The most surprising thing about these encounters is realizing just how much modern Mormons disagree with their own church fathers and official doctrine.
Excellent observation, it's amazing that for young or convert Mormons, in order to witness to them you must first teach them Mormon theology, because they don't even understand what their past church authorities have taught
@corybritton1966 ; True ... But unfortunately, the evangelical Christians here are also guilty of the same ignorance of their own history too. For instance, at around the 8:25 mark he accuses Jehovah’s Witnesses of claiming Christ is the Archangel Michael. Yet that belief was admitted and taught by the Protestant churches' scholars and theologians long before modern day JWs. .... For instance. ... The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia; “The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the “child” and the archangel in Rev. 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel” - vol. 3, p. 2048, Eerdmans Publishing, 1984 printing. Even Protestant Reformer John Calvin said regarding "Michael" in its occurrence at Daniel 12:1: "I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." - J. Calvin, Commentaries On The Book Of The Prophet Daniel, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369. Or John Gill's, -- A Body of Doctrinal Divinity, Book 7 Chapter 5: "Another prophecy in Daniel 12:1-3 respects the second and personal coming of Christ; for he is meant by Michael, who is "as God", as his name signifies, equal to him; the ‘great prince,’ the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers" etc. How does the classic old saying go about those who live in glass houses? ...
@@H.T.2forever No Evangelical has ever claimed that their church fathers are inerrant and infallible. Mormon church fathers claimed that their sermons were the same as holy scripture, and Mormon theology teaches the same. So your response is a massive category error. House still fully intact…
That shows the difference between members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and sectarian Christians. Sectarians believe they are here to judge their fellow beings. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that all judgment is given to the Son, and we are not here to judge our fellow beings.
@@rbwinn3 you're just strawmaning Orthodox Christians. You are lumping them all into one category. By the way I think you need to rethink your concept of judging. Christ made a truth claim that he is the only way truth and life..... Not us. We did not make that truth claim. We just simply believe that his truth claim has merit.
@@christianuniversalist absolutely, 1) Believe in the Trinity - 3 persons but 1 being 2) Man has a problem called sin nature 3) Christ is the son of God (part of the God head) and came to earth to die for the remission of sin 4) Christ rose from the grave 5) Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone and not by our own works.
She’s so sweeeett! I pray so hard that the true god touches her heart and frees her from her binds in this cult. I love her and she is so Christlike! And she is sooo CLOSE! She will be in my prayers!
I'm living with Mormon family currently while trying to get money together to move 600 miles away and I've been with them for several months but I've gone to their church off and on since the end of 2020. For a long time, prior to these Apologia videos really, my perspective was: Well, even if the religion isn't true (which I've never felt it was, beyond what New Testament reveals), at least I'm getting closer to Christ and staying focused on the Word by going to the church and some church functions. But these videos have helped me see how truly blasphemous and idolatrous the LDS faith is. Many times, they've asserted that I don't believe in God, despite my passionate disputation each time they've said such a thing. I've repeatedly said, "I believe in God, I have full faith in Christ, I just don't know that your prophet and book is true." But from now forward, I will reply that I just don't believe in their god. And I assume it should spark debate and inquiry. I have learned much about their beliefs and have read about half the Book of Mormon. So I've gotten the majority of the blueprints to their castle. I've infiltrated it. And these videos have armed me with the proper equipment to rescue all whom God has ordained to be saved, all to the glory of the one and true living God: the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. ❤
"Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation,in charity, in spirit,in faith, in purity." - 1 timothy 4:12
This is heartbreaking to watch. I can see how close she is to finding the true Jesus. I can hear the pain in her voice when she's told she's on the path to hell. I hear the pain in your voices, pleading for her soul to join the fold. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I wish I could hug her, sit her down, & have a long discussion with her myself. I wish there was an update on her & her faith. All I can do is pray. Pray for her, pray for our LDS friends, & pray for others across the world to have their eyes, minds, & hearts open to our Savior.
They don’t know their religion because it is hidden from them, it is constantly being rebranded, it is very unclear, and they are taught not to think or ask questions. The main emphasis is the “truthfulness” of the church no matter what contradictory things its leaders do or say from one moment to the next.
I’ve watched a lot of street evangelism videos posted by Apologia, and I have to say, this was by far the best one. I plan on moving to Provo later this year and will be watching this encounter with Julia on repeat since I also help Mormons find a better hope in Christ alone communicated in a bold way.. As a (post-Mormon) Christian, I pray that she hears and follows through on what you guys shared and finds those answers in Biblical text. I thank God everyday for His righteousness.
Ray Comfort is right, if you tell people they are going to hell without taking them through the law they will be offended. I'm always tempted to start with differences of doctrine, but it goes much better when I get them to admit their sin, then admit they are guilty and then admit they are going to hell. The law applied to the conscience then the gospel is powerful Gal. 3:24, Rom. 1:16.
I just want to take a minute and thank you for all of the good work you guys on this channel are doing. THE TRUTH will always be attacked. THE TRUTH will always be hated. It's been this way since the beginning of time, and it will continue to the end of time. You guys are one of the greatest missionary forces we have right now. Your very attacks on the Prophet JosephSmith, the Book of mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are actually fulfilling prophecy and scripture. Jesus taught in the new Testament how to know a true prophet; Luke 6: 22-23, 26. Please read it for yourself. Jesus said if a prophet is hated and attacked , this testifies that he speaks the truth and is a true prophet. Christ even said, "we should, "leap for joy, " because the very attacks on truth confirms its very truthfulness. So, please, please, please continue to make more and more videos about our faith because the more you hate and attack, the more it testifies the truth. I would be very worried if there was never opposition to the prophet Joseph Smith, but that is not the case. There are multiple multiple youtube channels ( mormon Stories, utah apologia, mormon Discussion, apologia, etc.)dedicated and organized for the very purpose of destroying Joseph smith and the LDS church. All of these anti mormon attacks do one thing for me, they make me "LEAP FOR JOY, " AND THEY ACTAUALLY BUILD UP MY TESTIMONY, and not destroy it. Please keep up the great work because the more you attack my faith, the more it convinces me and testifies to me that it's true. Thank you, and god bless in all the great work you do
Yay, I just found this channel. I love seeing videos evangelizing Mormons. I've probably learned more from Apologia about Mormonism than I knew as a Mormon. Thanks so much for these videos. Praying for Julia.
It's sad how Christians care more about official LDS doctrine than a vast majority of Mormons. They attempt to portray vigilant Christians as nothing more than "crazy, obsessed, perpetual doubters." Glad the Lord saved you, Taylor.
You are right it’s the savior that saves. Right!? Ok… as me members of what church??? Oh the church of….Jesus Christ are saved if they can apply and believe in Jesus. He died on the cross With respect why do these Christian’s who think they need to save us always look like a hot mess? Is it to be less intimidating??
@@darlenemartim9972 the name on your building means nothing, I put a Rolls Royce emblem on my Toyota, guess what. Joseph has led you after a false Christ. And I know gor a fact that mormons will lie about yalls teachings. With the lying yall must be ashamed of Joesphs teachings. How despicable.
@@darlenemartim9972 Hi, Darlene, please take this as coming from a place of caring. There's a quote by Gordon B Hinckley saying that Mormons believe in a different Jesus. I'll put the quote at the end of my comment. In 2 Corinthians 11, Paul the apostle warns about believing in a different Jesus. Gordon B Hinckley admitted that Mormons believe in a different Jesus (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p.7.). A different Jesus can't save you. I want for you to be truly saved GORDON b HINCKLEY'S QUOTE ABOUT A DIFFERENT JESUS In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.’ ‘No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'” (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, October 4, 1857: Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? . . . Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? “What!-my husband to be my lord?” I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291) Concerning the question at 6:30. Mind freaking blown
When she said "I want to be comfortable in His presence" is actually very telling. She thinks a sinner who didn't "try everything they could do" will be uncomfortable because they are not like Jesus and this is where Mormons reveal that they have boasting in their works. Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be [d]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
You confronted her with her error. I would imagine living where she does it could have been the first time in her life anyone has. It shocked her and made her afraid. In that fear is hope. You rattled her little mormon cage. Her parting shots were full of false bravado. You definitely got to her. Definitely a Divine appointment. God bless you guys!
@@nightshade99 false. here are the facts. apologetics studio are calvinists. calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things, and made all things exactly the way they are. ... thus god also created evil. therefore since calvinists believe god created evil. they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin. calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god. and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation. since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ. thus calvinists are not christians. mormons do not believe god created evil. mormons believe god gave every human free will. mormons believe everyone can be saved, because god sent jesus to take the sins of every human upon himself. and therefor all humans who accepts christ's sacrifice can be saved. mormons are more christian than calvinists.
@@nightshade99 false. and let me tell you of some of YOUR errors. first ... right off the bat. trinity is false. not a single time did god claim he was a trinity. not a single time did jesus claim he was trinity. not a single time did any apostle or prophet claim trinity. the facts are this. god told moses and moses made it clear. deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One." and jesus confirmed it. mark 12:29 Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. even demons know that. James 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. so any of YOU that believe in trinity, and preach trinity are going against god, and going against jesus. you should be shuddering, just like the demons ... because YOU are preaching false doctrine.
You guys are so bold to Gods glory I love watching you guys preach to the lost I pray my self and my family would be more involved with everything you all are doing praying for this woman and for all our church gb
Without fail, my conversations with mormons end the same way this video did, and that is "guess we'll have to wait and see whos right" a.k.a., I dont care. I have a few Mormon friends. The message from them is clear when I bring up theology, and that unspoken message is: "Dude, I dont really care please stop". So after a few years, I shake the dust off my feet.
FORMAL DEBATE # 8 [Part 1 of 2] (Mormon Series): ALAN HIGHT (Born-again Christian) Vs. LINDA (Latter-day Saint) Welcome Ladies and Gentleman! My opponent and I have come together to prove/debunk ONE of the 30 heresies of the LDS Church. Linda has selected a numbered topic at random. The topic that was chosen: # 29: MORMON FAITH + WORKS VIOLATES SCRIPTURE I will first provide my Opening Statement (unlimited words) before my opponent counters with a rebuttal (unlimited words.) The comments will teeter back and forth until one doctrinal belief overwhelms the other as either proven true or false. The debate comments will be limited to ONE concise reply apiece (100 words max.) The debates usually last three days, but it could go on for weeks. Stay Tuned! OPENING STATEMENT (ALAN): Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from God’s Word, they are not. There are 30 such doctrines that violate Christianity, and I will discuss one in particular: the doctrine of Faith + Works The faith vs. works debate often comes up in discussions of salvation. There are many who say that a person is saved based on some mixture of faith and works. Biblical Christianity teaches salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, apart from any works we do. Perhaps the best place to start is to clearly define faith and works: What is faith? Hebrews 11:1 sets out the definition: “Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” Faith is that which assures us that our hope is reality, even though we cannot yet see it. If we have faith, we are convinced that what we believe is real, true, and reliable. The biblical object of faith is the person and work of Jesus Christ. True faith has always been the identifying mark of the people of God. What are works? Works are a person’s actions or deeds. Work is that which we perform for some kind of reward. We work at our jobs and expect to receive a paycheck for it. Even working on a voluntary basis has its own reward-praise from others, a feeling of good will, etc. In the context of salvation, works refers to good deeds we do, especially religious or charitable acts or the observance of the Old Testament law. In the faith vs. works debate, the two sides maintain that either we are saved by faith (and faith alone), or we are saved by works (or, more commonly, works added to faith). Which side is correct? What is the biblical relationship between faith and works? • Works are required for salvation-but Scripture is clear that those works are Christ’s, not ours. Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). In fact, “the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross reconciled us to God (Romans 5:10), and as He died, Jesus proclaimed that the work was finished (John 19:30). Now we are invited to enter into God’s rest by faith: “Anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works” (Hebrews 4:10). • Our works do nothing to earn or maintain salvation. It was the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ that justifies sinners (Romans 3:24). “Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, . . . because by the works of the law no one will be justified” (Galatians 2:16). We begin by faith, and we continue in faith: “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?” (Galatians 3:2-3). • Salvation is by grace, which precludes works. Grace is, by definition, unearned, and Scripture makes it clear that God’s grace in salvation destroys the argument for human effort: “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). • God’s requirement for salvation is faith in His Son. One of the grand themes of the Bible is that we are justified, or declared righteous, by faith (Genesis 15:6). Faith is the only means of making sinful human beings able to stand before a holy God. No amount of law-keeping or good works can accomplish it (Titus 3:5). If our works could save us, then Christ died for nothing (Galatians 2:21). • Works are the product of faith. Those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). John the Baptist called for “fruit in keeping with repentance” (Matthew 3:8). The book of James emphasizes the nature of true saving faith as that which results in good works: “Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead” and “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead” (James 2:17, 26). Grace through faith saves, and that faith is manifest in works. If someone claims to have faith yet exhibits no good works, his or her faith is “dead,” or nonexistent.
Doesn't she want to become better prepared herself? I remember telling amissionary that I was a slave of Jesus and the Morman missionary retorted that one should not be a slave to anyone. We need to remember that this heart/life is not yours or mine it is one of two whom has got,. but which one?
I would love to have a podcast with you guys "Apologia Utah" how can we get in contact? Anyway I love what you guys are doing however telling Julia that she is going to hell was uncalled for. We do not have the right to condemn anyone that is the Father's job NOT OURS! Also hell technically is not where anyone goes in the end, hell is the grave, there are about 9 different words for hell such as Sheol, Place of death, The Underworld, The Deep, Bottomless pit, Abyss. Lets talk and connect, my email is on my about tab love you brothers for what you do.
Amazing video guys! You guys are extremely well spoken, loving and patient. Much respect to her for staying and listening. You guys definitely gave her something to think about. Hopefully the true Jesus softens her heart and the truth will be revealed. It’s so hard to stop believing those false teachings once you learn them. Let’s all pray for her and Mormons as a whole!
*_Hopefully the true Jesus softens her heart and the truth will be revealed. It’s so hard to stop believing those false teachings once you learn them. Let’s all pray for her and Mormons as a whole!_* Yes, it can be hard to stop believing false teachings. We LDS pray for all, including non-LDS Christians.
She is the one that asked you all if you think she is going to hell. You all didn’t bring that up. She did then gets turned off because you gave an honest biblical answer. You all would not be out there if you didn’t realize people will go to hell outside of Christ. The thing is they believe people have a chance after death which is a doctrine straight from the mouth of Satan. God bless you both for being out there and loving your neighbors. It truly saddens me when I see someone so close but yet so far away and especially when they shut off at very key points of the conversations. Mormons don’t take Hell as seriously as Biblical Christians do. Maybe it’s because they don’t feel they deserve it. Them not understanding that they deserve Hell and ought to go to Hell for theirs sins against a just thrice Holy God they will never have the humility Christ called for. Self righteousness is a killer, idolatry is a killer, no fear of God is a killer. I’m praying for this girl. Bless you all for being out there.
That’s because your idea of the hell is laughable. Only a demonic God would create a world and people only to predetermine who is going to hell and who is going to be saved. If this were true, there would be no purpose to mortal life. It’s an absolutely asinine belief. You think modern day prophets are sacrilegious. The totally bizarre God you believe in is sacrilegious.
That was so good but also so painful. Good job being loving and yet solid about what the Bible says and about truth, even when she got really uncomfortable about it.
Mormonism is a nickname. The correct name of the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of which I also am a member. I come from a long line of protestantism (Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran). Greatfully many of my grandparents were prepared and gathered to this church. I'm grateful to leave the man made doctrines of sola scriptura and trinity to realize the truths of the ongoing restoration. Thousands of years ago the Lord prepared to have the Book of Mormon begin it's story to be placed on gold plates and restored in these last days through the prophet Joseph Smith. How grateful I am to have prophets and apostles and priesthood authority and the gift of the Holy Ghost that allows me to receive revelation. I invite you to open your hearts and come and experience these things as well that you might rejoice.
I am a non practising Mormon priest I left the church along time ago because I found the real jesus Joseph smith and the book of Mormon are false I pray that you find the real jesus aswell and be saved from the LDS church
@@ke6264 if feeling the power of God, feeling his love, feeling closer to Jesus, and experiencing the joy of the Holy Spirit is "being lost" then I hope to remain in this state the rest of my life. Ive never experienced anything as remarkable and wonderful as what ive found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Come and see with an open heart.
@@lindalds I agree if with rejection misinterpretation of scripture . However I have experienced that no matter how clear & in context a scripture is , if it contradicts LDS belief them the go to argument oh I don’t believe that interpretation. But never given the proper interpretation of the scripture , just say it’s a wrong interpretation.
@@godtalk9645 Since baptism is required for exaltation, those who died without baptism were baptized vicariously. Paul was talking with those who did not believe in the resurrection. He asks them, wny do they do this if there's no resurrection?
This is like one saying Santa Claus put Rudolph in charge. And someone else arguing that Rudolph never really had a shiny nose so couldn’t have led the slay. It’s all made up together.
So let’s all pretend, via a pseudo-science, that once upon a time something exploded and then by random happenstance and dumb luck somehow everything we see came into existence, aka the big bang theory, and by random happenstance and dump luck a fish mutated into a human, aka, evolution.
The greatest difference between members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and secular Christians is that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that all judgment is given to the Son of God, whereas secular Christians believe they are here to judge their fellow beings.
Respectfully, nowhere in the Bible do you see men nor Jesus existing eternally as "intelligences." Jesus has eternally existed as the divine Son of God.
@@apologiautah Intelligence is the glory of God (Father, Son, Holy Ghost). So are you saying that Jesus is not coeternal with the Father? Please explain?
@@stevenhenderson9005 That is only one of the definitions of "intelligence" in Mormon doctrine (see below). Once again, as you see in the references (below) this idea is foreign to the Holy Scriptures and therefore must be rejected since they are not the Words of God. Of course the biblical Jesus Christ is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and Spirit. You know who are not? Humans? Genesis 1,2 as well as Isaiah 45:12 make it clear humans didn't constitute being until their existence upon the earth. "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded." From churchofjesuschrist . org: "Intelligence has several meanings, three of which are: (1) It is the light of truth that gives life and light to all things in the universe. It has always existed. (2) The word intelligences may also refer to spirit children of God. (3) The scriptures also may speak of intelligence as referring to the spirit element that existed before we were begotten as spirit children. Intelligence cleaveth unto intelligence, D&C 88:40. Intelligence was not created or made, D&C 93:29. All intelligence is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, D&C 93:30. The glory of God is intelligence, D&C 93:36-37. Intelligence acquired in this life rises with us in the resurrection, D&C 130:18-19. The Lord rules over all the intelligences, Abr. 3:21. The Lord showed Abraham the intelligences that were organized before the world was, Abr. 3:22."
@@apologiautah 1 Corinthians 1:18-19 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Genesis 3:6 And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a pleasure for the eyes, and the tree was to be desired to give intelligence; and she took of its fruit, and ate, and gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Exodus 31:3 I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom and skill, in understanding and intelligence, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship, Exodus 35:31 and He has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom and skill, with intelligence and understanding, and with knowledge in all [areas of] craftsmanship, Job 12:3 “But I have intelligence as well as you;I am not inferior to you.And who does not know such things as these? Job 12:24 “He deprives of intelligence the chiefs of the earth’s peopleAnd makes them wander in a pathless waste. Job 32:8 “But there is [a vital force and] a spirit [of intelligence] in man,And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding. Job 39:26 Doth the hawk fly by thine intelligence, and stretch his wings toward the south. Proverbs 1:2 For knowing wisdom and instruction, For understanding sayings of intelligence, Proverbs 2:3 For, if for intelligence thou callest, For understanding givest forth thy voice, Proverbs 3:5 Confide in Jehovah with all thy heart, and lean not unto thine own intelligence. Proverbs 4:1 Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know intelligence; Proverbs 4:5 Get wisdom, get intelligence: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Proverbs 4:7 The beginning of wisdom is, Get wisdom; and with all thy getting get intelligence. Proverbs 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am intelligence; I have strength. Proverbs 9:6 Forsake follies and live, and go in the way of intelligence. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the Holy is intelligence. Proverbs 11:12 He who lacks {sense} belittles his neighbor, but a person of intelligence will remain silent. Proverbs 15:21 Folly is joy to one lacking heart, And a man of intelligence directeth his going. Proverbs 30:2 Truly I am more stupid than any one; and I have not a man's intelligence. Isaiah 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; Israel doth not know, my people hath no intelligence. Isaiah 27:11 When its branches are withered they shall be broken off; women shall come and set them on fire. For it is a people of no intelligence; therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he who formed them will shew them no favour. Isaiah 40:14 With whom took he counsel, and who gave him intelligence, and instructed him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed him the way of understanding? Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have no intelligence; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Daniel 1:17 As for these four youths, God gave them knowledge and intelligence in every branch of literature and wisdom; Daniel even understood all kinds of visions and dreams. Daniel 5:11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the days of your predecessor he was found to have insight, intelligence, and wisdom like the wisdom of the gods. Your predecessor, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the diviners, mediums, Chaldeans, and astrologers. Your own predecessor, the king, Daniel 5:14 I’ve heard that you have the spirit of the gods in you, and that you have insight, intelligence, and extraordinary wisdom. Matthew 15:16 But he said, Are ye also still without intelligence? Mark 12:33 and to love him with all the heart, and with all the intelligence, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbour as one's self, is more than all the burnt-offerings and sacrifices. Luke 2:47 All who heard him were amazed at his intelligence and his answers. Luke 11:40 You foolish ones [acting without reflection or intelligence]! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? Acts 6:10 But they were not able to successfully withstand and cope with the wisdom and the intelligence [and the power and inspiration] of the Spirit by whom he was speaking. Acts 13:7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will reject." 1 Corinthians 4:10 We, for Christ's sake, are labeled as "foolish"; you, as Christians, are men of shrewd intelligence. We are mere weaklings: you are strong. You are in high repute: we are outcasts. Ephesians 1:8 which he has caused to abound towards us in all wisdom and intelligence, Philippians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in full knowledge and all intelligence, Titus 3:3 For we were once ourselves also without intelligence, disobedient, wandering in error, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
@@apologiautah May point that I was making was about the fact that in Mormonism I do not see a created Jesus. We can debate all day on whether or not there was a pre-existace. The teachings that come out of King Follett discourse has been rejected by the mormon church as well as the teachings that people can ever become God's with their own planet and spirit offspring. See LDS website essay titled "Becoming like God" I am not debating on Mormonism teachings being correct or accurate, because that has already been proven multiple times. However I will debate the fact that I still believe most Mormons are saved because they believe in salvation through the Blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that it is only the Grace (Free Gift) that salvation from the outer darkness of Hell comes. Most Christians get confused when Mormons say "saved" or "salvation" because they are talking about being saved from losing their Inheritance (Crowns) at the Judement Seat of Christ based on what the do (works) It doesn't matter what they call it or how they think it works. If they believe they are saved by the grace of Christ then they are saved. The question you have to ask them is : "How do you recive salvation from Outer Darkness?" The whole worship of a different Jesus is up for debate.
The word, hell, is not in the Bible at all! That is, it is not in the original Hebrew and Greek texts. Not one of the men who wrote the 66 books of the Bible ever used the word, hell, or any other word that means what hell means. The word, Hell, has been added to our Bibles over the years by various translators!
Sheol-hades is where people go when they die in there sin and the lake of fire is hell which is only recorded in revelations where death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire once jesus come back.
1John 5:7-8 There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are "one". And there are three that bear witness in earth, the water, the blood, and the spirit, and these three agree in "one".
What a lie that Apologia care about her. They just want to tear down her faith and badger her into accepting their faith. They love her like an eagle loves a rabbit.
The "Trinity" was formed from the Catholic theology (not Evangelicals) - who just "adopted" this idea. (So how can they say they (Evangelicals) say they are right, instead of the Catholics)? So if the trinity is "wrong" then both sects are misled / wrong. (If truth like these people say, matters).
@@dirkfirkle73that was not a prophecy. It was a command to the members of the church to build a temple. Think about it: how can anyone prophesy about something being done, when it needs to be done by the members? “A temple will be built…” Members sit and wait for temple to get built. Wait… What?
@@dirkfirkle73 What prophecy? D&C 130:14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: 15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter. 16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. 17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.
@@dirkfirkle73 *_for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182)._* History of the Church is not always accurate. IT's usually a case of he said that he said t hat he said. Like I said, the OFFICIAL version is from the Docrine & Covenants D&C 130:14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: 15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter. 16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. 17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time. *_Prophecy # 2 - David W. Patten to go on a mission._* Nope, wrong again. This was not a prophecy that he would go on a mission. It was a command that he prepare to go on a mission. *_Prophecy # 3 - The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years...Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843_* I suppose you can count the Civil War as the government being "overthrown". It's certainly not been the same as it was before the war. *_Prophecy # 4 - Congress to be broken up as a government._* See #3 above Also, as to #3 and 4, again, history of the Church and other such publications is not always accurate. *_No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fell into the hands of the Mormons._* Not yet, anyway. *_Prophecy #6 - Pestilence, Hail, Famine & Earthquake to Destroy the Wicked...Such a widespread destruction of the wicked of that generation never occurred_* Not yet. *_Prophecy # 7 - Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri. This prophecy comes directly from Doctrine & Covenants Section 84, the introduction of which states: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio_* ACtually, the wording of said "Prophecy" could conceivably mean the temple at Kirtland, not Missouri. See where it says 3. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased. 4. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, *_beginning at this place,_* even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation. 5. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house. Beginning at THIS PLACE. Since this revelation was given at Kirtland, it could very well mean the Kirtland temple. But, even if He was talking about the Missouri temple, that would not have been a prophecy, but a command. Which is confirmed by D&C 124:49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their adiligence, and their enemies come upon them and bhinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to crequire that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings... 51 Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a ahouse unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God.
Apologia are preaching the gospel of Paul again and not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They criticise 2 Nephi 25:23 again claiming it is non biblical but it makes basically the same point that 1 John 1:7 makes.
This was such an amazing encounter. I wouldn't be discouraged by her response at the end about not telling people they're going to hell. I was Mormon and I was told I was going to hell by street ministers, and I gave them the same lecture about how they won't reach anyone by talking about hell. Ten years later, here I am, a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nobody is going to hell in the sense we believe it today. Hell is not even in the greek or Hebrew Bible. It’s a social construct created well after the Bible.
The serpent never lied in telling Eve she would be as the gods by eating the fruit Genesis 3:5 which is confirmed by God in Genesis 3:22. The only lie was that she wouldn’t die.
The faith vs. works debate, then, is really no debate at all. Both faith and works are integral parts of the Christian life. Biblically, faith is the cause of salvation, while works are the evidence of it. FORMAL DEBATE # 8 [Part 2 of 2] (Mormon Series:) ALAN HIGHT (Born-again Christian) Vs. LINDA (Latter-day Saint) One of the many areas in which Mormons fall short of saving faith is their belief that God is merely an exalted man who earned his position by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). This directly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed in His position as God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15-16; Psalm 102:24-27). God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9) and is the holy and powerful Creator of all things (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). Mormons also believe that they themselves can attain the status of gods in the afterlife through their works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-354). However, no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22), despite what the serpent told Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:5). Those who follow the Mormon faith also believe that they can attain heaven through works (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42-43; 2 Nephi 9:23-24; Alma 34:30-35; Articles of Faith, p.92). While they claim faith in Christ, they also rely on following the commandments of the Mormon Church (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p 188; Mormon Doctrine, p. 670) and practicing good works (2 Nephi 25:23; Alma 11:37) in order to achieve salvation. The Bible is very clear on this point, stating that good works can never earn the way to heaven (Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5) and that faith in Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation (John 10:9; 11:25; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Salvation by grace is incompatible with salvation by human works (Romans 11:6). This destroys the 2 Nephi 25:23 verse: “For we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” Many passages of the Bible teach that salvation is through faith alone, not faith plus works. Ephesians 2:8-9, for example, is clearly worded and unequivocal: “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” Of great importance is the word grace, which refers to God’s blessings on the undeserving. The very idea of grace negates all attempts to earn salvation. Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel: “Since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved” (Romans 11:6, NLT). There are a few Bible passages that, at first glance, seem to teach salvation through faith plus works. One such is James 2:24, which appears to say that justification is by faith plus works: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” This apparent problem is solved by examining the whole of James’ argument in his epistle. James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works (see James 2:17-18). Genuine faith in Christ, James says, will produce a changed life and result in good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his or her life. The works are an outward show of genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26)-and it’s that outward show that “justifies” the believer in the sight of other people. Paul says those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). To return to Ephesians 2, immediately after teaching that we are saved through faith, not through works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul says that we were created “to do good works” (Ephesians 2:10). Salvation comes by God’s grace through faith, and that faith is made manifest in good works. The works follow the faith and are a proof of it. If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, we must qualify whose works. We are not saved by our own works, however meritorious they are in our own eyes. We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12). Other passages that clearly teach salvation through faith alone include Acts 16:31; Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9. Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). Receiving salvation is not done by works but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation. Ultimately, the Mormon false religion should be rejected outright by true Christians of God.
OK, just to be clear, I'm not here to debate on who's right and who's wrong. This debate is not going to change either one of us to the other's way of believing. For one thing, I was seriously brought up to believe as Alan Hight believes. But it just didn't feel right. God showed me where He wanted me to go. *_Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.”_* CAN be defined, but not everyone defines it the same. That's definately not the Webster's definition of "cult". *_but because they reject foundational truths from God’s Word, they are not._* What we reject is your interpretation of God's word. I assume you are going to cover what those foundational truths are, that we reject. *_Work is that which we perform for some kind of reward._* For us, work is what we believe the Lord Jesus Christ wants us to do, in order to become perfect, or complete, as our Father in Heaven is perfect, or complete. *_the two sides maintain that either we are saved by faith (and faith alone), or we are saved by works (or, more commonly, works added to faith). Which side is correct?_* Let's add a third, Faith, AND Works. Faith alone gets us no where, and works alone gets us no where. Works done because of our faith in Jesus Christ and the Laws and Ordinances of THE GOSPEL (not the Laws of Moses). IOW, we don't do works to get brownie points with God. We do works for OUR benefit, the benefit of our brothers and sisters and all mankind, and to praise God. Matthew 5:16 Also, the definition of "salvation" is a little different. To you, salvation is the end of the Journey. To us, Salvation is the end of one part of our journey (mortal life) and the beginning of another part (exaltation). Now, I know you don't believe in those, but that's what we believe. And I find nothing in the Bible that contradicts that at all. *_“Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law,_* Paul is speaking of the Law of Moses. We are not. *_Those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus _**_2:14_**_)_* However, one must do the will of the Father and the Son, not just go out on their own. Matthew 7:21-23
@@lindalds [Reminder, only 100 word responses. Repeating opponent's words will not count towards word total] YOU: OK, just to be clear, I'm not....showed me where He wanted me to go. ME: God shows you where to go through scripture; if you do not follow His word, you are following men's law. YOU: For us, work is what we believe... or complete. ME: I know that, and scripture points out your error in believing you must do ANY work to justify yourself. You are outright ignoring Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH. And this is NOT YOUR OWN DOING; it is the gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast. Plain as day! YOU: Works done because of our faith in Jesus Christ and the Laws and Ordinances of THE GOSPEL (not the Laws of Moses). ME: If you add works, you must fulfill 100% of the law and diminish the death of Jesus Christ. (100 words)
@@nightshade99 *_God shows you where to go through scripture; if you do not follow His word, you are following men's law._* God has shown me. That's all that matters. No one can tell me it's not true. Because I know it is. *_scripture points out your error in believing you must do ANY work to justify yourself_* As I said, we do what we do because we believe that this is what GOD is telling us. HOW He tells us is not important; what's important is that HE tells us what we should do. IT's not to justify ourselves. Besides, if God tells me to do something, I'm gonna do it. There is nothing in the Bible that says "You don't have to do what God says to do". God: I need you to do this. Me: Well, God, the Bible says I don't have to. (side note: I sometimes think that there will be people standing at the feet of God, and He is telling them some home truths, and they are saying "But, God, That's not what the Bible Says!!" _*it is the gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast. Plain as day!*_ I honestly don't think you are even reading what I'm saying. *_f you add works, you must fulfill 100% of the law and diminish the death of Jesus Christ._* AGAIN, that is for the Law of MOSES! NOT what Christ wants us to do.
@@lindalds CAUTION: You are in violation of the debate by overusing your word count (172). Trim it down to regulation before we continue (or take Strike 1). You have to pay attention to what you are doing, Linda.
@@lindalds No, MEN showed you. God would never contradict His word revealed to His children. Everything that you have spoken about defies Scripture. There is a reason there are warnings in the Bible about false prophets and religions. That is pure fantasy. God does not talk to you. How do I know? God does not contradict Himself. You TEST all spirits. Not everyone talking to you is God. If is contradicts scripture, it is demonic. I analyze everything. You are acting as if God is justifying Mormonism, when he actually condemns it. Tell me, in your mind, what does Christ want us to do?
What a great conversation. I will be praying for her. I still get so confused when Mormons claim they believe in salvation by grace. The third article of faith states otherwise.
Were are all saved by grace, after we put for effort. Just as the Bible teaches. One cannot simply profess faith. One must live a life that produces the fruits of faith. Otherwise, our entire existence would be meaningless. It’s a very simple concept, really. And don’t reply with the “lest any man should boast” bull crap.
@@Kapayapaanman Thats literally what the Bible says. Also How many works of faith do I have to do to be saved? Give me an exact number. How frequent? So does Jesus save me, or does my effort and works? Who is the savior? Am I saving myself with Jesus stickered on, or is the GREAT I AM saving me from my sins, and I do works and produce fruit as a result of my salvation?
@@Kapayapaanman Sounds like an attempt to refer to James 2: 14-26. If so, James never refers to the quality of the works but the quality of faith. I love how the passage is summed up in verse 26, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” Because in the same way the vital signs of life are not the cause of life but the result of it. Only God can give us physical life by putting our spirit in our body. A dead person is unresponsive, in and of themselves because they cannot make themselves alive. Likewise, insincere faith produces no vital signs and is also dead. Only God makes our faith alive, a faith that produces outward fruits OF GOD’S Spirit. It is NOT of ourselves. The biblical text is clear on that point. God‘s Holy Spirit indwells with the people who genuinely believe in the sufficiency of Christ alone and are provided a faith made alive in and through Him.
@@loelholmes-ficko8868 “if you love me, keep my commandments.” Is that a good enough number? Straight from Jesus’ mouth. How could one profess faith or to love Jesus and not try to keep his commandments? By your logic, one could profess faith and live a life of sin, and be saved. Jesus is the ultimate saving grace, however, the least he asks for is our righteousness. It’s a combination of faith and works, just as the Bible teaches.
@@found-in-him yes, the ultimate power to save is through god and Christ’s atonement. However, the entire purpose of life is to develop faith. One cannot simply claim, “I am saved because I believe.” This is why Jesus said there are many who draw near me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. “If ye love me keep my commandments.” Maybe the scripture should say “love without works is dead. Faith without love is also dead.” There would be no purpose to the commandments or life on earth if all we needed was faith. If that were the case why would god create a world full of people that never even knew of him in the way that you do? So does God hate good people that where taught a different faith tradition than you? That is absurd if you believe in a loving God. Also there’s revelations 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Apologia are trying to get this young lady to deny the witness of the Holy Ghost that she has been given from God by telling her she must accept their interpretation of the Bible instead. But the Bible itself says; Luke 24:32, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:13, Acts 1:2, Acts 5:32, 1 Corinthians 2:10-14, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Peter 1:20,21. 1 John 5:6.
*It is Mormons who claim their church is the one true church* and all Christians Churches are wrong and an abomination. Mormons claim everyone needs to join their church, pay them 10% of your total income, get a Temple Recommend from a Mormon bishop so you may participate in a Temple Endowment Rituals, perform baptism of the dead rituals, which includes, giving Masonic type handshakes, saying secret passwords, wearing underwear with sewn in Masonic symbols, and do much more. All so you possibly, maybe, perhaps, have eternal life becoming a Mormon polygamist exalted man god or his goddess wife. Where as the Bible and Christian message is to have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ only and not through any church. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23) “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9) Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Don't leave out the Way, Jesus is the Way - Revelation 3: 21. Jesus never lies, and the standard, the only logical standard for a Holy God, that He gave upon the mount is "Be ye therefore perfect, as YOUR Father which is in heaven is perfect." If you preach another gospel than the one Jesus preached in the flesh, then you are denying Jesus in the flesh.
My husband is given the priviledge of calling me forth. It's Jesus Christ who does it. If my husband refuses, HE is the one who is not going to be exalted. And if he's not worthy, he won't be able to call me.
@@lindalds Nothing I have stated can be contradicted by scripturally-sound people. Your belief system is that of MEN, and it is leading you to destruction.
It all boils down to who Jesus is! They claim Jesus is the brother of satan! That’s a false Jesus. And then they say God has a wife or wives! Again. That’s not God!
Great conversation but the only part I disagree with is when you basically told her God hated her! That's just not true! He loves her like he loves us all! He hates her sin, not her! He prayed father forgive them for the ones crucifying him, they didn't ask for it!
Apologia are misusing Isaiah 43:10 again which is about Jehovah saying he is the only God to the Israelites who are worshipping idols. He doesn’t mean he is the only god ever in existence as the Bible is quite clear that there are other gods in existence and that men can become gods; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36, Matthew 5:48, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6. 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21. Apologia often misuse Isaiah 42:8 too saying that God will never share his glory with anyone but again the Bible overturns this universal interpretation of scripture with other scripture, in this case; John 17:22.
This Apologia street preacher says he used to be Mormon. It’s a shame that he exchanged the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the idle man’s gospel of Paul and the false teachings of Apologia.
Apologia say to this follower of Christ that just because she does good deeds it doesn’t make her a righteous person. The Bible says 1 John 3:7. I hope she isn’t deceived by believing Apologia.
Apologia would have this young lady follow after another god that doesn’t require baptism in order to save souls. The God of the Bible said Mark 16:16, John 3:5. Joseph Smith encouraged people to always follow the God of the Bible.
To have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ of the Bible only and not through any church or ritual, that includes the LDS Church, aka. the Mormon Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses Church (Kingdom Hall), Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, Protestant Church, Methodist Church, The Pentecostal Church, Baptist Churches, Russian Orthodox Church, Easter Orthodox, Jewish synagog or temple, Islam, etc. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6) Jesus said, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23) “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9) Jesus said, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3) Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
@@kjvjay what are you doing here with your copy and paste response? You’re not clear? I know the scripture. My ancestors wrote the Bible in Greek and Aramaic. Yours wrote it in Latin then English which is misinterpreted. What I said was what the Bible says: do not judge others.
The crying little boy should be attended to by the man who isn't taking much on the right. It's a bad example. Hopefully you guys will change this next time. Be a good soulwinning partner take care of crying children.
“Learn Heaven” comes from Brad Wilcox. Recognized that phrase from a mile away. Brad unfortunately had had to struggle with 2 Nephi 25:23 and deny the Bible Dictionary definition of Grace in the quad. It really is chameleon skin on the Mormon religion, and I am glad Andrew was digging up the skeleton that actually is historically accurate.
Or, it’s dogmatic gymnastics on your part. Which, based on what the Bible and Jesus taught, you are incorrect in your supposition. Here are the two verses after 23. 24 And, notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we keep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled. 25 For, for this end was the law given; wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ because of our faith; *yet we keep the law because of the commandments*. Christ gave laws and commandments. There weren’t suggestions, at least not in the LDS belief.
What does revaluation 20:12 mean? And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: *and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.*
@@Kapayapaanman what books were open the Bible cuz the Bible is a binding of books the Hebrew Israelites back in the days of Moses they were writing letters they weren't writing no books they were writing on scrolls, And Mormons do not follow the law statutes and commandments of God, they simply do not keep Sabbath day according to the Bible is Saturday ,Add according to the Bible Jesus did not die on Friday you can't read that nowhere in the Bible, another belief that the Mormons have is that they came from Heaven that's the biggest lie ever been told because Jesus who is God almighty said in John chapter 3 verse 13 no man has ever been to heaven except the one that came down which is himself so the Mormon lied on that and another line that the Mormons teach that Joseph Smith restored the Church that's another lie the church was Israel the 12 tribes the people that God scattered that's the church so Joseph Smith lied again and it's many more lies that he told but you need a whole book
@@Kapayapaanman GOD tells us that his people sinned Against him That's why he Had them removed, The Church was taken into Captivity it's written in the bible
Joseph Smith taught his followers, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”* Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon. Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States. -------------------- *Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) ------------------------------------------------------------- The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS; History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
*Here is part of the Mormon so-called restored gospel, described in the own official Mormon Church, (LDS Church) publication.* You may see for yourself what Mormons require you must do the to have eternal life, to maybe, perhaps, might, possibly become a Mormon polygamist exalted man god, or a goddess wife to your Mormon polygamist exalted man god husband. At the end is this declaration, “THIS IS THE WAY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER BECAME GOD.” ----------------- "Gospel Principles," Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints Salt Lake City, Utah, 1997 Edition Unit Ten, Life after Death - Chapter 47, Exaltation, Page 30 *”What Is Exaltation?”* *“EXALTATION IS ETERNAL LIFE,* the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.” “If we prove faithful to the Lord, we will live in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom of heaven. We will become exalted, just like our Heavenly Father. Exaltation is the greatest gift that Heavenly Father can give his children (see D&C 14:7).” *Blessings of Exaltation* Our Heavenly Father is perfect. However, he is not jealous of his wisdom and perfection. He glories in the fact that it is possible for his children to become like him. He has said, "This is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39). Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, "All things are theirs" (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people: 1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76). *2. THEY WILL BECOME GODS.* 3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family. 4. They will receive a fulness of joy. 5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have--all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge. President Joseph Fielding Smith [10th Mormon prophet] wrote: "The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to his commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them" (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2 of 3, page 36). *”Requirements for Exaltation”* “The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32-34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, "In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and understanding of the truth; and 'live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God' " (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2 of 3 ,page 43).” To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey his commandments. He commands us all to receive certain ordinances: 1. We must be baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. 2. We must receive the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 3. We must receive the temple endowment. 4. We must be married for time and eternity. In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to-- 1. Love and worship God. 2. Love our neighbor. 3. Repent of our wrongdoings. [See Ch.19 about the seven steps required for repentance.] 4. Live the law of chastity. 5. Pay honest tithes and offerings. [Meaning 10% of your gross, i.e., total income. “Gospel Principles," Ch. 32] 6. Be honest in our dealings with others and with the Lord. 7. Speak the truth always. *8. Obey the Word of Wisdom.* [Meaning no tea or coffee, in that they contain caffeine, and no alcohol or tobacco] 9. Search out our kindred dead and perform the saving ordinances of the gospel for them. [Meaning they go into one of their temples, put their temple garments, and perform baptism for the dead] 10. Keep the Sabbath day holy. 11. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament. 12. Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord. 13. Have family and individual prayers every day. 14. Honor our parents. 15. Teach the gospel to others by word and example. 16. Study the scriptures. 17. Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord. 18. Develop true charity in our lives. [1995 Edition, deleted in the 1997 Edition] Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow his direction in our individual lives. (1995 Edition included this sentence, deleted in the 1997 Edition) *In other words, each person must endure in faithfulness, keeping all the Lord’s commandments until the end of his life on earth.* *”Requirement Number 3 above, the requirement of Repentance.”* In addition to the above requirements for so-called “Exaltation,” there is a chapter on the seven steps of repentance, what each step mean, and what is required for each step. Included are quotes from Mormon so-called prophets and Mormon so-called apostles, to backup their claim that this is all necessary. “Gospel Principles,” 1997 Ed., Chapter 19, entitled “Repentance.” *“THIS IS THE WAY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER BECAME GOD.* Joseph Smith taught: ‘It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.’ (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)” "Gospel Principles," Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints Salt Lake City, Utah, 1997 Edition Unit Ten, Life after Death - Chapter 47, Exaltation, Page 305
*Mormon, have you done all you can do to be exalted. Do you have your certificate, your passport from Joseph Smith?* ”No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF JOSEPH SMITH...every man and woman must have the CERTIFICATE OF JOSEPH SMITH, junior, as A PASSPORT entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are.” This nonsense was part of Brigham Young’s, 2nd Mormon false prophet, Sunday Service message to the self proclaimed latter-day saints, in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 7 of 26, p 289) Brigham Young is highly revered and studied by Mormons; so highly respected is Young that Mormons named a university in Utah after him, BYU.
@@peterkennedy8011 Joseph Smith taught his followers, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”* Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon. Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States. -------------------- *Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) ------------------------------------------------------------- The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS; History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
Those who believe in immortality for all from birth must reinterpret the Bible to say: 1. Those who are destroyed are not destroyed. (James 4:12; 2 Peter 2:12; 2 Peter 3:7) 2. Those who perish do not perish. (1 Corinthians 1:8: John 3:16) 3. Those who die do not die. (Romans 6:23) 4. The end of the wicked is not really their end. (Philippians 3:19; Hebrews 6:8) 5. Those who are consumed are not consumed. (Hebrews 10:27) 6. Mortals are born immortal; (1 Timothy 6:16) therefore, how can there be any such thing as being mortal? There are no mortals and could never be a mortal if all men are created immortal. 7. The second death is not a death; it is eternal life with torment. (Revelation 21:8)
Good things we “Mormons” don’t believe Mormonism saves. “Mormonism” isn’t even the name of anything. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ only believe there is ONE who saves. Jesus Christ. Because we are christian.
*When Mormons refer to god, their so-called heavenly father, they are referring to a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* A man who dwelt on another earth, kept the commandment his god gave him earning his godhood and was exalted to be made a Mormon god. A Mormon exalted man god who practices polygamy in his so-called celestial kingdom. A Mormon polygamist exalted man god among a myriad of mythical Mormon polygamist exalted men gods and each having numerous goddess wives in their celestial kingdoms. A mythology made up by Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, and Brigham Young, 2nd Mormon false prophet. This is obviously not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth who became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.,among a myriad of mythical Mormon polygamist exalted men gods and each having numerous goddess wives in their celestial kingdoms. A mythology made up by Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, and Brigham Young.. References Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith page 345, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th Mormon false prophet, Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:9, Journal of Discourses Vol. 7 p 333-334, Vol. 9 of 26, p 322. God declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10)
Quit pretending to be a Bible scholar. You have no idea what the Bible says, in Greek, much less in English. Why would god be referred to as the father and Jesus the son if there is not a mother and a father? Why the need for these very specific pronouns? Oh, that’s right, they are just two dudes, chillin with out any women around. So…are they gay then?
If you are genuinely seeking for truth, read the entire gospel of John and pay specific attention to the way Jesus communicates with the Father as the Son, and the way He communicates with others when referring to God as His Father and Himself as the Son. The answer to your question is specifically found in John 5. If you decide to do anything I ask, please read John 5 with an open mind and try to remove pre-conceived ideas before reading the text. After healing a paralytic on the Sabbath, the Pharisees began persecuting Jesus, when Jesus became face to face with them, he made the statement in John 17 “My Father is working until now, and I am working”. The Jews would have immediately understood Jesus statement, because God did not rest on the Sabbath, and Jesus stating that He was working on the Sabbath because His Father was also working, was the only way He could communicate with the Jews that He was equal with the Father, while at the same time differentiating Himself as a distinct person from the Father. The terms Father and Son are used because the only true God is not one person, hence the need to differentiate between the 3 persons sharing the one true being of YHWH. As the Jews clearly understood, Jesus claiming to be the Son of God, was Jesus way of differentiating Himself from the person of God the Father while letting them understand that just like human fathers and sons both have the same nature, Jesus being the Son was revealing that He shared the same nature as God. If you were to accept Jesus statement in John 17:3, “And this is eternal life, that they know you (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” You would understand that Jesus statement 2 verses later, “And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed”, is not one god speaking to another god, but God the Son asking God the Father to glorify Himself with the glory they have eternally shared together as the only true God.
@@Hez0 sheep are used as a metaphor, in a few instances “other sheep I have which are not of this fold”. When Jesus is talking about his father, And the father his son, i don’t see any metaphorical implications anywhere. If God is uncreated, as many here argue. Who created Jesus? Or did they both appear at the same time?
ITs funny these bible salespeople say "We love you" but you are going to hell (because you don't believe in our opinion)! Jesus taught against this! The Girl is the one on track (not these dudes).
The bible calls us to rightly _divide_ the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15); making distinctions brings clarity. Notice how LDS' try to unite their lie with the truth by manufacturing common ground and conflating; attempting to cloud judgment and discernment.
I do not believe that a loving Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ, would ever take anyone who is earnestly and sincerely seeking His will in their lives, and throw them into an eternal Barbeque pit because they chose the "wrong" (read: your) church/denomination/religion.
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The most surprising thing about these encounters is realizing just how much modern Mormons disagree with their own church fathers and official doctrine.
Excellent observation, it's amazing that for young or convert Mormons, in order to witness to them you must first teach them Mormon theology, because they don't even understand what their past church authorities have taught
@@corybritton1966 And the modern Mormon would be appalled by their history.
@corybritton1966 ;
True ...
But unfortunately, the evangelical Christians here are also guilty of the same ignorance of their own history too.
For instance, at around the 8:25 mark he accuses Jehovah’s Witnesses of claiming Christ is the Archangel Michael. Yet that belief was admitted and taught by the Protestant churches' scholars and theologians long before modern day JWs. ....
For instance. ...
The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia;
“The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the “child” and the archangel in Rev. 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel” - vol. 3, p. 2048, Eerdmans Publishing, 1984 printing.
Even Protestant Reformer John Calvin said regarding "Michael" in its occurrence at Daniel 12:1:
"I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." - J. Calvin, Commentaries On The Book Of The Prophet Daniel, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369.
Or John Gill's, -- A Body of Doctrinal Divinity, Book 7 Chapter 5:
"Another prophecy in Daniel 12:1-3 respects the second and personal coming of Christ; for he is meant by Michael, who is "as God", as his name signifies, equal to him; the ‘great prince,’ the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers" etc.
How does the classic old saying go about those who live in glass houses? ...
What do you expect from a god that is continuing to “progress?”
@@H.T.2forever
No Evangelical has ever claimed that their church fathers are inerrant and infallible. Mormon church fathers claimed that their sermons were the same as holy scripture, and Mormon theology teaches the same.
So your response is a massive category error. House still fully intact…
It's hard to hear you are going to hell. But those words are what brought me to my knees and to salvation.
@jeffneedham5156we are saved only by God regenerating us from a heart of stone to flesh.
She literally asked them if they believe that she is going to hell....then criticized them for answering honestly.
That shows the difference between members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and sectarian Christians. Sectarians believe they are here to judge their fellow beings. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that all judgment is given to the Son, and we are not here to judge our fellow beings.
@@rbwinn3 you're just strawmaning Orthodox Christians. You are lumping them all into one category. By the way I think you need to rethink your concept of judging. Christ made a truth claim that he is the only way truth and life..... Not us. We did not make that truth claim. We just simply believe that his truth claim has merit.
@finray2
Calvinists are “Orthodox” Christians?
@@christianuniversalist absolutely, 1) Believe in the Trinity - 3 persons but 1 being 2) Man has a problem called sin nature 3) Christ is the son of God (part of the God head) and came to earth to die for the remission of sin 4) Christ rose from the grave 5) Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone and not by our own works.
She’s so sweeeett! I pray so hard that the true god touches her heart and frees her from her binds in this cult. I love her and she is so Christlike! And she is sooo CLOSE! She will be in my prayers!
I'm living with Mormon family currently while trying to get money together to move 600 miles away and I've been with them for several months but I've gone to their church off and on since the end of 2020. For a long time, prior to these Apologia videos really, my perspective was: Well, even if the religion isn't true (which I've never felt it was, beyond what New Testament reveals), at least I'm getting closer to Christ and staying focused on the Word by going to the church and some church functions. But these videos have helped me see how truly blasphemous and idolatrous the LDS faith is. Many times, they've asserted that I don't believe in God, despite my passionate disputation each time they've said such a thing. I've repeatedly said, "I believe in God, I have full faith in Christ, I just don't know that your prophet and book is true." But from now forward, I will reply that I just don't believe in their god. And I assume it should spark debate and inquiry. I have learned much about their beliefs and have read about half the Book of Mormon. So I've gotten the majority of the blueprints to their castle. I've infiltrated it. And these videos have armed me with the proper equipment to rescue all whom God has ordained to be saved, all to the glory of the one and true living God: the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. ❤
Wow.
This is amazing! I'm so happy for God's work in your life and that you dodged a bullet.
"Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers,
in word, in conversation,in charity, in spirit,in faith, in purity." - 1 timothy 4:12
This is heartbreaking to watch. I can see how close she is to finding the true Jesus. I can hear the pain in her voice when she's told she's on the path to hell. I hear the pain in your voices, pleading for her soul to join the fold. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I wish I could hug her, sit her down, & have a long discussion with her myself. I wish there was an update on her & her faith. All I can do is pray. Pray for her, pray for our LDS friends, & pray for others across the world to have their eyes, minds, & hearts open to our Savior.
@jeffneedham5156 I appreciate the prayers, but don’t be sad for me. I’m happy & blessed.
@@jeffneedham5156if you aren’t believe in the true Jesus but Joseph Smiths lies you will be condemned. I pray you believe in faith alone saving you.
Amen! She’s in my prayers, I still need my parents freed….
@K3mbusm
I will pray for you believing in the wrong Jesus. I hope you don’t go to hell.
@@christianuniversalist Oh? Who is the right Jesus?
They don’t know their religion because it is hidden from them, it is constantly being rebranded, it is very unclear, and they are taught not to think or ask questions. The main emphasis is the “truthfulness” of the church no matter what contradictory things its leaders do or say from one moment to the next.
This was awesome! Praise God!
I’ve watched a lot of street evangelism videos posted by Apologia, and I have to say, this was by far the best one. I plan on moving to Provo later this year and will be watching this encounter with Julia on repeat since I also help Mormons find a better hope in Christ alone communicated in a bold way.. As a (post-Mormon) Christian, I pray that she hears and follows through on what you guys shared and finds those answers in Biblical text. I thank God everyday for His righteousness.
🙏for Julia❤✝️
I went to high school to Bingham and I think I recognize that way!
Praying for Julia! Thanks guys
Ray Comfort is right, if you tell people they are going to hell without taking them through the law they will be offended. I'm always tempted to start with differences of doctrine, but it goes much better when I get them to admit their sin, then admit they are guilty and then admit they are going to hell. The law applied to the conscience then the gospel is powerful Gal. 3:24, Rom. 1:16.
Keep speaking the truth in love guys! God bless and prayers for Julia! ❤✝️
Definitely praying for Julia
I have a question for the Mormon , does Jesus Christ get His own planet , and does Joseph Smith get his own planet and if they do , when ?
I just want to take a minute and thank you for all of the good work you guys on this channel are doing. THE TRUTH will always be attacked. THE TRUTH will always be hated. It's been this way since the beginning of time, and it will continue to the end of time.
You guys are one of the greatest missionary forces we have right now. Your very attacks on the Prophet JosephSmith, the Book of mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are actually fulfilling prophecy and scripture. Jesus taught in the new Testament how to know a true prophet; Luke 6: 22-23, 26. Please read it for yourself.
Jesus said if a prophet is hated and attacked , this testifies that he speaks the truth and is a true prophet. Christ even said, "we should, "leap for joy, " because the very attacks on truth confirms its very truthfulness.
So, please, please, please continue to make more and more videos about our faith because the more you hate and attack, the more it testifies the truth. I would be very worried if there was never opposition to the prophet Joseph Smith, but that is not the case. There are multiple multiple youtube channels ( mormon Stories, utah apologia, mormon Discussion, apologia, etc.)dedicated and organized for the very purpose of destroying Joseph smith and the LDS church.
All of these anti mormon attacks do one thing for me, they make me "LEAP FOR JOY, " AND THEY ACTAUALLY BUILD UP MY TESTIMONY, and not destroy it.
Please keep up the great work because the more you attack my faith, the more it convinces me and testifies to me that it's true. Thank you, and god bless in all the great work you do
Amen
Yay, I just found this channel. I love seeing videos evangelizing Mormons. I've probably learned more from Apologia about Mormonism than I knew as a Mormon. Thanks so much for these videos. Praying for Julia.
It's sad how Christians care more about official LDS doctrine than a vast majority of Mormons. They attempt to portray vigilant Christians as nothing more than "crazy, obsessed, perpetual doubters."
Glad the Lord saved you, Taylor.
You are right it’s the savior that saves. Right!? Ok… as me members of what church??? Oh the church of….Jesus Christ are saved if they can apply and believe in Jesus. He died on the cross
With respect why do these Christian’s who think they need to save us always look like a hot mess? Is it to be less intimidating??
@@How.To.Get.Saved. I love your response to her.
@@darlenemartim9972 the name on your building means nothing, I put a Rolls Royce emblem on my Toyota, guess what. Joseph has led you after a false Christ. And I know gor a fact that mormons will lie about yalls teachings. With the lying yall must be ashamed of Joesphs teachings. How despicable.
@@darlenemartim9972 Hi, Darlene, please take this as coming from a place of caring. There's a quote by Gordon B Hinckley saying that Mormons believe in a different Jesus. I'll put the quote at the end of my comment.
In 2 Corinthians 11, Paul the apostle warns about believing in a different Jesus. Gordon B Hinckley admitted that Mormons believe in a different Jesus (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p.7.).
A different Jesus can't save you. I want for you to be truly saved
GORDON b HINCKLEY'S QUOTE ABOUT A DIFFERENT JESUS
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.’
‘No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'” (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, October 4, 1857:
Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? . . . Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? “What!-my husband to be my lord?”
I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291)
Concerning the question at 6:30.
Mind freaking blown
How do Apologia reconcile their interpretation of grace with Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25, 1 John 1:7?
Is five point inverted pentagram still found slc temple?
Yes
Pray for her!
Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857 carried out by LDS members. Let’s talk about it.
Why. Just to point on evil acts commited by people in their group? I dont see that doing any good.
When she said "I want to be comfortable in His presence" is actually very telling. She thinks a sinner who didn't "try everything they could do" will be uncomfortable because they are not like Jesus and this is where Mormons reveal that they have boasting in their works. Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be [d]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
You confronted her with her error. I would imagine living where she does it could have been the first time in her life anyone has. It shocked her and made her afraid. In that fear is hope. You rattled her little mormon cage. Her parting shots were full of false bravado. You definitely got to her. Definitely a Divine appointment. God bless you guys!
actually she confronted them with their error.
calvinists are not christians.
@@grayman7208 They did not deliver one error throughout their conversation.
@@nightshade99
false.
here are the facts.
apologetics studio are calvinists.
calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things,
and made all things exactly the way they are.
... thus god also created evil.
therefore since calvinists believe god created evil.
they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin.
calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god.
and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation.
since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ.
thus calvinists are not christians.
mormons do not believe god created evil.
mormons believe god gave every human free will.
mormons believe everyone can be saved,
because god sent jesus to take the sins of every human upon himself.
and therefor all humans who accepts christ's sacrifice can be saved.
mormons are more christian than calvinists.
@@nightshade99 false.
and let me tell you of some of YOUR errors.
first ... right off the bat.
trinity is false.
not a single time did god claim he was a trinity.
not a single time did jesus claim he was trinity.
not a single time did any apostle or prophet claim trinity.
the facts are this.
god told moses and
moses made it clear.
deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One."
and jesus confirmed it.
mark 12:29
Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.
even demons know that.
James 2:19
You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.
so any of YOU that believe in trinity, and preach trinity are going against god, and going against jesus.
you should be shuddering, just like the demons ... because YOU are preaching false doctrine.
@@grayman7208 Can you show me where they claimed those statements you proposed?
Mormons are deceived and follow a false Christ.
I will take my chances!
We are washed in the blood of the lamb
You guys are so bold to Gods glory I love watching you guys preach to the lost I pray my self and my family would be more involved with everything you all are doing praying for this woman and for all our church gb
Thank you for your faithfulness!!!!!!!
Without fail, my conversations with mormons end the same way this video did, and that is "guess we'll have to wait and see whos right" a.k.a., I dont care. I have a few Mormon friends. The message from them is clear when I bring up theology, and that unspoken message is: "Dude, I dont really care please stop". So after a few years, I shake the dust off my feet.
FORMAL DEBATE # 8 [Part 1 of 2] (Mormon Series): ALAN HIGHT (Born-again Christian) Vs. LINDA (Latter-day Saint)
Welcome Ladies and Gentleman! My opponent and I have come together to prove/debunk ONE of the 30 heresies of the LDS Church.
Linda has selected a numbered topic at random. The topic that was chosen:
# 29: MORMON FAITH + WORKS VIOLATES SCRIPTURE
I will first provide my Opening Statement (unlimited words) before my opponent counters with a rebuttal (unlimited words.) The comments will teeter back and forth until one doctrinal belief overwhelms the other as either proven true or false. The debate comments will be limited to ONE concise reply apiece (100 words max.) The debates usually last three days, but it could go on for weeks. Stay Tuned!
OPENING STATEMENT (ALAN): Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from God’s Word, they are not.
There are 30 such doctrines that violate Christianity, and I will discuss one in particular: the doctrine of Faith + Works
The faith vs. works debate often comes up in discussions of salvation. There are many who say that a person is saved based on some mixture of faith and works. Biblical Christianity teaches salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, apart from any works we do. Perhaps the best place to start is to clearly define faith and works:
What is faith? Hebrews 11:1 sets out the definition: “Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” Faith is that which assures us that our hope is reality, even though we cannot yet see it. If we have faith, we are convinced that what we believe is real, true, and reliable. The biblical object of faith is the person and work of Jesus Christ. True faith has always been the identifying mark of the people of God.
What are works? Works are a person’s actions or deeds. Work is that which we perform for some kind of reward. We work at our jobs and expect to receive a paycheck for it. Even working on a voluntary basis has its own reward-praise from others, a feeling of good will, etc. In the context of salvation, works refers to good deeds we do, especially religious or charitable acts or the observance of the Old Testament law.
In the faith vs. works debate, the two sides maintain that either we are saved by faith (and faith alone), or we are saved by works (or, more commonly, works added to faith). Which side is correct? What is the biblical relationship between faith and works?
• Works are required for salvation-but Scripture is clear that those works are Christ’s, not ours. Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). In fact, “the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross reconciled us to God (Romans 5:10), and as He died, Jesus proclaimed that the work was finished (John 19:30). Now we are invited to enter into God’s rest by faith: “Anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works” (Hebrews 4:10).
• Our works do nothing to earn or maintain salvation. It was the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ that justifies sinners (Romans 3:24). “Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, . . . because by the works of the law no one will be justified” (Galatians 2:16). We begin by faith, and we continue in faith: “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?” (Galatians 3:2-3).
• Salvation is by grace, which precludes works. Grace is, by definition, unearned, and Scripture makes it clear that God’s grace in salvation destroys the argument for human effort: “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).
• God’s requirement for salvation is faith in His Son. One of the grand themes of the Bible is that we are justified, or declared righteous, by faith (Genesis 15:6). Faith is the only means of making sinful human beings able to stand before a holy God. No amount of law-keeping or good works can accomplish it (Titus 3:5). If our works could save us, then Christ died for nothing (Galatians 2:21).
• Works are the product of faith. Those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). John the Baptist called for “fruit in keeping with repentance” (Matthew 3:8). The book of James emphasizes the nature of true saving faith as that which results in good works: “Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead” and “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead” (James 2:17, 26). Grace through faith saves, and that faith is manifest in works. If someone claims to have faith yet exhibits no good works, his or her faith is “dead,” or nonexistent.
Doesn't she want to become better prepared herself?
I remember telling amissionary that I was a slave of Jesus and the Morman missionary retorted that one should not be a slave to anyone.
We need to remember that this heart/life is not yours or mine it is one of two whom has got,. but which one?
According to who? Who says your truth is right and our truth is wrong?
I would love to have a podcast with you guys "Apologia Utah" how can we get in contact? Anyway I love what you guys are doing however telling Julia that she is going to hell was uncalled for. We do not have the right to condemn anyone that is the Father's job NOT OURS! Also hell technically is not where anyone goes in the end, hell is the grave, there are about 9 different words for hell such as Sheol, Place of death, The Underworld, The Deep, Bottomless pit, Abyss. Lets talk and connect, my email is on my about tab love you brothers for what you do.
it's right to call out false teachings and calling out a false gospel and false prophet
🔥🔥🔥 yessss keep doing the work of an evangelist
Amazing video guys! You guys are extremely well spoken, loving and patient. Much respect to her for staying and listening. You guys definitely gave her something to think about. Hopefully the true Jesus softens her heart and the truth will be revealed. It’s so hard to stop believing those false teachings once you learn them. Let’s all pray for her and Mormons as a whole!
*_Hopefully the true Jesus softens her heart and the truth will be revealed. It’s so hard to stop believing those false teachings once you learn them. Let’s all pray for her and Mormons as a whole!_*
Yes, it can be hard to stop believing false teachings. We LDS pray for all, including non-LDS Christians.
Great stuff Andrew, praise God!
Keep doing! Mormon and JW need the real Jesus
Keep laboring for the kingdom of God. May the Lord bless you all! All glory goes to God alone!!
18:34 the message of the gospel
She is the one that asked you all if you think she is going to hell. You all didn’t bring that up. She did then gets turned off because you gave an honest biblical answer. You all would not be out there if you didn’t realize people will go to hell outside of Christ. The thing is they believe people have a chance after death which is a doctrine straight from the mouth of Satan. God bless you both for being out there and loving your neighbors. It truly saddens me when I see someone so close but yet so far away and especially when they shut off at very key points of the conversations. Mormons don’t take Hell as seriously as Biblical Christians do. Maybe it’s because they don’t feel they deserve it. Them not understanding that they deserve Hell and ought to go to Hell for theirs sins against a just thrice Holy God they will never have the humility Christ called for. Self righteousness is a killer, idolatry is a killer, no fear of God is a killer. I’m praying for this girl. Bless you all for being out there.
Frls even their Book of Mormon says they won’t get a second chance
That’s because your idea of the hell is laughable. Only a demonic God would create a world and people only to predetermine who is going to hell and who is going to be saved. If this were true, there would be no purpose to mortal life. It’s an absolutely asinine belief. You think modern day prophets are sacrilegious. The totally bizarre God you believe in is sacrilegious.
Amen brothers, y’all keep doing what your doing, god is with y’all.
That was so good but also so painful. Good job being loving and yet solid about what the Bible says and about truth, even when she got really uncomfortable about it.
Mormonism is a nickname. The correct name of the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of which I also am a member. I come from a long line of protestantism (Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran). Greatfully many of my grandparents were prepared and gathered to this church. I'm grateful to leave the man made doctrines of sola scriptura and trinity to realize the truths of the ongoing restoration. Thousands of years ago the Lord prepared to have the Book of Mormon begin it's story to be placed on gold plates and restored in these last days through the prophet Joseph Smith. How grateful I am to have prophets and apostles and priesthood authority and the gift of the Holy Ghost that allows me to receive revelation. I invite you to open your hearts and come and experience these things as well that you might rejoice.
I am a non practising Mormon priest I left the church along time ago because I found the real jesus Joseph smith and the book of Mormon are false I pray that you find the real jesus aswell and be saved from the LDS church
You are very lost and I pray you find the real Jesus soon
@@ke6264 if feeling the power of God, feeling his love, feeling closer to Jesus, and experiencing the joy of the Holy Spirit is "being lost" then I hope to remain in this state the rest of my life. Ive never experienced anything as remarkable and wonderful as what ive found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Come and see with an open heart.
Great conversation. Praying for Julia.
Sadly LDS members would rather reject scripture than reject Joseph smith or their prophets teachings
We don’t reject scripture. Just certain interpretations of it.
@@lindalds I agree if with rejection misinterpretation of scripture . However I have experienced that no matter how clear & in context a scripture is , if it contradicts LDS belief them the go to argument oh I don’t believe that interpretation. But never given the proper interpretation of the scripture , just say it’s a wrong interpretation.
@@godtalk9645 if you give me a scripture verse, and how you interpret it, I'll give my interpretation.
@@lindafiatoa3203 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
@@godtalk9645 Since baptism is required for exaltation, those who died without baptism were baptized vicariously. Paul was talking with those who did not believe in the resurrection. He asks them, wny do they do this if there's no resurrection?
This is like one saying Santa Claus put Rudolph in charge. And someone else arguing that Rudolph never really had a shiny nose so couldn’t have led the slay. It’s all made up together.
So let’s all pretend, via a pseudo-science, that once upon a time something exploded and then by random happenstance and dumb luck somehow everything we see came into existence, aka the big bang theory, and by random happenstance and dump luck a fish mutated into a human, aka, evolution.
The greatest difference between members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and secular Christians is that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that all judgment is given to the Son of God, whereas secular Christians believe they are here to judge their fellow beings.
This “LIKE” pandemic MUST END!!!
"LIKE" FOR REAL LOL
I don't understand this idea of a created Jesus since Mormonism teaching is that everyone has eternally existed.
Respectfully, nowhere in the Bible do you see men nor Jesus existing eternally as "intelligences."
Jesus has eternally existed as the divine Son of God.
@@apologiautah Intelligence is the glory of God (Father, Son, Holy Ghost). So are you saying that Jesus is not coeternal with the Father? Please explain?
@@stevenhenderson9005 That is only one of the definitions of "intelligence" in Mormon doctrine (see below). Once again, as you see in the references (below) this idea is foreign to the Holy Scriptures and therefore must be rejected since they are not the Words of God.
Of course the biblical Jesus Christ is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and Spirit.
You know who are not? Humans? Genesis 1,2 as well as Isaiah 45:12 make it clear humans didn't constitute being until their existence upon the earth. "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."
From churchofjesuschrist . org:
"Intelligence has several meanings, three of which are: (1) It is the light of truth that gives life and light to all things in the universe. It has always existed. (2) The word intelligences may also refer to spirit children of God. (3) The scriptures also may speak of intelligence as referring to the spirit element that existed before we were begotten as spirit children.
Intelligence cleaveth unto intelligence, D&C 88:40.
Intelligence was not created or made, D&C 93:29.
All intelligence is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, D&C 93:30.
The glory of God is intelligence, D&C 93:36-37.
Intelligence acquired in this life rises with us in the resurrection, D&C 130:18-19.
The Lord rules over all the intelligences, Abr. 3:21.
The Lord showed Abraham the intelligences that were organized before the world was, Abr. 3:22."
@@apologiautah 1 Corinthians 1:18-19 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
Genesis 3:6
And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a pleasure for the eyes, and the tree was to be desired to give intelligence; and she took of its fruit, and ate, and gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Exodus 31:3
I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom and skill, in understanding and intelligence, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship,
Exodus 35:31
and He has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom and skill, with intelligence and understanding, and with knowledge in all [areas of] craftsmanship,
Job 12:3
“But I have intelligence as well as you;I am not inferior to you.And who does not know such things as these?
Job 12:24
“He deprives of intelligence the chiefs of the earth’s peopleAnd makes them wander in a pathless waste.
Job 32:8
“But there is [a vital force and] a spirit [of intelligence] in man,And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.
Job 39:26
Doth the hawk fly by thine intelligence, and stretch his wings toward the south.
Proverbs 1:2
For knowing wisdom and instruction, For understanding sayings of intelligence,
Proverbs 2:3
For, if for intelligence thou callest, For understanding givest forth thy voice,
Proverbs 3:5
Confide in Jehovah with all thy heart, and lean not unto thine own intelligence.
Proverbs 4:1
Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know intelligence;
Proverbs 4:5
Get wisdom, get intelligence: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
Proverbs 4:7
The beginning of wisdom is, Get wisdom; and with all thy getting get intelligence.
Proverbs 8:14
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am intelligence; I have strength.
Proverbs 9:6
Forsake follies and live, and go in the way of intelligence.
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the Holy is intelligence.
Proverbs 11:12
He who lacks {sense} belittles his neighbor, but a person of intelligence will remain silent.
Proverbs 15:21
Folly is joy to one lacking heart, And a man of intelligence directeth his going.
Proverbs 30:2
Truly I am more stupid than any one; and I have not a man's intelligence.
Isaiah 1:3
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; Israel doth not know, my people hath no intelligence.
Isaiah 27:11
When its branches are withered they shall be broken off; women shall come and set them on fire. For it is a people of no intelligence; therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he who formed them will shew them no favour.
Isaiah 40:14
With whom took he counsel, and who gave him intelligence, and instructed him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed him the way of understanding?
Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have no intelligence; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Daniel 1:17
As for these four youths, God gave them knowledge and intelligence in every branch of literature and wisdom; Daniel even understood all kinds of visions and dreams.
Daniel 5:11
There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the days of your predecessor he was found to have insight, intelligence, and wisdom like the wisdom of the gods. Your predecessor, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the diviners, mediums, Chaldeans, and astrologers. Your own predecessor, the king,
Daniel 5:14
I’ve heard that you have the spirit of the gods in you, and that you have insight, intelligence, and extraordinary wisdom.
Matthew 15:16
But he said, Are ye also still without intelligence?
Mark 12:33
and to love him with all the heart, and with all the intelligence, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbour as one's self, is more than all the burnt-offerings and sacrifices.
Luke 2:47
All who heard him were amazed at his intelligence and his answers.
Luke 11:40
You foolish ones [acting without reflection or intelligence]! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also?
Acts 6:10
But they were not able to successfully withstand and cope with the wisdom and the intelligence [and the power and inspiration] of the Spirit by whom he was speaking.
Acts 13:7
who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will reject."
1 Corinthians 4:10
We, for Christ's sake, are labeled as "foolish"; you, as Christians, are men of shrewd intelligence. We are mere weaklings: you are strong. You are in high repute: we are outcasts.
Ephesians 1:8
which he has caused to abound towards us in all wisdom and intelligence,
Philippians 1:9
And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in full knowledge and all intelligence,
Titus 3:3
For we were once ourselves also without intelligence, disobedient, wandering in error, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
@@apologiautah May point that I was making was about the fact that in Mormonism I do not see a created Jesus. We can debate all day on whether or not there was a pre-existace. The teachings that come out of King Follett discourse has been rejected by the mormon church as well as the teachings that people can ever become God's with their own planet and spirit offspring. See LDS website essay titled "Becoming like God"
I am not debating on Mormonism teachings being correct or accurate, because that has already been proven multiple times. However I will debate the fact that I still believe most Mormons are saved because they believe in salvation through the Blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that it is only the Grace (Free Gift) that salvation from the outer darkness of Hell comes.
Most Christians get confused when Mormons say "saved" or "salvation" because they are talking about being saved from losing their Inheritance (Crowns) at the Judement Seat of Christ based on what the do (works)
It doesn't matter what they call it or how they think it works. If they believe they are saved by the grace of Christ then they are saved.
The question you have to ask them is : "How do you recive salvation from Outer Darkness?"
The whole worship of a different Jesus is up for debate.
Can this “like” epidemic be over any sooner?
Praise God for that young man sharing the gospel so boldly. So much nonsense in my life I could have avoided had I known what I know now at his age.
The word, hell, is not in the Bible at all! That is, it is not in the original Hebrew and Greek texts. Not one of the men who wrote the 66 books of the Bible ever used the word, hell, or any other word that means what hell means. The word, Hell, has been added to our Bibles over the years by various translators!
Gehenna and Hades
You are correct. The Hebrew interpretation of “shoel” was the underworld, or where people went when they died.
Sheol-hades is where people go when they die in there sin and the lake of fire is hell which is only recorded in revelations where death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire once jesus come back.
@@mr400meterYes, and Shoel...the lake of fire.
Well done brothers. Great convo.
Hey, has Jeff Durbins Green book! A tell tale sign that someone has zero good faith arguments.
Dang bro, that was intense
Give that little kid a break! You can evangelize but you don't need to take your children with you
Her final parting shots were no match for a well prepared SUPER SLEUTH!
1John 5:7-8 There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are "one". And there are three that bear witness in earth, the water, the blood, and the spirit, and these three agree in "one".
What a lie that Apologia care about her. They just want to tear down her faith and badger her into accepting their faith. They love her like an eagle loves a rabbit.
Bingo. To her Jesus is just an example, not her essential Savior.
The "Trinity" was formed from the Catholic theology (not Evangelicals) - who just "adopted" this idea. (So how can they say they (Evangelicals) say they are right, instead of the Catholics)? So if the trinity is "wrong" then both sects are misled / wrong. (If truth like these people say, matters).
If you have a "different Jesus", then give me a good reason why I should accept that you are right and I am wrong?
@@dirkfirkle73 no he didn’t
@@dirkfirkle73that was not a prophecy. It was a command to the members of the church to build a temple.
Think about it: how can anyone prophesy about something being done, when it needs to be done by the members?
“A temple will be built…”
Members sit and wait for temple to get built.
Wait…
What?
@@dirkfirkle73 What prophecy?
D&C 130:14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.
@@dirkfirkle73 That last answer, that was mine. Google somehow switched accounts on me.
@@dirkfirkle73 *_for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182)._*
History of the Church is not always accurate. IT's usually a case of he said that he said t hat he said.
Like I said, the OFFICIAL version is from the Docrine & Covenants
D&C 130:14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.
*_Prophecy # 2 - David W. Patten to go on a mission._*
Nope, wrong again. This was not a prophecy that he would go on a mission. It was a command that he prepare to go on a mission.
*_Prophecy # 3 - The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years...Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843_*
I suppose you can count the Civil War as the government being "overthrown". It's certainly not been the same as it was before the war.
*_Prophecy # 4 - Congress to be broken up as a government._*
See #3 above
Also, as to #3 and 4, again, history of the Church and other such publications is not always accurate.
*_No treasure was ever discovered, nor did Salem ever fell into the hands of the Mormons._*
Not yet, anyway.
*_Prophecy #6 - Pestilence, Hail, Famine & Earthquake to Destroy the Wicked...Such a widespread destruction of the wicked of that generation never occurred_*
Not yet.
*_Prophecy # 7 - Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri. This prophecy comes directly from Doctrine & Covenants Section 84, the introduction of which states: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio_*
ACtually, the wording of said "Prophecy" could conceivably mean the temple at Kirtland, not Missouri. See where it says
3. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.
4. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, *_beginning at this place,_* even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.
5. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.
Beginning at THIS PLACE. Since this revelation was given at Kirtland, it could very well mean the Kirtland temple.
But, even if He was talking about the Missouri temple, that would not have been a prophecy, but a command. Which is confirmed by
D&C 124:49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their adiligence, and their enemies come upon them and bhinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to crequire that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings...
51 Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a ahouse unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God.
Apologia are preaching the gospel of Paul again and not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They criticise 2 Nephi 25:23 again claiming it is non biblical but it makes basically the same point that 1 John 1:7 makes.
This was such an amazing encounter. I wouldn't be discouraged by her response at the end about not telling people they're going to hell. I was Mormon and I was told I was going to hell by street ministers, and I gave them the same lecture about how they won't reach anyone by talking about hell. Ten years later, here I am, a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nobody is going to hell in the sense we believe it today. Hell is not even in the greek or Hebrew Bible. It’s a social construct created well after the Bible.
The serpent never lied in telling Eve she would be as the gods by eating the fruit Genesis 3:5 which is confirmed by God in Genesis 3:22. The only lie was that she wouldn’t die.
Very surprised she felt comfortable talking about temple ceremonies openly
The faith vs. works debate, then, is really no debate at all. Both faith and works are integral parts of the Christian life. Biblically, faith is the cause of salvation, while works are the evidence of it.
FORMAL DEBATE # 8 [Part 2 of 2] (Mormon Series:) ALAN HIGHT (Born-again Christian) Vs. LINDA (Latter-day Saint)
One of the many areas in which Mormons fall short of saving faith is their belief that God is merely an exalted man who earned his position by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). This directly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed in His position as God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15-16; Psalm 102:24-27).
God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9) and is the holy and powerful Creator of all things (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). Mormons also believe that they themselves can attain the status of gods in the afterlife through their works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-354). However, no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22), despite what the serpent told Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:5).
Those who follow the Mormon faith also believe that they can attain heaven through works (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42-43; 2 Nephi 9:23-24; Alma 34:30-35; Articles of Faith, p.92). While they claim faith in Christ, they also rely on following the commandments of the Mormon Church (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p 188; Mormon Doctrine, p. 670) and practicing good works (2 Nephi 25:23; Alma 11:37) in order to achieve salvation. The Bible is very clear on this point, stating that good works can never earn the way to heaven (Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5) and that faith in Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation (John 10:9; 11:25; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Salvation by grace is incompatible with salvation by human works (Romans 11:6).
This destroys the 2 Nephi 25:23 verse: “For we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do”
Many passages of the Bible teach that salvation is through faith alone, not faith plus works. Ephesians 2:8-9, for example, is clearly worded and unequivocal: “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” Of great importance is the word grace, which refers to God’s blessings on the undeserving. The very idea of grace negates all attempts to earn salvation. Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel: “Since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is-free and undeserved” (Romans 11:6, NLT).
There are a few Bible passages that, at first glance, seem to teach salvation through faith plus works. One such is James 2:24, which appears to say that justification is by faith plus works: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” This apparent problem is solved by examining the whole of James’ argument in his epistle. James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works (see James 2:17-18). Genuine faith in Christ, James says, will produce a changed life and result in good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his or her life. The works are an outward show of genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26)-and it’s that outward show that “justifies” the believer in the sight of other people.
Paul says those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). To return to Ephesians 2, immediately after teaching that we are saved through faith, not through works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul says that we were created “to do good works” (Ephesians 2:10). Salvation comes by God’s grace through faith, and that faith is made manifest in good works. The works follow the faith and are a proof of it.
If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, we must qualify whose works. We are not saved by our own works, however meritorious they are in our own eyes. We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12).
Other passages that clearly teach salvation through faith alone include Acts 16:31; Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9.
Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). Receiving salvation is not done by works but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.
Ultimately, the Mormon false religion should be rejected outright by true Christians of God.
OK, just to be clear, I'm not here to debate on who's right and who's wrong. This debate is not going to change either one of us to the other's way of believing. For one thing, I was seriously brought up to believe as Alan Hight believes. But it just didn't feel right. God showed me where He wanted me to go.
*_Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.”_*
CAN be defined, but not everyone defines it the same. That's definately not the Webster's definition of "cult".
*_but because they reject foundational truths from God’s Word, they are not._*
What we reject is your interpretation of God's word. I assume you are going to cover what those foundational truths are, that we reject.
*_Work is that which we perform for some kind of reward._*
For us, work is what we believe the Lord Jesus Christ wants us to do, in order to become perfect, or complete, as our Father in Heaven is perfect, or complete.
*_the two sides maintain that either we are saved by faith (and faith alone), or we are saved by works (or, more commonly, works added to faith). Which side is correct?_*
Let's add a third, Faith, AND Works. Faith alone gets us no where, and works alone gets us no where.
Works done because of our faith in Jesus Christ and the Laws and Ordinances of THE GOSPEL (not the Laws of Moses).
IOW, we don't do works to get brownie points with God. We do works for OUR benefit, the benefit of our brothers and sisters and all mankind, and to praise God. Matthew 5:16
Also, the definition of "salvation" is a little different. To you, salvation is the end of the Journey. To us, Salvation is the end of one part of our journey (mortal life) and the beginning of another part (exaltation). Now, I know you don't believe in those, but that's what we believe. And I find nothing in the Bible that contradicts that at all.
*_“Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law,_*
Paul is speaking of the Law of Moses. We are not.
*_Those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus _**_2:14_**_)_*
However, one must do the will of the Father and the Son, not just go out on their own. Matthew 7:21-23
@@lindalds [Reminder, only 100 word responses. Repeating opponent's words will not count towards word total]
YOU: OK, just to be clear, I'm not....showed me where He wanted me to go.
ME: God shows you where to go through scripture; if you do not follow His word, you are following men's law.
YOU: For us, work is what we believe... or complete.
ME: I know that, and scripture points out your error in believing you must do ANY work to justify yourself. You are outright ignoring Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH. And this is NOT YOUR OWN DOING; it is the gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast.
Plain as day!
YOU: Works done because of our faith in Jesus Christ and the Laws and Ordinances of THE GOSPEL (not the Laws of Moses).
ME: If you add works, you must fulfill 100% of the law and diminish the death of Jesus Christ.
(100 words)
@@nightshade99 *_God shows you where to go through scripture; if you do not follow His word, you are following men's law._*
God has shown me. That's all that matters. No one can tell me it's not true. Because I know it is.
*_scripture points out your error in believing you must do ANY work to justify yourself_*
As I said, we do what we do because we believe that this is what GOD is telling us. HOW He tells us is not important; what's important is that HE tells us what we should do. IT's not to justify ourselves.
Besides, if God tells me to do something, I'm gonna do it. There is nothing in the Bible that says "You don't have to do what God says to do".
God: I need you to do this.
Me: Well, God, the Bible says I don't have to.
(side note: I sometimes think that there will be people standing at the feet of God, and He is telling them some home truths, and they are saying
"But, God, That's not what the Bible Says!!"
_*it is the gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast.
Plain as day!*_
I honestly don't think you are even reading what I'm saying.
*_f you add works, you must fulfill 100% of the law and diminish the death of Jesus Christ._*
AGAIN, that is for the Law of MOSES! NOT what Christ wants us to do.
@@lindalds CAUTION: You are in violation of the debate by overusing your word count (172).
Trim it down to regulation before we continue (or take Strike 1). You have to pay attention to what you are doing, Linda.
@@lindalds No, MEN showed you. God would never contradict His word revealed to His children.
Everything that you have spoken about defies Scripture. There is a reason there are warnings in the Bible about false prophets and religions.
That is pure fantasy. God does not talk to you. How do I know? God does not contradict Himself.
You TEST all spirits. Not everyone talking to you is God. If is contradicts scripture, it is demonic.
I analyze everything. You are acting as if God is justifying Mormonism, when he actually condemns it.
Tell me, in your mind, what does Christ want us to do?
What a great conversation. I will be praying for her. I still get so confused when Mormons claim they believe in salvation by grace. The third article of faith states otherwise.
Were are all saved by grace, after we put for effort. Just as the Bible teaches. One cannot simply profess faith. One must live a life that produces the fruits of faith. Otherwise, our entire existence would be meaningless. It’s a very simple concept, really. And don’t reply with the “lest any man should boast” bull crap.
@@Kapayapaanman Thats literally what the Bible says. Also How many works of faith do I have to do to be saved? Give me an exact number. How frequent? So does Jesus save me, or does my effort and works? Who is the savior? Am I saving myself with Jesus stickered on, or is the GREAT I AM saving me from my sins, and I do works and produce fruit as a result of my salvation?
@@Kapayapaanman Sounds like an attempt to refer to James 2: 14-26. If so, James never refers to the quality of the works but the quality of faith. I love how the passage is summed up in verse 26, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” Because in the same way the vital signs of life are not the cause of life but the result of it. Only God can give us physical life by putting our spirit in our body. A dead person is unresponsive, in and of themselves because they cannot make themselves alive. Likewise, insincere faith produces no vital signs and is also dead. Only God makes our faith alive, a faith that produces outward fruits OF GOD’S Spirit. It is NOT of ourselves. The biblical text is clear on that point. God‘s Holy Spirit indwells with the people who genuinely believe in the sufficiency of Christ alone and are provided a faith made alive in and through Him.
@@loelholmes-ficko8868 “if you love me, keep my commandments.” Is that a good enough number? Straight from Jesus’ mouth.
How could one profess faith or to love Jesus and not try to keep his commandments? By your logic, one could profess faith and live a life of sin, and be saved. Jesus is the ultimate saving grace, however, the least he asks for is our righteousness. It’s a combination of faith and works, just as the Bible teaches.
@@found-in-him yes, the ultimate power to save is through god and Christ’s atonement. However, the entire purpose of life is to develop faith. One cannot simply claim, “I am saved because I believe.” This is why Jesus said there are many who draw near me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. “If ye love me keep my commandments.”
Maybe the scripture should say “love without works is dead. Faith without love is also dead.”
There would be no purpose to the commandments or life on earth if all we needed was faith. If that were the case why would god create a world full of people that never even knew of him in the way that you do? So does God hate good people that where taught a different faith tradition than you? That is absurd if you believe in a loving God.
Also there’s revelations 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Apologia are trying to get this young lady to deny the witness of the Holy Ghost that she has been given from God by telling her she must accept their interpretation of the Bible instead. But the Bible itself says; Luke 24:32, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:13, Acts 1:2, Acts 5:32, 1 Corinthians 2:10-14, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Peter 1:20,21. 1 John 5:6.
Some of these people, just can't leave THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS alone. Their problem is, the lack of knowledge.
*It is Mormons who claim their church is the one true church* and all Christians Churches are wrong and an abomination. Mormons claim everyone needs to join their church, pay them 10% of your total income, get a Temple Recommend from a Mormon bishop so you may participate in a Temple Endowment Rituals, perform baptism of the dead rituals, which includes, giving Masonic type handshakes, saying secret passwords, wearing underwear with sewn in Masonic symbols, and do much more. All so you possibly, maybe, perhaps, have eternal life becoming a Mormon polygamist exalted man god or his goddess wife.
Where as the Bible and Christian message is to have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ only and not through any church.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
“For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23)
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9)
Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Don't leave out the Way, Jesus is the Way - Revelation 3: 21. Jesus never lies, and the standard, the only logical standard for a Holy God, that He gave upon the mount is "Be ye therefore perfect, as YOUR Father which is in heaven is perfect." If you preach another gospel than the one Jesus preached in the flesh, then you are denying Jesus in the flesh.
My husband is given the priviledge of calling me forth. It's Jesus Christ who does it. If my husband refuses, HE is the one who is not going to be exalted. And if he's not worthy, he won't be able to call me.
Where is that in Scripture?
@@nightshade99 there are a lot of things that some Christians believe that I don’t find in the Bible.
@@lindalds Such as?
You are not a Christisn if you contradict God's revealed word.
@@nightshade99 I'm only contradicting your interpretation of God's word, or what you believe is God's ONLY words.
@@lindalds Nothing I have stated can be contradicted by scripturally-sound people. Your belief system is that of MEN, and it is leading you to destruction.
It all boils down to who Jesus is! They claim Jesus is the brother of satan! That’s a false Jesus. And then they say God has a wife or wives! Again. That’s not God!
Great conversation but the only part I disagree with is when you basically told her God hated her! That's just not true! He loves her like he loves us all! He hates her sin, not her! He prayed father forgive them for the ones crucifying him, they didn't ask for it!
“The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.”
Psalms 5:5 NASB1995
Yes, God does in fact hate sinners.
Apologia are misusing Isaiah 43:10 again which is about Jehovah saying he is the only God to the Israelites who are worshipping idols. He doesn’t mean he is the only god ever in existence as the Bible is quite clear that there are other gods in existence and that men can become gods; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36, Matthew 5:48, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6. 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21. Apologia often misuse Isaiah 42:8 too saying that God will never share his glory with anyone but again the Bible overturns this universal interpretation of scripture with other scripture, in this case; John 17:22.
This Apologia street preacher says he used to be Mormon. It’s a shame that he exchanged the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the idle man’s gospel of Paul and the false teachings of Apologia.
Jesus spoke more about hell than anybody?
You’re confusing references to the Vale of Hinnom with a romanticized idea of eternal torment.
Apologia say to this follower of Christ that just because she does good deeds it doesn’t make her a righteous person. The Bible says 1 John 3:7. I hope she isn’t deceived by believing Apologia.
Apologia would have this young lady follow after another god that doesn’t require baptism in order to save souls. The God of the Bible said Mark 16:16, John 3:5. Joseph Smith encouraged people to always follow the God of the Bible.
Very bad, ugly people harassing this woman.
She walked up to them...
John ch 14 verses 8 and 9 Jesus christ is God the father
I disagree with the Protestants in this video telling this woman that she is going to hell. Only God can judge her.
To have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ of the Bible only and not through any church or ritual, that includes the LDS Church, aka. the Mormon Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses Church (Kingdom Hall), Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, Protestant Church, Methodist Church, The Pentecostal Church, Baptist Churches, Russian Orthodox Church, Easter Orthodox, Jewish synagog or temple, Islam, etc.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Jesus said, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
“For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23)
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9)
Jesus said, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)
Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
@@kjvjay what are you doing here with your copy and paste response? You’re not clear? I know the scripture. My ancestors wrote the Bible in Greek and Aramaic. Yours wrote it in Latin then English which is misinterpreted. What I said was what the Bible says: do not judge others.
Isaiah is saying that the only God that the Hebrews should worship is Him, and not all the other gods that others worship, like Baal or Chemosh.
Everyone in the world is a son or daughter of Adam he isn’t our brother
The crying little boy should be attended to by the man who isn't taking much on the right. It's a bad example. Hopefully you guys will change this next time. Be a good soulwinning partner take care of crying children.
She’s still learning those false teachings. SAD.
Your whole concept of what you believe the Bible says is false. It is in no way inerrant nor infallible.
“Learn Heaven” comes from Brad Wilcox. Recognized that phrase from a mile away. Brad unfortunately had had to struggle with 2 Nephi 25:23 and deny the Bible Dictionary definition of Grace in the quad. It really is chameleon skin on the Mormon religion, and I am glad Andrew was digging up the skeleton that actually is historically accurate.
Or, it’s dogmatic gymnastics on your part. Which, based on what the Bible and Jesus taught, you are incorrect in your supposition.
Here are the two verses after 23.
24 And, notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we keep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled.
25 For, for this end was the law given; wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ because of our faith; *yet we keep the law because of the commandments*.
Christ gave laws and commandments. There weren’t suggestions, at least not in the LDS belief.
What does revaluation 20:12 mean?
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: *and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.*
@@Kapayapaanman what books were open the Bible cuz the Bible is a binding of books the Hebrew Israelites back in the days of Moses they were writing letters they weren't writing no books they were writing on scrolls, And Mormons do not follow the law statutes and commandments of God, they simply do not keep Sabbath day according to the Bible is Saturday ,Add according to the Bible Jesus did not die on Friday you can't read that nowhere in the Bible, another belief that the Mormons have is that they came from Heaven that's the biggest lie ever been told because Jesus who is God almighty said in John chapter 3 verse 13 no man has ever been to heaven except the one that came down which is himself so the Mormon lied on that and another line that the Mormons teach that Joseph Smith restored the Church that's another lie the church was Israel the 12 tribes the people that God scattered that's the church so Joseph Smith lied again and it's many more lies that he told but you need a whole book
@@james8996 ok, that was totally convincing….
@@Kapayapaanman GOD tells us that his people sinned Against him That's why he Had them removed, The Church was taken into Captivity it's written in the bible
Well it saved me
Joseph Smith taught his followers, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”*
Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon.
Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States.
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*Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.*
God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10)
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The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications;
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS;
History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17;
Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints
My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints
This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited.
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
*Here is part of the Mormon so-called restored gospel, described in the own official Mormon Church, (LDS Church) publication.* You may see for yourself what Mormons require you must do the to have eternal life, to maybe, perhaps, might, possibly become a Mormon polygamist exalted man god, or a goddess wife to your Mormon polygamist exalted man god husband.
At the end is this declaration, “THIS IS THE WAY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER BECAME GOD.”
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"Gospel Principles," Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints
Salt Lake City, Utah, 1997 Edition
Unit Ten, Life after Death - Chapter 47, Exaltation, Page 30
*”What Is Exaltation?”*
*“EXALTATION IS ETERNAL LIFE,* the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.” “If we prove faithful to the Lord, we will live in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom of heaven. We will become exalted, just like our Heavenly Father. Exaltation is the greatest gift that Heavenly Father can give his children (see D&C 14:7).”
*Blessings of Exaltation*
Our Heavenly Father is perfect. However, he is not jealous of his wisdom and perfection. He glories in the fact that it is possible for his children to become like him. He has said, "This is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39). Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, "All things are theirs" (D&C 76:59).
These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:
1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and
Jesus Christ (see D&C 76).
*2. THEY WILL BECOME GODS.*
3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family.
4. They will receive a fulness of joy.
5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have--all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge. President Joseph Fielding Smith [10th Mormon prophet] wrote: "The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to his commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them" (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2 of 3, page 36).
*”Requirements for Exaltation”*
“The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32-34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, "In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and understanding of the truth; and 'live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God' " (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2 of 3 ,page 43).”
To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey his commandments. He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:
1. We must be baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ.
2. We must receive the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
3. We must receive the temple endowment.
4. We must be married for time and eternity.
In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to--
1. Love and worship God.
2. Love our neighbor.
3. Repent of our wrongdoings.
[See Ch.19 about the seven steps required for repentance.]
4. Live the law of chastity.
5. Pay honest tithes and offerings.
[Meaning 10% of your gross, i.e., total income. “Gospel Principles," Ch. 32]
6. Be honest in our dealings with others and with the Lord.
7. Speak the truth always.
*8. Obey the Word of Wisdom.*
[Meaning no tea or coffee, in that they contain caffeine, and no alcohol or tobacco]
9. Search out our kindred dead and perform the saving ordinances of the gospel for them. [Meaning they go into one of their temples, put their temple garments, and perform baptism for the dead]
10. Keep the Sabbath day holy.
11. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.
12. Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.
13. Have family and individual prayers every day.
14. Honor our parents.
15. Teach the gospel to others by word and example.
16. Study the scriptures.
17. Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.
18. Develop true charity in our lives. [1995 Edition, deleted in the 1997 Edition]
Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow his direction in our individual lives.
(1995 Edition included this sentence, deleted in the 1997 Edition)
*In other words, each person must endure in faithfulness, keeping all the Lord’s commandments until the end of his life on earth.*
*”Requirement Number 3 above, the requirement of Repentance.”*
In addition to the above requirements for so-called “Exaltation,” there is a chapter on the seven steps of repentance, what each step mean, and what is required for each step. Included are quotes from Mormon so-called prophets and Mormon so-called apostles, to backup their claim that this is all necessary.
“Gospel Principles,” 1997 Ed., Chapter 19, entitled “Repentance.”
*“THIS IS THE WAY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER BECAME GOD.* Joseph Smith taught: ‘It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.’ (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)”
"Gospel Principles," Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints
Salt Lake City, Utah, 1997 Edition
Unit Ten, Life after Death - Chapter 47, Exaltation, Page 305
*Mormon, have you done all you can do to be exalted. Do you have your certificate, your passport from Joseph Smith?*
”No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF JOSEPH SMITH...every man and woman must have the CERTIFICATE OF JOSEPH SMITH, junior, as A PASSPORT entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are.”
This nonsense was part of Brigham Young’s, 2nd Mormon false prophet, Sunday Service message to the self proclaimed latter-day saints, in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 7 of 26, p 289)
Brigham Young is highly revered and studied by Mormons; so highly respected is Young that Mormons named a university in Utah after him, BYU.
And that is not doctrine
But Joseph smith did restore the church
@@peterkennedy8011 Joseph Smith taught his followers, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”*
Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon.
Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States.
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*Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.*
God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10)
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The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications;
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS;
History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17;
Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints
My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints
This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited.
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
"The Jesus" of Joseph Smith IS "the Jesus" of the Bible.
Not even close
@@nightshade99 He's just not "the Jesus" of your interpretation of the Bible.
@@lindalds Correct! There is only ONE true Jesus, and it is the biblical one. Any saint guided by the Holy Spirit can plainly see that
@@nightshade99 And the ONE true Jesus is the one I worship. The Biblical one.
@@lindalds No, the Mormon Jesus is not the true Jesus. You are in violation of John 1
Those who believe in immortality for all from birth must reinterpret the Bible to say:
1. Those who are destroyed are not destroyed. (James 4:12; 2 Peter 2:12; 2 Peter 3:7)
2. Those who perish do not perish. (1 Corinthians 1:8: John 3:16)
3. Those who die do not die. (Romans 6:23)
4. The end of the wicked is not really their end. (Philippians 3:19; Hebrews 6:8)
5. Those who are consumed are not consumed. (Hebrews 10:27)
6. Mortals are born immortal; (1 Timothy 6:16) therefore, how can there be any such thing as being mortal? There are no mortals and could never be a mortal if all men are created immortal.
7. The second death is not a death; it is eternal life with torment. (Revelation 21:8)
Good things we “Mormons” don’t believe Mormonism saves. “Mormonism” isn’t even the name of anything.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ only believe there is ONE who saves. Jesus Christ. Because we are christian.
*When Mormons refer to god, their so-called heavenly father, they are referring to a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* A man who dwelt on another earth, kept the commandment his god gave him earning his godhood and was exalted to be made a Mormon god. A Mormon exalted man god who practices polygamy in his so-called celestial kingdom. A Mormon polygamist exalted man god among a myriad of mythical Mormon polygamist exalted men gods and each having numerous goddess wives in their celestial kingdoms. A mythology made up by Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, and Brigham Young, 2nd Mormon false prophet.
This is obviously not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth who became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.,among a myriad of mythical Mormon polygamist exalted men gods and each having numerous goddess wives in their celestial kingdoms. A mythology made up by Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, and Brigham Young..
References
Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith page 345, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th Mormon false prophet,
Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:9,
Journal of Discourses Vol. 7 p 333-334, Vol. 9 of 26, p 322.
God declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10)
Quit pretending to be a Bible scholar. You have no idea what the Bible says, in Greek, much less in English.
Why would god be referred to as the father and Jesus the son if there is not a mother and a father? Why the need for these very specific pronouns? Oh, that’s right, they are just two dudes, chillin with out any women around. So…are they gay then?
If you are genuinely seeking for truth, read the entire gospel of John and pay specific attention to the way Jesus communicates with the Father as the Son, and the way He communicates with others when referring to God as His Father and Himself as the Son. The answer to your question is specifically found in John 5. If you decide to do anything I ask, please read John 5 with an open mind and try to remove pre-conceived ideas before reading the text. After healing a paralytic on the Sabbath, the Pharisees began persecuting Jesus, when Jesus became face to face with them, he made the statement in John 17 “My Father is working until now, and I am working”. The Jews would have immediately understood Jesus statement, because God did not rest on the Sabbath, and Jesus stating that He was working on the Sabbath because His Father was also working, was the only way He could communicate with the Jews that He was equal with the Father, while at the same time differentiating Himself as a distinct person from the Father. The terms Father and Son are used because the only true God is not one person, hence the need to differentiate between the 3 persons sharing the one true being of YHWH. As the Jews clearly understood, Jesus claiming to be the Son of God, was Jesus way of differentiating Himself from the person of God the Father while letting them understand that just like human fathers and sons both have the same nature, Jesus being the Son was revealing that He shared the same nature as God. If you were to accept Jesus statement in John 17:3, “And this is eternal life, that they know you (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” You would understand that Jesus statement 2 verses later, “And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed”, is not one god speaking to another god, but God the Son asking God the Father to glorify Himself with the glory they have eternally shared together as the only true God.
Gay in the classical sense and not the neologism sense.
Can sheep type on keyboards? Why would God refer to Christians as sheep?
@@Hez0 sheep are used as a metaphor, in a few instances “other sheep I have which are not of this fold”. When Jesus is talking about his father, And the father his son, i don’t see any metaphorical implications anywhere.
If God is uncreated, as many here argue. Who created Jesus? Or did they both appear at the same time?
@@mr400meter where is your support for this claim?
We don't do the things we do to get brownie points with God.
Brings the Kids (to act as "bait") Lol! Future "anti-mormons" (?) I hope not though :) Kids are initially pretty smart!
ITs funny these bible salespeople say "We love you" but you are going to hell (because you don't believe in our opinion)! Jesus taught against this! The Girl is the one on track (not these dudes).
The bible calls us to rightly _divide_ the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15); making distinctions brings clarity.
Notice how LDS' try to unite their lie with the truth by manufacturing common ground and conflating; attempting to cloud judgment and discernment.
She’s so deceived.
I do not believe that a loving Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ, would ever take anyone who is earnestly and sincerely seeking His will in their lives, and throw them into an eternal Barbeque pit because they chose the "wrong" (read: your) church/denomination/religion.
That is because you are a denier of Scripture and are using faulty human wisdom
Prayers for her she letting the church control and deception on her she needs the real Jesus of the holy Bible nothing of the Lds will save her.
These Apologia Utah people have not a clue, they are telling un truths on many levels.
Name something you think they are saying that is wrong