Very interested idea. How do you think chokes would affect the performance? I imagine you’d want to use a cylinder bore to make sure you don’t disrupt the captive wad and make sure it stays together for as long as possible. A tight choke would probably rip open the wad and cause it to release the shot much sooner.
Interesting, as it loses velocity it must tumble and loose the shot. What did you film that slow motion barrel shot with? Looked hi resolution for the frame rate used.
Yes the wad tumbles through air resistance I think. This was all through 1/2 choke. The interesting thing was that though true cylinder and at 50 metres, the wad still punches a clean hole through the target so has a considerable amount of shot behind it still, and it hadn't tumbled, but there were about 28 pellets all around it in about a 12" group. The camera I used is just one of my GoPros on 50 fps with flux.
Italians really know how to make good shotguns and ammo! :) I hope you guys will come out with good solutions after EU will ban the lead and only can use steel shot (and other materials for more cost of course).
Wow, that was incredible. I've never seen a shotgun shell like that. The spread of the shot began to be useful around 120 meters. At what distance do you think the pattern is spread out too wide and no longer effective? I guess the velocity and distance of the shot would also play into the usefulness also. Great video, thanks for sharing.
+CVN71 OU812 With true cylinder the shot starts to open at 40metres and is good to about 80-90 metres. Half choke really does seem to hold it together.
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But i have noticed that all the projectiles hitting a little bit to the right .. is it the wind or it's just how the bullet reacting to the barrel this way ? And what if you use a modified choke ? Thanks mate
@@freedomofabird 3 choke is a UK 1/2 right? Wouldn’t a tighter choke disrupt the captive wad and allow it to open sooner than the intended 100 meters. Granted, from the video is showing half choke shows to be no problem. Maybe a full choke would have that detrimental effect? My thinking was no choke would be best, since the wad is doing all the work
These wads will save the long range shot after steel shot will be the new standard and we cannot use tight chokes (more tight than the modified / half choke). I wish there would be 20, 40 and 80 "metri" shotshell as well (as far as I know there is a 60 metri already). If I'm right the number - in this case 100 - says the distance where the wad will open up and release the shots. So the 100 Metri is a very-very long range shotshell. With a decently sized shot (5mm maximum in Hungary for sports hunters, non-professional hunters) this 100 Metri would be a nice cartridge for golden jackal, maybe (or for coyote in the USA). EU forcing the ban on lead shot which will come around 2022 or 2023. So putting as least pressure as we can on the barrels with steel shots, we might better go for cylinder or improved cylinder (or so called one quarter) chokes. Than 20, 30, 40 "metri" would be nice to shoot for 40, 50 or 60 meters which are quite usual for game bird shooting (60 meters for the second shot on flying away mallards for example). Actually I think maybe these wads would make chokes unnecessary. That would be a safer option for steel shots and would be easier and cheaper to make shotgun barrels. Maybe, but I’m just speculating.
I agree with your points here Cuccos. These cartridges look like a very good alternative for steel shot to save the wear on a barrel/choke. My thinking is that cylinder bore would be the best for these type of cartridges to prevent the choke from disrupting the wad and spilling the shot out sooner than anticipated. The ‘100 Metri’ also seem to be a good long range alternative to slugs/centrefire rifles at the right ranges. In Ireland/UK for example, shotguns are much easier to obtain and slugs on a shotgun certificate are illegal. I’d be quite happy to take a fox at 90-odd meters with a cylinder bore shotgun and some kind of sighting system like a red dot with these shotshells. Is there any chance you’ve managed to test some of these yourself? You are right in saying they’re available in ‘60 Metri’ variety, but I too would like to see a wider selection of distance ratings. Also, has the EU ban on lead shot progressed at all? Curious to know, Cheers, Matt
@@mattholley3642 Hi Matt, I'm not a gun owner at the moment, but I'm planning to do my license next year. So currently I have no personal experience with these - or any kind of - cartridges. Actually I've seen these Cheddite cartridges on Hungarian hunting shop's website - certainly no postal delivery, only personal buy at the gunshop, with the right license (e.g. you only have 16 bore shotgun you cannot buy 12, 20 or any other bore ammo, not even for a gun what your friend legally handed to you (must have a legal paper written about it). He must provide the ammunition as well). EU planned for a while to ban lead shot and lead rifle projectiles in all forms. The muzzleloader society will be in the biggest trouble as you cannot use any other material than lead for muzzleloading firearms. Shame on the politicians, it's not about environment protection but it's all about disarming the law following citizens (criminals doesn't care about following the law lead or not lead no matter). I'm watching several UK based TH-cam channels (TGS, TSC for example) but I didn't know about that with shotgun license you cannot keep and shoot slugs. It was a new information, thank you! :)
Yes I agree. Fortunately not all countries are limited by small bodies of people enforcing their ideas on others. This is a great cartridge limited only by ballistics, the law, and your imagination!
all the comments are confusing me really, unless shooting a long distance bird that's on the ground not moving these seem pretty useless, unless your George Digweed. good video tho mate
For many sporting shooters I agree, but for vermin control, they are a useful addition to the armoury. They are a niche cartridge but as I have recently discovered, excellent for taking out a few crows with one shot, that were feeding on a carcass.
it's like the old cut shell method turning a shot cartridge into a slug kind of
Yea except these are designed to fit down the barrel.....cut shells aren't.
Very interested idea. How do you think chokes would affect the performance? I imagine you’d want to use a cylinder bore to make sure you don’t disrupt the captive wad and make sure it stays together for as long as possible. A tight choke would probably rip open the wad and cause it to release the shot much sooner.
Interesting, as it loses velocity it must tumble and loose the shot. What did you film that slow motion barrel shot with? Looked hi resolution for the frame rate used.
Yes the wad tumbles through air resistance I think. This was all through 1/2 choke. The interesting thing was that though true cylinder and at 50 metres, the wad still punches a clean hole through the target so has a considerable amount of shot behind it still, and it hadn't tumbled, but there were about 28 pellets all around it in about a 12" group.
The camera I used is just one of my GoPros on 50 fps with flux.
Nice video. I know this kind of shells we used to shot them 30 years ago back in Italy. 😎👍
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Italians really know how to make good shotguns and ammo! :) I hope you guys will come out with good solutions after EU will ban the lead and only can use steel shot (and other materials for more cost of course).
Wonder, how will this reverse side wad work for home defence?
Sry about last post. these are interesting rounds. I would love to see it in slow motion to see what they are actually doing when the pellets spread.
I tried it with one round, but at 120 frames per second no chance! 😄
yeah but what's the striking energy of 2 shot at those distances?
Wow, that was incredible. I've never seen a shotgun shell like that. The spread of the shot began to be useful around 120 meters. At what distance do you think the pattern is spread out too wide and no longer effective? I guess the velocity and distance of the shot would also play into the usefulness also. Great video, thanks for sharing.
+CVN71 OU812 With true cylinder the shot starts to open at 40metres and is good to about 80-90 metres. Half choke really does seem to hold it together.
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Hi .. so they act like a slug untill they reach a distance of 100 meters or so .. right mate ?
Pretty much yes.
But i have noticed that all the projectiles hitting a little bit to the right .. is it the wind or it's just how the bullet reacting to the barrel this way ?
And what if you use a modified choke ?
Thanks mate
very interesting. These only seem to work at massive ranges. good vid.
No it depends on the choke. You can get them to start opening up at 40 metres, you just need to find the right choke.
Thanks for the comment
How’s the performance in rifled barrel?
did they work with 3 choke *** (3 stars) ?
Yes mate
@@freedomofabird ok thanks, i think is good for long distance ducks
@@freedomofabird 3 choke is a UK 1/2 right? Wouldn’t a tighter choke disrupt the captive wad and allow it to open sooner than the intended 100 meters. Granted, from the video is showing half choke shows to be no problem. Maybe a full choke would have that detrimental effect? My thinking was no choke would be best, since the wad is doing all the work
very cool cartridge! I havent heard of these before. thank you very much for sharing!
These wads will save the long range shot after steel shot will be the new standard and we cannot use tight chokes (more tight than the modified / half choke). I wish there would be 20, 40 and 80 "metri" shotshell as well (as far as I know there is a 60 metri already). If I'm right the number - in this case 100 - says the distance where the wad will open up and release the shots. So the 100 Metri is a very-very long range shotshell. With a decently sized shot (5mm maximum in Hungary for sports hunters, non-professional hunters) this 100 Metri would be a nice cartridge for golden jackal, maybe (or for coyote in the USA).
EU forcing the ban on lead shot which will come around 2022 or 2023. So putting as least pressure as we can on the barrels with steel shots, we might better go for cylinder or improved cylinder (or so called one quarter) chokes. Than 20, 30, 40 "metri" would be nice to shoot for 40, 50 or 60 meters which are quite usual for game bird shooting (60 meters for the second shot on flying away mallards for example). Actually I think maybe these wads would make chokes unnecessary. That would be a safer option for steel shots and would be easier and cheaper to make shotgun barrels. Maybe, but I’m just speculating.
I agree with your points here Cuccos. These cartridges look like a very good alternative for steel shot to save the wear on a barrel/choke. My thinking is that cylinder bore would be the best for these type of cartridges to prevent the choke from disrupting the wad and spilling the shot out sooner than anticipated. The ‘100 Metri’ also seem to be a good long range alternative to slugs/centrefire rifles at the right ranges. In Ireland/UK for example, shotguns are much easier to obtain and slugs on a shotgun certificate are illegal. I’d be quite happy to take a fox at 90-odd meters with a cylinder bore shotgun and some kind of sighting system like a red dot with these shotshells.
Is there any chance you’ve managed to test some of these yourself? You are right in saying they’re available in ‘60 Metri’ variety, but I too would like to see a wider selection of distance ratings.
Also, has the EU ban on lead shot progressed at all?
Curious to know,
Cheers,
Matt
@@mattholley3642 Hi Matt,
I'm not a gun owner at the moment, but I'm planning to do my license next year. So currently I have no personal experience with these - or any kind of - cartridges. Actually I've seen these Cheddite cartridges on Hungarian hunting shop's website - certainly no postal delivery, only personal buy at the gunshop, with the right license (e.g. you only have 16 bore shotgun you cannot buy 12, 20 or any other bore ammo, not even for a gun what your friend legally handed to you (must have a legal paper written about it). He must provide the ammunition as well).
EU planned for a while to ban lead shot and lead rifle projectiles in all forms. The muzzleloader society will be in the biggest trouble as you cannot use any other material than lead for muzzleloading firearms. Shame on the politicians, it's not about environment protection but it's all about disarming the law following citizens (criminals doesn't care about following the law lead or not lead no matter).
I'm watching several UK based TH-cam channels (TGS, TSC for example) but I didn't know about that with shotgun license you cannot keep and shoot slugs. It was a new information, thank you! :)
awesome shell good video. what kind of price are they?.,
+brendan 870 Think they were £5 for 10
freedomofabird where did you get them mate?
+David Becker Malmo guns they always have them in stock.
+freedomofabird thanks mate
+freedomofabird thanks mate
Never heard of them. Interesting idea!
Where did you get them?
(If they're still sold, that is)
Malmo guns
Do you need a FAC to buy them?
No
no
A steel shot version for waterfowl hunting would be interesting. Thanks for posting.
Yes I agree. Fortunately not all countries are limited by small bodies of people enforcing their ideas on others.
This is a great cartridge limited only by ballistics, the law, and your imagination!
In serbia, krusik (our ownbrand) makes them for 12 16 and maybe 20gauge its called k100
@@andredanciu8402 Please drop some link about these cartridges, I think it could be an option here in Hungary as well. Thank you!
Nice video pal. What a shell!
live fire video next then? waiting for this 100m crow shot. ;-)
great stuff as always.
Great video, impressive ammo. :) thanks.
Thanks!!
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going to have too about getting these here in america they would be great for goose hunting here i think
I think that is what they were designed for, but we can't use lead against wildfowl in UK
good video but the name of the ammo company is pronounced "Keddìtay"
all the comments are confusing me really, unless shooting a long distance bird that's on the ground not moving these seem pretty useless, unless your George Digweed. good video tho mate
For many sporting shooters I agree, but for vermin control, they are a useful addition to the armoury. They are a niche cartridge but as I have recently discovered, excellent for taking out a few crows with one shot, that were feeding on a carcass.
Ah fair enough, I can imagine using them on foxes at close range as opposed to a slug. I might give em a go of they are at local gun dealers
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Be a great makeshift slug
You are firing slugs ,making people fool
More like a slug
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very cool cartridge! I havent heard of these before. thank you very much for sharing!
Thank you!