Yeah after his voice actor passed away and it was revealed the voice actor of Avery wasn't too happy with Cockstar he had some real issues with them so when he passed away Cockstar decided to kill off his character Avery in 1998 12 years after the events of Vice City which later take place in Liberty City Stories Avery didn't say a word and was just killed like he was nothing.
@@SonnyWeg I was talking about the in game event year not the actual game release but yeah it's sad to see some of the voice actors passing away including Ray Liotta and the voice of Sonny Forelli too.
After Tommy took over Diaz business, some of Diaz goons started working for Tommy. There's a minor character named Mike who's seen in mission "Cop Land" who used to be Diaz bodyguard. He looks a bit like a younger Miguel, and Mike is also "Miguel", translated to spanish. I wonder if they could be the same person? Maybe not, but it does make sense that Tommy has the Colombians that used to work for Diaz form the Colombian Cartel. Would surely explain why the Cartel was protecting Avery Carrington in LCS.
One theory that i think makes A LOT of sense is that since Tommy killed the head of the Forelli family at the end of the game, they soon had to come back for revenge. Given that Ken Rosenberg was working with Tommy, why would they accept him as mediator of the Mafia casino in 92? The answer is that Ken mediated the peace between the Forelli and Vercetti after 1986, as Ken was a former associate of the Forelli and didn't outright betray them like Tommy. With this spectacular feat of achieving peace between the Forelli's and Vercetti, he was then chosen as the right man to mediate the 3 families Casino.
In San Andreas The Introduction It's stated that the Sindaccos only put Ken there because Salvatore wanted a third party beyond the families,and Ken states in his missions that the Forellis were looking for any reason to kill him,but hadn't done so because the cassino was still lucrative and the Leones were looking out for him,Ken fell off with Tommy
@@mr.andrew7820 If the sindacco were the responsible for having Ken manage the casino in the first place, then maybe Tommy allied with the sindacco after the events of Vice City, when the Forelli came to avenge sonny forelli. This then led to war between Tommy/sindacco on one side and the Forelli on the other...and then Ken, who was a former Forelli associate and the only friendship link with them, mediated the peace. Because of this he was later appointed to mediate the casino, as he was seen as the right man for the job.
@@joaoantunes4548 Tommy wasn't involved in any way in the Caligulas plan,The Introduction shows that Ken hadn't spoken with Tommy in years and is denied when he tries,as Tommy himself said in VC"It's all down south now",the Sindaccos kept Ken around because of Salvatore and his funding
@@mr.andrew7820 my theory is pretty simple and straight forward tommy became the Mafia boss he always wanted to be in vice city he was a mobster and he never hated it he just hated how his former family the forreii family treated him and how his former best friend sonny wanted him gone he thought sonny being boss would make him made finally until he realizes that Diaz was working with the forreii family and that the drug deal was just a setup to kill tommy sonny never lost any money or drugs he used it as a excuse to convince tommy that he was gonna be the running man for the family down south Diaz most likely gave sonny drugs for the money he took by his henchmen and had probably already sent the drugs it's worth note that the first scene with sonny when talking about tommy going down south there's two things 1. Sonnys plan for tommy was just to go down south and do a drug deal and " let him loose" with ken watching him but when the time comes to get rid of him will be when they got the connections, 2. In the scene you see the table he's sitting next to has a darn good amount of cocaine and vice city is the hub of cocaine in the east coast not saying liberty city ain't a hub for drugs but not cocaine liberty city is more of a meth, and heroin hub honestly but cocaine is usually in vice city so this indicates they are already buying drugs so sonny has already made a connection with a drug dealer which is Diaz so they team up sonny wants tommy gone but doesn't wanna do it cuz they got history the family would view sonny as a hearth less un loyal leader etc so Diaz will do it but sonny knows a drug deal gone wrong won't get tommy killed but will trigger him to go on a murder spree if he can convince tommy to do it or the family will not only excommunicate him but also kill him so his plan is for tommy to kill Diaz and replace Diaz and then like he said in the first scene when the cards are right when come in and takeover so now the forreii family not only has connections down south instead now they have there territory in liberty city with the other two families but now they got turf in vice city and our one of the major gangs down there which means the other families will view the forreii family as the strongest however tommy finds out about everything and ends up killing everyone including Vance who was supposed to be the new tommy for them but I disagree cuz I think if sonny would have won he would have had one of his capos or if he had a underboss run things so my theroy is tommy after killing everyone stays in vice city and becomes the mob boss down there cuz liberty city has three mafia families one of whichs don he killed plus the Leones would immediately go to war with the vercitti family since tommy killed a bunch of them in the harbour massacre, the sindacco family might help tommy since they hate both the other families but have always been the weakest of the three families so it wouldn't help much, and tommy tells ken everything is down south now which means tommy is full on invested in vice city being his, The vercitti family at the end of the game is very powerful they have territory in every part of vice city now they have wearhouses to store and produce cocaine ( the ice cream factory) the have legit business to laundry money ( strip club, the night club, taxi cab etc.) they also have ways to transport drugs ( taxi can service, boat yard, etc.) and businesses that can sell there drugs they want to sell on the streets( ice cream factory, strip club, night club) and he can sell outta state with his boat yard so tommy has no need to move or expand the business comes to him he don't move for no one he's the boss wanna do business you have to meet him, wanna move drugs in or outta vice city talk to the vercitti families Don first for protecting or buy from them vice city has no other mafia family it's perfect plus he has made friends with some of the gangs like the Cubans, the bikers etc who are now probably his top hometown buyers it should also be noted that in san Andreas CIA agent torreno explained to cj how he's not the only one running a drug syndicate " kid you think I'm the big shot no I'm a nobody I run a non existent operation here in san Andreas and at least it's controlled go down south where a a new formed mafia running the entire coke trade in vice city, the Columbians and Russians fighting over bringing drugs into Liberty city, meanwhile the liberty city families are fighting them over the drugs there bringing in it's all a fucking mess here in America cj wake up" this tells us that in the 90s tommy is still the Mafia Don and take the Columbians are forced to move to liberty city to use as there new drug port which is causing troubles for the Russians and is making the three families in liberty city unhappy cuz two new gangs are trying to come into there city which is why the Russians are tryna expand to san Andreas drug trade all this cuz tommy owns vice city still and I don't think anybody is making a move on tommy even the CIA knows and they ain't trying to stop tommy why cuz tommy is straight up the most smartest but also most savage GTA protagonist he's the true definition of the boss in GTA games there's no other gang leader in GTA games that's better than him no better criminal than him he's crazy enough he could kill Trevor and smart enough to outplay ppl like Micheal, cj, etc. tommy is the number 1 protagonist there's no character in GTA that can beat him rockstar knows this so with all that tommy just stays in vice city and continues running things he probably had a family with the coronel daughter or maybe just one kid and that kid took over the family when tommy dies like literally for how vice city was the city for cocaine in the 3d verse no one talks about vice city when tommy takes over no one moves away to there, mentions setting up shop there etc. Why do u think the three families chose las Ventura as the next city for them cuz vice city already has a mafia the vercitti family
first tommy kicked ken rosenberg "rosie" in 1992 because of drugs so he was still his boss and wasnt on drugs it seems if hes alive hes still the boss of the vercetti mafia "marios" and lives in teh mansion no drugs ig
okay now y’all forgetting some things, catalina is related to a mexican named cesar vilpando, tommy couldn’t really stand a chance in venturas because of 3 other families, including the forellis (sonny was one of them) but he could have a chance in liberty city due to the forellis being the weakest family in gta3
Lmao. Your 2 likes as well as you dont know nothing about vc. Tommys gang is strongest gang in gta and would destroy all 3 families combines. So no he would have but maybe he isnt interested in that casino. There is casino with avery and candy .This casino is mostly chances Tommys
@@Bukret-k6o as a guy who played the four games, Vercetti's crime family is fairly strong however after Sayonara Salvatore mission, the equipment of the Leone family becomes insane, I don't think Vercetti's family would keep up with such a weaponry tbh or at least have too much causalities if they won, seemingly the new leader is Toni Cipriani since he's the most capable and guy is no joke as we can see in LCS, sure he got weaker in GTA III physically however his strategies is still the same, maybe even better. and I think Vercetti's family also have some legal businesses in Las Venturas since u can see the stuff around connected to them and I think they're the funders of the Colombian Cartel since there is already connections here and there in two games so there was no "I'll get revenge" stuff since some already joined Tommy, some maybe contact here and there made them allies due to the fact the Colombian Cartel was trying to save Avery who is connected to Tommy Vercetti, so surely Tommy has connections but I don't really see the part of Tommy knowing Catalina anyhow.
@@vlamrcisco5838 Lmao. Shotguns are not even near being uzi level lol. So no your strong guns arent even strong enough at all. They would keep up easily even without hunter,rhino and sea sparrow.Toni is weak and isnt nowhere near Vercetti level. Yes they have businesses in Las Venturas. They arent founder of colombians, that is just false theory from dumb russian. They were saving Avery because he began to work with them.
@@vlamrcisco5838 Lmao. Shotguns are not even near being uzi level lol. So no your strong guns arent even strong enough at all. They would keep up easily even without hunter,rhino and sea sparrow.Toni is weak and isnt nowhere near Vercetti level. Yes they have businesses in Las Venturas. They arent founder of colombians, that is just false theory from dumb russian. They were saving Avery because he began to work with them.
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And they all still play in the same, wich is weird af since katalyna was white/hispanic in gta3 and black and ugly and a totaly diffrent persona in gta sa ... changes like these bother the heck outta me
There's a fun theory that in gta III when Donald love goes missing.....the thing people thought is that after the death of Avery in gta LCS....Tommy apparently had a personal contact from the time with Avery as a business partner and wery close connected person..... Tommy admired Avery and they were expanding their real estate business and since when Tommy tries contacting Avery and doesn't get a response....this is where Tommy gets to know what happened there and apparently he sends one of his Hitmen to kill Donald or just kidnap him and torture and kill him
He became the mayor or a governor and pushed out anyone that was a threat to his empire, and after he ended his political career he bought up everything left in the city and lived his life out in his mansion.
Barry Harcross(character mentioned in the Liberty Tree website) is the owner of Panlantic Construction and was Donald Love's real estate rival in 2001,in Los Santos there is another Interglobal studios ans Candy Suxxx has a movie advertised in Gta Liberty City Stories and he is mentioned one final time on Kent Paul's website that takes place in 2002,and the Liberty City Colombian Cartel got so strong dealing Spank that they produced in the boat that Claude blows up and distributed on the streets via the Triads and Uptown Yardies
Before Miguel, the Columbian Cartel was run by Cisco from ????-2000. After he died some Paul Bearer looking guy took over, but I am guessing he died as well canonically in GTA Advance as well. That leaves Miguel to become the leader, but I am not entirely sure he even was a leader. I think the Columbian Cartel were remnants of Diaz's cartel. The reason I say that is because as you mentioned the Columbian cartel makes referencing living in Vice City at one point. Diaz IS Columbian. I do not think that the Columbian cartel is connected with Tommy Vercetti as well. I don't think Tommy was interested in Liberty City as he made it clear that there is no more up north from now on. The only sign of Tommy's prescience is his cash flow from two of his legitament businesses the Cherry Popper Ice Cream company, and his pornography business.
Given the fact that GTA VC is in the 3d universe and GTA 6 will be in the HD like 4 and 5, I don't think we'll encounter Tommy in the new game unfortunately, like what happened to CJ where we didn't encounter him in GTA 5
Bingo it has been stated multiple times that’s 3, Vice City & San Andreas are part of the cartoon trilogy. They are fictitious and myths in the HD (GTA 4,5 & 6) world, none of the cartoon characters (Claude, Tommy or CJ) can crossover to the HD world. Best they can do is a nod to the character as a parody movie or video game in GTA 6 as a meta joke.
Yeah,in GTA 5 It's stated that Sammy Bottino(also mentioned in Gta 4)ruled Vice City (and the South of the East Coast) in the 80s and 90s until 2007 where murder charges were put on him in Vice City
@@jammin2575 it’s only officially stated by Rockstar in reference to GTA 4. A lot of that went out the window with GTA 5. GTA 4 had no references to previous GTA’s but there’s plenty in GTA 5, even Grove Street Families is mentioned. Odd how nobody picks this up but if you look it up, Rockstar said this for 4.
Apparently, Tommy Vercetti was supposed to appear in GTA San Andreas, but was cut because of the voice actor. Rosenberg even mentions Tommy in one of the missions
2:06 Uhmm, that's not their office. That's just some scaffolding with a company name on them. They probably did some work on that building, that's all.
After Vice City's release, Ray Liotta, Tommy's voice actor, was bad mouthing Rockstar and complaining he didn't get paid enough considering how sucessful the game was. One of the Houser, forgot which one, decided that Tommy had died off screen between Vice City and San Andreas.
This is the kind of stuff I used to theorize over back when I played these games in the 2000s. What do we even know about the cartel? That's where fanfiction can come into play with these games.
tbh kent paul states in his site(which was designed in 2002) smth like "i know I haven't mentioned about you tommy, but please don't hunt me down". Which pretty much assures that was pretty much alive and active in 2002, and considering the fact that by the end of gta 3(2001) every highly influential gang in that universe got disbanded one way or another, we can pretty much assume he is still active till this date. Would be good to see him back in gta 6
Basically Vercetti owns Vice, AND LC, the moment he became top dog, and when he began to expand his entire real estate loop into the drug trade from Florida... Ingenius...
Yeah I think he gets really itchy when it's business like he made Jethro and Dwayne leave VC after buying their workplace gradually making them leave their jobs as boatyard worker in 1989. Mr truth states it in when recruiting them. And you're theory makes sense he never lets scums run things (after Lance betrayal). We could never get an ambitious character like Tommy 💜
In one of the Sanandreas Mission Rosenberg was present and Completed a mission with Carl johnson. There Tommy Vercetti's name was mentioned "Just like old Times" Said by rosenberg. We can have an Idea from that also.
That's a great guess👍So crazy Catalina was sponsored by Tommy Vercetti👍I see, Tommy and Catalina are very similar in that they are both violent activists😂But Tommy is smarter🤣
Let me add this: Catalina was Cesar's cousin and yes Cesar was Mexican but that doesn't mean she don't have Colombian family not mentioned in game... Yes Avery Carrington died in 1998 during the events of Liberty City Stories, but that like the video mentions never meant Tommy Vercetti couldn't have funded Pan-Lantic (which is likely a renaming of Avery Construction) as Tommy and Avery were both alive and well in 1992... Now Miguel calls Catalina baby in the mission where she shoots him and escapes... She definitely could have Colombian heritage as well as Mexican and be the "wife" of Miguel and thus run the Cartel that way... Now say Tommy was still funding Pan-Lantic even after 1998 since it would be profitable for his business in Vice City, and who did Tommy Vercetti take over for? Ricardo Diaz whom was Colombian (perhaps a small hint) and funded Avery Carrington who ran Pan-Lantic which seems to be above the cartel as while the leaders don't seem to like Donald Love after he ripped them off he technically got back rich because of the Pan-Lantic deal, which he got via Toni Cipriani's deeds...
okay, here's where you started getting it wrong: 1. Tommy does not need to return the favor to Avery, Avery is the one who's returning the favor to Tommy by teaching him about real estate. Remember the mission Riot? Avery said, "Son, you help and any greaseballs giving you hard time, I'll see to it they take a long dirt nap". So, it's obvious that Tommy helped Avery first, not the other way around 2. Tommy runs his own business, while Avery runs his own business. Avery is already a professional real estate mogul at that time, he even manages Shady Acres according to a radio advertisement, so he doesn't need any additional funding from Tommy which could put his real estate business at risk since Tommy's a drug kingpin. Just remember, Avery is already a successful professional real estate mogul so that's that, no denial. Also, Avery first established partnership with Panlantic in 1998, that was his first time having any connection with them... Unfortunately for him, he got killed by Toni under the order of Donald Love so there's absolutely no way that Tommy could have had any stakes in Panlantic nor does he actually has a share with Avery in his businesses (like I said, Tommy runs his own business, Avery runs his own business) 3. That mansion in VC reference in LCS could've simply implied that some members of Diaz's Gang, who are Colombians ofc, refused to take orders from Tommy and decides to move to Liberty City, where, conveniently, another Colombian Cartel operates at. I doubt Vercetti Gang consists of any Colombians since the accent of Tommy's goons ingame sounded more Italian-American so the Colombians must've been from Diaz's Gang 4. Catalina's sudden rise in fame could've simply be concluded by the fact that she's close to Miguel, NOT Tommy Vercetti. Like I said in number 3, Tommy DOES NOT have a connection with the Colombian Cartel and the members in LCS simply refused to work with Tommy after Diaz's death. There's a huge gap between 1992 and 2001 so this means Catalina and Claude could've met Miguel at anytime during that period. Knowing Catalina, she probably did try to flirt with Miguel just like he did with Claude, because she found out from people and whispers that Miguel is a Cartel member and later leader in 2000 (Cisco is the leader of the Cartel until 2000 where he died in GTA Advance, Miguel was possibly the Lieutenant which explains why he was able to claim leadership). We all know the obvious persona of Catalina, she's greedy an power hungry. She switched her love to Claude when she knew CJ had outlived his usefulness and will not fulfill Catalina's wish to gain more money. She abandons CJ for Claude because he's the perfect puppet for her to be able to rise in fame and eventually gained Miguel's trust for her to be able to become his right-hand woman.
I never thought that deeply about it! But I knew Tommy was alive in 2001. What I always thought about Catalina and Claude is that one job went terribly awry, and they had to flee to Mexico or even further south, and that's how they met Miguel and the cartel. I always liked that the cartel was mysterious. "Colombian Cartel" is not a specific name at all, likely on purpose. I often express my disagreement with the different universe thing, and here's where things get interesting: I think Tommy is dead by 2008 due to a major police raid. No way he'd be willing to go back to prison, so a Scarface-like battle it'd have been. And if the mansion isn't on Starfish Island in GTA 6, another simple explanation: authorities demolished it to keep him from having a legacy. Lester says, "That crew from the South, they all went down" when discussing people to hire for the jewel job. I've debated with others, but so far, I don't believe there exists a more formidable gang down there except for Vercetti's gang. Lester had to have known about Vercetti due to the bank job for the Malibu asset, or maybe Tommy pulled a few other heists after that. We discussed Lester that possibly meant a different area known as "South" as opposed to the Southeast US, but there also isn't mention of a Southwest US often. I recently made up one of those silly theories you mentioned, so I'll keep it to myself, or add it as a surprise in a fan fiction.
@@scarface3738 That was the biggest mistake they ever made. Either terrible or afterthought writing, since Florida existed in GTA IV but is now called Leonida. It's simple things like that which could've been implemented to prevent it.
There is no sequence to the games because Catalina and Claude are in San Andreas meaning San Andreas happened before grand theft auto three and vice city followed
Ray Liotta died last year so he won't be in VI. I expect nothing more than some easter eggs and references to the 80's, and some in game tribute to Liotta.
I understand that Lazlo appears in the 3D games and in the HD games but that's because there's two different versions of him in each universe. the HD Universe has references to the 3D games but those are just simple Easter eggs. so yeah GTA has separate universes 2D 3D in HD.
Bro complained about bizarre theories then outta nowhere says that Tommy financed both Panlantic and Donald when they actually were against each other 😂😂
Жду мод Shine o vice - она по времени действия находится между вайсом и сан андреасом с тройком, может там что-то прольют на их связи, в том числе колумбийский картель или еще что-то I'm waiting for the Shine o Vice mod - it's set between Vice and San Andreas with III, maybe they'll shed some light on their connections, including the Colombian cartel or something else
Perhaps, I never thought about it, although many will say it's crazy. Even before prison, Tommy could knock someone up, but still have relationship. And then his daughter, when he was in prison, began to travel around the country, visiting San Andreas, where she remained even after his release, until in '92, having learned about the cartel (at the same time, she knew about her father, and at that time he was already making contact with them) she decided to travel around the country again with her bf - with the final point in Liberty City, where they finally arrived in 2001.
The edits in your videos are amazing, but you full of bs sometimes dude. Until you aint changing this, many people not gonna subscribe to your channel. Sorry, facts. ✌️
@@التعلمالمستمر-ذ2ض if you wanna spam free Palestine then do it on a politicians channel, I don’t think saying it on some random Channel is gonna change Israel’s mind or something
Avery died in 1998
Yeah after his voice actor passed away and it was revealed the voice actor of Avery wasn't too happy with Cockstar he had some real issues with them so when he passed away Cockstar decided to kill off his character Avery in 1998 12 years after the events of Vice City which later take place in Liberty City Stories Avery didn't say a word and was just killed like he was nothing.
@@RomanZ-zy1efi am proud for your coming out 🏳️🌈
@@RomanZ-zy1ef Burt Reynolds passed away in 2018. GTA LCS (where Avery was killed off) was released in 2005
@@SonnyWeg I was talking about the in game event year not the actual game release but yeah it's sad to see some of the voice actors passing away including Ray Liotta and the voice of Sonny Forelli too.
@@RomanZ-zy1ef you’re a moron bruh
If you played LCS, you'll remember that Avery Carrington was killed by Tony Cipriani.
and eaten by Donald Love :P
@@Pan0ramiksthe same man who was with Avery in one mission i still can't accept that Donald is a cannibal.
@@Pan0ramiksthe same man who was with Avery in one mission i still can't accept that Donald is a cannibal.
After Tommy took over Diaz business, some of Diaz goons started working for Tommy. There's a minor character named Mike who's seen in mission "Cop Land" who used to be Diaz bodyguard. He looks a bit like a younger Miguel, and Mike is also "Miguel", translated to spanish. I wonder if they could be the same person? Maybe not, but it does make sense that Tommy has the Colombians that used to work for Diaz form the Colombian Cartel. Would surely explain why the Cartel was protecting Avery Carrington in LCS.
One theory that i think makes A LOT of sense is that since Tommy killed the head of the Forelli family at the end of the game, they soon had to come back for revenge. Given that Ken Rosenberg was working with Tommy, why would they accept him as mediator of the Mafia casino in 92? The answer is that Ken mediated the peace between the Forelli and Vercetti after 1986, as Ken was a former associate of the Forelli and didn't outright betray them like Tommy.
With this spectacular feat of achieving peace between the Forelli's and Vercetti, he was then chosen as the right man to mediate the 3 families Casino.
In San Andreas The Introduction It's stated that the Sindaccos only put Ken there because Salvatore wanted a third party beyond the families,and Ken states in his missions that the Forellis were looking for any reason to kill him,but hadn't done so because the cassino was still lucrative and the Leones were looking out for him,Ken fell off with Tommy
@@mr.andrew7820 Rosenberg was a waste of time Tommy did the right thing by cutting all ties with him due to his drug addiction and annoying manner.
@@mr.andrew7820 If the sindacco were the responsible for having Ken manage the casino in the first place, then maybe Tommy allied with the sindacco after the events of Vice City, when the Forelli came to avenge sonny forelli. This then led to war between Tommy/sindacco on one side and the Forelli on the other...and then Ken, who was a former Forelli associate and the only friendship link with them, mediated the peace. Because of this he was later appointed to mediate the casino, as he was seen as the right man for the job.
@@joaoantunes4548 Tommy wasn't involved in any way in the Caligulas plan,The Introduction shows that Ken hadn't spoken with Tommy in years and is denied when he tries,as Tommy himself said in VC"It's all down south now",the Sindaccos kept Ken around because of Salvatore and his funding
@@mr.andrew7820 my theory is pretty simple and straight forward tommy became the Mafia boss he always wanted to be in vice city he was a mobster and he never hated it he just hated how his former family the forreii family treated him and how his former best friend sonny wanted him gone he thought sonny being boss would make him made finally until he realizes that Diaz was working with the forreii family and that the drug deal was just a setup to kill tommy sonny never lost any money or drugs he used it as a excuse to convince tommy that he was gonna be the running man for the family down south Diaz most likely gave sonny drugs for the money he took by his henchmen and had probably already sent the drugs it's worth note that the first scene with sonny when talking about tommy going down south there's two things 1. Sonnys plan for tommy was just to go down south and do a drug deal and " let him loose" with ken watching him but when the time comes to get rid of him will be when they got the connections, 2. In the scene you see the table he's sitting next to has a darn good amount of cocaine and vice city is the hub of cocaine in the east coast not saying liberty city ain't a hub for drugs but not cocaine liberty city is more of a meth, and heroin hub honestly but cocaine is usually in vice city so this indicates they are already buying drugs so sonny has already made a connection with a drug dealer which is Diaz so they team up sonny wants tommy gone but doesn't wanna do it cuz they got history the family would view sonny as a hearth less un loyal leader etc so Diaz will do it but sonny knows a drug deal gone wrong won't get tommy killed but will trigger him to go on a murder spree if he can convince tommy to do it or the family will not only excommunicate him but also kill him so his plan is for tommy to kill Diaz and replace Diaz and then like he said in the first scene when the cards are right when come in and takeover so now the forreii family not only has connections down south instead now they have there territory in liberty city with the other two families but now they got turf in vice city and our one of the major gangs down there which means the other families will view the forreii family as the strongest however tommy finds out about everything and ends up killing everyone including Vance who was supposed to be the new tommy for them but I disagree cuz I think if sonny would have won he would have had one of his capos or if he had a underboss run things so my theroy is tommy after killing everyone stays in vice city and becomes the mob boss down there cuz liberty city has three mafia families one of whichs don he killed plus the Leones would immediately go to war with the vercitti family since tommy killed a bunch of them in the harbour massacre, the sindacco family might help tommy since they hate both the other families but have always been the weakest of the three families so it wouldn't help much, and tommy tells ken everything is down south now which means tommy is full on invested in vice city being his, The vercitti family at the end of the game is very powerful they have territory in every part of vice city now they have wearhouses to store and produce cocaine ( the ice cream factory) the have legit business to laundry money ( strip club, the night club, taxi cab etc.) they also have ways to transport drugs ( taxi can service, boat yard, etc.) and businesses that can sell there drugs they want to sell on the streets( ice cream factory, strip club, night club) and he can sell outta state with his boat yard so tommy has no need to move or expand the business comes to him he don't move for no one he's the boss wanna do business you have to meet him, wanna move drugs in or outta vice city talk to the vercitti families Don first for protecting or buy from them vice city has no other mafia family it's perfect plus he has made friends with some of the gangs like the Cubans, the bikers etc who are now probably his top hometown buyers it should also be noted that in san Andreas CIA agent torreno explained to cj how he's not the only one running a drug syndicate " kid you think I'm the big shot no I'm a nobody I run a non existent operation here in san Andreas and at least it's controlled go down south where a a new formed mafia running the entire coke trade in vice city, the Columbians and Russians fighting over bringing drugs into Liberty city, meanwhile the liberty city families are fighting them over the drugs there bringing in it's all a fucking mess here in America cj wake up" this tells us that in the 90s tommy is still the Mafia Don and take the Columbians are forced to move to liberty city to use as there new drug port which is causing troubles for the Russians and is making the three families in liberty city unhappy cuz two new gangs are trying to come into there city which is why the Russians are tryna expand to san Andreas drug trade all this cuz tommy owns vice city still and I don't think anybody is making a move on tommy even the CIA knows and they ain't trying to stop tommy why cuz tommy is straight up the most smartest but also most savage GTA protagonist he's the true definition of the boss in GTA games there's no other gang leader in GTA games that's better than him no better criminal than him he's crazy enough he could kill Trevor and smart enough to outplay ppl like Micheal, cj, etc. tommy is the number 1 protagonist there's no character in GTA that can beat him rockstar knows this so with all that tommy just stays in vice city and continues running things he probably had a family with the coronel daughter or maybe just one kid and that kid took over the family when tommy dies like literally for how vice city was the city for cocaine in the 3d verse no one talks about vice city when tommy takes over no one moves away to there, mentions setting up shop there etc. Why do u think the three families chose las Ventura as the next city for them cuz vice city already has a mafia the vercitti family
first tommy kicked ken rosenberg "rosie" in 1992 because of drugs so he was still his boss and wasnt on drugs it seems if hes alive hes still the boss of the vercetti mafia "marios" and lives in teh mansion no drugs ig
He doesn't do them but he does distribute them
okay now y’all forgetting some things, catalina is related to a mexican named cesar vilpando, tommy couldn’t really stand a chance in venturas because of 3 other families, including the forellis (sonny was one of them) but he could have a chance in liberty city due to the forellis being the weakest family in gta3
Lmao. Your 2 likes as well as you dont know nothing about vc. Tommys gang is strongest gang in gta and would destroy all 3 families combines. So no he would have but maybe he isnt interested in that casino. There is casino with avery and candy .This casino is mostly chances Tommys
That's true doesn't Tommy own the film studio Candy_Suxxx works in
@@Bukret-k6o as a guy who played the four games, Vercetti's crime family is fairly strong however after Sayonara Salvatore mission, the equipment of the Leone family becomes insane, I don't think Vercetti's family would keep up with such a weaponry tbh or at least have too much causalities if they won, seemingly the new leader is Toni Cipriani since he's the most capable and guy is no joke as we can see in LCS, sure he got weaker in GTA III physically however his strategies is still the same, maybe even better.
and I think Vercetti's family also have some legal businesses in Las Venturas since u can see the stuff around connected to them
and I think they're the funders of the Colombian Cartel since there is already connections here and there in two games so there was no "I'll get revenge" stuff since some already joined Tommy, some maybe contact here and there made them allies due to the fact the Colombian Cartel was trying to save Avery who is connected to Tommy Vercetti, so surely Tommy has connections but I don't really see the part of Tommy knowing Catalina anyhow.
@@vlamrcisco5838 Lmao. Shotguns are not even near being uzi level lol. So no your strong guns arent even strong enough at all. They would keep up easily even without hunter,rhino and sea sparrow.Toni is weak and isnt nowhere near Vercetti level. Yes they have businesses in Las Venturas. They arent founder of colombians, that is just false theory from dumb russian. They were saving Avery because he began to work with them.
@@vlamrcisco5838 Lmao. Shotguns are not even near being uzi level lol. So no your strong guns arent even strong enough at all. They would keep up easily even without hunter,rhino and sea sparrow.Toni is weak and isnt nowhere near Vercetti level. Yes they have businesses in Las Venturas. They arent founder of colombians, that is just false theory from dumb russian. They were saving Avery because he began to work with them.
Cisco was the leader of the Columbian Cartel in 2000
Ah, yes. I remember Cisco. After him, a replacement ordered a hit on Mike, but this failed.
Cisco! F i forgot thr story line of GTA Advance
Rockstar didn’t think about it
Cockstar always cares about money.
i think they know what they doing quietly
@@Youngmonsterymn they damn know right but never tell anyone
@@RomanZ-zy1ef Most companies care about money...
@@tangokilo1453 more like every
2D Universe GTA London 1969,GTA (1997),GTA 2
3D Universe GTA vice city stories,GTA vice city,GTA San Andreas,GTA Liberty City Stories,GTA Advance,GTA 3
HD Universe GTA 4,GTA IV episodes from Liberty City,GTA china town wars,GTA 5,GTA online,GTA 6
You've put all universes correctly ✅
And they all still play in the same, wich is weird af since katalyna was white/hispanic in gta3 and black and ugly and a totaly diffrent persona in gta sa ... changes like these bother the heck outta me
@@JanoschNr1 Maria looked different too.
tommy doesnt do drugs
@@TordaiJenoArthurJenci he does
He probably distributes them only that's how he became filthy rich.
He actually does cause you can pick up that pill that makes everything slow motion
@@DavidG-e2g i feel like thats more of a gameplay mechanic rather than part of the story
@@TheFlick175 bro he a pill poppa
There's a fun theory that in gta III when Donald love goes missing.....the thing people thought is that after the death of Avery in gta LCS....Tommy apparently had a personal contact from the time with Avery as a business partner and wery close connected person..... Tommy admired Avery and they were expanding their real estate business and since when Tommy tries contacting Avery and doesn't get a response....this is where Tommy gets to know what happened there and apparently he sends one of his Hitmen to kill Donald or just kidnap him and torture and kill him
At 3:54 you got the Sindacco and Forelli mixed up, The guy on the middle is Johnny Sindacco from the mission Fender Ketchup in gta sa.
He became the mayor or a governor and pushed out anyone that was a threat to his empire, and after he ended his political career he bought up everything left in the city and lived his life out in his mansion.
"Vercetti remember the name"- Tommy Vercetti -
"Vercetti remember the name"- Tommy Vercetti -
@@talibong9518 he died later on his life as 40 years has passed since the 80s
Barry Harcross(character mentioned in the Liberty Tree website) is the owner of Panlantic Construction and was Donald Love's real estate rival in 2001,in Los Santos there is another Interglobal studios ans Candy Suxxx has a movie advertised in Gta Liberty City Stories and he is mentioned one final time on Kent Paul's website that takes place in 2002,and the Liberty City Colombian Cartel got so strong dealing Spank that they produced in the boat that Claude blows up and distributed on the streets via the Triads and Uptown Yardies
Theory is trash. A lot of circumstantial evidence and jumping the gun, especially the Avery stuff. You need more concrete evidence bruh.
Before Miguel, the Columbian Cartel was run by Cisco from ????-2000. After he died some Paul Bearer looking guy took over, but I am guessing he died as well canonically in GTA Advance as well. That leaves Miguel to become the leader, but I am not entirely sure he even was a leader.
I think the Columbian Cartel were remnants of Diaz's cartel. The reason I say that is because as you mentioned the Columbian cartel makes referencing living in Vice City at one point. Diaz IS Columbian. I do not think that the Columbian cartel is connected with Tommy Vercetti as well.
I don't think Tommy was interested in Liberty City as he made it clear that there is no more up north from now on. The only sign of Tommy's prescience is his cash flow from two of his legitament businesses the Cherry Popper Ice Cream company, and his pornography business.
Given the fact that GTA VC is in the 3d universe and GTA 6 will be in the HD like 4 and 5, I don't think we'll encounter Tommy in the new game unfortunately, like what happened to CJ where we didn't encounter him in GTA 5
Bingo it has been stated multiple times that’s 3, Vice City & San Andreas are part of the cartoon trilogy. They are fictitious and myths in the HD (GTA 4,5 & 6) world, none of the cartoon characters (Claude, Tommy or CJ) can crossover to the HD world. Best they can do is a nod to the character as a parody movie or video game in GTA 6 as a meta joke.
Yeah,in GTA 5 It's stated that Sammy Bottino(also mentioned in Gta 4)ruled Vice City (and the South of the East Coast) in the 80s and 90s until 2007 where murder charges were put on him in Vice City
@@jammin2575 *3D characters
@@jammin2575 other than minor characters. Lazlow Jones. Love fist. And a few other small ones.
@@jammin2575 it’s only officially stated by Rockstar in reference to GTA 4. A lot of that went out the window with GTA 5. GTA 4 had no references to previous GTA’s but there’s plenty in GTA 5, even Grove Street Families is mentioned. Odd how nobody picks this up but if you look it up, Rockstar said this for 4.
I heard speculation that Tommy is related to Lucia in GTA VI when it comes out
Doubt it
@@Cedsoncole We will see
I think Lucia may be related to Luis Lopez, and GTA Vice City is in a seperate universe from GTA VI - 3D/HD Universe sepadation
Apparently, Tommy Vercetti was supposed to appear in GTA San Andreas, but was cut because of the voice actor.
Rosenberg even mentions Tommy in one of the missions
2:06 Uhmm, that's not their office. That's just some scaffolding with a company name on them. They probably did some work on that building, that's all.
After Vice City's release, Ray Liotta, Tommy's voice actor, was bad mouthing Rockstar and complaining he didn't get paid enough considering how sucessful the game was.
One of the Houser, forgot which one, decided that Tommy had died off screen between Vice City and San Andreas.
This is the kind of stuff I used to theorize over back when I played these games in the 2000s. What do we even know about the cartel? That's where fanfiction can come into play with these games.
tbh kent paul states in his site(which was designed in 2002) smth like "i know I haven't mentioned about you tommy, but please don't hunt me down". Which pretty much assures that was pretty much alive and active in 2002, and considering the fact that by the end of gta 3(2001) every highly influential gang in that universe got disbanded one way or another, we can pretty much assume he is still active till this date.
Would be good to see him back in gta 6
Basically Vercetti owns Vice, AND LC, the moment he became top dog, and when he began to expand his entire real estate loop into the drug trade from Florida... Ingenius...
Yeah I think he gets really itchy when it's business like he made Jethro and Dwayne leave VC after buying their workplace gradually making them leave their jobs as boatyard worker in 1989. Mr truth states it in when recruiting them. And you're theory makes sense he never lets scums run things (after Lance betrayal). We could never get an ambitious character like Tommy 💜
3:32 THE STATE OF SAN ANDREAS WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF BOTH NEVADA AND CALIFORNIA
In one of the Sanandreas Mission Rosenberg was present and Completed a mission with Carl johnson. There Tommy Vercetti's name was mentioned "Just like old Times" Said by rosenberg. We can have an Idea from that also.
This means that after establishing success in one city, we were ruining our work in another.
That's a great guess👍So crazy Catalina was sponsored by Tommy Vercetti👍I see, Tommy and Catalina are very similar in that they are both violent activists😂But Tommy is smarter🤣
I'd also say Tommy is more calmer.
In chronological order of events:
GTA Vice City Stories
GTA Vice City
GTA San Andreas
GTA Liberty City Stories
GTA Advance
GTA 3
I think that we can see a sequel or a connection to this in GTA 6, and this connection may not stop there.
Let me add this: Catalina was Cesar's cousin and yes Cesar was Mexican but that doesn't mean she don't have Colombian family not mentioned in game... Yes Avery Carrington died in 1998 during the events of Liberty City Stories, but that like the video mentions never meant Tommy Vercetti couldn't have funded Pan-Lantic (which is likely a renaming of Avery Construction) as Tommy and Avery were both alive and well in 1992... Now Miguel calls Catalina baby in the mission where she shoots him and escapes... She definitely could have Colombian heritage as well as Mexican and be the "wife" of Miguel and thus run the Cartel that way... Now say Tommy was still funding Pan-Lantic even after 1998 since it would be profitable for his business in Vice City, and who did Tommy Vercetti take over for? Ricardo Diaz whom was Colombian (perhaps a small hint) and funded Avery Carrington who ran Pan-Lantic which seems to be above the cartel as while the leaders don't seem to like Donald Love after he ripped them off he technically got back rich because of the Pan-Lantic deal, which he got via Toni Cipriani's deeds...
okay, here's where you started getting it wrong:
1. Tommy does not need to return the favor to Avery, Avery is the one who's returning the favor to Tommy by teaching him about real estate. Remember the mission Riot? Avery said, "Son, you help and any greaseballs giving you hard time, I'll see to it they take a long dirt nap". So, it's obvious that Tommy helped Avery first, not the other way around
2. Tommy runs his own business, while Avery runs his own business. Avery is already a professional real estate mogul at that time, he even manages Shady Acres according to a radio advertisement, so he doesn't need any additional funding from Tommy which could put his real estate business at risk since Tommy's a drug kingpin. Just remember, Avery is already a successful professional real estate mogul so that's that, no denial. Also, Avery first established partnership with Panlantic in 1998, that was his first time having any connection with them... Unfortunately for him, he got killed by Toni under the order of Donald Love so there's absolutely no way that Tommy could have had any stakes in Panlantic nor does he actually has a share with Avery in his businesses (like I said, Tommy runs his own business, Avery runs his own business)
3. That mansion in VC reference in LCS could've simply implied that some members of Diaz's Gang, who are Colombians ofc, refused to take orders from Tommy and decides to move to Liberty City, where, conveniently, another Colombian Cartel operates at. I doubt Vercetti Gang consists of any Colombians since the accent of Tommy's goons ingame sounded more Italian-American so the Colombians must've been from Diaz's Gang
4. Catalina's sudden rise in fame could've simply be concluded by the fact that she's close to Miguel, NOT Tommy Vercetti. Like I said in number 3, Tommy DOES NOT have a connection with the Colombian Cartel and the members in LCS simply refused to work with Tommy after Diaz's death. There's a huge gap between 1992 and 2001 so this means Catalina and Claude could've met Miguel at anytime during that period. Knowing Catalina, she probably did try to flirt with Miguel just like he did with Claude, because she found out from people and whispers that Miguel is a Cartel member and later leader in 2000 (Cisco is the leader of the Cartel until 2000 where he died in GTA Advance, Miguel was possibly the Lieutenant which explains why he was able to claim leadership). We all know the obvious persona of Catalina, she's greedy an power hungry. She switched her love to Claude when she knew CJ had outlived his usefulness and will not fulfill Catalina's wish to gain more money. She abandons CJ for Claude because he's the perfect puppet for her to be able to rise in fame and eventually gained Miguel's trust for her to be able to become his right-hand woman.
I never thought that deeply about it! But I knew Tommy was alive in 2001. What I always thought about Catalina and Claude is that one job went terribly awry, and they had to flee to Mexico or even further south, and that's how they met Miguel and the cartel. I always liked that the cartel was mysterious. "Colombian Cartel" is not a specific name at all, likely on purpose. I often express my disagreement with the different universe thing, and here's where things get interesting: I think Tommy is dead by 2008 due to a major police raid. No way he'd be willing to go back to prison, so a Scarface-like battle it'd have been. And if the mansion isn't on Starfish Island in GTA 6, another simple explanation: authorities demolished it to keep him from having a legacy. Lester says, "That crew from the South, they all went down" when discussing people to hire for the jewel job. I've debated with others, but so far, I don't believe there exists a more formidable gang down there except for Vercetti's gang. Lester had to have known about Vercetti due to the bank job for the Malibu asset, or maybe Tommy pulled a few other heists after that. We discussed Lester that possibly meant a different area known as "South" as opposed to the Southeast US, but there also isn't mention of a Southwest US often. I recently made up one of those silly theories you mentioned, so I'll keep it to myself, or add it as a surprise in a fan fiction.
the Grand Theft Auto 3D games are not connected to the HD games
@@scarface3738 That was the biggest mistake they ever made. Either terrible or afterthought writing, since Florida existed in GTA IV but is now called Leonida. It's simple things like that which could've been implemented to prevent it.
There is no sequence to the games because Catalina and Claude are in San Andreas meaning San Andreas happened before grand theft auto three and vice city followed
I wonder if we will see Tommy in gta 6, I struggled to understand in the video but wud make sense as 6 will be vice city
@@theeterminator1702 two different universes bro. It wouldn’t be the Tommy we know. Think of it like a parallel universe
I hope vercetti returns on GTA VI
ya serious?
He was already 35 years old by 1986, so by 2025 he would be 74 years old.
Ray Liotta died last year so he won't be in VI. I expect nothing more than some easter eggs and references to the 80's, and some in game tribute to Liotta.
no he can't because GTA 6 is set in the in the HD universe
I understand that Lazlo appears in the 3D games and in the HD games but that's because there's two different versions of him in each universe. the HD Universe has references to the 3D games but those are just simple Easter eggs. so yeah GTA has separate universes 2D 3D in HD.
I am definitely in a court.
Tommy moved to rio and was killed by Tanner in Driv3r.
Pretty interesting. I'm really curious about GTA 6 and if there is going to be a connection to GTA VC's story in any way
No,old GTA games takes place in a different universe to current universe (started in Gta 4)
Bro complained about bizarre theories then outta nowhere says that Tommy financed both Panlantic and Donald when they actually were against each other 😂😂
You likely have over looked GTA Advance which is set in 2000
now it makes sense
Best GTA ever
Half the Video ist about Catalina...
ok ok what happend to Tommy. But what happened to your old vids? old channel?
Probably deleted or taken down.
what about the 1998 timeline?
How you got Jonny Sindacco listed as a Forelli 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ You gotta go over your stuff bro
Жду мод Shine o vice - она по времени действия находится между вайсом и сан андреасом с тройком, может там что-то прольют на их связи, в том числе колумбийский картель или еще что-то
I'm waiting for the Shine o Vice mod - it's set between Vice and San Andreas with III, maybe they'll shed some light on their connections, including the Colombian cartel or something else
I wanna know when the 911 of the gta universe happens lmfao 🤣
Nice Video, I like your channel ❤
Tommy died in 2022
So Tommy tried to kill phil in gta 3
Avery died in 1998 theory disproven
Vercetti gta6
Well explained
Catalina is doughter of Tommy. And will include in gta 6 with a story about Tommy becouse Ray are no more..
Perhaps, I never thought about it, although many will say it's crazy. Even before prison, Tommy could knock someone up, but still have relationship. And then his daughter, when he was in prison, began to travel around the country, visiting San Andreas, where she remained even after his release, until in '92, having learned about the cartel (at the same time, she knew about her father, and at that time he was already making contact with them) she decided to travel around the country again with her bf - with the final point in Liberty City, where they finally arrived in 2001.
The edits in your videos are amazing, but you full of bs sometimes dude.
Until you aint changing this, many people not gonna subscribe to your channel.
Sorry, facts. ✌️
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Wow
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