to selfishly shield himself from moral questioning. And that allows him to build on top of that the idea that what he'll do as a god now will be the one true good thing to do, even painting himself as some kind of martyr compelled by purely logical necessity. There's a trend of him slithering around taking responsibility for his actions and convincing himself his approach is actually the righteous one. To me that's why he's barely present in game and much more discrete than the others in lore (can't really say about ESO tho since I haven't played it), maintaining that remoteness from the world makes it easier to avoid looking at what could poke hole in his neat little system. But maybe that's a bit of headcanons on my part
I can respect that viewpoint. I find all three of them to be extremely interesting. Sotha Sil stands out to me, though, because I really enjoy his philosophy and his goals, and I've never seen Vivec or Almalexia as really having an external goal outside of being a god.
I really like this interpretation.
So did Almalexia have an affair with Vivec? Since she baked her own husband?