Came here to know more about what i consider one of the best and most significant masterpieces of classical music of all time. Thank you for this video.
Not just classical music. It is simply the purest form of music. It's the greatest masterpiece of all time, I don't think that there ever will be a song equally to it.
@@TheMusicLauncher What about Bach's Jesu joy of man's desiring, or main subject in his fugue part in (toccata and fugue in D minor) or finally, descending arpeggio in Beethoven's Appasionata main theme? What could be even more fundamental than that?
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I had no idea Ode to Joy was based on his earlier works, so I have learned something new. I can hear the similarities in certain parts of earlier works. Thanks for sharing.
This inspires me to feel better about recycling melodies I made up. I mean obviously I shouldn't to the point that it's pretty recognizable in every piece, but it's nice to know I'm not the only composer who recycled their own music to make new works
Thank you so much for this piece. I have been in love with The Choral since I first heard it on the soundtrack of A Clockwork Orange. A controversial film of the 1970's. So he devised a theme and let it cook for a few decades before serving it full blown and glorious. Superlatives are never enough. Beethoven always.
Beethoven often reused a theme if he felt like he didn't squeeze out all of it's potential. Another example is the "million" fugal subject from the finale of the ninth (second double fugue), Beethoven used it again in op 123 credo
Hey man! Awesome work. I really, really love your stuff. You should open a Patreon account or something ;) Anyway, I would love to see a detailed overview of changing styles/conventions/musical language from the Renaissance up to contemporary classical music. I'm currently reading Alex Ross' The Rest is Noise, and I think it's necessary to help people put contemporary classical music in the right perspective.
Thanks for the ideas! Why do we have to start with the Renaissance?.... we can go further back than that 😉 As for Patreon, that's the goal eventually! Glad to know there's already some interest. Stay tuned!
The Rest is Noise is a wonderful book. I had to get it for an elective in college and it's probably the only book I don't regret having to buy for a class!
I think another much earlier piece can be added to the genesis of the contredanse melody that you show as the example of Beethoven recycling themes very quickly. That being his Eb major Piano Quartet no. 1 written in 1785
The final movement is in D Major. But the first two movements of the Ninth are in D Minor. This is also the case with Beethoven’s 5th Symphony in C minor, which starts in C minor but ends in C Major. Symphony’s are generally based off Sonata form where the key signature for which the piece is titled applies only to the first and last movement. However in the case of a Symphony in Minor where the composer might wish to end the piece heroically or upbeat (something minor keys doesn’t lend themselves to) the finale can employ the parallel key. D Minor to D Major. A minor to A Major and so on. This is more a characteristic of Late Classical and Romantic Symphonies in minor. It’s just an option a composer can use. Depends on the kind of piece that is being written.
When you mention the similarities between Gegenliebe and the 9th, you show a piece of sheet music that does not belong to the 9th but to a song based on it.
I am aware of the piece, I even thought of including it in the video. In the end nobody knows if Beethoven quoted it, but it's by no means outside the realm of possibility.
It is very easy to repay oneself especially when we write music because it becomes a mode of expression. A composer has many possibile techniques to modify it..love your videos..keep up the good presentations. Thank you very much.
LIsten to Misericordias Domini K.222 by Mozart, you will hear the Ode to Joy theme, approximately at 1mn, and very distinctively. Sheer coincidence ofc.
Not likely Beethoven was aware of the piece.... but then again who knows. It's possible that the thematic idea stems from an older choral or compositional exercise. Who knows....
@@MusicaUniversalis well, Beethoven did say Mozart was his musical hero at times. I’m sure he heard this song when young and cherished the melodic passage. When Beethoven composed the 9th symphony, he was already almost completely deaf. Maybe he remembered this passage then and desired to pay homage to Mozart as a last gesture of respect. 🤔🤔🤔
Beethoven: ima make Ode To Joy cuz why not Beethoven: *dies* Some beginner composer dudes: let’s simplify Ode To Joy Some years later Creeptanium: Ima make Ode to Zynth Farms to make people remember the existence of zynth farms
@Musica Universalis: Can you actually hear that this song was the same, or because of the notes you read? I Tried, to hear, but the versions are very different.
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Came here to know more about what i consider one of the best and most significant masterpieces of classical music of all time. Thank you for this video.
Not just classical music. It is simply the purest form of music. It's the greatest masterpiece of all time, I don't think that there ever will be a song equally to it.
@@TheMusicLauncher What about Bach's Jesu joy of man's desiring, or main subject in his fugue part in (toccata and fugue in D minor) or finally, descending arpeggio in Beethoven's Appasionata main theme? What could be even more fundamental than that?
@@TheMusicLauncher please: th-cam.com/video/zMf9XDQBAaI/w-d-xo.html
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I was stupid lost my password. I love any tricks you can give me.
I had no idea Ode to Joy was based on his earlier works, so I have learned something new. I can hear the similarities in certain parts of earlier works. Thanks for sharing.
This inspires me to feel better about recycling melodies I made up. I mean obviously I shouldn't to the point that it's pretty recognizable in every piece, but it's nice to know I'm not the only composer who recycled their own music to make new works
beethoven devoped this theme true out his life and took him almost 30 years to get the right version he had in his mind that just awsome :D
Was he a globalist? He wrote the 5th for Napoleon. And the UN uses this for their Anthem.
@@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323 I mean pretty much, he was a big proponent of the french revolution.
Thank you for this informative and beautifully made video. Leaving not only with a lesson on a great composer but with one on life. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this piece. I have been in love with The Choral since I first heard it on the soundtrack of A Clockwork Orange. A controversial film of the 1970's. So he devised a theme and let it cook for a few decades before serving it full blown and glorious. Superlatives are never enough. Beethoven always.
ah absolutive and elative do tho
I like you last few sentences regarding the making of that famous melody, that its seed started much earlier and bloomed to maturity.
Awesome! Thanks for these amazing videos
Subscribed. This is an awesome channel, I hope it gets more attention.
Really well done! I didn't know that the choral symphony started as a song.
Nice work and good catch! Thank you!
Amazing work!!! Greetings from Brazil!
Fascinating!!! Thank you!
i sang this at karaoke who's theme was 80's (song came out in 1785).
It's almost as if he was building up to the final version and finally managed to crack it
Beethoven often reused a theme if he felt like he didn't squeeze out all of it's potential.
Another example is the "million" fugal subject from the finale of the ninth (second double fugue), Beethoven used it again in op 123 credo
what makes even more impressive is that Beethoven was deaf when he did the 9th
let that sink in
I only came here because od evangelion stating that ode to joy is a song about unity of humanity but stayed for the historical music lesson
Hey man! Awesome work. I really, really love your stuff. You should open a Patreon account or something ;)
Anyway, I would love to see a detailed overview of changing styles/conventions/musical language from the Renaissance up to contemporary classical music. I'm currently reading Alex Ross' The Rest is Noise, and I think it's necessary to help people put contemporary classical music in the right perspective.
Thanks for the ideas! Why do we have to start with the Renaissance?.... we can go further back than that 😉
As for Patreon, that's the goal eventually! Glad to know there's already some interest. Stay tuned!
The Rest is Noise is a wonderful book. I had to get it for an elective in college and it's probably the only book I don't regret having to buy for a class!
Interesting video!
I notice the Fate Motif in Mozart's piano sonata in C minor. Perhaps Beethoven quoted both the key and the motif from this Mozart sonata?
I think another much earlier piece can be added to the genesis of the contredanse melody that you show as the example of Beethoven recycling themes very quickly. That being his Eb major Piano Quartet no. 1 written in 1785
Great!
was hoping to get my question answered online somewhere. Might as well try here. Why does it say Dm in the title but have two sharps like D major?
The final movement is in D Major. But the first two movements of the Ninth are in D Minor. This is also the case with Beethoven’s 5th Symphony in C minor, which starts in C minor but ends in C Major. Symphony’s are generally based off Sonata form where the key signature for which the piece is titled applies only to the first and last movement. However in the case of a Symphony in Minor where the composer might wish to end the piece heroically or upbeat (something minor keys doesn’t lend themselves to) the finale can employ the parallel key. D Minor to D Major. A minor to A Major and so on. This is more a characteristic of Late Classical and Romantic Symphonies in minor. It’s just an option a composer can use. Depends on the kind of piece that is being written.
Great thanks
When you mention the similarities between Gegenliebe and the 9th, you show a piece of sheet music that does not belong to the 9th but to a song based on it.
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Most interesting.
Also Mozart's Misericordias Domini K. 222 has a melody that's similar to the ode to joy theme. Maybe it's a coincidence?
I am aware of the piece, I even thought of including it in the video. In the end nobody knows if Beethoven quoted it, but it's by no means outside the realm of possibility.
Great catch :)
In the hymn of Joachim Neander "Lobe den Herren" there is a short motif which is similar to the first half of Ode to Joy's theme.
Really very simillar) but version of Beethoven more melodic and memorable. Good analysis.
If masterpieces do not appear over night, then explain, for example mozart 18th symphony, act 1, opening
As a composer and songwriter i often use similar techniques but in this day of recorded music you have to be careful about repeating yourself
It is very easy to repay oneself especially when we write music because it becomes a mode of expression. A composer has many possibile techniques to modify it..love your videos..keep up the good presentations. Thank you very much.
@@francobonanni3499 Your Welcome my friend
LIsten to Misericordias Domini K.222 by Mozart, you will hear the Ode to Joy theme, approximately at 1mn, and very distinctively. Sheer coincidence ofc.
Not likely Beethoven was aware of the piece.... but then again who knows. It's possible that the thematic idea stems from an older choral or compositional exercise. Who knows....
@@MusicaUniversalis well, Beethoven did say Mozart was his musical hero at times. I’m sure he heard this song when young and cherished the melodic passage. When Beethoven composed the 9th symphony, he was already almost completely deaf. Maybe he remembered this passage then and desired to pay homage to Mozart as a last gesture of respect. 🤔🤔🤔
Who is singing the Gegenliebe?
It's Peter Schreier, I nicked it from the Loft Music Channel.
Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/OD4-dpO_8kc/w-d-xo.html
Great, thanks! Love his voice. Nice video, btw!
@@MusicaUniversalis It's private?
Could he have been recycling melodies because he was losing his hearing?
I don't think so, because he wasn't deaf when he recycled the Eroica melody. I think it's just part of being a composer.
Mozart, "Misericordias Domimi" K222
this is not just a story..wow
Beethoven: ima make Ode To Joy cuz why not
Beethoven: *dies*
Some beginner composer dudes: let’s simplify Ode To Joy
Some years later
Creeptanium: Ima make Ode to Zynth Farms to make people remember the existence of zynth farms
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Relevance?
4:40 “Masterpieces don‘t appear overnight“
Indeed, in Mozart‘s case, it appeared over morning.
K.222 Mozart
And now, the European Union anthem
Im still trying to figure out with King of the UNderlings chose this as their Anthem. Was Beethoven a globalist? I know he wrote the 5th for Napoleon.
Grade 9 here
Like all arists...if you've heard or read or seen one...you've heard and read and seen them all...same old same ol.....
Erm……blank response.
@Musica Universalis: Can you actually hear that this song was the same, or because of the notes you read? I Tried, to hear, but the versions are very different.
facepalm, @dichter u r i the wrong place
@@SyrianSanjoob ???