It's important to note that the speed difference between GTE and GT3 comes down to the specific BoP of the series they are racing in. For example, the fastest GT3 around Spa is actually a 2:13.7 from last years GT Open qualifying, much closer to GTE times than GT3 cars running at Spa in SRO. Another example is GTD cars in IMSA run with slightly less HP than GT3 cars in SRO to create a bigger gap between the GTLM cars. Also another thing to note is GT3 has always been a GT3 class since it's inception in 2006. However GTE, back in the day called GT2, didn't rely on it until factory teams started coming in.
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7:04 Yes, 100%. Consistently THE best racing of the entire year was Le Mans GTE class. Leaders still nose to tail & going at it like a touring car race 23 hours & 55 minutes in. From 2015 to 2019 the Porsche, Ford, Aston & Corvette battles were epic & honestly it was BOP that made it that way - apart from when it very occasionally was a bit heavy handed AHEMaston2019
BOP is [if well dealt] what keeps a series I've fallen in love with from being murdered by cost or a single make keeping other makes from even showing up. The 917/30, Toyota Eagle GTP Mk III, Porche GT1, etc.
Only a couple of years ago I went to the WEC race at Silverstone and it was Aston V Ferrari V Porsche V Ford V BMW. It was the best part of the race as was the case with all WEC races that year. I'm hoping the series does the sensible thing and switch to GT3s. I've watched them racing in the British GT Championship and Blancpain events at Brands Hatch and you still get good racing. GT isn't about the cars, its about the drivers.
GT3 seems to become the new Group A (older people like me may remember that...) which doesn't have to a bad thing. In history it was always good when manufacturers could build one car and teams could race it around the world in at least a dozen of racing series. That's at least my personal opinion. You all may agree, but you don't have to.
Well done on tackling such a confusing topic in such a short video. Another common BOP change is ride height. A car will be penalised by adding height, and helped by lowering. It's seemed to me that GTE was a way for the factories to charge a whole lot more for the cars (GTE can be double the price of GT3) and build them with more engineering "lattitude" vs the garden variety showroom version. EG the 911 GTE is mid engined, the GT3 rear engined. Then with all the clever thinking applied the car is then BOP'd anyway! Opportunity lost you think? When the current Porsche 911 GTE was designed (by an Australian lead engineeer whose name I forget) they had the philosophy that their peak pace will be BOP'd so the goal was to build the most consistent car they could over a stint. That way their slower laps would be closer to their fastest laps.
Great video but because of the gameplay footage I've gotta say, for the life of me I cannot put together a decent lap around Mount Panorama/Bathurst. When I see it come up on a series schedule I just chalk that one up as a horribly embarrassing loss.
The most versatile GT cars of the last few years have been the Ferrari 488, BMW Z4, BMW M6 because all of them were modular chassis that could be swapped between GTE Spec and GT3 Spec.
Aiden, while you're correct that pro drivers will be in GTD cars soon, it's precicisely because of the dwindling interest in IMSA's GTLM class that they're merging it with GTD next year. Granted, the WEC has had LMGTE Pro and Am for a few years.
As an American who just started sim racing 8 months ago its truky amazing how much incredible racing I have and most of America has been missing out on. All bit it a bit confusing. Lol thanks for the breakdown, and after watching 20 hours out of 24 of le mans apparenlty these hyper cars are really going to explode starting next year.
I'm one of the few Americans who not only has not been missing out on sim racing but also carving out quite an amazing career for myself and I agree with this, if more Americans got into this sim racing venture we would probably see more than just a bunch of stock car drivers from that region of the world.
For one of these I sort of wish one would be "what's so-and-so? ... No idea. No one does. I've been Aidan Millward, have a great day wherever you are."
No, I don't think that's a great idea. Aidan makes money from video length and adverts on some videos. A video that short isn't going to work for that. If you like his content, you'll want them long enough
@@swj719 - comedy is good... When it's funny. I'm a particular fan of Archer, Bojack Horseman, Disenchantment, Sex Education (Netflix UK show) and Atypical (Netflix America? show) I'm not a fan of the joke comment on TH-cam that got 0 likes and didn't even include one laugh-crying face 🤣 because it wasn't actually funny so no one is laugh crying. Mission failed, we'll get 'em next time
I think they should merge the two, rather than just throwing out GTE completely. It'd be nice to keep the extra HP, beefier tires etc. Just keep the rest OEM and add on the ABS for the AMs.
There have been various attempts to find common ground and a merged Technical spec. The stubbornness of the ACO and I suspect luke warm support from manufacturers who like selling expensive GTE class cars have prevented this happening.
Looking around looks like per season cost is 10 times more expensive for GTE which is more like a manufacturers works series. I like the idea of adding aero and HP but I don’t think that will make 4 seconds difference.
Gt3 started at the performance of about gt4. But then they got faster and faster to what they are now days. Very much designed for pro am racing. Gte come from gt2 which is the Aco formula amd from the outset was for the factory to wage war on each other. The reason gt3 is not a le mans is due to the fact the ACO likes having categories that they thought of. There was a time in the early 2010s when convergence of both classes was heavily looked into but then the talks broke down.
I know this but constantly need a refresher because it's not as clear a performance difference when you watch 30 GT cars go round a track. It is, but it blurs a bit. As opposed to LMP1 vs LMP2 and 5 laps in the difference is obvious.
Don't think I understand your reference regarding balancing the weight vs horsepower reduction for BoP. Clearly the balance of the car is affected with a ballast, but you are easily able to even out the performance based on weight. It is not the worst possible thing to reduce output.
Well done Aiden. Except you sandbagged the drivers reaction to taking horsepower from their car. So, when are you going to do a 'What if' Ken Miles? A bit of local home town video footage of places he would have frequented would be nice. Keep up the good work.
I think IMSA is doing the right thing getting rid of GTLM and going to full gt3 (gtd) cars. 10hp is definitely not worth 6 seconds - the GTE/GTLM cars have much better aero. As in more downforce.
Even if Aston wasn't gone for 2021, Porsche were likely going to go next since they officially confirmed they are doing LMDH. GTLM, like GT1 before it, is dead. Little to no PRO teams with numbers that are a joke in comparison to the Prototype classes so lets not act like Lawrence Stroll killed a class when it was obvious upon the leaving of Ford AND BMW that it was inevitable.
It was dying anyway with BMW and Porsche also pulling. For factory entries there’s only the See Ate Argh and the Ferrari left. It’s probably more cost effective for the manufacturers to enter GT3 and sell a boatload of customer entries than commit to GTE But people will find it easier to blame papa stroll.
6:07 The Mercedes GT3 car at the time was the then, brand new AMG GT. Also while the officials decided "they were taking the piss", they wouldn't get penalised for taking the piss. In that situation where a car had been sand bagged that heavily the officials would just chuck some more ballast or a small restrictor if they were REALLY taking the piss. The penalties were acquired for "an illegal ignition timing setting"
I don't get why GT3/GTE weren't/aren't bolt on differences between the cars. Take a single chassis, engine, wheels and suspension, then have a 50kg ballast plate, smaller diffuser and an air restrictor to turn a GTE into a GT3. That way you limit the cost of development, plus if the same team wants to race in two classes at different events they need only one car and a relatively cheap parts kit. There's always the risk of shenanigans (oops our GT3 restrictor's too big) but it's motor racing, there will always ben shenanigans.
We've had racing for NINTENTY fucking YEARS without it. It's 100% not needed. Motorsports and just sports in general do NOT need socialism or communism. I guess they should've given Usain Bolt shitty shoes and made him wear heavy shirts once he started being quite fast, eh?
@@DiegoRuiz1991 I'm 6 months late but I'll attempt to say this anyway: BOP exists because sanctioning bodies want to guarantee closer racing to generate more interest around their series in order to make more money, and also because car manufacturers don't want to fully commit to something that might hinder their profits. That's literally capitalism at work. Capitalism and meritocracy are not the exact same thing.
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Class ones are built around a spec "tub" and have tons of downforce, as they are able to build what is effectively a prototype around it. They have zero parts from the road car they are named after. DTMs used a smaller motor, while their Super GT mates in Japan use a more powerful turbo and are roughly as fast as the new Hypercars.
Also: DTM manufacturers had to provide engines of same displacement and cylinder count. Brakes, tires and transmissions were all spec parts. It feels very similar to modern NASCAR with handing.
@@colinjohnson5515 you're wrong about the handling part: Class One cars are similar to single seaters in terms of handling, while NASCAR cars handle like road going cars.
@@juanvelez5699 More or less. The bodywork is built from scratch to look like a road car, but it's not the same parts. To get an understanding of speed, try watching Super GT races here on YT. They are available in full on The Race channel. You'll see how often they lapped those GT3s (it's a two-class series, class one is the top class, GT3-equal machinery is the minor one). Super GT Class ones are faster than DTMs though. Lap times on Fuji Speedway: f1 1:18, lmp1 hybrid 1:22, super GT class one 1:26, super gt gt3 1:35.
@@ronniewinn6149 we all know they cam just raise power and lower ballast to make these cars way faster than they are (GTE, GT3 and, in the future, GT2).
Yep. I'm one of those. I don't understand why BOP was not introduced before 2006, if it is so necessary. It's "sports car racing". The Bentley Continental GT, the BMW M6 and the Lexus RC-F are NOT sports cars. Those cars are not needed in sports car racing. There is no BOP in rallying, not even in the lower classes. Why should it be in sports car racing and touring car racing? It makes more sense to make everyone use a control chassis, like in NASCAR and Supercars. This is what I think. Responds are welcome.
I'm of the opinion (and I may be wrong) that if there was no BoP then manufacturers would have less incentive to spend the money on GT3 cars. I think you can see that in GTE already where cost doesn't justify the benefits gained by winning at that level. I'm not against a series where manufactures can build a car without that regulation in place but in IMSA specifically I think you'd suffer from small car counts and less than competitive racing. I think IMSA is one of the best series on the planet right now in terms of good racing across many platforms. DPi is another good example of that where manufacturers are more than excited about producing LMDH cars because the cost and competitiveness is right. I'm not sure how GT3 PRO and AM will look but I'm optimistic
@@samkwant4050 fair point. But cars like those have been part of GT racing only for the last 10 years. It wasn't like this, before: the Ferrari 550 and the Aston Martin DB9 are, when compared to the Bentley, the BMW and the Lexus, basically full flegged race cars. The M6 is just a modified 6 Series. It's a whole different thing.
@@abledog9462 I like the Daytona Prototype concept. I still think that LMDH should be done slightly differently, but anyway... The LMH class is bullshit to me. BOP on cars designed specifically for racing? That's something I really don't understand. DPi for life, at this point.
@@joshridgeon4777 I only know LMP1 from the nordschleife World Record and LMP2 from iRacing IMSA class honestly haha. Not sure where DPI fits into all of this.
@@MotocrossRacingOnline dpi is based on an LMP2 chassis but with different engines and aero regs, faster than LMP2 but slower that LMP1. Although this is going to become outdated in the next year or so with LMDh and LM hypercar
GTD is a pretty misleading name, cuz GT3 is invented and managed by the SRO. They call it GTD because they allow national (american) GT3 cars too, I guess. So the Daytona part is actually pretty minor.
Time to get rid of both and finally* start with a clean sheet approach: GTE is dead and GT3 has grown too expensive. *what happens when rule makers do not prefer a clean sheet approach can be seen in the mess which will be this year's Le Mans race.
I pretty much feel the same way with Aston dropping out of the GTE class. Tempted to start following someone like Corvette simply because IMSA is, by far, my favourite series to watch at the moment. And Porsche just...meh.
With BOP you essentially end up with the same car performance, just with a different body shell, they may as well have a one make chassis series and save everyone the headache. I suppose BOP series are interesting to someone dim enough to believe the balanced cars are different because they look different and just want to watch high speed bumper cars to cheer on a specific driver like their tribal leader, and don't have the intellect to understand the engineering aspect of constructor based racing.
I notice this in alot of places (Mostly F1): People want "Side by Side" racing that has been overly romanticized by Hollywood and cannot grasp this idea that in reality, Racing isn't "Side-by-side" 100% of the time, even in the "Golden Era" and earlier.
@@RACECAR I agree. By the way, I think that reducing the effect of dirty air is necessary. If a problem has been part of something for decades, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be solved. I'm also ok with the budget cap.
Well maybe this is just what i care about, but isn't it the point of motorsport to build the best car? I'm just so sick of cars that are made to be identical
"but isn't it the point of motorsport to build the best car?" - not always. there are lots of single-make series where no one's building the best car, they only setup and race them. I think GT3 and BOP is a great concept that allows for close racing AND very diverse grids
BOP, the destroyer of innovation. Why make a faster car if the sanctioning body is just going to slow you down to the lowest performing car on the grid? It would be like making Usain Bolt run in high heels because everyone is slower than him.
Because any manufacturer could then just build a faster car, and the other would do the same and build another even faster and so on. Then we would be in the GT1 times where the cars where so fast and expensive that no manufacturer wanted to compete anymore.
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It's important to note that the speed difference between GTE and GT3 comes down to the specific BoP of the series they are racing in. For example, the fastest GT3 around Spa is actually a 2:13.7 from last years GT Open qualifying, much closer to GTE times than GT3 cars running at Spa in SRO. Another example is GTD cars in IMSA run with slightly less HP than GT3 cars in SRO to create a bigger gap between the GTLM cars. Also another thing to note is GT3 has always been a GT3 class since it's inception in 2006. However GTE, back in the day called GT2, didn't rely on it until factory teams started coming in.
And both GT Open and SRO run with more HP than GTE from what I have gathered as well...
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7:04 Yes, 100%. Consistently THE best racing of the entire year was Le Mans GTE class. Leaders still nose to tail & going at it like a touring car race 23 hours & 55 minutes in. From 2015 to 2019 the Porsche, Ford, Aston & Corvette battles were epic & honestly it was BOP that made it that way - apart from when it very occasionally was a bit heavy handed AHEMaston2019
I dig the background soundtrack on this one.
Please do a vid about the Trans-Am series.
BOP is [if well dealt] what keeps a series I've fallen in love with from being murdered by cost or a single make keeping other makes from even showing up. The 917/30, Toyota Eagle GTP Mk III, Porche GT1, etc.
It’s also limit engineering to the least of the class.
Only a couple of years ago I went to the WEC race at Silverstone and it was Aston V Ferrari V Porsche V Ford V BMW. It was the best part of the race as was the case with all WEC races that year. I'm hoping the series does the sensible thing and switch to GT3s. I've watched them racing in the British GT Championship and Blancpain events at Brands Hatch and you still get good racing. GT isn't about the cars, its about the drivers.
I think I speak for everyone when I say: What if Ken Miles didn't crash at Willow Springs testing the J Car
I just posted something about this exact thing.
Nothing would have happened. He was at the end of his racing career anyways
@@R4M_Tommy uhh huh.
Sure thing sport.
Oooo0hhhh good call 😀... why didn't I think of that 🤔dammit lol
@@R4M_Tommy but who knows what he would have developed
GT3 seems to become the new Group A (older people like me may remember that...) which doesn't have to a bad thing. In history it was always good when manufacturers could build one car and teams could race it around the world in at least a dozen of racing series. That's at least my personal opinion. You all may agree, but you don't have to.
I agree. I don't like GT3, but that's not because they're everywhere. In fact, it's a good thing.
Well done on tackling such a confusing topic in such a short video.
Another common BOP change is ride height. A car will be penalised by adding height, and helped by lowering.
It's seemed to me that GTE was a way for the factories to charge a whole lot more for the cars (GTE can be double the price of GT3) and build them with more engineering "lattitude" vs the garden variety showroom version. EG the 911 GTE is mid engined, the GT3 rear engined. Then with all the clever thinking applied the car is then BOP'd anyway!
Opportunity lost you think? When the current Porsche 911 GTE was designed (by an Australian lead engineeer whose name I forget) they had the philosophy that their peak pace will be BOP'd so the goal was to build the most consistent car they could over a stint. That way their slower laps would be closer to their fastest laps.
Great video but because of the gameplay footage I've gotta say, for the life of me I cannot put together a decent lap around Mount Panorama/Bathurst. When I see it come up on a series schedule I just chalk that one up as a horribly embarrassing loss.
The most versatile GT cars of the last few years have been the Ferrari 488, BMW Z4, BMW M6 because all of them were modular chassis that could be swapped between GTE Spec and GT3 Spec.
omg you used a karl dilkington quote, 'theres a lot of grippage'
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Aiden, while you're correct that pro drivers will be in GTD cars soon, it's precicisely because of the dwindling interest in IMSA's GTLM class that they're merging it with GTD next year. Granted, the WEC has had LMGTE Pro and Am for a few years.
As an American who just started sim racing 8 months ago its truky amazing how much incredible racing I have and most of America has been missing out on. All bit it a bit confusing. Lol thanks for the breakdown, and after watching 20 hours out of 24 of le mans apparenlty these hyper cars are really going to explode starting next year.
I'm one of the few Americans who not only has not been missing out on sim racing but also carving out quite an amazing career for myself and I agree with this, if more Americans got into this sim racing venture we would probably see more than just a bunch of stock car drivers from that region of the world.
For one of these I sort of wish one would be "what's so-and-so? ... No idea. No one does. I've been Aidan Millward, have a great day wherever you are."
No, I don't think that's a great idea. Aidan makes money from video length and adverts on some videos. A video that short isn't going to work for that. If you like his content, you'll want them long enough
@@AndrewGeierMelons why do you hate comedy?
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Mission failed, we'll get 'em next time
I love you Aidan
Honestly always wanted to know the differences
me too but not enough to actually research it
Can you talk about the potential death of DTM?
I think they should merge the two, rather than just throwing out GTE completely.
It'd be nice to keep the extra HP, beefier tires etc. Just keep the rest OEM and add on the ABS for the AMs.
There have been various attempts to find common ground and a merged Technical spec. The stubbornness of the ACO and I suspect luke warm support from manufacturers who like selling expensive GTE class cars have prevented this happening.
Looking around looks like per season cost is 10 times more expensive for GTE which is more like a manufacturers works series. I like the idea of adding aero and HP but I don’t think that will make 4 seconds difference.
Can you make a vid, why we have GTLM/GTE and GTD/GT3? I've read, there was some kind of diffrences between Stephane Ratel and the ACO some time ago.
Gt3 started at the performance of about gt4. But then they got faster and faster to what they are now days. Very much designed for pro am racing. Gte come from gt2 which is the Aco formula amd from the outset was for the factory to wage war on each other. The reason gt3 is not a le mans is due to the fact the ACO likes having categories that they thought of. There was a time in the early 2010s when convergence of both classes was heavily looked into but then the talks broke down.
Next episode Super GT gt500 vs lmp2
I know this but constantly need a refresher because it's not as clear a performance difference when you watch 30 GT cars go round a track. It is, but it blurs a bit. As opposed to LMP1 vs LMP2 and 5 laps in the difference is obvious.
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Really good video!
Don't think I understand your reference regarding balancing the weight vs horsepower reduction for BoP. Clearly the balance of the car is affected with a ballast, but you are easily able to even out the performance based on weight. It is not the worst possible thing to reduce output.
Well done Aiden. Except you sandbagged the drivers reaction to taking horsepower from their car.
So, when are you going to do a 'What if' Ken Miles? A bit of local home town video footage of places he would have frequented would be nice.
Keep up the good work.
Great video but just as a suggestion: would be nice to have some number on screen for visual people xD
I think IMSA is doing the right thing getting rid of GTLM and going to full gt3 (gtd) cars.
10hp is definitely not worth 6 seconds - the GTE/GTLM cars have much better aero. As in more downforce.
Aston gone from GTE. You can thank Poppa Stroll for that one!
GTE is gonna be dead as a class in the next couple of years anyway. IMSA have already announced this is the last year for it
Even if Aston wasn't gone for 2021, Porsche were likely going to go next since they officially confirmed they are doing LMDH. GTLM, like GT1 before it, is dead. Little to no PRO teams with numbers that are a joke in comparison to the Prototype classes so lets not act like Lawrence Stroll killed a class when it was obvious upon the leaving of Ford AND BMW that it was inevitable.
It was dying anyway with BMW and Porsche also pulling. For factory entries there’s only the See Ate Argh and the Ferrari left. It’s probably more cost effective for the manufacturers to enter GT3 and sell a boatload of customer entries than commit to GTE
But people will find it easier to blame papa stroll.
Aston Martin didn't went bankrupt in the last years thanks to Papa Stroll!
Only in Pro, they’ll still run customer support for GTE AM
I'm gonna miss gte/gt3. It's my favourite racing series in endurance.
Gt3 ain’t going away only GTE
@@PandyTimBR oh thank god
@@aydankhaliq2967 - GT3 would take over GTE (this is already done for IMSA's GTLM, replacing it with GTD PRO).
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Random question for you to discuss on your next video. F1 is considering sprint races on the Saturday. What are your views?
awesome video
6:07 The Mercedes GT3 car at the time was the then, brand new AMG GT. Also while the officials decided "they were taking the piss", they wouldn't get penalised for taking the piss. In that situation where a car had been sand bagged that heavily the officials would just chuck some more ballast or a small restrictor if they were REALLY taking the piss. The penalties were acquired for "an illegal ignition timing setting"
Taking the p[turbo his]s with censorship/demonetizaton avoidance.
I don't get why GT3/GTE weren't/aren't bolt on differences between the cars. Take a single chassis, engine, wheels and suspension, then have a 50kg ballast plate, smaller diffuser and an air restrictor to turn a GTE into a GT3. That way you limit the cost of development, plus if the same team wants to race in two classes at different events they need only one car and a relatively cheap parts kit. There's always the risk of shenanigans (oops our GT3 restrictor's too big) but it's motor racing, there will always ben shenanigans.
Didnt really explain the difference between the two categories if we are being honest
Why is BoP such a contentious subject? It makes the cars equal, so you don't get Mercedes waltzing away with the title every year.
Teams get there own chassis and bits and put racing back into drivers hands.
We've had racing for NINTENTY fucking YEARS without it. It's 100% not needed. Motorsports and just sports in general do NOT need socialism or communism. I guess they should've given Usain Bolt shitty shoes and made him wear heavy shirts once he started being quite fast, eh?
@@DiegoRuiz1991 I agree with what you're saying, but please, don't throw terms like socialism and communism in this lol
@@simoneburini4036 - It's the same basic concept: the good ones get PENALIZED for a forced idealized concept of "equality".
Fuck BoP.
@@DiegoRuiz1991 I'm 6 months late but I'll attempt to say this anyway: BOP exists because sanctioning bodies want to guarantee closer racing to generate more interest around their series in order to make more money, and also because car manufacturers don't want to fully commit to something that might hinder their profits. That's literally capitalism at work. Capitalism and meritocracy are not the exact same thing.
I would have much rather had a chart in the background organizing all the class...
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Can someone explain to me the difference between the old DTM cars (class one) and the GTE, thanks
Class ones are built around a spec "tub" and have tons of downforce, as they are able to build what is effectively a prototype around it. They have zero parts from the road car they are named after.
DTMs used a smaller motor, while their Super GT mates in Japan use a more powerful turbo and are roughly as fast as the new Hypercars.
Also: DTM manufacturers had to provide engines of same displacement and cylinder count. Brakes, tires and transmissions were all spec parts. It feels very similar to modern NASCAR with handing.
@@colinjohnson5515 you're wrong about the handling part: Class One cars are similar to single seaters in terms of handling, while NASCAR cars handle like road going cars.
@@imokin86 so its a prototype chasis with a road car body work? Are they faster than GTE? where can I find comparable lap times. Also thank you
@@juanvelez5699 More or less. The bodywork is built from scratch to look like a road car, but it's not the same parts.
To get an understanding of speed, try watching Super GT races here on YT. They are available in full on The Race channel. You'll see how often they lapped those GT3s (it's a two-class series, class one is the top class, GT3-equal machinery is the minor one). Super GT Class ones are faster than DTMs though.
Lap times on Fuji Speedway: f1 1:18, lmp1 hybrid 1:22, super GT class one 1:26, super gt gt3 1:35.
I hope the new GT2 category replaces both. More power, less aero
it won't because is aimed at gentlemen drivers and it was said that it would be slower than gt3, the last time I checked.
@@ronniewinn6149 we all know they cam just raise power and lower ballast to make these cars way faster than they are (GTE, GT3 and, in the future, GT2).
Are people that complain about BoP the same people that complain F1 isn't competitive?
Yep. I'm one of those. I don't understand why BOP was not introduced before 2006, if it is so necessary. It's "sports car racing". The Bentley Continental GT, the BMW M6 and the Lexus RC-F are NOT sports cars. Those cars are not needed in sports car racing. There is no BOP in rallying, not even in the lower classes. Why should it be in sports car racing and touring car racing? It makes more sense to make everyone use a control chassis, like in NASCAR and Supercars.
This is what I think. Responds are welcome.
@@simoneburini4036 actually it's GT racing, and the Bentley Continental GT, the M6, and the RC-F are exactly that
I'm of the opinion (and I may be wrong) that if there was no BoP then manufacturers would have less incentive to spend the money on GT3 cars. I think you can see that in GTE already where cost doesn't justify the benefits gained by winning at that level. I'm not against a series where manufactures can build a car without that regulation in place but in IMSA specifically I think you'd suffer from small car counts and less than competitive racing. I think IMSA is one of the best series on the planet right now in terms of good racing across many platforms. DPi is another good example of that where manufacturers are more than excited about producing LMDH cars because the cost and competitiveness is right. I'm not sure how GT3 PRO and AM will look but I'm optimistic
@@samkwant4050 fair point. But cars like those have been part of GT racing only for the last 10 years. It wasn't like this, before: the Ferrari 550 and the Aston Martin DB9 are, when compared to the Bentley, the BMW and the Lexus, basically full flegged race cars. The M6 is just a modified 6 Series. It's a whole different thing.
@@abledog9462 I like the Daytona Prototype concept. I still think that LMDH should be done slightly differently, but anyway... The LMH class is bullshit to me. BOP on cars designed specifically for racing? That's something I really don't understand. DPi for life, at this point.
Someone has watched Chris Harris' Bentley Team Parker Racing video of 24hr Spa 😉🤫
Good thing I namechecked Harris before making the point.
dpi lmp 1/2/3 next please 😏
You want the long answer or the short answer 😂
@@joshridgeon4777 I only know LMP1 from the nordschleife World Record and LMP2 from iRacing IMSA class honestly haha. Not sure where DPI fits into all of this.
@@MotocrossRacingOnline dpi is based on an LMP2 chassis but with different engines and aero regs, faster than LMP2 but slower that LMP1. Although this is going to become outdated in the next year or so with LMDh and LM hypercar
GTD is a pretty misleading name, cuz GT3 is invented and managed by the SRO. They call it GTD because they allow national (american) GT3 cars too, I guess. So the Daytona part is actually pretty minor.
Bop just gives drivers a reason to complain if their car isn’t op in a straight line anymore.
Love the Karl Pilkington call-out. Even if he has a head like a fkng orange.
Don't know about WEC, but GTLM in IMSA became the Corvette class because noone else is racing in it.
How parity works in btcc?
GT2, GT4, etc?
BOP only exists to make Race Drivers mad.
Change my mind.
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off topic but do what if Schumacher never joins Ferrari
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GTE is slowly going down
I'd prefer to see more manufacturers of gt3 cars at le mans than just gtlm factory cars
Time to get rid of both and finally* start with a clean sheet approach: GTE is dead and GT3 has grown too expensive.
*what happens when rule makers do not prefer a clean sheet approach can be seen in the mess which will be this year's Le Mans race.
I pretty much feel the same way with Aston dropping out of the GTE class. Tempted to start following someone like Corvette simply because IMSA is, by far, my favourite series to watch at the moment. And Porsche just...meh.
With BOP you essentially end up with the same car performance, just with a different body shell, they may as well have a one make chassis series and save everyone the headache. I suppose BOP series are interesting to someone dim enough to believe the balanced cars are different because they look different and just want to watch high speed bumper cars to cheer on a specific driver like their tribal leader, and don't have the intellect to understand the engineering aspect of constructor based racing.
That's what I'm thinking
I notice this in alot of places (Mostly F1): People want "Side by Side" racing that has been overly romanticized by Hollywood and cannot grasp this idea that in reality, Racing isn't "Side-by-side" 100% of the time, even in the "Golden Era" and earlier.
@@RACECAR I agree. By the way, I think that reducing the effect of dirty air is necessary. If a problem has been part of something for decades, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be solved. I'm also ok with the budget cap.
Well maybe this is just what i care about, but isn't it the point of motorsport to build the best car? I'm just so sick of cars that are made to be identical
Doing that is expensive and doesn't last. GT1 for example.
@@ma7mgte Yeah, i hope something like that will come along again at least for a while
"but isn't it the point of motorsport to build the best car?" - not always. there are lots of single-make series where no one's building the best car, they only setup and race them. I think GT3 and BOP is a great concept that allows for close racing AND very diverse grids
@@vsm1456 But no interesting cars
@@arztbesucharzt8143 I dunno, I find quite a few of them interesting. I guess it comes down to how you and I define this word...
i dont understand a shit
Easily explained: BOP is shit.
BOP shouldn’t exist. If your car isn’t as good as the competition then make it better.
BOP is for those who support participation trophies.
And watch costs spiral out of control to put the class out of existence, and we complain alot about why it happened.
BOP, the destroyer of innovation. Why make a faster car if the sanctioning body is just going to slow you down to the lowest performing car on the grid? It would be like making Usain Bolt run in high heels because everyone is slower than him.
Because any manufacturer could then just build a faster car, and the other would do the same and build another even faster and so on. Then we would be in the GT1 times where the cars where so fast and expensive that no manufacturer wanted to compete anymore.