What other non-Disney, animated movies did you all like from the 90s? I use to watch 'The Pebble and the Penguin' all the time when I was a kid but maaaan does that movie suck when I look back on it lol Support me on Patreon : www.patreon.com/saberspark Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/Saberspark
Saberspark How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there?
The problem with 3d animation is that you can't go magical or over the top without it looking weird. The whole point of 3d is to make things look more realistic and that limits how you can make your character models look or what the world can do.The northern lights of Balto and the sparkles in Cinderella don't give you the same feel when you put them in 3d. To put it simply the most magical thing Disney has done with 3D is the water spirit in Moana. The closest 3D animation as a whole to the feel of 2D is in the Lego Movie and the Lego Batman Movie. That's likely because Legos can be used to make unrealistic things and the animators took advantage of that. 3D has its own perks, you can go more realistic with it than you can with 2D for example, but it's a specialist and is limited. I hope somebody creates a program that makes 2D animation quick, easy, and cheap just like they did with 3D. The cinema has been missing what only 2D can provide for a long time now.
I think there should be an endowment for more 2D animation. I know it's not as commercially profitable, but it is an art form that is highly respected!
The only time a CGI movie could work the same as the 2D animation is if it was extremely stylized. Unfortunately almost all 3D animated movies use the same damn artstyle, lighting and plastic models. Fortnite levels of uninspired. If we had a movie in the style of The Backwater Gospel - wood-carved and moody or some other animated shorts out there on the Internet, that would be badass. However that won't happen, since the current look of 3D animated movies is what sells. Even stopmotion struggles. It's not that 3D is bad. It's just people don't care about pushing its boundaries.
I've always loved Anastasia and really appreciated that she wasn't a Disney Princess yet still held her own against the never ending line up of them from Disney. Honestly, to see that she'll now be owned by that same company is a bit disheartening because it totally ruins that aspect. That being said, Saber is right when he says it'll be interesting to see what they do with the Fox films and franchises.
I always though she was a Disney character until...you know you learn the dark as fuck history it's based on there's blood on your hands British royal family!
It's a good movie! Though I gotta say, I didn't remember much of it since I saw it as a kid. The themes and overall atmosphere of the movie were more mature which is why I found it a bit hard to follow back then. Now, it's a good movie though, and I really like the characters and the story! :)
@Mammoth Supremacy 55 Bad marketing I believe along with the fact the trailers failed to tell people what the story was about and the story was a mess.
It was kind of legitimately sad that fox animation didn't go anywhere , films like Anastasia and Titan A.E clearly show that they had potential to be great animation studio 😁👌
They can bank on the nostalgia factor for sure. I would love to see a 2d animated film with updated colors in a western style. But they need a good storyline to really sell the idea.
I mean they're still around and are really good from things such as the scooby doo movies to song of the sea, ernest and celestine, maquia, and the various dc animated films. personally i can't wait for wolfwalkers to come out
Don Bluth really is a talented animator all things considered. Even if his films aren’t always the best, his films are still nicely animated and fairly well drawn. Hell even Troll in Central Park actually looks fairly nice, although it’s still a crap one.
To fair with Don, a lot of his projects were filled with a lot of executive meddling making him do stuff he didn't want to or just making him rush things out or just making him copy the competition. The worst for from this was from the pebble and the penguin, where MGM forced him to change the story, remove characters, and changing the dialog over and over again and all in a hurry since he had to make a deadline. He was so mad about the whole thing he removed his own name from the credits in the movie.
they should remake this movie now into a live action movie, with how far cgi has come I think it'd look great now. Also sci-fi is a very popular genre now
@@TheAkwarium I agree I think people will see the greatness of the Titan A.E. story and finally be taken seriously as excited sci-fi if it was remade into a live action as long as it's made with a similar tone to the original movie.
We all saw that haircut on many, MANY, male characters in the 90's. However, looking at the faces of Demetri and blonde man from Titan A.E. they look identical.
For all those wondering the blonde fella is Cale and like many of Don Bluth's male characters is almost a physical reskin of a previous human male design that Bluth tends to use. And in some ways Demetri's chubby friend, Vladimir is more or less a humanized design of Fievel's father from An American Tail.
@@punchdrunkassassin They haven't done a live action Pocahontas so I'm sure they wouldn't make a live action Anastasia, right? I mean, that would just be in poor taste! Sure, Mulan got a live action remake but people are still not sure if she was a real person. So... It's not like Disney would try to do something like that, right?! (Insert nervous laughter)
Fun fact: Ice Age was originally going to be made by Fox Animation with Don Bluth as the director, but after Titan A.E. bombed, they moved the project to Blue Sky.
@@PTSDSquirrel Well for one thing it would probably be less humorous and more dramatic. Don Bluth movies usually goes to an more emotional and sometimes even violent route than the usual animated flicks. Now, I really like the first Ice Age (the sequels can go die tho), but I would be very curious to see Bluth's take on the story.
Me too Ellie, me too. I was about to say the same thing then I stumbled on your comment. Maybe they ran out of money so they had to recycle Dimitri, give him blonde hair and hoped no one would notice.
See what I got wrong was I thought Titan A.E came out *before* Anastasia... So I was totally distracted watching Anastasia thinking it was just a brown haired version of the guy from Titan A.E!!
Don bluth was my childhood. I loved Secret of Nimh, American Tail, Land b4 time. As a young adult, and still now that I'm older, love Titan A. E. Don Bluth was also the genius behind the Dragon's lair animation. Disney, bring us the Bluth!
Titan A.E.'s failure was a huge shame. I actually really like that movie. Also, I kind of have a soft spot for Thumbelina. It's terrible, but my dad bought it for me as a child as a surprise gift on the way home from work and I watched it a million times, so I can't actually bring myself to feel any negativity towards it.
Marketing really does make or kill a film. Disney is a master at marketing, and could sell ice to Eskimos; that's why they are so successful! If you market with confidence, you will do much better than second guessing yourself.
Pretty sure Fox just sucked at marketing kids' stuff in general, it's one of the reasons Digimon Adventure flopped over here in addition to bad timing. These are after all, the same people who thought it was a good idea to split Fox Kids into a boys' channel and a girls' channel. Lucky for them that their investors were smart enough to know better....
You are right, A.E. was caught between a rock and a hard place. Caught between the Disney feel good happy ending BS for simple little minds and the growing trend of adult themed Anime that was landing on the US shores. So in between Toy Story and Cowboy Bebop is not a place to be, but all in all A.E was a great production, now a cult classic is all.
AE was supposed to be edgy, it's target audience was teen boys. But there was a panic and a lot of the Joss Whedon script was scrapped, the only existing remnant of that was when Cale meets Preed and they are bantering about "the probe". AE was also supposed to have another director but he didn't work out.
Titan A.E. was a failure? I remember when it came out and it was everywhere, plus I went to see it and loved the hell out of it. Kinda sad to hear "it failed" when it's a pretty good animated movie in my eyes. It still airs on TV sometimes and the opening with the kid playing and the Dad getting him still gives me goosebumps. But that's just me :/
Anastasia is my number one non-Disney animated movie, followed by Quest for Camelot. I also loved Titan AE. The voice acting, animation, and soundtrack are all top notch. I agree that the fault lies with marketing because overall, it was a great action animated movie, more so than Atlantis: The Lost Empire, IMO.
I wish 2D animation hadn't died and instead remained active alongside CG animation. I used to like CG movies when there were still 2D movies to enjoy but now because CG is the norm I boycott almost every animated movie now until 2D animation comes back.
I think part of the issue is how time consuming and expensive 2D animation is, especially in the style all our old favorite movies used to be (pencil on paper). CG is easier and cheaper comparatively, so naturally companies are going to use it because they can profit more off of it. I’ve had trouble getting into a lot more recent films, and I’ve lost a lot of respect and love for Disney because of this. None of the new films have the love or passion as the old films do.
As a child, Anastasia was one of my favorite films out there. As an adult (as an enthusiastic amateur historian who's gone through brief phases of varying interest in Romanov Russia) I can still enjoy the film on its own, but not nearly as much as I enjoy telling people about the real Anastasia and Rasputin. ~**THE JOYS OF HISTORY**~
What did you find about their relationship in your research? I found that he was their teacher and considered part of their family, as well as a close confidante. He was also accused of inappropriate behavior with the kids, but that wasn't proven or even true to my knowledge. (The brunt of my research was via Wikipedia.)
OMG!!! I learned so much about Russian history because of Anastasia. I love visiting the Russian Art gallery in the Walter's Art Museum in Baltimore, MD. I know how to read some Greek, which made reading Russian somewhat easier. This movie is so underrated and I hope it inspired others to learn about this part of the globe!
@@randombrokeperson Even if Wikipedia was a fully scientifically acceptable source, only "researching" within it cuts probably above of 90% of potential sources and perspectives on the subject matter. But if you are limited in your possibilities for research, I would suggest going to the russian Wikipedia Pages, ignoring the Pages themselves and simply going straight to the Literature list. After that, go and get the Literature listed there and do the proper research yourself.
@@jamesonschwartz1166 A VERY poor marketing strategy. Movies with budgets of that magnitude have to build a whole marketing campaign (and did back then, too), but Titan A.E. was marketed very poorly. In addition, it had concepts which, at that time, were beyond the comprehension of its perceived audience (not the actual slightly more mature audience that actually ended up liking it). I suspect that is the biggest contributing factor to its failure.
I wish they still made 2D movies... they seemed to be more ...serious in a good way . I mean new 3D movies keep getting sillier and sillier. I mean ...look at the Boss Baby :/ Besides hand drawn animation looks so much more beautiful !
Too bad to see what happened to Titan A.E., because I watched the movie for the first time this summer and I was fascinated by it, so much I ended up getting for myself a CD of the official soundtrack. Going to try collecting the promotional comics that accompanied the movie's marketing whether possible. Can't discredit Don Bluth and Gary Goldman for trying something different from what they were used to, something out of their domain. I also like Anastasia a lot! Funny enough, I didn't like it when I was little but ended up growing to love it. It's weird that it's become popular to bash it for any given reason...
They're both great movies. Titan AE was marketed poorly though. It's like they don't even bother to spend money on advertising and hoping it will be like Anastasia in term of sales.
I know a bunch of those movies from my childhood and know none of the Disney ones Possibly because a lot of the Disney ones were racist or sexist in subtle or not so subtle ways and my parents weren't about enforcing gender roles or stereotypes . Either that , or that's just the stuff I saw more at random . Either way I love those movies - that sucks they tanked ! How is that shit by fox ? ! like - Fox absolutely sucks , but those movies were about overcoming differences , and immigration - even if that one had a racist part I think - and even environmental protection and the power of love - how did Fox shit that out of one of its grotesque orifaces ? those movies were so beautiful * w *
6:30 Oh no no no no nononono NO. Atlantis: The Lost Empire was NOT a stumble. Yes it tanked at the box office, but it is quite possibly the most underappreciated and underrated gem Disney's ever put out.
Titan AE was a victim of timing in more ways than just the decline of 2D animation. It also came out at almost the same time as Columbine happened, and became the posterboy for the "violent movies and TV" that people were blaming at the time for school violence.
Ehh, I don't think it being 2d hurt it. the only big studio 3d animated film that came out that year was Dinosaur, which had to complete with a land before time sequel and wasn't received well.
I love Anastasia,I watched it so many times as an 8 year old,same with land before time and Thumbelina, and secret of NIMH. Eventhough I had no idea the same guy was behind the films back then.
Titan A.E. is a prime example of one of the best sci-fi film concepts of the 90s (fight me) getting woefully mismanaged and horribly mis-marketed. The decision to ask Bluth, one of the greatest 2D animators of all time, to add CGI results in elements that looked poorly integrated at the time and terribly dated now. The fact that this rather adult sci-fi flick was marketed as a children’s adventure story because someone at Fox decided “animation’s 4 kidz” led to adults who felt the movie was too kiddy, parents who were afraid the movie was too adult for their kids, and theaters that sat empty. The end result is a stillborn film, choked to death by a mother studio too afraid to take risks. Titan A.E. deserved better.
preach man this movie should honestly get another shot in the future, I would love to see this great concept brought to life in a much more masterful way. has to be in 2D though
The reason why Fox Animation Studios internally sabotaged Titan AE was solely due to the failure of both Dreamworks' Road To El Dorado and Disney's trio of financial disappointments Pocahontas, The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, and Mulan. At the last minute, just months before the film was set to premiere in theatres, the marketing budget got cut worse than a steak that fell into a box of knives. They thought that if both the new upstart prodigy and the old king were struggling, they had no chance. They completely ignored the repeated successes of their own direct rivals, Warner Bros. Family Entertainment with Space Jam, Pippi Longstocking, and Quest For Camelot. They also refused to capitalize on the failure of The Iron Giant by beginning marketing material for Titan AE back in October of 1999. They killed themselves at a time when they could've had the niche all alone.
It's the truth. Titan AE basically had that summer to itself. It only had to compete with The Emperor's New Groove later in December and The Road To El Dorado, which had already wound down and was being removed from theatre rotation when it released. Meanwhile in 1997 Anastasia had to fight Cat's Don't Dance, Babes In Toyland, Hercules, and Pippi Longstocking, and yet it still became the second highest grossing animated move of that year.
Wait, the Road to El Dorado was a failure? Mulan, too? I was just a kid when those came out and I loved them to death, but I guess the adults didn't. :/
Road To El Dorado failed to make back it's initial cost, making like $75,000,000 against a $90,000,000 investment (not including marketing). Mulan apparently wasn't as good as the trio that kicked off the Disney Renaissance, and was deemed a failure, just breaking even with about $90,000,000 versus Aladdin's $220,000,000. All of those numbers are U.S.-only sales, not counting global markets. Disney also wasted a bunch of money with McDonald's and Hasbro tie-in deals for Mulan, which they shared with Pixar for A Bug's Life.
Titan AE is still one of my favorite animated movies. an easy to follow plot with just enough mature themes in them that anyone in the family could enjoy it.
You make it sound like Titan A.E. was an awful movie. It was very different, and probably didn't fit in with the expected aesthetic at the time but it was FAR from a bad movie. Amazing soundtrack and characters. The problem was the marketing. Also I feel like people at the time were not used to the concept of a mature plot in an animated film. Animation equated children and this plot was far too complicated and dark to be something aimed at younger audiences.
Titan A.E. wasn't actually a bad movie. I think that incorperating 3D animation had a negative effect on it though. Had the studio stayed true to 2D animation, I'm sure their budget and focus would've been better and the movie would've gained more critical acclaim and made more money.
Also is worth saying that the 3D animation on it was very weird...it didn't blend as well on 2D like other movies at the time and the movements of a few ships and aliens on these sometimes-2D-sometimes-3D environment felt really off.
Haven't seen Titan A.E., but it looks like it may be good. People get caught up in expecting something to be perfect, and sometimes the short-comings can truly ruin a film, especially when we have high expectations. But then, over time, we realize many of the films we enjoyed were not all that, and many of the bombs were better than they were given credit for. I expect to see Disney's modern legacy to fall into obscurity, while other studios and films that are currently mocked will be recognized for their quality that we overlook now.
Although I agree with you that Titan A.E wasn't a bad movie and that 3d elements not meshing well, I think it's failure was more in regards to lack of marketing and not having an audience. The serious themes and action meant it couldn't really work for younger kids but the disney-ish animation would put off older audiences at the time (I think older audiences these days have a greater appreciation for non-"adult comedy" 2d animation then they did back then).
Am I the only person that finds Disney buying basically every studio ever sorta... Creepy? 😓 Seriously, it's actually taking over, and it's slowly eradicating any potential competition one by one... I find sorta almost unnerving... Not to mention I don't like how much of a monopoly it can put on the animation industry as a whole. Disney NEEDS competitors! It needs to be challenged! Other than that, it gets lazy and predictable, and it can afford to if there is nothing else for people to take their kids to see. They know they'll make money no matter what, good story or not. People like Mr. Bluth or DreamWorks, they have their own flavor to their work. They introduce New things to the table, but them, or any other company, gets bought out by Disney, it results in their flavors being mixed with Disney's, therefore diluting their original spirit. Idk, it seems Disney is afraid to have any competitors, so their opting for just taking over the entire industry, or at least as much of it as possible, to dash the notion out one by one.
Yes, me too. I am seriously concerned by how much of the media we consume now comes from Disney. I just hope Ryan Reynolds has what it takes to keep Deadpool rated R.
2CuteMadHatter I called Disney a monopoly in front of my college professor and she looked at me funny..like, am I wrong though? Disney has no rivals! The exact definition of monopoly.
@@Japanthewoman I don't think they'll change Deadpool because it's such a money maker, and that's something Disney knows how to do. Problem is, thats what they're most focused on: money. I'm not as worried about live action movies as much as the animated ones. Let's face it, Moana was a weak movie, and Frozen has been boiled down to a cash cow. Disney NEEDS competitors to have any type of creativity kick in. And other studios have their own identities. But... Disney has one too, and a strong one at that, so I'm worried about things polluting each other and make everything a Disney brand flick, generic art style and all. It's not going to end well. ._. I mean, even Disney movies that didn't fit their brand did lousy because of the studio itself sabotaging them. Treasure Planet, Atlantis, heck, even Hercules didn't do as good because of the stories and even art styles! I truly think of Treasure Planet was released by somebody like DreamWorks instead, it would have been just as welcomed as El Dorado! We need other companies doing animations! We need more than one huge company having the monopoly, for both ethical reasons and creative ones. SO! As I said, it's super concerning. ;__;
There lived a certain man in Russia long ago He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow Most people looked at him with terror and with fear But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear He could preach the bible like a preacher Full of ecstasy and fire But he also was the kind of teacher Women would desire Ra ra Rasputin Lover of the Russian queen There was a cat that really was gone Ra ra Rasputin Russia's greatest love machine It was a shame how he carried on
I personally liked Titan A.E. It didn't have this "Save the Earth" mentality, as Earth was destroyed in the first act. I loved the mix of 2D and 3D animation. But everbody is entitled to their own opinion. ;)
Rusted GreatSword I mean same with Anastasia but it’s good to see Native American and Russian charters get spotlights in films and I loved both films growing up as well
@@mickymcbryan4814 pocahontas died because she was sick and anastasia was killed so nobody is a succession, so the monarchs have a conflict whos the next king/tsar in russia because they are all related to each other (katharina the great from germany for example)
@@twagon8854 what I meant was power struggles, not monarchy. Pocahontas died of an STD given to her by a man she was forced to marry as a symbol of british control over her father's territory. Anastasia was executed in a political coup. Little girls killed by power struggles.
We need hand-drawn animated films that aren’t anime. It just doesn’t have the same appeal or magic that traditional squash-and-stretch style western animation has.
You’re right, she will never be a Disney princess as she doesn’t meet any of the requirements, the most important of which is being in a Disney released animated film.
Really got to admire Bluth's dedication to making better animated films than Disney. And while his aren't as well known nowadays, there still a classic. I have to say the huge irony on Fox since they are now owned by Disney the same studio they wanted to compete against.
I feel sad and heartbroken that Fox Animation Studios shut down. They have a lot of potential to become one of the best animation studios just like Disney, Pixar, or Studio Ghibli. They have such great talented animators and great filmmakers who can make great animated stories that can appealed to both kids, adults and even the family audience. I love Anastasia and enjoyed Titan A.E. and I honestly didn't know who made their animated movies until now. Why can't Fox just own two animation studios? Blue Sky Studios and Fox Animation Studios. They could used their two animation studios to rival with Disney and Pixar.
Didn't know Titan flopped...I loved it! It was more adult-ish than any of the Disney fare at the time and I liked that. The voice acting was amazing and along with Anastasia, those two movies were the standard by which I judged all animation by for years. Actually, I still do--there's a certain amount of artistry in the 2D animation I really appreciate that just isn't there in the computer generated stuff we see now. The only thing that really comes close is some of the anime, and even a lot of that still isn't on the same level. Frankly, they did such a spectacular job on the animation for both movies that they still hold up in 2018, and they're STILL better movies than a good chunk of the stuff that's come out in the last decade. Maybe it's the writing, maybe it's the animation, I don't know; the voice acting is always well done, but even that can't save a movie. All I can say is that Don Bluth is a god and the fact that I remember his name after all these years says something--who directed/created/etc. all those Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks films? No idea. The only one I remember is the guy that did The Incredibles, Brad Bird, and that's probably only because I've seen the movie so many times. The Little Mermaid was the big movie that sticks in my mind as a good example of what animation can do with water and the only 3D one that immediately comes to mind that does a comparable job (I guess) was Tangled, maybe Moana. Something's been lost in translation during the transition from 2D to computer generated stuff and I can't put it to words. It's like the movies have lost a certain textural feel to them, a certain amount of heart and soul. Yeah, that's a bad way of putting it, I'll stop now. Thumbelina was a bit silly, but it was also a favorite...probably because it was so silly and I was a kid. Troll in Central Park and The Pebble and the Penguin were ones I had no desire to see, and from what I've read then and since, I'm glad I didn't and still haven't. All Dogs Go To Heaven and An American Tail were good, but they're hard for me to watch now as an adult because I didn't realize as a kid just how seriously dark they were in certain parts...and that kinda weirds me out a little. I mean, they're good movies, but man, An American Tail is some heavy duty material. The Secret of NIMH falls somewhere in the middle, probably because it has to do with animals, not people, but it's still a pretty serious movie. Ah, the 80s, where dark and serious was okay for kids--and we loved it! The lighting effects in that movie were absolutely beautiful. I love that movie. And it still holds up.
Funny... I loved Titan A.E. when I saw it on TV as a kid once and have recently been searching for it's title since I didn't remember it. Now I find it and it turns out that this movie flopped so hard, it killed the studio which had produced it. Rip nostalgia goggles.
I feel exactly like that. I loved the movie as a kid and I am fairly certain I still would if I rewatched it. I'd really like to know WHY it flopped so hard.
I don't even remember the movie, I just remember the girl because she's hot, I have a thing for asian women with colorful hair, also the girl from 6teen looks like her.
@Federico Puscoy I can see a guy barely surviving a shooting and poisoning if done in rapid succession, like either you miss a major blood vessel or organ with the shot and misdose the poison.
Yeah, it could've been worse. Comcast could've won the purchase of Fox, and we would never see The X-Men, The Fantastic Four, or Deadpool in the MCU. Getting back on topic, Don Bluth was probably one of the most underrated talents in animation. He deserves some credit for challenging Disney way before Dreamworks came along. Not all of his films are great, but they're beautiful to look at, and while his 'Dragons Lair', and 'Space Ace' games might be seen today by most people as glorified cut scenes with quicktime based mechanics, they were jaw dropping in their day.
I think it had the right mix of despair and wonder. It paced it's story well, didn't shout the plot twist, and even had a bit of redemption. I still enjoy it.
Journey to the Past sung by the late great Aaliyah was nominated for an Oscar and at the time (before Moana was nominated) she was the youngest person ever nominated for an Oscar in that category if I’m not mistaken
maybe disney can make a sequel a=since they have the marketing team and definetly the budget... wishful thinking but I would love to see more of that movie..... maybe not though it could be a really bad cash grab so.... super super wishfull thinking
See, I really liked Titan AE as a kid. It was a cool Sci-Fi movie, I thought, and I still remember it fondly. Shame it got swallowed up by competition so easily.
I rather liked Titan AE so much so i bought it again after my VCR died for what it was it was a good bit of art in the days. If wasnt for Disney pushing 3d i think it would of been fine back then but still it wasnt a bad movie in my mind.
It was doomed from the start, fox wanted a 3D studio like Pixar from the start. They were not caught off guard, by the industry. There are 3D elements all over Anastasia, (the train, the reliquary). Its failure was the board was promised one thing but then given another.
I heard Don Bluth and my head spun! This man changed my whole childhood with All Dogs Go to Heaven movies and other amazing films. He captures things only old school Disney can capture and isn't afraid to show the darkness in the world with his movies.
*+I Control My Fate* Exactly. In the end, Disney will be nothing. It's buying names instead of building it's own. Back in the day you could say "I worked on Disney" and people would be in awe. Soon you can say "I worked on Disney" and they'll respond "Doesnt everyone?"
What Western cultural properties you know that don't yet belong to Disney? Especially of the ones aimed for children and young adults, I don't think I can think of many off the top of my head. I wouldn't try to predict what such monopolization of culture (youth culture, no less) could do to the society, but it can't be good for it. In fact, the pictures my imagination seems to insist on painting are quite dystopian.
You know your company is failing when one of your most popular movies people don't even know you made it. It was hard for me to realise Shrek wasn't a Disney princess then Anastasia
boi i cried for 2 days knowing my donkey boi isn't a princess sidekick. With Anastasia i always knew was a fox boi but it's one of the most common cases of it.
My senior year of high school, one group of girls was going to perform a number from "Anastasia" for a talent show but it got shot down because music from Disney shows was not allowed...😑 (It wasn't Disney!) They did a number from "Annie" instead.
Lol Anastasia was my favourite movie as a kid, I still love it to this day 😅 I can’t lie, I prefer 2d animation, it’s so fluid and beautifully artistic and anything is possible.
I remember Titan A.E. fondly. The beginning of the movie made my heart sink when I first saw it as a kid, it was really impactful. One of the things that made it flop was probably its much darker and mature tone - there was blood, neck-breaking, blowing up from the inside and genocide in the movie - that didn't fly with parents. Christian audiences might've criticized the plot being about destroying and recreating worlds. The movie was too early for its time and maybe too unaware of its demographic, but it really wasn't bad.
I never knew there could have been a religious stand-point against it. I've heard the whole 'violent movies causing violent kids' (or whatnot). But in our house (Christian), the only reason they were ever against the movie was because I had them watch it too many times. :)
I'm legit sick of the CalArts style. Only Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken can make it look remotely not-crap. *IRONY:* The only reason CalArts exists to begin with is because Walt Disney himself helped fund its creation.
Yeah, I miss those old non-disney animated movies. They had so much more character. Sure, titan ae sucked, but it would be nice if Disney didn't have such a creative monopoly. Exactly Like Comcast LOL.
Funny how Disney is the root of my childhood. So many trained artist that left made almost all my favorite non-Disney films. NIHM was also a real place that did real animal testing. I love the mature themes Bluth put into his films, how you could ignore the themes and just watch as a child, then as a teenager rewatch them and actually get it. This is what makes deeper concepts in animations so great. Also let's thank these movies for giving some awesome voice actors their careers.
So, based upon this, nothing *ruined* Fox Animation Studios (except for the usual nostalgia goggles everyone wears these days.) Sounds like they were crippled from the start in spite of the brilliant Don Bluth. They were killed by a combination of the usual suspects, those being internal politics and the same idiotic, pretentious critics that have been ruining things for years.
Did you see Thumbelina or Troll in Central Park? Yes Don Bluth was a great animator but the substance of a movie's story matters too. Those 2 movies were beautiful but vapid, wasted really.
Yeah but block busters which are part of established franchises are too big to fail, so they are the exception. They will ALWAYS do well regardless of what critics say. But films that arnt part of established franchises need to do well with critics to survive, but even critical approval isn't always enough.
Disney lawyers found a way to not make Mickey Mouse part of the public domain. I'm sure they are capable of everything. Which is quite worrying, frankly speaking.
Some context on why Titan A.E. flopped. At the end of the 90’s going into the 2000’s apparently there was some kind of Christian revival in the United States. Due in part to that, many parents forbade their kids from seeing it in theaters since the plot revolved around destroying and remaking the world. Something many at the time considered sac religious. Full disclosure. This didn’t stop me from dragging my mom to the theater at the age of 8. This film and The Iron Giant were my favorite movies growing up. The latter being the first film I remember crying watching. Also,Titan A.E. was great! Fight me!
I also loved titan a.e, I didn't deserve the harsh criticism It endured. I went to see it with my best mate when we were 16 and 17 and we both came out of that cinema loving that film. 18 years later we still love it.
It's true that Fox's animation studio opened up at the worst possible time, given the changes in climate with the animation industry such as the arrival of CGI, but the studio's other major failing was that they were far too ambitious, as well as far too ahead of their time. With Anastasia, it has the same problem that Disney's own Pocahontas does, basing itself off of historical accounts and fantasizing them, though I personally think Anastasia is the better film, it's a far cry from the source material. Titan A.E. wasn't a bad film, but it was an especially baffling film due to it being PG-13 and aimed towards an older audience, which at the time was unthinkable given how animation at the time was still seen as being primarily for children, a stigma that still lasts to this day. That's probably the main reason why that film failed, combined with all the production problems it had. Blue Sky, on the other hand, is the exact opposite, in which the studio has potential to be like it's short-lived predecessor, but the higher ups at Fox prevent it from truly flourishing, constantly demanding more Ice Age sequels which continuously decline in quality. Now that Disney owns Fox, Blue Sky is in a state of limbo and there's now less animation studios and less diversity in the animation climate, given how Dreamworks, Illumination, Sony and Warner Bros just make the same kind of films again and again and don't really have distinct styles beyond pop-culture reference after pop-culture reference and refuse to get out of that style... and yet when it comes to Disney's purchase of Fox, everyone only cared about the Marvel characters and ignored everything else.
And both flopped hard. As a kid, I learned about Treasure Planet and thought it was boring and cringey. Then I saw Titan and thought “this looks the same except Earth dies in the first five minutes... an improvement”. I only saw each one time though.
i insisted to watch treasure planet when I was 10 coz i kinda feel like its an adult thing to watch then I tried to watch it when i was 16 and pretty much enjoyed some parts but not the ending, the ending sucks balls. Titan ae on the other hand is what I enjoy to watch as an 8 yr old douche boy.
Fox Animations was doomed even before it started working. The success of Anastasia helped it live a little longer but like Amblimation, it was just not meant to be. Titan AE was forced into Bluth because they literally didn't had any other scripts to immediately work with, and it was a poor choice. The movie wasted 30 millions on pre-production just on that transition of live action to animation plus the 75 million on producingbthe actual movie, and besides the fact it really wasn't suited for Bluth's style. It mixed 3 stuff Bluth was clueless about: 3D animation, action focused story and sci-fi. Unlike Space Ace, Titan AE was an apocalyptic story that took itself very seriously, and Bluth, that had an style more focused on atmospheric and worked mostly on a lot of stilt images on his movies, now had to work on a fast paced movie with plenty of explosions, shooting and chase scenes. Poor guy really did his best but it wasn't the best choice for him.
What other non-Disney, animated movies did you all like from the 90s? I use to watch 'The Pebble and the Penguin' all the time when I was a kid but maaaan does that movie suck when I look back on it lol
Support me on Patreon : www.patreon.com/saberspark
Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/Saberspark
Saberspark
How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there?
Saberspark hey save I really like you your a cool dude
An American Tale and The Land Before Time were childhood classics of mine.
Hi :) first time commenting on your videos. :D how are you anyways.
I enjoyed Titan AE a lot as a kid.
Am I the only one who misses oldschool 2D animation? I have nothing against the new 3D stuff but its got a different feel to it.
The problem with 3d animation is that you can't go magical or over the top without it looking weird.
The whole point of 3d is to make things look more realistic and that limits how you can make your character models look or what the world can do.The northern lights of Balto and the sparkles in Cinderella don't give you the same feel when you put them in 3d. To put it simply the most magical thing Disney has done with 3D is the water spirit in Moana.
The closest 3D animation as a whole to the feel of 2D is in the Lego Movie and the Lego Batman Movie. That's likely because Legos can be used to make unrealistic things and the animators took advantage of that.
3D has its own perks, you can go more realistic with it than you can with 2D for example, but it's a specialist and is limited.
I hope somebody creates a program that makes 2D animation quick, easy, and cheap just like they did with 3D. The cinema has been missing what only 2D can provide for a long time now.
I think there should be an endowment for more 2D animation. I know it's not as commercially profitable, but it is an art form that is highly respected!
Agree!
The only time a CGI movie could work the same as the 2D animation is if it was extremely stylized.
Unfortunately almost all 3D animated movies use the same damn artstyle, lighting and plastic models. Fortnite levels of uninspired.
If we had a movie in the style of The Backwater Gospel - wood-carved and moody or some other animated shorts out there on the Internet, that would be badass. However that won't happen, since the current look of 3D animated movies is what sells.
Even stopmotion struggles.
It's not that 3D is bad. It's just people don't care about pushing its boundaries.
Look at the Mary Poppins Returns trailer...
Huh. No mention of All Dogs Go to Heaven? Interesting.
Let sleeping dogs lie, as they say
All Dogs Go to FuCKinG WaR
Mad Munchkin I love that movie
Oh, hey your vids are In my recommended section!
Never thought I’d see an analyst here, pleasant surprise
I've always loved Anastasia and really appreciated that she wasn't a Disney Princess yet still held her own against the never ending line up of them from Disney. Honestly, to see that she'll now be owned by that same company is a bit disheartening because it totally ruins that aspect.
That being said, Saber is right when he says it'll be interesting to see what they do with the Fox films and franchises.
candiigurl7893 bright side is she may see a new light of day now
that just means i can finally stop correcting people. thank god i can save my breath, though she will still be bluth's best princess
Well for starters, they could be in KH. If that means I have a chance to fight Rasputin.
PhoenixLord66 oh my god, YES!!!
I always though she was a Disney character until...you know you learn the dark as fuck history it's based on there's blood on your hands British royal family!
Both Anastasia and Titan A.E. were very good animated movies.
@Mammoth Supremacy 55 thats your opinion
@@yocarter9221 its mine too
It's a good movie! Though I gotta say, I didn't remember much of it since I saw it as a kid. The themes and overall atmosphere of the movie were more mature which is why I found it a bit hard to follow back then. Now, it's a good movie though, and I really like the characters and the story! :)
I agree it's one of my favs for sure.
@Mammoth Supremacy 55 Bad marketing I believe along with the fact the trailers failed to tell people what the story was about and the story was a mess.
It was kind of legitimately sad that fox animation didn't go anywhere , films like Anastasia and Titan A.E clearly show that they had potential to be great animation studio 😁👌
I totally agree
Sure Anastasia has been mistaken for a Disney film for years.
I hate that Titan A.E flopped. It was impressive, I loved the mix of 2D and 3D animation, the two mediums worked beautifully together.
@@goblingrandma7361 yeah, I'm shocked right now, I'm used to know that Anastasia was disney
wahyu subiyanto
Yeah what’s up with that? She’s sometimes considered a Disney princess for some reason.
Personally i really miss 2d animation movies :'(
They can bank on the nostalgia factor for sure. I would love to see a 2d animated film with updated colors in a western style. But they need a good storyline to really sell the idea.
I mean they're still around and are really good from things such as the scooby doo movies to song of the sea, ernest and celestine, maquia, and the various dc animated films. personally i can't wait for wolfwalkers to come out
Same ; ‘(
i like anime mainly
Take a look at independent films, alright?
Don Bluth really is a talented animator all things considered. Even if his films aren’t always the best, his films are still nicely animated and fairly well drawn. Hell even Troll in Central Park actually looks fairly nice, although it’s still a crap one.
'I'm A bad troll.'
To fair with Don, a lot of his projects were filled with a lot of executive meddling making him do stuff he didn't want to or just making him rush things out or just making him copy the competition. The worst for from this was from the pebble and the penguin, where MGM forced him to change the story, remove characters, and changing the dialog over and over again and all in a hurry since he had to make a deadline. He was so mad about the whole thing he removed his own name from the credits in the movie.
He has a very distinct drawing style. It's a bit more... Grotesque in ways? But that makes it more fascinating too
he was artist, not writer
@@michaelsimkins7078 The Fox and The Hound 2 is actually a midquel showing Todd and Copper as kids.
In the words of Disney, if you wanna beat the competitor, buy them!
To be fair they were already beating them by a large margin before buying them
In the words of Disney and EA
If your not owned by Disney Disney doesn't care about you
And then they ruin it
@@jjsix6943 i wanna be owned by disney
I loved Titan A.E. I think it was ahead of its time. Not a G rated cartoon for kids but something geared towards adults.
Same. I have no clue why people act like it's a terrible movie
they should remake this movie now into a live action movie, with how far cgi has come I think it'd look great now. Also sci-fi is a very popular genre now
@@TheAkwarium I agree I think people will see the greatness of the Titan A.E. story and finally be taken seriously as excited sci-fi if it was remade into a live action as long as it's made with a similar tone to the original movie.
I actually remember watching it as a kid and I loved it
It's one of my favourite movies!
I didn't know Titan A.E. flopped so hard lol. It was one of my favorite animated movies back then XDDD
Yea same for me it was my classic contract repeat movie when I was young.
I loved it as well... and I was in my 30's when it first came out. Flying with the "angels" was breathtaking the first time I saw it in the theater.
I still enjoy Titan A.E. and never know it was what killed the studio.
Me two i loved it
Titan AE my all time favourite animated movie.
Anyone else notice that the blonde kid from Titan A.E. is just a blonde Demetri from Anastasia?
"drawing males the Don Bluth style"
Dude, I remember seeing a lot of "young" animated Male characters with that hairstyle. Dont think they were all from Don Bluth
We all saw that haircut on many, MANY, male characters in the 90's. However, looking at the faces of Demetri and blonde man from Titan A.E. they look identical.
I was so hoping somebody else noticed that too
For all those wondering the blonde fella is Cale and like many of Don Bluth's male characters is almost a physical reskin of a previous human male design that Bluth tends to use. And in some ways Demetri's chubby friend, Vladimir is more or less a humanized design of Fievel's father from An American Tail.
"it will be interesting to see what disney does with the new properties"
make live action remakes, ofcourse.
They're absolutely going to do a live action remake of Anastasia, I just know it. And I'm not here for it.
Live action Titan A.E. would be dope
@@punchdrunkassassin oh, no, as a Russian I'm already sure they will mess it up😭
@@punchdrunkassassin They haven't done a live action Pocahontas so I'm sure they wouldn't make a live action Anastasia, right? I mean, that would just be in poor taste! Sure, Mulan got a live action remake but people are still not sure if she was a real person. So... It's not like Disney would try to do something like that, right?! (Insert nervous laughter)
For Titan A.E. wouldn't that just come full circle since it was intended to be a live-action movie to begin with?
Fun fact: Ice Age was originally going to be made by Fox Animation with Don Bluth as the director, but after Titan A.E. bombed, they moved the project to Blue Sky.
yeah and it was originally gonna be 2D as well, but Bluth declined making it, and so, becos of that, the film was then sent to Blue Sky.
God, I am now very interested to see what a Don Bluth 2D Ice Age movie would be like.
I didn't know that. Thank You!
would it have been better... or worse?
@@PTSDSquirrel Well for one thing it would probably be less humorous and more dramatic. Don Bluth movies usually goes to an more emotional and sometimes even violent route than the usual animated flicks.
Now, I really like the first Ice Age (the sequels can go die tho), but I would be very curious to see Bluth's take on the story.
make a what ruined marvel animated
Girls
Fortnat
One word:Disney
eggos
Disney ruined it. Disney ruins everything.
I was always weirded out and distracted by the fact that the male lead of Titan A.E. looked like a blond Dimitri from Anastasia
Me too Ellie, me too. I was about to say the same thing then I stumbled on your comment. Maybe they ran out of money so they had to recycle Dimitri, give him blonde hair and hoped no one would notice.
LOL I never thought of that. Still love both movies, though.
A lot of Bluth’s young male protagonists look very similar, so I’m not surprised you noticed that!
Christina Minton yes they all do look kinda similar but Dimitri and the Titan A.E guy are a literal copy and paste.
See what I got wrong was I thought Titan A.E came out *before* Anastasia... So I was totally distracted watching Anastasia thinking it was just a brown haired version of the guy from Titan A.E!!
Don bluth was my childhood. I loved Secret of Nimh, American Tail, Land b4 time. As a young adult, and still now that I'm older, love Titan A. E. Don Bluth was also the genius behind the Dragon's lair animation. Disney, bring us the Bluth!
Titan A.E.'s failure was a huge shame. I actually really like that movie.
Also, I kind of have a soft spot for Thumbelina. It's terrible, but my dad bought it for me as a child as a surprise gift on the way home from work and I watched it a million times, so I can't actually bring myself to feel any negativity towards it.
I'm with you, Titan A.E. was great
I loved Thumbelina as a kid, no shame.
Titan A.E. bombed because Fox didn't know how to market it since the movie had a matured setting a tone while it still looks like a kids movie.
Marketing really does make or kill a film. Disney is a master at marketing, and could sell ice to Eskimos; that's why they are so successful! If you market with confidence, you will do much better than second guessing yourself.
Pretty sure Fox just sucked at marketing kids' stuff in general, it's one of the reasons Digimon Adventure flopped over here in addition to bad timing. These are after all, the same people who thought it was a good idea to split Fox Kids into a boys' channel and a girls' channel. Lucky for them that their investors were smart enough to know better....
You are right, A.E. was caught between a rock and a hard place. Caught between the Disney feel good happy ending BS for simple little minds and the growing trend of adult themed Anime that was landing on the US shores. So in between Toy Story and Cowboy Bebop is not a place to be, but all in all A.E was a great production, now a cult classic is all.
AE was supposed to be edgy, it's target audience was teen boys. But there was a panic and a lot of the Joss Whedon script was scrapped, the only existing remnant of that was when Cale meets Preed and they are bantering about "the probe". AE was also supposed to have another director but he didn't work out.
It looks better now though, I'm pretty sure Fox's animations are overall faster and smoother in Smash Bros Ultimate than they were before.
Wilfred Cthulu har har har
Damn right.
hahaha good one Wilfredo!
HOL' UP...
You deserve a reward
Atlantis and Titan A.E. are both very good movies.
Titan AE was the worst
The first is Anastasia.
Titan A.E. was a failure? I remember when it came out and it was everywhere, plus I went to see it and loved the hell out of it.
Kinda sad to hear "it failed" when it's a pretty good animated movie in my eyes. It still airs on TV sometimes and the opening with the kid playing and the Dad getting him still gives me goosebumps.
But that's just me :/
its not just you. its one of my favorite western animated films.
I loved the movie too.
I was a good movie... I think the marketing team is what killed it because it was a more matured themed animated movie.
Anastasia is my number one non-Disney animated movie, followed by Quest for Camelot. I also loved Titan AE. The voice acting, animation, and soundtrack are all top notch. I agree that the fault lies with marketing because overall, it was a great action animated movie, more so than Atlantis: The Lost Empire, IMO.
JamesEDonaldson My aunt was obsessed with Titan AE. I thought it was incredibly popular.
I wish 2D animation hadn't died and instead remained active alongside CG animation. I used to like CG movies when there were still 2D movies to enjoy but now because CG is the norm I boycott almost every animated movie now until 2D animation comes back.
2d didn't die completely I mean did u forget about princess and the frog
I think part of the issue is how time consuming and expensive 2D animation is, especially in the style all our old favorite movies used to be (pencil on paper). CG is easier and cheaper comparatively, so naturally companies are going to use it because they can profit more off of it. I’ve had trouble getting into a lot more recent films, and I’ve lost a lot of respect and love for Disney because of this. None of the new films have the love or passion as the old films do.
Studio Ghibli my friend. You can thank me later
As a child, Anastasia was one of my favorite films out there. As an adult (as an enthusiastic amateur historian who's gone through brief phases of varying interest in Romanov Russia) I can still enjoy the film on its own, but not nearly as much as I enjoy telling people about the real Anastasia and Rasputin. ~**THE JOYS OF HISTORY**~
What did you find about their relationship in your research? I found that he was their teacher and considered part of their family, as well as a close confidante. He was also accused of inappropriate behavior with the kids, but that wasn't proven or even true to my knowledge. (The brunt of my research was via Wikipedia.)
FOR THE LOVE OF HISTORYY!!
american tail greatness best of all time movie.
OMG!!! I learned so much about Russian history because of Anastasia. I love visiting the Russian Art gallery in the Walter's Art Museum in Baltimore, MD. I know how to read some Greek, which made reading Russian somewhat easier. This movie is so underrated and I hope it inspired others to learn about this part of the globe!
@@randombrokeperson Even if Wikipedia was a fully scientifically acceptable source, only "researching" within it cuts probably above of 90% of potential sources and perspectives on the subject matter. But if you are limited in your possibilities for research, I would suggest going to the russian Wikipedia Pages, ignoring the Pages themselves and simply going straight to the Literature list. After that, go and get the Literature listed there and do the proper research yourself.
I LOVED TITAN A.E. IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES I HAD SEEN AS A KID, I DON'T CARE IF IT RUINED FOX ANIMATION IT WAS STILL AMAZING!!!!!
You're right Titan a e was Desert bucking fire
I really loved it too!
Exactly. I can't think why it flopped so hard... Ppl were dumb then. And now. Lol
@@jamesonschwartz1166 A VERY poor marketing strategy. Movies with budgets of that magnitude have to build a whole marketing campaign (and did back then, too), but Titan A.E. was marketed very poorly. In addition, it had concepts which, at that time, were beyond the comprehension of its perceived audience (not the actual slightly more mature audience that actually ended up liking it). I suspect that is the biggest contributing factor to its failure.
Poor marketing and a weak script ruined it.
I wish they still made 2D movies... they seemed to be more ...serious in a good way . I mean new 3D movies keep getting sillier and sillier. I mean ...look at the Boss Baby :/
Besides hand drawn animation looks so much more beautiful !
Talent has left the house...
Hey, Moana was fucking lit.
Studio Ghibli still makes good 2D animation for what it's worth
2D is more comforting, like a story book.
3D movies have gotten very cheap to make over the past 20 years. So now, there are loads of shitty ones.
Too bad to see what happened to Titan A.E., because I watched the movie for the first time this summer and I was fascinated by it, so much I ended up getting for myself a CD of the official soundtrack. Going to try collecting the promotional comics that accompanied the movie's marketing whether possible. Can't discredit Don Bluth and Gary Goldman for trying something different from what they were used to, something out of their domain.
I also like Anastasia a lot! Funny enough, I didn't like it when I was little but ended up growing to love it. It's weird that it's become popular to bash it for any given reason...
Finally, someone who uses fragments properly!
I remember buying the soundtrack back when it came out. It was wonderful.
maybe people just cant like other films than just disney
They're both great movies. Titan AE was marketed poorly though. It's like they don't even bother to spend money on advertising and hoping it will be like Anastasia in term of sales.
to bad I really enjoyed the Film
Fox and Bluth was a great combination... But Fox is Fox.
You believe that I was an Normal studio? BUT IT HAS ME *FOX*
Sure. Downplay the bad timing of forming a major 2D animation studio.
I know a bunch of those movies from my childhood and know none of the Disney ones
Possibly because a lot of the Disney ones were racist or sexist in subtle or not so subtle ways and my parents weren't about enforcing gender roles or stereotypes .
Either that , or that's just the stuff I saw more at random .
Either way I love those movies - that sucks they tanked ! How is that shit by fox ? ! like - Fox absolutely sucks , but those movies were about overcoming differences , and immigration - even if that one had a racist part I think - and even environmental protection and the power of love - how did Fox shit that out of one of its grotesque orifaces ? those movies were so beautiful * w *
Bluth went on to create a bananna stand
*cough cough* Fox News *cough news*
“And it came in the form... of a Russian Princess”
Then Rasputin comes along with it 😂
Love that movie!!
Ra ra Rasputin! Lover of the Russian queen!
David Hong yaaasss thank you I’m not alone 😂
6:30 Oh no no no no nononono NO. Atlantis: The Lost Empire was NOT a stumble. Yes it tanked at the box office, but it is quite possibly the most underappreciated and underrated gem Disney's ever put out.
Ikr! Same to Treasure Planet omg it was amazingly animated and colored so gorgeously
Love steampunk influence on both
this
Atlantis one of my favorites. It's very witty and imaginative.
GameGal123 Fun fact: The early drafts of the script were written by Joss Whedon.
Titan AE was a victim of timing in more ways than just the decline of 2D animation. It also came out at almost the same time as Columbine happened, and became the posterboy for the "violent movies and TV" that people were blaming at the time for school violence.
Www
M
Seriously.....damn
Wowie if only they saw what we had now cough cough a video game about a sociopathic girl killing innocent girls for a guy cough cough.
Ehh, I don't think it being 2d hurt it. the only big studio 3d animated film that came out that year was Dinosaur, which had to complete with a land before time sequel and wasn't received well.
I love Anastasia,I watched it so many times as an 8 year old,same with land before time and Thumbelina, and secret of NIMH. Eventhough I had no idea the same guy was behind the films back then.
I have a tape of that movie
Me too!
Titan AE has always been one of my favorite movies.
Titan A.E. is a prime example of one of the best sci-fi film concepts of the 90s (fight me) getting woefully mismanaged and horribly mis-marketed. The decision to ask Bluth, one of the greatest 2D animators of all time, to add CGI results in elements that looked poorly integrated at the time and terribly dated now.
The fact that this rather adult sci-fi flick was marketed as a children’s adventure story because someone at Fox decided “animation’s 4 kidz” led to adults who felt the movie was too kiddy, parents who were afraid the movie was too adult for their kids, and theaters that sat empty. The end result is a stillborn film, choked to death by a mother studio too afraid to take risks. Titan A.E. deserved better.
I think CGI looks fine, but I agree with everything else you said.
preach man this movie should honestly get another shot in the future, I would love to see this great concept brought to life in a much more masterful way. has to be in 2D though
I miss 2d animation in movies. I wish it came back.
Alex
We got Teen Titans Go…
@@JP_Crimson Nope. No no does not count
Hee ):3
Look on the bright side! At least we still have cartoons :3 (Star vs TFOE, Ducktales, SU, TAWOG, etc.)
@@sc-fx7cy Yeah. That's why I'm looking forward to the su movie
The reason why Fox Animation Studios internally sabotaged Titan AE was solely due to the failure of both Dreamworks' Road To El Dorado and Disney's trio of financial disappointments Pocahontas, The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, and Mulan. At the last minute, just months before the film was set to premiere in theatres, the marketing budget got cut worse than a steak that fell into a box of knives. They thought that if both the new upstart prodigy and the old king were struggling, they had no chance. They completely ignored the repeated successes of their own direct rivals, Warner Bros. Family Entertainment with Space Jam, Pippi Longstocking, and Quest For Camelot. They also refused to capitalize on the failure of The Iron Giant by beginning marketing material for Titan AE back in October of 1999. They killed themselves at a time when they could've had the niche all alone.
That is a very interesting way to look at it.
It's the truth. Titan AE basically had that summer to itself. It only had to compete with The Emperor's New Groove later in December and The Road To El Dorado, which had already wound down and was being removed from theatre rotation when it released. Meanwhile in 1997 Anastasia had to fight Cat's Don't Dance, Babes In Toyland, Hercules, and Pippi Longstocking, and yet it still became the second highest grossing animated move of that year.
ahh, if only.
Wait, the Road to El Dorado was a failure? Mulan, too?
I was just a kid when those came out and I loved them to death, but I guess the adults didn't. :/
Road To El Dorado failed to make back it's initial cost, making like $75,000,000 against a $90,000,000 investment (not including marketing). Mulan apparently wasn't as good as the trio that kicked off the Disney Renaissance, and was deemed a failure, just breaking even with about $90,000,000 versus Aladdin's $220,000,000. All of those numbers are U.S.-only sales, not counting global markets. Disney also wasted a bunch of money with McDonald's and Hasbro tie-in deals for Mulan, which they shared with Pixar for A Bug's Life.
Titan AE is still one of my favorite animated movies. an easy to follow plot with just enough mature themes in them that anyone in the family could enjoy it.
You make it sound like Titan A.E. was an awful movie. It was very different, and probably didn't fit in with the expected aesthetic at the time but it was FAR from a bad movie. Amazing soundtrack and characters. The problem was the marketing. Also I feel like people at the time were not used to the concept of a mature plot in an animated film. Animation equated children and this plot was far too complicated and dark to be something aimed at younger audiences.
+Phii THANK YOU!!! Preach, preach! Preach ON!!! :))))
YES!!
I also loved Titan AE, it was a great film and its a shame it didn't make money.
Cosmic Castaway. Just saying.
I know right great movie the animation was some of the best I have seen till today
Titan A.E. wasn't actually a bad movie. I think that incorperating 3D animation had a negative effect on it though. Had the studio stayed true to 2D animation, I'm sure their budget and focus would've been better and the movie would've gained more critical acclaim and made more money.
Also is worth saying that the 3D animation on it was very weird...it didn't blend as well on 2D like other movies at the time and the movements of a few ships and aliens on these sometimes-2D-sometimes-3D environment felt really off.
Haven't seen Titan A.E., but it looks like it may be good. People get caught up in expecting something to be perfect, and sometimes the short-comings can truly ruin a film, especially when we have high expectations. But then, over time, we realize many of the films we enjoyed were not all that, and many of the bombs were better than they were given credit for. I expect to see Disney's modern legacy to fall into obscurity, while other studios and films that are currently mocked will be recognized for their quality that we overlook now.
I honestly liked it as a kid, but I haven;t seen it in years so that could be rose tinted spectacles
Although I agree with you that Titan A.E wasn't a bad movie and that 3d elements not meshing well, I think it's failure was more in regards to lack of marketing and not having an audience. The serious themes and action meant it couldn't really work for younger kids but the disney-ish animation would put off older audiences at the time (I think older audiences these days have a greater appreciation for non-"adult comedy" 2d animation then they did back then).
@@mezarisage6055 I watched as a kid and now I still love it.
I absolutely love Anastasia. I don't really know why but its actually one of my favorite animated movies. Send love to my Russian Princess
Didn't Anastasia get a lot of backlash from Russian audiences?
That would be awkward if it did.
You realize she was a real person...that was shot...right?
Dubuya Jay Her corpse was burned in acid soon after, and frown into an abandoned mine with her brother Alexi too (I think)
SAME H ERE!!! MY FAVORITE DISNEY FILM ISN"T EVEN DISNEY, GO FIGURE!!
Titan A.E is a wonderful movie-
a member of H.O.U.D I love it too. Didn’t know it was considered a flop
Am I the only person that finds Disney buying basically every studio ever sorta... Creepy? 😓 Seriously, it's actually taking over, and it's slowly eradicating any potential competition one by one... I find sorta almost unnerving... Not to mention I don't like how much of a monopoly it can put on the animation industry as a whole. Disney NEEDS competitors! It needs to be challenged! Other than that, it gets lazy and predictable, and it can afford to if there is nothing else for people to take their kids to see. They know they'll make money no matter what, good story or not. People like Mr. Bluth or DreamWorks, they have their own flavor to their work. They introduce New things to the table, but them, or any other company, gets bought out by Disney, it results in their flavors being mixed with Disney's, therefore diluting their original spirit. Idk, it seems Disney is afraid to have any competitors, so their opting for just taking over the entire industry, or at least as much of it as possible, to dash the notion out one by one.
Yes, me too. I am seriously concerned by how much of the media we consume now comes from Disney. I just hope Ryan Reynolds has what it takes to keep Deadpool rated R.
EXACTLY, like I’m so concerned! And nobody is taking notice of it. They just blink and shrug!
2CuteMadHatter I called Disney a monopoly in front of my college professor and she looked at me funny..like, am I wrong though? Disney has no rivals! The exact definition of monopoly.
@@Japanthewoman I don't think they'll change Deadpool because it's such a money maker, and that's something Disney knows how to do. Problem is, thats what they're most focused on: money. I'm not as worried about live action movies as much as the animated ones.
Let's face it, Moana was a weak movie, and Frozen has been boiled down to a cash cow. Disney NEEDS competitors to have any type of creativity kick in. And other studios have their own identities. But... Disney has one too, and a strong one at that, so I'm worried about things polluting each other and make everything a Disney brand flick, generic art style and all. It's not going to end well. ._. I mean, even Disney movies that didn't fit their brand did lousy because of the studio itself sabotaging them. Treasure Planet, Atlantis, heck, even Hercules didn't do as good because of the stories and even art styles! I truly think of Treasure Planet was released by somebody like DreamWorks instead, it would have been just as welcomed as El Dorado! We need other companies doing animations! We need more than one huge company having the monopoly, for both ethical reasons and creative ones. SO! As I said, it's super concerning. ;__;
@@TheLpsRebecca legit! Nobody cares! All I hear is, "Oh! Deadpool can make a cameo in Infinity War now~!" But nobody is really seeing what's going on!
There lived a certain man in Russia long ago
He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
He could preach the bible like a preacher
Full of ecstasy and fire
But he also was the kind of teacher
Women would desire
Ra ra Rasputin
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
Ra ra Rasputin
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on
Idk why but ok.
-sigh-
im afraid to ask
It's a song y'all
In the thumbnail, I seen Titan AE and Anastasia, I loved BOTH of those movies. They will forever be in my heart.
Fun fact, as a child, Titan AE was my favorite movie...
I personally liked Titan A.E.
It didn't have this "Save the Earth" mentality, as Earth was destroyed in the first act. I loved the mix of 2D and 3D animation.
But everbody is entitled to their own opinion. ;)
Yeah i agree, i love that movie.
Yeah I met Don Bluth, he puts on plays here in AZ and he's an amazing dude.
Watch the nostalgia critic videos with Don Bluth in it
Completely disappointed with the dood
How Disney displayed the story of Pocahontas, it might as well been a fairy tale.
Rusted GreatSword I mean same with Anastasia but it’s good to see Native American and Russian charters get spotlights in films and I loved both films growing up as well
Savages is the best song
Right?
History: Look at the little girls who were cruelly killed as a domination tactic in power disputes.
Animators: But they were PRINCESSES!!!!!
@@mickymcbryan4814 pocahontas died because she was sick and anastasia was killed so nobody is a succession, so the monarchs have a conflict whos the next king/tsar in russia because they are all related to each other (katharina the great from germany for example)
@@twagon8854 what I meant was power struggles, not monarchy.
Pocahontas died of an STD given to her by a man she was forced to marry as a symbol of british control over her father's territory.
Anastasia was executed in a political coup.
Little girls killed by power struggles.
We need hand-drawn animated films that aren’t anime. It just doesn’t have the same appeal or magic that traditional squash-and-stretch style western animation has.
Titan A.E is a great movie, damn the consumers and critics.
Cause it is. I watch it every now and then. Along with Treasure Island it is one my favorite animated movies.
Titan AE is great film, but the 2d animation would be better if it were a bit smoother. Great name for the new planet though.
I agree.
I spent years reminding people Anastasia is not a Disney princess, and it's not a millionaire mouse that's going to change that
too late. by legal and rights she is.
I mean she's also had Disney heritage due to don working at Disney
You’re right, she will never be a Disney princess as she doesn’t meet any of the requirements, the most important of which is being in a Disney released animated film.
Really got to admire Bluth's dedication to making better animated films than Disney. And while his aren't as well known nowadays, there still a classic. I have to say the huge irony on Fox since they are now owned by Disney the same studio they wanted to compete against.
Excuse me, I loved Thumbelina and The pebble and the penguin! Those were my childhood movies and I still love them to this day 💕
Don Bluth is still the best, and hopefully we'll see his masterpiece Dragon's Lair.
I feel sad and heartbroken that Fox Animation Studios shut down. They have a lot of potential to become one of the best animation studios just like Disney, Pixar, or Studio Ghibli. They have such great talented animators and great filmmakers who can make great animated stories that can appealed to both kids, adults and even the family audience.
I love Anastasia and enjoyed Titan A.E. and I honestly didn't know who made their animated movies until now.
Why can't Fox just own two animation studios? Blue Sky Studios and Fox Animation Studios. They could used their two animation studios to rival with Disney and Pixar.
Studio Ghibli should never be mentioned in the same sentence as those other studios. Ghibli is so beyond the rest words cannot describe
I loved Robots. Nobody talks about it anymore though. Will someone hear my plight? Saberspark, please.
I saw it in theaters and thought it was alright. Bought the dvd years later and it has some interesting insights on the director commentary track.
BLT Player I love the adult jokes
"I know this place like the back of my hand! Oh, thats new!"
I remember laughing so much at that movie when I was a child.
Didn't know Titan flopped...I loved it! It was more adult-ish than any of the Disney fare at the time and I liked that. The voice acting was amazing and along with Anastasia, those two movies were the standard by which I judged all animation by for years. Actually, I still do--there's a certain amount of artistry in the 2D animation I really appreciate that just isn't there in the computer generated stuff we see now. The only thing that really comes close is some of the anime, and even a lot of that still isn't on the same level. Frankly, they did such a spectacular job on the animation for both movies that they still hold up in 2018, and they're STILL better movies than a good chunk of the stuff that's come out in the last decade. Maybe it's the writing, maybe it's the animation, I don't know; the voice acting is always well done, but even that can't save a movie.
All I can say is that Don Bluth is a god and the fact that I remember his name after all these years says something--who directed/created/etc. all those Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks films? No idea. The only one I remember is the guy that did The Incredibles, Brad Bird, and that's probably only because I've seen the movie so many times. The Little Mermaid was the big movie that sticks in my mind as a good example of what animation can do with water and the only 3D one that immediately comes to mind that does a comparable job (I guess) was Tangled, maybe Moana. Something's been lost in translation during the transition from 2D to computer generated stuff and I can't put it to words. It's like the movies have lost a certain textural feel to them, a certain amount of heart and soul. Yeah, that's a bad way of putting it, I'll stop now.
Thumbelina was a bit silly, but it was also a favorite...probably because it was so silly and I was a kid. Troll in Central Park and The Pebble and the Penguin were ones I had no desire to see, and from what I've read then and since, I'm glad I didn't and still haven't. All Dogs Go To Heaven and An American Tail were good, but they're hard for me to watch now as an adult because I didn't realize as a kid just how seriously dark they were in certain parts...and that kinda weirds me out a little. I mean, they're good movies, but man, An American Tail is some heavy duty material. The Secret of NIMH falls somewhere in the middle, probably because it has to do with animals, not people, but it's still a pretty serious movie. Ah, the 80s, where dark and serious was okay for kids--and we loved it! The lighting effects in that movie were absolutely beautiful. I love that movie. And it still holds up.
Wow...I really enjoyed Titan A.E. when I was younger with my only issue being that it was short. Can't believe it was the film that killed the studio.
Funny... I loved Titan A.E. when I saw it on TV as a kid once and have recently been searching for it's title since I didn't remember it. Now I find it and it turns out that this movie flopped so hard, it killed the studio which had produced it. Rip nostalgia goggles.
Titan AE is awesome
I feel exactly like that. I loved the movie as a kid and I am fairly certain I still would if I rewatched it.
I'd really like to know WHY it flopped so hard.
I don't even remember the movie, I just remember the girl because she's hot, I have a thing for asian women with colorful hair, also the girl from 6teen looks like her.
Russians are incredibly durable. Rasputin was poisoned, shot, and beaten with a club, And the only part that killed him was being drowned in a river
It's so fucked up that it's comical.
@Federico Puscoy I can see a guy barely surviving a shooting and poisoning if done in rapid succession, like either you miss a major blood vessel or organ with the shot and misdose the poison.
well....his body disappeared afterwords
that led to rumors that he's still alive
He didn't drown, he died from hypothermia.
Please God alternatively the *russian* assassins were thst incompetent
Titan AE is the reason why I calling everything "Bob"
Yeah, it could've been worse. Comcast could've won the purchase of Fox, and we would never see The X-Men, The Fantastic Four, or Deadpool in the MCU. Getting back on topic, Don Bluth was probably one of the most underrated talents in animation. He deserves some credit for challenging Disney way before Dreamworks came along. Not all of his films are great, but they're beautiful to look at, and while his 'Dragons Lair', and 'Space Ace' games might be seen today by most people as glorified cut scenes with quicktime based mechanics, they were jaw dropping in their day.
Wait, so that means that the X-Men and the Fantastic 4 will be in the MCU?
Just imagine being a kid in that era and see the booths of those games for the first time. Must have been magical...
Oh no what ever would we do without those shitty overrated movies.
… Considering what Disney is doing to star wars annnnnd the fact the next Super hero film is going to be starting a SJW... No thanks.
@@charlesman8722 "next super hero is going to be starting a sjw"
So what you're saying is you're assuming too much?
I used to love Titan A.E.
No clue why, I just really enjoyed it.
Maybe it's the atmosphere it has. Quite unique for an animated film back in the days.
I still like it. It aged pretty decently.
I think it had the right mix of despair and wonder. It paced it's story well, didn't shout the plot twist, and even had a bit of redemption. I still enjoy it.
Anastasia is one of my favourite non Disney movies but Fox just ruins it self which is kinda sad tbh.
Mizuki Same with me and Anastasia! But I think capitalism and just trying to compete with Dreamworks and Disney really killed them!
Maybe Disney killed it.... Who knows Disney clearly wants to be the best... Which is usually why i avoid watching Disney movies XDDD
Journey to the Past sung by the late great Aaliyah was nominated for an Oscar and at the time (before Moana was nominated) she was the youngest person ever nominated for an Oscar in that category if I’m not mistaken
Cris M lol
I _liked_ Titan A.E. I watched that movie over and over as a kid. Almost as much as the 1980s Transformers movie.
the worst fact is that titan a.e. was actually a very good animated movie, i loved it
just marketing was terrible, and some action was cut out
still was solid movie
maybe disney can make a sequel a=since they have the marketing team and definetly the budget... wishful thinking but I would love to see more of that movie..... maybe not though it could be a really bad cash grab so.... super super wishfull thinking
See, I really liked Titan AE as a kid. It was a cool Sci-Fi movie, I thought, and I still remember it fondly. Shame it got swallowed up by competition so easily.
Fuuuck. Titan AE. My dad used to watch that movie a bit when I was little. Every time I think of the earth exploding from aliens I think of that movie
The SpotLight me too and honestly I love that movie
I see, the movie taught you to fear the wrong enemy. You should be worried about VORGONS.
I can't believe Titan A.E didn't do well. I absolutely loved it when it came out and 18 years later I still do it's one of my favourite films.
I rather liked Titan AE so much so i bought it again after my VCR died for what it was it was a good bit of art in the days. If wasnt for Disney pushing 3d i think it would of been fine back then but still it wasnt a bad movie in my mind.
I know right I loved that movie
I absolutely love Titan A.E.
Fox ruined fox animation
true
It was doomed from the start, fox wanted a 3D studio like Pixar from the start. They were not caught off guard, by the industry. There are 3D elements all over Anastasia, (the train, the reliquary). Its failure was the board was promised one thing but then given another.
I miss Fox's 2D animation division, as I think 3D-animated films are overrated. Good video.
I heard Don Bluth and my head spun! This man changed my whole childhood with All Dogs Go to Heaven movies and other amazing films. He captures things only old school Disney can capture and isn't afraid to show the darkness in the world with his movies.
I loved titan A.E. i dont see why everyone has such a h8 on for it
+Ojthemighty Same here, 100%!!! :l
To be fair, the presenter never gave us HIS opinion of the movie... Maybe he loved it too?
@infinityrose92 yeah fair enough a reasonable response, we cant be friends, but a reasonable response
A lot of Don Bluth here! I like it. Someone should do video on his films in general
Animat did a video of the history of Don Bluth
Rebecca Wykes yeah. I just mean a full video essay on Don Bluth but Animat did make a great video series
Funny, because Disney just bought Fox. The irony is so thicc you could cut it with a spoon.
Uhh... It's so thicc you could cut it with a spoon?
ThisIsABetterName YT that's what they said
The "Granny... it's me... Anastasia" audition scene KILLS ME every time 😂😂😂
The Secret of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite movies.
Same.
Have you seen the sequel? Fucking cringe
Rue The Weenie I saw the sequel first as a little kid. Once I saw OG Secret of NIMH, I felt a horrible taste in my mouth.
Disney.
STOP BUYING EVERYTHING!
HASNT INCREDIBLES TAUGHT YOU WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVERYTHING IS "SUPER"?!
*+I Control My Fate* Exactly.
In the end, Disney will be nothing. It's buying names instead of building it's own.
Back in the day you could say "I worked on Disney" and people would be in awe. Soon you can say "I worked on Disney" and they'll respond "Doesnt everyone?"
But being Disney doesn't make it super, it makes it weak, lazy, and boring.
@I Control My Fate marvel reference?
What Western cultural properties you know that don't yet belong to Disney? Especially of the ones aimed for children and young adults, I don't think I can think of many off the top of my head. I wouldn't try to predict what such monopolization of culture (youth culture, no less) could do to the society, but it can't be good for it. In fact, the pictures my imagination seems to insist on painting are quite dystopian.
Good fucking point.
You know your company is failing when one of your most popular movies people don't even know you made it. It was hard for me to realise Shrek wasn't a Disney princess then Anastasia
No im sorry that's on you.
boi i cried for 2 days knowing my donkey boi isn't a princess sidekick. With Anastasia i always knew was a fox boi but it's one of the most common cases of it.
Shrek is the true princess and yall know it.
@@same9818 true though
My senior year of high school, one group of girls was going to perform a number from "Anastasia" for a talent show but it got shot down because music from Disney shows was not allowed...😑 (It wasn't Disney!) They did a number from "Annie" instead.
Lol Anastasia was my favourite movie as a kid, I still love it to this day 😅 I can’t lie, I prefer 2d animation, it’s so fluid and beautifully artistic and anything is possible.
Wait, you mean they made animated movies that *aren’t* Anastasia?
I remember Titan A.E. fondly. The beginning of the movie made my heart sink when I first saw it as a kid, it was really impactful. One of the things that made it flop was probably its much darker and mature tone - there was blood, neck-breaking, blowing up from the inside and genocide in the movie - that didn't fly with parents. Christian audiences might've criticized the plot being about destroying and recreating worlds. The movie was too early for its time and maybe too unaware of its demographic, but it really wasn't bad.
I never knew there could have been a religious stand-point against it. I've heard the whole 'violent movies causing violent kids' (or whatnot). But in our house (Christian), the only reason they were ever against the movie was because I had them watch it too many times. :)
i imagine it'd have been a massive hit if it came out nowa days in 3D
Calarts: Don Bluth's animation sucks
Pretty much everyone: really?
I'm legit sick of the CalArts style. Only Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken can make it look remotely not-crap.
*IRONY:* The only reason CalArts exists to begin with is because Walt Disney himself helped fund its creation.
Yeah, I miss those old non-disney animated movies. They had so much more character. Sure, titan ae sucked, but it would be nice if Disney didn't have such a creative monopoly. Exactly Like Comcast LOL.
Funny how Disney is the root of my childhood. So many trained artist that left made almost all my favorite non-Disney films. NIHM was also a real place that did real animal testing. I love the mature themes Bluth put into his films, how you could ignore the themes and just watch as a child, then as a teenager rewatch them and actually get it. This is what makes deeper concepts in animations so great. Also let's thank these movies for giving some awesome voice actors their careers.
So, based upon this, nothing *ruined* Fox Animation Studios (except for the usual nostalgia goggles everyone wears these days.) Sounds like they were crippled from the start in spite of the brilliant Don Bluth. They were killed by a combination of the usual suspects, those being internal politics and the same idiotic, pretentious critics that have been ruining things for years.
Did you see Thumbelina or Troll in Central Park? Yes Don Bluth was a great animator but the substance of a movie's story matters too. Those 2 movies were beautiful but vapid, wasted really.
Yep pretty much
CoolerKing37 You have no idea how critical opinion can affect a movie do you?
Yeah but block busters which are part of established franchises are too big to fail, so they are the exception. They will ALWAYS do well regardless of what critics say. But films that arnt part of established franchises need to do well with critics to survive, but even critical approval isn't always enough.
So Comcast buys Dreamworks, and Disney buys Fox Animation.
And Sony is just there to exist.
AT 8:45 THE TITLE "ROBOTS" JUST BROUGHT BACK SO MANY LOCKED AWAY MEMORIES HOLY SHIT
Why couldn't the bycicle stand by itself?
*it was 2 tired*
*WHY*
An stand?
Get outta here dad!
*Daddy Jokes Intensifies*
Delet this
Anastasia for Kingdom Hearts 4!
googamp32 I wish XD
StephySon same
Disney needs to stop buying everything
Mitary K.
Ain’t there a laws against or for that?
Eh, Disney lawyers would find a way around any law,
Disney lawyers found a way to not make Mickey Mouse part of the public domain. I'm sure they are capable of everything. Which is quite worrying, frankly speaking.
Look at this cute kitty c: It really is scary
Secret of NIMH will always remain my favorite animated movie of all time.
I named my dog Nicodemus because of that movie
Marketing if what killed Fox animation not Titan A.E. because it is still a good movie.
@Mammoth Supremacy 55 its aight
Titan AE is a great movie
Titan A.E. was the shit💯💯💯
Some context on why Titan A.E. flopped. At the end of the 90’s going into the 2000’s apparently there was some kind of Christian revival in the United States. Due in part to that, many parents forbade their kids from seeing it in theaters since the plot revolved around destroying and remaking the world. Something many at the time considered sac religious.
Full disclosure. This didn’t stop me from dragging my mom to the theater at the age of 8. This film and The Iron Giant were my favorite movies growing up. The latter being the first film I remember crying watching.
Also,Titan A.E. was great! Fight me!
Let me guess, when Holgath was knocked out cold and the robot thought he died? Or the sacrificial ending? For me both 😭😭😭
I also loved titan a.e, I didn't deserve the harsh criticism It endured. I went to see it with my best mate when we were 16 and 17 and we both came out of that cinema loving that film. 18 years later we still love it.
I'm not going to fight you man. Titan A.E. is freaking awesome!
Never seen it I'll have to watch it
I loved Titan A.E. as a kid. I was honestly surprised to hear it was a flop. Now I want to watch it again
It's true that Fox's animation studio opened up at the worst possible time, given the changes in climate with the animation industry such as the arrival of CGI, but the studio's other major failing was that they were far too ambitious, as well as far too ahead of their time.
With Anastasia, it has the same problem that Disney's own Pocahontas does, basing itself off of historical accounts and fantasizing them, though I personally think Anastasia is the better film, it's a far cry from the source material. Titan A.E. wasn't a bad film, but it was an especially baffling film due to it being PG-13 and aimed towards an older audience, which at the time was unthinkable given how animation at the time was still seen as being primarily for children, a stigma that still lasts to this day. That's probably the main reason why that film failed, combined with all the production problems it had.
Blue Sky, on the other hand, is the exact opposite, in which the studio has potential to be like it's short-lived predecessor, but the higher ups at Fox prevent it from truly flourishing, constantly demanding more Ice Age sequels which continuously decline in quality. Now that Disney owns Fox, Blue Sky is in a state of limbo and there's now less animation studios and less diversity in the animation climate, given how Dreamworks, Illumination, Sony and Warner Bros just make the same kind of films again and again and don't really have distinct styles beyond pop-culture reference after pop-culture reference and refuse to get out of that style... and yet when it comes to Disney's purchase of Fox, everyone only cared about the Marvel characters and ignored everything else.
I thought Disney bought Marvel, I did not know Disney bought FOX
They bought Fox Entertainment; aka all the movie rights and whatnots.
Man...I LOVED Titan AE.
Say what you will about Pebble and the Penguin, at least it had Tim Curry
This is exactly my thoughts. Tim Curry's song was awesome.
Tim Curry is an amazing actor! especially vocal acting
True,Tim Curry is a amazing legend.
Titan AE kind of looks like Treasure Planet. the art style any way
+yaoiobsetion It’s the other way around! Titan A.E. came out two years before Treasure Planet! :l
And both flopped hard.
As a kid, I learned about Treasure Planet and thought it was boring and cringey. Then I saw Titan and thought “this looks the same except Earth dies in the first five minutes... an improvement”. I only saw each one time though.
Titan AE was better than Treasure Planet. Treasure Planet had a weak ending, sorry to say, but it's true.
i insisted to watch treasure planet when I was 10 coz i kinda feel like its an adult thing to watch then I tried to watch it when i was 16 and pretty much enjoyed some parts but not the ending, the ending sucks balls.
Titan ae on the other hand is what I enjoy to watch as an 8 yr old douche boy.
Fox Animations was doomed even before it started working. The success of Anastasia helped it live a little longer but like Amblimation, it was just not meant to be. Titan AE was forced into Bluth because they literally didn't had any other scripts to immediately work with, and it was a poor choice. The movie wasted 30 millions on pre-production just on that transition of live action to animation plus the 75 million on producingbthe actual movie, and besides the fact it really wasn't suited for Bluth's style.
It mixed 3 stuff Bluth was clueless about: 3D animation, action focused story and sci-fi. Unlike Space Ace, Titan AE was an apocalyptic story that took itself very seriously, and Bluth, that had an style more focused on atmospheric and worked mostly on a lot of stilt images on his movies, now had to work on a fast paced movie with plenty of explosions, shooting and chase scenes. Poor guy really did his best but it wasn't the best choice for him.
2:32 Funny thing....
I LOVED all three of those films.