It honestly feels like some kind of embargo has been lifted here. When this was happening in 2021 there was a slight inkling of disapproval from the commentators, notably in Saudi Arabia and Brazil but then a lid was quickly put on it. The ex drivers who kept on banging the drum quickly disappeared from the telly. Fast forward to 2024, Verstappen is at it again and suddenly it's OK to call it out and administer appropriate penalties. Are we watching a sport here or some kind of reality show?
yep, 100%, it seems that people are revisiting 2021 and noticing that Max's driving was totally unacceptable throughout the whole season, and it's back. He was only "mature" when his car is 2 seconds faster than everyone else's. Many of us saw that at the time but the FIA and the commercial interests suppressed the appropriate criticism.
Exactly. The spoiled Dutch driver never matured. He simply lost his fast car and is showing his true driving style and signature move of missing corners and pushing people wide. Especially now that he's got so many points ahead of Norris. He couldn't care less if he crashes out his direct title rival contender, as long as they both don't score a point, Max wins this championship. That's complete lack of character from Max. In 2021 Max won his first title because he lost his cool and couldn't overtake Hamilton cleanly in Italy, so he intentionally crashed Hamilton out of the race. He won his first title in 2021 because Checo was a savage blocking Hamilton at that final race. He won in 2021 because Michael Masi manipulated that final race. Facts.
@rosswildon8917, Who said that? Give us an example of who and when. The minute anyone no matter who is either pushed off or they do the pushing, the commentators jump on it almost acting like the F1 version of footballs VAR!
its because lewis also had dirty moments like silverstone and monza. this made them kind of like equals in how they were driving. however lando is trying to be as clean as possible yet max is just trying to put him in a wall. also max is much more experienced now and is supposed to be more mature now
@@Roeland666 Are you saying Max wouldn't have received any penalties this weekend if Tim and Johnny weren't in the stewards room? If so that would plainly be the wrong decisions, Max absolutely deserved penalties this weekend.
@Roeland666 what's your point? The implication of your post is that the penalties were a result of who the stewards were as opposed to reflecting the poor driving and decision making from Max.
They didn't want Lewis to win another chip. they wanted another champion and that's it. Look at how they let it all go and even changed the rules to allow MV to win his first chip.
@@HUMC5 To me it was worse than that, they fell under pressure yes, but it was a far better scenario for a TV show if you had a new championship winner, on the last lap of a race, than an 8th time of the same old guy ...
Even people who have no idea what F1 stands for or it's rules can clearly see that Max's overly aggressive and reckless driving behavior is out of line. I've shown those many moves, in Austin and Mexico to two of my American friends, who don't follow F1 and they both agreed something needs to be done to keep drivers from pushing other drivers out of the track like Max does every single time he races. Did you see that clean battle between Hamilton and Russell? It was a lot more entertaining to watch. The rules should state clean racing is mandatory. Any overly aggressive move such as pushing another car, or completely missing a corner and or keeping position off track must be penalized. This whole ahead of the apex situation is insane and needs changing.
It happens every race, pushing someone of the track, but the drama created by Sky sports and those British 'fans". Ridiculous. The same about the swearing of Charles. Nobody cares. Max was punished. It's hypocrite.
@riancastermans1607 that's complete nonsense to say the drama is because they're British drivers. Max is incapable of racing cleanly. Like Damon Hill said, it's a complete lack of character from Max. Dive bombing to get ahead at the apex to claim a corner whilst completely missing the corner, leaving the track and pushing the other car wide needs to be made illegal. End of story.
@ we can pretend Benetton wasn’t cheating by retaining a form of outlawed traction control for 94’… in your book Michael deliberately crashing into Damon and taking them both out was okay? Like he later did again in 96’ but was DQS from the season? Likewise I think Senna should have been DSQ from the 1990 season for smashing into Prost in the last race. But Senna should have won 1989 without the FIA interference. So they keep championship totals the same. Unlike Damon and Michael, as well as Max and Lewis.
"the Max and Lewis issues" suggests so much mental equivalence of fault. 2021, recall this was 100% Max driving Lewis off the road without any attempt to make the corner himself, none at all. It wasn't even investigated and no penalty was given.
Wow, wasn’t that the same year Lewis ran verstappen of the track into the wall in a huge collision. The double standards are obvious with you Hamilton fans 🙄
@@marcowijbenga7901Pathetic to be so partisan over this. But whatever turns you on, eh? I like all the drivers and get equal pleasure when any of them win. Try it, it’s much more pleasant, especially if you’re a militant Max fan. His reign is in jeopardy and I imagine he’ll jump teams sooner than later if red bull don’t improve this season. Having said all that, I find it hard to like Lance Stroll 😂
Why are people excusing shite driving just because it is by their favoured driver? Take your blinkers off, what Max does and keeps doing is not racing FFS!
@riancastermans1607 not just British fans but all true fans of the sport. Personally I would be happy to see him get a race ban b4 he does some serious damage to someone or even himself
Basically whenever Max has a main championship rival and doesn’t have the car to beat than on pure pace he drives like this. Latter part of the 2021 season and now this season as well.
Last race was the perfect example, when Carlos overtook him he defended fairly, but as soon as Lando had a go he was looking to cause and accident to take him out of the race.
Exactly this and just like 2021 he isn’t bothered if they crash each other out because he maintains his lead in the championship. So it’s either you back off or we crash just like 2021 all over again.
Why is this even a topic. F1 pundits have shown to have zero integrity with truck loads of hypocrisy. There was no problem with Max's driving style throughout the "whole" season in 2021, but all of a sudden Max's driving style is a problem and a topic of discussion. Why is that?
The rules need tightening up…again… specifically for Max. His attitude has always been « you try and overtake, we crash, you try to stop me overtaking, we crash ».
That's it. You got it in a nutshell. And stewards should be aware of his attitude problem by now so as to be extra harsh until he finally grows up. He will never be a great champion until he can do it like the great champions, like Alonso and Hamilton.
Same attitude Schumacher and Senna had. And now both of them are the idols of about 90% of the current grid. Lets not pretend he is the first that goes over the limit.
@@justlookingaround9834 well, you might believe that, but 99.9% of fans either don't know or care about it. Things like these don't really get remembered. Has been like this forever in many sports and will be the same for Max
This is also showing Horner's character. One would hope that a team principal would acknowledge and seek to address recklessly aggressive behaviour in one of his drivers.
Not really, why would he as the team has benefited so massively over recent seasons from their car being driven in this manner by Max. Until such point as the rules and interpretations of the rules, mandate change in Maxs driving and racecraft, why would you expect any difference. What is clear is that Max and RBR are prepared to roll with the punches. It’s really down to the FIA to manage their sport. Then it’s down to the teams and drivers to decide how they work with these. Wanna stay clean in limits, unassailable to rulings? Go for it. Wanna push the limits and patience of stewards every race, because of risk/reward? Try it. I think what everyone is agreeing on is that the latter needs and gets harsher consequences, and is also bringing sport into disrepute for many fans and sponsors. Every sport needs heroes and villains.
Not fair 😂🤣.it was Tim Mayer’s father (Tom) who helped establish McLaren back in the day, however Tim has nothing to do with McLaren today. But I bet he has drunk the odd Red Bull in his life. Stop crying FFS. Are people complaining about a Belgium being a Steward, given that MV is 50% Belgium, was born in Belgium and lived in Belgium before moving to Monaco. Grow up.
@ no, but they would complain if Jos Verstappen would be a steward, wouldn’t they? Like Tim is to his father, de McLaren founder…he’s literally family😉 Better to hire people who are not linked to a team/driver…from countries who do not participate…
@ Jos isn’t capable of being a steward. He is wife beater FFS! But sure find stewards for countries who are not participating if it helps you cope. But please make sure they actually have some knowledge of the sport. The funny thing is that the only steward who was present at Austin and Mexico was actually from Belgium - so a countryman of MV. 😂🤣 However a better alternative would be drivers simply sticking to the rules they have agreed to in order that the stewards are not even required. Now there’s a thought. Radical I know, drivers not cheating and therefore the FIA not having to bother.
Doesn’t make a difference 😂, if the decision was wrong they can fight it and it will be changed . But rb knew it was slam dunk and they immediately served it in the pitstop . Checo got in pen in Abu Dhabi for similarly hitting lando off like max here , in this case max dint even let lando keep the position after pushing him off . Second move was a 10 sec anyways regardless of what for forcing another driver off track and overtaking him off track
@@SmoothPhoenix You need to check Derrick Warwick as well who heavily favors max and is a steward too. Too much rocketpoweredmohawk crowd here regurgitating whatever he says
Why didn't Sky F1 call out Verstappen's driving in 2021? Are you going to do a feature that explains why it was "hard racing" then but too much now? Max has always driven the same way. Why has Sky F1 changed its view of it?
I'm convinced that the two stewards Johnny Herbert, former Sky F1 pundit, and Tim Mayer, the son of the late McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer, was 100 % impartial 😎
I've been moving to the position that more drivers need to stop rolling over for Max and drive exactly how he does. "YOU lift or we crash" has brought him to where he is and there are millions who love his passion and aggression - just like millions still pretend Senna and Schumacher weren't prepared to do the same or even worse.
@@adamozmin8970 why don’t you go watch that again. Or as many times as it takes to see what happened. Max crashed again. Lewis doesn’t crash unless max is there. Wherever max is, there’s a crash.
I have no respect for horner after his comments about lewis a year or so ago....he makes me laugh saying we need clarity on racing and racing lines....its like he wants one rule for max and one for the rest of the drivers...i mean horner sain in the past thats not an overtaking corner and the next breath if their is a chance or a gap max will go for it ffs....CLARITY.....its racing and overtake where you can i my opinion but also keep to the track and safe...
yep, Verstappen cares about nobody but himself, selfish spoiled and like Damon says, Red Bull are not managing or helping him develop as a sportsman by always making excuses for him - literally whatever he does.
I think the regulations of F1 need to be changed to a simple solution, Force a driver off the track and its proven you could have raced fairly and not pushed them off. 10 sec stop go. Its the only answer to it. These lunges without giving the position back immediately, not 2 laps later. should be implemented. This way max knows if he drives this way his race is over. Also it will deter other drivers from doing it. Also Lose DRS, make the cars as small as the 2010 spec cars. Then we got room to race.
Horner is doing exactly the same thing McLaren did after Austin. Making all kinds of spreadsheets 😄. Mclaren has been working on the case against Max all week. And it worked. Because otherwise Max would never have received a 10sec penalty for the turn 4 incident.
Carlos Sainz will help Williams become a top F1 team. His experience will enable Williams to develop their cars quickly and more efficiently. Williams knows Sainz in a top tier F1 driver. I foresee Sainz on the podium again in a Williams in the near future. Don't forget that Franco Colapinto putting in laps at the Mexico Grand Prix that were equal to the race leaders. Imagine where that car might finish in qualifying and in the races in Sainz' hands?
Lewis by rights is a 8 time world champion. But tell me one season that max has won a championship without redbull been found cheating or without controversy. Max will always be membered by real F1 fan's as a paper champion.
Forget this. Leclerc swore in the official FIA press conference. He now needs to be penalised for it just like Verstappen. You cant have one rule for one and not the other!
Damon did not do karting, a major disadvantage, in terms of racecraft. Re: Damon's Senna comments, he had to drive that way against Prost, since the head of the head of the governing body Jean Marie-Balestre was blatantly on Prost's side. Max is maximising the rules and also targeting his rival Lando, it is working. The rules are wrong. Professional full time stewards are definitely needed. Are all 3 presenter's not aware that Max copies Schumacher's method of making the car very loose, too loose for their team mate ? Albon clearly explained this already. Herbert would know all about it !
Allow me to remind you all of Silverstone 2021. Hamilton did receive a 10-second penalty, and the stewards ruled him at fault. However, there was one significant difference: Hamilton forced an opponent off the track, resulting in a 51G crash-a moment that was not only celebrated after the race but even featured in a Sky F1 Christmas promo. What Max did in the recent races was indeed wrong, particularly his second move. There are no excuses, and the 10-second penalty was entirely justified. However, Max did not force Lando off the track into a potentially life-threatening 51G crash involving a title contender. Let's hope we never see such dangerous incidents again.
@@alexpeak16or charging people off track because you can’t handle coming second so you have to break the rules to save your fragile ego from taking a knock.
Max seems to want to win at all costs but has also said winning a championship won't change his life. What are the odds of Lando and Max NOT coming together on track before season end ?!?!
Yes the penalties were fair. When Max drives like this, he is dangerous, I would go even further if I were the FIA. I would put Max on a warning that would be if he causes another driver to drop out the race Max would be deducted 50 pounds from this seasons total. As Max knows that if both he and Lando don't finish a race Max benefits, theoretically Max could force them both off the track for the rest of the season and still be world champion, so there needs to be punitive measures in place to discourage this, Lando has to live with that fear every time he tries to overtake Max.
@ His extreme max opinion is based on his problems with Schumacher. Maybe you like senna? Watch back Susuka 1990. Murray Walker thought it was ‘fantastic’.
These hypocrites hyperfocus on Max to the exclusion of everybody else. When Max is gone what will they do? Stop watching F1 is most likely, since there is no more dopamine from the drama.
Easy way to control this nonsense. 1) bring back live grass and gravel trap-type runoffs, and 2) Make the cars a bit more fragile in the front and rear suspension components just like they used TO BE. The era where we had grass, gravel, and more fragile cars meant that drivers weren't taking crazy risks on overtaking on the outside of corners where historically speaking it was impossible to put one's self in that type of a risky position. I used to race karts and formula ford. I wouldnt dream of putting myself on the outside of a driver in a corner for the risk of being driven off into a gravel trap, onto slippery grass, or even losing a front wishbone. All these tarmac runoffs are making the risk taking non existent to a point. We couldn't put ourselves into a position whereby the driver we were trying to overtake would have to give us space all of a sudden on the outside knowing that they then can't take their natural race line sweeping from the inside to the outside.
Damon spoke about Ayrton senna in Suzuka against Prost. The pole position was moved off the racing line to accommodate Prost, which ayrton knew to be unfair and did the right thing.
@@stu4635 Did you know Lewis apologised for that. Max has never admitted or Apologised when he's Wrong. Takes a Big Man to Apologise for any Wrong Doings!
None of the other hard racers have ever been over line as much as Max is by default, much more subtle about pushing the boundaries. And when they get it wrong they actually own up rather than throw blame at everyone else...
We all understand teams and drivers pushing right up to the limits, but Max goes so far beyond what everyone else deems acceptable that he cant be allowed to continue unchecked. It all stems from Christian and Helmut not holding him to very high standards of driving or sportsmanship. Its like they are scared to pull him up. Obviously his father is only making things worse, so it's up to the FIA. Enough is enough. Even the local go kart track would hold patrons more accountable for their driving than the FIA are doing with Max.
This issue isn't complex at all. The issues arise from the attempt to satisfy everyone and ensure their happiness with any changes. The solution is straightforward: alter the rules to prevent such occurrences and let the drivers handle the rest on the track. If another car is beside you going into a corner, you must leave a car's width to allow them to remain on track. If either driver veers off the track, they should be penalized. It's as simple as that. It's puzzling why common sense doesn't prevail. Leaving it to the drivers only results in chaos, as we've seen with cars obstructing each other during qualifying earlier in the season, despite agreements between them. For a sport as advanced as Formula 1, it's absurd that we're constantly discussing basic rules.
Does anyone realize that Max got his second 10-second penalty on lap 20 and did not enter the pits until lap 27? By that time, Sainz had built up a 15-second lead. If Max had gone into the pits within 2 laps of receiving his penalty like other drivers normally do, Lando more than likely would have won because Sainz would have only been about 6 or 7 seconds ahead. Max should have received a BLACK FLAG for not entering the pits in an appropriate time after receiving his penalty. That cost Lando the victory.
What abiut Ricciardo coming back to redbull for these last feew races or next year. Perhaps thats why there wasnt any fanfare with him leaving? Wishful thinking but maybe he could at least do some post racing trials in comparison to Yuki?
Red Bull needs to approach Williams about hiring Carlos Sainz. It would be an elegant solution to the second seat at Red Bull and Williams can keep Franco Colapinto. Also, Carlos Slim has said he will not be sponsoring Red Bull due to AT&T signing on as a major sponsor; he doesn't see any advantage competing sponsorships. He has indicated an interest in sponsoring Franco. Win-win across the board.
Or Princess Pinkham. Out of the two, at least Patrick was a racer and does know most/some orf what shes talking about, Princess Pinkham simply doesnt and what she does state is someone elses thoughts.
Good thing you mention Senna, because Everyone says how great he was and how much they love him. But he was as aggressive as Max. Max is just Senna and Schumacher combined in one person.
Do the stewards have to be at the race? Why not have them centralised at F1 HQ and away from the pressure on the grid? All they need is the tv streams and comms.
When Damian struggles to support the judges, then you have an issue. The stewards are not consistent from race to race. They have become an issue, not a solution if you change the advisers every week, you get different responses.
@@DonalMartinplusLando was only given a 5 second penalty because max forced Lando of the track. Otherwise they was going to give Lando a ten seconds penalty. Maybe if max didn't go around forcing people off track then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
To clarify if it should have been a 5 or 10 second penalty since Lando got 5 seconds in Austin, in the verdict of Austin, the stewards specify that usually it is a 10 second penalty according to the guidelines but they took into consideration that Max went off the track as well, hence the reduction of 5 seconds
Damon spot on as always. He's also been on the receiving end of it. Never forget the Oz Gp when Schumi drove him off the road and won the WC. The other drivers in F1 aren't persistent offenders. Even Checo learnt (vs Button).
This is not real F1 these are Formula E plus cars at best. They don’t let them race. I’ve been watching real F 1 since Dijon 1979. Real drivers like Senna Gilles Prost Brundle Mandela Piquet Berger laugh at these crybabies this is called racing they need to rub tires these is fake F 1 lol c’mon
I think Damon described the stewarts' dilemma quite accurately. And even as a Max fan, I think that the second incident with Lando was just stupid. Why RB didn't insist that Max gave the place back thus avoiding at least one penalty, was beyond me. Everyone could see that a penalty was imminent.
Horner: “And I think the way the regulations or the guidelines have evolved is encouraging the driver to have his nose ahead at the apex, *IRRELEVANT* of whether you’re gonna make the corner.” Any doubts of what are the Max objectives and methods? He didn’t care at all leaving the door open for LEC in COTA, SAI almost passed him as well and in Mexico he almost took LEC’s car.
Agreed, one was fair enough, the other should have been an instant black flag and at least 6 points if not a ban which would have taken him to at least 10 points. Cars are safer now but no crash is guaranteed to be non fatal and his move amounted to an attempted deliberate crash
@@HectorBrocklebankHBFash I've read plenty of people defend Max: even Martin Brundle and Peter Windsor did their best to gloss that driving over. Jos Verstappen meanwhile has criticised the stewards instead for unfairness. This halfway house isn't working - all the drivers should drive like Max. We may end up with 3-4 cars finishing the Grand Prix but if that is what "fans" and experts are clamouring for, the drivers should give it to them and rules be damned.
A race ban is completely ridiculous. Max deserved a drive through at most. Idk how you can say Max deserves a race ban when Lewis only got a 10s penalty for Silverstone 2021 which actually sent a driver to the hospital
@randalladams, The rules and regulations dont need changing. Its the people applying the rules and regulations and handed out the penalties that get it wrong almost all of the time. Thats where the problem is. The head steward is ultimately in charge. Warwick was in overall charge in Austin, he didn't direct the stewards correctly, they didn'y apply the rules and regulations correctly. Herbert was in overall charge in Mexico, he directed the stewrds correctly.
@@bsrbck You mean Herbert who openly said he wants Lando and McLaren to win and Mayer the son of the co-founder of McLaren? Yes they are absolutely unbiased… This alone is already very questionable why they are assigned as stewards when the battle is getting closer. Maybe F1 is trying to force a ‘21 situation again?
In Austin, Lando should have let Max back though (clearly not allowed to overtake off the track), Max should have got a track limit strike for leaving the track (and Lando shouldn't as he was run off). In Mexico, Lando brilliantly played Max at his own game and beat him to the apex. Max gets there second, pushes him off and gets his penalty. Then Max gets the red mist and purposely drives them both off track... a clear 2nd penalty (possibly a drive through!). The current rules can work. If Max gets track limits strikes when he's first to the apex and runs off the track, he can only do it twice before receiving a penalty.
If I were Max, I would call it quits after this season, because Formula 1 has gone woke and will thus go broke (if it isn't already?). It has become a sport for Sir Lewis Whine-a-lots, Lando No Winners and King George Snowflakeries. Shaking my head.
Every time max has a poor race you pull out the Dinosaur Damon hill. Just to have a go at max. Guy never gives max a bit of credit. Hill never wants to talk when max has won a race. But can’t get on show quick enough when he can slate max. Usual bitter Damon
People might be having a bit of recency bias, but the rule does need changing. Rules are fine until someone works out a consistant way of bending them which is what Max and RB have done.
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If Horner told me it was raining I would go to the window and check.
If Horner told me to put my house on red, I'd go black.
The guy is a snake oil salesman.
Should be a politician....
I would assume it was sunny and hot.
If Zac Brown told me he was on a diet, I would definitely look for cookies under his pillow.
@@martinlaver007 I'd assume he was answering the question "why are you pissing in my pocket?"
😂😂😂😂
It honestly feels like some kind of embargo has been lifted here. When this was happening in 2021 there was a slight inkling of disapproval from the commentators, notably in Saudi Arabia and Brazil but then a lid was quickly put on it. The ex drivers who kept on banging the drum quickly disappeared from the telly. Fast forward to 2024, Verstappen is at it again and suddenly it's OK to call it out and administer appropriate penalties. Are we watching a sport here or some kind of reality show?
I vote reality show
It really does feel like it
yep, 100%, it seems that people are revisiting 2021 and noticing that Max's driving was totally unacceptable throughout the whole season, and it's back. He was only "mature" when his car is 2 seconds faster than everyone else's. Many of us saw that at the time but the FIA and the commercial interests suppressed the appropriate criticism.
Exactly. The spoiled Dutch driver never matured. He simply lost his fast car and is showing his true driving style and signature move of missing corners and pushing people wide. Especially now that he's got so many points ahead of Norris. He couldn't care less if he crashes out his direct title rival contender, as long as they both don't score a point, Max wins this championship. That's complete lack of character from Max. In 2021 Max won his first title because he lost his cool and couldn't overtake Hamilton cleanly in Italy, so he intentionally crashed Hamilton out of the race. He won his first title in 2021 because Checo was a savage blocking Hamilton at that final race. He won in 2021 because Michael Masi manipulated that final race. Facts.
How do you mean "he's at it again"....? All he did in 21 was legally passed Lewis...? Nothing like last weekend...
Funny, when this happened in 2021 these guys were saying it's just hard racing from Max. Hypocrites.
@rosswildon8917,
Who said that?
Give us an example of who and when.
The minute anyone no matter who is either pushed off or they do the pushing, the commentators jump on it almost acting like the F1 version of footballs VAR!
They literally didn’t
They were all crying and tried to run trial by media during the broadcast and post race shows
its because lewis also had dirty moments like silverstone and monza. this made them kind of like equals in how they were driving. however lando is trying to be as clean as possible yet max is just trying to put him in a wall. also max is much more experienced now and is supposed to be more mature now
@@Thissamuel196 Monza? lol!
@@Thissamuel196 max put himself in the wall with his do or die attitude. its not like lewis run him off the track max literally turned into him.
Damon rubbed his hands for this one 😅
Bro got summoned
Stewards at this race : Tim Mayer (son of McLaren founder Teddy Mayer) and Johnny Herbert (known Verstappen hater, cause wrong passport).
@@Roeland666 Are you saying Max wouldn't have received any penalties this weekend if Tim and Johnny weren't in the stewards room? If so that would plainly be the wrong decisions, Max absolutely deserved penalties this weekend.
@@filmboy18 they are all brainwashed
Sorry you think max shouldn't have got a penalty. Where is your carer ?
@Roeland666 what's your point? The implication of your post is that the penalties were a result of who the stewards were as opposed to reflecting the poor driving and decision making from Max.
Where was "Enough is enough" when Max was doing this to Lewis Hamilton for years?
They didn't want Lewis to win another chip. they wanted another champion and that's it. Look at how they let it all go and even changed the rules to allow MV to win his first chip.
Well back then it was kind of the beginning, so it was dirty but not "enough" yet 😅😅
That's how we got here. This is just more of Masi's mess.
FIA wanted a young champion to please the new young spectators from DTS so they let Red Bull cheat.
@@HUMC5 To me it was worse than that, they fell under pressure yes, but it was a far better scenario for a TV show if you had a new championship winner, on the last lap of a race, than an 8th time of the same old guy ...
Why has it taken 3 YEARS ! EMBARRASSING!
So true brother
Max been in f1 for 8 years pal and he will leave f1 soon enough same as Hamilton fans will leave this sport
@@degeautd40 he won't be missed 🤣😂😂
Corruption!!!. Proven!. End of
Even people who have no idea what F1 stands for or it's rules can clearly see that Max's overly aggressive and reckless driving behavior is out of line. I've shown those many moves, in Austin and Mexico to two of my American friends, who don't follow F1 and they both agreed something needs to be done to keep drivers from pushing other drivers out of the track like Max does every single time he races. Did you see that clean battle between Hamilton and Russell? It was a lot more entertaining to watch. The rules should state clean racing is mandatory. Any overly aggressive move such as pushing another car, or completely missing a corner and or keeping position off track must be penalized. This whole ahead of the apex situation is insane and needs changing.
some people believe more rule makes for a better life, you are well served with the current shift in world order.
It happens every race, pushing someone of the track, but the drama created by Sky sports and those British 'fans". Ridiculous.
The same about the swearing of Charles. Nobody cares. Max was punished. It's hypocrite.
@riancastermans1607 that's complete nonsense to say the drama is because they're British drivers. Max is incapable of racing cleanly. Like Damon Hill said, it's a complete lack of character from Max. Dive bombing to get ahead at the apex to claim a corner whilst completely missing the corner, leaving the track and pushing the other car wide needs to be made illegal. End of story.
Damon knows exactly what it’s like to drive against dirty, but fast drivers. Damon is a 2x champion and MSC is 6x in my book
Exactly. Its like how he said Hamilton is a 7/8 time world champion, we all know what he was thinking.
Good thing your book is irrelevant then
@ we can pretend Benetton wasn’t cheating by retaining a form of outlawed traction control for 94’… in your book Michael deliberately crashing into Damon and taking them both out was okay? Like he later did again in 96’ but was DQS from the season?
Likewise I think Senna should have been DSQ from the 1990 season for smashing into Prost in the last race. But Senna should have won 1989 without the FIA interference. So they keep championship totals the same. Unlike Damon and Michael, as well as Max and Lewis.
@@JasonGemmell good thing your opinion is equally irrelevant
But there's millions of books saying the same thing across the world - You can't burn all the books in your effort to hide the truth.
Horner looked like a fool with his pathetic attempt trying to justify Max actions with the telemtry. Pathetic.
That's what they pay him millions for. To be the shameless defender of his dirty driver.
"the Max and Lewis issues" suggests so much mental equivalence of fault. 2021, recall this was 100% Max driving Lewis off the road without any attempt to make the corner himself, none at all. It wasn't even investigated and no penalty was given.
Partly cuz the rules have changed a bit now and that most people wanted Lewis to lose
Wow, wasn’t that the same year Lewis ran verstappen of the track into the wall in a huge collision.
The double standards are obvious with you Hamilton fans 🙄
Title will be nun and void soon. Or given to lewis.people are speaking. We own and run this SPORT. thats right its a sport!!
@@marcowijbenga7901 He diseded to play the Verstappen game😮
@@marcowijbenga7901Pathetic to be so partisan over this. But whatever turns you on, eh?
I like all the drivers and get equal pleasure when any of them win. Try it, it’s much more pleasant, especially if you’re a militant Max fan. His reign is in jeopardy and I imagine he’ll jump teams sooner than later if red bull don’t improve this season.
Having said all that, I find it hard to like Lance Stroll 😂
Max shades of Micheal Schumacher,Deja vu for Damon😂
Considering Max is a Dirty Racer like Michael. It doesn't surprise me one bit.
@@TheAdnanmajorDamon was the dirty driver, go back and watch 95 to 97.
@@Slipstream_merchant We’ve already watched it 🤷♂️
Why are people excusing shite driving just because it is by their favoured driver? Take your blinkers off, what Max does and keeps doing is not racing FFS!
Please start adding timestamps 🙏🏻
I think max should have got a drive through for the second incident
Agreed. So then he would have no choice but to concede the position to Lando within 3 laps (by driving throug the pits)
All British fans want that. That is very clear. That is why the 'sport' is not a sport anymore.
@@riancastermans1607so cringe. All fans want that. Your nationality shouldn't dictate what you want or not.
@riancastermans1607 not just British fans but all true fans of the sport. Personally I would be happy to see him get a race ban b4 he does some serious damage to someone or even himself
@@Kevin-k6c9n \that tells the whole story.
Stappens driving was dangerous. He should have been shown the black flag. It was deliberate and inexcusable.
Agreed 1000% black flag or a race ban.
Yes, what he did was dangerous driving.
How does it feel to know Lando would never be a world champion
@Justanaccountforthings how does it feel that after this season max will never win a championship ever again.
@@Justanaccountforthings man so upset that max is under pressure to drive cleaner
@@Justanaccountforthings more of a chance than yourself or I.
@@jameshogg601nah. Lando and us all with a zero percent chance of
Basically whenever Max has a main championship rival and doesn’t have the car to beat than on pure pace he drives like this. Latter part of the 2021 season and now this season as well.
indeed, that is racing isnt it? If he doesnt he ends up like checo..
Last race was the perfect example, when Carlos overtook him he defended fairly, but as soon as Lando had a go he was looking to cause and accident to take him out of the race.
Exactly this and just like 2021 he isn’t bothered if they crash each other out because he maintains his lead in the championship. So it’s either you back off or we crash just like 2021 all over again.
Why is this even a topic. F1 pundits have shown to have zero integrity with truck loads of hypocrisy. There was no problem with Max's driving style throughout the "whole" season in 2021, but all of a sudden Max's driving style is a problem and a topic of discussion. Why is that?
Lol if anyone recognises Max's driving it would be Hill. He had the same thing 30 years ago. Maybe not the second penalty
You mean when Hill crashed into Schumacher TWICE in 95. Yeah, Damon was a dirty driver.
Lando would have a fresher memory of Austria Lap 58 or was it 59
The rules need tightening up…again… specifically for Max. His attitude has always been « you try and overtake, we crash, you try to stop me overtaking, we crash ».
That's it. You got it in a nutshell. And stewards should be aware of his attitude problem by now so as to be extra harsh until he finally grows up. He will never be a great champion until he can do it like the great champions, like Alonso and Hamilton.
Same attitude Schumacher and Senna had. And now both of them are the idols of about 90% of the current grid. Lets not pretend he is the first that goes over the limit.
Absolutely Correct, as others said so did Senna and MSC, I believe that tarnished their careers.
@@justlookingaround9834 well, you might believe that, but 99.9% of fans either don't know or care about it. Things like these don't really get remembered. Has been like this forever in many sports and will be the same for Max
This is also showing Horner's character. One would hope that a team principal would acknowledge and seek to address recklessly aggressive behaviour in one of his drivers.
Well, we could say a lot about the character of Horner!
Not really, why would he as the team has benefited so massively over recent seasons from their car being driven in this manner by Max. Until such point as the rules and interpretations of the rules, mandate change in Maxs driving and racecraft, why would you expect any difference. What is clear is that Max and RBR are prepared to roll with the punches.
It’s really down to the FIA to manage their sport. Then it’s down to the teams and drivers to decide how they work with these. Wanna stay clean in limits, unassailable to rulings? Go for it. Wanna push the limits and patience of stewards every race, because of risk/reward? Try it.
I think what everyone is agreeing on is that the latter needs and gets harsher consequences, and is also bringing sport into disrepute for many fans and sponsors.
Every sport needs heroes and villains.
Every boss in F1 does the same.
Jos runs that side of the garage, not Horner.
How else would max win anything without the OP cheat car though.
Plus you have to let maxxy sulk his widdle bwains out
Also not fair: a McLaren guy(Tim Mayer) as a steward….how’s that even possible?
Not fair 😂🤣.it was Tim Mayer’s father (Tom) who helped establish McLaren back in the day, however Tim has nothing to do with McLaren today. But I bet he has drunk the odd Red Bull in his life. Stop crying FFS.
Are people complaining about a Belgium being a Steward, given that MV is 50% Belgium, was born in Belgium and lived in Belgium before moving to Monaco. Grow up.
@ no, but they would complain if Jos Verstappen would be a steward, wouldn’t they? Like Tim is to his father, de McLaren founder…he’s literally family😉
Better to hire people who are not linked to a team/driver…from countries who do not participate…
@ Jos isn’t capable of being a steward. He is wife beater FFS! But sure find stewards for countries who are not participating if it helps you cope. But please make sure they actually have some knowledge of the sport. The funny thing is that the only steward who was present at Austin and Mexico was actually from Belgium - so a countryman of MV. 😂🤣
However a better alternative would be drivers simply sticking to the rules they have agreed to in order that the stewards are not even required. Now there’s a thought. Radical I know, drivers not cheating and therefore the FIA not having to bother.
Doesn’t make a difference 😂, if the decision was wrong they can fight it and it will be changed . But rb knew it was slam dunk and they immediately served it in the pitstop . Checo got in pen in Abu Dhabi for similarly hitting lando off like max here , in this case max dint even let lando keep the position after pushing him off . Second move was a 10 sec anyways regardless of what for forcing another driver off track and overtaking him off track
@@SmoothPhoenix You need to check Derrick Warwick as well who heavily favors max and is a steward too. Too much rocketpoweredmohawk crowd here regurgitating whatever he says
Why didn't Sky F1 call out Verstappen's driving in 2021? Are you going to do a feature that explains why it was "hard racing" then but too much now? Max has always driven the same way. Why has Sky F1 changed its view of it?
Jonnie Herbert did, and got sent into the wilderness.
@@justlookingaround9834 Good point.
Show me where Max's driving in 21 was even similar to last weekend?
@@alandougans2343 No. You either know and can admit that things were wrong in that season or you can't. I'll leave you to it.
45 minute video for a 3 second answer ,
Yes
3 letter*
follow me and cameron lol
😂😂😂@@BLADE_RISE
No, is shorter
no 43 minute to start with, but there was more topics in this video than just the question and answer to Max and Lando issue.
I'm convinced that the two stewards Johnny Herbert, former Sky F1 pundit, and Tim Mayer, the son of the late McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer, was 100 % impartial 😎
I've been moving to the position that more drivers need to stop rolling over for Max and drive exactly how he does. "YOU lift or we crash" has brought him to where he is and there are millions who love his passion and aggression - just like millions still pretend Senna and Schumacher weren't prepared to do the same or even worse.
I feel the same, it would probably mean several dnfs, but maybe the message "we won't be intimidated" might get across.
@@paulf9487 we're basically watching a Stock Car driving approach to F1 developing in front of our eyes.
So you like bumper cars.
But this is professional racing.
Bumper cars might be more your speed though.
And don’t forget Hamilton in silverstone
@@adamozmin8970 why don’t you go watch that again. Or as many times as it takes to see what happened.
Max crashed again. Lewis doesn’t crash unless max is there. Wherever max is, there’s a crash.
I have no respect for horner after his comments about lewis a year or so ago....he makes me laugh saying we need clarity on racing and racing lines....its like he wants one rule for max and one for the rest of the drivers...i mean horner sain in the past thats not an overtaking corner and the next breath if their is a chance or a gap max will go for it ffs....CLARITY.....its racing and overtake where you can i my opinion but also keep to the track and safe...
TeamLH alert
@ua697 facts and im a bottas fan thnx 😂
It boils down to Max doesn't give a tinkers cuss if he gets someone seriously hurt with his antics.
yep, Verstappen cares about nobody but himself, selfish spoiled and like Damon says, Red Bull are not managing or helping him develop as a sportsman by always making excuses for him - literally whatever he does.
You mean Lewis who celebrated soon after. Remorseless chap this Lois.
@@Dabloo2-rl3cd rent free GOAT in your head!
Max put himself off at copse with yet more dangerous driving
@@Dabloo2-rl3cd Why are you living in the past?
@@Dabloo2-rl3cdLewis lives in every MV fans head rent free!
I think the regulations of F1 need to be changed to a simple solution, Force a driver off the track and its proven you could have raced fairly and not pushed them off. 10 sec stop go. Its the only answer to it. These lunges without giving the position back immediately, not 2 laps later. should be implemented. This way max knows if he drives this way his race is over. Also it will deter other drivers from doing it. Also Lose DRS, make the cars as small as the 2010 spec cars. Then we got room to race.
Horner is doing exactly the same thing McLaren did after Austin. Making all kinds of spreadsheets 😄. Mclaren has been working on the case against Max all week. And it worked. Because otherwise Max would never have received a 10sec penalty for the turn 4 incident.
They should do like in football, 3 red cards and you miss a game. 3 strikes and you miss a race, that will stop people getting ran off track etc.
Carlos Sainz will help Williams become a top F1 team. His experience will enable Williams to develop their cars quickly and more efficiently. Williams knows Sainz in a top tier F1 driver. I foresee Sainz on the podium again in a Williams in the near future. Don't forget that Franco Colapinto putting in laps at the Mexico Grand Prix that were equal to the race leaders. Imagine where that car might finish in qualifying and in the races in Sainz' hands?
At least Max isn't friends with P Diddy like lewis.
Max has no real friends.
@@chriscollins550 just like you. Butt Max doesn't care
@@harrydrees9714 why are you randomly dragging Lewis’ name in this debate, obsessed much?!
@@harrydrees9714 yet I'm hated less around the world. Even with one friend I still have less people hating me. Think about what you say.
@@siphelele87 Do you like baby oil to? Just like lewis and Diddy?
Come on Hill, you can never expect RB to critisise Max, it didnt happen in your day, and it doesn't happen now!
True. Not publicly anyway, but I think Hill's points is behind closed doors he would expect Horner to sort it, which he clearly hasn't.
I'd like to see Max playing musical chairs against a handful of 7 years old. I'm sure you'll see tears.
He would win.
He would cheat 😹
Multiple 7 year olds being barged off chairs.
Might be a good idea for Sir Jackey Stewart to do a stern interview with Max like he did with Senna.
Damion Hill Lewis 8 time world champion dude still crying still having sleepless night 😂😂 people like him Adrian talk about bias
@@Islandboy1718 lol indeed
8?
Lewis by rights is a 8 time world champion. But tell me one season that max has won a championship without redbull been found cheating or without controversy. Max will always be membered by real F1 fan's as a paper champion.
@@chriscollins550 He probably does wear tights aye
@@HectorBrocklebankHBFash 😆
Forget this.
Leclerc swore in the official FIA press conference.
He now needs to be penalised for it just like Verstappen.
You cant have one rule for one and not the other!
Damon did not do karting, a major disadvantage, in terms of racecraft.
Re: Damon's Senna comments, he had to drive that way against Prost, since the head of the head of the governing body Jean Marie-Balestre was blatantly on Prost's side.
Max is maximising the rules and also targeting his rival Lando, it is working. The rules are wrong. Professional full time stewards are definitely needed.
Are all 3 presenter's not aware that Max copies Schumacher's method of making the car very loose, too loose for their team mate ? Albon clearly explained this already. Herbert would know all about it !
Allow me to remind you all of Silverstone 2021. Hamilton did receive a 10-second penalty, and the stewards ruled him at fault. However, there was one significant difference: Hamilton forced an opponent off the track, resulting in a 51G crash-a moment that was not only celebrated after the race but even featured in a Sky F1 Christmas promo. What Max did in the recent races was indeed wrong, particularly his second move. There are no excuses, and the 10-second penalty was entirely justified. However, Max did not force Lando off the track into a potentially life-threatening 51G crash involving a title contender. Let's hope we never see such dangerous incidents again.
yep
Sky f1 podcast sponsored by Mclaren???
Wtf!!!
Horner said if you squint and look really hard you can see it's not Max's fault😂😂😂
Max is only a good driver if he's in front of everyone else if he's in the pack he's dangerous and reckless.
Max reminds me of Michael Schumacher
You mean having a real champions mentality where you need to be ruthless to win titles? That I can agree with
@@alexpeak16or charging people off track because you can’t handle coming second so you have to break the rules to save your fragile ego from taking a knock.
Max is worse because of his consistency in this poor behaviour and has no remorse or respect for his competitors even when proven guilty.
He’s not that measured and consistently calm. Not in MS league imho.
@@ssimonoxenham5066 you mean someone who cheated so much he will never be the GOAT? Yeah I can see that
Damon is right. If everyone raced like Max, you’d never see a single overtake.
Overtaking is supposed to be hard
Senna and Schumacher did the same 🤷♂️
what bs. So why is it that Max and anyone else can make overtakes. Its Lando that cant overtake!
@@dominic_t. But Senna and Schumacher were great. If you're going to compare Crashtappen to someone it should be maldanado and Pedro Diniz.
@@zt2max oh the weeper has arrived and started to poop as well, i like it.
Max seems to want to win at all costs but has also said winning a championship won't change his life. What are the odds of Lando and Max NOT coming together on track before season end ?!?!
Damon has an Ego Wall 😂
Or a wall of happy memories like many people. Don’t be a nob.
💯
I don’t have a wall like that because I’ve not been an F1 champion 😅
Fair play to him 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🏆
And what a wall it is.
Achievement wall*
He is a world champion.
Yes the penalties were fair. When Max drives like this, he is dangerous, I would go even further if I were the FIA. I would put Max on a warning that would be if he causes another driver to drop out the race Max would be deducted 50 pounds from this seasons total. As Max knows that if both he and Lando don't finish a race Max benefits, theoretically Max could force them both off the track for the rest of the season and still be world champion, so there needs to be punitive measures in place to discourage this, Lando has to live with that fear every time he tries to overtake Max.
Bring back gravel traps...if yer off, yer out!!
I'm joking!!.....sort of.😂
Nah lets build walls, make every track like a street circuit, that way Max can force people to their doom and escape relatively unpunished
The man is still talking about Schumacher
Thats how badly burnt these Brits get. Watch Lois whine about AD21 for eternity.
Well it's the right moment to speak about it, Schumacher was some dirty driver himself ...
@ His extreme max opinion is based on his problems with Schumacher. Maybe you like senna? Watch back Susuka 1990. Murray Walker thought it was ‘fantastic’.
Horner is delusional and max lacks integrity
Luck of integrity funny ha , that’s hard racing lol
So horner has integrity?
So does your Mom
What is not fair, that a son of the founder of McLaren and Johnny Herbert are stewards. And the mini DRS.
These hypocrites hyperfocus on Max to the exclusion of everybody else. When Max is gone what will they do? Stop watching F1 is most likely, since there is no more dopamine from the drama.
@@Selendeki What are you talking about redbull literally hid adjustable components and the FIA okayed it...
Forgetting about the cost cap are we (red bull have been left off to much by the FIA)
founder of McLaren is Bruce McLaren, founder of McLaren group is Ron Dennis. Neither of which are Mayer.
@@Selendeki news flash F1 existed before max and it was far more exciting
Easy way to control this nonsense. 1) bring back live grass and gravel trap-type runoffs, and 2) Make the cars a bit more fragile in the front and rear suspension components just like they used TO BE. The era where we had grass, gravel, and more fragile cars meant that drivers weren't taking crazy risks on overtaking on the outside of corners where historically speaking it was impossible to put one's self in that type of a risky position. I used to race karts and formula ford. I wouldnt dream of putting myself on the outside of a driver in a corner for the risk of being driven off into a gravel trap, onto slippery grass, or even losing a front wishbone. All these tarmac runoffs are making the risk taking non existent to a point. We couldn't put ourselves into a position whereby the driver we were trying to overtake would have to give us space all of a sudden on the outside knowing that they then can't take their natural race line sweeping from the inside to the outside.
Damon spoke about Ayrton senna in Suzuka against Prost. The pole position was moved off the racing line to accommodate Prost, which ayrton knew to be unfair and did the right thing.
...not forgetting Schumacher's tactics in that look back at how drivers used to defend. And Vettel come to think of it.
You mean how Lewis Hamilton used to defend? Particularly against Rosberg which is to punt a car off the track. 😂
@@paperplane-db8qf or against Albon when he was in the Red Bull
@@stu4635
Did you know Lewis apologised for that. Max has never admitted or Apologised when he's Wrong. Takes a Big Man to Apologise for any Wrong Doings!
None of the other hard racers have ever been over line as much as Max is by default, much more subtle about pushing the boundaries. And when they get it wrong they actually own up rather than throw blame at everyone else...
@markwalton8644 True but Lewis did it more than once to Alex.
Oops, sorry. Once, I'd take that. Twice, nah.
please damon, dont come to brazil, max might win
Not if he’s changing his motor.
I agree with Damon about driver stewards, former drivers like Nico Rosberg, Martin Brandle and Jenson Button are honest enough to be stewards.
We all understand teams and drivers pushing right up to the limits, but Max goes so far beyond what everyone else deems acceptable that he cant be allowed to continue unchecked. It all stems from Christian and Helmut not holding him to very high standards of driving or sportsmanship. Its like they are scared to pull him up. Obviously his father is only making things worse, so it's up to the FIA. Enough is enough. Even the local go kart track would hold patrons more accountable for their driving than the FIA are doing with Max.
This issue isn't complex at all. The issues arise from the attempt to satisfy everyone and ensure their happiness with any changes. The solution is straightforward: alter the rules to prevent such occurrences and let the drivers handle the rest on the track. If another car is beside you going into a corner, you must leave a car's width to allow them to remain on track. If either driver veers off the track, they should be penalized. It's as simple as that. It's puzzling why common sense doesn't prevail. Leaving it to the drivers only results in chaos, as we've seen with cars obstructing each other during qualifying earlier in the season, despite agreements between them. For a sport as advanced as Formula 1, it's absurd that we're constantly discussing basic rules.
Absolutely
Damon Hill stands for fair racing, that was cheaky, Lewis. Ha ha ha.
I wonder what he would say if max did the same "cheaky" move.
Yes Horner Gaslighting what we could actually see on the onboard of Norris.
Does anyone realize that Max got his second 10-second penalty on lap 20 and did not enter the pits until lap 27? By that time, Sainz had built up a 15-second lead. If Max had gone into the pits within 2 laps of receiving his penalty like other drivers normally do, Lando more than likely would have won because Sainz would have only been about 6 or 7 seconds ahead. Max should have received a BLACK FLAG for not entering the pits in an appropriate time after receiving his penalty. That cost Lando the victory.
It was a penalty which is served at a pit stop or deducted from time if you don't stop again.
I have no respect for these sky f1. They never have the integrity nor the professionalism
What abiut Ricciardo coming back to redbull for these last feew races or next year. Perhaps thats why there wasnt any fanfare with him leaving? Wishful thinking but maybe he could at least do some post racing trials in comparison to Yuki?
Red Bull needs to approach Williams about hiring Carlos Sainz. It would be an elegant solution to the second seat at Red Bull and Williams can keep Franco Colapinto. Also, Carlos Slim has said he will not be sponsoring Red Bull due to AT&T signing on as a major sponsor; he doesn't see any advantage competing sponsorships. He has indicated an interest in sponsoring Franco. Win-win across the board.
Max would not of got away with any of this with Charlie
Literally did in 2016
Charlie who?
@@kelletman stop watching F1 if you don’t know who Charlie is
Damon who..?
I think Charles will be world champion few years he is fast but just needs consistency
This year he is the most consistency one behind Max
Good to hear that Damon will be there if Brazil with Sky. Hopefully they do not use Danica Patrick again
Or Princess Pinkham.
Out of the two, at least Patrick was a racer and does know most/some orf what shes talking about, Princess Pinkham simply doesnt and what she does state is someone elses thoughts.
Good thing you mention Senna, because Everyone says how great he was and how much they love him. But he was as aggressive as Max. Max is just Senna and Schumacher combined in one person.
Senna and Schumacher could also race though.
Damon was right Matt, it's 8!!! The FIA themselves admitted 2021 was a screw up.
totally agreey
Lol 7 / 6 world titles. Ask Massa
If he keeps telling the truth he won't be allowed on sky
Wipe your tears…
Do the stewards have to be at the race? Why not have them centralised at F1 HQ and away from the pressure on the grid? All they need is the tv streams and comms.
Because they don't just over see the race. They have a lot off other jobs to do.
Not silly driving by Max - its intent was to be aggressively dangerous. Max couldn’t even give room on the first corner on the start, again.
Go watch ballet
Love all these whining Brits. Never seen Schumacher and Senna. 😂
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Max in a Minardi in late 90's wouldve been comedy gold... Imagine him not letting anyone passed just because his car was slower
When Damian struggles to support the judges, then you have an issue.
The stewards are not consistent from race to race.
They have become an issue, not a solution if you change the advisers every week, you get different responses.
That's the same in all European sports. Don't get the same referee's in football.
Clear
First penalty was harsh. Second one was correct.
@@DonalMartinplus First penalty was correct, second was unduly lenient.
@@HectorBrocklebankHBFash 5 seconds for the first one would have been in line with what they were giving out last week. The problem is inconsistency.
Thats correct
No it wasn't harsh. It was the soft choice they had out of the one's they could of picked.
@@DonalMartinplusLando was only given a 5 second penalty because max forced Lando of the track. Otherwise they was going to give Lando a ten seconds penalty. Maybe if max didn't go around forcing people off track then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
To clarify if it should have been a 5 or 10 second penalty since Lando got 5 seconds in Austin, in the verdict of Austin, the stewards specify that usually it is a 10 second penalty according to the guidelines but they took into consideration that Max went off the track as well, hence the reduction of 5 seconds
Damon spot on as always. He's also been on the receiving end of it. Never forget the Oz Gp when Schumi drove him off the road and won the WC. The other drivers in F1 aren't persistent offenders. Even Checo learnt (vs Button).
Well, do you need 43.16 in this video to say yes it was very much fair. If not, a drive-through would be better...
This is not real F1 these are Formula E plus cars at best. They don’t let them race. I’ve been watching real F 1 since Dijon 1979. Real drivers like Senna Gilles Prost Brundle Mandela Piquet Berger laugh at these crybabies this is called racing they need to rub tires these is fake F 1 lol c’mon
I would love to hear this Matt Baker introduce himself as "Hi my name's Matt Baker; no not that one......!" 😂
24:42
"I have it printed out"
- Toto Wolf 2022
I think Damon described the stewarts' dilemma quite accurately. And even as a Max fan, I think that the second incident with Lando was just stupid. Why RB didn't insist that Max gave the place back thus avoiding at least one penalty, was beyond me. Everyone could see that a penalty was imminent.
Lando really had to recover from that 50g impact. Could Sky ask him how he recovered so quick?
Horner:
“And I think the way the regulations or the guidelines have evolved is encouraging the driver to have his nose ahead at the apex, *IRRELEVANT* of whether you’re gonna make the corner.”
Any doubts of what are the Max objectives and methods? He didn’t care at all leaving the door open for LEC in COTA, SAI almost passed him as well and in Mexico he almost took LEC’s car.
Max got more than a 5 second penalty in Saudi in 2021, what’s this guy on about?
no they were not fair --- Max should have been black flaged . Max needs a race ban or two.
Agreed, one was fair enough, the other should have been an instant black flag and at least 6 points if not a ban which would have taken him to at least 10 points.
Cars are safer now but no crash is guaranteed to be non fatal and his move amounted to an attempted deliberate crash
Absolutely
@@HectorBrocklebankHBFash I've read plenty of people defend Max: even Martin Brundle and Peter Windsor did their best to gloss that driving over. Jos Verstappen meanwhile has criticised the stewards instead for unfairness.
This halfway house isn't working - all the drivers should drive like Max. We may end up with 3-4 cars finishing the Grand Prix but if that is what "fans" and experts are clamouring for, the drivers should give it to them and rules be damned.
@@fablewalls Jos verstappen should be barred and deplatformed. Name another sport where a mouthpiece parent is so enabled by the press?
A race ban is completely ridiculous. Max deserved a drive through at most.
Idk how you can say Max deserves a race ban when Lewis only got a 10s penalty for Silverstone 2021 which actually sent a driver to the hospital
Biased take as usual.
Everyone talks about regulations, regulations, regulations. But no can come up with a clear and simple rule.
@randalladams,
The rules and regulations dont need changing.
Its the people applying the rules and regulations and handed out the penalties that get it wrong almost all of the time.
Thats where the problem is.
The head steward is ultimately in charge.
Warwick was in overall charge in Austin, he didn't direct the stewards correctly, they didn'y apply the rules and regulations correctly.
Herbert was in overall charge in Mexico, he directed the stewrds correctly.
@@bsrbck You mean Herbert who openly said he wants Lando and McLaren to win and Mayer the son of the co-founder of McLaren? Yes they are absolutely unbiased… This alone is already very questionable why they are assigned as stewards when the battle is getting closer. Maybe F1 is trying to force a ‘21 situation again?
100% Fair,It’s good to see the Stewards finally doing their job Correctly,but rules do need to change to stop this dangerous behaviour in future.
Let me guess you’re a Lando fan girl. Any ways Lando will never be a world champion 😂
@@Justanaccountforthingsshut up you melt
@@Justanaccountforthingsthere’s a reason why you have very few likes,has the penny dropped yet?
In Austin, Lando should have let Max back though (clearly not allowed to overtake off the track), Max should have got a track limit strike for leaving the track (and Lando shouldn't as he was run off).
In Mexico, Lando brilliantly played Max at his own game and beat him to the apex. Max gets there second, pushes him off and gets his penalty. Then Max gets the red mist and purposely drives them both off track... a clear 2nd penalty (possibly a drive through!).
The current rules can work. If Max gets track limits strikes when he's first to the apex and runs off the track, he can only do it twice before receiving a penalty.
If I were Max, I would call it quits after this season, because Formula 1 has gone woke and will thus go broke (if it isn't already?). It has become a sport for Sir Lewis Whine-a-lots, Lando No Winners and King George Snowflakeries. Shaking my head.
Sky sports needs to get of the max bashing train! Getting boring now
It's the whole of motorsports fans that are bashing max, that's why sky is covering it. Max needs to stop cheating, that's what's really boring.
I agree with the statement, the more regulations you put in, the more loopholes you create. That's Formula 1.
Every time max has a poor race you pull out the Dinosaur Damon hill. Just to have a go at max. Guy never gives max a bit of credit.
Hill never wants to talk when max has won a race. But can’t get on show quick enough when he can slate max.
Usual bitter Damon
Yes but more because Damon be on brasil gp
A driver further down the grid gets banned for what happened at turn 7.
Who ? Care to mention ?
Like a Magnuson who got penalty points and a ban for Monza
@@minimead368 Kmag rached 12 penalty points that why race ban. Max hasnt even reached 8pts yets
The problem with Sainz. is he's so inconsistent it's just insane. I think he's a good driver but it's unquestionable that Sean is a better driver.
Correct Damon, Lewis 8 world championships.
Im shocked he snuck that one in there haA
People might be having a bit of recency bias, but the rule does need changing. Rules are fine until someone works out a consistant way of bending them which is what Max and RB have done.