Hey I noticed when combining the two sources your tone gets quite dark. Those are 2 bright amps, so what’s happening is a phase cancellation of sorts, it doesn’t sound like they are adding up properly, as the high end would remain intact otherwise. All the best!
@@gabrielglenn1714 sorry, I'm a full-time producer and don't always have time to check my youtube comment replies. Anyways as for the solution, it would require adjusting the phase relationship of the two amps. This can be experimented with by use of the "Time Adjuster" plugin in Pro Tools and I'm sure many other DAW's have a similar tool. Delaying one of the two amps ever so slightly on a sliding scale will help determine when the best possible phase relationship has been achieved between the two sources. However sometimes this cannot be achieved and the truly better option is to just capture 2 separate performances with those 2 separate amps as there is next to 0% chance of any phase issues occurring. With any singular sound source being captured with more than one mic there will be discrepancies in phase due to both the distance of the microphone from the source and in this case mainly due to the differences in speakers between each amp. A speaker moves forward and backwards ever so slightly moving air and generating sound in the process. The manner in which each of these do that process can be different between the two amps, there can be cycle intervals where the resulting sound waves oscillate in phase with each other and then cycles in which they don't which can cause cancellation. Not to mention if these are recorded in small rooms/ poorly oriented rooms that can further induce phase issues due to reflections, especially at higher volumes. Simply having acoustic panels won't solve this.
I gotta say for the mono comparisons, I preferred the vox alone. I liked the wide/narrow explanation and that it’s down to preference. Keep up the good work man!
I use a Vox AC15 and Fender Deluxe Reverb, they combine so well and make probably the best pedal platform I've ever played. Never too harsh or too boomy, just right balance.
I have the same setup, I do wet/dry with the Fender Wet and ran clean / Vox at edge of breakup (been experimenting with stereo recently). It is such a great balance and the Vox fills out the mids quite nicely as demonstrated in the video. I love how gain pedals will make the amps react differently based on how they are set, headroom, etc. It makes for massive amounts of tone sculpting options.
i've found myself setting up patches in my HX Stomp like this recently, it's pretty fun. really enjoying a combo of their Princeton and AC15 models, very complimentary amps for the reasons you stated.
Wasn't this the method for The White Stripes/ Jack White? Clean Fender Twin with reverb and super high gain on the Silvertone. Seems really common but not very talked about. I've heard guys like Josh Homme or Dan Auerbach have like 5/6 amps live. Would be fun to see more experiments with this method, great video explaining it really well :)
Call me weird but I like to put my ac15 completely dry but medium reverb on my deluxe reverb for the wet part of my signal. I drive the ac15 a bit for some mid compensation and it almost always sounds way more fun and ethereal than play a single one of either amps. Also if you have a stereo chorus, use the vox for the clean signal to get a really nice iconic sound. I do love both on their own in their own way but there's something very beautiful in the combination.
3rd Power's Clean Sink gets you blendable Fender and Vox sounds, in a package the same size as a Princeton Reverb! They also have the Kitchen Sink which includes a Marshall-esque drive channel...
I've gotten really into stacking guitars recently, and this is great interpretation or the idea. I literally stacked 20 guitars (between a bass amp and a Vox AC15VT) on a 2 minute intro, playing drones all in D plus 3rds and 5ths, each one tuned to a Low, mid and high. It's very hard not to turn up the monitors the you're listening back. I'm very proud of it, even if I've probably got to deal with phase issues later, but I'll get to it eventually.
Two amps is awesome. I'm hoping to get a Rocker 32 soon which is a stereo tube combo amp, and combining it with my Orange OR15 for a wet/dry/wet rig! Run two 112's on either side of the room then use the internal cabs as the dry sound for the or15!
My man. I have thought about this as well :) with that rocker 32. With an orange in the center it’ll probably work great. I ran into issues with my amps sounding too different from each other so when I tried to do panning stuff it didn’t sound like panning so much as it did swapping between two totally different sounds, but with all Orange I’m sure the blend will be 👌🏼
Vox AC30 clone + Yamaha G100-210 mkIII with sansamp classic diy clone is my go to, you got all the tones you really would want as the sansamp can get a bassman tone, a deluxe or a boss ds pedal tone all in a box. Yamaha for the sparkly cleans, sansamp for a boost\lead and Vox for... well Vox. Live I only use sansamp directly into my boosts and fuzzes tho, as I have a DI box.
How about two fender amps? I am thinking 2 5 watt, a 57 champ and a vibro champ… OR should I try just a reverb pedal and something clean like a cube or a box??
wow on the clean sound both amps were so similar that one of them was redundant. ok on the 2nd slight gain the fender alone sounded better than the vox alone and both together. 3rd example was great with the difference between left/right. "if you can't afford two different amps then blah blah blah..." then yalls should get a used Line 6 pod and then it's all good.
I'm not sure that a two circuits amp would sound like two amps. It is more like puting you sign in two different channels of the same amp right? Since the cabinet and the resonance plays a huge part of the amps sound...
I think you'd get more variation using a guitar and bass amp... that bass amp doesn't add much to the clean sound...but kicking on a big muff with it going to both amps is like holy shitballs
could you please do this but with plugins? I think that doing that also is going to help to reach more people given thats more budget friendly in some sorts. Like helix native, the new metallurgy or neural dsp
When recording a second amp, do you prefer playing the same track a second time, or reamping with the dry signal of the original take in the other amp?
These are my amps! ...and I almost got a Revstar, but now I'm not gonna 'cause you have it. Dammit! hahah. JK. I still might, but I've been looking at the Brighton and it looks pretty gorgeous.
@@LivingroomGearDemos Whatever I choose is going to have heaps of glitter. Always nice to hear recommendations from people who have experience! Thanks.
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Dual rect and AC30 aka The Grohl's Color and the Shape is one my all time favorite dual amp tones!
Yes… this is exactly what I’ve done for so long. Adds so much depth to your sound.
nice!
This Fender/Vox combo in stereo has been my favorite amplifier rig for the past year. It’s so nice! 👌
Hey I noticed when combining the two sources your tone gets quite dark. Those are 2 bright amps, so what’s happening is a phase cancellation of sorts, it doesn’t sound like they are adding up properly, as the high end would remain intact otherwise. All the best!
Maybe more tone decay if there is longer cords
Well well we have a smarty sharty britches here..!
@justnTime077 not smart enough to give the solution
How about the solution here Simon??
@@gabrielglenn1714 sorry, I'm a full-time producer and don't always have time to check my youtube comment replies.
Anyways as for the solution, it would require adjusting the phase relationship of the two amps. This can be experimented with by use of the "Time Adjuster" plugin in Pro Tools and I'm sure many other DAW's have a similar tool. Delaying one of the two amps ever so slightly on a sliding scale will help determine when the best possible phase relationship has been achieved between the two sources. However sometimes this cannot be achieved and the truly better option is to just capture 2 separate performances with those 2 separate amps as there is next to 0% chance of any phase issues occurring.
With any singular sound source being captured with more than one mic there will be discrepancies in phase due to both the distance of the microphone from the source and in this case mainly due to the differences in speakers between each amp.
A speaker moves forward and backwards ever so slightly moving air and generating sound in the process. The manner in which each of these do that process can be different between the two amps, there can be cycle intervals where the resulting sound waves oscillate in phase with each other and then cycles in which they don't which can cause cancellation. Not to mention if these are recorded in small rooms/ poorly oriented rooms that can further induce phase issues due to reflections, especially at higher volumes. Simply having acoustic panels won't solve this.
Your channel is one of the nicest contributions to the YT guitar amp tone geek etc. community. ❤
I gotta say for the mono comparisons, I preferred the vox alone. I liked the wide/narrow explanation and that it’s down to preference. Keep up the good work man!
thanks Loopy :)
I always run an AC30 in stereo with a Fender Deluxe on my HX Stomp. Something about those Amps together is just magical.
I use a Vox AC15 and Fender Deluxe Reverb, they combine so well and make probably the best pedal platform I've ever played. Never too harsh or too boomy, just right balance.
I have the same setup, I do wet/dry with the Fender Wet and ran clean / Vox at edge of breakup (been experimenting with stereo recently). It is such a great balance and the Vox fills out the mids quite nicely as demonstrated in the video. I love how gain pedals will make the amps react differently based on how they are set, headroom, etc. It makes for massive amounts of tone sculpting options.
Great demo. Also that Revstar tone kills it.
Thanks!
The biggest difference are the speakers. It’s cheaper to just use a combination of Jensen and Celestion speakers.
The fender and vox combo sounds so rich👌
Indeed!
i've found myself setting up patches in my HX Stomp like this recently, it's pretty fun. really enjoying a combo of their Princeton and AC15 models, very complimentary amps for the reasons you stated.
nice, need to try that on my HX Stomp as well. Thanks for the tip!
Wasn't this the method for The White Stripes/ Jack White? Clean Fender Twin with reverb and super high gain on the Silvertone. Seems really common but not very talked about. I've heard guys like Josh Homme or Dan Auerbach have like 5/6 amps live. Would be fun to see more experiments with this method, great video explaining it really well :)
yeah, I'd say most big guitar players do. Both for volume and for tone
Call me weird but I like to put my ac15 completely dry but medium reverb on my deluxe reverb for the wet part of my signal. I drive the ac15 a bit for some mid compensation and it almost always sounds way more fun and ethereal than play a single one of either amps. Also if you have a stereo chorus, use the vox for the clean signal to get a really nice iconic sound.
I do love both on their own in their own way but there's something very beautiful in the combination.
3rd Power's Clean Sink gets you blendable Fender and Vox sounds, in a package the same size as a Princeton Reverb! They also have the Kitchen Sink which includes a Marshall-esque drive channel...
interesting!
I've gotten really into stacking guitars recently, and this is great interpretation or the idea. I literally stacked 20 guitars (between a bass amp and a Vox AC15VT) on a 2 minute intro, playing drones all in D plus 3rds and 5ths, each one tuned to a Low, mid and high. It's very hard not to turn up the monitors the you're listening back. I'm very proud of it, even if I've probably got to deal with phase issues later, but I'll get to it eventually.
This is one of my favourite tricks! I love using a clean Fender, and a higher gain marshall or something to fill out the mids
I was playing my deluxe reverb and Silvertone 1482 in stereo last night. It was exquisite
the silvertones are great for pairing!
That Revstar is so sweet
Clean Fender + overdriven Vox = chef's kiss
Very clear and concise good stuff thanks
thanks!
Two amps is awesome. I'm hoping to get a Rocker 32 soon which is a stereo tube combo amp, and combining it with my Orange OR15 for a wet/dry/wet rig! Run two 112's on either side of the room then use the internal cabs as the dry sound for the or15!
My man. I have thought about this as well :) with that rocker 32. With an orange in the center it’ll probably work great. I ran into issues with my amps sounding too different from each other so when I tried to do panning stuff it didn’t sound like panning so much as it did swapping between two totally different sounds, but with all Orange I’m sure the blend will be 👌🏼
thank you for sharing, imma try it 🔥
is that a reliced fender player plus? if so how did you do it? looks good
It is. Not sure how he did it, but Oslo Instrumentfabrikk did it for me.
I dig your playing. Qotsa flavour in a goodway
thanks!
Vox AC30 clone + Yamaha G100-210 mkIII with sansamp classic diy clone is my go to, you got all the tones you really would want as the sansamp can get a bassman tone, a deluxe or a boss ds pedal tone all in a box.
Yamaha for the sparkly cleans, sansamp for a boost\lead and Vox for... well Vox.
Live I only use sansamp directly into my boosts and fuzzes tho, as I have a DI box.
How about two fender amps? I am thinking 2 5 watt, a 57 champ and a vibro champ… OR should I try just a reverb pedal and something clean like a cube or a box??
Did you get inspired by our little chat a couple weeks ago? Fender + Vox sounds amazing. Or a Fender Deluxe with any mid-humped amp really!
I wish I could say yes to that, but I’ve had this video planned for months! I mentioned it was coming up in my Victory video if you want proof ;)
I believe Phil X runs a Friedman/Marshall head and a small 8 inch Supro combo together.
I always use two amps, or in the case of recording our album, twelve :)
I've heard about the AC30 / Super Reverb combination. I wish you could try it in one of your videos.
it is a nice combination! I know a couple that does it - sounds great. It's pretty similar to this though!
Do you make music? I stop by just to enjoy your tone and playing more than anything
wow on the clean sound both amps were so similar that one of them was redundant.
ok on the 2nd slight gain the fender alone sounded better than the vox alone and both together.
3rd example was great with the difference between left/right.
"if you can't afford two different amps then blah blah blah..."
then yalls should get a used Line 6 pod and then it's all good.
Whats the best way to split the signal into two amps?
is it possible to use aby pedal and use 2 amp simulator pedals directly into mixer to achieve this?
I ran my Orange AD15 and Fender Pro Junior together for the first time last week at rehearsal. The sound was majorly arousing....
I'm not sure that a two circuits amp would sound like two amps. It is more like puting you sign in two different channels of the same amp right? Since the cabinet and the resonance plays a huge part of the amps sound...
I like to blend different speakers for this reason
I think you'd get more variation using a guitar and bass amp... that bass amp doesn't add much to the clean sound...but kicking on a big muff with it going to both amps is like holy shitballs
How about mixing a solid state and a tube amp? I really like the sound I get mixing my fender champ and shitty peavey pa
Will try, my Peavey PA is being repaired atm
You playing electric with a thumb pick lol Tommy Emmanual would love you bro.
Wow the distorted rhythm blend sounded horrible. Was there an issue with the speaker phase?
They are recorded seperately, so can't really be a phase issue. They just sound bad.
Do you like doing this with bass? Like putting it through a bass amp and guitar amp?
could you please do this but with plugins? I think that doing that also is going to help to reach more people given thats more budget friendly in some sorts. Like helix native, the new metallurgy or neural dsp
Great start to a series of recording vids. Next up, re-amping for dummies 101.
I would probably need to watch a re-amping for dummies 101 myself, because I suck at it :)
Some inspired riffing in this one!
thank you, thank you :)
Noel Gallagher also used this method in his Oasis days
When recording a second amp, do you prefer playing the same track a second time, or reamping with the dry signal of the original take in the other amp?
Definitely playing the same track a second time!
These are my amps! ...and I almost got a Revstar, but now I'm not gonna 'cause you have it. Dammit! hahah. JK. I still might, but I've been looking at the Brighton and it looks pretty gorgeous.
I don't have the Revstar anymore. On loan from Yamaha for a couple of vids. Can't recommend them enough!
@@LivingroomGearDemos Whatever I choose is going to have heaps of glitter.
Always nice to hear recommendations from people who have experience! Thanks.
Tom Delonge is way ahead of you lol
This is the exact amp blend he uses.
Not saying I was the first ;)
I’d love to see the same video but with the walrus audio acs1
I don't have on unfortunately
my dream amp would be a marshall :P
Many of my favorite artists seem to combine two guitar amps, hopefully i'll be able to afford even one tube amp one day lol
yeah, and it's also a hassle to set up. Unless you have a space where you can leave it up all the time.
Do u think running amp thats similar sounding panned left n right is better for the chugga2 tones? Sry Im a bedroom noob..
I'm honestly not sure, since I'm not that familiar with the chugga. If Metallica does it, it probably works!
@@LivingroomGearDemos yeah I would assume likewise. Thanks anyway
How could you call a "Guitar Super Amp" a "Samp", when we all know that the right term is a "Sump"?! XD Still, a great video, though.
Strat sounds out of tune?
Hmm no? It’s tuned to E flat and I’m pulling the neck sometimes for an effect, but it’s not really out of tune in my ears.
cool 🇧🇷👇✌️
legal em?
@@LivingroomGearDemos I liked the video .