Bit confused on this one. The 4x lanes of the m.2 port don't magically have 8x of bandwidth to play with just because the contacts are free on the card slot. Even if you are getting twice the bandwidth across pci-e versions. You would need a bridge chip that takes the PCIe 5 x4 and converts it to PCIe 4 x8 and considering this is a mid-tier card it's not going to have an expensive bridge chip on it (hence 8+8 bifurcation). It would be worth testing it on a PCIe 4 system as your DiskMark results suggest higher numbers than 4x 4.0 can provide (7.877 GB/s) so the slot must still be running at 5.0 speeds (15.754 GB/s) or running in cache?
Edit: after checking ASUS page it is confirmed, allows for gen5 speeds, therefore the only option I see is that all x8 pci gen4 pads are in use and wired to the m.2 slot. (because the gpu itself is gen4) I'm also confused, especially because it seams that the last x4 PCI pads on the GPU are not wired (looking at the pcb, where one can clearly see the wiring for the GPU and M.2 slot). I would have liked to see a large file transfer, just to confirm the speeds reported by CrystalDM
I highly agree it's weird! (but for me it was the OTHER WAY AROUND, when he said 8 lane of pcie5 would convert to 16 of gen 4) But he set in the bios that it would work as gen 4, isnt this proofing his experiment?
yeah I'm with you here, that bifurcation only goes gen4 on the video card and looks like gen5 on the 2nd part this needs to be validated on a pure gen4 mobo and here's another thing: not all mobos will offer bifurcation
The SSD itself has 4 lanes of PCIe 5.0. It can't magically run with 8 lanes of PCIe 4.0. I think that SSD was still running at PCIe gen 5. Limiting that PCie x16 slot to gen 4 in the BIOS only applied to half of the slot/the GPU side. The SSD side stayed at 5.0
"This 11600K and 3950X does not support Gen5 speeds, I will show you how you can get Gen5 speeds on those cpu's, it's going to be like magic." And you proceed to switch to a Gen5 13600K+Z790 platform, yeah it's like magic.
@@theTechNotice your title is missleading because it will indeed NOT work on a non pcie gen5 ready motherboard. changing the pcie interface to gen4 doesnt emulate totally a gen4 native motherboard without gen5 support. this trick works in gen5 motherboard because pcie bifurcation switches the first pcie slot into 2 different and independent parts and devices (even if the nvme is installed in the GPU). so setting your bios into gen4 only limits the first first 8 lanes to gen4 by ''emulation'' but the slot is still gen5 and since the other 8 lanes are separated using pcie bifurcation they remains at gen5. the card is using gen5x4 AND NOT gen4x8 for the nvme and thats why you are still seeing full bandwidth usage. once again, test it on a proper gen4 platform without gen5 support and you'll see how your vide is wrong.
@@theTechNotice So why didnt you run CrystalDiskInfo too when you used CrystalDiskMark to see if the NVMe runs at 5.0x4 or 4.0x8? Or you probably ran it andNVMe was running at 5.0 on the 5.0 platform but the video wouldnt make sense so you cut it out.
Probably awesome ASUS bios does not force gen 4 speed on the SSD when bifurcation is enabled, despite the settings. This entire video is based on a motherboard bios bug. If you claim you can get gen5 speed on a non-gen 5 cpu - please actually test that in gen4 cpu. You can deliver much better content than this, please do not lower your tech standards to LTT level.
Would be happy if this became standard on all gpus. To get Gen4 x8 to Gen5x4 there must be an IC handling that. Would be awesome if they implemented this bridging into the GPU. But that would'nt come out for next gen gpus as they are to far along in development.
The idea is great but you cant claim this will work on gen 4 platforms while testing on gen 5 (BIOS settings doesn`t always work as expected), please do a follow up video testing on actually older hardware.
@lucasrem actually, I found out that one of my classmates have that same GPU, tested on a Gen 4 motherboard with a Gen 4 CPU (X570 + Ryzen 5 5600X) and no, it won't magically give you Gen 5 speeds.
There's something wrong with this video. There is no PLX chip on this video card to switch from Gen4x8 to Gen5x4. First guess: The bifurcated lanes are running in Gen5 mode, not Gen4. I suggest retesting on a Gen4 board and CPU.
@@theTechNoticeYes. You need to set PCIEX16(G5)_2 Link Speed also to gen4… Those are the second set of 8 bifurcated lanes. Pcie5x4 does not go into pcie4x8. That is not how bifurcation works.
Unless the M.2 Card is able to use all 8 PCIe lanes you are gaining NOTHING AT ALL. There is though a way it could work, just NOT LIKE THIS. You would need a PCIe 4.0 8 Lane to PCIe 5 4 Lane bridge chip which would then enable the you to get PCIe 5 Speeds although limited to 4 lanes. Not sure such a bridge chip exists on the mass market, I know it exists as that is how the next generation of PCIe specs are developed and tested before support exists on CPUs or chipsets.
The weird thing for me is when he said 8 lanes of gen 5 would convert to 16 of gen 4 BUT About what you said I think it exists in the card because... he 1.has proof of speed. 2. he set in the bios to only work as gen 4. isn't it proofing his experiment?
@@SatlaE So, the card uses gen4 but as seen in the video and also on the card's product page ASUS claims gen5 speeds. Therefore the only option I see to achieve this is that the m.2 slot is gen5 and it uses all remaining pci pads on the gpu (x8), even though we can visually only see connections for x4
That wouldn’t even work either. A pcie 4 nvme is limited to its max bandwidth. Like it would be limited to max gen 3 bandwidth plugged into a gen 3 slot. Same for gen 2. For your idea to work you would need a buffer of the difference in write and read speed as cache between the bridge and nvme itself. The data isn’t magically stored anywhere or written or read faster.
To be honest, the sequential tests are practically land of make believe when it comes to how data is accessed in real world applications. The last 2 RND-4K tests are more realistic, and absolutely equivalent to Gen4 SSDs. I literally ran this bench on 4 SN850X NVME SSDs yesterday. Even the NVME option in the bench is basically assuming a point where software is written with NVME in mind as standard. The 3rd score you get with the default options is the current best case real world performance. Still that is just dumping those bit to a memory blackhole. When you need to do some kind of work on that data, your CPU can't even do nearly anything at that speed. The 7950X is the fastest consumer CPU for decompression and it maxes out at 2.9GBps. That's likely less computationally intensive than video encoding. You aren't gaining anything at all doing this on even older CPUs.
And then maybe test actually on pcie gen 4 platform. And yes did watch and you never mentioned gpu using pcie gen4 x8 to pcie gen5 x4 bridge. Also MB bifurcation is used so Im pretty sure card doesnt actually do anything to those lanes but route then to m.2 slot.
So did ASUS install special hardware on the GPU that translates the 4 pcie lanes of the m.2 slot into 8 pcie4.0 lanes? Or is there a bug in the motherboard uefi and the lanes on the motherboard aren’t actually running at gen 4 speeds? You should test on z590 or x570.
I run a ASUS RTX4070TI and it only has x8 lanes (x16 slot 1).. and I use an M.2 SSD adaptor x4 (pcie x16 slot 2) with a X570 ASUS mother board. If you set the Bios to x8/x8 it works fine. Takes a couple minutes to boot and learn what its got, but once it switches to 1080p it runs great...! The EVO 990 m.2 is just blazing fast (x16 slot_2) I can restore an image backup 550GB in just 5 minutes...! To a EVO 980 m.2 in a standard MB m.2 slot.
Honesty, I do not believe that. For this to work, the card would need a PCIe 4 8x to PCIe 5 4x Switch. And ASUS would promote it like hell. But they dont. They only claim that you get PCIe 5 speed in PCIe 5 slots.
I liked this video, I have an ASUS mobo and have used gigabyte and msi and ASUS is the biggest headache. Gen 5 or gen 4. If you gen 4 people are having trouble on MSI or Gigabyte x670e x570e motherboards turn your second slot off and allocate Gen 5 in NEWEST bios + AGESA and you will be able to have gen 5.
This test should have been made in an older platform to avoid mistakes like the one you mentioned. Also, he doesn't verify it by looking at CrystalDisk Info to corroborate if, in fact, it's running at Gen 5 or Gen 4.
Kind of ironic the feature seems to be viable probably only on lower end GPUs, but who knows maybe we will see mid to top of the line GPU that are actually cool for real.
This is impressive. I would have never thought that this graphics card actually has a PCIe 5 capable m.2 slot on it and can turn those 4 lanes into 8 to actually translate to the faster speed with a slower mainboard slot. Thanks for this showcase!
Most of them come with a sticker/warranty. ADATA disks got the sticker on the other side, so chips are naked. A heatspreader is included separately which is a nice detail
this is neat, but is there an expansion card that accomplishes this? im trying to wrap my head around converting an x4 interface device to x8. ex: if you put an x8 device in an x16 slot, it's still x8. you test on a gen5 slot, albeit "forced" to gen4, but it'd be more convincing if you demoed this with an older platform, and showed the ssd bus interface link speed like you did with the gpu. maybe the bios is doing something funky with bifurcation? can't argue with those numbers though.
No, there is no magic in digital electronics, then only way to get a M.2 to work at Gen 5 speeds is using 4x PCIe 5 lanes. And the 4060 showing 8x PCIe 4 in GPU-Z means nothing because it is a 8x PCIe 4 card.
This comment section is filled with baffled tech geniuses explaining how this is impossible .. but somehow couldn't be bothered to go read the product page on how this works ...
so your using a 13600k cpu and mobo with ddr5 and claiming its either a 11 series intel or 3000 series ryzen, where is the actual claim in the title, what did you not think that anyone would notice this in hwinfo, i call bullshit mate, disingenuous, outright lies
there are none, 'i'll show you how to get gen 5 speeds on those cpu's' your words, where are 'those speeds' on 'those cpus' in this misleading video, i'll give you a clue, nowhere, and now your lying about bios settings which aren't present in this video.@@theTechNotice
I too am somewhat confused. Let us say that we want to build a Ryzen AM5 7000 system on a micro ATX board with only a single 2280 PCIe Gen5x4 socket. Could you get Gen5x4 speed on a second 2280 PCIe Gen5x4 drive by placing it on the GPU socket rather than a 2280 PCIe Gen4x2 socket on the motherboard? Or do I misunderstand completely?
It just can't. The setting im BIOS/UEFI works only if you set it for both x16(G5) ports. His first x16 just stays at Gen5. GPU running at 4.0 proves nothing, because it physically cannot use anything higher than PCIe4.0. If he would look at "CrystalDisk Info" connection/link speed, he would see "PCIe5.0 x4 | PCIe5.0 x4". Just don't let yourself be fooled ;-)
@@Wlad1 It can be done in theory with an AIC chip like the one found in the Liqid Element LQD4500 but that would rise the price so high that at that point you'd be better getting a 4070 Ti. If you look at the GPU disassembled, it doesn't have an AIC thats why bifurbication is required so yeah, in this case is impossible and the video is misleading.
@@ChrisAzure Of cause, just look how much 8x-Lane-HBA/Raid Controller from Areca/Highpoint/Broadcom cost - and don't forget - there are no Gen5-solutions so far! It wound double the price at least. So you can guess straight away, you could even get a 4080 for that money! :))) The one and only possibility for the future - nVidia/AMD could give us built-in-HBA-feature = M.2-Slot on every "higher" 16-lane-card, so every gamer can use it for his "games-SSD". They could implement the next DirectStorage-version in this way, so the new GPUs could get data directly from their "onboard" SSD.
@Wlad1 AMD made something that could, in theory, work exceptionally well with a proper DirectStorage implementation. The Radeon Pro SSG could be what you are describing. It uses a 2Tb NVMe SSD as a cache for the HBM, I wanted that GPU so bad, to learn more about it, but the prices are too difficult to justify a purchase for a secondary rig which will see hardly any use.
@@ChrisAzure Hell yeah, i know about this card - is about 5-6 years old and for pro's only, not for regular consumer/gamer, the whole time it was about ~5 grand. The good thing: the right ideas are already there! Hope nVidia saw this Asus card and already makes plans for better implementation. By the way: my old 2080Ti (still in my second sys) has a USB-C-Port and I had an external SSD connected through the graphics card -> quite normal disk in windows explorer, you can even run games from it without any restrictions! In the same way they could do it with Gen5-M.2 and the remaining 12x5.0-lanes would offer more than enough bandwith even for 5090/6090. Smart bonus: possibility for better DirectStorage implementation EVEN for systems, that have no PCIe5.0-Lanes!
So you're knocking your video from a 16x to 8x gen 4 bus interface, essentially making it a gen3 x16 speed. For a lowish end videocard, this is probably an acceptable trade off as you are unlikely to be able to use the full 16x gen 4 bandwidth anyway. However, with higher end cards you would definitely be crippling its capability to knock it to 8x. That's why you're likely to see this only on the lower end cards and not the higher end ones. Interesting, but niche concept I believe.
Pci-e generations have always doubled their bandwidth. So if they dont make rtx 5000 series super fast compared to older ones even rtx 5090 should be good with only 8 lanes. So probably gonna get something like this happen atleast up to high-end cards like 5070, 5080. As smaller pc's are trending we could have super tiny m-itx gaming rigs with more m.2 slots of storage or other devices. Even now m-itx board are having weird addon cards/towers because they are running out of room to have everything available. And how about future thunderbold docks where you get your game library with your gpu or maybe work dock with work files and computing unit?
@@netman87 Yes i'm fully aware of the doubling each generation. I looked up this 4060 Ti and I can't find anywhere they admit using only 8x for the video, although this is obviously what happened. Yes, agree that gen 5 at 8x will be plenty, even for high end GPUs.
Wait.... so.... is there a way for gpu manufacturers to implement a vram slot so we can install more vram later on if needed? Because if they start making gcard that have that feature it could be a game changer for many people
Mate this is misleading take down the video... You're wrong on so many levels, just because you limit a pci to gen 4, does not mean the whole slot will be limited to gen 4, you're using a gen 5 motherboard! So of cause it's going to be gen 5, if you do the same test on a 3000 series zen product, this won't work! You are only limiting the start of the lanes not all of them
@@whatistruth_1 if you have a pci 4 chipset you're only going to get pci 4, pci 3 pci 2 pci 1 you're not going to be able to have anything above unless you have a chipset that supports pci 5, the CPU shown in the video has PCI 5 therefore it has a pci 5 chipset, unless you modify the hardcoded processor code (which can be done with a bios mod) that if there is a mod made to change the processors code, then you might get pci 5 support, but there is no way a GPU can add pci 5 support to youre motherboard and CPU, this is a big fat lie
As this guy has had a partnership with Asus, my only thought that this video was made, was to mislead people and get Asus more sales, he's not responded to me
i always wondered if manually setting Gen4 for the GPU slot would use only the gen4 lanes which the newer CPUs only have x4 4.0 lanes available and the rest from PCH, whereas manually setting Gen5 speed will use the full 5.0 x16 lanes. can anyone confirm or deny? i havent been able to find any answers. all i know is that switching between gen4/gen5 link speed changes something about the way it feels/looks/runs but i cant pinpoint what exactly. my concern is that if i manually set Gen4 for GPU link speed, will it not use the 5.0 lanes from the CPU?
Hello I am confused on one point that while using any gen4 SSD on the top slot of the motherboard (between CPU & GPU) reduce the bandwidth of the GPU ?? I am having a 4090 motherboard with a 5900x CPU so need a MO for them
Gen 5 is the latest and hottest and I don't even consider it because of heat and throttling. Gen 4 is bad already and I'm not buying a SSD that is worse. (Badder).
Ye and lose a lot of performance , coz the VGA will run x8 instead of X16 after you install a 2nd pcie device (M2 card ) on 99% of modern motherboards (ofc not creator mobos )..... bad idea
@@csabauri351 negative...on my Xeon I get 64 lanes. I have a 4080 on one PCIE 4.0 16x slot and the M.2 card on a second 16x slot with 4 990's. The first two on Raid 0 and the other two redundancy.
No, those are thermal stickers. You'll know once you try to remove them and they don't remove easily. Hard to return or sell them if you remove those stickers.
3rd gen ryzen 9 3950X? wtf this is 2nd gen Zen 2 based... 3rd gen are ryzen 5000 CPU Zen 3 based (not talking bout APU sides that are a naming mess) 12 second in the video and alr a mistake is made...
quote "this is 3rd gen Ryzen 9 3950X and this ALSO dosnt support PCIe gen 5 speed" is there smth you dont get in that sentence? he said this is 3rd gen Ryzen 9 meaning the cpu then said it dosnt support PCIe gen 5, if was indeed talking bout the PCIe gen in the first place it wouldnt make any sens to repeat that information by saying 3 seconds later that it dosnt support PCIe gen 5 duh... having 188K ppl following you with a bunch of them buying from what they heard in your reviews should make you (him in that sentence if you dont get it again) AT THE VERY LEAST check if the first 15 seconds of your video are correct... @@Kinatera.
3rd gen Ryzen is 2nd gen Zen architecture (3000 series). No, you did NOT find a mistake. Sometimes cpu generations use the same architecture and merely refine the process for higher clockspeeds (ie Ryzen 1000x to 2000x)
Excellent video, thank you! Could you (or anyone else) tell me what name/model of test bench that is featured in this video? Also the push button power on is a nice feature as well. Thank you
@@lucasrem There's no reason to be upset (!)... 2 graphics cards running NVLINK typically also use 2 x16 PCIe Gen 3 slots, at full speed. 2 x16 PCIe Gen 3 slots = 1 PCIe Gen 4 slot in throughput. So, the user has double the bandwidth using NVLINK enabled cards over the PCIe bus alone (excluding the Nvidia link itself) in a manner similar to using 1 PCIe Gen 4 slot.
Now this is ingenuity we been missing for awhile. Everything else is just recycled updated speeds that aren't that great. It's putting more of your money for these cards to work. I don't care much fir asus anymore due to low quality but I git to give them cudos for innovation
PCIe speeds always double from generation to generation. So theoretically twice as fast as PCIe 4, which would be around 15 GB/s. Right now the fastest m.2 SSDs do around 12GB/s read and a tiny bit lower write.
These guys giving you ssd slots on video cards while apple solders all ssds. I hope someone fires Tim Cook and apple loses all its profits so they can learn a lesson.
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Bit confused on this one. The 4x lanes of the m.2 port don't magically have 8x of bandwidth to play with just because the contacts are free on the card slot. Even if you are getting twice the bandwidth across pci-e versions. You would need a bridge chip that takes the PCIe 5 x4 and converts it to PCIe 4 x8 and considering this is a mid-tier card it's not going to have an expensive bridge chip on it (hence 8+8 bifurcation). It would be worth testing it on a PCIe 4 system as your DiskMark results suggest higher numbers than 4x 4.0 can provide (7.877 GB/s) so the slot must still be running at 5.0 speeds (15.754 GB/s) or running in cache?
Edit: after checking ASUS page it is confirmed, allows for gen5 speeds, therefore the only option I see is that all x8 pci gen4 pads are in use and wired to the m.2 slot. (because the gpu itself is gen4)
I'm also confused, especially because it seams that the last x4 PCI pads on the GPU are not wired (looking at the pcb, where one can clearly see the wiring for the GPU and M.2 slot). I would have liked to see a large file transfer, just to confirm the speeds reported by CrystalDM
It is very simple, there is no magic and the M.2 is using 4x PCIe 5 lanes.
It looks like the GPU is converting pcie5.0x4 into pcie4.0x8. I mean how else did the ssd run faster than 7000 MB/sec ?
I highly agree it's weird! (but for me it was the OTHER WAY AROUND, when he said 8 lane of pcie5 would convert to 16 of gen 4)
But he set in the bios that it would work as gen 4, isnt this proofing his experiment?
yeah I'm with you here, that bifurcation only goes gen4 on the video card and looks like gen5 on the 2nd part
this needs to be validated on a pure gen4 mobo
and here's another thing: not all mobos will offer bifurcation
The SSD itself has 4 lanes of PCIe 5.0. It can't magically run with 8 lanes of PCIe 4.0. I think that SSD was still running at PCIe gen 5. Limiting that PCie x16 slot to gen 4 in the BIOS only applied to half of the slot/the GPU side. The SSD side stayed at 5.0
"This 11600K and 3950X does not support Gen5 speeds, I will show you how you can get Gen5 speeds on those cpu's, it's going to be like magic." And you proceed to switch to a Gen5 13600K+Z790 platform, yeah it's like magic.
Did you watch the whole video?
@@theTechNotice your title is missleading because it will indeed NOT work on a non pcie gen5 ready motherboard.
changing the pcie interface to gen4 doesnt emulate totally a gen4 native motherboard without gen5 support.
this trick works in gen5 motherboard because pcie bifurcation switches the first pcie slot into 2 different and independent parts and devices (even if the nvme is installed in the GPU). so setting your bios into gen4 only limits the first first 8 lanes to gen4 by ''emulation'' but the slot is still gen5 and since the other 8 lanes are separated using pcie bifurcation they remains at gen5. the card is using gen5x4 AND NOT gen4x8 for the nvme and thats why you are still seeing full bandwidth usage.
once again, test it on a proper gen4 platform without gen5 support and you'll see how your vide is wrong.
@@theTechNotice So why didnt you run CrystalDiskInfo too when you used CrystalDiskMark to see if the NVMe runs at 5.0x4 or 4.0x8? Or you probably ran it andNVMe was running at 5.0 on the 5.0 platform but the video wouldnt make sense so you cut it out.
@@ralf2166he won't answer when call an obvious error on his part, but he is still answering comments congrating him on this video 😂
Surprisingly that is a nice feature to add value in user applications. Hopefully is becomes commonplace in the future. TY for explaining it!
Probably awesome ASUS bios does not force gen 4 speed on the SSD when bifurcation is enabled, despite the settings. This entire video is based on a motherboard bios bug. If you claim you can get gen5 speed on a non-gen 5 cpu - please actually test that in gen4 cpu. You can deliver much better content than this, please do not lower your tech standards to LTT level.
gpu's are slowly becoming the motherboards 😂
You are so right even if you're joking 😂😂😂
not enough M.2 Slots on the board ?
That is not the future, we get more M.2 slots now, this GPU solutions is for you people with old boards.
@@lucasrem
Would be happy if this became standard on all gpus. To get Gen4 x8 to Gen5x4 there must be an IC handling that. Would be awesome if they implemented this bridging into the GPU. But that would'nt come out for next gen gpus as they are to far along in development.
The idea is great but you cant claim this will work on gen 4 platforms while testing on gen 5 (BIOS settings doesn`t always work as expected), please do a follow up video testing on actually older hardware.
If you verify the connection of the M.2 SSD with CrystalDisk Info, im pretty sure that you'll find that it's running on Gen 5 mode.
Did you forgot to try it yourself ?
check the transfer mode 4x | 4x
990 in it...
@lucasrem actually, I found out that one of my classmates have that same GPU, tested on a Gen 4 motherboard with a Gen 4 CPU (X570 + Ryzen 5 5600X) and no, it won't magically give you Gen 5 speeds.
There's something wrong with this video. There is no PLX chip on this video card to switch from Gen4x8 to Gen5x4. First guess: The bifurcated lanes are running in Gen5 mode, not Gen4. I suggest retesting on a Gen4 board and CPU.
Now test it on a pcie 4 system. You are testing on a pcie 5 system...
Did you see my bios settings?
@@theTechNoticeYes. You need to set PCIEX16(G5)_2 Link Speed also to gen4… Those are the second set of 8 bifurcated lanes.
Pcie5x4 does not go into pcie4x8. That is not how bifurcation works.
Unless the M.2 Card is able to use all 8 PCIe lanes you are gaining NOTHING AT ALL.
There is though a way it could work, just NOT LIKE THIS. You would need a PCIe 4.0 8 Lane to PCIe 5 4 Lane bridge chip which would then enable the you to get PCIe 5 Speeds although limited to 4 lanes. Not sure such a bridge chip exists on the mass market, I know it exists as that is how the next generation of PCIe specs are developed and tested before support exists on CPUs or chipsets.
The weird thing for me is when he said 8 lanes of gen 5 would convert to 16 of gen 4
BUT
About what you said I think it exists in the card because... he 1.has proof of speed. 2. he set in the bios to only work as gen 4. isn't it proofing his experiment?
@@SatlaE So, the card uses gen4 but as seen in the video and also on the card's product page ASUS claims gen5 speeds. Therefore the only option I see to achieve this is that the m.2 slot is gen5 and it uses all remaining pci pads on the gpu (x8), even though we can visually only see connections for x4
The M.2 card can't use 8 lanes because the M.2 slot has only 4 lanes. This is all nonsense
@@Awaken2067833758 I honestly don't see another option
That wouldn’t even work either. A pcie 4 nvme is limited to its max bandwidth. Like it would be limited to max gen 3 bandwidth plugged into a gen 3 slot. Same for gen 2. For your idea to work you would need a buffer of the difference in write and read speed as cache between the bridge and nvme itself. The data isn’t magically stored anywhere or written or read faster.
To be honest, the sequential tests are practically land of make believe when it comes to how data is accessed in real world applications. The last 2 RND-4K tests are more realistic, and absolutely equivalent to Gen4 SSDs. I literally ran this bench on 4 SN850X NVME SSDs yesterday. Even the NVME option in the bench is basically assuming a point where software is written with NVME in mind as standard. The 3rd score you get with the default options is the current best case real world performance. Still that is just dumping those bit to a memory blackhole. When you need to do some kind of work on that data, your CPU can't even do nearly anything at that speed. The 7950X is the fastest consumer CPU for decompression and it maxes out at 2.9GBps. That's likely less computationally intensive than video encoding. You aren't gaining anything at all doing this on even older CPUs.
And then maybe test actually on pcie gen 4 platform. And yes did watch and you never mentioned gpu using pcie gen4 x8 to pcie gen5 x4 bridge. Also MB bifurcation is used so Im pretty sure card doesnt actually do anything to those lanes but route then to m.2 slot.
Nice. I wonder if they will start adding M.2 slots to more boards. It’s will definitely change things for the better
So did ASUS install special hardware on the GPU that translates the 4 pcie lanes of the m.2 slot into 8 pcie4.0 lanes? Or is there a bug in the motherboard uefi and the lanes on the motherboard aren’t actually running at gen 4 speeds? You should test on z590 or x570.
testest on a Z790 with a 13600K
I run a ASUS RTX4070TI and it only has x8 lanes (x16 slot 1).. and I use an M.2 SSD adaptor x4 (pcie x16 slot 2) with a X570 ASUS mother board. If you set the Bios to x8/x8 it works fine. Takes a couple minutes to boot and learn what its got, but once it switches to 1080p it runs great...! The EVO 990 m.2 is just blazing fast (x16 slot_2) I can restore an image backup 550GB in just 5 minutes...! To a EVO 980 m.2 in a standard MB m.2 slot.
Honesty, I do not believe that. For this to work, the card would need a PCIe 4 8x to PCIe 5 4x Switch. And ASUS would promote it like hell. But they dont. They only claim that you get PCIe 5 speed in PCIe 5 slots.
Yes exactly. He bifurcated into gen4 x8 gpu and gen5 x8 (downgraded to x4) for the sad.
Splitting the PCIe slot, only gen 5 boards !
I liked this video, I have an ASUS mobo and have used gigabyte and msi and ASUS is the biggest headache. Gen 5 or gen 4. If you gen 4 people are having trouble on MSI or Gigabyte x670e x570e motherboards turn your second slot off and allocate Gen 5 in NEWEST bios + AGESA and you will be able to have gen 5.
Both PCIEX16(G5)_1 and PCIEX16(G5)_2 need to be set to Gen4 to emulate the other platforms 6:02. Now only the GPU is forced to Gen4 not the SSD.
This test should have been made in an older platform to avoid mistakes like the one you mentioned. Also, he doesn't verify it by looking at CrystalDisk Info to corroborate if, in fact, it's running at Gen 5 or Gen 4.
not even the GPU was forced to Gen4, simple: the GPU physically CANNOT run anything higher than Gen4. ;-)
Kind of ironic the feature seems to be viable probably only on lower end GPUs, but who knows maybe we will see mid to top of the line GPU that are actually cool for real.
Subbed ! great content :)
This is impressive. I would have never thought that this graphics card actually has a PCIe 5 capable m.2 slot on it and can turn those 4 lanes into 8 to actually translate to the faster speed with a slower mainboard slot. Thanks for this showcase!
Nope, the GPU does not do that, it is a straight forward passthrough. Check my own comment as well as @1tothe2the3 's comment.
All i need is 16GB video memory.
Guess I'll go with 3060😂😂😂
Make a video on best nvidia control panel setting for premiere pro/after effects. (Do i even need to tweak the nvidia cpanel settings at all?)
I always remove the factory sticker and wipe the NVMe chips with rubbing solution prior to installing a thermal pad+heat-spreader
And warranty is gone... (Kingston for sure)
Most of them come with a sticker/warranty. ADATA disks got the sticker on the other side, so chips are naked. A heatspreader is included separately which is a nice detail
Amazing video small question could you try itx pc build? That would be so cool since I am trying to build one since I move out a lot.
Well my Renegade gen4 seems to hold up just fine with 7300 read and 6000 write.
How does the M.2 slot access all 8 lanes? Is there a chip that splits data from each gen 5 trace on the ssd to two gen 4 traces on the gpu?
this is neat, but is there an expansion card that accomplishes this? im trying to wrap my head around converting an x4 interface device to x8. ex: if you put an x8 device in an x16 slot, it's still x8. you test on a gen5 slot, albeit "forced" to gen4, but it'd be more convincing if you demoed this with an older platform, and showed the ssd bus interface link speed like you did with the gpu. maybe the bios is doing something funky with bifurcation? can't argue with those numbers though.
No, there is no magic in digital electronics, then only way to get a M.2 to work at Gen 5 speeds is using 4x PCIe 5 lanes. And the 4060 showing 8x PCIe 4 in GPU-Z means nothing because it is a 8x PCIe 4 card.
Thank you for the valuable info! Appreciate your tech channel.
Optane 905p is around 5 times faster (460MB/s Q1T1 random reads).
This comment section is filled with baffled tech geniuses explaining how this is impossible .. but somehow couldn't be bothered to go read the product page on how this works ...
Bro stick to the aestetics
No M.2 slots in the GPU linked to. Couldn't even see a 4060ti 8GB card there also.
I think its great, but I bought a RTX 4070TI 12GB. I think all graphics cards should have M.2 slots.
so your using a 13600k cpu and mobo with ddr5 and claiming its either a 11 series intel or 3000 series ryzen, where is the actual claim in the title, what did you not think that anyone would notice this in hwinfo, i call bullshit mate, disingenuous, outright lies
Did you watch the whole video?
i did indeed, 12.03 shows the whole thing buddy, 13600k which is gen 5, where is the tests with the other cpu's and mobos?@@theTechNotice
I don't think you did;) did you see the BIOS settings I showed in the beginning?
He's simulating gen 4 using bios settings. Results would be the same with a cpu only capable of gen 4.
there are none, 'i'll show you how to get gen 5 speeds on those cpu's' your words, where are 'those speeds' on 'those cpus' in this misleading video, i'll give you a clue, nowhere, and now your lying about bios settings which aren't present in this video.@@theTechNotice
6:51 🤘🤘
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Some tech people said, that cpu is the bottleneck, but when you realize that you are using 50% of your x16 pcie lane, where is the bottleneck now?
But the bios has to have pci-express bifurcation (splitting)
Yup, it's useless without it
Yes correct.
Imagine being able to Use those M,2's as Cache Space for the GPU.....
Not fast enough unfortunately. Even L3 is 100 times faster, 500GB/s vs 15GB/s Gen5 m.2
Yoo again first to like the content .. 😅😅
so i basically have to buy a gpu thats worth about 6-8 mid-tier ssds to access a faster ssd wtf
I too am somewhat confused. Let us say that we want to build a Ryzen AM5 7000 system on a micro ATX board with only a single 2280 PCIe Gen5x4 socket. Could you get Gen5x4 speed on a second 2280 PCIe Gen5x4 drive by placing it on the GPU socket rather than a 2280 PCIe Gen4x2 socket on the motherboard? Or do I misunderstand completely?
LOVE THIS IDEA!
I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THIS INTRODUCED IN THE NEXT GENERATION NVIDIA CARDS! 😊
But it already was introduced with this generation's Nvidia cards
try it on a 11th gen motherboard?
is there any Performance dron on games fps while doing that
I don't understand how a (gen5) x4 lanes ssd drive can use (gen4) x8 lanes...
It just can't. The setting im BIOS/UEFI works only if you set it for both x16(G5) ports. His first x16 just stays at Gen5. GPU running at 4.0 proves nothing, because it physically cannot use anything higher than PCIe4.0. If he would look at "CrystalDisk Info" connection/link speed, he would see "PCIe5.0 x4 | PCIe5.0 x4". Just don't let yourself be fooled ;-)
@@Wlad1 It can be done in theory with an AIC chip like the one found in the Liqid Element LQD4500 but that would rise the price so high that at that point you'd be better getting a 4070 Ti. If you look at the GPU disassembled, it doesn't have an AIC thats why bifurbication is required so yeah, in this case is impossible and the video is misleading.
@@ChrisAzure Of cause, just look how much 8x-Lane-HBA/Raid Controller from Areca/Highpoint/Broadcom cost - and don't forget - there are no Gen5-solutions so far! It wound double the price at least. So you can guess straight away, you could even get a 4080 for that money! :))) The one and only possibility for the future - nVidia/AMD could give us built-in-HBA-feature = M.2-Slot on every "higher" 16-lane-card, so every gamer can use it for his "games-SSD". They could implement the next DirectStorage-version in this way, so the new GPUs could get data directly from their "onboard" SSD.
@Wlad1 AMD made something that could, in theory, work exceptionally well with a proper DirectStorage implementation. The Radeon Pro SSG could be what you are describing. It uses a 2Tb NVMe SSD as a cache for the HBM, I wanted that GPU so bad, to learn more about it, but the prices are too difficult to justify a purchase for a secondary rig which will see hardly any use.
@@ChrisAzure Hell yeah, i know about this card - is about 5-6 years old and for pro's only, not for regular consumer/gamer, the whole time it was about ~5 grand. The good thing: the right ideas are already there! Hope nVidia saw this Asus card and already makes plans for better implementation. By the way: my old 2080Ti (still in my second sys) has a USB-C-Port and I had an external SSD connected through the graphics card -> quite normal disk in windows explorer, you can even run games from it without any restrictions! In the same way they could do it with Gen5-M.2 and the remaining 12x5.0-lanes would offer more than enough bandwith even for 5090/6090. Smart bonus: possibility for better DirectStorage implementation EVEN for systems, that have no PCIe5.0-Lanes!
So you're knocking your video from a 16x to 8x gen 4 bus interface, essentially making it a gen3 x16 speed. For a lowish end videocard, this is probably an acceptable trade off as you are unlikely to be able to use the full 16x gen 4 bandwidth anyway. However, with higher end cards you would definitely be crippling its capability to knock it to 8x. That's why you're likely to see this only on the lower end cards and not the higher end ones. Interesting, but niche concept I believe.
Those cards are already x8
Pci-e generations have always doubled their bandwidth. So if they dont make rtx 5000 series super fast compared to older ones even rtx 5090 should be good with only 8 lanes. So probably gonna get something like this happen atleast up to high-end cards like 5070, 5080. As smaller pc's are trending we could have super tiny m-itx gaming rigs with more m.2 slots of storage or other devices. Even now m-itx board are having weird addon cards/towers because they are running out of room to have everything available. And how about future thunderbold docks where you get your game library with your gpu or maybe work dock with work files and computing unit?
@@netman87 Yes i'm fully aware of the doubling each generation. I looked up this 4060 Ti and I can't find anywhere they admit using only 8x for the video, although this is obviously what happened. Yes, agree that gen 5 at 8x will be plenty, even for high end GPUs.
RTX 4060 Ti is a PCIe 4.0 x8 graphics card. So you are not going to lose any performance here.
@@Martin3060 Yes, I established that in a previous comment.
Wait.... so.... is there a way for gpu manufacturers to implement a vram slot so we can install more vram later on if needed? Because if they start making gcard that have that feature it could be a game changer for many people
Mate this is misleading take down the video... You're wrong on so many levels, just because you limit a pci to gen 4, does not mean the whole slot will be limited to gen 4, you're using a gen 5 motherboard! So of cause it's going to be gen 5, if you do the same test on a 3000 series zen product, this won't work! You are only limiting the start of the lanes not all of them
Open up hwinfo64 untick all the boxes and you will find information about what gen pci the m2 slot is running at
Mate this is misleading take down the comment. What you're saying is nonsense. You can't have one way pcie gens....
@@whatistruth_1 if you have a pci 4 chipset you're only going to get pci 4, pci 3 pci 2 pci 1 you're not going to be able to have anything above unless you have a chipset that supports pci 5, the CPU shown in the video has PCI 5 therefore it has a pci 5 chipset, unless you modify the hardcoded processor code (which can be done with a bios mod) that if there is a mod made to change the processors code, then you might get pci 5 support, but there is no way a GPU can add pci 5 support to youre motherboard and CPU, this is a big fat lie
As this guy has had a partnership with Asus, my only thought that this video was made, was to mislead people and get Asus more sales, he's not responded to me
I'm an Asus customer already & I find this incredibly concerning.
If true, this video ought be removed.
@SignedAdam
i always wondered if manually setting Gen4 for the GPU slot would use only the gen4 lanes which the newer CPUs only have x4 4.0 lanes available and the rest from PCH, whereas manually setting Gen5 speed will use the full 5.0 x16 lanes. can anyone confirm or deny? i havent been able to find any answers. all i know is that switching between gen4/gen5 link speed changes something about the way it feels/looks/runs but i cant pinpoint what exactly. my concern is that if i manually set Gen4 for GPU link speed, will it not use the 5.0 lanes from the CPU?
Interesting revelation --> I wonder if this is being advertised (by ASUS) as a USP ....
Soon GPUs are the new mini PCs
Hello I am confused on one point that while using any gen4 SSD on the top slot of the motherboard (between CPU & GPU) reduce the bandwidth of the GPU ?? I am having a 4090 motherboard with a 5900x CPU so need a MO for them
Gen 5 is the latest and hottest and I don't even consider it because of heat and throttling. Gen 4 is bad already and I'm not buying a SSD that is worse. (Badder).
But you losing performance on the video card only using x8
What a joke, don't waste my time
Dude, just Raid 0 a couple of 990s on an Aus M.2 card and you get the speed. No need to buy sub level 4060
What about redundancy?
Ye and lose a lot of performance , coz the VGA will run x8 instead of X16 after you install a 2nd pcie device (M2 card ) on 99% of modern motherboards (ofc not creator mobos )..... bad idea
@@csabauri351 negative...on my Xeon I get 64 lanes. I have a 4080 on one PCIE 4.0 16x slot and the M.2 card on a second 16x slot with 4 990's. The first two on Raid 0 and the other two redundancy.
It's for people with matx or mini itx boards with only one x16 slot
i have the mp 700 m.2 too but arent you supposed to remove corsair sticker on the chips before install on board?
No, those are thermal stickers. You'll know once you try to remove them and they don't remove easily. Hard to return or sell them if you remove those stickers.
any update for review info on order model mobo/CPU combo? 🤔
3rd gen ryzen 9 3950X? wtf this is 2nd gen Zen 2 based... 3rd gen are ryzen 5000 CPU Zen 3 based (not talking bout APU sides that are a naming mess) 12 second in the video and alr a mistake is made...
pcie gen 4.. not cpu gen
you good bro?
quote "this is 3rd gen Ryzen 9 3950X and this ALSO dosnt support PCIe gen 5 speed" is there smth you dont get in that sentence? he said this is 3rd gen Ryzen 9 meaning the cpu then said it dosnt support PCIe gen 5, if was indeed talking bout the PCIe gen in the first place it wouldnt make any sens to repeat that information by saying 3 seconds later that it dosnt support PCIe gen 5 duh... having 188K ppl following you with a bunch of them buying from what they heard in your reviews should make you (him in that sentence if you dont get it again) AT THE VERY LEAST check if the first 15 seconds of your video are correct... @@Kinatera.
@@makouille495I had to reread that like twice to understand your poor phrasing,
the 3950x is part of the third gen in the ryzen line of desktop cpus
3rd gen Ryzen is 2nd gen Zen architecture (3000 series). No, you did NOT find a mistake.
Sometimes cpu generations use the same architecture and merely refine the process for higher clockspeeds (ie Ryzen 1000x to 2000x)
No.
funny the ssd is now making my graphics card run hot now.
Excellent video, thank you! Could you (or anyone else) tell me what name/model of test bench that is featured in this video? Also the push button power on is a nice feature as well. Thank you
why in a whole gpu just make nvme add in card that support this
Nice, this is like SLI/NVLINK, but inverted for storage. Better not tell NVIDIA, consumers aren't allowed to have nice things like that, lol.
NVLINK ? You are not able to share resources on this PCIe bus !
It's just using the PCIe lanes on the boards I/O
@@lucasrem There's no reason to be upset (!)... 2 graphics cards running NVLINK typically also use 2 x16 PCIe Gen 3 slots, at full speed. 2 x16 PCIe Gen 3 slots = 1 PCIe Gen 4 slot in throughput. So, the user has double the bandwidth using NVLINK enabled cards over the PCIe bus alone (excluding the Nvidia link itself) in a manner similar to using 1 PCIe Gen 4 slot.
you put it in .... but you didn't lock it ..... go watch it again ....
Now this is ingenuity we been missing for awhile. Everything else is just recycled updated speeds that aren't that great. It's putting more of your money for these cards to work. I don't care much fir asus anymore due to low quality but I git to give them cudos for innovation
this is not magic
Did you use RAID 0 wisely in other words?
So what happens if you use the m.2 slot on the gpu and some adapters to slot in… another gpu. 😮 🤔
"MP7000" when it clearly shows MP700 lmao
Is there a way to get the full amount of read and write speed i paid for 5300 and 3500 write and i only get 1.65 gb on downloads
interessting... how fast is the difference from gen5 to gen4 nvme?
PCIe speeds always double from generation to generation. So theoretically twice as fast as PCIe 4, which would be around 15 GB/s. Right now the fastest m.2 SSDs do around 12GB/s read and a tiny bit lower write.
Pcie gen7 Gpu will have cpu inside. witch has 8cores and 16 thread 💀
Ssd double kill :)) ssd controller will be overheat hot and drop speed
This is some bu||$#¡t
These guys giving you ssd slots on video cards while apple solders all ssds. I hope someone fires Tim Cook and apple loses all its profits so they can learn a lesson.
Imagine if PCIe lanes were like money, and you could make as many as your heart desired, but there was a lane tax.
Lol………..waste of TH-cam video.
Ye . Clickbait video . Very dissapointing to be honest.
May I ask what were you expecting?
@@theTechNoticei expected something that wouldn't require a new gpu
they probably did too
Second!
@GamersNexus @LinusTechTips debunk this would you guys. Properly. Please.