The thing i like about Eric's Pacific idea is his Pacific 201 follows what I've belived in for trek ships. My rules of simplicity for Trek ships Cannon or non cannon.
I always assumed it was decommissioned because it had the pants kicked out of it quite a bit. Metal fatigue etc. Repairing and upgrading might have been more complicated and time consuming than building from scratch. Like the challenge of restoring an old car compared to the ease with which it was built because of being part of an established production line. Also I like the 07 a LOT. It looks more "right" for pre-TOS. Great job.
I agree with that. We don't re-use battleships that were damaged as much as the NX-01. The navy scraps them. After WWII, the navy mothballed or scrapped hundreds of ships. The ships that continued to see service were the ones that had very little, if any, damage. At least an old navy ship could be kept around as a museum. All it has to do is - not sink. The NX-01 would be more like a submarine that experience a lot of damage. You'd never take one down to depths where the pressures are high again, unless it was an emergency. The NX-01, being a space ship, and since there is no 'depth' in space, would always be at risk of its superstructure failing and eventually blowing up. It's not even safe as a museum.
Add to this that the NX-01 was not just the lead ship of her class, it was also the testbed and prototype of her class. Testbed and prototype ships are rarely used long in active duty; often they just fill the tech gap until dedicated ships using the new tech can be built. It's the same idea as the US Navy retrofitting the Talos SAM system onto WWII-era Cleveland class light cruisers. Some of the Clevelands were radically rebuilt to incorporate new, modern (for that era) technology. The USS Albany (CG-10) and her sisters come to mind. The only ship that really had a long lifespan was the USS Long Beach (CGN-9) but note, too, that she was the only ship in her class. Thus it's rather doubtful that the NX-01 would have stayed in service for too long. A new, better equipped, and better designed ship would have replaced her within the same decade of her launch.
Regarding the decommissioning issue. This might have just been a matter of decommissioning the ship as an EARTH STARFLEET vessel, and shortly thereafter commissioning it as a FEDERATION FLEET vessel.
I like Eric's idea that the Enterprise is still around in the 2200's but its not like "WOW ITS THE ENTERPRISE!" but "respect the old lady" most like how the HMS Hood was during the WW2, Hood wasnt the best or the newest ship, but it was the pride of the nation.
Though I shall always like Doug Drexler's original NX-01 ship. I really really like Eric Henry's version of the NX refit (I like everything about this ship)! Actually, Eric Henry's NX-07 ship is my most favorite ship of all. Eric really knows how to design a starship. His ship needs to be used in a series. As a matter of fact it looks better than the original NX-01 refit. The NX-07 has class! I never really liked the secondary hull of the NX-01 refit. Eric, you have some great ideas for early Star Trek media. If I were to design a starship it would be the NX-07.
Great episode guys. I think the videos really shine when you bring a third person into the discussion. It really adds some much needed additional perspective.
Now I want to see a Henry version of the Drexler refit. Drexler's refit has a form factor evolution towards the Constitution. This Henry refit has a character evolution towards the Constitution. I really like them both.
Gosh, I love Eric's views on the history of Star Fleet ships & technologies. Man, I could watch this for hours, upon hours, upon hours. But, then, I'd get fired, lose my house, get a divorce, etc. So, I can only watch a few minutes here & there. Oooohhhh the pains of growing up !!!
In the original Star Fleet Technical Manual those three circles on the front of the Constitution Class primary haul were listed as the auxiliary navigational deflector assembly. So I could see it on an earlier vessel.
ENT is too soon. It's 124 years before the Constitution. It makes no sense that Star Fleet is that old These should have been the first Interstellar Warp ships in history
It actually makes no sense because his redesign looks more TOS than the refit. Those curves and colors are more "out of place" than the secondary hull. Too soon bro :3
@@saquist Actully, ENT isnt 124 yrs before Constitution. NX class was fist commissioned in 2151, while Constitution in 2244. Difference - 93 years -) Yet starfleet is much older still - and I dont comprehend your problem with that. What "these" should be the first warp ships in history? And why? Even if you formulated your question in an understandable manner, it still wouldnt make logical sense.
interesting show. the final episode of Enterprise needs to be stricken from the record and disregarded as the farce it is. I'm looking forward to Pacific 201
this guy is a beast, everything he has done is gold, this is what Star trek needs and deserves, they need to hire him and give him absolute creative quality control...
How does this sit as a thought with Enterprise being decommissioned so early. NX-01 was not just the lead ship of the class but the testbed for the Warp 5 technology set. In the opening scenes of the first show we see Archer and Tucker discussing reinforcing parts of the whip which had buckled to some degree under warp tests which suggests to me that while the basic hull is sound as we know it isn't quite there meaning that there will be a *lot* of structural data fed back to the NX design team to revise the follow up ships making them more robust to the general stresses of warp travel. This susceptibility to permanent twisting, buckling and general warping might have made NX-01 unviable for future operation after 10 years especially given its exposure to the expanse on top of everything else
Believe it or not there is there is a historical precedent for exactly that situation. Remember the space shuttle Enterprise? It was only built as a shell to test out the glide charateristics. it was always intended to to be built into full fledge shuttle. But after the testing on Enterprise NASA figured out how to build it much stronger and did so with all the shuttles that came after her. However for Enterprise they would have either had to rebuild it which they didn't have the money to do, or just have her be far less capable than her sisters. In the end they decided neither option and just retired her.
Eric has one hell of a creative imagination. His take on things is so completely different than what everyone else is doing... or has ever done, it hardly seems like Star Trek at all. Don't misunderstand me though, I love this. I don't like everything he's done with the NX-01, but I do like the fact that he can explain or justify every single aspect of it. It's for that reason that he's one of the more interesting guests to appear. I don't know what the future holds for fan projects, especially ones as ambitious as Pacific 201. I hope all of this creative thought and world building sees some kind of outlet though. It's funny... as Eric's giving his take on post Romulan War history and the state of the Federation.. I was thinking that this would make for one interesting novel.
My personal head-canon when it comes to deflector dishes is that they are on ships that are meant to be away from a home base (like a spacedock) for longer than a few weeks. It's a dedicated deflector designed for that one function and that other ships that don't have one use their forward shields instead (which means their shields require more maintenance as a result, which is fine since they are never far from a home port).
I agree with Eric's explanation with the gap between the NX-01 Enterprise, and the USS Enterprise. Makes sense, and I like that in essence, the Federation Enterprise somehow gives the name "Enterprise" a better connotation after so many years. I like that.
If Enterprise had looked like that, I'd have liked it more. What a great redesign! I am surprised how much I love the giant 07. Great design. Wish I could get my hands on a model of it.
Only thing I dislike about this design is the Sky dish on the back of the Bridge. Whoever is captain of the ship must really like his Movies on demand.
If you keep up to date in the bookverse, the NX class had 15 ships in its era. Only 2 of them where destroyed in hostile situations, and 1 the NX 02 was M.I.A. until the 2380's.
Omg, SO much better than the actual NX design. Those subtle changes (the straight pylons vs swooped) make all the difference and allow it to actually FIT stylistically into the Trek canon
I soooo wish that this was the Version used in Enterprise...I love this version. The Longer Warp Nacelles , the color, lines etc...this would have been amazing on the show!!!!!! I like this better then the "refit" version. (Sorry Doug, you're still amazing)
Looks really good, unfortunate though its in direct contest with the Doug Refit though. I guess his saying maybe some NX's got the secondary hull and others didn't makes sense - at the same time though Doug described the secondary hull as an absolutely hugely powerful upgrade that let's the NX go toe to toe with anything.
The 3 discs on the front of the Enterprise's saucer are the "Space Inertial Navigation Sensors" according to the Star Fleet tech manual and are why all Starfleet vessels always meet each other right side up in relation to one another. The main dish is more than just a deflector, in TNG we often see it used to project a variety of energy beams but it's main use is as the ships long range navigation sensor. A function useful on an exploration ship but not so much on a warship or transport.
I always considered the NX-01 to be a scout ship that was retrofitted with more advanced weaponry. If they were to be retired or demoted to a support role, I don't think it would be a hospital ship inasmuch as a courier or a rear-echelon comm ship.
How’s Pacific 201 doing? Not sure if you’ll read this, but do you see the DY-series still flying under the UE government? 21:00 Photon torpedoes are first introduced in 2215 according to the TNG Technical Manual.
NX-Refit: It could be that the NX was designed to be modified easily so it could be used as a test-bed for new technology throughout its entire lifetime? With the success of Pacific class using a large pod to house the deflector and shuttle bay, maybe Star Fleet decided to modify an NX to incorporate a full fledged secondary hull as a proof of concept. That way you could have the NX refit with the secondary hull several years after the launch of the Pacific.
That was good. I liked it. I still suspect that with the right prophile, a deflector dish is not needed. The Connie, you'll notice, has a tiangular cross section when you look at it straight on. Nothing else in Star Trek cannon (with a few exceptions) is like that. It's either a circle, or a line oriented horizontally or virtically. So maybe that's why they need the deflector. The smaller cross section pushes debries out of the way (it just flows around) but it can't do that with the larger ship. And the reason why the NX's have it is because their warp field was good enough to do that, so the deflector shield was included to make up for a deficiency no one else had. So they got more speed out of a worse engine. They continue to include it when they have an awkwardly made ship or when they need somethign to go faster than it otherwise would (or they have a different style of DS).
Cool design! Two things I would do differently: bussard collectors and pylons. Also i like to point out that Dough said his refit would take place much later on and the NX in his eyes would be in service much longer than in the show
I like it. I almost feel like a lot of his ideas should have been in the original NX-01 to make it look like it predates TOS. Especially those antennas and dishes jutting out.
I like a lot of Eric Henry's ideas. Here, he has basically "GUPPYed" the NX class. After World War II, the US Navy began streamlining their old Balao and Tench class diesel submarines to make them more hydrodynamic. This was called the GUPPY program (Greater Underwater Propulsion Program).
I'm quite fond of the changes Eric brought to the NX. I feel like if the NX-01 had looked more like this, especially with the hull material looking more similar to the TOS Enterprise, it would have been better received originally.
I like his interpretation. Maybe the NX-01 later in life was like the real world SSN Nautilus. Even after it's time as a front-line boat, it served for decades in test and training duties until it was retired to a museum.
Over all I like this NX "refit" design. A lot of thought went into the reasoning behind it. I like fan creations like this because I can see other peoples imagination at work, and compare and contrast them with mine. Who is not artistically skilled.
I must say that I love this redesign, although... the soul complain I have is that the catamarans are just a bit to short. This entire art style is just great, and I can’t wait to see Pacific 201 in 2019 ^_^
mike secrist. the U.S. Navy still has the Constitution from 1797 in active service today... so why not! She was once classified as IX-21, not so far from NX-01 eh?
The NX Enterprise would likely have been used as a training ship, at Starfleet Academy. When she became too obsolete for that, they commissioned the Connie Enterprise.
I think this should have been the original NX design. The Drexler design is very well thought out but bizarrely I have always thought it looks more advanced than TOS era ships. This design just works better as a pre TOS era design IMO. For future reference I would love to hear what Doug thinks of this interpretation of his original design.
It's possible the early decomisioning was the result of all the external damage that the ship endured. Metal develops micro fractures which weaken it over time. She was just to badly weathered. Also she was obsolete. The new Coloumbia had improvements in it's drive system and other systems. Maybe they even decided to make star ships a little larger to accomidate a larger crew compliment. Remember they had to add the MAKOs the crew during the first mission. They learned form their experiences and mad improvements. It's hard to judge something that is just fantasy any way.
I agree that the NX-01 wouldn't be the frontline ship, but would serve as the command vessel. It would be the Freedom-class, the Strider-class that would see most of the action.
In my head canon, the NX Class ships are still in service in the Triangle. Of course, in my head canon, the NX class looks more like a precursor to tne Mann Class, with a more lozenge shaped hull, rather than Doug Drexler's flat saucer hull. Maybe not as fat of a lozenge as the Mann Class, but more somewhere in between what we see on screen and the Mann Class' hull.
I think the NX-07 looks better, warship wise , that the Pacific. Looks more maneuverable and remember, if like the Columbia, has 6 forward torpedo launchers. Add shields and upgraded energy weapon and she could kick ass. Engines could be upgraded for higher speeds and power output could also be added for weapons and shield. O'Brian made the Nebula Prometheus engines faster than design on DS9 and he also made the Defiant's pulse phaser cannons more powerful so why can't the NX class be better years later. I actually think this new NX look fits TOS more so.
This is a excellent revision expansion ship and was designed so well it looks like a separate class in itself. Too bad it did not show up in Discovery one way or the other, but it would have made the other STD ships look like inferior design style / concept. NX 07 (refit) is one of my favorite trek ships.
I love the look of the NX-07 refit, but I still like the NX-01 better as well as the Drexler refit. NN-01 was decommissioned because of its degeneration caused by the constant attacks and damage caused by the spacial anomalies.
cool idea but NX was an experimental ship and those do not tend to have long life spans. The also tend to be one of a kind because they are experimental. Once a ship design is accepted it may still have modification from one to another but they would no long be referred to by the experimental designation. Thus NX would be dropped off the hull number.
The new redesign looks good but it's too slick looking.Take for example the TOS remastered version of the Enterprise.The hull has more depth and texture to it,you can see the hull plates,it makes for a more realistic look.If Eric can do the same for his NX redesign,he'll have a home run.
Eric's idea's are awesome and I agree with Captain Foley. Why refit the NX when you could simply design a new ship that has the newer technology and warp capability? Like Eric said, a lot of modern vessels last for decades, so why refit the ship when you could build a new version? My head-canon was always that the Enterprise wasn't one of the first Constitution class vessels, but a later one. It made it easier for me to explain away why the Enterprise was being decommissioned after only 21 years. (Then the Enterprise-A/Yorktown was a special nostalgic case for posterity at the time).
I do love the Commander interruption though, that the Enterprise was just a museum piece for a lot of years. Which we know happens in canon. Bless all three of you for attempting to merge canon!
as for the names of the ships, they are generally cycled, for instance, the Royal Navy only has one ship name that is constant, and that is HMS Victory..... it's quite simple, the names are assigned from a pool based on what came before for instance in the RN, Ark Royal is an aircraft carrier, the name Warspite is usually reserved for a attack type vessel, at the moment that is submarines, most of the county and city names are usually frigates and destroyers from WW2 vintage, and that has carried on.... that's basically how it goes, at least in the RN
I find his reasoning and thinking behind his nx-07 ship design works well and without fault, though I would have her being on the old side and simply been refitted with new tech every once in a while in keeping with being an nx-class test bed. i consider the navigational deflector needed for clearing the path at impulse speeds. at warp, the ship ephod not be using the navigational deflector to sweep is path, though may be using any co-located subspace sensors to scan ahead of the ship as it navigates at warp speed. so a felt or any shop only needs a relatively smaller dish for dealing with sublight speeds. generally, I have seen a lot of long ranged sensors Co-located worth the navigational deflector, probably too aid scanning along the course at warp speeds or for specialized sensors (canon galaxy tech manual) it's canon that the galaxy class had a smallish navigation deflector on the underside front of the saucer. it's listed for use when separated and as a backup for the primary deflector, but it's only a navigationall deflector, but a big one. the saucer on its own was supposedly capable of both very high sublight speeds as well as separating at warp speed and falling down out of warp. another item, the nx class may have been kept around AS nx test bed ships. they not only had variations as they were built over time, but they may lend themselves to being refit with new technologies instead of building a new class of ships with new ideas right away. a lot of the differences seen could have been done as part of a block upgrade with the next batch of technologies as a one or two -off. if you look at an Arleigh Burke class destroyer, there is a real variation over time. they have been building then for roughly 20 years now and there are 66 with a planned 76 in about 3 major blocks. same for the Nimitz class and the fact that they were produced 1 every 4 to 6 years for 40 years or so.
Not so keen on the loss of the Symmetric Warp Field stabiliser. It's tech that's carried on to the Constitution class. Also, the 3 lights on the front of the Constitution primary hull is the Viewscreen, according to the 1960's blueprints. The buzzard collectors are just for collecting space gases, and has no direct function with the warp drive. I'd still keep the exposed Deflector dish, although it can be more armoured above and below, and the buzzard collectors could be left exposed for best efficiency.
I like the new look but removing the stabilizer just leaves a void back there on the NX 07 Prosperity. Doug's refit should have a place in the fleet maybe with the similar look as the Pacific. I could see it as a ship fresh built using facilities that already have the blueprints and machinery to make it.
The sort of reason for the "decommissioning" is that there was no "Federation Enterprise" in that era. Simply the name can't exist since the 1701 was supposedly the first Enterprise. But decommissioning doesn't make sense unless the ship had massive damage. And the Name Enterprise seems only natural so not having ships of that name for a hundred years seems dubious. I can see them having multiple different prefix naming systems and then moving to the a-z system. I think it's more reasonable that there were at least two different enterprises if not three leading up to the TOS era. This is one thing that makes sense to retcon. It is possible that the nx-01 was retired early to become a space museum (for it's place in history) with the engine moved to another ship while other NX type ships continued on.
Other than eliminating the trademark impulse crystal housing, he hit it out of the park as far as TOS design. They used the Impulse Crystal was on every ship up to The Next Generation. Taking that away was a no no for keeping up with the Original Series Design. Matt Jefferies would approve.
The Enterprise would have been introduced probably within 25 years of the NX series after its last upgrade. The Federation needed a ship specifically for Exploration. Rememer Christopher Pike was the first commander of Enterprise. The Enterprise was already working hard at expanding the Federation and had a diplomatic roll to play besides just flying around making friends. Kirk took up the Enterprise just after the need for a 5 year mission was needed.
I would be surprised if Eric tried an attempt at a Pacific version of the Miranda xD. When he mentioned the Miranda cant go to warp despite having nacelles mabey he didint know that that torpedo housing were the roll bar is mabey the sides of that roll bar is one big deflector dish in its own.
As long as the basic nature of military tactics remains unchanged, a given ship design would remain viable, and be used. The only reason WWII battleships aren't in use any more is because combat shifted over from ship-v-ship to carrier methodology, and that's not really going to happen in Trekverse. And new purposes of "obsolete" designs can crop up -- the few remaining _Iowa_-class ships were repurposed as mobile artillery pieces, shelling ground targets as late as the Gulf War!
Starships won't collect barnacles and are not like like old commercial aircraft with micro fractures in the hull and such due to stresses against gravity. The ship will last very long time as long as it isn't battle damaged or collided with. Retiring an old starship is probably going to be nonsense. They are a shell that can be reused, retasked; given new power reactors and engines.
The IOWA class USS Missouri (yes, the same one Japan signed the surrender on board of) served (after its third or fourth complete overworking in the shipyards) in 1991 and actually fired shots in the "First Gulfwar". Iowa had been struck from the lists the year before, after it had suffered an explosion in one of the gun turrets in 1989). I kinda like the look and feel of the ship, but with all the backstory behind it, it should not be NX-07, more like 37 or 47... especially as "the last NX class ever built"... with one NX class ready for service about every 2-3 years, this would put her in 2163-69 as when she enters service, and the look seems far too close to TOS for that to be "realistic"... But as for what Eric has said about the Refit... I do really not think that (after "Akiraprise") that is still an issue... the external machine section (aka "secondary hull") just makes sense... loose 2 or 3 ships of about NX class level to the problems with not being able to eject the warp core and separating the warp energy producing element from the rest of the ship in case of emergency does suddenly look very attractive to achieve... and as we already know the Daedalus Class with exactly that kind of design is in service around this time, it would be a logical step to put an additional machine room body under the ship... And of course the refit finally puts NX01 into a kind of consistent design lineage history with the other Enterprises known since TOS... You simply can't take that away from us!
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Eric's ideas are really cool, I like how he rationalizes the redesigns of Canon ships.
i would love if he with doug drexler design ship for discovery series i would be happy with that
i think i would like discovery if this pacific dude makes it
The thing i like about Eric's Pacific idea is his Pacific 201 follows what I've belived in for trek ships. My rules of simplicity for Trek ships Cannon or non cannon.
I always assumed it was decommissioned because it had the pants kicked out of it quite a bit. Metal fatigue etc. Repairing and upgrading might have been more complicated and time consuming than building from scratch. Like the challenge of restoring an old car compared to the ease with which it was built because of being part of an established production line. Also I like the 07 a LOT. It looks more "right" for pre-TOS. Great job.
I agree with that. We don't re-use battleships that were damaged as much as the NX-01. The navy scraps them. After WWII, the navy mothballed or scrapped hundreds of ships. The ships that continued to see service were the ones that had very little, if any, damage. At least an old navy ship could be kept around as a museum. All it has to do is - not sink. The NX-01 would be more like a submarine that experience a lot of damage. You'd never take one down to depths where the pressures are high again, unless it was an emergency. The NX-01, being a space ship, and since there is no 'depth' in space, would always be at risk of its superstructure failing and eventually blowing up. It's not even safe as a museum.
Add to this that the NX-01 was not just the lead ship of her class, it was also the testbed and prototype of her class. Testbed and prototype ships are rarely used long in active duty; often they just fill the tech gap until dedicated ships using the new tech can be built. It's the same idea as the US Navy retrofitting the Talos SAM system onto WWII-era Cleveland class light cruisers. Some of the Clevelands were radically rebuilt to incorporate new, modern (for that era) technology. The USS Albany (CG-10) and her sisters come to mind. The only ship that really had a long lifespan was the USS Long Beach (CGN-9) but note, too, that she was the only ship in her class. Thus it's rather doubtful that the NX-01 would have stayed in service for too long. A new, better equipped, and better designed ship would have replaced her within the same decade of her launch.
Regarding the decommissioning issue.
This might have just been a matter of decommissioning the ship as an EARTH STARFLEET vessel, and shortly thereafter commissioning it as a FEDERATION FLEET vessel.
Decommissioned but refitted later?
I like Eric's idea that the Enterprise is still around in the 2200's but its not like "WOW ITS THE ENTERPRISE!" but "respect the old lady" most like how the HMS Hood was during the WW2, Hood wasnt the best or the newest ship, but it was the pride of the nation.
Though I shall always like Doug Drexler's original NX-01 ship. I really really like Eric Henry's version of the NX refit (I like everything about this ship)! Actually, Eric Henry's NX-07 ship is my most favorite ship of all. Eric really knows how to design a starship. His ship needs to be used in a series. As a matter of fact it looks better than the original NX-01 refit. The NX-07 has class! I never really liked the secondary hull of the NX-01 refit. Eric, you have some great ideas for early Star Trek media. If I were to design a starship it would be the NX-07.
Great episode guys. I think the videos really shine when you bring a third person into the discussion. It really adds some much needed additional perspective.
I like the redesign of the NX-07. It looks cleaner and neater. You did a good job on it.
Now I want to see a Henry version of the Drexler refit.
Drexler's refit has a form factor evolution towards the Constitution.
This Henry refit has a character evolution towards the Constitution.
I really like them both.
It's great that you guys reach out to other fans and designers. I love what you guys have created!
Glad to see Eric on the show. He's got some great ideas and his channel content is great.
Gosh, I love Eric's views on the history of Star Fleet ships & technologies. Man, I could watch this for hours, upon hours, upon hours. But, then, I'd get fired, lose my house, get a divorce, etc. So, I can only watch a few minutes here & there. Oooohhhh the pains of growing up !!!
I love the white color of the Daedalus and Pacific in these orbital renders. It's a very "NASA"-esque look that brings a lot of realism to it.
In the original Star Fleet Technical Manual those three circles on the front of the Constitution Class primary haul were listed as the auxiliary navigational deflector assembly. So I could see it on an earlier vessel.
I like his comment about the NX refit with external engine hull being too soon.
ENT is too soon. It's 124 years before the Constitution. It makes no sense that Star Fleet is that old
These should have been the first Interstellar Warp ships in history
It actually makes no sense because his redesign looks more TOS than the refit. Those curves and colors are more "out of place" than the secondary hull. Too soon bro :3
@@saquist Actully, ENT isnt 124 yrs before Constitution. NX class was fist commissioned in 2151, while Constitution in 2244. Difference - 93 years -) Yet starfleet is much older still - and I dont comprehend your problem with that. What "these" should be the first warp ships in history? And why? Even if you formulated your question in an understandable manner, it still wouldnt make logical sense.
interesting show. the final episode of Enterprise needs to be stricken from the record and disregarded as the farce it is. I'm looking forward to Pacific 201
this guy is a beast, everything he has done is gold, this is what Star trek needs and deserves, they need to hire him and give him absolute creative quality control...
Damn! You guys have no idea how much I am expecting this fan film! Henry knows it because I've posted several times about it. This is RAD.
How does this sit as a thought with Enterprise being decommissioned so early. NX-01 was not just the lead ship of the class but the testbed for the Warp 5 technology set. In the opening scenes of the first show we see Archer and Tucker discussing reinforcing parts of the whip which had buckled to some degree under warp tests which suggests to me that while the basic hull is sound as we know it isn't quite there meaning that there will be a *lot* of structural data fed back to the NX design team to revise the follow up ships making them more robust to the general stresses of warp travel. This susceptibility to permanent twisting, buckling and general warping might have made NX-01 unviable for future operation after 10 years especially given its exposure to the expanse on top of everything else
People need to stop seeing that last episode as the truth. It was a Section 31 fabrication.
Believe it or not there is there is a historical precedent for exactly that situation. Remember the space shuttle Enterprise? It was only built as a shell to test out the glide charateristics. it was always intended to to be built into full fledge shuttle. But after the testing on Enterprise NASA figured out how to build it much stronger and did so with all the shuttles that came after her.
However for Enterprise they would have either had to rebuild it which they didn't have the money to do, or just have her be far less capable than her sisters. In the end they decided neither option and just retired her.
I like this fellow, very matter of fact discussion. You can tell he truly loves Trek like we do. Great episode!
Also: Very much like the redesign of the NX and others. one look throws you back to TOS. well done!
Well reading NX-01 was retired as a symbol to protect it from what I read in the first 150 years thus the Endeavor took over as flagship
Eric has one hell of a creative imagination. His take on things is so completely different than what everyone else is doing... or has ever done, it hardly seems like Star Trek at all. Don't misunderstand me though, I love this. I don't like everything he's done with the NX-01, but I do like the fact that he can explain or justify every single aspect of it. It's for that reason that he's one of the more interesting guests to appear. I don't know what the future holds for fan projects, especially ones as ambitious as Pacific 201. I hope all of this creative thought and world building sees some kind of outlet though. It's funny... as Eric's giving his take on post Romulan War history and the state of the Federation.. I was thinking that this would make for one interesting novel.
My personal head-canon when it comes to deflector dishes is that they are on ships that are meant to be away from a home base (like a spacedock) for longer than a few weeks. It's a dedicated deflector designed for that one function and that other ships that don't have one use their forward shields instead (which means their shields require more maintenance as a result, which is fine since they are never far from a home port).
WOW!!! I actually love it!!! That would have been perfect for STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE.
I would say taht the Enterprise is like the USS Constitution right now the Oldest Navy ship that is in service. It act more as a cerimonious ship.
USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship still afloat. HSM Victory is the oldest commissioned ship. It's sitting on a giant concrete platform.
Yeah... I think it regains it’s glory under the federation captains, especially Kirk.
@@dirus3142 HMS Victory, yes. I went aboard her, years ago (and the HMS Warrior)
Brilliant show guys... absolutely enjoyed it. I totally buy into Eric's ideas. 👍👍👍
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I agree with Eric's explanation with the gap between the NX-01 Enterprise, and the USS Enterprise. Makes sense, and I like that in essence, the Federation Enterprise somehow gives the name "Enterprise" a better connotation after so many years. I like that.
If Enterprise had looked like that, I'd have liked it more. What a great redesign! I am surprised how much I love the giant 07. Great design. Wish I could get my hands on a model of it.
Looks gorgeous. The NX isn't my favourite ship by any means, but the style of the Pacific 201 really suits it
Excellent! 101 likes 0 dislikes. Eric Henry's stuff is awesome.
I like this version of the NX class. It looks like an upgrade that respects the original model, and use materials foreshadowing the TOS era. 👍
I like how he mashed the bridge section from the SDF-1 onto the Pacific.
Only thing I dislike about this design is the Sky dish on the back of the Bridge.
Whoever is captain of the ship must really like his Movies on demand.
If you keep up to date in the bookverse, the NX class had 15 ships in its era. Only 2 of them where destroyed in hostile situations, and 1 the NX 02 was M.I.A. until the 2380's.
Omg, SO much better than the actual NX design. Those subtle changes (the straight pylons vs swooped) make all the difference and allow it to actually FIT stylistically into the Trek canon
I like the idea from the reboot novels of Enterprise being decommissioned to serve as a museum ship around the founding of the federation.
If Mirandas fought in the dominion war, then there's no way they decommissioned the NX-01 after only 10 years of service
I soooo wish that this was the Version used in Enterprise...I love this version. The Longer Warp Nacelles , the color, lines etc...this would have been amazing on the show!!!!!! I like this better then the "refit" version. (Sorry Doug, you're still amazing)
Rocking Roddenberry!If only the NX Class would have been like that!
Looks really good, unfortunate though its in direct contest with the Doug Refit though.
I guess his saying maybe some NX's got the secondary hull and others didn't makes sense - at the same time though Doug described the secondary hull as an absolutely hugely powerful upgrade that let's the NX go toe to toe with anything.
The 3 discs on the front of the Enterprise's saucer are the "Space Inertial Navigation Sensors" according to the Star Fleet tech manual and are why all Starfleet vessels always meet each other right side up in relation to one another. The main dish is more than just a deflector, in TNG we often see it used to project a variety of energy beams but it's main use is as the ships long range navigation sensor. A function useful on an exploration ship but not so much on a warship or transport.
I always considered the NX-01 to be a scout ship that was retrofitted with more advanced weaponry. If they were to be retired or demoted to a support role, I don't think it would be a hospital ship inasmuch as a courier or a rear-echelon comm ship.
How’s Pacific 201 doing?
Not sure if you’ll read this, but do you see the DY-series still flying under the UE government?
21:00 Photon torpedoes are first introduced in 2215 according to the TNG Technical Manual.
NX-Refit: It could be that the NX was designed to be modified easily so it could be used as a test-bed for new technology throughout its entire lifetime? With the success of Pacific class using a large pod to house the deflector and shuttle bay, maybe Star Fleet decided to modify an NX to incorporate a full fledged secondary hull as a proof of concept. That way you could have the NX refit with the secondary hull several years after the launch of the Pacific.
That was good. I liked it.
I still suspect that with the right prophile, a deflector dish is not needed.
The Connie, you'll notice, has a tiangular cross section when you look at it straight on. Nothing else in Star Trek cannon (with a few exceptions) is like that. It's either a circle, or a line oriented horizontally or virtically. So maybe that's why they need the deflector. The smaller cross section pushes debries out of the way (it just flows around) but it can't do that with the larger ship. And the reason why the NX's have it is because their warp field was good enough to do that, so the deflector shield was included to make up for a deficiency no one else had. So they got more speed out of a worse engine. They continue to include it when they have an awkwardly made ship or when they need somethign to go faster than it otherwise would (or they have a different style of DS).
Cool design! Two things I would do differently: bussard collectors and pylons. Also i like to point out that Dough said his refit would take place much later on and the NX in his eyes would be in service much longer than in the show
very cool guys, I to appreciate the way he looks at star trek
I like it. I almost feel like a lot of his ideas should have been in the original NX-01 to make it look like it predates TOS. Especially those antennas and dishes jutting out.
More educated thought in the ship design.
I like.
I like a lot of Eric Henry's ideas. Here, he has basically "GUPPYed" the NX class. After World War II, the US Navy began streamlining their old Balao and Tench class diesel submarines to make them more hydrodynamic. This was called the GUPPY program (Greater Underwater Propulsion Program).
I really dig this design. good job!
I'm quite fond of the changes Eric brought to the NX. I feel like if the NX-01 had looked more like this, especially with the hull material looking more similar to the TOS Enterprise, it would have been better received originally.
I like his interpretation. Maybe the NX-01 later in life was like the real world SSN Nautilus. Even after it's time as a front-line boat, it served for decades in test and training duties until it was retired to a museum.
Over all I like this NX "refit" design. A lot of thought went into the reasoning behind it.
I like fan creations like this because I can see other peoples imagination at work, and compare and contrast them with mine. Who is not artistically skilled.
Cool episode. This version of the NX looks like The NX TOS style. Please do a onevhit wonder on the Warp Delta ship .
It's not "hot off the presses", it's "hot off the replicators" (this is TrekYards after all...)
I must say that I love this redesign, although... the soul complain I have is that the catamarans are just a bit to short. This entire art style is just great, and I can’t wait to see Pacific 201 in 2019 ^_^
Very well thought out. Thanks.
Academy training vesicles? The NX-01 could still be part of the Moth ball fleet? or a Reserve ship.
mike secrist. the U.S. Navy still has the Constitution from 1797 in active service today... so why not!
She was once classified as IX-21, not so far from NX-01 eh?
The NX Enterprise would likely have been used as a training ship, at Starfleet Academy. When she became too obsolete for that, they commissioned the Connie Enterprise.
Brilliant! I love this ship design.
This ship really should have been the NX-01. I like this version A LOT!!!!
Are the any expanded views of this ship that we could look at up close? This would be beautiful.
I like this ship Nice done ! I realy like the style of the ships
I think this should have been the original NX design. The Drexler design is very well thought out but bizarrely I have always thought it looks more advanced than TOS era ships. This design just works better as a pre TOS era design IMO. For future reference I would love to hear what Doug thinks of this interpretation of his original design.
It's possible the early decomisioning was the result of all the external damage that the ship endured. Metal develops micro fractures which weaken it over time. She was just to badly weathered. Also she was obsolete. The new Coloumbia had improvements in it's drive system and other systems. Maybe they even decided to make star ships a little larger to accomidate a larger crew compliment. Remember they had to add the MAKOs the crew during the first mission. They learned form their experiences and mad improvements. It's hard to judge something that is just fantasy any way.
another great episode guys,thank you.
I agree that the NX-01 wouldn't be the frontline ship, but would serve as the command vessel. It would be the Freedom-class, the Strider-class that would see most of the action.
In my head canon, the NX Class ships are still in service in the Triangle. Of course, in my head canon, the NX class looks more like a precursor to tne Mann Class, with a more lozenge shaped hull, rather than Doug Drexler's flat saucer hull. Maybe not as fat of a lozenge as the Mann Class, but more somewhere in between what we see on screen and the Mann Class' hull.
I think the NX-07 looks better, warship wise , that the Pacific. Looks more maneuverable and remember, if like the Columbia, has 6 forward torpedo launchers. Add shields and upgraded energy weapon and she could kick ass. Engines could be upgraded for higher speeds and power output could also be added for weapons and shield. O'Brian made the Nebula Prometheus engines faster than design on DS9 and he also made the Defiant's pulse phaser cannons more powerful so why can't the NX class be better years later. I actually think this new NX look fits TOS more so.
This is a excellent revision expansion ship and was designed so well it looks like a separate class in itself. Too bad it did not show up in Discovery one way or the other, but it would have made the other STD ships look like inferior design style / concept. NX 07 (refit) is one of my favorite trek ships.
I like all of Eric's takes on things. Never cared for the NX, this is prob as palatable as it can be made for me. Just wish it was smaller.
same here, looks great actually. It almost seems that he put more thought into the design than the show runners of enterprise^^
The ENT show runners literally just flipped an Akira upside down to "design" the NX-01. That should tell you how much thought they placed into it. lol
I love the refit and think it looks the way it should be. No let's ask him to do one on the Archer class Sagittarius
navigational deflectors are covered like a jets radar or subs sonar behind a nose housing.
I love the look of the NX-07 refit, but I still like the NX-01 better as well as the Drexler refit. NN-01 was decommissioned because of its degeneration caused by the constant attacks and damage caused by the spacial anomalies.
I always saw Enterprise ships as Quantum leaps in tech. If a current one is not active. The next big technology leaps get Enterprise name.
Something to do with Scott Bakula being the captain...?
I see what you did there, Carter.
Quantum Leap. Starring Scott Bakula
cool idea but NX was an experimental ship and those do not tend to have long life spans. The also tend to be one of a kind because they are experimental. Once a ship design is accepted it may still have modification from one to another but they would no long be referred to by the experimental designation. Thus NX would be dropped off the hull number.
The new redesign looks good but it's too slick looking.Take for example the TOS remastered version of the Enterprise.The hull has more depth and texture to it,you can see the hull plates,it makes for a more realistic look.If Eric can do the same for his NX redesign,he'll have a home run.
I'm digging it more than the NX-01.
Eric's idea's are awesome and I agree with Captain Foley. Why refit the NX when you could simply design a new ship that has the newer technology and warp capability? Like Eric said, a lot of modern vessels last for decades, so why refit the ship when you could build a new version? My head-canon was always that the Enterprise wasn't one of the first Constitution class vessels, but a later one. It made it easier for me to explain away why the Enterprise was being decommissioned after only 21 years. (Then the Enterprise-A/Yorktown was a special nostalgic case for posterity at the time).
I do love the Commander interruption though, that the Enterprise was just a museum piece for a lot of years. Which we know happens in canon. Bless all three of you for attempting to merge canon!
as for the names of the ships, they are generally cycled, for instance, the Royal Navy only has one ship name that is constant, and that is HMS Victory..... it's quite simple, the names are assigned from a pool based on what came before for instance in the RN, Ark Royal is an aircraft carrier, the name Warspite is usually reserved for a attack type vessel, at the moment that is submarines, most of the county and city names are usually frigates and destroyers from WW2 vintage, and that has carried on.... that's basically how it goes, at least in the RN
I find his reasoning and thinking behind his nx-07 ship design works well and without fault, though I would have her being on the old side and simply been refitted with new tech every once in a while in keeping with being an nx-class test bed.
i consider the navigational deflector needed for clearing the path at impulse speeds. at warp, the ship ephod not be using the navigational deflector to sweep is path, though may be using any co-located subspace sensors to scan ahead of the ship as it navigates at warp speed. so a felt or any shop only needs a relatively smaller dish for dealing with sublight speeds.
generally, I have seen a lot of long ranged sensors Co-located worth the navigational deflector, probably too aid scanning along the course at warp speeds or for specialized sensors (canon galaxy tech manual)
it's canon that the galaxy class had a smallish navigation deflector on the underside front of the saucer. it's listed for use when separated and as a backup for the primary deflector, but it's only a navigationall deflector, but a big one. the saucer on its own was supposedly capable of both very high sublight speeds as well as separating at warp speed and falling down out of warp.
another item, the nx class may have been kept around AS nx test bed ships. they not only had variations as they were built over time, but they may lend themselves to being refit with new technologies instead of building a new class of ships with new ideas right away.
a lot of the differences seen could have been done as part of a block upgrade with the next batch of technologies as a one or two -off.
if you look at an Arleigh Burke class destroyer, there is a real variation over time. they have been building then for roughly 20 years now and there are 66 with a planned 76 in about 3 major blocks. same for the Nimitz class and the fact that they were produced 1 every 4 to 6 years for 40 years or so.
They should've added the engineering and deflector dish component like the NX-01 Refit.
Just remind them the communications dish is safe and sound in the hull. The navigation deflectors has yet to be show.. LOL
Not so keen on the loss of the Symmetric Warp Field stabiliser. It's tech that's carried on to the Constitution class. Also, the 3 lights on the front of the Constitution primary hull is the Viewscreen, according to the 1960's blueprints. The buzzard collectors are just for collecting space gases, and has no direct function with the warp drive. I'd still keep the exposed Deflector dish, although it can be more armoured above and below, and the buzzard collectors could be left exposed for best efficiency.
I like the new look but removing the stabilizer just leaves a void back there on the NX 07 Prosperity. Doug's refit should have a place in the fleet maybe with the similar look as the Pacific. I could see it as a ship fresh built using facilities that already have the blueprints and machinery to make it.
The sort of reason for the "decommissioning" is that there was no "Federation Enterprise" in that era. Simply the name can't exist since the 1701 was supposedly the first Enterprise. But decommissioning doesn't make sense unless the ship had massive damage. And the Name Enterprise seems only natural so not having ships of that name for a hundred years seems dubious. I can see them having multiple different prefix naming systems and then moving to the a-z system. I think it's more reasonable that there were at least two different enterprises if not three leading up to the TOS era. This is one thing that makes sense to retcon. It is possible that the nx-01 was retired early to become a space museum (for it's place in history) with the engine moved to another ship while other NX type ships continued on.
Being that I just started a fan club ship USS Balthasar as an NX refit which is NX-08, I dont think NX-07 is the last :P
Other than eliminating the trademark impulse crystal housing, he hit it out of the park as far as TOS design. They used the Impulse Crystal was on every ship up to The Next Generation. Taking that away was a no no for keeping up with the Original Series Design. Matt Jefferies would approve.
The Enterprise would have been introduced probably within 25 years of the NX series after its last upgrade. The Federation needed a ship specifically for Exploration. Rememer Christopher Pike was the first commander of Enterprise. The Enterprise was already working hard at expanding the Federation and had a diplomatic roll to play besides just flying around making friends. Kirk took up the Enterprise just after the need for a 5 year mission was needed.
Holy damn, that Pacific looks good.
I would be surprised if Eric tried an attempt at a Pacific version of the Miranda xD. When he mentioned the Miranda cant go to warp despite having nacelles mabey he didint know that that torpedo housing were the roll bar is mabey the sides of that roll bar is one big deflector dish in its own.
What if the NX-01 was decommissioned,but because of the Romulan war was pulled out of Mothballs. (Like the NCC-1701)
The ship was badly damaged in the Romulan War and decommissioned.
And Columbia was lost in the Romulan War
Only to be found by Sisko 200 years later.
Robert Hayes And rediscovered by Ezri Dax
Well she always knew where it was. :)
This needs to be an STO skin.
As long as the basic nature of military tactics remains unchanged, a given ship design would remain viable, and be used. The only reason WWII battleships aren't in use any more is because combat shifted over from ship-v-ship to carrier methodology, and that's not really going to happen in Trekverse. And new purposes of "obsolete" designs can crop up -- the few remaining _Iowa_-class ships were repurposed as mobile artillery pieces, shelling ground targets as late as the Gulf War!
I really like the NX refit. I think it really compares to the original series Enterprise.
Starships won't collect barnacles and are not like like old commercial aircraft with micro fractures in the hull and such due to stresses against gravity. The ship will last very long time as long as it isn't battle damaged or collided with. Retiring an old starship is probably going to be nonsense. They are a shell that can be reused, retasked; given new power reactors and engines.
I think i like his refit more than the original NX design.
The IOWA class USS Missouri (yes, the same one Japan signed the surrender on board of) served (after its third or fourth complete overworking in the shipyards) in 1991 and actually fired shots in the "First Gulfwar". Iowa had been struck from the lists the year before, after it had suffered an explosion in one of the gun turrets in 1989).
I kinda like the look and feel of the ship, but with all the backstory behind it, it should not be NX-07, more like 37 or 47... especially as "the last NX class ever built"... with one NX class ready for service about every 2-3 years, this would put her in 2163-69 as when she enters service, and the look seems far too close to TOS for that to be "realistic"...
But as for what Eric has said about the Refit... I do really not think that (after "Akiraprise") that is still an issue... the external machine section (aka "secondary hull") just makes sense... loose 2 or 3 ships of about NX class level to the problems with not being able to eject the warp core and separating the warp energy producing element from the rest of the ship in case of emergency does suddenly look very attractive to achieve... and as we already know the Daedalus Class with exactly that kind of design is in service around this time, it would be a logical step to put an additional machine room body under the ship... And of course the refit finally puts NX01 into a kind of consistent design lineage history with the other Enterprises known since TOS... You simply can't take that away from us!
If only this design had been the official design for the 01...
Fleet Tender concept...nice