Ignore the 5sec time counter in the middle and the 10 sec counter towards the end 0:50 The Dead Sea Scrolls 11:15 Daniel & The Deuteronomy 32 Worldview 22:15 Nebuchadnezzar & Deuteronomy 32 Worldview 27:03 How was the Deuteronomy 32 Worldview lost 38:12 Where does Freedom come from 43:03 Biblical morality is a preservative 47:35 Biblical morality in evangelism while under persecution 56:43 Biblical leadership model
I have recently been thinking of watching some of Heiser and then I saw that he had left us. I chose this video to watch and I'm glad I did! God bless you!
Michael Heiser in my opinion not only has studied God the Bible, languages, history etc but he has a real relationship with our God, - this interview was such a blessing to the body of Christ that I sent this to SO many of my phone contacts - I pray for his healing and service to our God and for you getting this out to the world for the body of Christ to finally change!!!
@@TheLookingGlassAU And possibly, to clarify the topics of 2 Samuel 24 and Matthew 7:9, also? Perhaps with some referent to Numbers 21:6, latterly? A suggestion, anyway.
My Teacher, Dr. Michael Heiser........ I am so Thankful that He spent the years learning and studying and growing in The Lord because I know NO ONE like Him! He's The absolute real deal who does strip all the tradition away to reveal THE BIBLE.....
What raises my hackles a bit is how many times he's mentioned topics that scholars have known & discussed for years. But they're not bringing this stuff to the public, as I guess that is below those high brow PhD's to humble themselves teaching the hungry masses. That alone separates Heiser from the pack, as the east is from the west.
I am in absolute agreement with you sir I have been listening to Dr. Michael Heiser for a couple of years and I'm just blown away by his teaching style, his dedication to CONTEXT!! I bought Unseen Realm & Reversing Hermon and I've read through them twice already and I think I'm gonna go over them a 3rd time!! Lolo.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I hate ignorant, under educated pretenders masquerading as Pastors,Evangelists who Poo poo the important textual relevant pieces of Scripture like GEN.6 1-4, FIRST Kings 22, Job 1 chp,cho.38., Deuteronomy 32.etc...
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Maybe also the matter of why Romans 1:18 failed quite so much, in the angelic realm, can become a future topic of discussion, say? And I do not necessarily mean the exact wording, but rather, the basic premise, here. Heaven must surely be as 'natural' as the rest of nature. Or started out so, anyway, via same invisible attributes and qualities.
Michael Heiser is my favorite Biblical Teacher. We're praying for you brother Mike. Keep up the excellent work. I'd buy that new video " Unseen Realm" that's so beautifully made. Corbin Bernsen in it , if you put it on DVD. God is with you.
What a great interview with Dr. Michael Heiser, very well done The Looking Glass!! I think you guys touched on a lot of subjects that are ever important, and will be getting more important as we keep on time-traveling into the future. The saying goes: later will be greater, but as the ride is going to get a bit rougher, we need things to hold on to. Dr. Michael Heiser has brought forth much work for us to grasp, and in this video you have his persononal views on the trouble to come, it shure feels like a blessing to be able to watch and learn. I got triggered by your video responding to his health situation, I for one will keep Dr. Heiser and his loved ones in prayer, that our Lord may give them strenght to endure these difficult times. Great work!! ❤💛💚
Thankyou Dr. Heiser...I agree that the original church is not physical architecture with all kinds of bells and whistles....the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers and the Lord will provide the necessary help to bring the believers together and they can meet anywhere anytime and two by two reach out to others.
Thanks for sharing. I love hearing scripture explained and having my questions answered and no one has blown my mind more than Heiser has in the last few years.
Logos Bible has released a produced infomentary on the Unseen Realm. I focus here with Mike on the Deuteronomy 32 Worldview because it is the fundamental idea that can lead you into all the other topics regarding the metanarrative of the biblical drama. It does have implication to how Christians should think of themselves and hence behave in the world which I to try to touch on here as well. Logos Bible Infomentary on the Unseen Realm: th-cam.com/video/2QM7anD5vSI/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely wonderful interview, questions, answers, and flow! It was so fluid... I am walking away with a sense of renewed hope and an invigorated sense of God's Love. Thank you so much! Bravo!🎉
This is definitely the best interview I've seen with Michael Heiser. I've always liked a lot of the teaching and content that he shared but he has said some things that has made me angry too...🤣... But this is excellent. Thanks. 🙂
Babylon is far from being Chaos, it represents a totalizing human system (without God) so while it is certainly anti-Eden (a world without Sabbath as opposed to one of eternal Sabbath) it is definitely not associated with Chaos.
@@TheLookingGlassAU what if we actually explored what today’s church body could look like if we were to “follow” instruction and example of Christ Jesus, I wonder? Let’s have THAT conversation.
@@idarachelsmith9440 I think the pandemic was a prompt from gods providence for Christians to think more about biblical Ecclesiology rather than Luther or Wesley's Ecclesiology
@@TheLookingGlassAU precisely! I AM the church. You ARE the church… not the building, nor the denomination label. Jesus IS my pastor/minister/shepherd/leader. One Spirit. One body. So, if this is true (and it is), how do we do “Church”? Each of us IS “Israel”
@@idarachelsmith9440 with respect, I'd make one alteration. We are the Church. Not I am the Church (in fact never I am the Church) where two or three gather in my name there I in the midst. The church is the body of Christ with many members and all have different functions some are pastors teachers etc, so that's real. This is why we must be very careful how we talk or how we think about ecclesiology - there is many ways to get it wrong and it's damaging to Christians to get it wrong.
Really great. You have to know the bible pretty well to follow Mike and reshuffle your (my) view quite a lot. It does make sense and it is very supernatural. Also, You (looking glass) asked really great basic questions I would have wanted to ask.
This was recorded in April last year. It was a few months before his cancer diagnosis was known. My prayer is he and his family are doing well and he will have to tolerate being here for a few more decades :)
Thanks guys. For a moment I was hoping that it was current and he was healthy again. I join you in prayers for many more years of health for Dr Heiser Elohim bless you Mike! Forget not His benefits. He heals your diseases. Bless Adonai all my soul.
Right, so at least that is clearer, now. If we could now hear why Satan had to keep powers, know good from evil seemingly more clearly than Adam and Eve ever did, and ever get near this world - or revisit heaven, to discuss Job - then that would be much appreciated. Also, has Zephaniah 1 to 3 been reframed, and how does it align with Matthew 7:14?
@chris sonofpear, Adam wasn't suppose to know evil, and Job wasn't righteous. Job was a works based belief, do A,B & C and I will be blessed. LOL he even sacrificed for his kids "just in case". How did that work out? Zephaniah has no ties to Mat. 7:14. The gate is closed by the time Zephaniah's prophesies are being fulfilled. The Day of the LORD is being fulfilled while we are hidden in many mansions; Zeph. 2:3, Jn. 14:1-4, Isa. 26:20, Rev. 3:10. The men being consumed are the end time beast aka Nations of Islam.
@@rickhuntling7338 Then, what, pray tell, was he SUPPOSED to know? To make 'choices' for billions not yet born, who'd probably not exist, if he'd not left the garden? Or to tell good from evil things? And why fear death if it's neither good or bad? And some rabbis and priests say Job was righteous, and some do not. Also, WHY SPOIL the ending? Who is being revenged against, and how many, in Zephaniah? So whole nations are on that list? Like in Esther? And yes, how did it work out? Why the smeg does it MATTER WHAT Satan thought of Job, to begin with? He was an irrational, suicidally prideful, disloyal rebel angel. If his opinion does not count as utterly irrelevant and unreliable, then what possibly could count? Augustine's garbage view of 1 Corinthians 10, maybe? And who is hidden in many mansions, and how many? Mansions are implied to be POST judgement, not pre. And many say it's not Islam - it's Catholicism, or a future one world faith. Heck, one could even go the Preterist root. Nero Caesar - fits 666 and 616 numerologies, equally. Also, pardon me if the idea of treating Job's loved ones like props, sickens me. As much as 1 Samuel 6:19 does.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Pray tell he is suppose to fear GOD and listen to the two commands issued. Cleave to Eve and be fruitfuitful ansd eat not of the tree with the liar and murderer in it. Eve ate and asked her husband to eat. The conundrum Adam was in, was to eat, cleave and die with his wife as commanded or not eat and live in paradise alone for ever. Like CHRIST the second Adam HE chose to take the brides sin on HIM self and die for HIS bride. Orginal sin was not the eating of the tree, it was the believing the liar over the LORD. Our salvation is believing the LORD and not the LIAR. "Whosoever believeth in me shall never die and I will raise him on the last day".
@@rickhuntling7338 Without knowing things are bad, what good is fear? And what has it got to do with billions not yet born, who had no conscious choice in it? And if He then hides from us all, by default - or due to us being born 'spiritually dead' - then how can we consciously 'suppress the truth' about Him? And when did Eve and Adam ever know a liar, and murderer, and invertebrate matching those terms, even existed? They barely knew what deception was. We also know, from Genesis 3:22 that the fruit DID DO what the snake said it would. The Elohim, admit as much. And why do any, but the snake, need to die at all? The snake's buddy Satan, got to revisit God, afterall. Meanwhile, this second 'bride' is drastically hemmed in, perhaps, by Matthew 7:14, Romans 8:30, 9:12, and Jude 1:4. What of 'natural men' in the meantime? Or many contented Jews? Oddly ill protected or looked out for, in say, Spain.
@@rickhuntling7338 Yet Job was called righteous by God himself. And he is listed in the hall of faith. And it's not just Islam that is the issue, it is so called Christians and other "religions" too. It is a whole system. He told Job that he does as he pleases and in his own time. That he does things for our benefit even if it doesn't seem that way. Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright (Hebrew is translated as RIGHTEOUS) man, one who fears God and shuns evil?” And God himself said not to eat of it. Adam was not ready for it without instruction which he did not yet have. But it was done out of love according to Paul to save his wife through faith. SHE sinned: Paul himself attaches the origin of sin in the world to Eve (1 Timothy 2:13-14). Adam ate because he had faith that God had a plan to save them from the sin, else Eve would be cast out completely. He had both faith and love. he trusted God and loved his wife above even himself, all to save her. Same thing Jesus did actually. You seem very argumentative fighting against everyone always. I hope you find peace.
..Don’t knock anarchy, as a political system it has a history of Christian thinkers in its formation. Christians believe we are made in the image of God, in a personal relationship with God without priests. Trust in God
I dont know if I would put it that way, but I get your point. The reason Christians are on the Earth is not to save the Earth, but to grow God's human family and to slow the destructive force of chaos. Malicious entities in the unseen keep trying to distract the Church from it's mission of discipleship and try to get it to pursue something different - like for example "social justice" as the primary role of the Church.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Oh I know we are not here to save an earth that is groaning for redemption too. God said the Church on earth will fall away and go apostate first as one of the signs the redeemed are to look for. Now we see that. They do not endure sound doctrine just as God said. This will all increase. The Holy Spirit will pull back on earth and stop restraining lawlessness. Ok we see that now too. Without God we can do nothing. The fullness of the gentiles will happen, but I don't know when that moment will come.
Good to hear and see michael doing well. Sorry to hear he was considering chemotherapy. Fasting and prayers would be more biblically sound IMO.. I am curious why he referrers to Jews as something other than what Christ signified them as.. I guess I should add, what is JEW?
55 mm Millennials have forsaken the church? What church? I love michaels work certainly, and him as a scholarly source yet am I religated to acquiescence? What church? What assembly? Ephesians chapter 4!?!
The government asking the church to compromise in order to save lives is not persecution. When elderly are dying you help. You worry about who is right, or your rights, latter.
@@TheLookingGlassAU I was just making the point, and wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I do question if much of the church responded as well as it could have?
@@qazyman when crazy times come people usually sink to their lowest level of preparation. That's a paraphrase from another man I interviewed on this channel John Loeffler. I think Christians were unprepared and didn't respond as best they could. But hindsight is 20/20
@@TheLookingGlassAU - Indeed, and your point is well taken on persecution. The times they're a changing. Personally, I struggle more with how God will respond to the modern world. I hope to see it saved in power and glory, but I imagine many Jews felt exactly the same about the Temple.
the government did not "ask", they forced all churches to shut, as well as outdoor public meetings, whilst keeping shops open. Churches were closed down and people arrested. The bible says to not give up the habit of meeting together, to visit widows and orphans, to Greet each other with a holy kiss, and to get the elders to put oil on and lay hands on the sick, not lock them away till they die of loneliness
"JudeoChristian worldview has freedom built in"... meanwhile, various Calvinists keep telling me free will is an illusion and God determines everything
@@TheLookingGlassAU You said it! Several Calvinists including a personal friend told me outright, Calvin didn't get everything right and their personal views have progressed further than what he concluded. I guess especially on Limited Atonement, where lots of his quotes don't seem to show he affirmed it.
The Dewd'er is one of the most important books. Fortunately, I've learned that the book about God has been messed with. So, you're back to gettin' it from God or not at all.
Good example is NIV which it's own creators regret making and have said the rrors were deliberate and that verses were left out. Guess what those verses all have in common? They deny Jesus as God! Each one! Gotta get back to the original and go by God not man. I concur.
58 mm.. Great question!! Peculiar answer 🤔 Team oriented? How do you figure? Paul post conversion by his own admission didn't go join 'the team' in Jerusalem but went to Arabia!? Apart from a brief confab 2 years later with ONLY peter and James held ZERO direct contact with ANY of the Jerusalem assembly for another 14 yrs! In fact, there is no record of Paul 'teaming up' with the original apostle's that I can find in the writ..
Daniel got it from the angel involved in the conflict with the principalities of Persia. He's not writting "my book" he is writting down an inspired WORD of GOD. Heiser misrepresents biblical prophecies from the actual "messengers" and asigns it to Daniel's amagination, discounting the fact 100% of the prophecies came to fulfillment in their time.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Daniel is not getting Ideas fron Deut. 32:8, "Son's of Adam" ; KJV. GOD devided the land amongst Isreal for an inheritance. No elohim is mentioned. He implies the nations were devided to other fallen angles or demons, but in context it's all about the 12 nations of Israel. He misrepresentswhere Daniel is getting his "ideals" when in fact it is from Gabriel in person then WORD YHWH himself; Dan. 10:16-21 . Prince of Persia can be a man not a fallen angle. The fallen ones are in chains in darkness unless you have a book to sell, LOL. The Nebuchadnezzar tie in was laughable. I guessing Nebuchadezzar repented and was in Abrahams' bosom 560 years till JESUS emptied the good side of hell. 1st. Pet. 3:19.
@@rickhuntling7338 Did you listen to what Dr. Heiser said it's contained in the answer to the first and second question. He answers this pretty completely. You're implication he is about selling books is extremely offensive to me. I've met the guy, you haven't.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Is he selling books? Yes or no? If yes, why does the truth offend you? Doesn't he have a book on demons? He said so in your video. Do you see Son's of GOD in Deut.32:8? Did GOD devide his land between demons? NO. HE devide it amongst the 12 tribes and the context proves it. You met the guy? Well you haven't met me yet I offend you for telling the truth. Did Daniel get his Ideals from Deut.32 or from Gabriel? Your Dr. Heisser said Deut. 32. How does he know the mind set of the authors in 1446 bc? Would that be a different GOD that changes to suit the times and audiences? I find him saying the prophets interjected their Own ideals and mind sets into the WORD offensive. JESUS said HE is the same yesterday, today and forever and HE has a book to sell. If the Essenes is his source for the mind set it would be like using the BoM or WT magazine to ascribe 20th century beliefs of 1.7 billion believers. They retreated to live away from the mainstream mind set body for reasons. Does the word "CULT" fit the Essenes by definition? The Church needs to "re-invent it's self" the "east needs to missionary the west"? LOL Anyone can say stuff and not give examples, nothing new under the sun. Obviously Heisser hasn't debated with Indonesians, Russian Orthodox or Chinese. Millenials non-belief is from secular pressures not the Church. "Me too" "woke" "naturalism" are products of the world not the Church. Anyways, the Church is for worship and fellowship not debate where the learning HIS WORD comes to light. The HOLY SPIRIT teaches us all things not men like Heisser. Wheresoever two or three are gathered in my name I AM there amongst them aka Church. It doesn't need to re-invent it's self.
@@rickhuntling7338 Friend, there is absolutely nothing reflecting Jesus in your comments. Dr. Heiser is follower of the Christ, and is treated with respect by people of faith.
Most of this is excellent, insightful, and well presented. For that, thank you! I do have a concern, though. Mike - you say God "decides" and "makes a choice." I think such language in describing God is an error. God is omniscient and immutable, and all of His works are expressions of those attributes of God, among others. God does not have to think about anything and make up His mind.
listening to a man(heiser) who claimes created beings such as angels can can council God..... s.m.h. the blind lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.
@@TheLookingGlassAU mr heiser falsely preached of a divine council made up of created beings who advised God.... scripture clearly tells us noone can council God--> [Job 21:22 KJV] 22 Shall [any] teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high.
As I said his view is not what you're characterising it as. Just simply reading the explanation in his book will clear that up. I hope you are the type of person who double checks that he has understood something properly before disregarding it.
@@TheLookingGlassAU I've listened to what he says. He thinks there is a divine council made up of something that is Not Divine. And he goes against plain Christian doctrine and teaches that gen 1:26 is not THE Trinity of Father Son and Holy Ghost that is being referred to.
That's unfortunate, you're wrong about his view, it's different than what you're saying. I hope you persist in trying to understand it. Because your calling a very honest and committed Christian scholar (close to) a heritic - and the truth couldn't be more different.
Ignore the 5sec time counter in the middle and the 10 sec counter towards the end
0:50 The Dead Sea Scrolls
11:15 Daniel & The Deuteronomy 32 Worldview
22:15 Nebuchadnezzar & Deuteronomy 32 Worldview
27:03 How was the Deuteronomy 32 Worldview lost
38:12 Where does Freedom come from
43:03 Biblical morality is a preservative
47:35 Biblical morality in evangelism while under persecution
56:43 Biblical leadership model
I have recently been thinking of watching some of Heiser and then I saw that he had left us. I chose this video to watch and I'm glad I did! God bless you!
I thought I had seen all Dr. Heiser videos available. Wow, this was such a meaty interview. Thank you Looking Glass. New Sub for sure. ✌️
Let's pray for the Health of Heiser 🙏🙏
I pray healing mahanaheim over Dr. Michael NOW in Jesus name by Faith
Amen 🙏
He's passed now. 😥
I'm so sorry Mike passed away. I've watch many of his videos. He was a true giant for Christ.
Loved this advice, this will resonate with me. Look forward to seeing Mike again in due course.
This is one of the most insightful and hair-down interviews I’ve ever seen of Mike Heiser.
Michael Heiser in my opinion not only has studied God the Bible, languages, history etc but he has a real relationship with our God, - this interview was such a blessing to the body of Christ that I sent this to SO many of my phone contacts - I pray for his healing and service to our God and for you getting this out to the world for the body of Christ to finally change!!!
Thanks, yeah I pray he recovers and is able to continue. I also pray more scholars come out in public and teach the church.
@@TheLookingGlassAU And possibly, to clarify the topics of 2 Samuel 24 and Matthew 7:9, also? Perhaps with some referent to Numbers 21:6, latterly?
A suggestion, anyway.
My Teacher, Dr. Michael Heiser........ I am so Thankful that He spent the years learning and studying and growing in The Lord because I know NO ONE like Him! He's The absolute real deal who does strip all the tradition away to reveal THE BIBLE.....
What raises my hackles a bit is how many times he's mentioned topics that scholars have known & discussed for years. But they're not bringing this stuff to the public, as I guess that is below those high brow PhD's to humble themselves teaching the hungry masses. That alone separates Heiser from the pack, as the east is from the west.
I am in absolute agreement with you sir I have been listening to Dr. Michael Heiser for a couple of years and I'm just blown away by his teaching style, his dedication to CONTEXT!! I bought Unseen Realm & Reversing Hermon and I've read through them twice already and I think I'm gonna go over them a 3rd time!! Lolo.
@@mikedag1176 Most church/religious arguments and schisms have their roots in man-made doctrines, creeds, catechisms, etc.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I hate ignorant, under educated pretenders masquerading as Pastors,Evangelists who Poo poo the important textual relevant pieces of Scripture like GEN.6 1-4, FIRST Kings 22, Job 1 chp,cho.38., Deuteronomy 32.etc...
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Maybe also the matter of why Romans 1:18 failed quite so much, in the angelic realm, can become a future topic of discussion, say?
And I do not necessarily mean the exact wording, but rather, the basic premise, here. Heaven must surely be as 'natural' as the rest of nature. Or started out so, anyway, via same invisible attributes and qualities.
One of the best interviews of Dr. Mike that I've seen. Thank you. Praying blessings for your ministry.
Thank you for your interview with Michael. God bless..
Your books are wonderful....you have opened up new dimensions in my faith. Thankyou again Dr. Heiser...God Bless You and all Your Loved ones.
Praying for Michael's healing and health! In Jesus's Mighty and Holy Name! Amen.🤲🏼
Michael Heiser is my favorite Biblical Teacher. We're praying for you brother Mike. Keep up the excellent work. I'd buy that new video " Unseen Realm" that's so beautifully made. Corbin Bernsen in it , if you put it on DVD. God is with you.
It's a great product isn't it!
I thought it was really well done.
@@TheLookingGlassAU yes indeed, please direct me how to purchase it. Thanks
@@roybatty2544 Logos have made them free!
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What a great interview with Dr. Michael Heiser, very well done The Looking Glass!! I think you guys touched on a lot of subjects that are ever important, and will be getting more important as we keep on time-traveling into the future. The saying goes: later will be greater, but as the ride is going to get a bit rougher, we need things to hold on to.
Dr. Michael Heiser has brought forth much work for us to grasp, and in this video you have his persononal views on the trouble to come, it shure feels like a blessing to be able to watch and learn. I got triggered by your video responding to his health situation, I for one will keep Dr. Heiser and his loved ones in prayer, that our Lord may give them strenght to endure these difficult times.
Great work!!
❤💛💚
Thankyou Dr. Heiser...I agree that the original church is not physical architecture with all kinds of bells and whistles....the Holy Spirit dwells within
all believers and the Lord will provide the necessary help to bring the believers together and they can meet anywhere anytime and two by two reach out to others.
Thanks for this interview, amazing rabbit trails to go down
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks so much guys.... god bless you!!! 🙏❤🔥
Thanks for sharing. I love hearing scripture explained and having my questions answered and no one has blown my mind more than Heiser has in the last few years.
Thank you Mike, you confirmed so many things that have been on my mind and heart this past year. I appreciate your work.
Logos Bible has released a produced infomentary on the Unseen Realm. I focus here with Mike on the Deuteronomy 32 Worldview because it is the fundamental idea that can lead you into all the other topics regarding the metanarrative of the biblical drama. It does have implication to how Christians should think of themselves and hence behave in the world which I to try to touch on here as well.
Logos Bible Infomentary on the Unseen Realm: th-cam.com/video/2QM7anD5vSI/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely wonderful interview, questions, answers, and flow! It was so fluid... I am walking away with a sense of renewed hope and an invigorated sense of God's Love. Thank you so much! Bravo!🎉
Great interview and discussion from start to finish.
Thank you.
Love this honesty
Age of Enchantment. Interview Carl Teichrib.
Wonderful discussion. Thank you!
Wonderful Interview!
God bless mike
Helser is right, start planning and thinking about being persecuted now and prepare. Think about the virgins with their lamps.
This is definitely the best interview I've seen with Michael Heiser. I've always liked a lot of the teaching and content that he shared but he has said some things that has made me angry too...🤣... But this is excellent. Thanks. 🙂
Really deep great meaningful interview. I’m so surprised TH-cam actually popped this up on my feed. Praise Yeshua!
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I'm glad you got something out of it
Same happened to me. I was not looking for anything. It just popped up, so I watched it.
BRAVO!!
Interesting interview
Babylon is far from being Chaos, it represents a totalizing human system (without God) so while it is certainly anti-Eden (a world without Sabbath as opposed to one of eternal Sabbath) it is definitely not associated with Chaos.
Good stuff here! Love hearing re. Reformation and reconfiguration of the church body. It’s currently the bane of my existence 😊
Same :)
@@TheLookingGlassAU what if we actually explored what today’s church body could look like if we were to “follow” instruction and example of Christ Jesus, I wonder? Let’s have THAT conversation.
@@idarachelsmith9440 I think the pandemic was a prompt from gods providence for Christians to think more about biblical Ecclesiology rather than Luther or Wesley's Ecclesiology
@@TheLookingGlassAU precisely!
I AM the church. You ARE the church… not the building, nor the denomination label. Jesus IS my pastor/minister/shepherd/leader. One Spirit. One body.
So, if this is true (and it is), how do we do “Church”?
Each of us IS “Israel”
@@idarachelsmith9440 with respect, I'd make one alteration.
We are the Church.
Not I am the Church (in fact never I am the Church) where two or three gather in my name there I in the midst.
The church is the body of Christ with many members and all have different functions some are pastors teachers etc, so that's real. This is why we must be very careful how we talk or how we think about ecclesiology - there is many ways to get it wrong and it's damaging to Christians to get it wrong.
Really great. You have to know the bible pretty well to follow Mike and reshuffle your (my) view quite a lot. It does make sense and it is very supernatural. Also, You (looking glass) asked really great basic questions I would have wanted to ask.
Hello can i translate to french on my channel?
Be my guest, thank you for asking. Can you put a link to this video in the description.
May i ask when this was recorded?
This was recorded in April last year. A few months before Mike's diagnosis become known.
God will go before you and make it clear. This Exodus will be greater than the first but not in haste!
How long ago did you guys record this?
This was recorded in April last year. It was a few months before his cancer diagnosis was known.
My prayer is he and his family are doing well and he will have to tolerate being here for a few more decades :)
Thanks guys. For a moment I was hoping that it was current and he was healthy again. I join you in prayers for many more years of health for Dr Heiser Elohim bless you Mike! Forget not His benefits. He heals your diseases. Bless Adonai all my soul.
@@TeRongo yeah me too. Hoping for a update. Good news of course.
Rest in peace king
tell mike about the carnivore diet. it works wonders for backpain.
Right, so at least that is clearer, now.
If we could now hear why Satan had to keep powers, know good from evil seemingly more clearly than Adam and Eve ever did, and ever get near this world - or revisit heaven, to discuss Job - then that would be much appreciated.
Also, has Zephaniah 1 to 3 been reframed, and how does it align with Matthew 7:14?
@chris sonofpear, Adam wasn't suppose to know evil, and Job wasn't righteous. Job was a works based belief, do A,B & C and I will be blessed. LOL he even sacrificed for his kids "just in case". How did that work out?
Zephaniah has no ties to Mat. 7:14. The gate is closed by the time Zephaniah's prophesies are being fulfilled. The Day of the LORD is being fulfilled while we are hidden in many mansions; Zeph. 2:3, Jn. 14:1-4, Isa. 26:20, Rev. 3:10. The men being consumed are the end time beast aka Nations of Islam.
@@rickhuntling7338 Then, what, pray tell, was he SUPPOSED to know?
To make 'choices' for billions not yet born, who'd probably not exist, if he'd not left the garden?
Or to tell good from evil things? And why fear death if it's neither good or bad?
And some rabbis and priests say Job was righteous, and some do not.
Also, WHY SPOIL the ending? Who is being revenged against, and how many, in Zephaniah?
So whole nations are on that list? Like in Esther?
And yes, how did it work out? Why the smeg does it MATTER WHAT Satan thought of Job, to begin with?
He was an irrational, suicidally prideful, disloyal rebel angel.
If his opinion does not count as utterly irrelevant and unreliable, then what possibly could count?
Augustine's garbage view of 1 Corinthians 10, maybe?
And who is hidden in many mansions, and how many?
Mansions are implied to be POST judgement, not pre.
And many say it's not Islam - it's Catholicism, or a future one world faith.
Heck, one could even go the Preterist root.
Nero Caesar - fits 666 and 616 numerologies, equally.
Also, pardon me if the idea of treating Job's loved ones like props, sickens me.
As much as 1 Samuel 6:19 does.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Pray tell he is suppose to fear GOD and listen to the two commands issued. Cleave to Eve and be fruitfuitful ansd eat not of the tree with the liar and murderer in it. Eve ate and asked her husband to eat. The conundrum Adam was in, was to eat, cleave and die with his wife as commanded or not eat and live in paradise alone for ever. Like CHRIST the second Adam HE chose to take the brides sin on HIM self and die for HIS bride.
Orginal sin was not the eating of the tree, it was the believing the liar over the LORD. Our salvation is believing the LORD and not the LIAR. "Whosoever believeth in me shall never die and I will raise him on the last day".
@@rickhuntling7338 Without knowing things are bad, what good is fear? And what has it got to do with billions not yet born, who had no conscious choice in it?
And if He then hides from us all, by default - or due to us being born 'spiritually dead' - then how can we consciously 'suppress the truth' about Him?
And when did Eve and Adam ever know a liar, and murderer, and invertebrate matching those terms, even existed? They barely knew what deception was. We also know, from Genesis 3:22 that the fruit DID DO what the snake said it would.
The Elohim, admit as much.
And why do any, but the snake, need to die at all? The snake's buddy Satan, got to revisit God, afterall.
Meanwhile, this second 'bride' is drastically hemmed in, perhaps, by Matthew 7:14, Romans 8:30, 9:12, and Jude 1:4. What of 'natural men' in the meantime?
Or many contented Jews? Oddly ill protected or looked out for, in say, Spain.
@@rickhuntling7338 Yet Job was called righteous by God himself. And he is listed in the hall of faith. And it's not just Islam that is the issue, it is so called Christians and other "religions" too. It is a whole system. He told Job that he does as he pleases and in his own time. That he does things for our benefit even if it doesn't seem that way.
Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright (Hebrew is translated as RIGHTEOUS) man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
And God himself said not to eat of it. Adam was not ready for it without instruction which he did not yet have. But it was done out of love according to Paul to save his wife through faith. SHE sinned:
Paul himself attaches the origin of sin in the world to Eve (1 Timothy 2:13-14).
Adam ate because he had faith that God had a plan to save them from the sin, else Eve would be cast out completely. He had both faith and love. he trusted God and loved his wife above even himself, all to save her. Same thing Jesus did actually.
You seem very argumentative fighting against everyone always. I hope you find peace.
"we're clear Mike"
**clearly not**
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..Don’t knock anarchy, as a political system it has a history of Christian thinkers in its formation. Christians believe we are made in the image of God, in a personal relationship with God without priests.
Trust in God
It looks like the Christians lose the battle on earth but not the war. Actually Jesus said there would be no flesh saved at all unless he returned.
I dont know if I would put it that way, but I get your point. The reason Christians are on the Earth is not to save the Earth, but to grow God's human family and to slow the destructive force of chaos. Malicious entities in the unseen keep trying to distract the Church from it's mission of discipleship and try to get it to pursue something different - like for example "social justice" as the primary role of the Church.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Oh I know we are not here to save an earth that is groaning for redemption too. God said the Church on earth will fall away and go apostate first as one of the signs the redeemed are to look for. Now we see that. They do not endure sound doctrine just as God said. This will all increase. The Holy Spirit will pull back on earth and stop restraining lawlessness. Ok we see that now too. Without God we can do nothing. The fullness of the gentiles will happen, but I don't know when that moment will come.
Good to hear and see michael doing well. Sorry to hear he was considering chemotherapy. Fasting and prayers would be more biblically sound IMO..
I am curious why he referrers to Jews as something other than what Christ signified them as..
I guess I should add, what is JEW?
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Millennials have forsaken the church?
What church?
I love michaels work certainly, and him as a scholarly source yet am I religated to acquiescence?
What church? What assembly?
Ephesians chapter 4!?!
The government asking the church to compromise in order to save lives is not persecution. When elderly are dying you help. You worry about who is right, or your rights, latter.
We didn't say that. I had in my mind other things in my home state of Victoria Australia, as well as Canada and UK.
@@TheLookingGlassAU I was just making the point, and wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I do question if much of the church responded as well as it could have?
@@qazyman when crazy times come people usually sink to their lowest level of preparation. That's a paraphrase from another man I interviewed on this channel John Loeffler.
I think Christians were unprepared and didn't respond as best they could. But hindsight is 20/20
@@TheLookingGlassAU - Indeed, and your point is well taken on persecution. The times they're a changing. Personally, I struggle more with how God will respond to the modern world. I hope to see it saved in power and glory, but I imagine many Jews felt exactly the same about the Temple.
the government did not "ask", they forced all churches to shut, as well as outdoor public meetings, whilst keeping shops open. Churches were closed down and people arrested.
The bible says to not give up the habit of meeting together, to visit widows and orphans, to Greet each other with a holy kiss, and to get the elders to put oil on and lay hands on the sick, not lock them away till they die of loneliness
I know how
"JudeoChristian worldview has freedom built in"... meanwhile, various Calvinists keep telling me free will is an illusion and God determines everything
Calvin's been dead a long time, I'm not entirely sure Calvin would be a Calvinist if he were alive today. We're all doing our best with what we have.
@@TheLookingGlassAU You said it! Several Calvinists including a personal friend told me outright, Calvin didn't get everything right and their personal views have progressed further than what he concluded. I guess especially on Limited Atonement, where lots of his quotes don't seem to show he affirmed it.
The Dewd'er is one of the most important books. Fortunately, I've learned that the book about God has been messed with. So, you're back to gettin' it from God or not at all.
Good example is NIV which it's own creators regret making and have said the rrors were deliberate and that verses were left out. Guess what those verses all have in common? They deny Jesus as God! Each one! Gotta get back to the original and go by God not man. I concur.
Didn’t God nurture a lamb (Yahshua) from the flock (Israel) as an offering for the world? The Father offered is most precious Son not Himself
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Great question!! Peculiar answer 🤔
Team oriented? How do you figure?
Paul post conversion by his own admission didn't go join 'the team' in Jerusalem but went to Arabia!?
Apart from a brief confab 2 years later with ONLY peter and James held ZERO direct contact with ANY of the Jerusalem assembly for another 14 yrs!
In fact, there is no record of Paul 'teaming up' with the original apostle's that I can find in the writ..
Daniel got it from the angel involved in the conflict with the principalities of Persia. He's not writting "my book" he is writting down an inspired WORD of GOD. Heiser misrepresents biblical prophecies from the actual "messengers" and asigns it to Daniel's amagination, discounting the fact 100% of the prophecies came to fulfillment in their time.
You're not really making sense.
You claim he misrepresents but he makes more sense that what you have written.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Daniel is not getting Ideas fron Deut. 32:8, "Son's of Adam" ; KJV. GOD devided the land amongst Isreal for an inheritance. No elohim is mentioned. He implies the nations were devided to other fallen angles or demons, but in context it's all about the 12 nations of Israel. He misrepresentswhere Daniel is getting his "ideals" when in fact it is from Gabriel in person then WORD YHWH himself; Dan. 10:16-21 .
Prince of Persia can be a man not a fallen angle. The fallen ones are in chains in darkness unless you have a book to sell, LOL.
The Nebuchadnezzar tie in was laughable. I guessing Nebuchadezzar repented and was in Abrahams' bosom 560 years till JESUS emptied the good side of hell. 1st. Pet. 3:19.
@@rickhuntling7338 Did you listen to what Dr. Heiser said it's contained in the answer to the first and second question. He answers this pretty completely.
You're implication he is about selling books is extremely offensive to me. I've met the guy, you haven't.
@@TheLookingGlassAU Is he selling books? Yes or no? If yes, why does the truth offend you? Doesn't he have a book on demons? He said so in your video.
Do you see Son's of GOD in Deut.32:8? Did GOD devide his land between demons? NO. HE devide it amongst the 12 tribes and the context proves it.
You met the guy? Well you haven't met me yet I offend you for telling the truth.
Did Daniel get his Ideals from Deut.32 or from Gabriel? Your Dr. Heisser said Deut. 32.
How does he know the mind set of the authors in 1446 bc? Would that be a different GOD that changes to suit the times and audiences? I find him saying the prophets interjected their Own ideals and mind sets into the WORD offensive. JESUS said HE is the same yesterday, today and forever and HE has a book to sell.
If the Essenes is his source for the mind set it would be like using the BoM or WT magazine to ascribe 20th century beliefs of 1.7 billion believers. They retreated to live away from the mainstream mind set body for reasons. Does the word "CULT" fit the Essenes by definition?
The Church needs to "re-invent it's self" the "east needs to missionary the west"? LOL Anyone can say stuff and not give examples, nothing new under the sun. Obviously Heisser hasn't debated with Indonesians, Russian Orthodox or Chinese.
Millenials non-belief is from secular pressures not the Church. "Me too" "woke" "naturalism" are products of the world not the Church. Anyways, the Church is for worship and fellowship not debate where the learning HIS WORD comes to light. The HOLY SPIRIT teaches us all things not men like Heisser. Wheresoever two or three are gathered in my name I AM there amongst them aka Church. It doesn't need to re-invent it's self.
@@rickhuntling7338 Friend, there is absolutely nothing reflecting Jesus in your comments. Dr. Heiser is follower of the Christ, and is treated with respect by people of faith.
Most of this is excellent, insightful, and well presented. For that, thank you!
I do have a concern, though. Mike - you say God "decides" and "makes a choice." I think such language in describing God is an error. God is omniscient and immutable, and all of His works are expressions of those attributes of God, among others. God does not have to think about anything and make up His mind.
How does omniscience remove thinking?
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Genuine followers of Christ?
What is the implication here?
listening to a man(heiser) who claimes created beings such as angels can can council God..... s.m.h.
the blind lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch.
You have the idea about the divine council slightly wrong. I recommend you read Heiser's book supernatural if you want to sort that out.
@@TheLookingGlassAU mr heiser falsely preached of a divine council made up of created beings who advised God.... scripture clearly tells us noone can council God--> [Job 21:22 KJV] 22 Shall [any] teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high.
As I said his view is not what you're characterising it as. Just simply reading the explanation in his book will clear that up. I hope you are the type of person who double checks that he has understood something properly before disregarding it.
@@TheLookingGlassAU I've listened to what he says. He thinks there is a divine council made up of something that is Not Divine. And he goes against plain Christian doctrine and teaches that gen 1:26 is not THE Trinity of Father Son and Holy Ghost that is being referred to.
That's unfortunate, you're wrong about his view, it's different than what you're saying. I hope you persist in trying to understand it. Because your calling a very honest and committed Christian scholar (close to) a heritic - and the truth couldn't be more different.