@@tressteleg1 The new Tram at minute 1:05 was introduced in 1988 and it took years to be established in all lines. So this film isn't from 1986, or at least not entirely.
My first visit to Stuttgart was Saturday 2nd August 1997. The first of the U Bahns that I rode was a meter gauge GT4 on the line 15, from Hauptbahnhof to Milchhof, which was not yet "U15" until the GT4s were withdrawn from regular service. Just about every underground station at the time had a low floor section for the GT4s and a high floor section for the newer DT8s. I can still remember back to February 2007 when the line 15 GT4s stopped at Eugensplatz where the German YHA affiliate hostel is located. Back then, there was a dedicated section of the street that was blocked off, while the GT4s stopped, and riders were expected to climb up and down the steps. The newer stepless platforms for the Eugensplatz station were under construction at the time and when the meter gauge GT4s went out of service, the U15 used the stepless platforms ever since. As far as I know, the meter gauge tracks remain along bits of line 15, but only for Sunday heritage exhibition service as line 23, from Bad Cannstatt to Ruhbank, passing by Eugensplatz. I look forward this next month to visit Stuttgart once again and ride the line 23 to Ruhbank and back.
The time of gauge conversion was an interesting time in Stuttgart. Some of the special trackwork was quite remarkable. Also remarkable is that some of the dual gauge has been retained for tourist service, as you say. I would be surprised if any other city has done so much to keep their history alive. It’s just a pity that they don’t bother putting the tourist route on the transport map. Stuttgart was unlike any other German tramway, so I visited it several times over the years. Consequently I have a few vIdeos on TH-cam covering these visits. If you have not already seen them, you may find them more easily from the link below. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
How weird would it be to see oneself in one of those 80s videos! 30 odd years younger. I was the same age as those kids at 26:32 back then. Good times! There are hardly any videos from 80s Stuttgart. And an Aussie is providing us with 80s Stuttgart footage. How cool is that? Good on ya, mate!
It seems I had movie and video long before most other railfans. In fact some were still taking black and white photos at that time. And what do people want to look at today? Not B&W photos! 😄
I'd lived in Stuttgart off and on for some 20 years and enjoyed your video of the trams very much. The scenes bring back many pleasant memories. I loved Stuttgart in the 70s.
Yes it was a very interesting city Tramway, with the hills, GT4s and other unique trams standing it out from most German cities which were flat and with often almost identical Duwag trams running.
@@tressteleg1 Even today it is worth a visit. there is regular museum traffic on meter gauge with grandiose views. Also the only rack tram on public road (rt. N° 10 to Degerloch).
I have no doubt about that. Stuttgart must win the prize for spending the most money to keep vintage trams in operation, and I am especially referring to the many kilometres of metre/mixed gauge track kept in operating order for them to run on.
@@tressteleg1 The current total length of the two museum rts. N°21 & 23 (all mixed gauge tracks) is approximately 21 km. Rt. N° 21 (the city loop) is expected to be out of service until 2023 due to controversial project "Stuttgart 21" follow-up construction works.
Is 21 km the total length of the ride out and back, or the distance from the museum to the terminus? Or even if the terminus is just 10.5 km away it’s still a very impressive ride and from memory on quite hilly lines.
The dual-gauge trackwork was really fascinating, especially when seeing these complicated sections. When I was going to Stuttgart by bus then I always picked the bus to Feuerbach and there I spontaneously decided about how to get into the city centre ... S-Bahn S6 (still in love of the old VT-420 train design), or the tram - usually it was the wider DT-8, not sure if the old GT4 was also still going to Stadtmitte - it was mostlikely in the end of the 80s and later. At 27:19 it is interesting to see a Mercedes O 305 GT trollleybus. Never seen one before in Stuttgart. But well, mostlikely I was also more over from the area of Feuerbach-Zuffenhausen and then going from there to the centre by S-Bahn or U-Bahn. Thanks a lot for sharing these amazing video clips. And figuring out that Eszet was a company in Stuttgart. I am still remembering the Eszet-Schnitten to place these chololate slices on a bread or bun with butter, hehe. Nowadays it's made by another big player in the chocolate industry but still keeping the name Eszet.
I am pleased that you have enjoyed my videos about Stuttgart. My German language knowledge is not very strong so Google translated your first message to me. I also thought the complexities of the dual gauge track was quite remarkable. That’s why I spent so much time at Berliner Platz. Thanks for all your anecdotes. I did a few more videos from my visits to Stuttgart in the past, and if you have not already seen them, you may find them more easily here. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
The company Eszet was a cocoa and chocolate factory in Untertürkheim (today a district of Stuttgart). From the initials of the surnames of the two founders Ernst Staengel d. Ä. (1827-1915) and his brother-in-law Karl Ziller gave rise to the well-known brand name "Eszet" (in german spelled "S"-"Z"). The most famous product are the Eszet wafers, which first came onto market in 1933. These are thin bars of chocolate intended as a topping for rolls or bread. Nowadays they are manufactured by the current owner, Stollwerck, since 1975.
Very good - remember visiting in the early 70s with three other youthful British enthusiasts and couldn't get over how friendly and proud the tramway staff were. We were welcomed into one depot where the manager had been a war time pilot with appropriate photos in his office! The organisation seemed extremely paternalistic with its own social housing and tramway band. They were keen to emphasise that the GT4s were stove enamelled an not just painted. Still remember the basic german they tought us - luft bremse etc. etc. - happy days
Thanks for that. I’m not surprised that management was very proud of their system. I guess the same attitudes continue today otherwise the considerable expense in maintaining some metre gauge track for the historic cars would not exist. I guess you have seen my earlier video ‘Stuttgart trams 1975 and 1981’ which would cover some of your the atmosphere of your earlier trip when some fourwheelers were still running.
You filmed one of the only 3 Mercedes O 305 GTD Duobusses, Number 308 was also a former Kerb Guided Trolleybus Prototypes at the Rastatt O-Bahn test track. Also many Thanks for Filming the loop at Mineralbäder, was searching for Fotos or Videos of it for Ages!
😊👍 Sometimes it seems that my camera captures, purely by chance , something quite unusual in some City I visit. I’m pleased to fill your knowledge gap of Mineralbäder. I also remember riding one of the duobuses there at some stage. It seemed odd that the diesel engine started up and ran for a few minutes every now and then, then all was quiet again.
@@tressteleg1 I was Born in 1993 and lived in Denkendorf so i grew up with the O405 GTD Duobusses, which ended service in 2008. The loop itself was already in my knowledge but hard to find Pictures of it. Until the early 1980s the loop was even bigger and accesable from the other side as well. imgur.com/a/jJFsRzL I think 1991 or 1992 the loop and the curve was removed as far as my informations goes. 1993 for the International Garden Exhibition the today used tracks at the Mercedesstraße junction were added and used.
I rode to Denkendorf in 1975 on the END tram, long before your time! I have a couple of minutes of movie film of the END but have not done anything with it so far. The tram was replaced by duo buses which used overhead wire to climb the hill but at the top the wire suddenly ended and the buses continue on their way, I think using diesel. As for Mineralbäder, with the gradual phasing out of metre gauge, the need for all the loops there gradually disappeared. A pity, because it was quite a complex arrangement there, as shown in your diagrams.
@@tressteleg1 The Duobusses ran on their Wires up to the stop called "Nellinger Linde" then switched to Diesel for the rest of their Journeys to Denkendorf or Neuhausen. Maybe you know it already, the Duobusses are back but now it´s the Line 113 which uses the Wires to this stop and then takes the route to Berkheim instead of Nellingen. The both former Duobus lines 119 and 120 are no longer served by the SVE, and the new Company which serves them doesn´t intend to buy Trolleybusses for these Routes. The New Duobusses in Esslingen are Solaris Trollinos with Batteries instead of the Diesel Engines. SVE is if I recall it correctly up to buy 40 new Trolley/Battery Busses to run completly on Electric Power until 2030
Thank you for that update. Sometimes it is hard to find out the latest workings so far from my home. I seem to recall reading that the Stuttgart standard gauge Trams never ran to Untertürkheim. I looked at Google Street view and followed the trolley bus wires there but could not recognise where the trolleybuses used to meet the trams. The loop at the terminus seems very much different. It’s nice to know that trolleybuses with batteries still climb the steep Hill. Google Street view has never covered those streets so I could not look for trolley bus wire or anything. I think I took a video scene or two of the duo buses where the wires ended. If so I will have to include it with the next Stuttgart trams video.
Interesting conversion period! I tried looking up if the metre guage was still being used but couldn't find a good answer, the GT4 stock has been disused but I did see a recent picture showing the dual guage was still in place at the Rathaus station.
Normally in summer, the tram museum operates meter gauge trams on a reasonably long tourist line which includes some of the underground stations. How are you looked for a map, but nobody seems to have bothered producing one To show where the ride goes. A pity. In western Australia
Sorry that escaped before editing... (Nothing to do with WA). I have some more video of a later visit to Stuttgart and if I remember I will ask my contact there for a map of the tourist route.
My German contact says there is no map but he will prepare one. He thinks the vintage trams have resumed and this is their main route. “The ride starts at the museum (Straßenbahnmuseum), goes via Mittnachtstraße, Schlossplatz, Charlottenplatz, Eugensplatz, Bubenbad towards Ruhbank (Fernsehturm), with additional stop at Budapester Platz on the way back.”
@@tressteleg1 There exists a 2nd metric line from Mineralbäder via Staatsgalerie and Berliner Platz to Central Station (as a so called) city loop (= line N° 21). But this route is actually (since 2016) out of service because of underbreak (contruction of S21). It will be hopefully reopened by ca. 2023.
From Australia, it is hard to work out what is what. Information on Stuttgart trams is not the best. I am working on my final visits of 1989 and 1992. How well did you know Stuttgart in those days?
Also I really like all the comments you tell at the video, they’re helpful! Thanks to Gerhard Wandel too. Interesting that the SSB decided to name the lines without the U for the converted ones for some time. I prefer this, the lesser letters the better, ahaha.
When those videos were made, the Internet was not even a science fiction dream. I put those comments on the tapes so friends could borrow them, watch them when they wanted, and I did not have to be there to explain anything. Now when I take video, I know that people anywhere in the world might see it, they may not be good with spoken English but probably can read it okay. So there is more written information now but nothing spoken. My final vintage Stuttgart video is in preparation at the moment covering 1989 and 1992.
The reason for the (later) introduction of the "U" before the number was that one wanted to exclude the confusion with the S-Bahn-numbering. F.e.: rt. N° 1 (old) vs. U1 (= Stadtbahn) vs. S1 (= S-Bahn).
@@Miquel-ew1nw I suppose that a major reason for distinguishing standard gauge routes by adding the U was so that passengers at stops served by both Metre gauge and standard gauge trams would know whether to wait at the low platform for metre gauge or the raised platform for standard gauge vehicles.
There was a tram accident with a truck in Untertürkheim in the mid 80s where a schoolmate of mine was killed. He must have been 7ish. Did you happen to hear about it, too?
That's right. These three prototypes (DT8.1 to 8.3) ran between 1983 and 1985 in Stuttgart, only on line n° 3. (Before in service at Albtalbahn Karlsruhe from 1982 until 1983). They were scrapped by 1990; except n° 3001 (only A-unit) and 3006 (B-unit).
@@Miquel-ew1nw did SSB have any aborted plan of testing them in the line 1 or 14? At least did the units have its destinations inside the prototypes’s info systems?
@@frankiii9165 There was no need to do so because as rt. N° 3 was converted fully to standard gauge (on Sept., 28th., 1985), there were already enough type DT8.4 delivered. The rts. N° 1 & 14 were converted later: on April, 19th., 1986 or July, 12th., 1986. And as far as the displays (prototypes) in the interior are concerned, I have to investigate at appropriate opportunity. By the way: only N° 3001/02 had inside so called roll bands, if this was Your question.
@@Miquel-ew1nw Interesting! So they proved enough that the DT8 design prototypes worked well and ordered the DT8.4 immediately? My question was in fact if they programmed or added into the prototypes info systems the routes 1 and 14. But as you said probably they didn’t do that for logical reasons.
Interesting look at a complicated system, although I assume it got simpler. Do the standard gauge cars have dual level floors in the doorways to cater for high and low level platforms? Cheers
Stuttgart was somewhat more complex because of the gradual change from metre gauge to standard gauge, a process which finished around 2013. The standard gauge trams are all high platform and except for a couple of stretches of dual metre and standard gauge track retained for vintage tram operation, there are no low-level platforms.
absolutely fascinating. the odd shaped b is the same as double s, for those who don't know. i'm under the impression that the odd shaped b is getting phased out.
That's not right: the letter "ß" exists as well, f.e. in the well known word "Straßenbahn" (= tramway). By 1991 there have been a reform and from then only in certain german words the "ß" is replaced by "ss".
@@Miquel-ew1nw , okay i stand corrected. thanks for putting me straight. so only some will be converted to double s. why is this so? how is it decided what converts to double s and what remains as an odd b shape?
@@vsvnrg3263 In german language there are long-spoken vowels like in "Hose" (=pants) and short as in "Küsse" (=kisses). For the rule, when to write "ss" or "ß", we combine both: Following a long vowel or double sound a sharp s, then one writes "ß". - And when double-s ? ... Following the sharply spoken "s" after a short vowel one writes "ss".
That is so cool to see all these places and how they looked back then. Brings back memories...
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
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@@tressteleg1 The new Tram at minute 1:05 was introduced in 1988 and it took years to be established in all lines. So this film isn't from 1986, or at least not entirely.
No wrong.. i thought it was number 4. The number 14 was introduced indeed in 1986, shortly after number 1.
We can’t always remember everything perfectly…
My first visit to Stuttgart was Saturday 2nd August 1997. The first of the U Bahns that I rode was a meter gauge GT4 on the line 15, from Hauptbahnhof to Milchhof, which was not yet "U15" until the GT4s were withdrawn from regular service. Just about every underground station at the time had a low floor section for the GT4s and a high floor section for the newer DT8s. I can still remember back to February 2007 when the line 15 GT4s stopped at Eugensplatz where the German YHA affiliate hostel is located. Back then, there was a dedicated section of the street that was blocked off, while the GT4s stopped, and riders were expected to climb up and down the steps. The newer stepless platforms for the Eugensplatz station were under construction at the time and when the meter gauge GT4s went out of service, the U15 used the stepless platforms ever since. As far as I know, the meter gauge tracks remain along bits of line 15, but only for Sunday heritage exhibition service as line 23, from Bad Cannstatt to Ruhbank, passing by Eugensplatz. I look forward this next month to visit Stuttgart once again and ride the line 23 to Ruhbank and back.
The time of gauge conversion was an interesting time in Stuttgart. Some of the special trackwork was quite remarkable. Also remarkable is that some of the dual gauge has been retained for tourist service, as you say. I would be surprised if any other city has done so much to keep their history alive. It’s just a pity that they don’t bother putting the tourist route on the transport map.
Stuttgart was unlike any other German tramway, so I visited it several times over the years. Consequently I have a few vIdeos on TH-cam covering these visits. If you have not already seen them, you may find them more easily from the link below.
Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
How weird would it be to see oneself in one of those 80s videos! 30 odd years younger. I was the same age as those kids at 26:32 back then. Good times! There are hardly any videos from 80s Stuttgart. And an Aussie is providing us with 80s Stuttgart footage. How cool is that? Good on ya, mate!
On rare occasions people have told me that they saw themselves or their fathers in some of my old videos. One even dated back to 1976 movie film!
@@tressteleg1 Wow! An Aussie providing us with rare 80s Stuttgart footage. Thank you!
It seems I had movie and video long before most other railfans. In fact some were still taking black and white photos at that time. And what do people want to look at today? Not B&W photos! 😄
I'd lived in Stuttgart off and on for some 20 years and enjoyed your video of the trams very much. The scenes bring back many pleasant memories. I loved Stuttgart in the 70s.
Yes it was a very interesting city Tramway, with the hills, GT4s and other unique trams standing it out from most German cities which were flat and with often almost identical Duwag trams running.
@@tressteleg1 Even today it is worth a visit. there is regular museum traffic on meter gauge with grandiose views. Also the only rack tram on public road (rt. N° 10 to Degerloch).
I have no doubt about that. Stuttgart must win the prize for spending the most money to keep vintage trams in operation, and I am especially referring to the many kilometres of metre/mixed gauge track kept in operating order for them to run on.
@@tressteleg1 The current total length of the two museum rts. N°21 & 23 (all mixed gauge tracks) is approximately 21 km. Rt. N° 21 (the city loop) is expected to be out of service until 2023 due to controversial project "Stuttgart 21" follow-up construction works.
Is 21 km the total length of the ride out and back, or the distance from the museum to the terminus? Or even if the terminus is just 10.5 km away it’s still a very impressive ride and from memory on quite hilly lines.
The dual-gauge trackwork was really fascinating, especially when seeing these complicated sections.
When I was going to Stuttgart by bus then I always picked the bus to Feuerbach and there I spontaneously decided about how to get into the city centre ... S-Bahn S6 (still in love of the old VT-420 train design), or the tram - usually it was the wider DT-8, not sure if the old GT4 was also still going to Stadtmitte - it was mostlikely in the end of the 80s and later.
At 27:19 it is interesting to see a Mercedes O 305 GT trollleybus. Never seen one before in Stuttgart. But well, mostlikely I was also more over from the area of Feuerbach-Zuffenhausen and then going from there to the centre by S-Bahn or U-Bahn.
Thanks a lot for sharing these amazing video clips. And figuring out that Eszet was a company in Stuttgart. I am still remembering the Eszet-Schnitten to place these chololate slices on a bread or bun with butter, hehe. Nowadays it's made by another big player in the chocolate industry but still keeping the name Eszet.
I am pleased that you have enjoyed my videos about Stuttgart. My German language knowledge is not very strong so Google translated your first message to me.
I also thought the complexities of the dual gauge track was quite remarkable. That’s why I spent so much time at Berliner Platz. Thanks for all your anecdotes. I did a few more videos from my visits to Stuttgart in the past, and if you have not already seen them, you may find them more easily here.
Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
The company Eszet was a cocoa and chocolate factory in Untertürkheim (today a district of Stuttgart).
From the initials of the surnames of the two founders Ernst Staengel d. Ä. (1827-1915) and his brother-in-law Karl Ziller gave rise to the well-known brand name "Eszet" (in german spelled "S"-"Z").
The most famous product are the Eszet wafers, which first came onto market in 1933.
These are thin bars of chocolate intended as a topping for rolls or bread.
Nowadays they are manufactured by the current owner, Stollwerck, since 1975.
Very good - remember visiting in the early 70s with three other youthful British enthusiasts and couldn't get over how friendly and proud the tramway staff were. We were welcomed into one depot where the manager had been a war time pilot with appropriate photos in his office! The organisation seemed extremely paternalistic with its own social housing and tramway band. They were keen to emphasise that the GT4s were stove enamelled an not just painted. Still remember the basic german they tought us - luft bremse etc. etc. - happy days
Thanks for that. I’m not surprised that management was very proud of their system. I guess the same attitudes continue today otherwise the considerable expense in maintaining some metre gauge track for the historic cars would not exist. I guess you have seen my earlier video ‘Stuttgart trams 1975 and 1981’ which would cover some of your the atmosphere of your earlier trip when some fourwheelers were still running.
You filmed one of the only 3 Mercedes O 305 GTD Duobusses, Number 308 was also a former Kerb Guided Trolleybus Prototypes at the Rastatt O-Bahn test track. Also many Thanks for Filming the loop at Mineralbäder, was searching for Fotos or Videos of it for Ages!
😊👍 Sometimes it seems that my camera captures, purely by chance , something quite unusual in some City I visit. I’m pleased to fill your knowledge gap of Mineralbäder. I also remember riding one of the duobuses there at some stage. It seemed odd that the diesel engine started up and ran for a few minutes every now and then, then all was quiet again.
@@tressteleg1 I was Born in 1993 and lived in Denkendorf so i grew up with the O405 GTD Duobusses, which ended service in 2008.
The loop itself was already in my knowledge but hard to find Pictures of it.
Until the early 1980s the loop was even bigger and accesable from the other side as well.
imgur.com/a/jJFsRzL
I think 1991 or 1992 the loop and the curve was removed as far as my informations goes. 1993 for the International Garden Exhibition the today used tracks at the Mercedesstraße junction were added and used.
I rode to Denkendorf in 1975 on the END tram, long before your time! I have a couple of minutes of movie film of the END but have not done anything with it so far.
The tram was replaced by duo buses which used overhead wire to climb the hill but at the top the wire suddenly ended and the buses continue on their way, I think using diesel.
As for Mineralbäder, with the gradual phasing out of metre gauge, the need for all the loops there gradually disappeared. A pity, because it was quite a complex arrangement there, as shown in your diagrams.
@@tressteleg1 The Duobusses ran on their Wires up to the stop called "Nellinger Linde" then switched to Diesel for the rest of their Journeys to Denkendorf or Neuhausen. Maybe you know it already, the Duobusses are back but now it´s the Line 113 which uses the Wires to this stop and then takes the route to Berkheim instead of Nellingen. The both former Duobus lines 119 and 120 are no longer served by the SVE, and the new Company which serves them doesn´t intend to buy Trolleybusses for these Routes. The New Duobusses in Esslingen are Solaris Trollinos with Batteries instead of the Diesel Engines. SVE is if I recall it correctly up to buy 40 new Trolley/Battery Busses to run completly on Electric Power until 2030
Thank you for that update. Sometimes it is hard to find out the latest workings so far from my home. I seem to recall reading that the Stuttgart standard gauge Trams never ran to Untertürkheim. I looked at Google Street view and followed the trolley bus wires there but could not recognise where the trolleybuses used to meet the trams. The loop at the terminus seems very much different.
It’s nice to know that trolleybuses with batteries still climb the steep Hill. Google Street view has never covered those streets so I could not look for trolley bus wire or anything. I think I took a video scene or two of the duo buses where the wires ended. If so I will have to include it with the next Stuttgart trams video.
Interesting conversion period! I tried looking up if the metre guage was still being used but couldn't find a good answer, the GT4 stock has been disused but I did see a recent picture showing the dual guage was still in place at the Rathaus station.
Normally in summer, the tram museum operates meter gauge trams on a reasonably long tourist line which includes some of the underground stations. How are you looked for a map, but nobody seems to have bothered producing one To show where the ride goes. A pity. In western Australia
Sorry that escaped before editing... (Nothing to do with WA).
I have some more video of a later visit to Stuttgart and if I remember I will ask my contact there for a map of the tourist route.
My German contact says there is no map but he will prepare one. He thinks the vintage trams have resumed and this is their main route.
“The ride starts at the museum (Straßenbahnmuseum), goes via Mittnachtstraße, Schlossplatz, Charlottenplatz, Eugensplatz, Bubenbad towards Ruhbank (Fernsehturm), with additional stop at Budapester Platz on the way back.”
@@tressteleg1 There exists a 2nd metric line from Mineralbäder via Staatsgalerie and Berliner Platz to Central Station (as a so called) city loop (= line N° 21). But this route is actually (since 2016) out of service because of underbreak (contruction of S21). It will be hopefully reopened by ca. 2023.
From Australia, it is hard to work out what is what. Information on Stuttgart trams is not the best. I am working on my final visits of 1989 and 1992. How well did you know Stuttgart in those days?
*nostalgie*
😊👍👍
Also I really like all the comments you tell at the video, they’re helpful! Thanks to Gerhard Wandel too.
Interesting that the SSB decided to name the lines without the U for the converted ones for some time. I prefer this, the lesser letters the better, ahaha.
When those videos were made, the Internet was not even a science fiction dream. I put those comments on the tapes so friends could borrow them, watch them when they wanted, and I did not have to be there to explain anything. Now when I take video, I know that people anywhere in the world might see it, they may not be good with spoken English but probably can read it okay. So there is more written information now but nothing spoken.
My final vintage Stuttgart video is in preparation at the moment covering 1989 and 1992.
The reason for the (later) introduction of the "U" before the number was that one wanted to exclude the confusion with the S-Bahn-numbering. F.e.: rt. N° 1 (old) vs. U1 (= Stadtbahn) vs. S1 (= S-Bahn).
@@Miquel-ew1nw I suppose that a major reason for distinguishing standard gauge routes by adding the U was so that passengers at stops served by both Metre gauge and standard gauge trams would know whether to wait at the low platform for metre gauge or the raised platform for standard gauge vehicles.
There was a tram accident with a truck in Untertürkheim in the mid 80s where a schoolmate of mine was killed. He must have been 7ish. Did you happen to hear about it, too?
If I did hear about it, I forget. Too bad about your mate.
*starlodear* Do you remember the exact year?
Lovely film. The prototypes that ran at the line 3 that appeared in your 84 film never ran in another line nor were in service in 86 right?
Unfortunately I cannot answer your questions. Hopefully another viewer can answer for you.
That's right. These three prototypes (DT8.1 to 8.3) ran between 1983 and 1985 in Stuttgart, only on line n° 3. (Before in service at Albtalbahn Karlsruhe from 1982 until 1983). They were scrapped by 1990; except n° 3001 (only A-unit) and 3006 (B-unit).
@@Miquel-ew1nw did SSB have any aborted plan of testing them in the line 1 or 14? At least did the units have its destinations inside the prototypes’s info systems?
@@frankiii9165 There was no need to do so because as rt. N° 3 was converted fully to standard gauge (on Sept., 28th., 1985), there were already enough type DT8.4 delivered. The rts. N° 1 & 14 were converted later: on April, 19th., 1986 or July, 12th., 1986. And as far as the displays (prototypes) in the interior are concerned, I have to investigate at appropriate opportunity. By the way: only N° 3001/02 had inside so called roll bands, if this was Your question.
@@Miquel-ew1nw Interesting! So they proved enough that the DT8 design prototypes worked well and ordered the DT8.4 immediately?
My question was in fact if they programmed or added into the prototypes info systems the routes 1 and 14. But as you said probably they didn’t do that for logical reasons.
Interesting look at a complicated system, although I assume it got simpler. Do the standard gauge cars have dual level floors in the doorways to cater for high and low level platforms? Cheers
Stuttgart was somewhat more complex because of the gradual change from metre gauge to standard gauge, a process which finished around 2013. The standard gauge trams are all high platform and except for a couple of stretches of dual metre and standard gauge track retained for vintage tram operation, there are no low-level platforms.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you for letting me know. Cheers
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@@tressteleg1 Erratum: The conversion process did not end in 2013, but in 2007 with the conversion of tram line 15 to the standard gauge.
OK
absolutely fascinating. the odd shaped b is the same as double s, for those who don't know. i'm under the impression that the odd shaped b is getting phased out.
That's not right: the letter "ß" exists as well, f.e. in the well known word "Straßenbahn" (= tramway). By 1991 there have been a reform and from then only in certain german words the "ß" is replaced by "ss".
@@Miquel-ew1nw , okay i stand corrected. thanks for putting me straight. so only some will be converted to double s. why is this so? how is it decided what converts to double s and what remains as an odd b shape?
@@vsvnrg3263 In german language there are long-spoken vowels like in "Hose" (=pants) and short as in "Küsse" (=kisses).
For the rule, when to write "ss" or "ß", we combine both: Following a long vowel or double sound a sharp s, then one writes "ß". - And when double-s ?
... Following the sharply spoken "s" after a short vowel one writes "ss".
@@Miquel-ew1nw ,ummmmm, i think that makes sense. thanks for that.