Goes without saying but PLEASE do not send hate to the creators featured for their opinion in this video. Everyone has an opinion and even though I believe theirs were misinformed they shouldn't be subjected to any hate etc due to it.
All of this video 🙌🏻. I tried pointing out to one of the people shown in your video what he was actually endorsing after giving a step by step guide to buying fakes. He then continued to try and justify it, while also claiming he didn’t just do so. To see your stance on it, goes about it respectfully, clearly and gives genuine alternatives is fantastic, well done.
@@liamkavanagh1536 i can't save up 100£, i need it to be my budget for more then one shirt. And i don't have a good answer, but who told you the shirts in cfs are legit?
@@Shahar13 the fact they are the biggest distributors of second hand shirts in the world and as pointed out in this video, selling counterfeit goods is illegal, they would’ve been taken down if they were fake.
Video smacks a little bit of 'I've spent a lot of money on my kits, so everyone else should have to.' The point about worker or factory condition is splitting hairs considering nikes terrible track record with worker rights in Asia. They were accused very recently of using forced labour from Uighur Muslims. People don't have £60-£200 to spend on new/vintage kits to wear once a year at a festival or once a week at 5-a-side. Buying brand authentic kits is not some moral high road, its falling for the marketing of a brand who doesn't care about you.
@@austinotero2710yeah I would rather by a cheap £15 shirt and accidentally rip it or something a year later than buy a better quality shirt for £80+ that won’t rip, if it does rip I will just buy the shirt for £15 again😂😂 I don’t care about the little details
I have bought plenty of “fake” or “reproduction” football shirts. I’m an AC Milan fan and bought two shirts in adult sizes that I had a a young kid; those two shirts being the 11/12 and 14/15 AC Milan home kits. When comparing them I found that the 11/12 one was made from a cheaper material, but I’d much rather get a shirt made from a slightly cheaper material for a much cheaper price. And the fake 14/15 shirt was literally the exact same of the real one I had. The 11/12 shirt was just one outlier the had a noticeable dip in quality, and that dip isn’t even that bad, the material is just a little thinner. I’ve also got a real and fake 2020 Italy Euro home shirt, and the two are identical in terms of look, material, fit, everything. The main reason I buy fake football shirts is for the retro stuff. I’m not spending hundred of dollars on shirts that are old and used when I can buy one that’s brand new and looks identical for a much cheaper price. If something happens to it, I can just buy another one for the same cheap price and not cry about the fact that I’ve sunk hundreds into a shirt that’s now on longer wearable in the case of a rip or a stain. Lastly, it’s sort of ironic that you call out the legitimacy of the claim “fakes are made in the same factories as real shirts” and them claim that fake football kits are tied to foreign gang, mafia, and human trafficking rings and then refuse to elaborate. And what’s even worse than that is that you followed it up by saying that your not here to argue about the manufacturing conditions of the real shirts. Why should I pay Puma $90 for AC Milan’s new home shirt ($100+ is you want it customized) that’s by your own admission made under poor conditions, when I can pay literally a quarter of that for a replica. I get that your a collector and all, but most people don’t collect expensive football shirts for a living like yourself, so we can’t afford to do that. I personally collect Pokémon cards and yeah, I don’t collect fake ones, but there’s a difference between a piece of cardboard that’s made to be a collector’s item, and a shirt that’s supposed to represent your love and passion for your favorite club. I’m not spending stupid amounts of money on a football shirt, because at the end of the day it’s a shirt.
I completely agree, on classic football shirts the retro prices are crazy, who tf wants to spend 200 dollars on a 1994 inter Milan jersey when you can get one for 15 dollars. Plus for retro the inter doesn’t get any money for somebody buying a Bergkamp jersey so it’s totally viable es
Yes, you are right that you can buy “a new shirt” for 20. But you cant always by the ones you actually want for 20. The ones that are 20 are normally the ones that didn’t sell at full price. So yes, you can buy a shirt for 20, but not the ones you want normally
@@MrClassy1991 There's some shirts on Classic Football Shirts in different sizes, for £20. For example, 2021-22 Kerala Blasters GK shirt, ranging from size small to 3xl, for £20
@@RyanBromhead503 Yes, but for known teams such as PSG they are more expensive. There is a very low market for Karela Blasters jerseys mainly due to most of their fans being based in India. However teams like PSG have fans globally.
That’s just simply not true, they aren’t $20 because they didn’t sell.. they’re $20 because they’re fake and come from china. U can get any jersey u want on DH gate
I think Ellis sort of missed the point about the €20 shirt point, most ppl want to get like the new united or psg shirt when it comes out to wear for the season, they're never lower than €60 usually until the end of the season so alot of ppl just get a fake for €15 because they can't afford it
Yeah I see this point but that’s more of a case of FOMO isn’t it? My point is why FOMO into buying a fake that’s not great just to keep up appearances? Although I guess that’s more of a societal issue than anything!
Fair points made but when you want certain shirts it’s hard to find them and when you do they will be used or overly expensive. As a Man City fan I wanted a 00/01 kit and the only place I found a new one was DHGate. £12 for a retro shirt isn’t bad and it’s better quality compared to the retro shirts City sell in their shop. I did the same test you did on my retro shirt, Fake shirt and 21/22 shirt and none of the shirts made any noises. You might have just bought off shit sellers either to perpetuate your point or just because you didn’t understand how to check if you are buying off a good seller.
@@messicomps344 but most people don’t care like that to spend out of their budget or save up to the the authentic kits, hence they don’t really care like that and opt for cheaper alternatives, it’s ONLY a football shirt.
Ellis’ point that the fake £20 shirt factory has worse working conditions, is false as Nikes higher sale cost doesn’t guarantee that the worker who made the shirt is getting a fair wage or that they are in suitable working conditions, it just means that Nike take a larger share of the profit while using the same practices such as underpaying workers and forcing them into poor working conditions, just like what they do over at the fake shirt factory. Also Ellis’ point/ opinion that he doesn’t support or agree with a legit company using heinous standards to make football shirts and that “people just turn a blind eye when they’re buying a football shirt for £20 as to what they’re actually supporting” is extremely hypocritical as he constantly “turns a blind eye” when buying football shirts from company’s such as Nike that have a history of using unethical practices and exploiting workers. As I’m sure that he owns some Nike shirts from the 90s-00s, which was the height of their sweatshop controversy. But also buying a new shirt from Nike doesn’t guarantee that it has been ethically made as a quick google will show articles and reports of Nike factories having poor and unsuitable working conditions as late as 2017.
Yes this is spot on, also he says in the video "you can say what you want about the other companies" whilst forging an argument against the very thing these companies are guilty of purely because it fits his narrative
there are rumours (RUMOURS, so take with a pinch of salt) that the fakes are manufactured by off-shift employees of genuine manufacturers who want to make a little extra as a little side hustle. the reason for the differences is largely told to be due to them being off hours and therefore not getting the licensing, quality control and permission but that also could show that rumour to be rather flimsy. either way fakes being shady don't really take much away from the scummy giant corporations who practise very similar methods of cost cutting
He also says fake shirts are linked to people trafficking. I googled it and couldn't find a single scrap of evidence to support that claim. Ultimately he's a collector, he has got a dog in this fight because the more fakes that flood the market the harder it makes his job. The rest of us are bound by financial realities and can't necessarily afford the luxury of buying genuine shirts that retail for £70-£75 and will almost certainly go up next season and that's before you even think about player issue shirts.
@@creasicle “Organized crime groups such as the Mafia and Camorra in Europe and the Triads and Yakuza in Asia are known for crimes varying from drug and human trafficking, to extortion and money laundering. These organisations have been found to have diversified into trafficking counterfeit goods and the proceeds from these fuel their other illegal businesses.” UK IPO Nov 2021
I'm not saying fake football shirts are good but there's many points ellis missed in this video - 1. Not everyone is from the UK or Europe in general. CFS and M&M direct is cool but worldwide shipping is just too expensive. 2. There's currency inflation. I live in india and an authentic Jersey costs above 4000 rupees, which is way more than what the normal people can afford for a piece of clothing. 3. We have shops which sell fake football shirts and I agree they aren't made ethically, however it gives many a people a livelihood by selling these shirts. 4. 90% of people won't ask you if it's a real or a fake if you're wearing a jersey in the first place, the difference is miniscule and when you see you can get a brand new arsenal jersey for 600 rupees, it is much of a bargain. I would buy an authentic if I could, however for people living in these parts of the world, it's a fever dream. Love your videos as always ellis
In India they only sell replica jerseys at store which is not fake though. It is also officially manufactured by them. In Authentic even the logo and badge will be heat pressed and the materials are of high quality if you compare it to authentic but in replica it will be stitched in embroidery.I came across some authentic and player version jerseys at a cheaper rate in classic football shirts.uk but sadly, import tax in India alone is more than price of it. I get replica one from adidas and Nike stores and it is also of good quality.
Same goes here in Philippines, if the price in Europe is affordable but here it cost more than monthly pay for bills which is equivalent to 5 months. That's why I just settle for fake ones but I also choose the one with good quality. Asian football fans pretty much have a hard time on the price of kits from abroad because of the currency...
Same in the Philippines, they wont ask you if it's fake or original since football isn't popular here... They wont even know what fake and real looks like. But I'm honourable to admit my jerseys are fake but I don't mind since it's unlikely people around in real won't even know what's fake and original cuz like I said, football isn't popular here. They're more into basketball, so if I wear Golden State Warriors jersey which I lost, there's a little chance I will be asked if it's fake or original.
To me fakes are really good in my opinion because when I went to a flee market I got 2 jerseys just for 4 dollars they were not real or looked real but in my opinion I liked it because my parents were the type of parents who liked to save there money so if I want a jersey the would go somewhere to find it and find a cheap alternative and all my shirts besides 1 are fake but in my school no one really cares
@@andrewbolton9049 what I’m saying is if someone can’t afford the kit for the season, how can they afford sky, BT, Amazon prime on monthly subscriptions to watch the games, let alone go to one.
It's the clubs and manufacturers that need to be held to account (not the fans) as to why the fake market is booming. 3/4 shirts released every season sold at inflated prices would be a good place to start. It's crystal clear why they do this...
considering the materials for the real shirts cost peanuts to make and the people they employ are paid in bread crumbs the clubs don't have much room to complain about people turning their nose up to £100 shirts
Bristol City has done an outstanding job on that matter for the last two seasons. I'm still kicking myself for missing on last year's GK away shirt but I acted (relatively) quick on this year's.
Nike always has the worst templates for keepers, and they use them in all the different teams. I understand the economics of how keeper shirts sell less, but it would still be cool to see something unique, or in at least the same design language as the other shirts
As a collector I also would never now buy a fake shirt myself, but there was a time when I would and I completely understand it. People have already mentioned the fact of the shirts people often want aren't the ones that go for 20 quid, and I agree. Also as an Aussie, sourcing the real shirts is much harder, especially when taking into account shipping costs. Sure Nike and Adidas still sell their shirts here, but they don't offer printing services at all, and not the whole variety on offer in the UK. That new Oktoberfest Bayern kit for example. Before it sold out shipping would've been $45 (25ish pounds)... And it's physically impossible to order from Adidas UK for us. I don't think fakes should be advertised, resold and lied about, but in terms of why people buy them, I don't hold it against them.
I am your subscriber but why you don't mention something like this. Imagine a family (Dad and 2 children) that support Manchester United. The kids want the Ronaldo shirt but the Dad cannot spend all money on original kits, the kids in a year will be older and bigger and they are not going to fit them, and he will need around 200 pounds for it. It's just not possible for everyone. I'm not saying that I'm buying fakes but I'm just looking at the different reasons and this is a very valid one. Have a good day.
It’s a fair point and something that needs addressing from the wider space in terms of pricing. No reason for a child’s shirt to £55 min it’s outrageous
I do sympathise with parents who have children who will want the newest shirts. Clubs and manufacturers definitely need to do more to make prices more realistic. But saying that if i was going to buy a brand new shirt it would 100% be from April onwards, most clubs do 50% off sales to shift them before the next season.
@@justinlaughinghouse8794 Jesus, £50 for a kids shirt. It's gotten to a point where it is ridiculous. Where is the harm in these clubs selling kids shirts for £20 or £25. A lots of clubs are pricing kids out of football and it's very sad to see.
it's definitely a discussion that is at the discretion of the customer, from a shirt collector's point of view of course the fakes are going to be a complete no, but in the case of a dad whose kids just want a half decent prem kit to wear with their mates round the court, it's different. of course you can't force people to buy fake and a real shirt is always ultimately better but everyone will have their reasons. everyone here seems to be civil though so it's good to be part of one of the more respectable corners of the football community 👏🏻
Come on mate, you can say what you want but at 4:36 you didn't apply any force, and then you destroyed the fake one haha. Been buying original shirts for a long time and then started to buy in stores like fofoshop. Quality is REALLY great and for 1/3 the price. 8/10 and because of that will never throw money again on real shirts
The satisfaction is better of getting a real shirt than a fake one I can remember getting a gremiro shirt for like £25 and I love it, if I buy a fake one there’s no point because they’ll just will be broken for example the sponsors come off and the label of the sizes disintegrates so in my opinion get real ones and no fakes, good vid Ellis :)
“Fake football shirts are linked to human trafficking” coming out with waffle like this just after calling it out no evidence on them being made in the same factory? Lmao I’m a fan but some awful takes in this vid 😂
I get Man United tops from DH Gate and Soccer02, you honestly cannot tell the difference at all, they are the same material and have everything in the right places. 20 quid instead of 90 or more quid is a no brainer! If the teams stopped charging so much maybe they would get more to pay a reasonable price. I remember back in the day my dad would take me to the local sport shop and around 35 or 40 quid was all he was willing to spend and that was what they were priced as. I remember him buying me the very rare 97/98 man united blue away kit, that was the shirt, shorts and socks for 39.99! I also had Beckham 7 on the back. Fast forward from 1997 to now... 90 quid just for the shirt! If your lucky it might have the name and number of your fave player on the back. No one wants to pay over the odds these days so I welcome the fact such fake shirts exist. Also back in the day you would know you bought a fake because there would be either no sponsor, no kit sponsor. Sometimes you'd have to iron on the badge! Now that was very cheap, dodgy and not worth even a tenner back then.
The problem with real football shirts is the price of the retro shirts, Why do I (as a marseille fan) have to pay 250 pounds for a 91-92 OM shirt when I can get a fake for 20 pounds and under and it wont cost me that much, the quality is alright since there isnt much colours on it and in the future, i would really care about selling it since I got it for really cheap. I can understand that your speaking from a collector's POV but as someone who likes to just wear the football shirts, I dont see that big of an issue but again, everyone has their own opinion.
Not everyone can afford genuine shirts/kits especially for kids who want thier favourite team not a random la Liga team. No one can take the moral high ground on where they come from either unless you knew where all your clothes, phones, food etc came from.
The point of getting a fake jersey is because they're cheaper, some people like me just get them to play Sunday league games, obviously they will not have the same quality if that was the case people would buy the fake rather than the "original" one. There are outlets that sell original jerseys cheap, like I got the bayern munich and juventus jersey from previous season for just 25 usd, sometimes on eBay you find cheap jerseys, and some apps even of fb marketplace but if you want to buy the fake do it, no one is forcing u not to get it
My issue with point 3 is that unless they’re a football shirt collector, people are not going to be interested in a Dedza Dynamos away shirt. They want the shirts of the big clubs, or of the clubs they support. And then it really is tricky to find them for those sort of prices. I mean how does one get hold of an authentic Man United shirt for £20 for example. Another issue I have is with point 1. When I was younger I bought a fake Barca shirt from a street vendor in Windsor. I only got rid of that shirt when it outgrew me otherwise it was fine. Still in the same condition as when I bought it. I also have a Bayern Munich shirt bought from the Allianz itself and the lettering has noticeably faded on it. I dispute that there is always a massive gap in quality between authentic shirts and fakes.
Sometimes I see websites that don't state their fake and on tiktok when someone asks if they are real they don't respond. I recommend to buy the real kit and wait until the end of the season and for sales.
Upon seeing the comparison shirts, I couldn’t tell a difference without the zoom in. Nobody is coming to stretch the bottom of my shirt out and inspect it either. I can’t spend $132 on a brand new Haaland shirt, especially since he is so young and may not stay with city past this contract. I’d love to have a legit kit, but not a single person is gonna know if I got a fake
the problem with saying 'you're supporting X Y and Z when you buy these shirts, do your research!!' is that, many many people in a position of precarity, who can't afford the real top whack shirts, either wont know this, nor will they begin to question it when they've just received what looks like the real thing, but for less than half of the price. You can't just adopt a mentality of almost looking down on the people that buy fake clothing. its like blaming the people who attend and spend money in whetherspoons... the owner is an unethical c*nt. but that doesnt mean that the people in those pubs are all unethical too. at the end of the day people that struggle to get by kind of dont get to have the luxury of perfect moral choices. the blame should be with the people and sites that produce these shirts unethically (forced labour, unhealthy labour conditions) and blame at the companies like nike and adidas who sell shirts at massively inflated costs and bleeding football fans dry.... once you start adopting a middleclass snobbishness looking down at people for buying fake clothing just because you are able to exercise the luxury of making the ethical yet more expensive purchase.... then you end up just punching downwards instead of upwards... to many of these people they just see it as a viable option to own their favourite football shirt that they where previously excluded from because of the insane prices for shirts at retail. this kind of video could have been a chance to create a discourse around the inflation of football shirt costs, how businesses have exploited fans loyalty and passion for increasing profits, or finding a way to provide football shirts to poorer families and individuals who cant afford the real thing at retail. in short, dont blame poor people for finding cheaper options... its not their fault, its the businesses....
I think you have to sort the two sets of people. As collectors it's obvious why we get real, especially when you have a genuine interest in those shirts aswell as knowing the potential resale value in future. I tend to find people who buy fakes are fans of those clubs on the whole, they want to support they're club but are being priced out. With everything else to pay out for now its slightly understandable. Add to this, its perhaps not a main interest like it is for the rest of us. All of that said I do have a price limit myself and there are shirts I really want that are mad out of range. There are companies who release licensed Retro replicas that I believe hold up in collections. I'd add they're also a wise decision when paying £50? Instead of £500 on the original, that most likely won't be worn. I don't think these shirts should be frowned upon in a buy it now kind of culture. I've recently acquired an Inter Third from 19/20 off Grailed and I'm 95% sure it's real but I'll leave the 5% to the stretch test when it arrives 😉
@@mihailborisov2375 Oh I agree, I'm just trying to view it from a 1 club supporters POV. Like I say collecting shirts is probably 95% of collectors first bit of disposable spending after bills etc. For people who buy fakes that's not the case, mainly they have zero resale value so it comes down to just wanting to wear their clubs shirt rather than the points listed on the video above. I'm not for it but just looking at it from a neutral stance.
I'd add that people probably don't think as deeply about Shirts like we do either. Same as the people who will still watch the Qatar WC next year because they "love football".
I think for parents who have younger kids who want kits every year. Plus I’ve bought kits from DHgate and there not bad. The sizes are a bit off but for the price.
I think you used the wrong jerseys to compare, because there are "fake" shirts that are practically identical to the real ones and the only difference really is the model number on the tag. You should use those for this kind of video... because those sell for $20usd as well.
I’m thinking of getting fake jerseys since I’ve spent well over 2000$ on my jersey collection just for the jersey sponsors to come off and honestly there not worth it anymore I compared my real jersey to the fake one they were almost identical I’d rather spend 20-40 dollars on a jersey then 90$ for one
Since I discovered that I can buy 6 jerseys for the price of 1 authentic, there's no way in hell I'm going back. The only authentic ones that I'm buying are my own club's jersey and my national team. Everything else I couldn't care less, I'm supposed to feel bad because adidas or nike lose 10 euros (which is what the production cost of a jersey is) because of me? Who cares man. There are some bad replicas and some amazing replicas, I have both the authentic and replica jersey of Argentina NT and there's literally no difference. I also have authentic jerseys that have peeled off everywhere. Let people do what they want.
Not being funny but there are still previous season shirts to buy. Having this seasons shirt doesn’t mean you are a better supporter. Yes clubs overprice hugely along with manufacturers. Supporting your club shouldn’t mean necessarily having all of the merch as much you might want it. I get the impulse to have this seasons shirt for the whole season but that’s how they get you. As a lower league fan I fall for it fully in the knowledge that I know I’m contributing to my club hard earned money that they need. To buy fake shirts is just a sign you don’t truly care but want to have the appearance of caring for your club when I know this might sound harsh however you are in fact just materialistic as person. Save up & wait for a season where the design you truly love comes along maybe if you can’t afford it. There are 40 weeks of football and those crap fake shirts don’t even last 4 weeks. This is harsh but it needs saying
Used to agree with this, always waited, but certainly for my club Aston Villa, the stocks have become managed dramatically better meaning that at the end of the season, the only shirts at a reduced price are XXLs. So that’s no longer an option. The problem is the ludicrous pricing of the new shirts. I wanted an England shirt in the summer, cheapest I could get one was £65. Add in people buying shirts for their kids, and your up well over £120.
This is my view on it, I’m late but it is what it is I understand why people do this personally, it’s so they get a top for cheap. Personally I did this before for teams all around the world, now I just stick to the 3 Arsenal tops and maybe a lower league top (non league) for like 25-40, great deal for parents who want the kids to get the new tops, some parents will get mad that the quality is fake and ask for a refund, and they won’t get it. Also another point is that there is a living crisis going on, everything is going up and underpay is seeing fake kits go to 30 and normal tops go 80. This is a good thing if you just want the tops. That’s my view on it.
The philosophy of the rich and the poor is this: "the rich invest their money and spend what is left. The poor spend their money and invest what is left".
Interesting, most people don't understand the market moves and tend to be mislead in facts like this and always depend on Money in the Bank very bad idea.
I understand the fact that tomorrow isn't promised to anyone, but investing today is a hard thing to do because I have no idea of how and where to invest in?
Great video! In all honesty I’ve only ever thought about getting a fake when it comes to getting my birth year kit (95) for my favourite team Arsenal. The issue I find is they seem reasonably priced, but I don’t want to get scammed with a fake, so just buying what I already know is a fake seems less risky. I’d like to add I never knew the background within the replica/fake shirt making etc. I just always assumed it was some lad/lass who enjoyed knitting and wanted some extra cash.
the 95 arsenal is really really simple to spot fakes and authentic versions apart, a real arsenal one will cost anywhere from 100-150 but it is so worth it, the fakes are so bad in comparison!
Your point about finding new shirts on classic football and m & m direct are so inaccurate. Show me a chelsea kit for 20 pounds. Most of the chelsea kits there are from 35-120 price range. And the ones you get for 30 pounds are the 2016 kits. And you are basing this off a collector's point of view.
if i gather a bunch of mates to cross the road in america then that falls under organised crime but corporations will get away with paying their employees peanuts simply because the gumment say it's okay
I would only use those for buying an older fake rather than this seasons ones. Like that top you had when you were younger thats half way up your body now if you try it on.
You are also turning a blind eye to the fact genuine shirts are also linked to human trafficking. Easy to say "we're not talking about genuine shirts". If you genuinely care about the conditions the fake shirts are made in and use that as one of your arguments, you can't suddenly choose to overlook that when it comes to genuine shirts.
@@gfeast4518 vintage sports fashion is i believe based in the U.S great place has all the clubs and yes being in the U.S being a collector is a struggle
I know this video is 2 years old but these are bad fakes. Ive had some of my spurs one from dhgate against the ones in the club shop and you cant find any differences
The reality is selling fake shirts comes from really dodgy backgrounds that’s the only reason it’s bad. And reality is also there really isn’t much difference in real and fake. Yes there’s no real hideous fake shirts but you can also get good quality fake. And clubs do charge ridiculous money for shirts. United store charging £80 for a home shirt with Ronaldo!? Or £25 for a good fake?
I got a ronaldo fake and it's super good quality my older brother got a legit one and there identically the same I don't understand why people get mad when people buy fakes not all of us have that money to spend 80 or 90 pound on a shirt, now Im not saying buy fakes all the time but hey most that I get are super good quality and I've washed mine inside out 5 times recently and it's still brand new condition
I'm an authentic football shirt collector but I've got myself a fake retro shirt that was never officially release as a long sleeve shirt. The official version is a match shirt with embloidered club badge, brand logo & there's almost zero chance of getting one. I wouldn't mind getting a similar looking shirt with obvious differences, including the standard embossed club badge & brand logo. I'm aware its not authenic but it definately make my day owning it.
i mean...most people can't afford to buy real shirts, and not every country is england. in brazil, the minimum wage is around R$1000, while real football shirts usually cost between 199R$ and 279R$, how can we tell people that live in these countries to buy real football apparel when these products are only affordable for the higher classes? poor people in not so rich countries want to have nice things too ellis, not everyone is a shirt collector, sometimes they just want to look good, feel good, or they like the player, or club. + the argument that "fake shirts are made with child labor and ilegall conditions, etc" can be used for pretty much any product any industry makes, as most of products from nike, adidas, etc are made in very poor countries in work conditions just as bad, so at the end of the day that's just a way of feeling better about yourself love the channel ellis, i just think that your reality makes you miss some important points about other contexts people live in, love from 🇧🇷❤
You totally missed the point with the 20€ Shirts. Yes, you can get some random Colombian 3rd Divison Kit nobody knows for 20€, but people want the new Jerseys of the Clubs everybody knows. Try getting a new Real, ManU, City, Bayern, Barca, etc, etc, etc Jersey during the Season for 20€, that won't happen. Even once the Season is over they hardly fall lower than 50 or 60€ so people rather go on DHGate and get a 20€ Fake
Have you even tried M&M direct? Shirts are as low as 15 quid by the end of the season, and not just any shirts. I've seen Barcelona ones of the same season at that price.
When I got older I have no energy to worry about what other people are wearing. And I can say there are decent copies out there but most are sloppy af. Just buy what suits your lifestyle, fake it till you make it.
As a newcastle fan I refuse to shop at sports direct and fund Mike ashley by buying a newcastle shirt from him as the money goes to sports direct and not the club. So I'd happily buy from dhgate.
I usually only buy the original shirts of my own club (Liverpool) they are the only shirts I buy that are originals throughout any era that they played. Everything else is fake and it’s usually because I love the design Ajax shirts for example usually come out with some cool designs.
This popped up in my recommended and its a really insightful video but for the sake of parity, did you buy those fakes from the same site(s) as the likes of Fiago ordered from and not just from any site because I think that could help with solidifying all your points made in this video.
The price of real football shirts are mental, if you arent a collector or rich then spending a fraction of the price for literally the same shirt with slightly worse materials is worth it. Not to mention being a NUFC fan theres no chance im giving Mike Ashely money!!!
same boat, im not a fan of putting more shrapnel in the pockets of the millionaires who are meanwhile destroying the club im trying to support them to uphold. of course my cash isn't gonna get him booted but it's more the principle
I normally agree with Ellis on a lot of things, but he’s missed the mark here. People genuinely want to rep the current season kits for the whole year but simply can’t afford €60+. I have a relative who picked up a fake jersey and he said there’s literally no difference. Sure they might not hold up so long in the wash, that’s why I’d hand wash them, but it’s certainly better than nothing. Obviously, I will buy genuine shirts if I can, but if I’m short on money but I want a shirt, I’ll go on DHGate or something. I understand that these shirts aren’t made ethically, but neither are the real ones. In conclusion, it’s your money. Spend it how you like.
My club charges £90 for the home kit, and it’s not even good quality. I’m happy with my fake which I payed £20 for, even if the quality is slightly worse.
i believe the "same factory" rumour stems from rumours in the fake trainer/sneaker marker, ive heard stories wherein factory workers use facilities to make extra money on the side, this is supposedly off-shift so it doesn't yield the same quality as the quality control or licensing is absent. this is merely rumours and i haven't looked into the actualities of it but i think that's where the rumours come from
‘We’re not here to talk about how regular shirts are made’ how convenient given it would completely ruin your point. Maybe if everyone had the absurd money to buy shirts like you do then you’d be happy, but I doubt people who can’t afford £90 on a shirt want to be lectured by someone who can A) afford them and B) someone who gets sent them for free on occasions on what they should and shouldn’t buy? We ain’t all in your position
I wish beer hawk was here in the US. I have a beer tender. When it came out there were Heineken and Newcastle mini kegs everywhere for it. Now I have to special order or drive a few hours for a Heineken mini keg. They don't make the newcastle ones anymore. I own a few fake shirts. I only have them because I didn't know when I ordered them because you couldn't tell in photos or I bought them very cheap at a thrift store. Lol. Definitely prefer the real thing. If you are truly a collector you can tell the difference.
@@WelziFC7 Yeah, I used to get them occasionally then early last year I was given a beertender and quickly realized the mini kegs are hard to come by. I live in Ohio and I have to special order it. Indiana and New York carry them in stores. Not sure about other states.
Let me put it in perspective for you from an overseas point of view. You have to pay £75 for the jersey, another exorbitant fee for the shipping, and VAT. And that team might not even be in the Champions League. Makes it even worse when you find out that these jerseys cost less than £10 to make. These clubs have deliberately priced out large sections of fans of their fanbases, and for a lot them merchandise sales aren’t even a large fraction of their revenue. So I completely get why the fake jersey market is booming, allows fans to rep their teams and without spending an arm and a leg. It’s a little bit like the piracy problem in music, film and video games. That being said, if you can afford a real jersey, then get one! But if you can’t, I don’t blame you for getting a really good fake. (Special place in hell for anyone selling fake items at the same price as originals)
Granted, sometimes I do buy fake shirts, however, money can be tight and I cannot afford the team that I want. For example, Fulham 23/24. I love the shirt but I don't support the club and don't have the money. £18 is a bargain. Money is tight sometimes especially when you work a not so well paying job.
I have to agree with some of the other comments. You’ve missed the point. The market for fake shirts isn’t for serious football fans and collectors. It’s for those that want the fashion or for those that can’t afford to kit out their kids/themselves. Also the irony of asking people not to send hate to people with differing opinions before showing clips of said people to call them out. But by far the best ironic thing you said was these fake shirts are going to Africa to be given to kids that can’t afford shirts 😂🙄
I see this point but the point about the shirts I’m giving away is… if I didn’t give them away they’d have literally no use? What am I supposed to do with them?
Exactly. Fans of football clubs will buy from the club shop because the money will go straight to the club (minus the kit manufacturer fee) but obviously with fake kits the money goes to a foreign company. I don’t support PSG but I would love to have the away kit because i think it looks good. Why should I spend £80+ on a shirt of a team that I don’t actually support?
@@uheard but kids in Africa don’t have as much money as kids in the uk obviously not in all cases but a lot and many African countries are 3rd world countries with kids who would love any football shirts
You can have your opinion, but even with sales shirts for top teams are still around £50, which is a lot for a shirt. People would rather get something that looks very similar for less than half of the price. Only collectors like you who buy loads of shirts will recognize the lack of authenticity or even care about it
Some of these points are ok but you gotta keep in mind a lot of people wear them to festivals as well I don’t think people wanna spend so much just to wear them once
Gotta admit, the quality of the fakes are getting better especially if you look for the right sites. Realistically, the rrp for shirts for the standard person is just way too much. Not all of us have video sponsers to help fund the hobby.
Luckily I'm from Malaysia, and most South East Asia countries have factories for sport manufactures such as nike and adidas and rejected shirts from the factories are sold for cheap prices.
You cant get them for under 20 pound especially since im in the USA. by the time I pay shipping its 35$ or more from a site such as Classic Football Shirts.
I don't own any fakes but have considered it, as for example if I want a 90s Leeds shirt with Radebe 5 on the back I'm not going to be able to get that on M&M Direct, if I can find it at all it'll be over £150. From the examples I've seen the quality is at least passable and I'm not fussed about longevity as it'll only be worn every so often. I can't argue against the ethics of buying them other than you can go down that rabbit hole for a lot of things probably and tbh most of us are happy to be willfully ignorant about it. Thoughts?
I completely agree with the points raised here but one thing to mention is the cost of real kids shirts. Not all parents can afford £60 and up to let their children have the latest shirts/kits and fakes at a fraction of the cost maybe the only option.
Goes without saying but PLEASE do not send hate to the creators featured for their opinion in this video. Everyone has an opinion and even though I believe theirs were misinformed they shouldn't be subjected to any hate etc due to it.
All of this video 🙌🏻. I tried pointing out to one of the people shown in your video what he was actually endorsing after giving a step by step guide to buying fakes. He then continued to try and justify it, while also claiming he didn’t just do so. To see your stance on it, goes about it respectfully, clearly and gives genuine alternatives is fantastic, well done.
@AwayDays Can you tell me where can i find official 08/09 barcelona home shirt? Because there is no 20£ - i must buy a fake one
@@Shahar13 save up and get a genuine one. Why is it some how acceptable you buy kits illegally but not other things, just because of the price?
@@liamkavanagh1536 i can't save up 100£, i need it to be my budget for more then one shirt. And i don't have a good answer, but who told you the shirts in cfs are legit?
@@Shahar13 the fact they are the biggest distributors of second hand shirts in the world and as pointed out in this video, selling counterfeit goods is illegal, they would’ve been taken down if they were fake.
Video smacks a little bit of 'I've spent a lot of money on my kits, so everyone else should have to.' The point about worker or factory condition is splitting hairs considering nikes terrible track record with worker rights in Asia. They were accused very recently of using forced labour from Uighur Muslims. People don't have £60-£200 to spend on new/vintage kits to wear once a year at a festival or once a week at 5-a-side. Buying brand authentic kits is not some moral high road, its falling for the marketing of a brand who doesn't care about you.
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Sucks for broke people I guess.
@@espacespr6557not everyone has rich parents kid
@@espacespr6557 less about someone’s income and more about getting more for your money
@@espacespr6557 That's not very nice
$15 shirts are logical , affordable and makes sense . Money dosent falls from sky
FAXX I don’t care if my jersey is fake I like it if it is identical to the real one
@@austinotero2710yeah I would rather by a cheap £15 shirt and accidentally rip it or something a year later than buy a better quality shirt for £80+ that won’t rip, if it does rip I will just buy the shirt for £15 again😂😂 I don’t care about the little details
It does to the sex traffickers who sell them
Tell me your broke without telling me.
Allergic to fake tho
I have bought plenty of “fake” or “reproduction” football shirts. I’m an AC Milan fan and bought two shirts in adult sizes that I had a a young kid; those two shirts being the 11/12 and 14/15 AC Milan home kits.
When comparing them I found that the 11/12 one was made from a cheaper material, but I’d much rather get a shirt made from a slightly cheaper material for a much cheaper price. And the fake 14/15 shirt was literally the exact same of the real one I had. The 11/12 shirt was just one outlier the had a noticeable dip in quality, and that dip isn’t even that bad, the material is just a little thinner. I’ve also got a real and fake 2020 Italy Euro home shirt, and the two are identical in terms of look, material, fit, everything.
The main reason I buy fake football shirts is for the retro stuff. I’m not spending hundred of dollars on shirts that are old and used when I can buy one that’s brand new and looks identical for a much cheaper price. If something happens to it, I can just buy another one for the same cheap price and not cry about the fact that I’ve sunk hundreds into a shirt that’s now on longer wearable in the case of a rip or a stain.
Lastly, it’s sort of ironic that you call out the legitimacy of the claim “fakes are made in the same factories as real shirts” and them claim that fake football kits are tied to foreign gang, mafia, and human trafficking rings and then refuse to elaborate. And what’s even worse than that is that you followed it up by saying that your not here to argue about the manufacturing conditions of the real shirts. Why should I pay Puma $90 for AC Milan’s new home shirt ($100+ is you want it customized) that’s by your own admission made under poor conditions, when I can pay literally a quarter of that for a replica.
I get that your a collector and all, but most people don’t collect expensive football shirts for a living like yourself, so we can’t afford to do that. I personally collect Pokémon cards and yeah, I don’t collect fake ones, but there’s a difference between a piece of cardboard that’s made to be a collector’s item, and a shirt that’s supposed to represent your love and passion for your favorite club. I’m not spending stupid amounts of money on a football shirt, because at the end of the day it’s a shirt.
Spot on mate. classic football shirts is his sponsor after all
Where do you buy your AC Milan jerseys?
I completely agree, on classic football shirts the retro prices are crazy, who tf wants to spend 200 dollars on a 1994 inter Milan jersey when you can get one for 15 dollars. Plus for retro the inter doesn’t get any money for somebody buying a Bergkamp jersey so it’s totally viable es
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@@Boogeyman1836ur a joke man, just read like the rest of us, what are you 6?
Yes, you are right that you can buy “a new shirt” for 20. But you cant always by the ones you actually want for 20. The ones that are 20 are normally the ones that didn’t sell at full price. So yes, you can buy a shirt for 20, but not the ones you want normally
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@@MrClassy1991 There's some shirts on Classic Football Shirts in different sizes, for £20. For example, 2021-22 Kerala Blasters GK shirt, ranging from size small to 3xl, for £20
@@RyanBromhead503 Yes, but for known teams such as PSG they are more expensive. There is a very low market for Karela Blasters jerseys mainly due to most of their fans being based in India. However teams like PSG have fans globally.
@@daviddawson350 I know. I was just giving an example of a football shirt for £20
That’s just simply not true, they aren’t $20 because they didn’t sell.. they’re $20 because they’re fake and come from china. U can get any jersey u want on DH gate
I think Ellis sort of missed the point about the €20 shirt point, most ppl want to get like the new united or psg shirt when it comes out to wear for the season, they're never lower than €60 usually until the end of the season so alot of ppl just get a fake for €15 because they can't afford it
Completely agree think he’s missed the point not everybody is a shirt collector
Yeah I see this point but that’s more of a case of FOMO isn’t it? My point is why FOMO into buying a fake that’s not great just to keep up appearances? Although I guess that’s more of a societal issue than anything!
@@awaydaysfootball There are retro shirts that u cant get in a good price/condition, so if u want it u must buy fake. Just one example
Lets be honest, if you can't afford €60 football shirt you probably shouldn't be spending your money on a football shirt
@@Shahar13 why not but a official reproduction where the quality will be mikes better
Fair points made but when you want certain shirts it’s hard to find them and when you do they will be used or overly expensive.
As a Man City fan I wanted a 00/01 kit and the only place I found a new one was DHGate. £12 for a retro shirt isn’t bad and it’s better quality compared to the retro shirts City sell in their shop.
I did the same test you did on my retro shirt, Fake shirt and 21/22 shirt and none of the shirts made any noises.
You might have just bought off shit sellers either to perpetuate your point or just because you didn’t understand how to check if you are buying off a good seller.
Crazy that you were actually a man city fan before last season, how do you feel about the recent success?
@@Person-jt3io I’m over the moon mate never would have thought I’d see us win a prem let alone the tremble
He's definitely chosen the poor sellers
"People want genuine shirts"
No, not all of them. Many many people in fact prefer to have the cheap ones with passable quality. 😂😂
People want genuine shirts. Most can't afford them. Thus we go for the fakes
@@messicomps344 but most people don’t care like that to spend out of their budget or save up to the the authentic kits, hence they don’t really care like that and opt for cheaper alternatives, it’s ONLY a football shirt.
fake shirts are made in sweatshops with materials that are poor quality and not meeting to safety standards. save up and buy a real one
Ellis’ point that the fake £20 shirt factory has worse working conditions, is false as Nikes higher sale cost doesn’t guarantee that the worker who made the shirt is getting a fair wage or that they are in suitable working conditions, it just means that Nike take a larger share of the profit while using the same practices such as underpaying workers and forcing them into poor working conditions, just like what they do over at the fake shirt factory.
Also Ellis’ point/ opinion that he doesn’t support or agree with a legit company using heinous standards to make football shirts and that “people just turn a blind eye when they’re buying a football shirt for £20 as to what they’re actually supporting” is extremely hypocritical as he constantly “turns a blind eye” when buying football shirts from company’s such as Nike that have a history of using unethical practices and exploiting workers. As I’m sure that he owns some Nike shirts from the 90s-00s, which was the height of their sweatshop controversy. But also buying a new shirt from Nike doesn’t guarantee that it has been ethically made as a quick google will show articles and reports of Nike factories having poor and unsuitable working conditions as late as 2017.
Yes this is spot on, also he says in the video "you can say what you want about the other companies" whilst forging an argument against the very thing these companies are guilty of purely because it fits his narrative
there are rumours (RUMOURS, so take with a pinch of salt) that the fakes are manufactured by off-shift employees of genuine manufacturers who want to make a little extra as a little side hustle. the reason for the differences is largely told to be due to them being off hours and therefore not getting the licensing, quality control and permission but that also could show that rumour to be rather flimsy. either way fakes being shady don't really take much away from the scummy giant corporations who practise very similar methods of cost cutting
He also says fake shirts are linked to people trafficking. I googled it and couldn't find a single scrap of evidence to support that claim. Ultimately he's a collector, he has got a dog in this fight because the more fakes that flood the market the harder it makes his job. The rest of us are bound by financial realities and can't necessarily afford the luxury of buying genuine shirts that retail for £70-£75 and will almost certainly go up next season and that's before you even think about player issue shirts.
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@@creasicle “Organized crime groups such as the Mafia and Camorra in Europe and the Triads and Yakuza in Asia
are known for crimes varying from drug and human trafficking, to extortion and money laundering.
These organisations have been found to have diversified into trafficking counterfeit goods and the
proceeds from these fuel their other illegal businesses.”
UK IPO Nov 2021
I'm not saying fake football shirts are good but there's many points ellis missed in this video -
1. Not everyone is from the UK or Europe in general. CFS and M&M direct is cool but worldwide shipping is just too expensive.
2. There's currency inflation. I live in india and an authentic Jersey costs above 4000 rupees, which is way more than what the normal people can afford for a piece of clothing.
3. We have shops which sell fake football shirts and I agree they aren't made ethically, however it gives many a people a livelihood by selling these shirts.
4. 90% of people won't ask you if it's a real or a fake if you're wearing a jersey in the first place, the difference is miniscule and when you see you can get a brand new arsenal jersey for 600 rupees, it is much of a bargain.
I would buy an authentic if I could, however for people living in these parts of the world, it's a fever dream. Love your videos as always ellis
In India they only sell replica jerseys at store which is not fake though. It is also officially manufactured by them. In Authentic even the logo and badge will be heat pressed and the materials are of high quality if you compare it to authentic but in replica it will be stitched in embroidery.I came across some authentic and player version jerseys at a cheaper rate in classic football shirts.uk but sadly, import tax in India alone is more than price of it. I get replica one from adidas and Nike stores and it is also of good quality.
Same goes here in Philippines, if the price in Europe is affordable but here it cost more than monthly pay for bills which is equivalent to 5 months. That's why I just settle for fake ones but I also choose the one with good quality. Asian football fans pretty much have a hard time on the price of kits from abroad because of the currency...
Same in the Philippines, they wont ask you if it's fake or original since football isn't popular here... They wont even know what fake and real looks like. But I'm honourable to admit my jerseys are fake but I don't mind since it's unlikely people around in real won't even know what's fake and original cuz like I said, football isn't popular here. They're more into basketball, so if I wear Golden State Warriors jersey which I lost, there's a little chance I will be asked if it's fake or original.
To me fakes are really good in my opinion because when I went to a flee market I got 2 jerseys just for 4 dollars they were not real or looked real but in my opinion I liked it because my parents were the type of parents who liked to save there money so if I want a jersey the would go somewhere to find it and find a cheap alternative and all my shirts besides 1 are fake but in my school no one really cares
think you've lost the plot mate, imagine getting my teams home, away and third shirt for less than one real one😭
trust me
but if it looks real its ok also if ur not re selling fakes are alright chris u noob
@@alehlete830 dunno if you've quite understood my comment I think fakes are good
fake shirts don't look or feel 100% like real shirts. get your bread up and buy real shirts
@@tom7131 So youve bought some have you?
I'm going to donate this shirt to children in Africa. *Began to tear it* 😆
😂😂😂
Real
Not everyone has the cash to spend on a new kit, every season if they’re happy buying a fake one so be it imo
Or save up and buy the one you want.
@@craigwatson6368 no always as simple as that for some
@@andrewbolton9049 I mean, if that’s the case they wouldn’t be able to afford to watch the team with football using 73 platforms all on subscriptions.
@@lukedowellbrook9971 the last bit of your comment is confusing
@@andrewbolton9049 what I’m saying is if someone can’t afford the kit for the season, how can they afford sky, BT, Amazon prime on monthly subscriptions to watch the games, let alone go to one.
My son wouldn't have any kits if I had to buy real ones.
It's the clubs and manufacturers that need to be held to account (not the fans) as to why the fake market is booming. 3/4 shirts released every season sold at inflated prices would be a good place to start. It's crystal clear why they do this...
considering the materials for the real shirts cost peanuts to make and the people they employ are paid in bread crumbs the clubs don't have much room to complain about people turning their nose up to £100 shirts
Imagine if clubs went back to the unique keeper kit designs 🤩
Class isn’t it?! 😍
Bristol City has done an outstanding job on that matter for the last two seasons. I'm still kicking myself for missing on last year's GK away shirt but I acted (relatively) quick on this year's.
Nike always has the worst templates for keepers, and they use them in all the different teams. I understand the economics of how keeper shirts sell less, but it would still be cool to see something unique, or in at least the same design language as the other shirts
As a collector I also would never now buy a fake shirt myself, but there was a time when I would and I completely understand it. People have already mentioned the fact of the shirts people often want aren't the ones that go for 20 quid, and I agree. Also as an Aussie, sourcing the real shirts is much harder, especially when taking into account shipping costs. Sure Nike and Adidas still sell their shirts here, but they don't offer printing services at all, and not the whole variety on offer in the UK. That new Oktoberfest Bayern kit for example. Before it sold out shipping would've been $45 (25ish pounds)... And it's physically impossible to order from Adidas UK for us. I don't think fakes should be advertised, resold and lied about, but in terms of why people buy them, I don't hold it against them.
What happen if you want to have an old jersey that is not anymore in market, like jerseys before 90s?
@@HagovMoreno ebay, vinted, easy to find authentic football shirts from 90s
I am your subscriber but why you don't mention something like this. Imagine a family (Dad and 2 children) that support Manchester United. The kids want the Ronaldo shirt but the Dad cannot spend all money on original kits, the kids in a year will be older and bigger and they are not going to fit them, and he will need around 200 pounds for it. It's just not possible for everyone. I'm not saying that I'm buying fakes but I'm just looking at the different reasons and this is a very valid one. Have a good day.
It’s a fair point and something that needs addressing from the wider space in terms of pricing. No reason for a child’s shirt to £55 min it’s outrageous
Very true. Personally when I was growing up, I never asked for any football tops, because I knew within a year I wouldn’t fit in them
You can get many Manchester United old shirts with Ronaldo on the back
@@Micfri300 And they are 3x times more expensive
Regardless of the reason you’re buying them, it doesn’t excuse the fact you’re supporting illegal and immoral practices.
I do sympathise with parents who have children who will want the newest shirts. Clubs and manufacturers definitely need to do more to make prices more realistic.
But saying that if i was going to buy a brand new shirt it would 100% be from April onwards, most clubs do 50% off sales to shift them before the next season.
Yeah, the price of children’s shirts needs a BIG looking at for sure.
Have you seen how expensive Newcastle and Wolves Castore gear is? Absolutely ridiculous
@@justinlaughinghouse8794 Jesus, £50 for a kids shirt. It's gotten to a point where it is ridiculous. Where is the harm in these clubs selling kids shirts for £20 or £25. A lots of clubs are pricing kids out of football and it's very sad to see.
That’s why Shaq started his own brand to sell at Walmart, a lady was mad she couldn’t afford $100-200 shoes for her kid so he made budget stuff
DHgate is king. The prices they're asking for are ridiculous
it's definitely a discussion that is at the discretion of the customer, from a shirt collector's point of view of course the fakes are going to be a complete no, but in the case of a dad whose kids just want a half decent prem kit to wear with their mates round the court, it's different. of course you can't force people to buy fake and a real shirt is always ultimately better but everyone will have their reasons. everyone here seems to be civil though so it's good to be part of one of the more respectable corners of the football community 👏🏻
Come on mate, you can say what you want but at 4:36 you didn't apply any force, and then you destroyed the fake one haha. Been buying original shirts for a long time and then started to buy in stores like fofoshop. Quality is REALLY great and for 1/3 the price. 8/10 and because of that will never throw money again on real shirts
I just love how that authentic vaporknit PSG sounds 😍😂🔊
The satisfaction is better of getting a real shirt than a fake one I can remember getting a gremiro shirt for like £25 and I love it, if I buy a fake one there’s no point because they’ll just will be broken for example the sponsors come off and the label of the sizes disintegrates so in my opinion get real ones and no fakes, good vid Ellis :)
Great point!
If i cant afford real shirts?
Don't tumble dry it and your problems should stop
@@danielmorgan7650 how long will it last if I hand wash and air dry it
@@alimansour1425 well don't buy a football shirt then
I’ve had incredible experiences with fake football shirts. Bought two Romania kits and they look beautiful.
“Fake football shirts are linked to human trafficking” coming out with waffle like this just after calling it out no evidence on them being made in the same factory? Lmao I’m a fan but some awful takes in this vid 😂
I am thinking about selling my fake PSG Jordan shirt
Elis: guess who’s going to jail tonight
Don’t and if you do sell it remember to label it ‘not authentic’
Somebody: *wearing a fake shirt*
Ellis: "You have chosen...death"
"were not here to talk about the ethics of real football shirts" stopped video right there.
Think when people say “new” I think they mean current Upto date season
I get Man United tops from DH Gate and Soccer02, you honestly cannot tell the difference at all, they are the same material and have everything in the right places. 20 quid instead of 90 or more quid is a no brainer! If the teams stopped charging so much maybe they would get more to pay a reasonable price. I remember back in the day my dad would take me to the local sport shop and around 35 or 40 quid was all he was willing to spend and that was what they were priced as. I remember him buying me the very rare 97/98 man united blue away kit, that was the shirt, shorts and socks for 39.99! I also had Beckham 7 on the back.
Fast forward from 1997 to now... 90 quid just for the shirt! If your lucky it might have the name and number of your fave player on the back.
No one wants to pay over the odds these days so I welcome the fact such fake shirts exist. Also back in the day you would know you bought a fake because there would be either no sponsor, no kit sponsor. Sometimes you'd have to iron on the badge! Now that was very cheap, dodgy and not worth even a tenner back then.
i'd prefer to look after my wallet and buy PSG home and away for a total of £22 rather than lining the pockets of Nike
so u prefer pocketing labor in china?
The problem with real football shirts is the price of the retro shirts, Why do I (as a marseille fan) have to pay 250 pounds for a 91-92 OM shirt when I can get a fake for 20 pounds and under and it wont cost me that much, the quality is alright since there isnt much colours on it and in the future, i would really care about selling it since I got it for really cheap. I can understand that your speaking from a collector's POV but as someone who likes to just wear the football shirts, I dont see that big of an issue but again, everyone has their own opinion.
wouldn't care*
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You showed an example of training shirts, unknowen clubs, very old seasons.
Not everyone can afford genuine shirts/kits especially for kids who want thier favourite team not a random la Liga team. No one can take the moral high ground on where they come from either unless you knew where all your clothes, phones, food etc came from.
Completely missed the plot on this one, what a shame. This was actually sad to watch.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s clear to see who pays his wages 😂
The point of getting a fake jersey is because they're cheaper, some people like me just get them to play Sunday league games, obviously they will not have the same quality if that was the case people would buy the fake rather than the "original" one. There are outlets that sell original jerseys cheap, like I got the bayern munich and juventus jersey from previous season for just 25 usd, sometimes on eBay you find cheap jerseys, and some apps even of fb marketplace but if you want to buy the fake do it, no one is forcing u not to get it
Also, when he is stretching the fake ones he purposely do it harder, keep that in mind 😂
My issue with point 3 is that unless they’re a football shirt collector, people are not going to be interested in a Dedza Dynamos away shirt. They want the shirts of the big clubs, or of the clubs they support. And then it really is tricky to find them for those sort of prices. I mean how does one get hold of an authentic Man United shirt for £20 for example. Another issue I have is with point 1. When I was younger I bought a fake Barca shirt from a street vendor in Windsor. I only got rid of that shirt when it outgrew me otherwise it was fine. Still in the same condition as when I bought it. I also have a Bayern Munich shirt bought from the Allianz itself and the lettering has noticeably faded on it. I dispute that there is always a massive gap in quality between authentic shirts and fakes.
Classic football shirts sales section mate.
big club shirts boring
Sometimes I see websites that don't state their fake and on tiktok when someone asks if they are real they don't respond. I recommend to buy the real kit and wait until the end of the season and for sales.
But sometimes the sales aren’t even good and they can be sold out in the size you want. But still a valid point
Upon seeing the comparison shirts, I couldn’t tell a difference without the zoom in. Nobody is coming to stretch the bottom of my shirt out and inspect it either. I can’t spend $132 on a brand new Haaland shirt, especially since he is so young and may not stay with city past this contract. I’d love to have a legit kit, but not a single person is gonna know if I got a fake
the problem with saying 'you're supporting X Y and Z when you buy these shirts, do your research!!' is that, many many people in a position of precarity, who can't afford the real top whack shirts, either wont know this, nor will they begin to question it when they've just received what looks like the real thing, but for less than half of the price. You can't just adopt a mentality of almost looking down on the people that buy fake clothing. its like blaming the people who attend and spend money in whetherspoons... the owner is an unethical c*nt. but that doesnt mean that the people in those pubs are all unethical too. at the end of the day people that struggle to get by kind of dont get to have the luxury of perfect moral choices. the blame should be with the people and sites that produce these shirts unethically (forced labour, unhealthy labour conditions) and blame at the companies like nike and adidas who sell shirts at massively inflated costs and bleeding football fans dry.... once you start adopting a middleclass snobbishness looking down at people for buying fake clothing just because you are able to exercise the luxury of making the ethical yet more expensive purchase.... then you end up just punching downwards instead of upwards... to many of these people they just see it as a viable option to own their favourite football shirt that they where previously excluded from because of the insane prices for shirts at retail. this kind of video could have been a chance to create a discourse around the inflation of football shirt costs, how businesses have exploited fans loyalty and passion for increasing profits, or finding a way to provide football shirts to poorer families and individuals who cant afford the real thing at retail. in short, dont blame poor people for finding cheaper options... its not their fault, its the businesses....
*I lived in Shanghai for 6 months and have toured some of the factories. They ARE made in the same places.*
I think you have to sort the two sets of people. As collectors it's obvious why we get real, especially when you have a genuine interest in those shirts aswell as knowing the potential resale value in future.
I tend to find people who buy fakes are fans of those clubs on the whole, they want to support they're club but are being priced out. With everything else to pay out for now its slightly understandable. Add to this, its perhaps not a main interest like it is for the rest of us.
All of that said I do have a price limit myself and there are shirts I really want that are mad out of range. There are companies who release licensed Retro replicas that I believe hold up in collections. I'd add they're also a wise decision when paying £50? Instead of £500 on the original, that most likely won't be worn. I don't think these shirts should be frowned upon in a buy it now kind of culture.
I've recently acquired an Inter Third from 19/20 off Grailed and I'm 95% sure it's real but I'll leave the 5% to the stretch test when it arrives 😉
The thing is, when you buy a fake shirt, you are not supporting your club in any way.
@@mihailborisov2375 Oh I agree, I'm just trying to view it from a 1 club supporters POV. Like I say collecting shirts is probably 95% of collectors first bit of disposable spending after bills etc. For people who buy fakes that's not the case, mainly they have zero resale value so it comes down to just wanting to wear their clubs shirt rather than the points listed on the video above. I'm not for it but just looking at it from a neutral stance.
I'd add that people probably don't think as deeply about Shirts like we do either. Same as the people who will still watch the Qatar WC next year because they "love football".
I think for parents who have younger kids who want kits every year. Plus I’ve bought kits from DHgate and there not bad. The sizes are a bit off but for the price.
I think you used the wrong jerseys to compare, because there are "fake" shirts that are practically identical to the real ones and the only difference really is the model number on the tag. You should use those for this kind of video... because those sell for $20usd as well.
I’m thinking of getting fake jerseys since I’ve spent well over 2000$ on my jersey collection just for the jersey sponsors to come off and honestly there not worth it anymore I compared my real jersey to the fake one they were almost identical I’d rather spend 20-40 dollars on a jersey then 90$ for one
Facts
Since I discovered that I can buy 6 jerseys for the price of 1 authentic, there's no way in hell I'm going back. The only authentic ones that I'm buying are my own club's jersey and my national team. Everything else I couldn't care less, I'm supposed to feel bad because adidas or nike lose 10 euros (which is what the production cost of a jersey is) because of me? Who cares man. There are some bad replicas and some amazing replicas, I have both the authentic and replica jersey of Argentina NT and there's literally no difference. I also have authentic jerseys that have peeled off everywhere. Let people do what they want.
Not being funny but there are still previous season shirts to buy. Having this seasons shirt doesn’t mean you are a better supporter. Yes clubs overprice hugely along with manufacturers. Supporting your club shouldn’t mean necessarily having all of the merch as much you might want it. I get the impulse to have this seasons shirt for the whole season but that’s how they get you. As a lower league fan I fall for it fully in the knowledge that I know I’m contributing to my club hard earned money that they need. To buy fake shirts is just a sign you don’t truly care but want to have the appearance of caring for your club when I know this might sound harsh however you are in fact just materialistic as person. Save up & wait for a season where the design you truly love comes along maybe if you can’t afford it. There are 40 weeks of football and those crap fake shirts don’t even last 4 weeks.
This is harsh but it needs saying
Well said.
Used to agree with this, always waited, but certainly for my club Aston Villa, the stocks have become managed dramatically better meaning that at the end of the season, the only shirts at a reduced price are XXLs. So that’s no longer an option.
The problem is the ludicrous pricing of the new shirts. I wanted an England shirt in the summer, cheapest I could get one was £65. Add in people buying shirts for their kids, and your up well over £120.
@@anthonyhharper8512 buy them a couple of months before the tournament ;)
thats why i buy fake kits of teams i dont necessarily support
Depends from what fake website u buy them for example joyfball is very good quality even though it is fake
This is my view on it, I’m late but it is what it is
I understand why people do this personally, it’s so they get a top for cheap. Personally I did this before for teams all around the world, now I just stick to the 3 Arsenal tops and maybe a lower league top (non league) for like 25-40, great deal for parents who want the kids to get the new tops, some parents will get mad that the quality is fake and ask for a refund, and they won’t get it. Also another point is that there is a living crisis going on, everything is going up and underpay is seeing fake kits go to 30 and normal tops go 80. This is a good thing if you just want the tops.
That’s my view on it.
The philosophy of the rich and the poor is this: "the rich invest their money and spend what is left. The poor spend their money and invest what is left".
A lot of people want a good lifestyle but the way they spend can't see them get that lifestyle anytime soon the better rich invest more and spend less
Investing in today is priceless because tomorrow isn't promised, trading Bitcoins,gold, silver and crypto secure a better tomorrow.
Interesting, most people don't understand the market moves and tend to be mislead in facts like this and always depend on Money in the Bank very bad idea.
It's nice to hear people discuss about investment, because investment always beat cash.
I understand the fact that tomorrow isn't promised to anyone, but investing today is a hard thing to do because I have no idea of how and where to invest in?
Great video!
In all honesty I’ve only ever thought about getting a fake when it comes to getting my birth year kit (95) for my favourite team Arsenal.
The issue I find is they seem reasonably priced, but I don’t want to get scammed with a fake, so just buying what I already know is a fake seems less risky.
I’d like to add I never knew the background within the replica/fake shirt making etc. I just always assumed it was some lad/lass who enjoyed knitting and wanted some extra cash.
the 95 arsenal is really really simple to spot fakes and authentic versions apart, a real arsenal one will cost anywhere from 100-150 but it is so worth it, the fakes are so bad in comparison!
Your point about finding new shirts on classic football and m & m direct are so inaccurate. Show me a chelsea kit for 20 pounds. Most of the chelsea kits there are from 35-120 price range. And the ones you get for 30 pounds are the 2016 kits. And you are basing this off a collector's point of view.
Organized Crime: Makes football shirts
Nike using Uyghur Labor: Makes football shirts
if i gather a bunch of mates to cross the road in america then that falls under organised crime but corporations will get away with paying their employees peanuts simply because the gumment say it's okay
I would only use those for buying an older fake rather than this seasons ones. Like that top you had when you were younger thats half way up your body now if you try it on.
You are also turning a blind eye to the fact genuine shirts are also linked to human trafficking. Easy to say "we're not talking about genuine shirts". If you genuinely care about the conditions the fake shirts are made in and use that as one of your arguments, you can't suddenly choose to overlook that when it comes to genuine shirts.
m&mdirect is so good, i got a barca vaporknit shirt for £19.99. absolutely unreal
Just checked them out and they don’t ship to the us smh
@@gfeast4518 vintage sports fashion is i believe based in the U.S great place has all the clubs and yes being in the U.S being a collector is a struggle
@@sheaseip3591 they're from the Ukraine actually! I've bought so many shirts from VSF. THey're just awesome. Best customer service too
The only kit I saw was a ac Milan kit
I know this video is 2 years old but these are bad fakes. Ive had some of my spurs one from dhgate against the ones in the club shop and you cant find any differences
The reality is selling fake shirts comes from really dodgy backgrounds that’s the only reason it’s bad. And reality is also there really isn’t much difference in real and fake. Yes there’s no real hideous fake shirts but you can also get good quality fake. And clubs do charge ridiculous money for shirts. United store charging £80 for a home shirt with Ronaldo!? Or £25 for a good fake?
I got a ronaldo fake and it's super good quality my older brother got a legit one and there identically the same I don't understand why people get mad when people buy fakes not all of us have that money to spend 80 or 90 pound on a shirt, now Im not saying buy fakes all the time but hey most that I get are super good quality and I've washed mine inside out 5 times recently and it's still brand new condition
I'm an authentic football shirt collector but I've got myself a fake retro shirt that was never officially release as a long sleeve shirt. The official version is a match shirt with embloidered club badge, brand logo & there's almost zero chance of getting one. I wouldn't mind getting a similar looking shirt with obvious differences, including the standard embossed club badge & brand logo. I'm aware its not authenic but it definately make my day owning it.
Thought that pint in the background was Harry Maguire for a second.
😂😂😂
i mean...most people can't afford to buy real shirts, and not every country is england.
in brazil, the minimum wage is around R$1000, while real football shirts usually cost between 199R$ and 279R$, how can we tell people that live in these countries to buy real football apparel when these products are only affordable for the higher classes? poor people in not so rich countries want to have nice things too ellis, not everyone is a shirt collector, sometimes they just want to look good, feel good, or they like the player, or club.
+ the argument that "fake shirts are made with child labor and ilegall conditions, etc" can be used for pretty much any product any industry makes, as most of products from nike, adidas, etc are made in very poor countries in work conditions just as bad, so at the end of the day that's just a way of feeling better about yourself
love the channel ellis, i just think that your reality makes you miss some important points about other contexts people live in, love from 🇧🇷❤
I was going to buy a fake Italy shirt. After watching this video I’ve decided to buy a real AC Milan shirt from M&M direct for the same price 💪🏻
You totally missed the point with the 20€ Shirts. Yes, you can get some random Colombian 3rd Divison Kit nobody knows for 20€, but people want the new Jerseys of the Clubs everybody knows. Try getting a new Real, ManU, City, Bayern, Barca, etc, etc, etc Jersey during the Season for 20€, that won't happen. Even once the Season is over they hardly fall lower than 50 or 60€ so people rather go on DHGate and get a 20€ Fake
Did you ever get them for 20€?
Have you even tried M&M direct? Shirts are as low as 15 quid by the end of the season, and not just any shirts. I've seen Barcelona ones of the same season at that price.
@@SuperOmarMansour never saw there a shirt of a top club from the last 2 seasons
Yes and you wash it 5 times and the shirt is ruined. You then buy another one. Another 20 pounds. Rinse and repeat
@@Shahar13 you haven't even fucking looked mate. Barca, ac Milan, schalke 04, Italy, gremio, city all below £20.
When I got older I have no energy to worry about what other people are wearing. And I can say there are decent copies out there but most are sloppy af. Just buy what suits your lifestyle, fake it till you make it.
As a newcastle fan I refuse to shop at sports direct and fund Mike ashley by buying a newcastle shirt from him as the money goes to sports direct and not the club. So I'd happily buy from dhgate.
I usually only buy the original shirts of my own club (Liverpool) they are the only shirts I buy that are originals throughout any era that they played. Everything else is fake and it’s usually because I love the design Ajax shirts for example usually come out with some cool designs.
My team never make enough shirts, they all sell out quickly so you can't get a legitimate shirt even if you tried. So no I dont feel bad.
This popped up in my recommended and its a really insightful video but for the sake of parity, did you buy those fakes from the same site(s) as the likes of Fiago ordered from and not just from any site because I think that could help with solidifying all your points made in this video.
I go on vinted to buy my shirts, I easily found a 2015/2016 barca shirt for 6 euro. Don't buy fake shirts they're just a waste of money and time.
The price of real football shirts are mental, if you arent a collector or rich then spending a fraction of the price for literally the same shirt with slightly worse materials is worth it. Not to mention being a NUFC fan theres no chance im giving Mike Ashely money!!!
same boat, im not a fan of putting more shrapnel in the pockets of the millionaires who are meanwhile destroying the club im trying to support them to uphold. of course my cash isn't gonna get him booted but it's more the principle
I normally agree with Ellis on a lot of things, but he’s missed the mark here. People genuinely want to rep the current season kits for the whole year but simply can’t afford €60+. I have a relative who picked up a fake jersey and he said there’s literally no difference. Sure they might not hold up so long in the wash, that’s why I’d hand wash them, but it’s certainly better than nothing. Obviously, I will buy genuine shirts if I can, but if I’m short on money but I want a shirt, I’ll go on DHGate or something.
I understand that these shirts aren’t made ethically, but neither are the real ones.
In conclusion, it’s your money. Spend it how you like.
don't let the fomo get ye
My club charges £90 for the home kit, and it’s not even good quality. I’m happy with my fake which I payed £20 for, even if the quality is slightly worse.
You can get stop quality for like 12 quid.
I’m amazed how more open Futbol community is to buying knock offs vs American sports base are.
i believe the "same factory" rumour stems from rumours in the fake trainer/sneaker marker, ive heard stories wherein factory workers use facilities to make extra money on the side, this is supposedly off-shift so it doesn't yield the same quality as the quality control or licensing is absent. this is merely rumours and i haven't looked into the actualities of it but i think that's where the rumours come from
The shoes are made in old Nike factories that closed in China I've read about that haven't seen about football shirts
that shirt looks like a garden glove 🤣
When you say fake what do you mean , you mean replica?
‘We’re not here to talk about how regular shirts are made’ how convenient given it would completely ruin your point. Maybe if everyone had the absurd money to buy shirts like you do then you’d be happy, but I doubt people who can’t afford £90 on a shirt want to be lectured by someone who can A) afford them and B) someone who gets sent them for free on occasions on what they should and shouldn’t buy? We ain’t all in your position
bet he watches dodgy footy streams on the sly
Bro promoted beer to children 😂💀
moaning abt ppl not buying originals while having a sponsor class mate
I wish beer hawk was here in the US. I have a beer tender. When it came out there were Heineken and Newcastle mini kegs everywhere for it. Now I have to special order or drive a few hours for a Heineken mini keg. They don't make the newcastle ones anymore.
I own a few fake shirts. I only have them because I didn't know when I ordered them because you couldn't tell in photos or I bought them very cheap at a thrift store. Lol. Definitely prefer the real thing. If you are truly a collector you can tell the difference.
I was wondering where Heineken kegs went. They used to be at gas stations now I can’t find them
@@WelziFC7 Yeah, I used to get them occasionally then early last year I was given a beertender and quickly realized the mini kegs are hard to come by. I live in Ohio and I have to special order it. Indiana and New York carry them in stores. Not sure about other states.
Let me put it in perspective for you from an overseas point of view. You have to pay £75 for the jersey, another exorbitant fee for the shipping, and VAT. And that team might not even be in the Champions League. Makes it even worse when you find out that these jerseys cost less than £10 to make. These clubs have deliberately priced out large sections of fans of their fanbases, and for a lot them merchandise sales aren’t even a large fraction of their revenue. So I completely get why the fake jersey market is booming, allows fans to rep their teams and without spending an arm and a leg. It’s a little bit like the piracy problem in music, film and video games. That being said, if you can afford a real jersey, then get one! But if you can’t, I don’t blame you for getting a really good fake. (Special place in hell for anyone selling fake items at the same price as originals)
So your saying Adidas, Nike i.e don't use sweat shops in China for their shirts !
PSG away lasted till now from Dhgate btw it’s still perfect
A fake football shirt for a fake football team like PSG... Kinda makes sense!
I'd by a fake but I would never buy a copy like with the kit maker missing or badge in a different position. Thats just taking the piss imo
Granted, sometimes I do buy fake shirts, however, money can be tight and I cannot afford the team that I want. For example, Fulham 23/24. I love the shirt but I don't support the club and don't have the money. £18 is a bargain. Money is tight sometimes especially when you work a not so well paying job.
I have to agree with some of the other comments. You’ve missed the point. The market for fake shirts isn’t for serious football fans and collectors. It’s for those that want the fashion or for those that can’t afford to kit out their kids/themselves. Also the irony of asking people not to send hate to people with differing opinions before showing clips of said people to call them out. But by far the best ironic thing you said was these fake shirts are going to Africa to be given to kids that can’t afford shirts 😂🙄
I see this point but the point about the shirts I’m giving away is… if I didn’t give them away they’d have literally no use? What am I supposed to do with them?
Exactly. Fans of football clubs will buy from the club shop because the money will go straight to the club (minus the kit manufacturer fee) but obviously with fake kits the money goes to a foreign company. I don’t support PSG but I would love to have the away kit because i think it looks good. Why should I spend £80+ on a shirt of a team that I don’t actually support?
@@awaydaysfootball it’s that they’re rubbish but good enough for kids in Africa who can’t afford them but not kids in the UK?
@@uheard African kids are poor, uk kids are well off
@@uheard but kids in Africa don’t have as much money as kids in the uk obviously not in all cases but a lot and many African countries are 3rd world countries with kids who would love any football shirts
I am not buying £100 shirt just for the gym.
You can have your opinion, but even with sales shirts for top teams are still around £50, which is a lot for a shirt. People would rather get something that looks very similar for less than half of the price. Only collectors like you who buy loads of shirts will recognize the lack of authenticity or even care about it
Was waiting for this video to come out!
Some of these points are ok but you gotta keep in mind a lot of people wear them to festivals as well I don’t think people wanna spend so much just to wear them once
Gotta admit, the quality of the fakes are getting better especially if you look for the right sites. Realistically, the rrp for shirts for the standard person is just way too much. Not all of us have video sponsers to help fund the hobby.
Luckily I'm from Malaysia, and most South East Asia countries have factories for sport manufactures such as nike and adidas and rejected shirts from the factories are sold for cheap prices.
You cant get them for under 20 pound especially since im in the USA. by the time I pay shipping its 35$ or more from a site such as Classic Football Shirts.
On about going to jail for fake shirts yet he’s drinking while under age 🚓
Ellis is over 18and
he's over 18? Idiot.
Buy the fakes and save money. Kids grow so fast anyway
I don't own any fakes but have considered it, as for example if I want a 90s Leeds shirt with Radebe 5 on the back I'm not going to be able to get that on M&M Direct, if I can find it at all it'll be over £150. From the examples I've seen the quality is at least passable and I'm not fussed about longevity as it'll only be worn every so often. I can't argue against the ethics of buying them other than you can go down that rabbit hole for a lot of things probably and tbh most of us are happy to be willfully ignorant about it. Thoughts?
I completely agree with the points raised here but one thing to mention is the cost of real kids shirts. Not all parents can afford £60 and up to let their children have the latest shirts/kits and fakes at a fraction of the cost maybe the only option.
True, but then some parents get mad cuz they think it’s real but it’s fake, depends on the parent really but I have a point on ur case