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- Mouse is better than controller right? It's not that simple when it comes to Titanfall 2
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Despite whether or not people agree on m+Kb or controller, I'm really happy that you brought up disabled gamers! I hadn't even thought of that, and I think most people haven't either, so thank you for broadening my perspective a bit on that!
The main advantage the kbm has over the controller is how easy it is to strafe jump. It makes movements much more controllable. It's still doable on a controller, but much harder to execute due to there not being a designated "left" and "right" key
I'm using a controller on Titanfall on PC as well :)
I use it because its what i played with on xbox. At least 700 hours on tf2 and put all that on pc
LOVE the video you helped me in Titanfall 2, KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK
I actually think that controller aim assist in Titanfall is OP. When you aim with muse it's hard to be so precise on that one little target mooving so fast. With controller you just aim at him and all shots hit him quite well, but with mouse you gotta be much more precise, you can aim at him but every shot can miss.
*AFTERWORD* - Would be great if you watched the whole video before making a comment that seeks to make an argument against something I actually covered and discussed that you just didn't bother to watch.
We didn’t even get into the skill and knowledge factor behind each player. There's a lot going on here, it's far from clear cut. Use what works best for you based on your personal situation. If you are an avid PC gamer consider stepping up your knowledge when it comes to your mouse and it's settings. It's a fun little process that has a big payoff for those looking to put in the time and research.
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Tony Mo aiming and moving are different, think about which fingers do you use for every action on joypad and kb+m. i moves the jump button to L1 some time ago and in tf and recent cod games it's better to me (i don't have a scuf).
Colorblind mode
Quick question, how does the controller hold up if you wanna learn advance movement techniques like air strafing & b hopping?
Tony Mo movement is considerably easier on controller imo so thats another pro for controllers
Tony Mo It's weird as hell that you made this video, today. I was just having this discussion with a friend of mine.
Excellent vid. Lots of questions answered Tony
Controllers have aim assist regardless MK don't have it on? and your mouse pad comment is just stupid I have a 6 inch one and it works perfectly fine in titanfall? Controllers are only better in rare areas example darksouls because that game really wants the joystick for movement and no fighting games want a fight pad (If anyone uses that), racing games is an irrelevancy as you don't need the 360 movement. MK is objectively superior than game pads. it is just a fact there is evidence of this they had a tourney of titanfall one xbox vs pc and the xbox players got destroyed really bad. This is just really confusing? Why did you step into the stupid puddle?
I am having issues with getting ny logitech controller to work for this game anyway to get tge controller to work
Titanfall is actually kinda built fir controller because it was originally released on xbox 360
Pauli Järvinen released on XB1 ported to the 360*
i use 2 mouse mat since i don't have an extended mouse mat
Is 32 and 6 good on console?
the only problem is that i have no idea how to connect an xbox controller to pc
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Why are ur enemies appearing yellow?
Yusuf khot this is colorblind option turned on
BCTRGaming oh okay...
why bother making this video?..please do ur research, you can turn aim assist off on tf2 on console..maybe you should actually play this game every now and then. not being mean but it seems like u dont have the most experience in the game and are just hindering ppl by giving out the wrong or slightly wrong information..its ok though its a real fun game u should try it lol :)
+Garth Orthman hahaha
Dont even have a mouse pad
minecraft and world of tanks is better on keyboard. Few things to say. Controller is Shit
PC has better aim but is trash to player movement. The keyboard can NEVER be as precise as the analog stick.
You cannot aim and move as well as you can on KB+M
Aim? No. Move? Way better on a controller.
I believe you are be sarcastic, aren't you?
Look up quake 3/quake live footage and educate yourself
I watched it... The movement is still inferior to a controller.
Been playing on PC for years, on some shooters I used mouse and keyboard, but, on Titanfall and Titanfall 2, always used a controller. It just doesn't feel right to use M+K for whatever reason.
The thing which makes the controller kinda work here on PC is mostly just aim assist.
Remove that, and you're fucked.
Finally someone putting this up! I hate the PC douchbags that always say that M+KB is always better, but no. It's not! It's all about personal preference. I have been PC gamer my whole life, just 3 years ago did i join the Xbox Family. Oh gosh, after i got my Xbox i spend less and less time on PC and more and more time on Xbox. I just love the controller vibrating gently in my hands :)
C.A.R SMG exactly
glad to see you enjoy your platform of choice. However facts are facts, m+k is more precise. Sure so game are great for controller (I play risk of rain and other arcade games with a controller), but the fact of the matter is that controller only competes in titanfall because of the incredibly strong aim assist, disable that and you're at a HUGE disadvantage
ShadowWarrior42 I fully agree, however, to call someone "not a real gamer" simple because they compare things is maybe a bit harsh. would I not be a gamer if I compared my 1060 and previous 770? would I lose my gamer status by comparing my brothers ps4 and my friends Xbox1? comparing things is just something humans do. and after comparisons are made conclusions are drawn. in this case, m+k gives you more precision over controllers. but, that doesn't mean m+k is supreme, as I said I often use controllers for games that don't require precise clicking.
ShadowWarrior42 Completely agreed! :)
Wow that's a lot to unpack, lucky for you I rather and have some time on my hands ;). Now then, so you say comparing software is okay, but you didn't touch on whether or not comparing hardware is okay. Just would like some clarification on that one as I believe it to be a-okay, provided you aren't putting others down but instead pointing out objective truths.
In regards to your second point, yup. Fuck those guys, but please realize they exist on both sides. There are ignorant fools on console as well as pc that will refuse to educate themselves on the pros and cons of other platforms. But I only wonder one thing, how exactly is pointing out a pro m+k has over controller (precision) a bad or elitist thing to do? Sure the people in this thread may not have been the nicest but does that really detract form their point?
4 eh? That's pretty great man, brings back to when I three playing stars battlfront on the ps2 with my older brother, good times. And seeing how your paragraph talks about your gaming history, let's do this. Ahem, like I said, when I was three up until I was 9 I played the ps2 and GameCube, this moved to the Wii and ps3 and a year later the Xbox360. I spent nearly all my free time on these systems. Play a little ratchet and clank here, then some halo there followed by some super metroid on the Wii. Then, when I was 12 my brother bought me a copy of mine craft. From there it was a general progression until I got here, my humble pc, and my humble library. But you did make some interesting points here I would like to address, first off the community. I'm just wondering, have you had many interactions with them outside yt comments? Sure there are bad eggs just as there are on Xbox. But have you ever been to r/pcmasterrace? Have you ever been in a pc titanfall lobby, are a csgo lobby. Let me putt it this way, before I started playing csgo, I had 5 steam friends, after 90+. Sure you could say that was only one game but if csgo, said to be one of the toxic competitive fps games out there can have that sort of effect on me, then imagine what a game said to have a better community is like (spoilers:pretty fucking good). Don't knock a community you haven't participated in. And as for the hackers, not as bad as you'd think. While pc is indeed an open platform there are many many different ways of combating cheats, so no, it isn't some rampant problem. And finally, you'd be surprised at what you can run on old hardware. For example, I spent about $500 dollars on my pc when I first bought it. And believe it or not, I was able to play pretty much any game I wanted, new or old (I had a 770 and and ivy bridge I5). Sure, I have upgraded since then but that's the beauty of pc. I'm not locked to anything, yes I could've played all the same games I play now, just like how an Xbox will continue to play games in the future, but I decided what experience I was going to have, and I chose a better one. Btw the $500 dollar pc drastically outperformed the two current consoles.
Anyways I do really enjoy this conversation so far, hope my point is clear as well. Best of luck comrade
You really don't need a huge mouse at. Coming from someone with some solid of experience in Titanfall 2, I can say that you really only need 7-8 inches of space. The mouse you showed had more than enough space, and if you really need that much, then your sensitivity is probably too low. And seriously, if you turned off the enormous aim assist in TF2 on controllers than M+KB would beat it every time. Controllers rely on that huge crutch.
This is the worst argument. I don't mind people who want to play with a controller but your argument goes out the window with the whole "aim Assist" if you remove aim assist what is better a M&K or a controller? A lot of people would be really shock to know their aim is really bad it it wasn't for Aim Assist. at least with a M&K i know i have the precision not some background program partially making me do something.
I'm on PC, so naturally mouse and key board is the way to go. But do to my rheumatoid arthritis I cant use them more than ten minutes with my hands feeling like someone is drive a burning knife threw my knuckles! Controller compatible games have been a life saver, and is actuality my prefered way to play now a days. Especially with Ttianfall :D
Look up the steam controller if you want more precision. I use it in multiplayer games all the time and you can do pretty well with practice.
I have to agree with you. I got TF2 on PS4, and played for a couple of months, before getting to try it on PC at a mates place. I was utter trash with MnK, plugged in a PS4 controller and went to town. I was pretty surprised to be honest, but happy all the same.
That's probably because if you use a controller on the PC version, you still get aim assist. You'll obviously do better if the game is aiming for you.
It's called aim "assist" for a reason. Because it assists you, not does it for you. Even with aim assist, MnK should be superior enough for it to be really tough.
i notice aim assist with mouse too but less and its probably because of muscle memory i was playing bf 1 at a friends house on his ps4 and my aim was hoorible but after about half an hour i was getting way better
NZdude alot of people that play on public servers are terrible. no one listens for things like footsteps and callouts.
Haha always gotta be that one DB that dislikes. Oh well you made some fantastic points here. While I just recently joined the "MasterRace" as they like to put it, I still use my Elite controller every chance I get. I'm simply not good with a mouse and keyboard and TBH the keyboard hurts my damn hands. I wish every game on PC supported controllers so I didn't have to be forced to use a input device that I personally can't stand. Now let the PC MR DBags come at me.
The difference isn't between games being designed specifically for a controller, it's about aim assist. Keyboard and mouse gives you no advantage over a controller if an fps has aim assist.
As for the mouse pads, for casual players a regular mouse pad is fine. You can get both fine control and huge sweeps in very small space. What you're talking about, huge pads and low sensitivity, is for competitive players.
seeing Alternator ads hurts me a little inside.
I have a tiny mousepad, big mousepads are always so stupidly pricy
If you say you are better with a controller in shooters it's only because of the auto aim thingy. That's the only reason. If you actually took the time and practiced to use a mouse you will realise how much better it is. I used to play on xbox 360 but after buying a pc and playing with mouse for couple of years I can't use controllers in a shooter anymore. It's just doesn't have the same precision and gets really frustrating
Except this is a movement based game, it isn't all about aiming. Quick movements are much easier on controller, keyboard is clunky as hell. There's pros and cons.
Who agrees there will be an argument between PC players and console players
Quick summary... If you want to be casual or are disabled, a controller will work just fine. If you want to be a pro player you'll need a high quality mouse and keyboard, the proper space, along with optimized settings in order to succeed.
99% of players are casual, switching to mouse and kb isn't going to make you good, just ever so slightly better, but most people are shit so.
Controllers shouldn't be allowed to play with m+k.
Auto aim bullshit.
odinata its not autoaim. it's aim assist. there's a difference.
I play on pc and I love my controller and I will never give it up for a mouse and keyboard
biocore 15 Your funeral
I agree with most of this, personally I find movement easier with a controller even with a 12 inch mouse pad just because it reduces the risk of cramping and pressing the wrong key. I play on PC with a controller and still end up mid to the top of the leaderboards.
pc doesn't have aim assist I don't think
I like M + KB better but a good player with controller is going to do well on PC still.
I like controller (mostly cause i play on xbox) but i really want to be able to use mouse+keyboard so i can effectively aim while moving really well. Also, custom binds.
You just taught me why people carry on so much about mouse/keyboard (and how to properly use them in future, after a bit more homework).
I think it's everyone think if they are good with mouse or controler. Me personally SUCK with controler but as a m+kb I can beat enemies with no problem So Its just a matter if you like controler or not
i only have a pc no xbox or ps4. but i do use the xbox 360 controller for games like rocket league i dont use the controller for fps games but thats just because im more used to mouse and keyboard.
the reason i did go to pc was because i got a lot of free parts from family so it was way cheaper i got a pc thats worth around 1100 euros for 550 euros
and my previous favourite game didnt have any aim assist and was only on ps4 and pc
and it was a pretty taxing game to run. like 2 to 19 fps drops sometimes on ps4(on my pc around 42 fps)
my specs(in case somebody cares):
i5 6600 8gb ram
gtx 1060 6gb
240gb ssd (has titanfall 2 and os on it)
2tb hdd
mouse: corsair sabre rgb optical
kb: random old Qompac kb i found on the attic
monitor: one of those old 4:3 monitors 1280 x 1024
mouse mat: none
now join pc masterrace konsole plebs jk :P
Hey Toney, I’m not sure if you’ve ever played wow, but I’m a fairly competent arena player and raider. I’ve played wow for about 12 years. I play one of the more mobile classes in the game and I have probably 25+ binds.
I bought an xbox and this game for my son for Christmas and have fallen in love with this game while watching him play. Do you (or anyone reading this comment) think that the transition from wow to this game would be smooth since I’ve only played kb+m for the last 12 years?
I played Titanfall 1 on PC with a controller and only played like a couple matches with mouse and keyboard and I still pub stomped most players. And if you think it was Cuz I'm playing against noobs I'm currently rocking a 2.3 kd in Titanfall 2 against pilots and I'm gen 7
I have both an Xbox One and a gaming PC and I honestly enjoy both platforms. People who say that consoles are trash don't realize how much money consoles make. Without consoles, there wouldn't be as much financial incentive to make most triple A titles. PC sales account for a tiny part of overall sales for most games, so even though a game might look and run better on a PC, consoles are what make most games a good financial investment for developers. I'm just glad Respawn made Titanfall 2 practical and competitive for controllers on each platform so gamers like me can feel right at home no matter what accessory I'm using.
I respect controller user who is actually good at the game without using hemlock or devotion and hide behind the A-Wall with a sentry turret all the time.(never said m+kb is better, but controller just feel cheap on PC with insane aim-assist in certain game)
I dont find it to be quite true in your argument that a controller user will perform just as well when in PC. I also use controller on PC just because I like fps on controllers and I do really well. But it is also important to consider the skill difference between players in consoles and pc. From experience, the average PC player is much more skilled than the average players in consoles or even above-average, and I think the reason lies in the kb+m and controller difference. kb+m is definitely objectively better. Although that does not mean that the controller users do not stand a chance at all, as you have stated in the vid, the game has been optimized quite well to fit with controller as well. Its just that i think controller users will have to work harder to meet the same skill level as kb+m.
i understand that your argument also includes that not all PC players have the ideal setup, but its less about the equipment and moreso on how the equipment is designed to be used. Even if a player's setup restrains his mouse movement to wrist only to aim and whatnot, that still has more control over the finger-only method that controller uses to aim.
U a lie nga...
Movements are wayyy better on the PC... im talking from experience. Bunny hoping wall running are easier on the PC, cause l tried tf2 alpha test on the ps4
I mean yeah, if you match a player who is good at the game and using a controller vs a player who is bad at the game and using a M+K, then sure the controller will win. However, matching two people of equal skill against eachother will lead to the player with the M+K winning a majority of the time.
Joystick for movement.
Mouse for Aim.
Xirberus Mouse and keyboard are better for both movement and aim.
Lmfao, that's the definition of an elitist right there. Saying movement is better on keyboard when you can move in LITERALLY infinite less directions than a controller is just blind ignorance.
Zanaki as far as I know there are many manoeuvres that almost impossible on controller
Eli V I only know of ones that are harder on keyboard, But maybe thats because I use paddles.
Though i would say keyboard will always be better, I wreck majority of people i play against on pc with a controller
I appear to be fast af boi.
What?
I have nothing worthwhile to say about the vid. Heh, can't believe you read that.
this is my first fps i tried to play with a controller and im not doing that bad, i am last on the leaderboard but i still get some kills, ill get better, its so fun to play on a controller.
Say what you will about the aiming and stability issues, you'll simply have a better time using a keyboard ssince you don't need to stop aiming in order to jump like you do with a controller, unless you claw which can give you wrist pains or an elite controller which is extremely expensive and will not last long at all.
*_"you don't need to stop aiming in order to jump like you do with a controller"_*
Titanfall's always had a bumper jumper layout, where you jump with LB/L1. You don't need to take your finger off the stick.
I have a mouse pad the size of my desk but the only reason I have it is because it was on sale
you don't need a large mouse pad lmao, your hands are resting on Mouse and KB
I really want this game but the insane accuracy of hip fire annoys me
i thought aim-assist in a PC game was a big no-no.
+Farq S Respawn has been one of the few devs who seem to say oh well lol. To be more accurate it is only for the controller users so I guess they see it as partially leveling the playing field
@@ToneyMo i dont mind that, but let controller players play with themselves (lol).
Because this aim assist is actually as effective as real aim bot on pc. Or may be i just saw an actual cheaters, but anyways.
Also, controller gives you some movement capabilities, that arent possible on KB&M and quite OP if you can master them. The same comes for KB&M (you can do some stuff that controller players cant), but those things are useless in usual mutliplayer, so controller is also better for movement.
Summary: controller is just disgustingly OP against KB&M, and i dont understand why you can play against controller players while using KB&M.
lil bro didnt even mentioned aim assist on controller.
Its effectively the same as having an actual aim bot.
Yeah controller players often dominate PC lobbies, same problems that apex has, if im not mistaken
the only thing I hate about pc gaming is that everyone that plays pc thinks their the ultimate well consoles have their benefits too and yeah we might not have the best graphics but from the time i was 5 and my dad brought home a N64 I have loved console and thats all I play.
Tim Alexander Well, they're not talking about old consoles when they say that they suck.
shooting games like Titanfall, battlefield, etc are more about positioning and game sense.
Reason over Dogma and aim.
im pretty good but the matchmaking just sucks
why are the enemies highlighted in yellow instead of orange?
I play with a controller and gosh its so fun
i also bbelievd the opposite that controller players have better movement than usbmouse and key0 users
XXCOLLOSSUSXX 777 wrong
I have a small desk space with a small mouse pad and I'd much rather play Titanfall 2 with my keyboard and mouse instead of an Xbox controller. I personally find the mouse and keyboard better to play with rather than a controller. I played the Titanfall 2 tech test on my Xbox one and I was uncomfortable with the controller and I felt like I was being hindered by using it. But that's just me
What button layout were you using on Xbox? If you were using default, then your struggles were your own fault.
Tainted Knives I was using the default layout but that wouldn't have solved anything by changing it. My troubles were found in movement and accuracy with the controller which I found uncomfortable. I do like any game that I play better on my mouse and keyboard because I like the responsiveness, it's mostly my personal opinion because after playing on console for all my life and once I switched to PC last year I feel in love with the mouse and keyboard.
What do you you normally play on Xbox 1 or PC?
why are the hit point bars yellow instead of red
I find it amusing how players bitch and moan about the smart pistol but are perfectly ok with aim assist.
hey tony, think you can try making thematic loadouts sometime? and by thematic loadouts, i mean loadouts made with almost no thought given to thepracticality of said loadout beforehand, only made to fit a certain look or theme.
as an example, i have made 4 loadouts based off of the main characters from RWBY, which was actually how i really got into using the cold war and the holopilot from Blake's loadout
how do you change the color or your enemys
yo tony could you play with the cold war?
6:19 matchmaking in titanfall? = th-cam.com/video/L2quonm59Kc/w-d-xo.html
Being a PC player (Krillboy_UK) with its low player count I'm seeing alot of familiar names your killing lol.
That being said being killed by the aim assist from a pad is very annoying when you see it kicking in (thinking the likes of eject kills). hackers, low player and hit registration (death behind a wall seems to be a much bigger issue compared to other shooters for me) count are far bigger issue.
what about controller and mouse
Good Video, good discussion.
As a Titanfall PC Player, I actually play with a PS4 controller, Titanfall PC supports this by default. I know without a shadow of a doubt that I would fair terribly with KBM, purely because I spent the majority of my youth playing on consoles, it's what i'm accustomed it's what I'm comfortable with.
That said, having played overwatch on PC where controllers are at an obvious disadvantage, it is refreshing to see Respawn allow such freedom to it's players and undoubtley as you have said in competitive play a controller will loose every day of the week and twice on sunday's.
PC play in general, is just faster than console and using a controller in that environment and doing well, at least to me is impressive.
So I've played with both input methods. I started playing with a 360 controller, as I did with TF1. I did just as well as I do with KB+M. My controller broke and I was forced to use KB+M. After a while I find that while I did terribly at first it was because the guns I playing. When I use KB+M I can't deal with some weapons like the alternator. I have to use guns like the volt. Anyway, I went back after a while because I bought an elite controller. It feels wrong. I feel like the controller is a lot slower and hinders my movement. I find I can't multitask anywhere near as well (i.e. wallrun and shoot) like I can with a keyboard and mouse. But that's just me.
In Titanfall 2 in particular, there are advanced controller settings that allow you to customize the exact deadzone sizes and placements, as well as how fast your characters turns at any given amount of tilt, where those changes/gradients lie on the right stick, and even the sizes of the gradients themselves, as well as different sensitivities for hip/ADS. This allows you to effectively treat the diameter of the right stick as your "18 inch mouse pad" and the stick itself as any permutation of minor/major mouse movements at the same time. Coupled with 360 degree movement and analog of the left stick (vs 8-way always full jog WASD), I'm going to stick with my controller, even at tourneys.
HOWEVER. With KB+M, more of your fingers are able to reach more keys, allowing for more and different combinations of inputs at the same time, and greater customization over what fingers govern what inputs. Titanfall 2 and shooters in general are far more than simply looking, moving, and aiming. But like I said, on the subject of Titanfall 2 in particular, I believe the enhanced right stick options mitigate the mouse's advantages.
8-9 inch... closer to 8-9 cm
I use Steam Controller on PC pretty much exclusively. I'd say once you get used to it the disparity between aim accuracy and reaction is much less than with a normal controller vs mouse.
+ExistentialEgg I've been on the fence about the team controller for, well forever haha. Need to make it a priority and give it a chance
It has a learning curve but once you understand all the settings and find your sweet spot it's the most accurate and responsive controller out there.
I think aiming with the mouse is a lot better but when wall riding around maps a controller joystick can do a diagonal movement whereas keyboard needs W and S or D which can be difficult to press naturally on a fast paced game like Titanfall.
you can also strafe with a mouse, which you can't do on a controller.
If you used an elite controller on your pc, how would you get the paddles to work. Is there some sort of program that you have to run in the background or something or did my pc just not reccognize the paddles on my controller.
I have spent thousands of hours with a controller playing first person shooters. I personally prefer playing with a controller. But that's just my preference. I could learn to use a mouse and keyboard and probably will at some point. But I do see the accuracy benefits of a mouse. Great vid tony!
Thank you!
aim assist, enough said.
This is one of the most controller friendly games ever some time i just like to sit back in my lazy-boy and flick the sticks and i still put up a respectable score but its sad how hard its becoming to find games other game types on pc other than attrition
Im on Pc. And Im used to controller and I want to change over to M+K (get gud) . Any tips??
I am going to play on pc
What setting do you use to make enemies health that color?
+KNGSHxT the very first colorblind setting
Tony Mo Thank you!
Tony Mo u right bro, Titanfall 2 + PlayStation 4 = EEEPIIIIC
I also play on ps4
the reason why he is often at the top is not because the controller works just as well, but because there are lots of new people playing at the moment and plus he has aim assist.
ha 13th like
what's the name of the opening music?
Gabriel Santos Darude Sandstorm
the sensitivy is low enough that on 3 for ps4 i can flip on someone, but tight enough to aim perfectly
Why are your enemy's yellow and not red?
MAVL Man color blind settings
Aim assist always wins.
CAnt beat the cheat
+odinata you should do some research on how aim assist works. It's hardly a cheat.
odinata is called an assist, not autoaim. different games implement different. basically, your crosshair slows that when moved across the target. it's not lock on. I used it before on. ps4. is not remotely as good as people give it credit for.
it was awesome commentary dude. U helped me make a.decision to buy ps 4
Tony Mo
Whos your favourite/best titan?
how did he make the enemies yellow?
colour blind settings
What's that intro song? I love the retro stuff