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Hey, Israeli here. Great video and accurate representation you did, and I thank you for that. I'd like to say that all new cars are mandated by government to have mobileye like systems installed either from manufacturer or local installers, with most being actual mobileye devices. Having experienced them first hand, the long and short of it is they suck. They do nothing but beep at you constantly. My brother used to work at the Intel fab as a logistics worker. The place is amazing but so are other fabs. With the way Intel conducted their business in recent years deserves investigation and retribution.
This is the thing everyone seems to be ignoring willingly: the amount of investment in education and building human capital in Israel vs the rest of the middle east. It took decades to build those seven universities into world-class education centers, something no other country in the region is willing to do. Everyone else in the ME wants quick results and thinks throwing money at the problem will solve it. Unfortunately, that's not how education systems work. It takes at least a decade to build a robust primary and secondary education system capable of feeding universities with students who posses a strong foundation in physics, mathematics, chemistry, and biology. Another decade or so for students to trickle through this system, and yet a third decade for those students to make their way through university and post graduate studies. That's three decades of patient investment into the system before you start to see tangible results. The reminder of the middle-east thinks, at best, five years into the future. That's why after 50 years of investing billions every year to send students to study abroad in the best universities, almost all the ME has very little to show for that when it comes to local talent and R&D.
Israel really benefitted from the wealth of knowledge the Jewish diaspora brought to the country. My grandparents were college professors in the USSR teaching chemical and electrical engineering and came to Israel in the 70s. Their entire educational formation was carried out in the USSR but it was really Israel that reaped the benefits. This trend only accelerated in the 90s, and so many of Israel's greatest intellectuals were educated in Eastern Europe and later poached by top Israeli schools and defense firms. Israel's first president was a Germany-educated Nobel prize winner. He founded the Weizmann institute, arguable the most prestigious research university in the country. While the country today is host to a lot of successful enterprises and schools these are all the legacy of those Jews that brought their knowledge from all over the world. Without them Israel today would be nothing.
@@juliancohen9561 It's impossible to deny the benefit of people like your grandparents brought to Israel, with all their knowledge and experience. Having said that, countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia have been sending thousands of their best graduates to the best universities in Europe and the US for as long as Israel has existed as a country, and yet neither country has anything to show for all that money and the hundreds of thousands that studied abroad over the past 7+ decades. I finished my studies in Iraq. While I had some brilliant teachers and professors, the system is heavily geared towards pumping hoards of (at best) mediocre degree holders. There's a huge disconnect between what is taught in the secondary education system and what students end up studying in university. Universities don't have the budget nor systems (organizational/managerial) in place to carry any sort of R&D, and students are taught to do everything individually and never to collaborate, and the scope is always the current academic year. All these things combine to make it impossible, even for the brightest minds, to carry any research that extends beyond the current academic year, collaborate with anybody, or to establish research labs where post-grad students pass the baton one after another in carrying and advancing research into a field or topic. And I bet you it's not much different elsewhere in the region. And those were the "good old days"! Now, students can't even hold an academic text book and study it. Lecturers are required to hand over notes where everything is pre-digested for them. There's no mental exercise, and no experiential learning.
One concern the Israeli goverment had was that University Professors earn a lot less than Engineers at the Media companies. They structured the process so that Universities are funded and encouraged to work with local corporations. The corporations get research, developent, testing and knowlegable candidates for employment. The University professors and students get patents and admiration. The patents are then leased to, or shared with the corporations. My son graduated from the Technion with such a Patent. He had no problem joining a start-up that was later aquired by a well-known corporation.
you also cannot deny the role of religion in ME, it's hard to stand on the leading edge of scientific fields when you're surrounded by backward minded people.
I used to work for Check Point; an Israeli company. That company absorbed a lot of 8200 people; their equiv of NSA. Because you have to go through some kind of national service, most people go through military or intelligence before then CAN go to college. This is especially true if you don't want to fight; you aim to do your service in intelligence. College in Israel is not a bunch of kids going crazy partying in the throes of just getting out of their partents' houses. Instead, they just got out of a few years of military life. They often take their savings from military service to travel the world for a year. It completely changes the culture of college students and startups. You arrive to college mature, and ready to do something with your life. There are a lot of tech startups focused on security, and deep high-tech - like low-level chips. Nattanya looks like two SanFranciscos stacked on top of each other. Imagine if everybody had a few years of trying to break into iPhones before they could go find a job; it's like that.
Wow, thats amazing. Seems like the dream. Even in Canada, everything up to and including university is just a big marathon. No time to pause or reflect.
@@deusexaethera don't worry, as they get out of college as 25-27 year olds they are already starting to get married and have children of their own - then there's time for celebrating weddings, children born, etc...
I would like to thank you for the video in all of its aspects. First, I liked your unbiased, neutral and apolitical view of the state ! Second, as usual, the videos are very teaching without being boringly technical. I wish I was intelligent like you to work and understand more about technology ! Keep up the excellent work and may God bless you always !
There's a minor mistake in the video talking about the history of fabs in Israel. Before the construction of Fab 28 in Kiriat Gat, Intel had already moved most of its Fab operations in Israel to Fab 18, also in Kiriat Gat. Fab 28 was constructed as a major expansion to the complex, and then Fab 18 sold off (I'm not sure who bought it but my dusty memory says it was Micron or Freescale or someone similar). Additionally, I think it's worth mentioning that the major role Intel Israel plays in Intel's operations isn't actually in the Fabs (although, it's major in that sense too), but in the design teams in Haifa which today still design their leading micro-arch CPU cores (such as the Golden Cove core which is used as the "Performance Core" in Alder Lake).
Not very relevant 40 years after its inception, but 8087 *was* the float math compressor, not "had a coprocessor". In those times, if you wanted fast float math, you had to buy it. My 80286 motherboard had a slot for a 80287. I think the first x86 processor with built in coprocessor was 80486. Yes, folks, the 80's weren't such a good time for home computing. All of that stuff was horribly expensive.
The 80's were pretty much the best time for home computing, in that it was the first and only time that an individual at home could reasonably write software that could compete with a full business. It was also the only time where a home computer had a single manual that provided all the information required to program it effectively. Floating point math was not that essential for producing commercial quality software at this time.
The airplane is pronounced la-VEE (with the emphasis on the ‘Vee’, not the ‘La’). Also, it is most definitely not based on the F-16. While the the two aircraft share a similar engine intake configuration, other parts of the airframe are markedly different. For example, Lavi employs delta wings, has no horizontal tail, and employs large steerable front canards (the Lavi was one of the first aircraft in the world to feature steerable canards; this configuration has since become very common thanks to sophisticated fly-by-wire systems which make this configuration possible).
Um... Didn't you talk about serious water issues around modern fabs? I would have thought that at least mentioning water usage in one of the world's most dangerous regions for water conflict would have been pretty appropriate... Or at the very least just talk about the fact the Israel is innovating in things like desalination. Water usage is likely another area where the government is providing large subsidies.
@@duyle-ej6ty um... He talks about everything around it, including subsidies. In other videos about Intel and other fabbers he definitely talks about water. I think water is a huge missing piece of this story of Intel in Israel... Many, many parts of the world are facing massive issues with water, including many areas of the US, precisely where they are building new fabs. Intel being able to build massively water intensive factories in Israel is completely relevant
Just want to add that the current Intel Core(i3/i5/i7) microarchitecture was based on the Pentium M(mobile) microarchitecture designed by Intel Israel replacing their then mainstream Pentium 4(NetBurst) microarchitecture, because the P4 couldn't be scale up any further.
I’m surprised the USA has more engineers per-capita than Taiwan. In EE grad school 25 years ago, 26 of 29 students in my DSP class were Asian, though I don’t know how many were foreign nationals. I assume many must stay in the USA.
Moore's law was about to hit a "West Wall (pardon the pun) several years ago, when demand for 16-core processor chips did materialize. Mobileyes' sophistication exhibited a growth pattern which may require a future chip with 32 special processors to crunch the visual data it agregates. So the future of INTEL is affected by the success of Mobileye. AI is also very advanced in Israel, paving an additional path of new products and growth growth.
Mobile spy can stick another 64 core processor chips in it and it will still be LiDAR garbage. Deluded to think people will buy this junk instead of Tesla FSD
Hello, I've been a long-time viewer/lurker of the channel and always wondered why there was a lack of content on Israel despite the nature of the channel. I commend you for finally uploading one and I see the reason for being hesitant. Regarding that, despite the controversy and despite the fact that Israel seems to be less favored by the algorithm, I don't think it's fair to exclude them or to have a bias against them regarding matters such as these. I don't think it's fair to shy away from shining a spotlight on ordinary workers and companies there for miscellaneous reasons, especially when there's such a wealth of information about Israeli Tech that would be well suited for the nature of the channel (like desalination projects, start ups, the stories of specific companies like intel, etc). Obviously you shouldn't base your decision on what to cover based on what I think is fair. But nonetheless, I commend you for making this video on the first place despite that hesitancy. Nice vid!
Because by the magic of controled by them media and important officials they are now officialy part of the Europe... Even in WHO lists about spread of the virus they are listed as European country even if all its neighbours are not. 😇
he is not afraid of creating videos about China but hesitant with creating a video about isreal. He could speak out things against China but not with isreal even though Isreal is actually the one that is bombing citizens.
10:00 The 386 was in my first real computer. I was allowed to briefly play around with something older before that but the 386 served me for a few years.
A small correction: Lavi was not an F-16 derivative but a completely indigenous design. The decision to go for F-16 procurement is considered by many a political one and some argue this was a major mistake. Israeli aircraft industry never properly recovered from the shutdown of the Lavi and a lot of the workforce laid off was happily hunted by the competitors, mostly American companies. Even despite this, a lot of the further developments were based on the advancements from the Lavi program, much like Sonic Cruiser for Boeing. Some years later, Lavi's trail was found in China where a new fighter, J-10 turned out to be very similar to Lavi prototypes. Rumor is, Israelis sold design specifications to China which based their new craft on it. Both Israel and China, of course, deny it.
Oh! As someone living in Costa Rica, do you have any extra information on Intel's operations here? They started with a "assembly and test" facility, but now claim that "employees design, prototype, test, and validate integrated circuit and software solutions". But I couldn't find anything interesting online.
The Costa Rica facility will be running some increasingly complex packaging operations in the next 2 to 3 years. Intel announced they are investing USD6 billion in Kulim, Malaysia and they have already started construction. Packaging fabs didn't use cost billions of USD. Things are changing dramatically. The technology and infrastructure requirements are now approaching those of frontend fabs. As you are likely aware, there has been a lot of cross-training of technical staff between the Costa Rica and Penang (not far from Kulim) fabs over the years. It is likely technical staff from Malaysia, Costa Rica, Vietnam, and China will start training in Intel Chandler soon. The packaging ecosystem has changed and a lot of value-added expertise is needed to fill the gaps.
@@MoritzvonSchweinitzNot cardboard boxes. Chip packaging here refers to putting the die/chip into a package (typically rectangular plastic or metal shaped with metal leads sticking out). Die attach, wire bonding, and other steps are part of many legacy packaging process flow. The new generation are much, much more complex. Google this topic. There are a lot of information out there.
Also I would like to point out the fact that Europe Jewish diaspora ( religious or secular) have a very robust background of supporting a strong secular education on its generations. Something you cannot see in other countries In the middle east. Israel can have it's controversies but no one can deny that along whit Azerbaijan it's one of the only secular countries in the middle east that maintains religious affairs and civil affairs separate. While in Egypt people are blaming the " evil west culture that poison the traditional roles of their societies" Israeli government it's focusing on their affairs to maintain their freedom in a convoluted región.
1. " it's one of the only secular countries in the middle east" 2. "that maintains religious affairs and civil affairs separate." but 2. is a definition of 'secular' word (1.).
@@alexmartian3972 yeah sorry for the syntax Problems. English is not my first language and it was midnight in my country. But yep no one can deny that understand the separation of affairs it's healthy way to develop a society.
@@_Ahmed_15 as I said before Israel can have it's controversies but it's one of the only real secular nations on the middle east. Only the fact of how discriminated are Coptic Christians in Egypt gives me an idea of how "freedom " works in a Muslim majority confessional republic. Israel has Liberties to sexual minorities, top tier education a government that cares about it's population and so on. And dude I have the feeling that You are just butthurt because of alquds is in hands of a non Muslim state after more than a 1000 years of it's conquest since the Rashidum caliphate. Most Muslims doesn't give an f about Palestinians just care about al quds and Al aqsa.
I'm so tired of all this religious mudslinging bullshit. We're all rebranded Jews, one way or the other. Every religion is just a sectarian splinter group. Well, except scientology I guess, those dudes were like "fuck it, people will just believe anything"
Nice video. The ditching of the Lavi aircraft project for political reasons made many talented Israeli engineers redundant and might still have effects today. Glad the industry is still going strong though
8:42 not that it matters but the parlance for these series of chips "8-0-8-7" and the famous 8086, would be said "eighty eighty-seven" or "eighty eighty-six" respectively. It really struck my as peculiar the way you said the number since how it was said in the computer industry of that time and usually today. Their 8088 is the most famous, but as a nod to the origins of the company, they released the 8086k CPU in 2018. The naming convention was ignored so they could reuse this classic chip name.
@@spehropefhany I mean, it was state "started". Later as state management failed, they became private day by day. The same happened in Imperial Japan, UK and Prussia.
@@CoolMan-ig1olIMHO, their industrial policy over the last 50 years is mainly responsible for the creation of Hsinchu Science Park and the various privately funded spin-offs of the original government incubated institutions, including TSMC. I worked there when they were making more-or-less blatant copies of US designed chips.
@@spehropefhany Industrial policy =/= Industrial management. Industrial management is when the state manages everything that a company does. This is usually inefficient. Industrial policy is allowing companies to do a thing by government doing something related that helps a company doing a thing. This is generally more better and efficient. You can compare it with a government running a taxi company in a road it owns versus a government putting a road allowing private taxi companies to operate on it.
@@BachelorChowFlavour It seems they are The God's chosen people indeed. I am from India and I am not even religious but I believe what Jews have achieved should be appreciated by all humans of the world. They are at the top on the benchmark of society.
Intel need to become software developers. perhaps Linux related to rival Ubuntu, Redhat/IBM. They already do ClearOS which is nice but needs more work, lots of other OSS software. Focus on software products. That is where the money is.
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Now it has been made clear why TSMC is being treated as it is being now that they have technology not yet available to the United States and the ties have been drawn tighter to Israel and the United States may feel that TIWAN is not as committed although there is a doubt about Japan.
Israel uses desalination to generate a huge percentage of its fresh water, (at the cost of nearly 20% of their energy budget ) not the best solution but a necessary one, I remember growing up there it was one drought after the next, where now it's much less of an issue.
Because they live in desert, isolated by aggressive antisemitic Muslim countries and have no oil resources like other Arab countries so they have no choice to focus on education/tech sector to build new tech in order to survive. Their largest exports is medical technology/electronics and diamonds which US is largest importer. Similar situation with Singapore, they have to focus on education to build wealth except Singapore is more on machinery and electronics.
It’s part of the Unit 8200’s Talpiot Program, to have Israeli core architecture get bought out and integrated into huge American high tech companies, giving them huge amount of leverage
@@CeoLogJM True, but proportionally a much lower percentage of Silicon Valley startups have connections to intelligence agencies. I don’t have an exact figure but I’d guess that at least 85% of Tel-Aviv tech startups have deep ties with unit 8200 or comparable Israeli intelligence groups. I’m not accusing Israel of anything or making a moral argument as it’s amazing what Israel has accomplished in terms of tech. I’m just saying that from an American’s perspective, we should work to limit conflicting interests where possible.
A correction, Israel population is 9.5 million (not 7). Intel development center at Haifa is the leading Intel research and development of CPU's. The latest 12Gen alder lake among all its predecessors, is from Intel Haifa. Intel exploit the Jewish genius brains educated by Israel's elite universities. In fact Intel could not develop better CPU's out of their development capital at USA, so they left the Job for the finest runners in the holy land.
For your statistics ... in Germany you have +145 engineers on 10,000 citizens ... so more than in Israel. But I guess there is a reason for not mentioning it. According to the 2015 census you'll find 6.3 million engineers in the USA for 335 million citizen ... that makes 190 engineers on 10,000 citizen ...
@@hansvetter8653 Well, not everyone is Jewish..sorry perfect)))..Just joking, but it is not correct to use your analogy. It just doesn't work in real life althought true to an extent. It's like better to throw ten PhD in physics ten one Einstein..;)
@Riste Kostadinov the Volcani research center is one of the leading agricultural research centers in the world. I actually did a small research there when I was in high school (I studied biology) - I even gave a small lecture about my research, hehe. There's advanced in engineering various species of plants to grow and produce edible/processable-into-edible parts (e.g seeds, fruits) in desert conditions where they would naturally not be able to grow. In addition to that, before the Volcani center started having such a high impact on local growth, there's been a lot of work put into irrigation systems and technologies such as the drip irrigation system/dropper (טפטפה - taftefa, literally meaning "dripper"), that was invented in Israel and is pretty standard all across the country now, and *some* early focus to settle and prepare the land of the Negev desert and farm there, with resources and call-to-actions made by its first prime minister, David Ben Gurion. Growth in the population, need of self-sustaining, and not being to answer demand for rice to feed its population, led to the invention of Ptitim, literally meaning flakes, which are flakes of wheat meant to mimic and serve as an alternative to rice. Sources: various history books from me studying history in Israel's public education system (I'm Israeli) and knowledge from reading about the Volcani center.
As always a great video on a great subject. Supberby narrated with a clear strong voice. Please forgive me for bringing this to your attention as I am sure you speak better English than me (I am not going to use the word "but")... your pronunciation of the word "niche" is pronounced (sounds like) "neesch" not niche. Your brilliant videos are all of an interesting and unusual nature that that word 'niche' tends to be used frequently and it's correct pronounaction will add to its excellent delivery. Thank you again for a great experience. Michael Downing
Also there is this 'oily rag' mentality towards UK engineers, low pay, drive them hard with little reward till they burn out, then watch them pile up on social security as such hard work for such low pay destroys all motivation.
Sad that you even have to post a "be civil" disclaimer when discussing this. Regardless of your politics, we all should be able to appreciate what Israel was and what it's become, technologically speaking.
Yes like CCP China, Israel is becoming more sophisticated in using technology to suppress, torture and kill innocent people. Says a lot about yourself that you “appreciate “ this technology for use by apartheid regimes
Yes like CCP China, Israel is becoming more sophisticated in using technology to suppress, torture and kill innocent people. Says a lot about yourself that you “appreciate “ this technology for use by apartheid regimes
Best wishes for Israel, hope this war will end some days soon and everyone in the middle east will live together peacefully. Humanity needs to be prioritized over religions.
Absolutely true. I wish both sides could just give each other the hand of peace for a mutually benefitial peace settlement. This eternal conflict harms both sides perpetually.
@@Banom7a Are you mentally impaired? Is the sindrome getting you down? What part of LABELED you too do not understand? Also Israel is good at killing people, not like a silicon powerhouse you see?
@@schlbus eh idk, it seems like you are the one that need to mental health treatment. anyway, while it is **labelled**, there, the final assembly (i.e: packed) and testing are still done in Malaysia hence the "made" in Malaysia, it's not too far different from how CKD car assembly are, parts might be from somewhere but they are put together here which qualified it as "Made" vs just straight up "LABELLED"
When their neighbors want to destroy them, a strong military is kind of necessary. If not for their military, they would have been destroyed 50 years ago.
@@harrkev Iran is an ancient civilisation that has been in existence for more years than the highest number you can count to 🤡 Your apartheid regime is the biggest terrorist network in the world
The next taget by Israel is going to be Taiwan, it will be supported y America as a tech Center to challenge the ne Taiwanese technology. China should not allow China to catch up on Taiwan as it sees Israel as an analogue to the American technical and financial associate.
The economy has a very simple explanation: for the last ~2,000 years, jews have been a disproportionately urban demographic, so today you will get a disproportionately large percentages of educated workers: if anything, going back to slightly more agrarian and general society in the 20th century probably made israeli jews poorer than jews of equivalent origin who immigrated to the US and west Europe. Also, while the country was officially founded in 1948, country-building and migration waves have been going on since at least 1900. The story of Intel in Israel being told as "that Dov guy talked to this guy and convinced that guy" is a very israeli approach to understanding events. I think Mobileye mainly provides technology to current car safety feature, such as collision detection with other vehicles and pedestrian. It's not just an autonomous vehicle startup. it has real technology and real revenue.
Fyi roughly 10% of Intel company’s global workforce is from Malaysia, just recently there's new $7.1 billion advance packaging expansion in Malaysia, don't think it's fair to justify that Intel only needs the hands & fingers of the country for 50 years almost, would be great if there's an episode for Intel in Malaysia ...
There are two “sides” to the house of Intel… the R&D side and the manufacturing side. Israel is notable in that Intel has major operations in both sides of the house.
@@mogreen19 According to nonprofit China Water Risk (CWR), an average semiconductor factory consumes roughly 20,000 tons of water a day, equivalent to the daily water use of a city of 58,000. If you have water problems even in Water rich places like Taiwan and other fabs you will always have a high added cost to the fab for just making water. If you can omit this by building the fab in a water rich place you will always have a major advantage. Desalination is a very expensive method of making water.
@@Morkvonork But water is needed for high tech industries, and as a highly educated country it is logical to build high tech there as well to ensure employment of the population.
Do you have data about this claim? The "aid" of Americans is especially for The Military,The vast majority is Discount/Grants of American weapons not money,basically Subsidized American weapons.
@@coreysmith8489 It can and does with 20 Billion dollars each Year,The dirty little secret that the issue has absolutely nothing to do with Israel(it helps the IDF but it is not life or death),it is the American Military and it's industry who love this spending.Here he mentioned the Lavi which was absolutely one of best in the world created directly to Israeli needs,it is Intresting how American were happy(until now)to "support" MOSTLY in this specific area where the discounts"and Grants made Israel abandon the project coincidentally this is Americans most profitable military industry,infact it is puzzling how Israel the biggest exporter of Drone on this planet has no home grown Jets? Why it keeps using massive amount American Parts to support American systems?(most of it purchased from Military budget in Billions)And Didn't rid itself from Hundreds Millions of cheap M16 which were about to be thrown out after the Vietnam war(which again damaged the development of the Negev),all in 0.00something of American yearly budget,I didn't discuss what Americans get daily in strong local power with devolped economy(Israel investments in New York alone is up there in tens of Billions),strong local intelligence partners and Democratic institutions,or The Say American having on Israel exports abroad.All of this doesn't matter one bit though as I said it is internal American discussion only depends on American(it has nothing to do with Israelis),there is no point in blaming IDF if it can get discounted pruducts will you not buy it?
because USA is afraid Israel will compete with them on the defense industry, That's why they give them money. btw, the USA has spend around 3000 BILLION dollars to "stabilize" Iraq and Afganistan, while Israel neighbors are quite peaceful, and all that for 2 billion dollars per year you complain about, paying 2b for success compared to 3000b and failure is a great deal.
It's basically a subsidy to US contractors and prevents Israel from competing with them too. Who do you think benefited from Israeli stopping the Lavi project?
Israelites and technology go hand-to-hand. Whatever opinion you have on the geopolitics of the Levant, Israel is a driving force of scientific advancement.
@Pommy Pie They are significantly more innovative than any country in the Arab world that's for sure. Least they don't survive off of slavery and oil monies. Also really? Companies literally flock to Israel for their educated workforce, read up on that.
Israel is currently one of the strongest country in showing power and future of Israel also looks quite bright with booming population due to high fertility of 3+ and a very high GDP per capita better than many Western countries together at the same time.
It does work for labour intensive tasks. If you employ a ton of people there is equally going to be a need for the support roles like cleaning, building maintenance, cantina service, etc, which further supports local agriculture and other markets. But when you have 10 brainiacs and a huge automated plant... not so much.. especially not if all the materials said plant works with are so specialized that they can't be produced locally.
"trickle down effect" does work to describe this case unlike politics when they just trying to blow money in some companies without talking location etc. Or a sports stadium that only host few event in a year duration. A factory like Intel factory will have trickle down effect because the money trickle down from Intel corporate to the local grocery store because of Intel employees exchanging their labor for money to buy daily needs in a constant rate especially when like cpu factory needs labor from high education employees to low education employees. so everyone can enjoy the money from corporate even the people that did not work at Intel but living near them Intel corporate probably also have CSR so they can help built parks or sponsored a paved roads etc I mean this is not limited to Intel factory town exist for a while. Where a town is built / modified for the sake of housing employee of a factory this also not limited to capitalist country even in the USSR there are town surrounding a factory organically That's why there's a big difference on how this term always to be used. Especially in Murican political speech when this term always been used to justify to throw money at a corporate just for them to take them away overseas and in this video
@@100c0c ARM is IP and it's used in most MPU based designs. The big fab houses typically make these chips since most companies are fabless now (like Qualcomm). Intel still has an edge in servers but the spin up/down and overall power saving of ARM is starting to edge out Intel in some areas. The major cost is now down to power costs for big server farms. I think RISC-V is going to eat away at ARM for the low end SOC's quickly so even their dominance is at risk now.
You are misinformed to an extent. Two major exoduses happened to Israel. The first one from Poland in the 60's and the second one in the 80' from Soviet Union. But in both cases a lot of very educated jews ✡ moved either to Israel or to USA (mainly).
@@x2ul725 I'm from the second exodus from Poland that occurred in the 80's to Israel and then to Canada. Well don't remember much Israel was just one year old baby. But a lot of ✡ from that exodus after spending some time in Israel moved elsewhere. Israel this day's can't be compare what it was back in the 80's. Also a lot of people don't know that is Israel is very technologically advanced in many aspects.I would dare to say for the population as well size it is in the top. Every five years or so when I fly there I am amazed the progress that occurred in this period.
@@januszmarcinguszak201 I am Canadian so glad to hear ! You confirming that your impressed of Israel advancing past 80s is pretty sweet too. Stuck in a desert but still looking to the future.
The FAB08 picture is actually Fab18 later established in Qiriat Gat. The first gab in Qiriat Gat was called Fab18. Only later it was united with a new fab 28 and was changed to Fab28A
I'm considering to buy a new laptop. I like Intel processor but the facts that Intel heavily invest in Israel make me feel bad. 😢 I'm now considering to buy AMD-based laptop. Update : I just bought laptop with AMD Ryzen 5 7640HS processor.
@@saurabhmehta5018 just a small office. Not really significant. Even Intel & AMD factory in my country is much larger than the one in Israel occupied territory.
@@humanity2914 You can call us whatever you want (no point arguing with a brainwashed), but remember, whenever you create a ZIP, a PNG or a similar compression scheme, it was 2 Israeli scientists (and one American Jewish one) awarded the Turing award for LZW algorithm. Just as an example. What can you do about it? And just read about RSA (public cryptography) ...
The history of Israel or the Levant or Southern Syria or Palestine does not start in 1948. If you want to understand what is going on there and what the mentality is among the principals (on both sides), you would do well to go back AT LEAST to the Ottoman Empire, pre-1914, if not all the way back to the arrival of the Israelites from Egypt. Exactly who was there first is still in dispute...not that it matters much to the present situation.
@humanity2914 If your decision is based on the latest events. Then, I would like to bring to your attention the fact that our workforce consists of great mumbers of Muslim Arabs, Christian Arabs, Beduims, Druzi, and many more wonderful people who oppose any violence. We we all work here together at all the different positions such as management, engineering, and production. Therefore, my suggestion is not to follow mind washing propaganda.
@@yurifink I apologized. It's not based on latest event. It's based on the event that happened for the last 75 years ago. I know i cannot 100% avoid from buying Israel products. But, if my God ask me what had i done to help these oppressed people? at least i can say that i had done something. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate you, I also don't hate to any Jewish, i know not all Jewish support Zionism, i just hate the Zionism.
I’ve done quite of business and I own IP with an Israeli company that includes a variety of ethic groups. I own 70% they the rest and it is illegally being used by Tencent.
Israel needs to be watchful for Unreliable and Undependable USA. One day its this and Next day, it could very well pull out. Israel need to be self sufficient and Independent.
Note: I wrote this video before the Intel-Mobileye news. I'll put an update into the Newsletter so sign up to that and keep an eye out: asianometry.substack.com/
Tesla FSD has already won autonomous driving. Mobile eye is second rate lidar garbage
incredible production, didnt realize you upload these videos months before they go live.
Hey, Israeli here.
Great video and accurate representation you did, and I thank you for that.
I'd like to say that all new cars are mandated by government to have mobileye like systems installed either from manufacturer or local installers, with most being actual mobileye devices.
Having experienced them first hand, the long and short of it is they suck.
They do nothing but beep at you constantly.
My brother used to work at the Intel fab as a logistics worker. The place is amazing but so are other fabs.
With the way Intel conducted their business in recent years deserves investigation and retribution.
@ 11:24 you call Intel a country!
@@martinmacdonald5773 wwwhat???😂 D0 investors know?
This is the thing everyone seems to be ignoring willingly: the amount of investment in education and building human capital in Israel vs the rest of the middle east.
It took decades to build those seven universities into world-class education centers, something no other country in the region is willing to do.
Everyone else in the ME wants quick results and thinks throwing money at the problem will solve it. Unfortunately, that's not how education systems work. It takes at least a decade to build a robust primary and secondary education system capable of feeding universities with students who posses a strong foundation in physics, mathematics, chemistry, and biology. Another decade or so for students to trickle through this system, and yet a third decade for those students to make their way through university and post graduate studies. That's three decades of patient investment into the system before you start to see tangible results.
The reminder of the middle-east thinks, at best, five years into the future. That's why after 50 years of investing billions every year to send students to study abroad in the best universities, almost all the ME has very little to show for that when it comes to local talent and R&D.
Israel really benefitted from the wealth of knowledge the Jewish diaspora brought to the country.
My grandparents were college professors in the USSR teaching chemical and electrical engineering and came to Israel in the 70s. Their entire educational formation was carried out in the USSR but it was really Israel that reaped the benefits. This trend only accelerated in the 90s, and so many of Israel's greatest intellectuals were educated in Eastern Europe and later poached by top Israeli schools and defense firms.
Israel's first president was a Germany-educated Nobel prize winner. He founded the Weizmann institute, arguable the most prestigious research university in the country.
While the country today is host to a lot of successful enterprises and schools these are all the legacy of those Jews that brought their knowledge from all over the world. Without them Israel today would be nothing.
@@juliancohen9561 It's impossible to deny the benefit of people like your grandparents brought to Israel, with all their knowledge and experience.
Having said that, countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia have been sending thousands of their best graduates to the best universities in Europe and the US for as long as Israel has existed as a country, and yet neither country has anything to show for all that money and the hundreds of thousands that studied abroad over the past 7+ decades.
I finished my studies in Iraq. While I had some brilliant teachers and professors, the system is heavily geared towards pumping hoards of (at best) mediocre degree holders. There's a huge disconnect between what is taught in the secondary education system and what students end up studying in university. Universities don't have the budget nor systems (organizational/managerial) in place to carry any sort of R&D, and students are taught to do everything individually and never to collaborate, and the scope is always the current academic year.
All these things combine to make it impossible, even for the brightest minds, to carry any research that extends beyond the current academic year, collaborate with anybody, or to establish research labs where post-grad students pass the baton one after another in carrying and advancing research into a field or topic. And I bet you it's not much different elsewhere in the region.
And those were the "good old days"! Now, students can't even hold an academic text book and study it. Lecturers are required to hand over notes where everything is pre-digested for them. There's no mental exercise, and no experiential learning.
One concern the Israeli goverment had was that University Professors earn a lot less than Engineers at the Media companies. They structured the process so that Universities are funded and encouraged to work with local corporations. The corporations get research, developent, testing and knowlegable candidates for employment. The University professors and students get patents and admiration. The patents are then leased to, or shared with the corporations. My son graduated from the Technion with such a Patent. He had no problem joining a start-up that was later aquired by a well-known corporation.
you also cannot deny the role of religion in ME, it's hard to stand on the leading edge of scientific fields when you're surrounded by backward minded people.
How's Iran doing?
I think they don't mess around when it comes to education ( may be not on the same level of Israel ).
I used to work for Check Point; an Israeli company. That company absorbed a lot of 8200 people; their equiv of NSA. Because you have to go through some kind of national service, most people go through military or intelligence before then CAN go to college. This is especially true if you don't want to fight; you aim to do your service in intelligence.
College in Israel is not a bunch of kids going crazy partying in the throes of just getting out of their partents' houses. Instead, they just got out of a few years of military life. They often take their savings from military service to travel the world for a year.
It completely changes the culture of college students and startups. You arrive to college mature, and ready to do something with your life. There are a lot of tech startups focused on security, and deep high-tech - like low-level chips. Nattanya looks like two SanFranciscos stacked on top of each other.
Imagine if everybody had a few years of trying to break into iPhones before they could go find a job; it's like that.
Wow, thats amazing. Seems like the dream. Even in Canada, everything up to and including university is just a big marathon. No time to pause or reflect.
It's certainly a good way to produce competent employees, but when are they supposed to celebrate not being children anymore?
@@deusexaethera don't worry, as they get out of college as 25-27 year olds they are already starting to get married and have children of their own - then there's time for celebrating weddings, children born, etc...
Look up Intel managment engine.
I would like to thank you for the video in all of its aspects.
First, I liked your unbiased, neutral and apolitical view of the state !
Second, as usual, the videos are very teaching without being boringly technical.
I wish I was intelligent like you to work and understand more about technology !
Keep up the excellent work and may God bless you always !
There's a minor mistake in the video talking about the history of fabs in Israel. Before the construction of Fab 28 in Kiriat Gat, Intel had already moved most of its Fab operations in Israel to Fab 18, also in Kiriat Gat. Fab 28 was constructed as a major expansion to the complex, and then Fab 18 sold off (I'm not sure who bought it but my dusty memory says it was Micron or Freescale or someone similar).
Additionally, I think it's worth mentioning that the major role Intel Israel plays in Intel's operations isn't actually in the Fabs (although, it's major in that sense too), but in the design teams in Haifa which today still design their leading micro-arch CPU cores (such as the Golden Cove core which is used as the "Performance Core" in Alder Lake).
What have people been saying about Intel's purchase of Tower?
Not very relevant 40 years after its inception, but 8087 *was* the float math compressor, not "had a coprocessor".
In those times, if you wanted fast float math, you had to buy it. My 80286 motherboard had a slot for a 80287. I think the first x86 processor with built in coprocessor was 80486.
Yes, folks, the 80's weren't such a good time for home computing. All of that stuff was horribly expensive.
On the Mac side, the 68020 processor had an FPU available too, like the 68881.
The 80's were pretty much the best time for home computing, in that it was the first and only time that an individual at home could reasonably write software that could compete with a full business. It was also the only time where a home computer had a single manual that provided all the information required to program it effectively.
Floating point math was not that essential for producing commercial quality software at this time.
The airplane is pronounced la-VEE (with the emphasis on the ‘Vee’, not the ‘La’). Also, it is most definitely not based on the F-16. While the the two aircraft share a similar engine intake configuration, other parts of the airframe are markedly different. For example, Lavi employs delta wings, has no horizontal tail, and employs large steerable front canards (the Lavi was one of the first aircraft in the world to feature steerable canards; this configuration has since become very common thanks to sophisticated fly-by-wire systems which make this configuration possible).
Um... Didn't you talk about serious water issues around modern fabs? I would have thought that at least mentioning water usage in one of the world's most dangerous regions for water conflict would have been pretty appropriate... Or at the very least just talk about the fact the Israel is innovating in things like desalination. Water usage is likely another area where the government is providing large subsidies.
i believe that is not the purpose of this video. This video's main focus is to give a background or history of intel in isreal.
@@duyle-ej6ty um... He talks about everything around it, including subsidies. In other videos about Intel and other fabbers he definitely talks about water. I think water is a huge missing piece of this story of Intel in Israel... Many, many parts of the world are facing massive issues with water, including many areas of the US, precisely where they are building new fabs. Intel being able to build massively water intensive factories in Israel is completely relevant
If I recall correctly, water is heavily subsidized via the nation's desalination plants, which provide the vast majority of Israel's potable water.
@@pikmaniac2643 Figures I saw put it a little over 40%, with a goal to reach 70% somewhere between 2030 and 2050.
The one time he does not talk about water for fabs you bring it up lol
Great video, thank you! As an ex-Tower engineer and Israeli citizen, I confirm your information is verrry accurate!
Thank you for the actual subtitles!
Just want to add that the current Intel Core(i3/i5/i7) microarchitecture was based on the Pentium M(mobile) microarchitecture designed by Intel Israel replacing their then mainstream Pentium 4(NetBurst) microarchitecture, because the P4 couldn't be scale up any further.
I was surprised not to see a comment on this too... the core processors certainly got Intel out of the P4 rut.
I’m surprised the USA has more engineers per-capita than Taiwan. In EE grad school 25 years ago, 26 of 29 students in my DSP class were Asian, though I don’t know how many were foreign nationals. I assume many must stay in the USA.
Moore's law was about to hit a "West Wall (pardon the pun) several years ago, when demand for 16-core processor chips did materialize. Mobileyes' sophistication exhibited a growth pattern which may require a future chip with 32 special processors to crunch the visual data it agregates. So the future of INTEL is affected by the success of Mobileye. AI is also very advanced in Israel, paving an additional path of new products and growth growth.
Mobile spy can stick another 64 core processor chips in it and it will still be LiDAR garbage. Deluded to think people will buy this junk instead of Tesla FSD
@@martinmacdonald5773 Wasn't Tesla using Mobileye systems few years ago or still using it?
@@gotfan7743 no.
@@gotfan7743 yes, Model S & X (Sep-2014 - Oct-2016), also BMW, VW, Ford, Nio, Audi, Nissan, Geely (Wikipedia)
Hello, I've been a long-time viewer/lurker of the channel and always wondered why there was a lack of content on Israel despite the nature of the channel. I commend you for finally uploading one and I see the reason for being hesitant.
Regarding that, despite the controversy and despite the fact that Israel seems to be less favored by the algorithm, I don't think it's fair to exclude them or to have a bias against them regarding matters such as these. I don't think it's fair to shy away from shining a spotlight on ordinary workers and companies there for miscellaneous reasons, especially when there's such a wealth of information about Israeli Tech that would be well suited for the nature of the channel (like desalination projects, start ups, the stories of specific companies like intel, etc).
Obviously you shouldn't base your decision on what to cover based on what I think is fair. But nonetheless, I commend you for making this video on the first place despite that hesitancy. Nice vid!
Because by the magic of controled by them media and important officials they are now officialy part of the Europe...
Even in WHO lists about spread of the virus they are listed as European country even if all its neighbours are not. 😇
@@Bialy_1 what? They are not part of Europe as much as Turkey is what are you talking about?
he is not afraid of creating videos about China but hesitant with creating a video about isreal. He could speak out things against China but not with isreal even though Isreal is actually the one that is bombing citizens.
Thank you for making me smarter.
10:00 The 386 was in my first real computer. I was allowed to briefly play around with something older before that but the 386 served me for a few years.
Please make a video on the plant in leixlip, Ireland. It's currently expanding to take in EUV tools.
A small correction: Lavi was not an F-16 derivative but a completely indigenous design. The decision to go for F-16 procurement is considered by many a political one and some argue this was a major mistake. Israeli aircraft industry never properly recovered from the shutdown of the Lavi and a lot of the workforce laid off was happily hunted by the competitors, mostly American companies. Even despite this, a lot of the further developments were based on the advancements from the Lavi program, much like Sonic Cruiser for Boeing. Some years later, Lavi's trail was found in China where a new fighter, J-10 turned out to be very similar to Lavi prototypes. Rumor is, Israelis sold design specifications to China which based their new craft on it. Both Israel and China, of course, deny it.
Oh! As someone living in Costa Rica, do you have any extra information on Intel's operations here? They started with a "assembly and test" facility, but now claim that "employees design, prototype, test, and validate integrated circuit and software solutions". But I couldn't find anything interesting online.
The Costa Rica facility will be running some increasingly complex packaging operations in the next 2 to 3 years. Intel announced they are investing USD6 billion in Kulim, Malaysia and they have already started construction. Packaging fabs didn't use cost billions of USD. Things are changing dramatically. The technology and infrastructure requirements are now approaching those of frontend fabs. As you are likely aware, there has been a lot of cross-training of technical staff between the Costa Rica and Penang (not far from Kulim) fabs over the years. It is likely technical staff from Malaysia, Costa Rica, Vietnam, and China will start training in Intel Chandler soon. The packaging ecosystem has changed and a lot of value-added expertise is needed to fill the gaps.
@@DennistheMenace2011 but what does packaging mean in this case? Bond wires and stuff like that, or cardboard boxes?
@@MoritzvonSchweinitzNot cardboard boxes. Chip packaging here refers to putting the die/chip into a package (typically rectangular plastic or metal shaped with metal leads sticking out). Die attach, wire bonding, and other steps are part of many legacy packaging process flow. The new generation are much, much more complex. Google this topic. There are a lot of information out there.
Also I would like to point out the fact that Europe Jewish diaspora ( religious or secular) have a very robust background of supporting a strong secular education on its generations. Something you cannot see in other countries In the middle east. Israel can have it's controversies but no one can deny that along whit Azerbaijan it's one of the only secular countries in the middle east that maintains religious affairs and civil affairs separate. While in Egypt people are blaming the " evil west culture that poison the traditional roles of their societies" Israeli government it's focusing on their affairs to maintain their freedom in a convoluted región.
1. " it's one of the only secular countries in the middle east" 2. "that maintains religious affairs and civil affairs separate." but 2. is a definition of 'secular' word (1.).
@@alexmartian3972 yeah sorry for the syntax Problems. English is not my first language and it was midnight in my country. But yep no one can deny that understand the separation of affairs it's healthy way to develop a society.
It's also the last apartheid state left in the world that occupies land illegally and squats on it while killing the people that live in it.
@@_Ahmed_15 as I said before Israel can have it's controversies but it's one of the only real secular nations on the middle east. Only the fact of how discriminated are Coptic Christians in Egypt gives me an idea of how "freedom " works in a Muslim majority confessional republic. Israel has Liberties to sexual minorities, top tier education a government that cares about it's population and so on. And dude I have the feeling that You are just butthurt because of alquds is in hands of a non Muslim state after more than a 1000 years of it's conquest since the Rashidum caliphate. Most Muslims doesn't give an f about Palestinians just care about al quds and Al aqsa.
I'm so tired of all this religious mudslinging bullshit. We're all rebranded Jews, one way or the other. Every religion is just a sectarian splinter group.
Well, except scientology I guess, those dudes were like "fuck it, people will just believe anything"
As an Israeli I approve the information here. I really appreciate your hard work and passion in the research you’ve made. Thank you so much !
thank you for not letting the activists suck you in on non-activist related topics. to many fail and cave
Intel does seem to like investing in countries that start with I, Ireland, Isreal,
India!
Indonesia
Israehell
India too, so many engineers working for Intel are Indian.
11:22 - "This makes *Intel* one of the few *countries* in the world to host a leading-edge semiconductor manufacturing node."
😅
I misspoke.
I live in Ohio, close to where Intel is building its newest fab. This is very informative from the perspective of how the industry works
Nice video. The ditching of the Lavi aircraft project for political reasons made many talented Israeli engineers redundant and might still have effects today. Glad the industry is still going strong though
The cancellation of the Lavi was a boon for the Israeli tech industry as those engineers went to work for other companies.
14:30 - worth noting that Tower-Jazz will now be Intel's as well.
8:42 not that it matters but the parlance for these series of chips "8-0-8-7" and the famous 8086, would be said "eighty eighty-seven" or "eighty eighty-six" respectively. It really struck my as peculiar the way you said the number since how it was said in the computer industry of that time and usually today. Their 8088 is the most famous, but as a nod to the origins of the company, they released the 8086k CPU in 2018. The naming convention was ignored so they could reuse this classic chip name.
Is there any countries with state led development that have worked out?
Would you count Taiwan?
@@spehropefhany I mean, it was state "started". Later as state management failed, they became private day by day. The same happened in Imperial Japan, UK and Prussia.
@@CoolMan-ig1olIMHO, their industrial policy over the last 50 years is mainly responsible for the creation of Hsinchu Science Park and the various privately funded spin-offs of the original government incubated institutions, including TSMC. I worked there when they were making more-or-less blatant copies of US designed chips.
The US!
@@spehropefhany Industrial policy =/= Industrial management.
Industrial management is when the state manages everything that a company does. This is usually inefficient.
Industrial policy is allowing companies to do a thing by government doing something related that helps a company doing a thing. This is generally more better and efficient.
You can compare it with a government running a taxi company in a road it owns versus a government putting a road allowing private taxi companies to operate on it.
Can you speak on the most unlikely places that semiconductors are manufactured?
It's not unlikely, Jews are smart
Intel has factories in other parts of the part. An attack on the Israel fab won't paralyze worldwide chip production.
@@BachelorChowFlavour It seems they are The God's chosen people indeed. I am from India and I am not even religious but I believe what Jews have achieved should be appreciated by all humans of the world. They are at the top on the benchmark of society.
Kind of crazy that the top two fabs are located in highly disputed countries that are surrounded by highly overwhelming enemies. Israel and Taiwan.
@@Mew178 Seems like a happy accident. The economy is literally preventing wars
Now that you mention it, a piece about what the heck happened to Motorola would be appreciated.
Excellent video 📹
Intel has a huge manufacturing in this country 😳
Good information
Shortly after 11:20, there's a slight flub, but otherwise it's an interesting story to hear.
Intel need to become software developers. perhaps Linux related to rival Ubuntu, Redhat/IBM. They already do ClearOS which is nice but needs more work, lots of other OSS software. Focus on software products. That is where the money is.
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I agree (except for you being the average Joe part;)
This old Tony is great if you like machining and other metal work.
@@Conservator. there's some heavy metal work in this channel
Now it has been made clear why TSMC is being treated as it is being now that they have technology not yet available to the United States and the ties have been drawn tighter to Israel and the United States may feel that TIWAN is not as committed although there is a doubt about Japan.
One of they key points here is: "Cut Diamonds remains a big part of Israel export portfolio". I dodn't know that diamonds grow on the middle east :o
Isn’t water a massive issue for Israel. Somewhere like Ireland would be way more suitable surely in that regard.
Israel uses desalination to generate a huge percentage of its fresh water, (at the cost of nearly 20% of their energy budget ) not the best solution but a necessary one, I remember growing up there it was one drought after the next, where now it's much less of an issue.
Israel is now good with water.
Hey sir, can you speak on why Israel has one of the most startups?
It’s mostly government sponsored spyware / data aggregation (Ie NSO group, Amdocs, etc). Read “Israel’s Edge” by Jason Gerwitz
Because they live in desert, isolated by aggressive antisemitic Muslim countries and have no oil resources like other Arab countries so they have no choice to focus on education/tech sector to build new tech in order to survive. Their largest exports is medical technology/electronics and diamonds which US is largest importer. Similar situation with Singapore, they have to focus on education to build wealth except Singapore is more on machinery and electronics.
@@Bob-jn8gt government sponsored silicon valley investments in the 30 year old trillion dollar industry of cyber security
It’s part of the Unit 8200’s Talpiot Program, to have Israeli core architecture get bought out and integrated into huge American high tech companies, giving them huge amount of leverage
@@CeoLogJM True, but proportionally a much lower percentage of Silicon Valley startups have connections to intelligence agencies. I don’t have an exact figure but I’d guess that at least 85% of Tel-Aviv tech startups have deep ties with unit 8200 or comparable Israeli intelligence groups. I’m not accusing Israel of anything or making a moral argument as it’s amazing what Israel has accomplished in terms of tech. I’m just saying that from an American’s perspective, we should work to limit conflicting interests where possible.
Jun, thanks for the review. We are a bit more than 9.2 millions citizens here
6:18 68.000 people out of 1 million is 6,8%, not 60%.
A correction, Israel population is 9.5 million (not 7).
Intel development center at Haifa is the leading Intel research and development of CPU's.
The latest 12Gen alder lake among all its predecessors, is from Intel Haifa. Intel exploit the Jewish genius brains educated by Israel's elite universities.
In fact Intel could not develop better CPU's out of their development capital at USA, so they left the Job for the finest runners in the holy land.
For your statistics ... in Germany you have +145 engineers on 10,000 citizens ... so more than in Israel. But I guess there is a reason for not mentioning it.
According to the 2015 census you'll find 6.3 million engineers in the USA for 335 million citizen ... that makes 190 engineers on 10,000 citizen ...
Quality and quantity two different things.
@@januszmarcinguszak201 ... lol ... let me guess ... YOUR engineers have "quality" ... lol
@@hansvetter8653 Well, not everyone is Jewish..sorry perfect)))..Just joking, but it is not correct to use your analogy. It just doesn't work in real life althought true to an extent. It's like better to throw ten PhD in physics ten one Einstein..;)
@@januszmarcinguszak201 ... so ... you still believe that moving clocks are ticking "slower" ... ;-)
@@januszmarcinguszak201
You ramble a lot
Intel in Israel.
I though another video about MOSSAD 🤣
Well done.
Stimulates interest in the industry.
This was very interesting. But I didn't know there were fabs in Ireland, too. Are you going to do a video on them?
Not sure. Lots of people going to give me grief that Ireland's not in Asia.
@@Asianometry most places are not in Asia 😉
This country is unreal!! Leaders in so many industries
No really .. and kiryat gat is a sh***
Holle.
i'm also impressed how they grow so much food in the desert
@Riste Kostadinov the Volcani research center is one of the leading agricultural research centers in the world. I actually did a small research there when I was in high school (I studied biology) - I even gave a small lecture about my research, hehe. There's advanced in engineering various species of plants to grow and produce edible/processable-into-edible parts (e.g seeds, fruits) in desert conditions where they would naturally not be able to grow.
In addition to that, before the Volcani center started having such a high impact on local growth, there's been a lot of work put into irrigation systems and technologies such as the drip irrigation system/dropper (טפטפה - taftefa, literally meaning "dripper"), that was invented in Israel and is pretty standard all across the country now, and *some* early focus to settle and prepare the land of the Negev desert and farm there, with resources and call-to-actions made by its first prime minister, David Ben Gurion.
Growth in the population, need of self-sustaining, and not being to answer demand for rice to feed its population, led to the invention of Ptitim, literally meaning flakes, which are flakes of wheat meant to mimic and serve as an alternative to rice.
Sources: various history books from me studying history in Israel's public education system (I'm Israeli) and knowledge from reading about the Volcani center.
@@ristekostadinov2820 By stealing water from their neighbors? 🤷
@@jansix4287
Stealing ?
Haha, do your research
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Any Chance you can do Intel in Ireland?
You did a good job with the pronunciations :)
As always a great video on a great subject. Supberby narrated with a clear strong voice. Please forgive me for bringing this to your attention as I am sure you speak better English than me (I am not going to use the word "but")... your pronunciation of the word "niche" is pronounced (sounds like) "neesch" not niche.
Your brilliant videos are all of an interesting and unusual nature that that word 'niche' tends to be used frequently and it's correct pronounaction will add to its excellent delivery.
Thank you again for a great experience.
Michael Downing
WOW! I'm astonished how low the UK is on the engineer scale!
Most competent engineers probably left for America. Regulation and tax have killed most industries in the UK
Also there is this 'oily rag' mentality towards UK engineers, low pay, drive them hard with little reward till they burn out, then watch them pile up on social security as such hard work for such low pay destroys all motivation.
Sad that you even have to post a "be civil" disclaimer when discussing this. Regardless of your politics, we all should be able to appreciate what Israel was and what it's become, technologically speaking.
He did, in the video tho.
Yes like CCP China, Israel is becoming more sophisticated in using technology to suppress, torture and kill innocent people. Says a lot about yourself that you “appreciate “ this technology for use by apartheid regimes
Yes like CCP China, Israel is becoming more sophisticated in using technology to suppress, torture and kill innocent people. Says a lot about yourself that you “appreciate “ this technology for use by apartheid regimes
@@strokey5284 that's what I was referring to
@@soup100 oh.
I don't even remember replying to this or even what I was meaning by "he did"
eh.
11:23 didn't know that Intel was a country haha.
I misspoke.
@@Asianometry I know, amazing video!
Intel has a right to defend itself
You should do Ireland next!!
Intel lives up to its namesake.
Hearing the disclaimer at the beginning of the video.
Me: Why was he afraid to do this video?
Reading the comments.
Me: Oh
11:29 did you mean Israel?
Intel employs 13,700 people in Israel (and rising)
textile really is the cheatcode to wealth, huh
So what's the deal with garbage grade flash chips found in cheap drives that fail all the time, where are they getting this stuff.
Best wishes for Israel, hope this war will end some days soon and everyone in the middle east will live together peacefully. Humanity needs to be prioritized over religions.
❤️
Absolutely true. I wish both sides could just give each other the hand of peace for a mutually benefitial peace settlement. This eternal conflict harms both sides perpetually.
Amen brother.
Most intel cpus are labeled as made in Malaysia.
Design and manufacture can actually be in different places.
@@harrkev repeat after me "LABELED as made in malaysia" i won't argue any further than that. Thank you for your understanding.
its only packed in Malaysia but the die are made somewhere
Some die from Israel are also shipped to Malaysia, too, btw.
@@Banom7a Are you mentally impaired? Is the sindrome getting you down? What part of LABELED you too do not understand?
Also Israel is good at killing people, not like a silicon powerhouse you see?
@@schlbus eh idk, it seems like you are the one that need to mental health treatment.
anyway, while it is **labelled**, there, the final assembly (i.e: packed) and testing are still done in Malaysia hence the "made" in Malaysia, it's not too far different from how CKD car assembly are, parts might be from somewhere but they are put together here which qualified it as "Made" vs just straight up "LABELLED"
Well, done.
In Israel everything always goes back to the military, for better or worse.
When their neighbors want to destroy them, a strong military is kind of necessary. If not for their military, they would have been destroyed 50 years ago.
Intel is to Acquire Tower Semiconductor for $5.4 Billion, whelp then
Talking about is real is a good way to... have focused exposure.
Found them all geniuses but very high strung.
Amazing technology.
Since there's an Israel video , I assume it's reasonable to ask you to make a video on Iran .
( I don't have a clue about their industry )
Iran exports: Oil, other stuff dug out of the ground, stuff made from oil, hatred, and terrorism.
@@harrkev Iran is an ancient civilisation that has been in existence for more years than the highest number you can count to 🤡
Your apartheid regime is the biggest terrorist network in the world
@@martinmacdonald5773 few know the Shanameh contains instructions to produce a quantum computer
@@CeoLogJM Israeli flag doormats are very popular in Iran
@@martinmacdonald5773 the famous Persian rugs
The next taget by Israel is going to be Taiwan, it will be supported y America as a tech Center to challenge the ne Taiwanese technology. China should not allow China to catch up on Taiwan as it sees Israel as an analogue to the American technical and financial associate.
The economy has a very simple explanation: for the last ~2,000 years, jews have been a disproportionately urban demographic, so today you will get a disproportionately large percentages of educated workers: if anything, going back to slightly more agrarian and general society in the 20th century probably made israeli jews poorer than jews of equivalent origin who immigrated to the US and west Europe.
Also, while the country was officially founded in 1948, country-building and migration waves have been going on since at least 1900.
The story of Intel in Israel being told as "that Dov guy talked to this guy and convinced that guy" is a very israeli approach to understanding events.
I think Mobileye mainly provides technology to current car safety feature, such as collision detection with other vehicles and pedestrian. It's not just an autonomous vehicle startup. it has real technology and real revenue.
Fyi roughly 10% of Intel company’s global workforce is from Malaysia, just recently there's new $7.1 billion advance packaging expansion in Malaysia, don't think it's fair to justify that Intel only needs the hands & fingers of the country for 50 years almost, would be great if there's an episode for Intel in Malaysia ...
yes, there already have.
Malaysia population: 32 million.
Israel population: 9.2 million.
Yet Intel's presence in Israel is much stronger, older, and more important.
There are two “sides” to the house of Intel… the R&D side and the manufacturing side. Israel is notable in that Intel has major operations in both sides of the house.
Israel is a strategic investment on a high level of playing field.
Building a fab in a desert with its extreme water needs is maybe not optimal :)
If the world leading technology for desalination is there, why not?
@@mogreen19 According to nonprofit China Water Risk (CWR), an average semiconductor factory consumes roughly 20,000 tons of water a day, equivalent to the daily water use of a city of 58,000.
If you have water problems even in Water rich places like Taiwan and other fabs you will always have a high added cost to the fab for just making water. If you can omit this by building the fab in a water rich place you will always have a major advantage. Desalination is a very expensive method of making water.
@@Morkvonork But water is needed for high tech industries, and as a highly educated country it is logical to build high tech there as well to ensure employment of the population.
You mean like Arizona for instance. Motorola, Intel, Microchip, etc.
We do not live in a desert.
And we recycle our water.
They missed an opportunity to call it Intesreal but that’s alright I guess
Why is such a successful nation still the worlds' largest per person recipient of foreign aid?
Do you have data about this claim? The "aid" of Americans is especially for The Military,The vast majority is Discount/Grants of American weapons not money,basically Subsidized American weapons.
@@yakov95000 Why give billions to a nation with a budget surplus? Why can't Israel pay for its own military iwith its' own money.
@@coreysmith8489 It can and does with 20 Billion dollars each Year,The dirty little secret that the issue has absolutely nothing to do with Israel(it helps the IDF but it is not life or death),it is the American Military and it's industry who love this spending.Here he mentioned the Lavi which was absolutely one of best in the world created directly to Israeli needs,it is Intresting how American were happy(until now)to "support" MOSTLY in this specific area where the discounts"and Grants made Israel abandon the project coincidentally this is Americans most profitable military industry,infact it is puzzling how Israel the biggest exporter of Drone on this planet has no home grown Jets? Why it keeps using massive amount American Parts to support American systems?(most of it purchased from Military budget in Billions)And Didn't rid itself from Hundreds Millions of cheap M16 which were about to be thrown out after the Vietnam war(which again damaged the development of the Negev),all in 0.00something of American yearly budget,I didn't discuss what Americans get daily in strong local power with devolped economy(Israel investments in New York alone is up there in tens of Billions),strong local intelligence partners and Democratic institutions,or The Say American having on Israel exports abroad.All of this doesn't matter one bit though as I said it is internal American discussion only depends on American(it has nothing to do with Israelis),there is no point in blaming IDF if it can get discounted pruducts will you not buy it?
because USA is afraid Israel will compete with them on the defense industry, That's why they give them money.
btw, the USA has spend around 3000 BILLION dollars to "stabilize" Iraq and Afganistan, while Israel neighbors are quite peaceful, and all that for 2 billion dollars per year you complain about, paying 2b for success compared to 3000b and failure is a great deal.
It’s not though.
They seem very advanced. Why do we need to send them billions each year?
They're surrounded by bloodthirsty savages hell bent on their annihilation. They are the only true democracy in the area. You are a bigot.
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You're name-calling like a toddler and you expect me to believe you? Check yourself
It's basically a subsidy to US contractors and prevents Israel from competing with them too. Who do you think benefited from Israeli stopping the Lavi project?
Israelites and technology go hand-to-hand. Whatever opinion you have on the geopolitics of the Levant, Israel is a driving force of scientific advancement.
They improve it, share it back to USA
@Pommy Pie They are significantly more innovative than any country in the Arab world that's for sure. Least they don't survive off of slavery and oil monies.
Also really? Companies literally flock to Israel for their educated workforce, read up on that.
@Pommy Pie the population of Israel is 9 million, they’re massively over represented in tech when you account for the country’s population
Driving force in theft and racism
Anything is possible at the expense of human rights. Say no to apartheid!
Israel is currently one of the strongest country in showing power and future of Israel also looks quite bright with booming population due to high fertility of 3+ and a very high GDP per capita better than many Western countries together at the same time.
As could be, great.
"one would have expected a trickle down effect..."
um really? when has that ever been a reality?
It does work for labour intensive tasks. If you employ a ton of people there is equally going to be a need for the support roles like cleaning, building maintenance, cantina service, etc, which further supports local agriculture and other markets. But when you have 10 brainiacs and a huge automated plant... not so much.. especially not if all the materials said plant works with are so specialized that they can't be produced locally.
I remember in 1998 how i was told as a kid that intel is coming to KG and will be the new silicon vally . Even then is was boll **it.
"trickle down effect" does work to describe this case unlike politics when they just trying to blow money in some companies without talking location etc. Or a sports stadium that only host few event in a year duration.
A factory like Intel factory will have trickle down effect because the money trickle down from Intel corporate to the local grocery store because of Intel employees exchanging their labor for money to buy daily needs in a constant rate especially when like cpu factory needs labor from high education employees to low education employees. so everyone can enjoy the money from corporate even the people that did not work at Intel but living near them Intel corporate probably also have CSR so they can help built parks or sponsored a paved roads etc I mean this is not limited to Intel factory town exist for a while.
Where a town is built / modified for the sake of housing employee of a factory this also not limited to capitalist country even in the USSR there are town surrounding a factory organically
That's why there's a big difference on how this term always to be used. Especially in Murican political speech when this term always been used to justify to throw money at a corporate just for them to take them away overseas and in this video
Intel is slowly dying, ARM will dominate even in the server space soon.
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@@F40PH-2CAT ?
Who makes ARM chips?
@@100c0c ARM is IP and it's used in most MPU based designs. The big fab houses typically make these chips since most companies are fabless now (like Qualcomm). Intel still has an edge in servers but the spin up/down and overall power saving of ARM is starting to edge out Intel in some areas. The major cost is now down to power costs for big server farms. I think RISC-V is going to eat away at ARM for the low end SOC's quickly so even their dominance is at risk now.
@@rockpadstudios What happens to Intel then? Do they just become a Fab?
What Intel has done in Israel deserves massive respect.
I always wondered why Israel had so many educated Russian speakering people. Exodus from Soviet collapse. Of Course....
You are misinformed to an extent. Two major exoduses happened to Israel. The first one from Poland in the 60's and the second one in the 80' from Soviet Union. But in both cases a lot of very educated jews ✡ moved either to Israel or to USA (mainly).
@@januszmarcinguszak201 yep no doubt lots of history can't ever forget about USA being the place to go.
@@x2ul725 I'm from the second exodus from Poland that occurred in the 80's to Israel and then to Canada. Well don't remember much Israel was just one year old baby. But a lot of ✡ from that exodus after spending some time in Israel moved elsewhere. Israel this day's can't be compare what it was back in the 80's. Also a lot of people don't know that is Israel is very technologically advanced in many aspects.I would dare to say for the population as well size it is in the top. Every five years or so when I fly there I am amazed the progress that occurred in this period.
@@januszmarcinguszak201 I am Canadian so glad to hear ! You confirming that your impressed of Israel advancing past 80s is pretty sweet too. Stuck in a desert but still looking to the future.
Semite conductor
😂😂😂
The FAB08 picture is actually Fab18 later established in Qiriat Gat. The first gab in Qiriat Gat was called Fab18. Only later it was united with a new fab 28 and was changed to Fab28A
And... the comments are already a mess
As predicted... It's actually not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
I'm considering to buy a new laptop. I like Intel processor but the facts that Intel heavily invest in Israel make me feel bad. 😢 I'm now considering to buy AMD-based laptop.
Update : I just bought laptop with AMD Ryzen 5 7640HS processor.
Amd also support Israel
@@saurabhmehta5018 get your facts right. AMD is a company name. Israel is occupied land somewhere in Middle east.
@@humanity2914 sorry for grammatical errors I was saying that amd also supports Israel
@@saurabhmehta5018 just a small office. Not really significant. Even Intel & AMD factory in my country is much larger than the one in Israel occupied territory.
@@humanity2914 You can call us whatever you want (no point arguing with a brainwashed), but remember, whenever you create a ZIP, a PNG or a similar compression scheme, it was 2 Israeli scientists (and one American Jewish one) awarded the Turing award for LZW algorithm. Just as an example. What can you do about it? And just read about RSA (public cryptography) ...
The history of Israel or the Levant or Southern Syria or Palestine does not start in 1948. If you want to understand what is going on there and what the mentality is among the principals (on both sides), you would do well to go back AT LEAST to the Ottoman Empire, pre-1914, if not all the way back to the arrival of the Israelites from Egypt. Exactly who was there first is still in dispute...not that it matters much to the present situation.
Ah the reason why the Intel processors have so many security bugs?
I work at FAB28. Ask your questions
I would like to buy new laptop. Which intel processor line is NOT made Israel?
@humanity2914 If your decision is based on the latest events. Then, I would like to bring to your attention the fact that our workforce consists of great mumbers of Muslim Arabs, Christian Arabs, Beduims, Druzi, and many more wonderful people who oppose any violence. We we all work here together at all the different positions such as management, engineering, and production. Therefore, my suggestion is not to follow mind washing propaganda.
@@yurifink I apologized. It's not based on latest event. It's based on the event that happened for the last 75 years ago.
I know i cannot 100% avoid from buying Israel products.
But, if my God ask me what had i done to help these oppressed people? at least i can say that i had done something.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate you, I also don't hate to any Jewish, i know not all Jewish support Zionism, i just hate the Zionism.
2:48 Sure. “Defense”.
Yes Defense..
@@yakov95000 Russia is also 'defending itself'
9.3m people not 7m
I’ve done quite of business and I own IP with an Israeli company that includes a variety of ethic groups. I own 70% they the rest and it is illegally being used by Tencent.
You didn’t end up butchering Dov Frohman’s name, by the way. Said it perfectly fine.
GROUNDLESS theories.
Israel needs to be watchful for Unreliable and Undependable USA.
One day its this
and
Next day, it could very well pull out.
Israel need to be self sufficient and Independent.
The conspiracy theories are not baseless.
Long live Israel. Love from India