Why the CFMoto 800NK is a serious challenger to the Suzuki GSX-8S and Honda Hornet | MCN Review
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Road Tester, Carl has been up and out to ride the latest CF Moto 800NK naked - an affordable alternative to the latest Honda CB750 Hornet. Read our full web review here: www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-r...
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The design is quite nice actually. This is what Honda was probably going for with their hornet.
looks better than the hornet
lol Honda don’t offer anything this bike has
Just saw one today at the dealers, it blew me away. The touchscreen thing is another realely cool option on it
That would be the advanced version is technically a different bike on paper. Great choice as they have android auto and apple car play I'm pretty sure
I ordered mine a month ago. I had to wait for the last 2k I needed to put aside and also they had in stock only A2 restricted model (47HP for beginner). I had to wait for them to send the ÉCU to the manufacturer for them to flash it. They are not allowed to do it themself.
I will collect it in few days.
I was looking for something fun to ride. Around 100HP seems nice. The street triple put a smile on my face but at 13k€ vs 8.5k€ I couldn’t find a reason why to spend more. I test ride the 8S and the hornet (several others but those are the competitor) and I love them all about the fun they provide. I cannot go with the new hornet design ( I dreamed about it when I was a teenager) and really hesitated with the Suzuki. I bet on the CFMoto because of the look, the tech and the 5 years warranty. Will see but I had good feedback back from 2 800MT owner (ATV version). So let ride and come back in a few thousand km. I already have a shorty IXIL to swap ;)
Can't wait to buy my new CF 800 NK ❤
I'm still #TeamSuzuki ❤
I wish they would have kept the separate double mufflers of the prototype...it looked awesome...
This muffler is still better than the KTM banana
cant wait to get ours!
I’ve had my 300nk for 1 year and 10k miles and haven’t had a single problem with it
I'd be mindful of the residual value. It will shed more cash over 3 years than the Hornet.
Good for second hand buyers☺
cfmoto is a new underrated challenger, been using the nk400 for 2 years, no problem at all
Thats a piece of garbage. Rusty and unreliable as hell.😂 Owned a nk300. Never have regretted buying a bike before that bike.
@@aashishnakarmi1690 cf moto’s machines before the 450SR are indeed not very reliable.🤣
I like everything about this bike better than the Hornet, MT07 and GSX-S8. The only thing that concerns me is depreciation.
And Reliability..😅
@@abymathew295It has KTM mechanics, unless thats what you mean ...
The 790 Duke is built by CFmoto in China too.
@@Daniel-gb9ex .People are always skeptical about KTMs reliability, do you think that they will ever buy a Franken KTM from China now..🤕🤕
@@abymathew295 If it comes to my country at the same price as the Hornet or cheaper I might
@@Daniel-gb9ex Just get 1 year old Hornet or GX8 with 5k miles or less
I’m not usually a fan of naked bikes, but this 800NK looks really good! 👍🏼
CFMOTO are coming out with some really nice looking bikes with excellent tech too! I can’t wait to see the 500SR and 675SR sports bikes!
They 'll need to improve their dealer network. My closest cf dealer is a 2nd rate used car lot (one of those 'buy here pay here' places) they told me they had "every model" but it turns out they don't carry the motorcycles, just atvs... They're not known for their service/repair dept either.
Sounds like they got the spec bang on. Riders aids aren’t needed on sub 100hp bikes, quick shifters are over rated,. Adjustable suspension, big tank and cruise are massive plus points.
Can you get the quickshifter as an option on the base bike ?
Does the base bike have a slipper clutch ?
yes
@@simonfuller7331this answer is at the same time irrelevant (asked 2 questions - 1 answer) and false. No QS as option on the base model but yes for the slipper clutch as the 790/890 have (same plateforme
Like Chinese food, sounds like a tasty idea but always leaves you wanting more in the end.
Basically a 790 duke with different clothes and brand. Bound to be a great little bike which is what cfmoto needs. Now, wrap some fairings on it, put some clip on bars on it and market it to compete against the Yamaha r7 and aprilia rs660!
Exactly. They already have the 450SR which is a stunning looking bike. Saw it in the flesh a few days ago. But they should make it bigger. At 6´1" the 450 felt like it was left in the dryer too long.
It already has an adventure counterpart. Which also got released first.
Have done 36,000kms on my ktm790 and think I’ve found my next one 😂
What is the ground clearance of this bike?
Does it need traction control? That would probably sway me towards the Suzuki. The 800nk does look like a fun package
Here in south america, the nk800 already arrived, while we are still waiting for the Suzuki and the Honda. Cf Moto, seems better at getting their products to these markets.
I mean it's not like the USA has had trouble in recent decades getting China crap into the country.
In other review it’s said that the suspension are a bit softer and less sporty than for example the Ktm, also you didn’t talk about the brake, how do they compare against the rivals.
it has the same J.Juan brakes as the duke790.
is your top "Alpine Stars" the chinese version of "AlpineStar" ?
Currently duke 790 at promo price on my country which only 1k$ difference.
Great review young man.
I agree it won’t be long before some Chinese brands start being taken seriously. Though I a bad experience with RA 200 scooter with premature bearing failure and a known fault with speedos which the importer Moto GB took an age to address.
But as I said it won’t be long before Chinese brands will become credible.
Exactly the same happened with the Japanese bikes in the 60's. Dismissed, until people realised how good they were and how bad British bikes were.
@@MianCowellyet there is a massive difference mate.
Japanese have always proved to be a guarantee of quality while the "Made in China" was always a guarantee of big problems.
And no, I can't see any serious biker coming from Japanese or European bike and buying Chinese porcelain. For multiple reasons.
It would mostly be new riders with zero motorcycling background, no friends or family members with biking experience.
@@ducedevlstear2471 sounds like you havent ridden a newer chinese bike mate. I own and ride a CF Moto 800MT which is a KTM engine basically, and have clocked 9000km since Jan this year. Has not missed a beat in all sorts of weather and road conditions. Been riding for 10+ years too along with owning a Husky 701SM and 1290 Super Duke.
Used to have an RSV Mille but that caused tenfold more issues than the CF ever has and the Ape was a garage queen.
So how about we piss off with this stupid generalization all the time and actually go try ride em aye? Youll be surprised. Or live with your head in the sand. The choice is yours.
@@Skeptisis no I haven't and never desired to. Glad you enjoy yours but Yes, the choice is mine and I'm not going to gamble my money on one.
Btw, 9k isn't a massive number.
@@ducedevlstear2471 It is literally a rebadged 790 Adventure basically but sure lmao, Dont trust it cause Made In China like 90% of stuff ya got.
9k km in less than 7 months is quite a lot, overall no, but I certainly abuse the hell out of the bike over those 9k km
Looks like a good bike. I like its looks from the front. I certainly like it better than the Hornet. I'd have the higher seat. The basic model looks better. I dislike oversized TFTs.
Good review.
It's a good value before the reliability comes into equation.
@@ducedevlstear2471 I wouldn't assume CFMotos to be unreliable. Someone I used to know rode one from China to England ages ago. No issues with it and they have improved.
1700 miles on my 300nk so far and a wreck later, still going strong! Oh yeah, I also drilled through some wires and blew a fuse...disregard that though 😂
@@user-sw2lv3zp6o that claim is really wild and to believe I need a lot more than a comment section claim.
@@ducedevlstear2471 What claim?
You said it's the same engine as the KTM 790 Duke but KTM has recently updated that line-up with he 890 Duke. Does that mean that this CFMoto is using an older KTM engine?
The LC8 engine is found both in the 790 and 890. Engines are pretty much the same, just the 890 has a slightly bigger volume and hp.
the 790 is actually back, it was indeed replaced by the 890, but they brought it back, only now it's manufactured by CFmoto, so it is in fact the same engine
Chinese proving that there is nothing expensive about cruise control. Other manufacturers locking it behind a price point are just being dingle-berries.
XSR900 has it, without the need for expensive electronic packages.
Good looking bike, but for the same money as the Hornet, I don't think so.
How much will it be worth when you come to sell/trade it in compared to the Honda?
How much KPL does this bike have?
In New Zealand the 800NK Advanced is $13,500 and the Honda Hornet CB750 is $16,000. It's a no brainer. I think I would prefer to save some more money and get a Yamaha MT09 though. Plenty of time to think about it while I save.
If the deal with cf moto is the same that wv group or wich ever it is used with audi and skoda its actually priced realistically. Without the badge markup. How bikes should be. And it looks like a really good way to go.
So many choices within this classs... lucky us
If the Advanced came in at that price point, they’d have half a chance. Still no traction control is a big miss of a feature for some hooligans😉 Suzuki for me, easily.
Hooligans want traction control???
Hooligans turn TC off. :)
Its such a looker😮
If i was in the market I'd save a little more and get either Aprilia or Street Triple. Chinese bike would never come close to consideration.
The triumph street triple is a far better bike and has power but its a few grand more but worth the extra. 765cc triple is enough and the engine is well proven and handling is faultless.
Not evert one Has an "Extra" ,Few Grand. These Days
Yeah and a Rolex is just "a few grand more" than a Seiko.
@@jefflambert8603 exactly. getting a bike that is still great without having spend "a few extra grand"
Thats a good looking bike
Exactly
No issues after 8000kms for me and I have seen many more across the bike world from all the big brands having worked in the industry myself, all things will have gremlins etc some more than others, however what this offers from standard, quick shift, massive CarPlay enabled dash, keyless ride, backlit switches, cruise control, name a bike that has that in this category the usb is arbitrary and at the price a dealer would include it easily. Overall it’s a tech rich, performance driven, value, sharp looking bike. Other manufacturers are genuinely sitting around twiddling thumbs
How many liters does your motorcycle consume per 100 km?
@@Duusska 4.5-5.3
strange that MCN didnt do a proper h2h test agains 8s and Honda
has it the same engine like in the mt800?
Yes but with a sport mode which is just devil
We have two cf moto farm bikes for our dairy farm and they are always cakes in mud and he have 20,000kms on each (quite a few for a farm bike always covered in mud) and we have only broken a 4wd drive shaft on one of them and it was really a problem to be honest
looks better than both imo but what's the reliability like? honda are honda and every Suzuki I have had the engine just doesn't die no matter how hard u rag the nuts off it, also nice review and well spoken I thoroughly enjoyed the vid :)
4 year warranty though so....
I mean, any engine will die if you run it hard enough for long enough. That’s just reality. Even DRZ400SMs need rebuilds because people ride them to the redline like a bunch of hooligans. As far as CFMoto reliability, I never had any problems with my 650. They just copied the old kawa engine for that bike though. This engine will only have as many problems as KTM engines
I will get a first gen Hayabusa for the same money….and more comfort😂😂😂
When is this gonna hit the US?
dealer support, spare parts?
I got one CFMoto dealer by me that sells Japanese bikes right along them… doesn’t make any sense because if you have a brain you’ll buy Japanese
If anything this looks better than the KTM 790.
Rode this bike at a demo day today. It was great! This bike though kind of sucks around town. This thing wants to be unleashed at low speeds its very twitchy. But this thing wants to eat breaks were a little spongy compared to the 450ss breaks. But overall monster of a machine
For my money it's the Honda 👌🏻
Biggest tank in the sector?(15liter). I though the hornet was 15.2 liter?
The Hornet has. You’d think they would do the homework
@@Steve-motorcycleswell we did! ;)
Why can't we just go back to the ubiquitous 17L (4.5gal) tanks and quit the tiny fuel range nonsense already!
Chinese bike, KTM engine. Sounds like a recipe for reliability 😬
The 790 has always been a Chinese engine as has proven itself…
@@sleeper.simulant7327😂
I wonder if CF Moto made any improvement changes to this engine to make it more reliable, so it doesn't leak oil like all the other KTM bikes.
Why anyone would want to buy and own a Chinese bike is beyond me.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
seems like they come with a steering amper and bi directional quickshifter now.
edit: oops that's the advanced version apparently
A repadded seat and 1.5CM bar risers and imho the comfort issues might be 80% solved.
And also better tires(supermaxx sport MASP)
MAxxis ST2s ares a disservice for such a capable 6999 pound machine.
Bonkers bike !!!
Nice
Looks the best among 800s🥵🥵
This is a great bike I have the upgraded version that comes with the upgraded suspension and steering damper along with an iPad sized touchscreen and keyless ignition, in china it is roughly 5000 pound or 6000usd
How many liters does your motorcycle consume per 100 km?
@@Duusska that’s the only downside of f the bike CFMOTO has the fueling so high/aggressive on this bike I only get around 160-170 km in sport mode,190-220 in street and 250-270 in rain mode and that’s with a 15liter tank
@@Motolifechina Yeah I really like this bike and the features that it has but this fuel thing is a big oof. Now I have battle in my head between cfmoto 800nk and kawasaki z650 😄Thanks for the info tho.
@@Duusskaand I'm having battle of z650 ,gsx8,nk800 in my head....😢
Chinese styling is awesomely bad still. Now let's talk about depreciation. Either you lose your shirt when you sell it on, or pay higher monthly amounts on a PCP to cover the same delta. Still want one?
MCN never discuss the finer points owning a bike and actually paying for it with your hard earned money. I wonder why.😂
@@splodge5714 I’m still scratching my head at some of MCNs previous bikes of the year winners. Clearly their decisions or opinions are motivated by something other than the bikes themselves
Guy has no clue .... the moment he says it has no steering dampner they literrally cut to view of the front and you can see the steering dampner .
Not bad at all! !
CF Moto. When good is out of your budget and good enough will do
this looks 800% better than the hornet
I've just agreed a deal on the CF-Moto CLX 700 Adventure.......
Many bikes are know made either in India,China, Malaysia, I see know problem as long as it's supervised correctly.
Add a little more in your budget you can get Inline 4 from big 4 like Honda Cb 650r and Z900.
Z900 is heavy..its just not as playfull.
Can you make a review of CF moto 450 sr as well?
Yamaha needs to make a 1100cc triple engine.
Looks good. But the exhaust position! Was someone drunk during it's design🥴
And you get its truly horrible reliability from the KTM motor, to go with no dealer network.
Truly horrible? No, that is not true.
Very reliable
Wish they had kept the one-sided swingarm from the concept.
Many says that it being a chinese bike and having a ktm engine makes it unreliable, but the design. Something about it just hits the spot for me that the other bikes cant.
Said it needs a steering damper then cut to a shot of the steering damper behind the fork. Doh!
A Chinese bike at the same price as a Honda? Reealy difficult choice ;-)
Honda is superior way better value for money. And better tyres. Better resale. What is even the point of this. Who would even consider this over the hornet at the same price.
7499 for the advanced model in UK
No traction control today on a new motorcycle? It's it a little absurd? Is one of the biggest safety improvements motorcycles have made and it's been a looong time since it was invented. I can not understand this, i wouldn't buy a new bike without modern safety features, we all know how dangerous our passion is.
Chinese bikes can never topple the Japanese monsters. Not as early coming 5-10 years least 😅
CF Moto make the engines for KTM bikes and other Chinese companies make bike engines for BMW and Kawasaki , I think you need to do more research before you criticise too much .
I m. Sure Triumph BSA and Norton all made the same comments in the 60s
@@PhilipKerrywhich BMW's and Kawasaki's have Chinese engines?
@@ByronWWW BMW F900 series use chinese built engines
@@PhilipKerry Having western companies design and then provide you with the knowhow + THE tools to build the engines does not = "china is capable"
Even WITH everything provided to the chinese, they still manage to build suppar engines, an achievement to say the least.
This really makes the Honda look like a old man’s bike.
I have cfmoto 650nk 7 months and absolutely love it. Beautiful bike. Chinese junk is a lie these days, like American democracy. Go and sit in one and you'll see
Why would you buy this over the honda hornet at the same price? Doesn't make sense...
sponsored by CFmoto
It's 7390€ for the base and +600€ for the tv.
My Duke 890R doesn’t even have cruse or Bluetooth. This is a great buy.
if you miss a cruse and bluetooth on a ktm duke 890R ... you are defently the wrong rider for this bike, its not designed and built for this kind of stuff, its build for piss of litre bikes rider on twisty roads, or in other words to have a ton load of fun :)
Optional for 890 Duke R, part of an electronics package.
Looks better than the Hornet and better than the Duke IMO
Price is killer, electronics and dash top notch like always from the old Empire..
You can get a left over 2022 890 Duke GP new for almost the same price.
No you can not lol
@@adamprsut2333Maybe you can't, but I did, although it was 6 months ago.
Sat on one of these at the Adventure Bike Rider festival. Feel really nice, people who ride them will be won over.
You cannot go past the Honda Hornet.
I would pass the Hornet straight to
The Suzuki GSX8S ..
@@jefflambert8603 nice bike but Hornet still better
@@natural9743 in your Opinion, but most U Tube comparisons & Magazines have
Given the Suzuki the Edge.
In the 750-800cc market, I'd take the GSX-8S. In the 850-950cc market, I'd go with a XSR900 or Z900SE. In the 1L+ market, hard to say.... they are all expensive; maybe the MT-10.
What’s a Honda anymore?
its not only a challenger, its much better
Carl! Instantly reported for indecent hair
I own the Cfmoto 700 CLX adventure, if CFmoto want to give the big companies a run for their money they are seriously going to have to up their game. These bikes are not without issues. My model and the heritage model have a faulty gear sensor, they also throw a false neutral, caused some damage jumping across the garage, one guy who works at a dealership wrote his off with it doing the false neutral thing and said he would never touch them again. I am very disappointed that I wasted $12,000 AUD on my bike, the chain is so cheap, tyres cheap and nasty, brakes are cheap and very soft. I don't think cfmoto are there yet.
I've heard similar stories regarding their quads and side by sides as well. Sorry to hear it.
@@snupermoto723 sadly I'm stuck with a bike now I can't ride due to physical ailments and I can't sell it because nobody will touch them.
Comparing a 6000E bike to a 10000E hyper-bike is not fair man.
For the price a CLX 700 is a great bike for the money..... When it came to the market it was worth it's money.... Still has good brakes (if you do not service them, even a Brembo Stylema are crap). Good sound, good looks, good accesories, and with that 5 year warranty.....Does Honda give 1 year warranty for parts? And the when you need to change a bearing at the stealership it lasts for another month....
My Kawasaki's ECU crapped out at 2 years (4 years warranty god bless).... Gear shifter bushing needed changing after 1.5 years, got OEM part that didn't fit...... lovely...
GS 1250 GSA electronic suspension goes the way of the dodo 2 times in 1.5 years on a bike that's 25000 E....
Bikes are starting to be a labour of love and a pain to own, but there will never ever will be a bike that will be given to grandkids in the future.....
IMO they should go after bigger engines and improve the quality of the things like chains. They are playing in the middleweights where established brands are near their price and they will get kllled.
The cost to produce a 1200cc roadster vs an 800cc roadster is not much more. Imagine it is 15% more but undercuts the premium brands with big engines by 30-40%.
The Chinese make great bikes for other companies its just the Chinese branded bikes people worry about i have a feeling cfmoto will do well
We need a group test with this bike included, ASAP.
It looks far better than the hornet, and even the gsx8s
So I went for a look a GSX-8S today. Turns out Suzuki are practically giving away their GSX-S750 at a way cheaper price than the GSX-8S.
Z 650 has a 15 litre Tank
CB 500 17 litre Tank..
Mt09 front end + ktm duke body + mv agusta rear 😂
The bike only handles so well because it is a 790 underneath….
CFMOTO is been seen as the leading company of domestic motorcycle manufacturers, they also make bikes for the cops and the grand of honor. The only engine in their lineup that’s original is the newer 450cc twin cylinder one, and they have a three cylinder and a four cylinder coming in 2024.
The 800NK is really just for people who can’t afford a KTM 790D😂 since in China, a 790D costs twice as much as an 800NK, and we don’t get mid weight street bikes like the GSX and other choices, but we do get the Honda 750 Hornet, which costs again, about twice as much as the 800NK 😅 and BMW F900R costs almost three times as much, so.. it’s not like we have other choices. Btw, the average income in China is about 615 dollars (US) per month, and an 800NK costs about 7000 dollars here
In China, even for the lowest-level jobs, the monthly income has reached about $900. I'm an interior designer and my monthly income can reach over $2100. It only takes me three months' income to buy an 800NK, while most people in some big cities have a higher income than me. 😅