1:200 RMS titanic Build Video 40
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2023
- A quick rundown of the propeller options for the 1:200 Titanic kit.
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Nora's hilarious 😂 😂,I bet theirs never a dull moment around her
The three blade is now accepted by the best experts on the center shaft.
They can not see it as it is too buried and dangerous to remove the sand.
The center shaft was also driven by a steam turbine engine and could not be reversed and was only used when under way.
The out side props were steam piston driven and could be reversed.
I hope you'll also do a detailed video of the packing and prep for shipping of the model... I can't imagine how you'll keep the delicate rigging and masts from being damaged...
I would also like to see the shipping
Almost there! I'd go with the 3-blade, too. Though my opinion doesn't count, cause I'm not footing the bill.
Love the title of this video! 😀 See you next time, take care, and go for the grant.
Going a long way is an understatement (LOL). I just did all 3 props, and it is amazing. Got rid of the brush marks by continuing to wipe the brush on some paper towel. Works great. Thanks for the tip!
Glad it helped!!!
Thank You for the patron callout!!!
If you two ever do a podcast.. I'm in!
Loving your videos, all the way from the UK.
I did a bit of research on your prop issue and you made the right choice , most sites confirm a 3 bladed center prop . As far as the props now at the bottom of the ocean there is shots of the rear of the wreckage with the starboard prop sticking out of the mud .
The thing is, the stern is buried very deep. The propellers are poking out of the mud when the stern is buried way up to E deck. This means they’ve been pushed up. Center propeller is probably very deep in the mud.
@@IllBushido When you see how much the starboard prop is sticking out of the mud , which is about half exposed , the center prop is real deep indeed and the port side prop even deeper . Although there is enough evidence where most are in agreement the center prop was a trifecta ..
@@waynesbutler7834 no yeah I agree. There’s no evidence of a four blade whereas there’s a log from the ships manufacturer stating the the three blade configuration. Just pointing how difficult it would be do actually see it on the wreck. The outboard props are basically folded/pushed up to E deck from the impact on the sea bed.
The issue people tend to have is familiarity bias. People have seen Olympic propeller photos labelled as Titanic or have just had the four-bladed configuration in their mind as fact for many years. (And they were quite happy to accept it as fact even though it was merely an assumption!)
It can be very hard for them to recognise that (as you rightly say) there's no evidence of a four-bladed centre propeller and instead the evidence (from primary sources: the shipbuilder's own records) is for a three-bladed centre propeller (similar to the three-bladed centre propeller fitted to Olympic in 1913).
@@mark_chirnside You raised some great points . Like alot of discoveries many have made a career out of assumptions and pushing ideas that are not based on facts and when someone comes along with great evidence changing the field on whats accurate you will get push back . Sad fact though , if this model came with more life boats representing what should have been then this story may not be told and 1500 still alive . Considering who died how would the world be different if they didnt ..
All the way from Australia.... looking fantastic!
Very interesting Ben and Nora. Lots of good info.
I saw and i am doing the following. Black primer, apply as you did. Wait about 5 to 10 minutes and you can Buff with a soft cloth to bring the shine you want. Your are doing a hell of a good work.👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great video.
Thanks Ben and Nora, l like the way you painted the centre prop. Just painting the tip of the prop hull red and leaving the blades and boss bronze looks fantastic. I'm going to have to change my whole situation immediately. You to guys have helped my build so much. Thanks again for sharing your skills and talents 👍
That AK product looks like it has the same function as Rub and Buff.
As always, very enternaining and useful
Podcast is a good idea
well Ben you were pretty much right on the money about the center prop, the picture that you showed is of the Olympic, she was fitted with that propeller when she was in dry dock receiving repairs because of the HMS Hawke collision. White Star Line wanted to replace Titanic's center prop but she was leaving on her maiden voyage in a few days so what they did was to have Thomas Andrews keep detailed performance notes from the time the Titanic left and when the Titanic would return back to England, Thomas Andrews upon returning back to England would take all his performance notes back to White Star Line and they would determine at that point which propeller was best to use for their ships either the 3 bladed or the 4 bladed, unfortunately the Titanic didn't make it back so White Star Line decided to stay with the 4 bladed props for the center on both the Olympic and the Britannic which was under construction at the time, so yeah you were pretty much on the money with the center prop explanation........good job.
Olympic was fitted with a three blade propeller for a brief time! Later returned to four for the rest of its career.
@bushido9913 yes I'm aware of that, when she collided with the HMS Hawk they brought her into dry dock to repair the damage and that's when they decided to replace the 3 bladed prop and put a 4 bladed prop in its place.
A good sonar transducer placed on the bottom should answer the question
You would think!
I've heard reports that the middle propeller was secretly raised from the wreck, something about it being made from Byzanium...
If it was done illegally, we’ll never know.
Hi Ben, I have just been watching 1/200 scale engines for Titanic & they are operational these are highly detailed engines, transmissions , housings , shafts & props you can seen it here on you tube , they come from Agora Models, keep up the good work .
I’d say if one were to use the Trumpeter kit and fit it to be an RC, the pitch and shape of blades on either the second or third option would perform the best. If anyone has tried different propeller configurations on their RC and have some feedback I’d really love to know!!!
If you look at photographs of all three Olympic Class Liners they were fitted with four bladed central Propellers to help reduce vibration levels when all three liners were travelling at proposed 24'knots maximum speed as specified by Harland &Wolff ship builders original blue prints in the company's archives if I recall correctly from memory from the multiple books I've read and studied about The RMS Titanic and her sisters Olympic and The HMHS Britannic, I hope this clarifies the situation with the propeller configuration with The Olympic Class Liners it basically the same across all three vessels be it slightly different diameters.
The Titanic had a three bladed central propeller. By the way: there are no photos from Titanic‘s propellers.
@@Monarchist94 That being said wasn't The Olympic herself fitted with a three bladed central propeller in her 1913 refit not too long after the Titanic disaster it's quite probable that Titanic was fitted with a three bladed central propeller as well to test the performance levels and the overall efficiency of the propulsion systems fitted to the White Star Line liners, as we don't have any pictures to prove otherwise we can only hazard a guess then the company converted her back to the four bladed central propeller in 1919 as this proved to be more efficient.
@@michaelanson9291 yes 100%
Nice work on those props Ben! The metal wax has been out for years, so hardly new 😉
Kennith! I’m loving your Enterprise series! Keep up the great work!
@@TheMidwestModelShop Thanks Ben! 😊
Ben,
When your client’s Titanic is complete you are going to ship it to him.
If possible could you do a video on you crating it for shipment.
I’m really curious how that will be accomplished.
Thanks, Rick
I noticed in the picture of titanic there is visible clean line separating the propeller mount and hull. your model ben seems to have been filled and is smooth have i seen where people are using styrene to fill in. Just curious. Thanks Troy
It looks to me like the two vertical blades on the outside propellers are facing in different directions, the middle is the same as the port side but different to the starboard side, or am I just seeing things
Really enjoy watching you build this model
No, the centre propeller is the same as the starboard propeller. The port wing propeller turned counter clock wise. The centre and starboard wing propellers turned clockwise. The centre propeller worked on a turbine and was only able to aid forward propulsion. Putting the engines into reverse would only activate the larger wing propellers whilst the centre propeller remained inactive.😉👍
Yes and a good indicator for which direction a propeller will rotate while moving ahead, examine the pitch of the blade and it will sorta show you which direction the blade will push the water. :)
Definitely a class above any other with this model’s overall appearance thus far.
Ben, what central configuration will you be using mate and after you complete your clients kit, will you be completing yours or will you start on the carrier?
Brilliant job so fa!
I’m going to complete mine. Then the Enterprise will be next. Depending on the progress, there may be some overlap.
@@TheMidwestModelShop overlap is even better, twice as many videos mate!
Looking great! I have always wondered why the Titanic had such a small rudder. Seems to me a larger rudder would help it turn, thus avoiding icebergs. What are your thoughts?
Agreed. However, having the center propeller increases the effectiveness of the rudder. Which may be why they went with a smaller one.
@@TheMidwestModelShop although that may be true but a larger router would had helped the ship avoid the iceberg and it may have affected the operation of the central propeller but it would had helped the ship to avoid the iceberg.
By the way Ben if you're looking for a good movie to watch on the Titanic besides the regular one everybody knows about may I suggest the movie called
'TITANIC THE BIRTH OF A LEGEND'
It gives the behind-the-scenes story of the workers that built this ship and what they went through but just a thought
Obviously a tighter turning facility would have helped on that fateful night but my research suggests that under normal conditions the rudder was not an issue. The Olympic sailed for 24 years and it was never considered necessary to modify the rudder. Admittedly she did have a couple of accidents during her service and nailed a U boat too! 😉
Hey, firstly I’m no expert myself whatsoever so what I’m saying is just based on recent documentaries I’ve watched. The movie mentions this and they say Titanic couldn’t corner worth a damn. But in a recent documentary, and I can’t remember which one it was. But they claim that this is inaccurate that the Titanic could actually turn very well, but they had so little time to react and start turning the ship once the lookouts saw the iceberg. But I personally know nothing, just a normal person here. Just thought I’d mention what I recently heard. And as you’ve probably heard, some believe that had they let Titanic hit the berg dead on she might’ve stayed afloat. But again they had so little time to make decisions and the natural human instinct would probably be for most to try to avoid the iceberg entirely. And we now theorize that there might’ve been what’s called a cold air mirage effect going on the night which made the horizon a lie, keeping the iceberg hidden under the mirage until they were close enough for it to appear into view. The crew thought that they could see for miles. This was all in that documentary I saw. And I think even Captain Smith himself had a conversation about being able to see for miles and he had apparently asked for the crew to notify him immediately if the weather conditions change. Personally from everything I’ve heard it feels like it was kind of a freak accident, although they could have stopped for the night like many other ships in the area it was still such incredibly bad luck that they just happened to be heading straight for this iceberg and how it cut such a long (might not be a cut, some think the plates’ bolts were compromised) that six compartments were breeched. It was the perfect storm. And we often talk about there not being enough lifeboats but they also ran out of time. Two boats were never launched. Then as we know the Olympic had a 24 year career, Titanic if she would survive the war with the same luck might’ve also never sunk had this not happened. Britannic of course sank even faster because her hull was warped and some of the water tight doors couldn’t close. But yeah I’m no expert, all I can do is share what I’ve heard 🙏
@@johnnyhollis9977 that was crazy how she rammed that U-Boat yeah!
Forgot the video title Ben!
This one is a freebie! You can make up what ever name you’d like 😉😂
I was around boats throughout my youth, and all the yachts (large, extra large, and small were made out of bronze. I am thinking that the Titanic's props were also bronze and not brass.
Yeah they were made of bronze. I just chose that color because I think it looks right.
Ben Nora … can we get the keel to mast too height? I want to build a case for mine
14 3/4 inches.
Why is there numbers on the flappers????
Ben a quick question regarding the mast. Wouldn't there have been a ladder up to the crow's nest?
There is. It’s inside the mast.
@@TheMidwestModelShop 👍👍
Hello, what paint do you use for the red line? Thanks 😃👍🏼
That’s Tamiya primer.
@@TheMidwestModelShopthanks 😊
@@TheMidwestModelShop I seen tamiya red oxide. Is this one? 😲
@clemengarcia7985 yes that’s it
@@TheMidwestModelShop 😃👍🏼
Ben, I just painted my propellers and I used a color slightly different than the hull bottom. Would they have been identical? I'm thinking they wouldn't.
I don’t know why they would be different. But it’s your model! Paint it any way you like!
@@TheMidwestModelShop I was thinking that the hull would be "bottom paint", the kind that never really dries and they would use a different type of paint on the propeller hubs maybe?
Well you can do your own research, but I’m pretty certain it’s just anti-fowling paint. So that would make it the same on the props as the hull.
Does anyone have a link where I can buy the metal propellers
I believe it’s someone on Facebook.
Cant find anything 😏
By coincidence, next week the Woods Hole channel will show some old footage of Alvin diving on _Titanic's_ wreck: th-cam.com/video/kmfjjsRbKCY/w-d-xo.html They say most of the footage has not been made public before.
Titanic is considered a mass grave site, so salvaging (treasure hunting) is against the law. On the bright side, if you have a ton of money, there are seasonal tours out and down to the wreck. These people are the best known: www.youtube.com/@OceanGateExpeditions
ps Loving the home stretch of this build.
In my model I put a 4 blade propeller because I consider than the Titanic have this propeller as the Olympic, until some scanner in the bottom of the ocean in the Titanic show me the central propeller.
yes me too ! it's too hard for me the Titanic with the central propeller with 3 blades lol
Thing is, there’s no evidence it had four blades…
Up until now, it has been an assumption. James Cameron used assumptions in his movie for some interiors based on Olympic and realized they were wrong upon visiting the wreck. A document from Harland and Wolff is very good evidence of what was happening. Even Olympic was temporarily fitted with a three blade central propeller during a refit some time after the Titanic disaster since performance wasn’t properly recorded.
There are documents from both Harland and Wolff and the turbine Engineer's notebook belonging to Stephen Pigott (John Brown & Co). Engineer's notebook shows the proposed specifications of center propeller as a 3 bladed. This proposed configuration matches Harland and Wolff documents with slight changes.
Also, an alleged photograph of her center propeller in the dry dock had been analysed in an article called "the object in the barge". The object was reconstructed in 3d and it matches a 3 bladed prop.
So, until they scan the Stern and find out if it's 4 bladed, whatever evidences available point to a 3 bladed configuration.
I mean, Harland and Wolff records indicate otherwise, that Titanic was fitted with a 3 bladed center screw that H&F wanted to run a trial in an attempt to perfect the propulsion configuration on the Olympic class. Olympic was fitted with one briefly in 1913 but was shortly refitted with a 4 bladed design. But at the end of the day, you paid for the model, it’s completely your preference and if you like it with 4 blades then so be it. Aesthetically I like 4 blades on it, but the nerd in me would want it historically accurate. 💕
I have built several scales of the Titanic, smaller than yours but have always painted the propellers all brass. I see you did yours differently. So I was wondering where you learned the propellers weren’t all brass but a combination of brass and steel. I know you put a lot of time into research this subject matter so I figure I’d ask. I’m not sure if I would ever tackle this project since I would not have a place to display it when it was finished! Lol
I have a book called “Titanic Ship Magnificent” with all the info. It’s hard to see, but in the photos you can tell they painted different parts of the hub assembly.
The Olympic class ships had anti fouling paint on those spots just as done here.
I have no problem with this video but that 3 bladed peppers form me looking at the ship under water and the way it looks it had 4 bladed but not to start a problem so I'm going to end this comment here.
What?
@@IllBushido what do you mean what
@@jamesdennis2004 I can’t understand what you are trying to say.
@@IllBushido in other words I don't agree with the center prop being a 3 blade prop instead of a 4 bladed prop
If you want to disagree with Harland & Wolff (who built Titanic), that's your decision.