Are There Too Many Minecraft Events?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- The oversaturation of the Minecraft event scene is something that I've mentioned in the past but never properly talked about. With the recent debut of Biome Battle, the topic has returned and some people have given their takes about specific games in Minecraft events like MCC, Block Wars and Pandoras Box.
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Wolfeei mogul mail made a controversial video, so it's time to clarify some things that I forgot to mention in the video (my bad)
- Smaller events existing is not a bad thing! It's good that these events exist to give smaller creators the opportunity to participate in events. We had an entire panel about this at TwitchCon this year lol
- My main issue with smaller events is that I keep seeing a lot of similar players in them. If these events are here to give new people a chance to play, why are we continuously seeing BWO players and other familiar faces consistently appear in them? If the events are trying to grow, that's cool, but then they'll be compared to other events that are trying to grow, at which point the topic of "too many *similar* events" comes up again.
- The idea of events collaborating or even merging has a big flaw, and that's that that mentality is fueled by the concept that these events are trying to be "the next best Minecraft event" built for larger content creators, which is not what every event is trying to do. This was a big oversight on my part and I apologise for that!
@@wolfeeii I completely understand where you are coming from now. I really do hope we start seeing more people who aren’t in many events. I love seeing other people who don’t play competitive minecraft or even minecraft in general figure out how to pvp, parkour and work with their team!
@@pinkiee226yeah it would be great to see simmers like teams in future events
Easy. No - there’s no “too many events” overall, there’s just too many SIMILAR events that have the same concept - you don’t see people complaining about EVNT existing, or any of the BumpyJake events because they’re *Different*
EVNT also has a very high production value and their events are super polished and they make a completely different event (almost) every time
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Exactly.
I mean more events = more minecraft I don't really see a problem minus like some scheduling nightmares
My thing with it is it makes events less special, when I joined the event space 4 years ago I saw MCC and went "holy shit this is so cool", it was unique. Now events are losing that spark because it's all a lot of the same. I agree, more content can be better, but this is like the second coming of "Let's play Minecraft ep.3892", it gets repetitive and samey
@@KaizoVerse if you are in that mental sure, but like people will still watch events regardless, it's literally never going to be like it was before so there isn't really a reason to be upset about it/blame the idea of it, like we have such a safe set of minecraft content now so it's very pog
I'd agree that events being too similar is an issue (both in games and rosters) but I do not think merging events/asking coders to leave their projects for other bigger ones is a viable solution. People make events for a variety of reasons and to benefit the community. Saying we have too many events doesn't account for the fact that all of these events exist to fill a demand. These events would not run if the demand for them wasn't there. As a smaller event player I can't get into a blockwars, pb, etc. so I rely on the smaller events, regardless of game similarity, to have fun with friends and make content. I realize these bigger events need more staff and I think people should offer more support to them but I don't think most of these event makers really want to do that. Great video highlighting this issue but I think talking to people from this smaller community would be really nice for the future (and you note you don't know half these events).
^^^ Smaller events tend to bring in communities of people together and especially help smaller cc's grow, I can confidently say you probably wouldn't see 80% of biome battles roster in a block wars or a bigger event
I agree that having smaller events is a good thing, especially to give an opportunity to streamers who are less likely to make an appearance in events like MCC, BW, PB, etc. I made a mistake forgetting to mention player base similarity & difference, because that is one of the major reasons why I think this gets brought up. A lot of smaller events have people in them that already play in many other events, which gives off the impression that there are "too many events", even if that's not necessarily true
@@wolfeeii 100%. I think events should absolutely work on diversifying their games/rosters. It makes it seem like events are all cookie-cutter versions of each other when I don't think they are/mean to be. I think many of the people who complain about this issue are the same people who play in every event they can find, which is perfectly ok and I have no issue with, but this should kind of be expected. At the end of the day I think people can choose what they want to play in and what they don't. It's fine to say you don't like certain aspects of events/feel like there are too many events on a particular day but with how many events there are you can actually pick which ones you want to apply for/play in which is really cool.
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my biggest problem with events isnt the amount of them but rather the rosters. they all feel the same because all the players are the same. something i love about block wars is seeing the most random player interactions, like astralspiff from fnaf with couriway from mc speedrunning. so fun
My tweet came about entirely separately from Toph - I actually didn't even know that happened! I've just seen SG and Spleef for donkeys years. SG has many problems in an event setting, and without a radical twist, it suffers from the same ones. Spleef is the same gameplay loop every time, and doesn't need 3-4 rounds of it in every event. It's a good casual arcade game for an event's roster, but there are more ideas out there that let all players have fun. There should be other arcade and team games that events at least attempt to make instead of always copy-pasting Spleef.
Anyway yeah, no dramas, events are fun, just wanted to bring into conversation that events don't have to have a Spleef game!
I mean theres definitely space for people to do different things - look at EVNT or some other one offs, but yeah minigame stuff is saturated.
That being said… let me cook. We got something in the works.
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should probably be pinned lmao
I agree this should be pinned. But at the same time I hate how obvious it is and that it has to be said
tbh for me this its a "Token minecraft event life cycle" with just being the same minecraft events over and over with no twist. biome battle broke the life cycle bc they have smh in their sleeves to show us and its cool and innovative. For most new events its hard to make something new so they just stick to the token formats of games (Race game, Spleef, Team v Team pvp game, Sky wars ect)
i get the "join another team", but the problem is that you probably will have to go through an interview, or you will be asked to show a portfolio or maybe even both. If you want to help a bigger event to be better but have no proof that you can do good work, you won't be accepted, hence why people just make their own event. It happened to me (I have since joined some staff teams, but if I hadn't worked on my own event, I probably would have never been there in the begeinning)
I say their are too many of the same players in the same events, making every event feel the same regardless of the fact that alot of events have the same styled games. Like ope token race game, token parkour game, round robin pvp game, sky pvp game.
As a small Minecraft creator I would love to compete in Minecraft events, but I’m obviously not big enough to make it into something like MCC or BlockWars. So more events would give me more of a chance to compete in one. I have kind of a unique opinion though because most feedback comes from a viewer and not a creator.
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Another element that’s at least related is that we’ve seen events that become successful and have an identity crisis split into two events; BW and BWO + PBA and PBG. Although they have the same games for both halves of the roster split and in PB and especially BW’s cases have several good to great games, it’s another timeslot full of minigame event with same type of players that are already event players. Now this is an oversimplification, especially considering BW’s variety appeal and PB getting some people new to the event space like Zylenox, but it’s worth noting that asking smaller events to combine while larger events split rosters taking up event more space both roster-wise and in good timeslots for the event is a tough sell. Being able to do a split successfully is a well earned reward of running an event well, but it does feel like a “rich get richer” situation. You’re 100% right that innovation and creativity are needed if another event is to separate itself from the plethora of small scale ones ofc, but imo larger events splitting makes it harder to gauge that risk as worthwhile. Then again I don’t know what I’m talking about really, just writing down observations for some reason ig
split events like BWO and PBG taking up valuable time slots is definitely a fair complaint to have. It's only really an issue when the player bases are similar for events on the same time slot, which does happen with some BWO and PBG players, but not too many, so I think it's alright
@@wolfeeiiyeah I should’ve compared rosters and event dates/times before making that assertion good point
I was about to comment on this, I totally agree. I think it's somewhat hypocritical to comment that smaller events should combine to help lessen the bloat of the minecraft event scene, when 2 of the largest events, PB and Blockwars take up 2 slots in the same sort of cycle. I think that the concept of a split for these events is very good, you can have 2 somewhat separate very cohesive rosters that allow for different types of players to be added. But in context of bloat in the minecraft event scene, I think they are definitely part of the problem. My reasoning for this is because it's 2 events not that far apart with the exact same roster of games with the same updates and changes unless there is some big issue with the first event. This makes a situation where it's practically the same event happening twice in quick precession, just with different players. That's my opinion on it at least. I completely agree that events should be creative and try to branch out, but I think it's unfair for them to have to join together to save space when larger and more popular events get to take up double the time because they are more entrenched in the community.
Ngl when the new block wars season was announced with "big changes" I thought it was gonna ditch the mcc formula
that would require an entire event redesign, which essentially wouldn't be Block Wars anymore
@@wolfeeii yeah i get that, I have no clue why I though that in hindsight lmao
If we keep going at this rate there will be two events every weekend.
i would be down for that
And that’s a bad thing why?
ik theres a sequel video to this but i still wanna give my two cents before watching that: i think a big thing that a lot of smaller new events are currently missing is actually making an interesting theme and respecting it, I think mcc did a fantastic job this season so far with a few events, another one that i recently watched that i found really interesting was knights at the square table, and of course biome battle with the season mechanic and the beautiful maps and aesthetics.
If a new event manages to actually make a theme that's more interesting than the usual "we are so chaotic woooo" that would get my attention for sure
so long as they each continue to do things that make them stand out, there can technically never be too many minecraft events. before them, minecraft gameshows were essentially EVERYWHERE as long as you looked for them and there were hundreds of those lmao - and minecraft events are essentially those but live lol
To be fair the smaller brand new Minecraft events are great for smaller creators who cant make it into massive event like MCC but they can get oversaturated at times
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Okay, hear me out.
While I do agree that the event scene is kind of all centered around having 8-10 teams of 4, 6-8 minigames being played and having movement, pvp and team games, I don’t see a problem with it. The idea you stated about having events combine into 1 would just mean that the bigger creators would be the only ones getting to play. Sure this couldn’t be an issue if two events for smaller creators combined into 1 but realistically, every event is just trying to grow their audience and they do that by inviting the more big creators/creators who are in the event scene in replace of the smaller creators/creators who are not in many events. In conclusion, if you want just minecraft event players who are well known to take more of the spotlight, then this is a wonderful idea! but I don’t think this would be very beneficial.
Now in regards to the other things mentioned in this video (mostly games and events being too similar), I agree that events have become really similar and stale at times however, we also have to remember why there’s so many minigame events that tend to be competitive. Answer is because it’s fun. Having an event where there isn’t anything going on other than 1 game mode being played for 1-3 hours isn’t going to be fun for either the players or the viewers. Sure, it would be nice for more unique ideas when it comes to events but the layout of there being minigames of all types and teams, already works well. You can make minigames unique and very interesting which would make the event be more interesting and less stale.
As for the types of games in events, I do see how having the same games in every event can be a bit boring (like spleef, parkour, sg, round robin, etc.) but those are amazing starters for some really fun game ideas and the possibilities are endless!
Overall I disagree with your opinion however, I do understand where you are coming from on certain aspects.
if smaller events consistently keep appealing to the smaller streamers who don't get the opportunity to play in other events, I'm all for it. I think it's amazing that these people can be given an event to play in regularly. My problem is that I keep seeing the same people in every event, including some people who play in events like BWO or PB, which just feels like it defeats the whole point of the smaller events. These people also tend to have larger audiences that are more likely to be critical about the events, which just creates further negativity
that's my main issue, which I should've mentioned in the video, my bad
@@wolfeeii I understand where you are coming from now. Sorry about that haha.
Also, I agree that we NEED more creators who don’t play minecraft events regularly or don’t play minecraft at all in more minecraft events. I love seeing people’s skills in things that they don’t normally do.
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Mayhem and Mania actually did merge together for a pride event and it went quite well
Formula of 8 games with rising score multipliers was too successful apparently... waiting for new formats
I want to make my own Minecraft event now......
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There are too many shitty ones.
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The problem is that the rosters, themes and games are ALL too similar for events. The content turns out to be very similar and a lot of them just no longer feel unique. When MCC, BW, PB, Mayhem, Mania got distinct communities and “roles”, it didn’t feel like there’s too many of them.
Imo there is actually not enough events, because you could clearly see a huge lot of people complaining about not getting into rosters or getting benched for weeks.
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While I do agree with the statement that the "mcc style" events are done a lot and can get stale, I feel like another big factor as to why these events can become boring are because a lot of the smaller event's rosters are very similar. A lot of people watch events for the dynamics between teams, and when events have rosters that consist of the same players, it loses a lot of uniqueness and incentive to watch the event can be lost, as viewers will be less likely to get an original team to watch. I do understand the limitations in terms of teams with how comfortable some players are with people they do not know as well, but I feel like a lot of teams in events these days are unoriginal due to the same player roster being used for multiple events.
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No so many people wanna play events like these and people have fun playing in them
Too many minigame events? Yeah
Too many mc events? Nah
Completely disagree, there is not too many events. The market is so big and the demand is so high that it’s basically impossible to fill it. The fact now we’re getting to the point where we’re getting 10% of the way there and more and more people get to play events this opinion comes up, idk what this individuals goal is with this but not everything has to be completely new to be fun. There are still original good ideas out there sure but starting with a baseline of what you know already works doesn’t hurt anyone, and even if you keep that fairly standard event and give it a unique enough roster it still does good for the space. And the idea of “coders should go to bigger events that need them not new small events” goes directly against the idea of originality because if that happened events like Biome Battle wouldn’t exist. Sorry this is a bit of a rant I just completely disagree.
Edit after watching the full video: Look I love your content 99% of the time, this video is not it. You say you know very little about smaller events then bashed them for merely existing and having the same format as bigger for 15 minutes. I see where your coming from but I regally wish you got the other side of the story too, not everyone can get into the bigger events, smaller events give the same joy on a much more accessible level.
as mentioned in another comment, I made a mistake by forgetting to mention roster difference and my opinion on that. I do think smaller Minecraft events existing is a good thing, I didn't say that smaller events shouldn't be a thing, I just think from a pure event standpoint, seeing extremely similar events is meh. I do think it's important to give smaller streamers a chance to play in these smaller events, but then I also tend to see some BWO players consistently appear in these events, which kinda defeats the point
@@wolfeeii Some of the bigger content creators playing (the more unique) smaller events gives them more a spotlight to to be more well known in the scene which results in more opportunities in roster creation and in staff options, which can cycle into the event getting better and better, I see your point though it can defeat the purpose a little but imo it’s a necessary sacrifice.
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Also cool video idea (and understand if it can’t be done for confidentiality of intellectual property), but you mentioned in the video that if you had the chance to design an event again, you’d do some things in unique ways compared to what we’ve seen in the event somewhere thus far. What would that look like? I know I’m not alone in wanting to see your vision for this event if you hypothetically had the chance to make it a reality.
I'm not sure what I would do different as of right now, but I would for sure not go for the MCC format. A minigames event would still work, it could just be done differently
What I say is: if people enjoy the event then who cares? No need to be all elitist about it.
that's valid, I just gave my perspective from what I've been seeing
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MCC is kinda "grandfathered" in the event scene - I mean theyve been here for almost half a decade and were the first big-ish minigame event, BW was the first next "polished" minigame event and is more of an event in Minecraft than a Minecraft event now (source {for the BW thing}: Wolfeei a couple of months ago), PB and Mayhem are "too big" to merge if that makes sense (like theyre not as big as a BW but are miles ahead of most events) and Biome Battle had an amazing first event (despite some issues) and is overall looking very promising
These 5 events Id consider to be the 5 main events of the MC event scene (tho I might be biased towards BiomeBattle cause Im a tester for it and recency bias), and for pretty much every single other event in the thumbnail (besides MC Monday which is of course not running anymore), Id say "merging" with a similar enough event would be the best since (from what Ive seen) many of these are those "generic" and "unoriginal" events tho pretty much all of them have something unique that alongside another event (or 2) would make for something awesome
Also, with what you said about not every event having to be a "multiple minigames" event, I absolutely agree tho its kinda like video essays - there werent any, someone/a small group started making them and in high quality as well, it blew up and suddenly everyone wanted to make one and it made the whole genre oversaturated and for the most part unoriginal
Its also a problem because (from what I know) making an event is not easy nor free, having to pay for developers/graphic designers/social meda people/server hosting/ddos protection and all that takes a lot for someone so most of them wouldnt wanna risk it unless they know/believe its a good enough concept
Id say for an example Enderara's Z Games - its "just" Survival Games, its not meant to be many different minigames so (from what Ive seen) it works (this is just the first example that came to my mind so if there are better examples Id love to hear them)
And to highlight what another comment said - no one is complaining about what EVNT and BumpyJake are doing because their stuff is very much original and unique
What I wanted to point out is that we as a community (or maybe just event owners/managers and maybe other important people) need to figure things out because while there is talent, not everyone can do everything and there's only a handful of genuinely astonishing events that have managed to stand out in the eyes of the public, whereas many other events have unique gestures, but most of them would be better off "merging" with other events (as you said)
[Edit]: Also also (this just came to my mind), I feel like a big portion of the event viewerbase is either:
Following a certain person that is playing (e.g. variety creators in BW, Im not saying that not a single person that watches a creator isnt gonna watch the event if theyre not in, but most of their fans are there for their creator that they follow and maybe not specifically that certain event)
There because there are minigames (Im mostly talking about kids in both of these situations)
Also also also, thinking about the whole "merging" thing, while on paper its a good idea, I somehow overlooked the whole idea of the value it brings to their creators and the smaller events being for "smaller" creators (as another comment pointed out)
It also mentioned a topic I kinda just skipped over an that is that many events have similar rosters - I mean, Im not saying its a bad thing, but it definitely brings issues with timetables especially
Also also also also, I feel like a big problem is whether events want to be for-fun or competitive and have content creators or friends - not saying an event cant have a mixture of all, but if you have a friend event and start letting a lot of content creators, of course its gonna lead to an issue (which we've seen BW and PB solve by splitting rosters but I just think event makers need to think about what direction they wanna go in with that event at least once imo)
These were my thoughts after an exhausting day (for me) so Im sorry in advance if this is unnecessary long and if there are some dumb takes in it (which there probably are)
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the more the merrier, but i do agree that I dont like every single event is a 8 minigame event with a multiplyer, not saying events like this are bad but its a bit repetitive...
I was working on a smaller event and another event reached out wanting to work together, we actually ended up merging, and are getting lots of work done and making a cool event!
Ps. Its called Destiny Games, the staff merge was huge as one event had lots of devs and the other had builders
I've seen the thumbnail, here's my response without watching the vid.
Even if you watch 4 events (MCC, BW, Pandora and Mayhem) you still see them once a month and not for a whole year. If you watch pov of one player for example Feinberg, he doesn't participate in every event. So I can watch him compete about once every 3 weeks on average. Unless you're trying to keep up with all the events that are out there, I wouldn't say there is too much.
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what if we ban every minecraft event and everybody who ever helped with anything EVER and we restart everything we know
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