@@starboyjadenn no kaido legit tanks an overkong gun and blast breath exploding in his mouth yet doesn't make a sound nor is shown to be damaged he gets right back up unscathed and tramples on g4 luffy smh man's legit was blowing kissy faces while gettin spammed by duraneg snakeman
The fact that people actually thought that Zoro should neg diff Lucci is insane after we literally saw Awakened Lucci take multiple Haki infused named attacks from G5 Luffy and get up relatively quickly. Zoro was reqiured to at least use moderate effort to not even fully take down a Lucci who was already banged up from fighting Luffy. Lucci is definitely disrespected, but I don't think he beats King. Zoro clearly was using a ton more effort against King than Lucci. And Lucci lacks the AP showings to take down King. He did no damage to Luffy, no real damage to Zoro. Only really against Sentomaru on a sneak. And King wouldn't be threatened enough by Lucci's AP to risk speed form. And also King's speed form is so fast that Zoro couldn't even percieve him at points. And Zoro was just on the rooftop dodging Yonko attacks. People also forget that King also has an Ancient Zoan fruit in his back pocket. Which gives him even more durabillity, mobility and recovery rate. King's flames are also magma-like so they could definitely do damage, we just didn't see it because none strong got hit by them and Zoro has the ability to cut fire.
@@Voiid_edits I agree, but G5 will always troll to a degree and goof around no matter how strong an opponent. He definitely wasn't going all out, but we can't use that as an excuse everytime because we can't measure that. Lucci still got hit by those attacks.
He has no control over nikas personality influence yet because he doesnt know hes a zoan fruit user. The nika personality goofing around instead of being serious is the very reason why everyone kept getting injured on egghead @nikjovan4816
Why don’t we use Zoro’s opinions about the opponents: King=“if I don’t figure it out I will lose”… “one second longer and that explosion would have killed me” Lucci=“you think you are in control of how long this battle lasts”… “oh you are still standing” Clearly Zoro was putting respect on King, whereas with Lucci we don’t see that whatsoever. And this doesn’t really mean anything for Luffy, in fact with the new anime context it seems like Luffy just wanted to show Lucci how outmatched he was so that he backed off (which it worked since Lucci had to call an admiral to feel confident to do anything else during this arc)
Facts. That “you still standing..”was def the opposite of “no way, he’s still standing!!?” against kaido when he went 9 sword. Zoro was literally underestimating Lucci.
@r.gentleman and lucci downplayers don't want to acknowledge that and the fact that licci fought a fully healthy zoro while king fought an already crippled zoro.
@@4tuneJohn nope, the minks medicine can completly cure a person. The backlash will be severe tho. Plus we can argue that the time limit imposed by the medicine forced Zoro to give everythinh he had, contrary to Lucci...
@@4tuneJohn no it completly healed him. It makes pain, fatigue and broken bones effect disappear in exchange for a big cost later on. I don't know why people insist on giving Zoro that much of a handicap in this fight but this is dishonest.
lucci has 0 feats to prove he could even damage king and they’re probably relative speed wise with king just having a wayyyy better kit. range, number of attacks, flight, proficient swordsman/ h2h combatant. its a close fight but i think 6-7/10 times king has it
there is only 2 moves Lucci has that can could potentially be a feat that is his hand pistol technique and Rokugon being an attack if I would describe it similar to fishman karate attacking the inner of the person like how it screwed up Luffy to the point of bleeding when no haki was present and that has infused haki otherwise 6/10 times King wins just think it's closer in combat
Agree with the result, Lucci is super underrated in terms of power it's ridiculous. Like yes Zoro beat him but how tf does that make him a fraud, this man took an advanced conquerors named attack straight to the dome no shit it's going to damage him also it wasn't a one shot since Zoro was legit scrapping with him for a while and even had to use his green flames
because it was a mid diff at most which was offscreened and lucci did nothing the real question is why are y’all coping? like he’s just not as strong it’s fine. king was the basis to make the STRONGEST CREATURES that lucci could not even damage. it’s not up in the air or close. king is definitively stronger in every way
@@randalthekidd7006 The fight lasts for at least an hour. It took a while to wrap up writing in real time and most of it was offscreen about the duration of Saturn and Luffy. High diff IMO, but I do think King whoops Lucci though.
1: Zoro used dragon twister on kaido and it cut kaido. He used the same attack on king and it did nothing to king. Which is why people believe that flames on king durability > dragon kaido. Also even though kaido was holding back, you can’t hold back your passive durability. That just doesn’t make sense. 2: jimbei did not hit lucci with that fish man karate attack, he threw it at the ground to create a smoke screen. If he wanted to take lucci out with an attack, he would have just let Zoro do the finishing blow. He says sorry because it’s disrespectful to interrupt in a fight when someone is giving their all.
@@4tuneJohn the hybrid form just takes the best qualities from the zoan form and combines it with the practicalness of your human form. It’s just grabs the best aspects of everything about you and puts it in 1 form. I could find the chapter where they talk about hybrid forms.
@@4tuneJohnthat doesn't mean that Kaido is more resistant in this form. It just mean that he combines the resistance and powers of the dragon (wich he already had when he took Zoro dragon twister) with the mobility, agility and speed of his oni form...
The BEST you can scale king is that hes stronger than dragon kaido(no acoc) and lucci being able to take hits from g5 luffy(no acoc) puts him on another level
lol the cope to upscale lucci. he has zero feats to support any of that and even the anime suggests king is stronger where lucci was gassed in the manga it’s no question and he’s undeniably stronger than lucci who has no feats
lucci did 0 damage to either luffy or zoro and at best can relatively keep up speed wise and has enough endurance to get beat on while they are half trying
@@randalthekidd7006 lucci narratively has to be around admiral level, greenbull if you want but still admiral level. we don't even need feats and when you do have the feats that he actually put up a better fight than kizaru against luffy then you get to see that zoro one-shotting is stupid. if you still think kizaru was boxing better than lucci with luffy get your eyes out of kizaru's ass and start reading
@@randalthekidd7006 dude, there are feats literally given to u on lucci, you wanna argue it, disprove those feats u say don't exist, otherwise ur just talking out ur ass and glazing ur favorite character. "Lucci traded blows with a gear five luffy l", who upscales beyond the Zoro that damaged kaido, whom was stronger than the Zoro that fought king as that Zoro, whilst perhaps more refined, is inherently weaker as he sustained injuries and was recovering. Lucci fought against an uninjured Zoro and stood a bit below if not on par. People give valid credit to a character but some people just try to ignore it and scale with bias, SCALING SHOULD NOT HAVE BIAS.
I can drug you up when you have 20 broken bones, still you're weaker, cuz u got 20 broken bones. The drugs just nerfed the pain, not the damage. He did not get healed at all.
DC - King AP - King Speed - King Range - King Hax - King Weapons - King Skill - Lucci Haki - Lucci Durability - King Endurance - Lucci Recovery - Lucci Battle IQ - Lucci Lucci can win, he has the AP to put King down, but I doubt he would last long enough. King can take more punishment for longer. Plus, we haven't seen Much of King's Hybrid form abilities, mostly Full Zoan or Base due to Zoro's skillset. By contrast, this is a bad match for Lucci, out of respect for Zoro, King decided to engage in swordplay, he doesn't have that obligation to Lucci, who's a brawler
Thank you I think people just using head cannon that green on his sword means conq when it could just be his ryou or armament and we see zoro with 2 swords only not even using conq still fighting lucci no problem and tjats why sanji was mad he knew zoro could finish him but he's just playing with his prey. Saying lucci is as strong as zoro is like saying all scabbard combined is equal to base kaido.
No no NO! Just having conquerors alone doesn't scale you to admiral lvl. And even with advanced conqueros, you still wouldn't be on that lvl since Yamato can't beat any past or current admiral, even the weakest one being Green Bull. To be on admiral caliber, you at least need advanced armament and advanced observation since Kizaru doesn't have conquerors, but he's still an admiral lvl character nonetheless.
But I do agree with him not being able to injure King without advanced armament and or advanced conquerors. Sure Marco was able to do it, but Marco can nullify flames to some extent which likely weakened King's durability a good bit when Marco kicked him. The only way Lucci is harming King is if King turns off his flames and sacrifices his durability for speed.
dressorsa Zoro would've one tapt him with 9 sword style ong, but before that Luffy King kong Gun would handeld it anyway. dont overestimate Lucci he's a two time victim for a reason.
@@Lord_Bepo That does make you think because of an unserious exchange between Rob Lucci and Luffy n Zoro=? first off, no cap Zoro would oblitarated him with pre acoc state, and Luffy's snakeman can actually match Lucci's fighting style in his awakening perfectly, a phyton chasing down a leopard. btw Luffy was dominating Doffy with his all out state, only his stamina was going against him like it does almost always, for plot reason's mostly. Luffy dominates in dressrosa aswell, he was not one second sweating against Lucci, even in base. 💀
@@Kronzo_Z lol I don't remember luffy having snake man in dressrosa. Luffy couldn't even finish off doflamingo in one go, he had to get saved. Zoro is no match for gear 4th luffy. Lucci speedblitz and one taps
I just finished the video... you literally forgot that King is a Lunarian. Dude has top tier durability feats and his flames off has the speed to keep up. Plus, dude has fire powers that will neutralize whatever advantages Lucci has short-range. Lucci has little chance even vs Katakuri, who can foresee his attacks and trap him in Mochi.
Durability is essentially how much damage it takes to damage you, endurance is how much damage you can take/how you’re affected by it, so if character A can harm character B but not character C, character C has better durability, if character D takes 10 hits to beat character B but only 3 for character C character B has better endurance. If you couldn’t tell this was Zoro damaging Kaido but not being able to damage king, while Kaido took far more attacks from zoro than king.
Zoro had a harder time with king, zoro didn't try with lucci then speed blitz in base meaning king is faster then lucci, lucci also can't break kings defenses
honestly flames off King endured KoH bird dance and clashed two times with awakend Zoro Ultra tiger Hunt before he ended himself crashing against Dragon Damnation. meanwhile it took g5 Luffy 3 named attacks without going on his serious moves with ACoC haki, and Zoro with a new attack coated on advanced armament Haki to put out the awakend leopard, like bro we didnt even got Zoro basic moves in that exchange, it's not a fight like his 1vs1 in pre timeskip. people assume Zoro going full power Santoryu KoH mode without being able to finish Rob Lucci, and having to powering down because of that and leading him to using two sword style base, but he literally has (Enma the whole fight in his hand, the sword which is supposed to drain his stamina and hold him back) that off screen fight to assume he machtes full power Zoro's full arsenal with his awakend Zoan DF is pure cope without any evidence.
Was fighting for up to 30 minutes, the flames on his sword, going down to two swords and out of breathe then going back to three swords and using a new move after being insulted by Sanji and Lucci was still conscious and standing but yeah, Zoro definitely wasn't trying lmao
Lucci might be one of the most durable characters in One Piece not gonna lie. The only reason he’s gotten out of the equation is because Luffy is literally a Sun/Star, and Jimbei blasting him away. Bro should honestly be dead right now he’s actually crazy. The same type of attack from Acoc Zoro literally mid-diffed King and even Zoro was like damn.
@@ChaiUsereven watching the video you can’t understand it’s illogical to say lucci wins high diff, is lucci disrespected yes but that don’t mean he is beating king
@@slumplump3356literally tf ppl act like king beating lucci is disrespectful ppl really underestimating how strong king is and was and still is it took literal everything for zoro to beat him zoro hasn’t improved that much from wano yet he still barely tried to beat lucci foh
I think Oda is sick of powerscaling and Egghead was his middle finger to all of the powerscalers. Shanks fodderized Kidd and Killer by himself. Blackbeard only needed half his crew to decimate Law's entire crew. Garp absolutely humbled the Admiral stans. Koby proved everyone wrong about how strong he is. Luffy violated Kizaru on multiple occasions. And The Gorosei are being shown to be more of a problem then anyone expected before Egghead. Oda also had Sanji, Jimbei, and Zoro looking like crap in Egghead compared to Wano. Sanji, he blocks a beam after being charged and then says Kizaru won't get past him. Then next chapter or 2 Kizaru absolutely speed blitzes Vegapunk and Sanji is not even paying attention. Also, he got violated by Saturn's death stare. Zoro, he could have dealt with Kaku and Lucci twice as fast as he did but he just didn't use his full power. (Ashura is Zoro's full power and Lucci and Kaku didn't have any marks indicating 9 sword style was used.) Jimbei, he literally has been a babysitter running around doing absolutely nothing other than punching Lucci to escape with Zoro, and HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOCK HIM OUT. Don't even get me started about how the community saw Koby before Egghead. Oda, I think, just doesn't care about powerscaling and going forward after Egghead. We will see that more and more with other Characters who will be way stronger than expected. I.E. Crocodile, Moria, Doflamingo, Van Auger, Yasopp, Beckmann, Lucky Roo, Hancock, and etc.
Lmao I think this is more a middle finger to fans who read with agendas in mind. Not power scalers. Everything makes sense from a power scaling perspective.
@@kingmanga8575 I can agree with that. But, I do think that Oda will have people who no one thought would be top 50, be higher than people expect and break some agenda's and scales doing so.
@HeresyInquisitor Before I start, I'm not accusing you of saying any of these comments. But the following is a ton of stuff from Twitter/X, TH-cam, and Reddit. Also, I'm not attacking you, I'm just giving my thoughts on your points, respectfully. 1. I heard, "Slow and Old" all the time before Garp fought Aokiji. I also heard "Aokiji is obviously top 10 in the verse." And those same people had Garp in the 30's. 2. Blackbeard is the one who scarred Shanks and Shanks literally said "I wasn't slacking off when I got this scar." Shanks at that point had both arms and had a bounty of 1 billion due to his Bounty during Romance dawn being revealed later. And 90% of the one piece community has Shanks number 1 currently, not counting Kaido or Big Mom. Blackbeard using Haki infusion with the Tremor power as well is a feat. Not to mention Blackbeard having 2 devil fruit awakenings, so either he has Conquerors haki and possibly Conquerors infusion. Or he doesn't and has 2 devil fruit awakenings with armament haki infusion. 3. Koby was said to be no diff'ed by Hancock and Blackbeard. I saw that dozens of times and that is 100% not true. So, he isn't a fraud and he wasn't at 100% when he did that move. When Luffy is hungry or tired he can't use his full power, that applies to other characters and Koby was captured before then. 4. Luffy didn't use any of his max Haki powers during the fight with Kizaru, like Bajrang Gun. It could have gone far worse if Luffy wanted it too. Lastly I agree that Sanji, Jimbei and Zoro could have beaten Lucci quicker, but I don't think he is a complete push over like most people expected him to be compared to the heavy hitters.
“when aokiji was literally stated to be holding back and never once used his DF 😭” Neither of those is true though? Aokiji never made any claim of holding back, and he literally started his fight with trying to flash freeze Garp.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Garp also didn't want to fight Aokiji as well. He told him to get in line and unfreeze Hibari. Garp very well could have been holding back somewhat as well. My point was that the people who were saying Garp isn't top 20 had Aokiji top 10 and they felt Garp was vastly weaker than Aokiji. I am not calling Aokiji weak, by any means, But the gaps of strength aren't as vast as people make them out to be. Also, people like to downplay other character's to make the character's they like look stronger. If Kidd is mid or trash, Shanks one tapping him means absolutely nothing, right? I am just saying that people shouldn't be surprised or upset when character's they downplay or wank are either way stronger or way weaker than they thought.
King>>Lucci. -King has alot off resistance, so much so that he nuliffied some Zoro damaged without Acoc. He is pretty much tank 90% off OP attacks. Even if Zoro has Acoc -King offensenvily is a very good, he almost killed, Zoro if he didn't used armement haki would have died by one off is attacks. Is flames without a technique did alot off damaged to Zoro (btw, wtf are you talking about ? Zoro was serious all off the figth, Badana on is head, he fougth with a time count, he need to surpass him to better, and used a had to use acoc to beat him. With techniques, he can transform is flame to lava and do even more damaged. Is fruit make him abble to damage Marco and Zoro and have alot of speed on is attacks, he has armor and observation haki. -King has is pterodactyl form made him abble to be faster than Zoro. Without using is fruit, he has fast attack speed -King has alot of endurance, he able to fougth Zoro, Marco, Sanji (a bit) without being tired. -King techniques are excellent, is fruit make him able to have Aoe damage, fly in the air, do slash attack, and gain speed to do strong attacks, with flamme he can transform is flave to magma, make forms with it, do techniques with is swords with flames. While Lucci -Got One shot by a G5 Luffy who wasn't serious and used almost no haki ,while characters like, pre Big Mom figth Law and Kidd, Zoro Luffy base form and especially Yamato, did well against Yonkos (Zoro tanked a combine yonko attacked, injure Kaido, Law and Kid tanked many Big Moms attack and have very good offensive capabilities. Base Luffy did alot off damage to Kaido with acoc and ryo, tanked many off is attack, defended himself really well with observation haki, and is physical habilities. Break the sky in half with one acoc punch. Have excellent physical stats and is a combat genious. Yamato, one off Onigashima mvp's, stay at the rooftop and fougth Kaido, is endurance and resistance is ABSURD (tanked Kaido techniques, fougth him a long time) she has great offensive techniques, she was able to hit did some damage to Kaido, has armement/observation haki/conqueror haki. And this is off a characters who is far weaker than Kaido, and is either yc2 or between yc3 and yc2 level. Tell me, did Lucci did what all these guys did to Kaido, when Zoro need to go all out against King ? No he did not even did anything that those guys did. He got beat by a not serious Zoro (no bandana, no armement haki except in the end, and a some acoc in 1 sword)
King without his devil fruit took 2 attacks and keep pushing, lucci took 1 and he’s on life support, Zoro dodged lucci attack like it was nothing but needed king to land the his attack fist to counter him.
Do people forget that Zoro struggled to finish off Lucci after he was WEAKENED by gear 5 Luffy AND Stussy? Jinbei had to come in with the assist. Meanwhile King didnt have the same nerfs and Zoro finished him off in a simple manner, solo.😮
There literally isn’t that much evidence to prove zoro “wasn’t trying” against lucci. The manga literally shows zoro trying to defeat lucci. Yes zoro wasn’t using any form but it doesn’t prove the fact that zoro wasn’t attempting to defeat lucci. And yes lucci was like 5% hp after one attack but the manga clearly shows some bruises and scratches which would imply that zoro did struggle a little against lucci. Also zoro isn’t 100% in egghead because of wano stuff So uh yea😊
Putting Lucci anywhere near the lvl of King is disrespectful to King Lucci's speed wasn't even a factor against Zoro, he easily handled him Dodged a barrage of his attacks point blank While against King, Zoro had trouble dodging Tempura Udon So speed goes to King Attack Power: Also goes to King, King was blocking CoC Coated Attacks and pushed Zoro back, Very few character manage to OverPower Zoro in a clash Lucci's AP pales in comparasion DC: Goes to King Durability, Also Goes to King obviously Endurance, To King, given the fact that King took "King of Hell Three sword style" named attacks and 1 King of Hell Three Dragon Style" named attack before he was unable to fight While Lucci was cooked after 1 3 sword style named attack which we're not even sure if it's CoC infused So we got Abilities: King AP: King DC: King Range: King Hax:King Haki: Lucci? Speed: King Durability: King Endurance: King Only thing Lucci has on King is Haki, and that's a Maybe King > Lucci Mid-High diff
2:40 1st: what does having to fight 4 people have to deal with durability? That makes no sense. 2nd: Kaido got scratched in dragon form by Zoro dragon twister. And then later on got cut by zoro strongest attack. Meanwhile, King let Zoro land a clean sword attack twice, and it didn't even cut his clothing. Flames on King has better durability than Kaido. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what durability means.
Great vid, one nit pick tho. Zoans don't "revert" back to their original form by being kocked out. If this were true: 1. Chopper would go into "walk point" every time he's knocked out. 2. Rob Lucci would have reverted after being knocked out by jet gatling in pretimeskip. 3. The gun-dog from alabasta would revert when knocked out by usopp and chopper.
King is more durable then kaido him fighting multiple people doesn’t change his level of durability? We’re told directly by king his durability is great even by zoan standards and luffy literally compares the seraphim’s durability to kaido’s keeping in mind these are lunarian children
lol. it took zoro advanced conq. haki to even damage king. what makes u think lucci could even scratch him? he tanked more than kaido. zoro actually cut kaido in hybrid and dragon form and couldnt even scratch king pre advanced conq. haki. King low diffs lucci just like zoro did
Only if King were to be smart about his flames since the combined efforts of Luffy, Lucci, Kaku and Zoro couldnt perm knock down the seraphim with unlimited flames so because of this he COULD win but Lucci probably negs
He can't. Zoro even stated that the Seraphim are slightly different from King, because their flames never seem to run out, which basically means that King most likely has to turn it off every once in a while. If that wasn't the case King could've just let Zoro throw everything at him and come out unscathed until Zoro pulled off another Ashura attack to get through his defense.
@HeresyInquisitorBro just hates Lucci and cant accept the truth the only reason King vs Zoro lasted as long as it did was because of the flames after that Zoro defeated him in way less time than it took for him to finish off Lucci
Well the monster trio can damage flame's on lunarian Sanji is able to make PERMENT scars with a single strike without even using ifrit jambe and Zoro and Luffy are around Sanji AP so the entire monster trio at full power can easily damage flame's on lunarians
Flames-on King is blatantly more durable than dragon Kaido lol. Not even debatable. Not only is it implied and shown but there isn’t a single feat that contradicts it. It’s honestly more disingenuous to argue otherwise.
The whole king being more durable then dragon kaido thing was so stupid to me, king blocked zoro’s twister with his wings in full beast form along with his flames being on, bro was fully guarded kaido didn’t really guard against the attack, the only defense he had was his scales idk how that translated to king> kaido in durability
@@amogus1415 don’t you think that’s a lil disingenuous given what we know about them? kiado has a mythical zoan while king only has an ancient, plus Kaido’s an oni who coats his body in conquerors, So king at his best would maybe be relative to hybrid kaido, definitely not him at his best
King directly took Lion Song without any damage which was flat out stated to be stronger than Dragon Twister. It's been 3 years since their fight and you're still ignorant about this? Zoro never thought about Kaido's durability as much as he did about King's.
@@ClarkeMichaelDuncan The scan specifically only mentions the kaido that zoro fought(obviously) Zoro never faces kaido at full power.If Ling or Loro existed near full power,acoc,drunk,shuron hakke,Waido HIS mere stare would erase those fodders from reality
Zoro was standing in place dodging Lucci’s attack then proceeded to one paralyze him in a single attack once he started trying 😭 King would never get toyed with like that
What do you mean “Zoro and Lucci were on equal standing”? Zoro neg diffed him. He arguably had a better showing than G5 Luffy. Even though Zoro was toying with him. After fighting Luffy, Lucci was fine. However, after he fought Zoro he was severely damaged and on his last breath.
you are underestimate my boy king, during the battle with zoro, zoro was completely healed, only after the fight would he have felt the pain and in any case Zoro, before discovering King's trick and unlocking the new haki, was being dominated, so I consider him a little stronger than how you described him but I still think that Lucci can win
Let’s put it like this, let’s say if Zoro knew the whole time what Kings weakness is, we would have mid diff king if he knew his weakness from the get go
Lucci has 1 attack that could damage King in flame off mode, and he has to be point blank for it. King has hella moves that can damage Lucci. It comes down to a battle of attrition and King is going to win simply because his moves will actually do damage where as Lucci route to doing damage is so situational.
Just look at the anime, can survive gear 5th fluffy and get back up not so long after, as well as keep up with him for some time, despite being clearly overwhelmed.
Dope video man, I just have one gripe, when you discuss the glaze King gets, (which I agree he does) especially with his durability, you mention that Kaido fought 4 people at once and was holding back. I’m not sure how you can “hold back” durability. A boxer can hold back power and not KO someone but they can’t surpressed how much force it takes to knock them out.
Kaido went from getting combod by ryo gear 4 to no selling snake man acoc attacks. It’s very evident the non suppressed versions of kaido have different levels of dura. This is fiction not irl
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru how? Endurance is not even implied here. BOTH occassions had Kaido tanking hits, they're discussing how much it damaged him, that has nothing to do with endurance.
Don't see how Lucci can win when he can't cut flames, but okay. Have to rely on dodging throughout most of the fight. I'm not going to bother defending another take on lucci vs King. But Kings wins/ mid to high diff.
King ext - high difficulty Plus zoro was not really weak against king he had a pill and he was getting his ass shit on the whole fight until he unlock conquer haki . Plus king ain’t weak
Lucci beats king high diff. Feats: Speed: this one goes to lucci, as most people already know the thing that zoro lacks to become stronger is speed, which was a feat that even he beat king at, although kings devil fruit could give him the speed he needs, it doesn’t really match lucci’s devil fruit in terms of speed, because of his leopard ability Durability: DEFINITELY king, obviously cause of his lunarian abilities Strength: Both can hold their own on different fighting factors lucci has more combat skill and fighting Lucci beats king high diff. Feats: Speed: this one goes to lucci, as most people already know the thing that zoro lacks to become stronger is speed, which was a feat that even he beat king at, although kings devil fruit could give him the speed he needs, it doesn’t really match lucci’s devil fruit in terms of speed, because of his leopard ability Durability: DEFINITELY king, obviously cause of his lunarian abilities Strength: this one is tough considering on which type of strength you are scaling, lucci is stronger than king in combat skill and capabilities. Whereas king is stronger than lucci in raw strength likely because of how massive he is, he makes oden look like a dwarf in size. Haki: Lucci easily takes this spot on the list, he was able to clash with gear fives insane haki and made the clash end in a draw with both of them being ragdolled in the opposite direction, in my opinion, the ONLY reason why lucci lost to luffy was their overall devil fruits powers. Nika is a mythical zoan that is said to represent one of the four main elements, sun. Leopard is a regular zoan that should be dog water without lucci’s extreme training and ability to add extremely powerful moves like rokuogun to the mix. King was able to fight on par with zoro’s haki and was able to combine it with his flames to make an undoubtedly strong combo. But it just doesn’t scale up to lucci’s haki feats shown above. Conclusion: it would be an exciting and tough fight but lucci’s insane haki and speed combined with techniques like rokuogun would eventually overcome king’s lunarian durability and devil fruit. Though many people who favor king would argue that zoro used his bandana against king and not lucci, my counter argument is that zoro became stronger after his fight with king and zoro wasn’t even going hard on lucci which could also be said about lucci, and after the were clashing and fighting softly for a boring amount of time, Sanji made zoro snap unexpectedly so fast that he unleashed quick new strike that not even lucci was going to expect in their long boring fight, TLDR while lucci and zoro were clashing very boringly and calmly zoro snapped after sanji made fun of him, making zoro use a very unexpected finishing blow.
lol didn’t luffy say the seraphim were as tough as Kaido??? So would that not make a fully matured seraphim (aka king) also as tough if not tougher than kaido?!
Thats with flames on, and with flames on King can’t really damage someone strong (or else he would have just kept flames on and he only really attacked with flames off)
Seraphim is not even close to kaidos durability, as someone who just recently watch all of wano arc in dubb / manga. Kaido is a f****** tank bro; literally we havent seen a character with as much durability as him, it took the worst generation, + like 2 alliances, luffy + zoro etc just to get kaido serious.
Things you got wrong 1. Zoro was full hp against king because of the drug btw 2. Kings durability is over kaido whether you like it or not, you gave no scaling to show otherwise. 3. King took 2 acoc attacks, lucci took one, got scarerd for life and basically couldnt fight anymore as said by jimbei. Lucci also visibly took no damage from jimbei air just pushed him back 4. Clashing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same speed, lucci couldn’t tag luffy the whole fight
I say King is stronger , the thing is zoro has ap mpre than lucci and conq haki with lucci dosent have , speed between lucci and king (equal) lets say , and durability goes to king since hes lunarian and hes fruit is better ( anceint zon )
2:57 nobody thinks king=kaido. But the facts r kings durable form is more durable than kaido. Hybrid kaido got scarred by zoro. Pre conq coating. King on the other hand was taking no damage from the same zoro who literally just got done scarred kaido. And trying to argue that kaido was in a team battle is disingenuous. How does it being a team battle change a characters durability???
I consider anime fights non canon. They add stuff for the 20 minutes mark destroying manga narrative. And the example is Luffy vs kiddo first meeting. Luffy didn't even hurt Kaido and he K.O. gear 4 Luffy like nothing (one of the most jaw dropping moments in the manga ) while being totally stomped by booze. At the same time he didn't even acknolwdge Luffys hits during the fight. In the anime on the other hand they made it so that he was fighting seriously and gets hurt , that totally devaluated Kaido incredible durability and made him weaker just for fan service. Same logic applies here. The previous fight got repeated again but in the shoes of Luffy is Lucci and Luffy is the yoko like Kaido now. Lucci didn't stood up to one second against gear 5 Luffy while in the anime they made his awakening stronger to lengthen the episode making him op this way.
Tbh the anime makes the lucci vs Luffy fight a lot better. In the manga lucci is literally getting thrashed on which I mean is true but I feel like that makes the fight boring and it doesn’t show any growth for lucci. Unlike the manga, lucci in the anime can keep up with lucci along with reacting to g5 Luffy. And bro lands two hits which doesn’t really do anything but it makes the fight a lot better and shows the growth between the two fighters
@@Tylearned Blocking isn’t durability. Durability is static it’s just what attacks can pierce you/hurt you. Me not trying as hard isn’t going to make a dull knife stab through me easier
King does have better durability than kaido. Kaido was cut by Zoro's tatsumakii but the same attack did 0 damage to king. Only character with a case to have higher durability than King is warcry.
The thing is Lucci fought a stronger Zoro, this version of Zoro would have beat King in his base. Zoro said they get stronger each Island they visit. Law and Kidd clearly got stronger after Wano. Not sure why people assume Luffy and Zoro didn't get stronger too.
2:53 This is where I stop the video How tf do you hold back your DURABILITY and how tf does fighting multiple people decrease said durability 4:02 Headcanon
Bro the supernovas were literally weakening kaido with their consistent attacks. Like bro, kaido’s durability and endurance will eventually weaken due to the amount of attacks he is getting hit by
@@draxxprime7608You don’t think that Kaido fighting multiple people at once brought down his energy and easier to beat not specifically talking about durability here.
Lucci thrives off hitting someone's weakness thanks to his sadistic nature and while he couldn't find it in Gear 5 Luffy since Luffy's weakness is his time limit, Lucci would pick up that King's vulnerable when his flames aren't up and land a nasty hit.
Zoro, by all means did not go all out ageisnt King. He whas throwing for content most of the fight. Lucci tho, he gave Zoro asma, and made Zoro put his rasisem aside and team up with a minorety to beat him. No one has pushed zoro so far.
Lucci vs King is actually close. Using Zoro to explain the power level of these 2 character just made this kind of unfair if you ask me. And just because Luffy gear 5 fought Lucci does not mean that Lucci is anywhere close to a Yonko Level, even Zoro confirmed it. In my opinion, It is similar to Kaido just sleeping while Luffy in his gear 4th pummeled him. Kaido fighting the 9 samurai but they are nowhere even close to Kaido. Zoro had a hard time with King because of King's regeneration ability, the lunarian blood. Ultimately Zoro in the midst of combat learned how to control his conqueror Haki and won that fight. Lucci does not have an ability that seemingly close to invincibility. Zoro kind of easily defeated Lucci actually. Lucci is just tenacious while King's ability can literally took a slash from Zoro and it does zero damage. Stat wise, Lucci and King is a good match up.
For all the Katakuri fans here screaming “Future Sight and Versatility” right now. Please stop because that argument does not matter when your opponents can speed blitz your Future Sight, and have enough Haki to overpower his Devil Fruit. Most of the Samurai in Wano, the Tobbi Roppo, all of Kaido’s Top 3, at least half of the straw hats can beat him now. Lol Kat is strong, but he’s just relevant anymore both Narratively, and in terms of power.
Do yall think Sanji is stronger than King? As a slightly biased (and I mean slightly) Sanji fan, I would say Sanji wins solid high diff but not ridiculously extreme diff but I want other opinions.
"Let's see which zoro opponent is harder"
IDK but they make me pretty hard tho
LMAOOO
That’s crazy 💀
Pin of shame
I see the vision tho
speak your truth
I mean luffy himself compared the durability of the seraphim to kaido's :/
Exactly haha
After not using a single acocs or ryou attack. kaido was tanking g4 ryou+acocs attacks from luffy and getting up with 0 damage
@@williebo510kaido took damage but he endured it.
@@starboyjadenn no kaido legit tanks an overkong gun and blast breath exploding in his mouth yet doesn't make a sound nor is shown to be damaged he gets right back up unscathed and tramples on g4 luffy smh man's legit was blowing kissy faces while gettin spammed by duraneg snakeman
While Luffy compares it, king himself states his is even greater
Lucci isn’t eating that last attack king threw at zoro
Yeah dodging exist😮
@@NagaMK2000 he didn’t dodge hahava hunt lol
@@toonzmanz7966 he will with haki + tekkai and if he guards with his arms
@@toonzmanz7966is king attack as fast as that attack ?
@@creamsoda1 but he didnt. zoro speed blitzed him.
The fact that people actually thought that Zoro should neg diff Lucci is insane after we literally saw Awakened Lucci take multiple Haki infused named attacks from G5 Luffy and get up relatively quickly. Zoro was reqiured to at least use moderate effort to not even fully take down a Lucci who was already banged up from fighting Luffy. Lucci is definitely disrespected, but I don't think he beats King. Zoro clearly was using a ton more effort against King than Lucci. And Lucci lacks the AP showings to take down King. He did no damage to Luffy, no real damage to Zoro. Only really against Sentomaru on a sneak. And King wouldn't be threatened enough by Lucci's AP to risk speed form. And also King's speed form is so fast that Zoro couldn't even percieve him at points. And Zoro was just on the rooftop dodging Yonko attacks. People also forget that King also has an Ancient Zoan fruit in his back pocket. Which gives him even more durabillity, mobility and recovery rate. King's flames are also magma-like so they could definitely do damage, we just didn't see it because none strong got hit by them and Zoro has the ability to cut fire.
But luffy was just just joshing around
@@Voiid_edits I agree, but G5 will always troll to a degree and goof around no matter how strong an opponent. He definitely wasn't going all out, but we can't use that as an excuse everytime because we can't measure that. Lucci still got hit by those attacks.
Smartest Lucci fan
He has no control over nikas personality influence yet because he doesnt know hes a zoan fruit user. The nika personality goofing around instead of being serious is the very reason why everyone kept getting injured on egghead @nikjovan4816
Lucci constantly taking Ls ever since we first met him yrs ago 😂😂 awakened his df for nothing.. before time skip lucci wipes Zoro
Why don’t we use Zoro’s opinions about the opponents:
King=“if I don’t figure it out I will lose”… “one second longer and that explosion would have killed me”
Lucci=“you think you are in control of how long this battle lasts”… “oh you are still standing”
Clearly Zoro was putting respect on King, whereas with Lucci we don’t see that whatsoever.
And this doesn’t really mean anything for Luffy, in fact with the new anime context it seems like Luffy just wanted to show Lucci how outmatched he was so that he backed off (which it worked since Lucci had to call an admiral to feel confident to do anything else during this arc)
Facts. That “you still standing..”was def the opposite of “no way, he’s still standing!!?” against kaido when he went 9 sword. Zoro was literally underestimating Lucci.
@r.gentleman and lucci downplayers don't want to acknowledge that and the fact that licci fought a fully healthy zoro while king fought an already crippled zoro.
@@4tuneJohn nope, the minks medicine can completly cure a person. The backlash will be severe tho.
Plus we can argue that the time limit imposed by the medicine forced Zoro to give everythinh he had, contrary to Lucci...
@laraison6020 still that medicine didn't fully heal zoro at all did it bring his stamina and full strength?
@@4tuneJohn no it completly healed him. It makes pain, fatigue and broken bones effect disappear in exchange for a big cost later on. I don't know why people insist on giving Zoro that much of a handicap in this fight but this is dishonest.
lucci has 0 feats to prove he could even damage king and they’re probably relative speed wise with king just having a wayyyy better kit. range, number of attacks, flight, proficient swordsman/ h2h combatant. its a close fight but i think 6-7/10 times king has it
there is only 2 moves Lucci has that can could potentially be a feat that is his hand pistol technique and Rokugon being an attack if I would describe it similar to fishman karate attacking the inner of the person like how it screwed up Luffy to the point of bleeding when no haki was present and that has infused haki otherwise 6/10 times King wins just think it's closer in combat
"Isn't close."
"High difficulty."
Clicks matter, my guy.
Bruh, Lucci low diffs
Agree with the result, Lucci is super underrated in terms of power it's ridiculous. Like yes Zoro beat him but how tf does that make him a fraud, this man took an advanced conquerors named attack straight to the dome no shit it's going to damage him also it wasn't a one shot since Zoro was legit scrapping with him for a while and even had to use his green flames
because it was a mid diff at most which was offscreened and lucci did nothing
the real question is why are y’all coping? like he’s just not as strong it’s fine. king was the basis to make the STRONGEST CREATURES that lucci could not even damage.
it’s not up in the air or close. king is definitively stronger in every way
@@randalthekidd7006 The fight lasts for at least an hour. It took a while to wrap up writing in real time and most of it was offscreen about the duration of Saturn and Luffy.
High diff IMO, but I do think King whoops Lucci though.
Can't spell Lucci without an L
Corny
@@TalkingPigeon642 who doesn't love corn?
@@vegetacultminorityhunterL=Legend
@@lynxregions6724The Legendary front shot taker: Lucci 😼
cant spell king without k
(king is racist confirmed)
1: Zoro used dragon twister on kaido and it cut kaido. He used the same attack on king and it did nothing to king. Which is why people believe that flames on king durability > dragon kaido. Also even though kaido was holding back, you can’t hold back your passive durability. That just doesn’t make sense.
2: jimbei did not hit lucci with that fish man karate attack, he threw it at the ground to create a smoke screen. If he wanted to take lucci out with an attack, he would have just let Zoro do the finishing blow. He says sorry because it’s disrespectful to interrupt in a fight when someone is giving their all.
Zoro's dragon twister scared a weaker version of kaido his strongest form is the hybrid form not dragon.
@@4tuneJohn the hybrid form just takes the best qualities from the zoan form and combines it with the practicalness of your human form. It’s just grabs the best aspects of everything about you and puts it in 1 form. I could find the chapter where they talk about hybrid forms.
@@FTL_SAN even if that's the case hybrid form >>>dragon form
@@4tuneJohnthat doesn't mean that Kaido is more resistant in this form. It just mean that he combines the resistance and powers of the dragon (wich he already had when he took Zoro dragon twister) with the mobility, agility and speed of his oni form...
@@laraison6020 thank you.
The BEST you can scale king is that hes stronger than dragon kaido(no acoc) and lucci being able to take hits from g5 luffy(no acoc) puts him on another level
lol the cope to upscale lucci. he has zero feats to support any of that and even the anime suggests king is stronger where lucci was gassed
in the manga it’s no question and he’s undeniably stronger than lucci who has no feats
lucci did 0 damage to either luffy or zoro and at best can relatively keep up speed wise and has enough endurance to get beat on while they are half trying
@@randalthekidd7006 lucci narratively has to be around admiral level, greenbull if you want but still admiral level. we don't even need feats and when you do have the feats that he actually put up a better fight than kizaru against luffy then you get to see that zoro one-shotting is stupid. if you still think kizaru was boxing better than lucci with luffy get your eyes out of kizaru's ass and start reading
@HeresyInquisitorg5 pancake folded Kizaru so against king it just wouldn’t happen?
@@randalthekidd7006 dude, there are feats literally given to u on lucci, you wanna argue it, disprove those feats u say don't exist, otherwise ur just talking out ur ass and glazing ur favorite character. "Lucci traded blows with a gear five luffy l", who upscales beyond the Zoro that damaged kaido, whom was stronger than the Zoro that fought king as that Zoro, whilst perhaps more refined, is inherently weaker as he sustained injuries and was recovering. Lucci fought against an uninjured Zoro and stood a bit below if not on par. People give valid credit to a character but some people just try to ignore it and scale with bias, SCALING SHOULD NOT HAVE BIAS.
The bro is not cooking. You burned it.
Why would zoro not be at max power when he literally just took the full heal drug
I can drug you up when you have 20 broken bones, still you're weaker, cuz u got 20 broken bones.
The drugs just nerfed the pain, not the damage.
He did not get healed at all.
DC - King
AP - King
Speed - King
Range - King
Hax - King
Weapons - King
Skill - Lucci
Haki - Lucci
Durability - King
Endurance - Lucci
Recovery - Lucci
Battle IQ - Lucci
Lucci can win, he has the AP to put King down, but I doubt he would last long enough. King can take more punishment for longer. Plus, we haven't seen Much of King's Hybrid form abilities, mostly Full Zoan or Base due to Zoro's skillset. By contrast, this is a bad match for Lucci, out of respect for Zoro, King decided to engage in swordplay, he doesn't have that obligation to Lucci, who's a brawler
Come back to me when lucci damages a seraphim which luffy couldn’t damage
Lucci not being able to damage luranians is clear.
Lucci needs conq haki and he might become admiral level with it.
Thank you I think people just using head cannon that green on his sword means conq when it could just be his ryou or armament and we see zoro with 2 swords only not even using conq still fighting lucci no problem and tjats why sanji was mad he knew zoro could finish him but he's just playing with his prey. Saying lucci is as strong as zoro is like saying all scabbard combined is equal to base kaido.
No no NO! Just having conquerors alone doesn't scale you to admiral lvl. And even with advanced conqueros, you still wouldn't be on that lvl since Yamato can't beat any past or current admiral, even the weakest one being Green Bull. To be on admiral caliber, you at least need advanced armament and advanced observation since Kizaru doesn't have conquerors, but he's still an admiral lvl character nonetheless.
But I do agree with him not being able to injure King without advanced armament and or advanced conquerors. Sure Marco was able to do it, but Marco can nullify flames to some extent which likely weakened King's durability a good bit when Marco kicked him. The only way Lucci is harming King is if King turns off his flames and sacrifices his durability for speed.
Lucci gets cooked by king stop playing
🧢 🎓🎩👒👒
No
He doesn’t lmao
Watch the video lol
@@prosameelgaming5260 he does lmao. Cp-0 are overrated af.
Lucci would of finished dressrosa arc if he awakened his fruit on luffy and doffy
dressorsa Zoro would've one tapt him with 9 sword style ong, but before that Luffy King kong Gun would handeld it anyway. dont overestimate Lucci he's a two time victim for a reason.
@@Kronzo_Z egg head lucci solos everyone in dressrosa except for fuji
@@Lord_Bepo yea fujitora would be able to fight awakened lucci
@@Lord_Bepo That does make you think because of an unserious exchange between Rob Lucci and Luffy n Zoro=? first off, no cap Zoro would oblitarated him with pre acoc state, and Luffy's snakeman can actually match Lucci's fighting style in his awakening perfectly, a phyton chasing down a leopard. btw Luffy was dominating Doffy with his all out state, only his stamina was going against him like it does almost always, for plot reason's mostly. Luffy dominates in dressrosa aswell, he was not one second sweating against Lucci, even in base. 💀
@@Kronzo_Z lol I don't remember luffy having snake man in dressrosa. Luffy couldn't even finish off doflamingo in one go, he had to get saved. Zoro is no match for gear 4th luffy. Lucci speedblitz and one taps
Next video why base lucci vs kaido isn’t close
I just finished the video... you literally forgot that King is a Lunarian. Dude has top tier durability feats and his flames off has the speed to keep up. Plus, dude has fire powers that will neutralize whatever advantages Lucci has short-range. Lucci has little chance even vs Katakuri, who can foresee his attacks and trap him in Mochi.
Lucci>Kat
Future sight doesn’t work on characters who are much faster than you. I think this is pretty obvious
I agree with the video, but saying king v lucci isn't close shouldn't mean the lucci high diffs King. I feel like isn't close is a low diff situation
Durability is essentially how much damage it takes to damage you, endurance is how much damage you can take/how you’re affected by it, so if character A can harm character B but not character C, character C has better durability, if character D takes 10 hits to beat character B but only 3 for character C character B has better endurance. If you couldn’t tell this was Zoro damaging Kaido but not being able to damage king, while Kaido took far more attacks from zoro than king.
Dam the editing is good this video
Zoro had a harder time with king, zoro didn't try with lucci then speed blitz in base meaning king is faster then lucci, lucci also can't break kings defenses
honestly flames off King endured KoH bird dance and clashed two times with awakend Zoro Ultra tiger Hunt before he ended himself crashing against Dragon Damnation. meanwhile it took g5 Luffy 3 named attacks without going on his serious moves with ACoC haki, and Zoro with a new attack coated on advanced armament Haki to put out the awakend leopard, like bro we didnt even got Zoro basic moves in that exchange, it's not a fight like his 1vs1 in pre timeskip. people assume Zoro going full power Santoryu KoH mode without being able to finish Rob Lucci, and having to powering down because of that and leading him to using two sword style base, but he literally has (Enma the whole fight in his hand, the sword which is supposed to drain his stamina and hold him back) that off screen fight to assume he machtes full power Zoro's full arsenal with his awakend Zoan DF is pure cope without any evidence.
@@Kronzo_Z still don't put lucci over king
@@ltsMotion I agreed mate.
Was fighting for up to 30 minutes, the flames on his sword, going down to two swords and out of breathe then going back to three swords and using a new move after being insulted by Sanji and Lucci was still conscious and standing but yeah, Zoro definitely wasn't trying lmao
@@DANCERcow so you gonna ignore the context of the whole fight?
Some people only use the term powercliff when it comes to Katakuri but others characters they don't, i'm noticing something
Bro is 19 an this anime wise is 🥶
@@r.gentleman bro is smart
Lucci be hitting a black flash on King in the thumbnail 🗣🔥🔥
If Lucci had a mythical or even an ancient zoan instead of a regular one, he could've been stronger or atleast be same strength as Zoro
Lucci might be one of the most durable characters in One Piece not gonna lie. The only reason he’s gotten out of the equation is because Luffy is literally a Sun/Star, and Jimbei blasting him away. Bro should honestly be dead right now he’s actually crazy. The same type of attack from Acoc Zoro literally mid-diffed King and even Zoro was like damn.
king obviously scales higher than king 🤦♂️
King scales higher than king?
@@CluelessMonkeyKing lucci lol
Did he just say high diff Lucci wins? Never let this guy cook again bro ..
watch the video to understand
@@ChaiUsereven watching the video you can’t understand it’s illogical to say lucci wins high diff, is lucci disrespected yes but that don’t mean he is beating king
@@slumplump3356literally tf ppl act like king beating lucci is disrespectful ppl really underestimating how strong king is and was and still is it took literal everything for zoro to beat him zoro hasn’t improved that much from wano yet he still barely tried to beat lucci foh
@@justhere6507 lucci has zero feats to show he can pressure a lunarian
@@slumplump3356 exactly
I think Oda is sick of powerscaling and Egghead was his middle finger to all of the powerscalers. Shanks fodderized Kidd and Killer by himself. Blackbeard only needed half his crew to decimate Law's entire crew. Garp absolutely humbled the Admiral stans. Koby proved everyone wrong about how strong he is. Luffy violated Kizaru on multiple occasions. And The Gorosei are being shown to be more of a problem then anyone expected before Egghead. Oda also had Sanji, Jimbei, and Zoro looking like crap in Egghead compared to Wano. Sanji, he blocks a beam after being charged and then says Kizaru won't get past him. Then next chapter or 2 Kizaru absolutely speed blitzes Vegapunk and Sanji is not even paying attention. Also, he got violated by Saturn's death stare. Zoro, he could have dealt with Kaku and Lucci twice as fast as he did but he just didn't use his full power. (Ashura is Zoro's full power and Lucci and Kaku didn't have any marks indicating 9 sword style was used.) Jimbei, he literally has been a babysitter running around doing absolutely nothing other than punching Lucci to escape with Zoro, and HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOCK HIM OUT. Don't even get me started about how the community saw Koby before Egghead. Oda, I think, just doesn't care about powerscaling and going forward after Egghead. We will see that more and more with other Characters who will be way stronger than expected. I.E. Crocodile, Moria, Doflamingo, Van Auger, Yasopp, Beckmann, Lucky Roo, Hancock, and etc.
Lmao I think this is more a middle finger to fans who read with agendas in mind. Not power scalers. Everything makes sense from a power scaling perspective.
@@kingmanga8575 I can agree with that. But, I do think that Oda will have people who no one thought would be top 50, be higher than people expect and break some agenda's and scales doing so.
@HeresyInquisitor Before I start, I'm not accusing you of saying any of these comments. But the following is a ton of stuff from Twitter/X, TH-cam, and Reddit. Also, I'm not attacking you, I'm just giving my thoughts on your points, respectfully.
1. I heard, "Slow and Old" all the time before Garp fought Aokiji. I also heard "Aokiji is obviously top 10 in the verse." And those same people had Garp in the 30's.
2. Blackbeard is the one who scarred Shanks and Shanks literally said "I wasn't slacking off when I got this scar." Shanks at that point had both arms and had a bounty of 1 billion due to his Bounty during Romance dawn being revealed later. And 90% of the one piece community has Shanks number 1 currently, not counting Kaido or Big Mom. Blackbeard using Haki infusion with the Tremor power as well is a feat. Not to mention Blackbeard having 2 devil fruit awakenings, so either he has Conquerors haki and possibly Conquerors infusion. Or he doesn't and has 2 devil fruit awakenings with armament haki infusion.
3. Koby was said to be no diff'ed by Hancock and Blackbeard. I saw that dozens of times and that is 100% not true. So, he isn't a fraud and he wasn't at 100% when he did that move. When Luffy is hungry or tired he can't use his full power, that applies to other characters and Koby was captured before then.
4. Luffy didn't use any of his max Haki powers during the fight with Kizaru, like Bajrang Gun. It could have gone far worse if Luffy wanted it too.
Lastly I agree that Sanji, Jimbei and Zoro could have beaten Lucci quicker, but I don't think he is a complete push over like most people expected him to be compared to the heavy hitters.
“when aokiji was literally stated to be holding back and never once used his DF 😭”
Neither of those is true though? Aokiji never made any claim of holding back, and he literally started his fight with trying to flash freeze Garp.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Garp also didn't want to fight Aokiji as well. He told him to get in line and unfreeze Hibari. Garp very well could have been holding back somewhat as well. My point was that the people who were saying Garp isn't top 20 had Aokiji top 10 and they felt Garp was vastly weaker than Aokiji. I am not calling Aokiji weak, by any means, But the gaps of strength aren't as vast as people make them out to be. Also, people like to downplay other character's to make the character's they like look stronger. If Kidd is mid or trash, Shanks one tapping him means absolutely nothing, right? I am just saying that people shouldn't be surprised or upset when character's they downplay or wank are either way stronger or way weaker than they thought.
4:38 - "Why Lucci VS King Isn’t Close", clickbait goes crazy.
King>>Lucci.
-King has alot off resistance, so much so that he nuliffied some Zoro damaged without Acoc. He is pretty much tank 90% off OP attacks. Even if Zoro has Acoc
-King offensenvily is a very good, he almost killed, Zoro if he didn't used armement haki would have died by one off is attacks. Is flames without a technique did alot off damaged to Zoro (btw, wtf are you talking about ? Zoro was serious all off the figth, Badana on is head, he fougth with a time count, he need to surpass him to better, and used a had to use acoc to beat him. With techniques, he can transform is flame to lava and do even more damaged. Is fruit make him abble to damage Marco and Zoro and have alot of speed on is attacks, he has armor and observation haki.
-King has is pterodactyl form made him abble to be faster than Zoro. Without using is fruit, he has fast attack speed
-King has alot of endurance, he able to fougth Zoro, Marco, Sanji (a bit) without being tired.
-King techniques are excellent, is fruit make him able to have Aoe damage, fly in the air, do slash attack, and gain speed to do strong attacks, with flamme he can transform is flave to magma, make forms with it, do techniques with is swords with flames.
While Lucci
-Got One shot by a G5 Luffy who wasn't serious and used almost no haki ,while characters like, pre Big Mom figth Law and Kidd, Zoro Luffy base form and especially Yamato, did well against Yonkos (Zoro tanked a combine yonko attacked, injure Kaido, Law and Kid tanked many Big Moms attack and have very good offensive capabilities. Base Luffy did alot off damage to Kaido with acoc and ryo, tanked many off is attack, defended himself really well with observation haki, and is physical habilities. Break the sky in half with one acoc punch. Have excellent physical stats and is a combat genious. Yamato, one off Onigashima mvp's, stay at the rooftop and fougth Kaido, is endurance and resistance is ABSURD (tanked Kaido techniques, fougth him a long time) she has great offensive techniques, she was able to hit did some damage to Kaido, has armement/observation haki/conqueror haki. And this is off a characters who is far weaker than Kaido, and is either yc2 or between yc3 and yc2 level. Tell me, did Lucci did what all these guys did to Kaido, when Zoro need to go all out against King ? No he did not even did anything that those guys did. He got beat by a not serious Zoro (no bandana, no armement haki except in the end, and a some acoc in 1 sword)
King without his devil fruit took 2 attacks and keep pushing, lucci took 1 and he’s on life support, Zoro dodged lucci attack like it was nothing but needed king to land the his attack fist to counter him.
Do people forget that Zoro struggled to finish off Lucci after he was WEAKENED by gear 5 Luffy AND Stussy? Jinbei had to come in with the assist. Meanwhile King didnt have the same nerfs and Zoro finished him off in a simple manner, solo.😮
Nah I remember you making up some bs about King
@@danielfonville1840 what?
Zoro wasn't even trying against lucci , now u telling lucci is stronger than king , are u watching lucci piece ?
There literally isn’t that much evidence to prove zoro “wasn’t trying” against lucci. The manga literally shows zoro trying to defeat lucci. Yes zoro wasn’t using any form but it doesn’t prove the fact that zoro wasn’t attempting to defeat lucci. And yes lucci was like 5% hp after one attack but the manga clearly shows some bruises and scratches which would imply that zoro did struggle a little against lucci.
Also zoro isn’t 100% in egghead because of wano stuff So uh yea😊
i think King is above Lucci and Lucci is on par with Katakuri
Very reasonable
Lucci low diffs katakuri
🤡
@@thefarmer6541
A YC1 getting low diffed by Lucci? Hilarious
@@canasdad9115 someone who gets one tapped by base Luffy would get low diffed by lucci
Let’s see if the title is clickbait or if it’s legit.
its clickbait
Putting Lucci anywhere near the lvl of King is disrespectful to King
Lucci's speed wasn't even a factor against Zoro, he easily handled him
Dodged a barrage of his attacks point blank
While against King, Zoro had trouble dodging Tempura Udon
So speed goes to King
Attack Power: Also goes to King, King was blocking CoC Coated Attacks and pushed Zoro back, Very few character manage to OverPower Zoro in a clash
Lucci's AP pales in comparasion
DC: Goes to King
Durability, Also Goes to King obviously
Endurance, To King, given the fact that King took "King of Hell Three sword style" named attacks and 1 King of Hell Three Dragon Style" named attack before he was unable to fight
While Lucci was cooked after 1 3 sword style named attack which we're not even sure if it's CoC infused
So we got
Abilities: King
AP: King
DC: King
Range: King
Hax:King
Haki: Lucci?
Speed: King
Durability: King
Endurance: King
Only thing Lucci has on King is Haki, and that's a Maybe
King > Lucci Mid-High diff
2:40
1st: what does having to fight 4 people have to deal with durability? That makes no sense.
2nd: Kaido got scratched in dragon form by Zoro dragon twister. And then later on got cut by zoro strongest attack. Meanwhile, King let Zoro land a clean sword attack twice, and it didn't even cut his clothing.
Flames on King has better durability than Kaido. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what durability means.
Zoro was always in control during his battle with Lucci.
King would beat Lucci.
Bad vid, good editing
funny little thing, lucci was only standing because sometimes leopards stand even while dead because their leg muscles are so insanely strong
Lucci (No Plot Power or Plot Armor)
wait... almost 20, I'M ALSO ALMOST 20!!! WHAT AM *I* DOIN?!!?!
Great vid, one nit pick tho.
Zoans don't "revert" back to their original form by being kocked out.
If this were true:
1. Chopper would go into "walk point" every time he's knocked out.
2. Rob Lucci would have reverted after being knocked out by jet gatling in pretimeskip.
3. The gun-dog from alabasta would revert when knocked out by usopp and chopper.
Oh boy, reading the comments always makes me sad, because noone seems to understand what they are reading.
"I'm almost 20, what am I doing" bro , I thought the same thing about one piece at that age.. now I'm nearly 30 💀😂
Definitely not disingenuous to think that King's durability is comparable or greater than Kaido's. Kaido is/was still more powerful.
King is more durable then kaido him fighting multiple people doesn’t change his level of durability?
We’re told directly by king his durability is great even by zoan standards and luffy literally compares the seraphim’s durability to kaido’s keeping in mind these are lunarian children
As King once said.
“You’re biologically incapable of beating me.”
Someone has finally stopped overtaeing king
Another Lucci meatrider over here.. King would wipe the floors with Lucci. Facts
lol. it took zoro advanced conq. haki to even damage king. what makes u think lucci could even scratch him? he tanked more than kaido. zoro actually cut kaido in hybrid and dragon form and couldnt even scratch king pre advanced conq. haki. King low diffs lucci just like zoro did
King has;
the better devil fruit
Better blood line
Stronger and more durable
Faster when he’s not lit up
King wins mid dif MAYBE high dif
Only if King were to be smart about his flames since the combined efforts of Luffy, Lucci, Kaku and Zoro couldnt perm knock down the seraphim with unlimited flames so because of this he COULD win but Lucci probably negs
He can't. Zoro even stated that the Seraphim are slightly different from King, because their flames never seem to run out, which basically means that King most likely has to turn it off every once in a while. If that wasn't the case King could've just let Zoro throw everything at him and come out unscathed until Zoro pulled off another Ashura attack to get through his defense.
@HeresyInquisitorBro just hates Lucci and cant accept the truth the only reason King vs Zoro lasted as long as it did was because of the flames after that Zoro defeated him in way less time than it took for him to finish off Lucci
Well the monster trio can damage flame's on lunarian Sanji is able to make PERMENT scars with a single strike without even using ifrit jambe and Zoro and Luffy are around Sanji AP so the entire monster trio at full power can easily damage flame's on lunarians
Flames-on King is blatantly more durable than dragon Kaido lol. Not even debatable. Not only is it implied and shown but there isn’t a single feat that contradicts it. It’s honestly more disingenuous to argue otherwise.
Zoro wasnt in the same mental state as when he fought king
The whole king being more durable then dragon kaido thing was so stupid to me, king blocked zoro’s twister with his wings in full beast form along with his flames being on, bro was fully guarded
kaido didn’t really guard against the attack, the only defense he had was his scales
idk how that translated to king> kaido in durability
Cause zoro and king implied it
Like king blatantly says hes more durable than dragon kaido,and zoro doesnt disagree
@@amogus1415 don’t you think that’s a lil disingenuous given what we know about them?
kiado has a mythical zoan while king only has an ancient, plus Kaido’s an oni who coats his body in conquerors, So king at his best would maybe be relative to hybrid kaido, definitely not him at his best
King directly took Lion Song without any damage which was flat out stated to be stronger than Dragon Twister. It's been 3 years since their fight and you're still ignorant about this? Zoro never thought about Kaido's durability as much as he did about King's.
@@ClarkeMichaelDuncan The scan specifically only mentions the kaido that zoro fought(obviously)
Zoro never faces kaido at full power.If Ling or Loro existed near full power,acoc,drunk,shuron hakke,Waido HIS mere stare would erase those fodders from reality
@@Dracule18 Exactly,it's very blatant kings durability>the dragon kaido zoro fought
Zoro was standing in place dodging Lucci’s attack then proceeded to one paralyze him in a single attack once he started trying 😭 King would never get toyed with like that
What do you mean “Zoro and Lucci were on equal standing”? Zoro neg diffed him. He arguably had a better showing than G5 Luffy. Even though Zoro was toying with him. After fighting Luffy, Lucci was fine. However, after he fought Zoro he was severely damaged and on his last breath.
you are underestimate my boy king, during the battle with zoro, zoro was completely healed, only after the fight would he have felt the pain and in any case Zoro, before discovering King's trick and unlocking the new haki, was being dominated, so I consider him a little stronger than how you described him but I still think that Lucci can win
Let’s put it like this, let’s say if Zoro knew the whole time what Kings weakness is, we would have mid diff king if he knew his weakness from the get go
Lucci has 1 attack that could damage King in flame off mode, and he has to be point blank for it. King has hella moves that can damage Lucci. It comes down to a battle of attrition and King is going to win simply because his moves will actually do damage where as Lucci route to doing damage is so situational.
bluds a clickbaiter!161!11111 at 4:39 he says its close but the title is 'Why Lucci VS King Isn't Close'
jk ily tylearned
Bro tbf, thematically speaking, King is literally Kaidos zoro from both the part he plays to his relationship with his captain.
Just look at the anime, can survive gear 5th fluffy and get back up not so long after, as well as keep up with him for some time, despite being clearly overwhelmed.
Dope video man, I just have one gripe, when you discuss the glaze King gets, (which I agree he does) especially with his durability, you mention that Kaido fought 4 people at once and was holding back. I’m not sure how you can “hold back” durability. A boxer can hold back power and not KO someone but they can’t surpressed how much force it takes to knock them out.
Kaido went from getting combod by ryo gear 4 to no selling snake man acoc attacks. It’s very evident the non suppressed versions of kaido have different levels of dura. This is fiction not irl
@@Tylearnedyou're confusing endurance with durability
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru how? Endurance is not even implied here. BOTH occassions had Kaido tanking hits, they're discussing how much it damaged him, that has nothing to do with endurance.
Don't see how Lucci can win when he can't cut flames, but okay. Have to rely on dodging throughout most of the fight.
I'm not going to bother defending another take on lucci vs King. But Kings wins/ mid to high diff.
King ext - high difficulty
Plus zoro was not really weak against king he had a pill and he was getting his ass shit on the whole fight until he unlock conquer haki . Plus king ain’t weak
There's nothing Lucci can do to take down King. But if King actually puts in effort, he washes Lucci
Lucci beats king high diff.
Feats:
Speed: this one goes to lucci, as most people already know the thing that zoro lacks to become stronger is speed, which was a feat that even he beat king at, although kings devil fruit could give him the speed he needs, it doesn’t really match lucci’s devil fruit in terms of speed, because of his leopard ability
Durability: DEFINITELY king, obviously cause of his lunarian abilities
Strength: Both can hold their own on different fighting factors lucci has more combat skill and fighting Lucci beats king high diff.
Feats:
Speed: this one goes to lucci, as most people already know the thing that zoro lacks to become stronger is speed, which was a feat that even he beat king at, although kings devil fruit could give him the speed he needs, it doesn’t really match lucci’s devil fruit in terms of speed, because of his leopard ability
Durability: DEFINITELY king, obviously cause of his lunarian abilities
Strength: this one is tough considering on which type of strength you are scaling, lucci is stronger than king in combat skill and capabilities. Whereas king is stronger than lucci in raw strength likely because of how massive he is, he makes oden look like a dwarf in size.
Haki: Lucci easily takes this spot on the list, he was able to clash with gear fives insane haki and made the clash end in a draw with both of them being ragdolled in the opposite direction, in my opinion, the ONLY reason why lucci lost to luffy was their overall devil fruits powers. Nika is a mythical zoan that is said to represent one of the four main elements, sun. Leopard is a regular zoan that should be dog water without lucci’s extreme training and ability to add extremely powerful moves like rokuogun to the mix. King was able to fight on par with zoro’s haki and was able to combine it with his flames to make an undoubtedly strong combo. But it just doesn’t scale up to lucci’s haki feats shown above.
Conclusion: it would be an exciting and tough fight but lucci’s insane haki and speed combined with techniques like rokuogun would eventually overcome king’s lunarian durability and devil fruit.
Though many people who favor king would argue that zoro used his bandana against king and not lucci, my counter argument is that zoro became stronger after his fight with king and zoro wasn’t even going hard on lucci which could also be said about lucci, and after the were clashing and fighting softly for a boring amount of time, Sanji made zoro snap unexpectedly so fast that he unleashed quick new strike that not even lucci was going to expect in their long boring fight,
TLDR while lucci and zoro were clashing very boringly and calmly zoro snapped after sanji made fun of him, making zoro use a very unexpected finishing blow.
lol didn’t luffy say the seraphim were as tough as Kaido??? So would that not make a fully matured seraphim (aka king) also as tough if not tougher than kaido?!
Thats with flames on, and with flames on King can’t really damage someone strong (or else he would have just kept flames on and he only really attacked with flames off)
@@nerdcorner2680 he was able to damage zoro??
@@Sociallybeast01 with flames off, with flames on he never really did
@@nerdcorner2680 the trade offs with lunarians are speed and durability . Not sure where you got attack power from.
Seraphim is not even close to kaidos durability, as someone who just recently watch all of wano arc in dubb / manga. Kaido is a f****** tank bro; literally we havent seen a character with as much durability as him, it took the worst generation, + like 2 alliances, luffy + zoro etc just to get kaido serious.
Things you got wrong
1. Zoro was full hp against king because of the drug btw
2. Kings durability is over kaido whether you like it or not, you gave no scaling to show otherwise.
3. King took 2 acoc attacks, lucci took one, got scarerd for life and basically couldnt fight anymore as said by jimbei. Lucci also visibly took no damage from jimbei air just pushed him back
4. Clashing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same speed, lucci couldn’t tag luffy the whole fight
daddy king slams
edit : finished the video 😭
he does ngl
It’s hilarious that people think King is stronger than Lucci 😂
This vid doesn't explain how Lucci gets King to turn his flames off
King bodying lucci
I say King is stronger , the thing is zoro has ap mpre than lucci and conq haki with lucci dosent have , speed between lucci and king (equal) lets say , and durability goes to king since hes lunarian and hes fruit is better ( anceint zon )
Lucci is stronger then this guy
Lucci is also stronger than fraudakuri
W
Stronger but not more durable and not faster.
@@Cipher_Paul Lucci is definitely faster than King.
@@Cipher_Paul lucci is faster than king
But wouldn’t he lose to katakuris advanced observation / speed and conquerors?
My main problem with lucci vs king is what does lucci have that can pierce king skin maybe the 5gun pistol
2:57 nobody thinks king=kaido. But the facts r kings durable form is more durable than kaido. Hybrid kaido got scarred by zoro. Pre conq coating. King on the other hand was taking no damage from the same zoro who literally just got done scarred kaido. And trying to argue that kaido was in a team battle is disingenuous. How does it being a team battle change a characters durability???
Thanks fam because honestly if lucci was weaker than king that would mean that zoro is getting weaker
I consider anime fights non canon. They add stuff for the 20 minutes mark destroying manga narrative. And the example is Luffy vs kiddo first meeting. Luffy didn't even hurt Kaido and he K.O. gear 4 Luffy like nothing (one of the most jaw dropping moments in the manga ) while being totally stomped by booze. At the same time he didn't even acknolwdge Luffys hits during the fight. In the anime on the other hand they made it so that he was fighting seriously and gets hurt , that totally devaluated Kaido incredible durability and made him weaker just for fan service. Same logic applies here. The previous fight got repeated again but in the shoes of Luffy is Lucci and Luffy is the yoko like Kaido now.
Lucci didn't stood up to one second against gear 5 Luffy while in the anime they made his awakening stronger to lengthen the episode making him op this way.
Tbh the anime makes the lucci vs Luffy fight a lot better. In the manga lucci is literally getting thrashed on which I mean is true but I feel like that makes the fight boring and it doesn’t show any growth for lucci. Unlike the manga, lucci in the anime can keep up with lucci along with reacting to g5 Luffy. And bro lands two hits which doesn’t really do anything but it makes the fight a lot better and shows the growth between the two fighters
How does holding back decrease your durability..?
You can put less effort to block an attack lol
@@Tylearned Blocking isn’t durability. Durability is static it’s just what attacks can pierce you/hurt you. Me not trying as hard isn’t going to make a dull knife stab through me easier
If you block an attack it’ll do less damage sure but blocking doing prevent a knife from piercing the skin
5:20 No way bro said that in a scene where Kaidou literally killed him in that attack looooooool
He literally survived tho, he was the one to give the photo for G5 wanted poster.
If you want a guaranteed pop off video do uncle grandpa vs sukuna/ goku or other big 3 members
King does have better durability than kaido. Kaido was cut by Zoro's tatsumakii but the same attack did 0 damage to king. Only character with a case to have higher durability than King is warcry.
Gucci mops the floor with King-mid diff 🗿.
@HeresyInquisitor zoro high-extreme diffed
@HeresyInquisitor Already is.
Ooh king is so underated 🥴🥴
The thing is Lucci fought a stronger Zoro, this version of Zoro would have beat King in his base. Zoro said they get stronger each Island they visit. Law and Kidd clearly got stronger after Wano. Not sure why people assume Luffy and Zoro didn't get stronger too.
No way to prove Zoro got far beyond the power he had when he faced king and Zoro beating king extreme diff and beating Lucci mid diff is not the same.
2:53
This is where I stop the video
How tf do you hold back your DURABILITY and how tf does fighting multiple people decrease said durability
4:02 Headcanon
Bro the supernovas were literally weakening kaido with their consistent attacks. Like bro, kaido’s durability and endurance will eventually weaken due to the amount of attacks he is getting hit by
@@CluelessMonkeyKing Durability does not weaken unless directly stated
@@draxxprime7608 I guess
@@draxxprime7608You don’t think that Kaido fighting multiple people at once brought down his energy and easier to beat not specifically talking about durability here.
@@danielfonville1840 well durability is what I'm talking about so I don't get the point you're trying to make
Lucci thrives off hitting someone's weakness thanks to his sadistic nature and while he couldn't find it in Gear 5 Luffy since Luffy's weakness is his time limit, Lucci would pick up that King's vulnerable when his flames aren't up and land a nasty hit.
Zoro, by all means did not go all out ageisnt King. He whas throwing for content most of the fight. Lucci tho, he gave Zoro asma, and made Zoro put his rasisem aside and team up with a minorety to beat him. No one has pushed zoro so far.
Lucci vs King is actually close. Using Zoro to explain the power level of these 2 character just made this kind of unfair if you ask me. And just because Luffy gear 5 fought Lucci does not mean that Lucci is anywhere close to a Yonko Level, even Zoro confirmed it. In my opinion, It is similar to Kaido just sleeping while Luffy in his gear 4th pummeled him. Kaido fighting the 9 samurai but they are nowhere even close to Kaido.
Zoro had a hard time with King because of King's regeneration ability, the lunarian blood. Ultimately Zoro in the midst of combat learned how to control his conqueror Haki and won that fight.
Lucci does not have an ability that seemingly close to invincibility. Zoro kind of easily defeated Lucci actually. Lucci is just tenacious while King's ability can literally took a slash from Zoro and it does zero damage.
Stat wise, Lucci and King is a good match up.
What I want to know is how the fuck or who the fuck managed to wipe out the lunarians when they are so op
For all the Katakuri fans here screaming “Future Sight and Versatility” right now. Please stop because that argument does not matter when your opponents can speed blitz your Future Sight, and have enough Haki to overpower his Devil Fruit. Most of the Samurai in Wano, the Tobbi Roppo, all of Kaido’s Top 3, at least half of the straw hats can beat him now. Lol Kat is strong, but he’s just relevant anymore both Narratively, and in terms of power.
Do yall think Sanji is stronger than King? As a slightly biased (and I mean slightly) Sanji fan, I would say Sanji wins solid high diff but not ridiculously extreme diff but I want other opinions.
Bro no way 💀
Ok but Kaido wasn’t holding back. He said himself he doesn’t make himself weaker and getting drunk is an amp. I do agree with Lucci winning though