Why is the rest of the table in a loud ass conversation while Jungleman is thinking about calling in a pot that is already 91.2k ? That is a big pot no one should be talking.
he was tanking for a while before the talking got loud. nobody called the clock. and these are the stakes he chose to play. pots get this big pretty often. you can't tank for 7 mins to make the wrong decision and expect silence.
@@tomf5823 regardless of his decision being right or not he has the right to take as much time as he wants to make his decision if no one has called the clock and due to the pot size 91.2k that is a decent sized pot for this game they should be respectful I’m not saying not to talk, but they were being loud af and he even alluded to that.
@@tomf5823 to be honest in my opinion it would be more respectful to call the clock and let him think about his decision in silence instead of three different conversations where people are practically yelling over each other because he was tanking so long.
That’s the pain and the glory of poker, all in one hand. Great read from Jungle….but like the vast majority in that position, he couldn’t follow thru with the call. Quality play. Most would have folded inside 30 seconds. Far out. Would have been amazing to see a call.
If we did ALL these clips where the public is blind (no one knows Mariano's hole cards)...I think most would get it wrong over time....Mariano is VERY HARD to read...ok, he's got a reputation for being super lucky which makes it even harder to call him in these spots. Damn, I would not want to play against him.
The only thing he didn’t think about was the 10d in his hand and I would called just for that fact, blocking that combination of hands with that card is huge.
Mariano got lucky the ace diamond hit the river. That was the perfect card to add value to his river shove. Even then, Jungleman showed how good he is. Would you call with pocket tens in that spot? After the action in that hand, yeah go ahead and punt with 2nd pair.....
No point in making a read if you don’t have the cajones to follow through. But beyond that from a technical POV, calling $10k on turn already dropped SPR to less than 1:1, and thus calling should’ve never been an option there unless the play was to “trap” a maniac. That Mariano still had fold equity on the river with that small an SPR prob says more about the current meta state of poker (aka how BAD it is) than anything else. Whatevs Jungle. 🙄
Specially with Mariano down betting 😬. I mean if you have a SET, you would at least bet half pot. Also if he had a straight, he would’ve just called not raised the flop.
Then you basically kill all the bluffs to get max paid. That diamond on the river is the main reason why the fold happened as many of Marianos turn bluffs has suited diamonds.
@@senthilmonkey there is almost 0 chance that Mariano was going to raise the flop with diamonds draw. I mean the diamond is irrelevant here. When Jungleman bet the flop and Mariano raise the flop, he is either have a straigh, set or a bluff ..
@@YallaMiamiit's the exact opposite. Only hands that are already checkmarks want to bet small on the turn, it's literally "please call, please call" so that you feel more committed on a river shove (vs an already made boat)...and doubles as an enticing turn spot for draws to shove over with some possible FE. It's the absolute strongest line to take possible, which also makes it a cheap(er) line to barrel bluff balance. The turn isn't even the focus...it's all just a setup to get stacks in on the river vs the rec fish Mariano grew up on. He loves the big overbet shoves (fish either play too weak and fold anything but top 5%, or spaz out and think it's always a bluff and call any two). Makes money on the folds, and prints value from random 2nd pairs vs the other 20% of crazies.
Difference between me and Mariano is whenever I check raise the flop oop and then barrel turn, jam river with air, I get snapped off. Must be nice Mariano, must be niceeee
That is not the difference. The difference is in the stacks you and Mariano play. Your river Jam will be 350 dollars and his jam is about 120 times more.
"i think I'm projecting" lol wonder why he wasn't worried about A7, would Mariano check call with that? I think he might value shove it, kind of range merger. Great bluff anyway, had a plan and went with it.
what's wild if anybody has watched Mariano enough and if Jungleman watched him throughout his speech play, Mariano was clearly uncomfortable and didn't want to get called. He wasn't acting, his body language was painfully obvious he wanted a fold.
Oh goddamn it. No way is this going to be a 10m tank. Oh ffs it is! And oddly it was way more interesting than a lot of the "action" hand videos. Crazy good instincts.
A randomizer is a good idea when you cannot decide. I wonder why jungle didn't follow through with that thought or did he do it with picking a card. if so, why did he do it twice?
The whole hand is like 2min and the rest 8min is jungle tanking. Thats just ridiculous. Both the tank and video editing. Also, Ad is a such a huge equity shifting card and snap all in?? No one does that with nuts
I think , that should be some rule about a time. Its too much tank for a decision on river . Its not fair against Mariano or any other player. Especially while bluffing
Where is the timer ? That is why poker is boring but it’s fun. Of all the cards he mentioned, QT is not of of them. Good fold, too many possibilities, flush, straight. Versus your two pair.
I mean tanking like 1-2 mins is fine for thousands of dollars, but after 10 fucking mins is there even any theory left to think about? i mean, just call or fold man. Throw up a coin if u need to. This is absurd.
Airball has no problem calling clock on Jungle when he's in a hand with him, but when Jungle gets in a big pot with someone else he gleefully jabbers away. Zero class, as usual.
In holdem...you gotta do anything to narrow your opponent range on the flop..so by the river you limit all the extra math..on this case you were passive reason your opponent can rep the flush on a river...
Jungleman: “I’m gonna take extra time cuz the whole fucking table’s talking.”
Table: 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Yes. Players always complain about not getting respect, but are too stupid to realize that they don't GET it because they don't GIVE it.
😁😁😁
😂
I know I actually burst out laughing when he said that for some reason! 🤣🤣🤣 felt like everyone was talking all at once lol
The whole table is talking because he's taking so much time. Part of the social game of poker that everyone has to adapt to.
This was a true masterclass by Jungleman, up until the moment he folded that is😬
Still watching if he folds. Very disappointing.
True Masterclass chip shuffling that is.
To be honest, it's an ok fold.
How did he fold?! He had QT blocked!!!!
Jungleman tanked so long Mariano didn’t want to even show him the bluff anymore.
I thought Mariano was going to get so annoyed that he’d just tell Jungleman what he had 😅
His instincts were perfect.
Think too long get it wrong.
@@georgejung5429 The moment he talked about natural bluffs (most of them having a 10) I knew he couldn't follow his instincts. JJ he'd probably call.
Mariano at the end is like -> I will never bluff Jungleman again , he called all the cards in the deck except my cards 😂😂😂😂
If I tanked this hard in my home game someone would literally punch me in the head.
You guys playing with thousand dollar chips?
10c/25c@@ronniepereira6196
Well no duh you’re playing for $20 dollar while Jungleman is playing for $100k 😂😂
@@ronniepereira6196 They're playing with literal nickles, dime and quarters instead of chips.
@@ronniepereira6196 irrelevant.
He could’ve thought for another hour and never would’ve put Mariano on QT
He did put Q9 in his range
Why is the rest of the table in a loud ass conversation while Jungleman is thinking about calling in a pot that is already 91.2k ? That is a big pot no one should be talking.
These guys talk and laugh louder than any other stream. I guess only $500k pots and up get respect at this place.
he was tanking for a while before the talking got loud. nobody called the clock. and these are the stakes he chose to play. pots get this big pretty often. you can't tank for 7 mins to make the wrong decision and expect silence.
@@tomf5823 regardless of his decision being right or not he has the right to take as much time as he wants to make his decision if no one has called the clock and due to the pot size 91.2k that is a decent sized pot for this game they should be respectful I’m not saying not to talk, but they were being loud af and he even alluded to that.
@@hockeyplayer814 they were loud after the first few mins and they were EXTREMEMLY RESPECTFUL in not calling the clock for this absurdly long tank.
@@tomf5823 to be honest in my opinion it would be more respectful to call the clock and let him think about his decision in silence instead of three different conversations where people are practically yelling over each other because he was tanking so long.
That’s the pain and the glory of poker, all in one hand. Great read from Jungle….but like the vast majority in that position, he couldn’t follow thru with the call.
Quality play. Most would have folded inside 30 seconds.
Far out. Would have been amazing to see a call.
When I saw this video was 10 mins I thought it couldn’t just be one hand, what a tank
Cut off the mic of that dude chuckling.
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@@negativegains4883daammnnn
If we did ALL these clips where the public is blind (no one knows Mariano's hole cards)...I think most would get it wrong over time....Mariano is VERY HARD to read...ok, he's got a reputation for being super lucky which makes it even harder to call him in these spots. Damn, I would not want to play against him.
I'm not a poker player but I really enjoyed that. Enthralling
Thought Jungle would sigh call with his diamond blocker.
Shows why the youngster is a beast, even Jungle is amazed!
It took 10 minutes for 1 pot. Mariano’s heart was not pumping for that 10 minutes.
Why do u say that I’m sure the longer jungle talked out loud the more
He thought he would call
can't believe I just watched a man talk to himself for 10 minutes
The only thing he didn’t think about was the 10d in his hand and I would called just for that fact, blocking that combination of hands with that card is huge.
Jesus, bro. You have to show that insane bluff. He bluffed with absolute air. Show that shit.
Holy fuck Jungleman tanks a lot lately. I would call the clock on him and I've never called the clock on anyone in my life.
3:1 odds against mariano ya gotta call w the 10s ( i can see everyones cards tho
the fact mariano didn’t show that bluff is crazy
only fishes and amateurs do that, mariano is a true high stakes pro
You have to pay for that level of information.
He normally doesn’t right?
After that forever tank..... YOU GOTTA SHOW! 😂
Feels like a sign of respect. He was on the right track, lead him down a different path unless you're confident enough to outplay him every time.
That laugh “hehehe, hehehe, hehehe, hehehe moderwarfare” 🙄🔫
when u put a player to the test by making a decision for all his chips, they usually fold...
you're a wise man, you must be printing money putting players to the test by making them decide for all their chips.
🙄🙄🙄. Good strategy idiot, did you try this in your .05/.10 micro stakes game?
Haha nope, most people hate being bluffed
Mariano got lucky the ace diamond hit the river. That was the perfect card to add value to his river shove. Even then, Jungleman showed how good he is. Would you call with pocket tens in that spot? After the action in that hand, yeah go ahead and punt with 2nd pair.....
Knowing Mariano, yes, I woulda called. And then Mariano woulda called me a cheater and demanded his money back.
@@tomemeigh5338 *Garrett
No point in making a read if you don’t have the cajones to follow through.
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No point in making a read if you don’t have the cajones to follow through. But beyond that from a technical POV, calling $10k on turn already dropped SPR to less than 1:1, and thus calling should’ve never been an option there unless the play was to “trap” a maniac. That Mariano still had fold equity on the river with that small an SPR prob says more about the current meta state of poker (aka how BAD it is) than anything else. Whatevs Jungle. 🙄
legit tanks for ever 7 min dam lol
A lot of money
I would've just shoved all-in on the turn if I were Jungleman. If you got me, you got me.
Specially with Mariano down betting 😬.
I mean if you have a SET, you would at least bet half pot.
Also if he had a straight, he would’ve just called not raised the flop.
Then you basically kill all the bluffs to get max paid. That diamond on the river is the main reason why the fold happened as many of Marianos turn bluffs has suited diamonds.
@@senthilmonkey there is almost 0 chance that Mariano was going to raise the flop with diamonds draw.
I mean the diamond is irrelevant here.
When Jungleman bet the flop and Mariano raise the flop, he is either have a straigh, set or a bluff ..
@@YallaMiamiit's the exact opposite. Only hands that are already checkmarks want to bet small on the turn, it's literally "please call, please call" so that you feel more committed on a river shove (vs an already made boat)...and doubles as an enticing turn spot for draws to shove over with some possible FE.
It's the absolute strongest line to take possible, which also makes it a cheap(er) line to barrel bluff balance. The turn isn't even the focus...it's all just a setup to get stacks in on the river vs the rec fish Mariano grew up on. He loves the big overbet shoves (fish either play too weak and fold anything but top 5%, or spaz out and think it's always a bluff and call any two). Makes money on the folds, and prints value from random 2nd pairs vs the other 20% of crazies.
@@mad1337nes I disagree with you, but what do I know 🤷🏻♂️.
1/4th the pot is definitely not asking for a call 🤔
He flats 9/7 on the flop... His range is either 10/7 set of 8s or bluff! Jungle would make this call 99% online
Why would Mariano raise a set and not 97? With 97 there is one more potential set to get value from.
he's not flatting 97 most of the time
After shaving Jungleman can be Metroman 😂
No never show. Mariano knew he got levelled; he just got lucky with the fold.
he got levelled by getting the result he wanted? that must be it.
Jungle going thru it lol he aged 10 yrs with this river
Difference between me and Mariano is whenever I check raise the flop oop and then barrel turn, jam river with air, I get snapped off. Must be nice Mariano, must be niceeee
That is not the difference. The difference is in the stacks you and Mariano play. Your river Jam will be 350 dollars and his jam is about 120 times more.
@@senthilmonkey right! $350 doesn’t hurt as bad as $40k lol
"It's like going to the zoo." LOL.
"i think I'm projecting" lol wonder why he wasn't worried about A7, would Mariano check call with that? I think he might value shove it, kind of range merger. Great bluff anyway, had a plan and went with it.
Long tank on stream is okay if you talk through you tought process. If you just tank silently/internally for 3-4 minutes, that's a no-no.
what's wild if anybody has watched Mariano enough and if Jungleman watched him throughout his speech play, Mariano was clearly uncomfortable and didn't want to get called. He wasn't acting, his body language was painfully obvious he wanted a fold.
That was the longest tank I’ve ever seen televised or not
Think long, think wrong.
I agree. I hate slow players but I didn’t mind to watch him tank and his whole thinking process
Oh goddamn it. No way is this going to be a 10m tank. Oh ffs it is! And oddly it was way more interesting than a lot of the "action" hand videos. Crazy good instincts.
Mariano was all shriveled up. That’s why Jungleman should have called.
Sometimes your opponent's range is wider than it should be because they're bad enough to shove a straight on a paired, 3-flush board.
Legend has it Jungleman is still wondering wtf Mariano has.
I knew he would fold, he took too long, and talking himself out of a call.
You didn’t know
Anything???? He was close to calling. U can say that after he folded. If he called. Would u have said u knew he would call lol
His decision is at 10:10
Woooow what a coincidence! Nice catch bro
@@Galaxy-ez8mh (I did not even notice that)... Was just tryin to save people's time with the tanking. But nice catch on your part, sir. lololol
Mariano didn’t show because he was more focused on NOT reaching across the table and choking jungleman out
Imagine Airball talkin shit on Call of Duty "you guys play this game EVERY DAY?"
Good shit 👍 Let him take the time if he is speaking his mind.
Very interesting to hear the process 🙂
Gotta say Mariano is turning into a great player
His two folds with AK to 5 bets at this batshit crazy table could suggest otherwise. Also considering folding the second nuts in a later hand.
A randomizer is a good idea when you cannot decide. I wonder why jungle didn't follow through with that thought or did he do it with picking a card. if so, why did he do it twice?
Probably gave himself 75/25 odds and had to pick the same card twice
The whole hand is like 2min and the rest 8min is jungle tanking. Thats just ridiculous. Both the tank and video editing.
Also, Ad is a such a huge equity shifting card and snap all in?? No one does that with nuts
Mad play by jungleman, even after the fold with overpair i would go all in.
I think , that should be some rule about a time. Its too much tank for a decision on river . Its not fair against Mariano or any other player. Especially while bluffing
You gotta pay that off. Can't fold there
If that Ace wasnt a diamond, he was def calling!
The professor tanks on the flop... this was nothing in tanks on hcl
Literally thought that was mr beast in the beginning just based on voice
A deep dive into the mind of jungleman. Think long, think wrong.
How old is jungleman? 92?
Where is the timer ? That is why poker is boring but it’s fun. Of all the cards he mentioned, QT is not of of them. Good fold, too many possibilities, flush, straight. Versus your two pair.
It sucks being bluffed. Call and double up or call and go broke.
Jungle man's problem was letting Mariano get to the river. This hand should have been over long before the river.
Wish I could call da clock ⏰ 🤔😂👍
This one's for the algo
Gonna assume no one sat there and watched doofus tank for 10 minutes and then fold. Vid should've been edited to 90 seconds max.
He’d be banded from my game for tanking this long.
Ohhhhhhh lots bigger my guy…. Lots bigger.
It’s not for the faint hearted.
Go with your gut always. Think long, think wrong.
Would Mariano play A8 clubs this way?
No, the bet on the turn would fold everything but overpairs in the situation.
Of course he didnt show. You dont want everyone knowing your bluff range is so wide
Call the clock 10min is way to long
I feel like pocket diamonds wouldn’t check raise the flop?
OMG I wish he would've showed him.
How can anyone concentrate with all of that yacking on the table.
Jungle man became Jungle boy…
Clock clock
why do people complain about people talking when playing a SOCIAL game? This isnt golf for god sake
Got me again with the big pot number. It was technically true but you know what you're doing.
Almost the worst river for Jungle and best for Mariano to bluff
Great hand.
Mariano isn't gonna show when the guy is squirming that much.
I mean tanking like 1-2 mins is fine for thousands of dollars, but after 10 fucking mins is there even any theory left to think about? i mean, just call or fold man. Throw up a coin if u need to. This is absurd.
Airball has no problem calling clock on Jungle when he's in a hand with him, but when Jungle gets in a big pot with someone else he gleefully jabbers away. Zero class, as usual.
Jungleman can beat NOTHING, and tanks that long??? REALLY??? Thats an insta fold every day of the week!
Long tank by Jungleman.
People need to shutup when the hand is in play.
You can talk all you want during somebody else's hand.....just don't get fkn loud with it.
Where's Tony G when you need him?
In holdem...you gotta do anything to narrow your opponent range on the flop..so by the river you limit all the extra math..on this case you were passive reason your opponent can rep the flush on a river...
very clever. so we want to fold out all our opponent's bluffs by the river to make the math simple, correct?
Clock !!
it,s true though, jungle has the best tanks!
Никто не решится поставить клок Легенде! 😊
Its a clearly call
ジャングルマンえらいさっぱりしたやん。
誰か一瞬わからんかった。
Mariano is so sassy
Mariano is a beast
Dude always tanks