It would have been far more educational and interesting if Bleksley hadn’t spent 70% of the time voicing his own, ill-informed opinion. In the meantime, and as a retired Essex Police detective (I served after Bamber had been imprisoned), I personally know several of those officers involved in the Bamber case and I would not trust at least three of them one single inch. I know them to have lied, prevaricated, victimised and attempted (at least) to hide evidence. One of the ones who became senior to me put huge pressure on me to omit certain facts from a statement and to charge a man with a much lesser offence than that for which he had been arrested (abducting a child under the age of fourteen.) Some might say that the police case was bungled; I would go one further and say that it was deliberately skewed, to the detriment of the defendant.
@@lucymooch5821 - I’m really sorry to hear that but I don’t doubt what you say. Likewise, I would like you to accept that there are some really good and dedicated people in ‘the Job’ who would put their lives on the line for the public whom they serve. I was always in trouble for saying that my loyalty to Essex Police was zero, but my loyalty to the people of Essex was 100%. That doesn’t mitigate your experiences however and I’m so sorry that your perception of the police, based upon how you have been treated, has been so awful.
Its the same all over, one bad apple doesnt ............ and in such institutions/organisations etc they do protect each other but eventually the truth comes out. No, not all policeman are bad. @@charlescadwallader6106
@@charlescadwallader6106 Sir, I have absolutely NO doubt that not all the apples in the barrel are rotten. And I am certain that you gave your utmost because you tell me so, many Police officers put their lives and their families lives on the line everyday, but this is not rising damp, where the rot comes from the bottom up. This corruption and bad practices of which many are illegal in many police forces comes from the top down, more akin to acid rain.
Jo's opinion is irrelevant. Even if Bamber is a narcissist ot even a psychopath, that doesnt mean that the conviction isnt unsafe. The bar for guilt is very high, if evidence was witheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubts then the conviction is unsafe and a re trial is required. For the CCRB to be even considering this, there must be new evidence that could undermine the conviction.
@@mortuaryartistcorrect i remember people like her sledging Stefan Kiszco's appeal. They were silent when Stefan was proven innocent and Ronald Castree went free for 30 years
+ she's no better than an average witch hunter. Facts about crime circumstances? Naaaah, better let's pay attention to juicy rumours about animal slaughtering, created by unspecified sources. Besides the guy is a narcissist because he killed his family because he's a narcissist.
Totally agree Jo's evidence is not only irrelevant, but all of her information is only based on gossip or hearsay. The phone logs alone throw serious doubt on Jeremy's conviction.
That 'Behavioural Psychologist' has clearly just been called in to fill a seat. Every answer is vague, conjecture or generalising - nothing directly related to the case. She says "99.9% of killers will continue to protest innocence". Where is she getting this statistic? Pretty sure it's completely made up in her head. Or how about "they will convince themselves they're innocent." Who is she talking about? General killers??? I feel like I know more about killer's minds from watching Manhunter! Amazing how the host and the 'expert' can just completely blank out facts like the police notebooks saying there was a female body in the kitchen (that was then magically transported upstairs). So those 2 officers were wrong? Did they just imagine a woman on the floor and note that down for fun?
I felt exactly the same watching this. She didn’t appear to know anything about the case. How many murderers has she interviewed to come to her conclusions?
Yes, it’s a well known psychological trait and learned behaviour , for psychologists to immediately jump to their own often generalizations and old generic research answers to explain people . I wonder if there is any research on psychologists always explaining things away with psychology?
She criticises JB for not showing remorse. This is illogical and a circular argument. If he is innocent, he would not show remorse (for something he hadn't done).
BPD : otherwise known as an over active imagination and / or attention seeking device . Similar to ADHD and other self diagnosed neuro diverse conditions.
The 'Behavioural Psychologist' (who has never met Bamber) says his actions are typical of a narcissistic personality disorder but completely ignores the fact they are EXACTLY the actions of a completely innocent person!! Apparently protesting your innocents is proof you are guilty, in her head!! No wonder there are appalling miscarriages of justice when this kind of 'expert' is allowed to interfere in the justice system!!
I don't think she had any role in the actual case, the trial or any of the sub sequent appeals. So in what way is she interfering in the justice system? She may be commenting about a case in which she dos not know the actors....but then aren't all of us who are posting a comment?
@@miacat1727 She is NOT a registered psychologist. with the governing body in the UK. My cat could could herself a behavioural psychologist if she so wanted to
Who moved into White House Farm once Bamber was caught convicted? Who found the mysterious sound moderator and gave it to the police? Who was jealous of the adopted children who stood to inherit the family estate?
@@davepenton4137In a different part of the house, the boys room is locked of, it has pics of the family ,a shrine to them all, they are a lovely family
@@silverfern8970 good point narcissists can get people to believe.but incy wincy problem there bamber didn't kill his family. There is not one shred of evidence in fact all the evidence as been. Debunked over and over again. And all the other evidence that as come out since. Bamber shouldn't have a new trial he should be let straight out. There is so much evidence in his favour he could be acquitted multiple times over. And that's without the rest of the evidence the cps won't hand over
The man on the left said Sheila was alive in the kitchen and when the cops broke in she ran upstairs to shoot herself. Did I hear that correctly? He also said no silencer was used so surely 40 cops outside would have heard a gunshot if, as he said, she ran upstairs to shoot herself.
What he said was true, you didn't misunderstand. The police did hear a noise but you have to remember this was not a shotgun, but a relatively low powered rifle. The evidence is their to back this up.
If no silencer was used and Sheila was walking around the house eventually shooting herself in the bedroom, was a gunshot not heard by everyone stood outside?
The gun shot is only as loud as a clap, so no they wouldn't hear it outside. Plus when the firearms team entered one of them reported hearing a sound and raced up the stairs calling for Sheila to make herself known.
That, if I may say so, is THE POINT. Fireworks outside a house can be heard from inside. Hence the inverse situation would be true, and of a gunshot also. If the silencer is offered up in mitigation, then the question arises as to how Sheila could have removed and hidden it after her death. As to movement inside the house, of curtains and/or someone switching lights on and off while Bamber was outside with police, was the front door the only point of entry, and was Bamber interacting with every police officer present?
@ user- xv9yc4wb2x Didn't Bamber brag to his then girl friend how he could enter and exit the house by means of a window which could be secretly opened and leave no trace. Very sloppy police investigation all round. Bamber was the only person to benefit if the others were dead. Guilty as charged in my opinion- and that of thousands of others.
@@dougchance8891👍 Spot on. Note the question about Bamber killing animals was sidelined by the male guests. The girlfriend provided the window evidence & gave much more. The only person who stood to gain anything from this slaughter, is behind bars & should remain there.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Everything she has said is the same rhetoric you hear from any of the guilty brigade. She didn't even make up her own lies, just used others which made her look very unprofessional.
@@nickyrowley3374 if you are going to diagnose someone with some personality issue the least you can do is to go and see them in person not just spout something you read in a book. Yes he acted a big strange after it all happened went stupid spending money but he had just lost his Mother, Father, 2 nephews and his sister not to sure how Ai would have behaved if my entire family was wiped out and I thought my sister was responsible. Some of the evidence I seem to remember can from his ex girlfriend. I think the whole case should be reviewed, police make mistakes Timothy John Evans, Barry George, Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, Winston Silcott, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark, There were a number of women found guilty of killing their babies by shaken death injuries, turned out the main Doctor expert testimony was all lies. That’s just a few there are probably many more, mistakes happen
I can't help but believe that this TV psychologist thinks that she is better positioned to analyse someone she's never met than the professionals who actually DO interview people in prisons regularly 🤔
We see. So many psychologists who dismiss people and the things they have said because their academic research says people do so and so .its also usually the research dont by others thirty years ago in a certain context that they seem will8ng to apply to every scenario . They seem to use the same psychological evidences for a multiple of things and people. As if because we are one species we all succumb to the same faults and behaviours when we know just from history how thing and people are never what we assume .if we apply generalizations however they may seem to answer questions , then we surely cause possible misrepresentations and great errors. I often wonder how many psychologists who have dismissed people who say they’ve seen a UFO , as misperceptions and hysteria etc , but now we have so many cameras on phones , how these hysterics have now suddenly disappeared , how do psychologists explain their willingness to diagnose people before ? Has hysteria suddenly been cured thst they seem to have stopped with their quick explanations of people’s claims ? Perhaps it’s a psychological trait to jump to easy dismissals with psychology, do they have research on themselves I wonder ? I hope I’ve made sense !
@@saudade369 it's not just psychologists either I have a newly married friend in hospital right now after being told by his GP/MD that the symptoms he is experiencing are entirely due to sudden depression even though, to me, a layman, they are obviously not Turns out he has bleeding on the brain and that if it was left untreated it could be fatal
The call log at 3:26 says under the highlighted part that the message was passed to cd by the son after the phone went dead. Little wonder ‘new evidence’ is not accepted by the courts.
SNP politician shot himself twice in the head...then ran down to the loch,to dispose of the gun,before returning to his car to die...always be wary of 'experts' with an agenda?
@abdell75roussos your wrong on that. It was her testimony, that he was convicted on. She had a big incentive to lie, she has to keep up this lie, otherwise she could go to jail.
Of course I don’t know for certain if Bamber is innocent, but I do remember at the time of the trial, thinking that something was off & didn’t seem right. At the very least, if there’s a chance that he’s innocent, the case should be reviewed. Imagine sitting in prison for 38 years if you’re not guilty 😢
@@anyawaleofondo Was that reply for me? I’m wide awake thanks - and at least I can keep an open mind about this. Do you know how many people get stuck in prison for crimes they didn’t actually commit?
@@pamelacuthbert1722 Dear Pamela, the case WAS reviewed. Look up "Bamber Appeal report 2002" online. It's 150 pages of close detail proving that Bamber is guilty.
If no silencer was used, why was it not simply reported that Sheila ‘ran upstairs’ and shot herself, and by that the police all would have heard without a doubt the gunshot? If that all happened, why would the police need to blame anyone else?
He wants to attribute this slaughter to a girl using a gun multiple times without a silencer? He fucked up. Back in the day times were not recorded with precision. Even his bird grassed him up.
New evidence has come to light? I am so fed up of hearing those words. I thought a police officer saw someone lurking in the dark outside the farm? Has anyone bothered to investigate instead of blaming an innocent woman?
Complete nonsense. Sheila Cafell had no history of violence, was known to detest firearms, had no indication on her body that ahe had either loaded or fired a gun that evening - no blood or gsr despite the close range of the shots - was taking her medication, and adored her children. It has been conclusively proven that Sheila Cafell did NOT commit the murders. And the only person who claims she did is Bamber himself. Try actually reading ALL the evidence. The only reason for the issues relating to the crime scene was Bamber himself misdirecting the police before the bodies were even discovered.
The police took a lot of the evidence including the furniture from the bedroom and allowed it to be put in a pile and be burnt, and why accept the first call from the father, but ignore that JB was outside the farmhouse when police saw someone moving around in the house, not to mention the ‘relatives’ finding the mark on the fireplace…how convenient
All bullshit. No call from Nevill. When police arrived they asked why Nevill didn't ring the police. It was a trick of the light Bamber accepted this at trial
Police didn't see anyone moving around inside the house....It was Bamber who told them he had seen someone at a window and put the idea into their heads to start the whole 'seige' scenario and that Sheila had done it.
@starryian007 Another little known fact is this. When J rang police about the 'phone call he had received from N(I doubt there was a 'phone call N was already dead)..... J arranged to meet the police at the scene as he had keys and knowledge of the buildings. However...J was seen by a local driving very very slowly from his home to the scene(3 miles), this was notable because J was known locally as a tearaway driver(Police drove his route and it was clear he had driven painfully slowly). J made sure he arrived at the scene AFTER the Police to keep his 'Alibi'. He then misled them that he had seen movement in a window. This was to delay entry to make forensics more difficult(which it did). The two log reports have been covered by the people who wrote them, There was only one 'phone call, from J, The two authors have covered the 10 minute discrepancy as different clocks/watches when the message was handed over. J did it. He's smart, but not smart enough.
To be fair J Bamber DID have a smirk on his face on a couple of occasions ,one was if I remember rightly was at the funeral. Doesn't prove guilt but wonder why he showed this callousness .
16:05 you have to be careful with psychologists. She listed some traits, Charming Articulate Puts his case forward. In her head and world that = narcissist/psychopath Because these people are determined to detect these things. The problem is anyone who presents well, and talks well can fall into these categories. The traits and definitions of these groups is so broad you can fit almost anyone into these categories. I do presentations verbally, I use humour to relax people. And ask the audience questions to keep them engaged. I’m articulate, I use different types of language depending on the audience, or the point I’m trying to make. It’s my job, I’m not a narc, but 2 hours in a room with this lady and you’re 80% likely to be labelled one or something else.
I am so glad hanging was abolished in 1951 an innocent Somali man named mamood Hassan 13:49ers hung here in Cardiff and many years later was proved innocent he couldn’t even speak English he left a wife and three children look up on the internet
It's prison officers opinion who have looked after him all these years that I would be interested in I mean staff with years of experience not younger staff.
PM of sheila showed she died from a gs to the head. So she ran up the stairs with a fatal gs, or she ran upstairs and shot herself but the police didn’t hear it. Yup.
You need to look more closely at the evidence that is now available. She was shot a 2nd time, the fatal shot, by bumbling firearms police when they broke in to the farm. You just believe what the media says, when they are know liars. The paperwork revealed in 2002 proves all of the police case was LIES.
This has been goin on for years. Its obvious he was set up & left to rot in prison because of Police incompetence & corruption. This man has lost his family & his whole life has been made to suffer.
@@steveblundell7766 I have to be honest and say I know very little of this case so I'm not in a position to confer guilt or innocence. It's just a principle that I adhere to for humanitarian reasons. (And I'm not a whooly liberal).
The Eatons and the Bouflowers had motive to manipulate evidence so as to take over the white house farm, which is what they have done. Screams injustice and unsafe evidence.
This is one that has never sat well with me. For a conviction it needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and there is plenty of reasonable doubt on this one!!!
Sheila or Bamber did this. Sheila was forensically ruled out. It was proved in court that June was forensically more soiled with blood + other fluids than Sheila. Sheila did nothing.
11:20 - this is a log of JB's call to the cops NOT his fathers...🙄 is there anyone who has any links for any documents supporting phone calls made to the police or anyone FROM the farmhouse at any time in a 24 hour period around the murders, please? Thanks in advance
It's very unlikely that Julie Mugford would have perjured herself to the extent of sending Bamber to prison for life merely for being jilted. And if Bamber, who numerous people said he hated his adoptive parents, had said what she claimed about intending to murder them and implying the deed was done on the day of the murders, then we can be very sure he's guilty. He had motive means and opportunity and no alibi. The idea that Neville could not have disarmed Sheila in a struggle is preposterous. Bamber's pretended grief at the funeral was evidenced by his partying afterwards. Those who say he is innocent are unbelievably naive.
@starryian007 No, he's not. And there is no evidence of his guilt. Otherwise the police would have used it at his trial, instead of manufacturing a load of bs with the help of the family, who couldn't wait to get their greedy mits on all the loot. Hope you're never on a jury.
@@verairemonger1260 how's he not guilty? How did Sheila shoot herself then put the moderator away? Sheila was shot either sitting up or standing up. Have you seen her CS photos? Did Bamber call nevill? No. Stop making up stories.
The supposed call log shown at 11:20 is actually an internal police communication relaying the information from Jeremy's call. They know this, but they're still trying to pass it off as a call log.
Jo who, knows absolutely diddly squat about any of this or JB . I treat all Psychologists as guessers like Gypsy lady with the tea leaves. But somewhere the truth is going to be stranger than anyone could believe if it ever comes out. JB at the funeral was oscar winning though.
The police weren't looking for a silencer/moderator because the senior detective in charge, having seen the bare rifle on SC's body, instantly decided that it was an open and shut case of four murders and a suicide. Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, found the moderator, not his uncle.
That psychologist is proving the point of reasonable doubt with her professional bias, she's clearly written her script and isn't deviating from it. She hasn't met him, she's not had access to psychological evaluation by a number of psychology and psychiatry professors who have evaluated Bamber over the decades he's been incarcerated, but dispute their findings; sight unseen. There should, at least be a review
There was only one mistake made by Officer-in-charge Taff Jones when he closed the case before it had begun and brooked no argument. Underling officers with more nous, such as Stan Jones, Bob Miller, Chris Bews et al. suspected that Bamber was lying soon after they met him.
Id say the police have made many mistakes in the case with the outcome of an innocent man being hoyed in the slammer for nearly 40 years for something he couldnt obviously have done. If it's an open and shut case, as claimed, then why are the police, forensic services, etc suppressing evidence? Even now! Why suppress all those documents, files etc and collude with the tabloids to pay off and fit someone up.
There are over 200 pieces of evidence against Bamber. Both forensic and circumstantial. Supporters dispute one piece - the silencer. Because the relatives handed it in.
You are wrong, and clearly haven't LOOKED at the evidence, or you would KNOW he is totally innocent. You just keep believing the same old rubbish from the 1986 trial which contains NO evidence of his guilt. The evidence of his INNOCENCE is what they kept hidden till 2002. Along with all the stuff they illegally BURNED. And along with all the crime scene photos they STILL won't disclose, despite 3 court orders to do so. You haters are so keen to keep him inside aren't you. Why? What are you afraid of? Being proved WRONG?
@adamcollins. Not sure where you got that information from, but their was no forensic evidence against him. Even if you was right their is evidence proving he didn't do it running into the 1000's. But 2 very compelling pieces will clear him. The fact that he was outside and the police spoke by phone to someone inside and the fact that Sheila was on the kitchen floor when police checked before entering and upstairs dead in the bedroom when they searched the upstairs approximately 25 minutes after entry.
The rifle was a .22 calibre and makes the sound of a sharp clap. Ballistic tests proved you wouldn’t have heard it from outside or another part of the house. The officer at the foot of the stairs nearest to the bedroom heard ‘a noise’ and called out for Sheila to make her whereabouts known. He never elaborated on what type of noise he heard.
It has since been proven that she could have shot herself, even with either 'one of the 2 moderators' on, although we also now know that one wasn't attached at all.
If there was no silencer then the gun was not too long and she could have shot herself. However, if she had shot herself without a silencer then the shot would be heard outside by everyone. No sound was heard. There is doubt either way. If the girlfriends evidence is removed then there is no case against him and that alone makes this an unsafe conviction. This is really interesting so I might buy a book and read the evidence. I'm the same age as JB and I come from Essex. I remember it at the time but we are no 'farmy' people so had no connection to these types. I think there should be a retrial because, in the advent of new information, we might be more sure with the subsequent outcome.
@@steveblundell7766 I thought it said it was confirmed that the father had called the son. The father also called Witham police station. Unless it was Bamber himself that made those calls. It’s confusing.
What exactly is an "unsafe trial"? What would be "unsafe" would be letting this psycopath back into society. He is a convicted killer, the crime scene was conducted by the local police who were inexperienced & bungled significant details, which was often how it was in the 80's especially with high profile cases.
@@miacat1727Yes totally agree. I'm thinking as well if he was released due to an unsafe trial then would the house etc actually get turned over to him after all?
Has she seen these personality disorders in people who were accused and who were subsequently proven innocent ? wonder how many people assumed to be killers just because they had such traits ? It staggers me that we continually learn of police hiding evidence that would show innocence . What kind of people do we entrust with the finding of killers when they will do such things ?it’s as if they place greater importance in getting a conviction than actually finding the real killer and we hear this time and again . What kind of immoral unethical , person would think this is anyway right ?
Embarrassing show , you never give those guys a chance . Everyone knows the corruption that has gone on over the years. Can you imagine them admitting they got this one wrong. It’s too big , it will cost them millions in compensation. It really sounds like they have some good evidence here . But I’ll bet anything it’ll make no difference.
There are dozens of lawyers and journalists who would love to get any evidence of a miscarriage of justice . And yet these clowns fail to produce it ..?? Why not ?!?
I have always said that he didn’t kill the family, but other family members who wanted the house and money for themselves. Police ignored a lot of information and strange how other family members "came across" evidence.
Say what you want, but Bamber was rightly convicted for disposing of five family members to get his inheritance well before it was due. Not even his two six-year-old nephews were going to stand in his way.
and, "other family members "came across" evidence' following a police search...so we are led to believe that the police missed this vital piece of evidence but "other family members " found it once the police had left?
First of all, Bamber is definitely a very dislikeable character, but there is no question, there are huge question marks over the investigation, there was some dodgy behaviour from the in-laws, who had a lot to gain from Bambers conviction
Dreadful interview - biased towards the 'Bamber done it' theory. Who is Jo? She hadn't even met him, yet confidently diagnosed him as a personality disorder. Well maybe he is, but it doesn't make him a murderer. I remember thinking at the time that the evidence against him was weak. He was a cocky, arrogant 20 yr old and was going to inherit a lot of money. People didn't like, him and he didn't exactly help himself. Good luck to him, I hope he wins the appeal.
I've always believed he is innocent! He was found guilty on the word of a bitter ex girlfriend. I think the other side of the family, that conveniently found the silencer did this to get the land they believed was theirs!
@@justwilliamcatapultpoacher2275 well that narrative was convenient and the media ran with it until the retrial. Not all people with mental illness murder their entire family.
Examine the bullet trajectories in the walls...the room is pretty much untouched. They will indicate the height of the shooter. Case closed. Neville's trousers were pulled down in a humiliation style ritual, a very telling psychological detail. The killer knew Neville and had a severe personal animus toward him. Sheila wouldn't have done that, nor did she hate Nev. Also, if she was going on a gun rampage, I kind of think she'd put her knickers on!
You need to look up as to how Neville's pajamas were down. You also need to read all the reports and information about Sheila's, mental health and what had gone on in the months prior to the murders.
@MsVanorak yes by the police, if you look at the crime scene photos you will see that the photos change (position of bodies) from 1st to last. It's been found the burn mark was Neville was originally leaning against the AGA.
@@davepenton4137 it was harvest time/summer so why would the aga be lit? they surely had an emersion heater system for hot water and there was a free standing electric cooker in the kitchen if i remember rightly.
After reading and researching this case for years I would tend to agree. He and his girlfriend staged a break in at a caravan park the family owned some time before the murders and it was this that confirmed his guilt for me
As I read the comments to this awful program, I would like to say finally, there is a lot of screwed on people in this chat room who can see right through the bullshit of this program
Not surprising at all in the 80's. Local police numbers were generally kept by the phone and only 4 digits long, a good possibility that if it was a more modern phone the number would have been stored, as Neville was a local magistrate. Plus it's irrelevant anyway as the cars would still have been dispatched from the same locations.
There seems to be a lot riding on his bejing accused, inheritance. How much baksheesh did his ex girlfriend receive for her testimony from the inheritors?
I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I did hear an ex prisoner who had spent quite a bit of time in HM prison and he stated that the majority of prisoners in the system who knew Bamber were of the opinion that he was innocent. No proof but I'd trust the inmates to have a "feel" for the guilt of somebody.
I didn't have the best relationship with my mum (a narc), & stood to inherit alot of money but i didn't want to put a bullet in her - i'm no professional, but if Bamber is a narc, then the limelight he was thrust in to - all attention on him (narcs love attention) would surely over power any other emotions he should be feeling? Why has no-one reported gun fire if she shot herself when everyone was there - another case that the police needed to have an arrest
There are two possible scenarios. Firstly, a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of not taking medication had an episode and murdered everyone. Or, secondly, Bamber created an elaborate conspiracy with numerous moving parts that involved him cycling 5 miles across country in the dark (prosecution case) murder everyone and stage the scene, call the police from the house, cycle back home then call again and initially convince the police that it was a murder/suicide, only to have forgotten that he'd ruined his scheme in advance by having previously told his girlfriend he was going to do it. Occam's razor
@@gesp5151 if she "cant have done it", who was the person inside the house then whilst JB was outside with the police? The police were talking to someone inside the property whilst JB was outside. Who was opening and shutting curtains, switching lights on etc? Who do you think they were talking to? The milkman?
@@Heresy1987 Sorry but that’s a Bamber spin: he tried to persuade police that his sister was still alive and to be careful entering. No evidence anyone was alive at that stage.
The very relatives that financially benefited from his convictions were the ones pushing his guilt ! Sadly, even if he IS innocent I doubt that he'll ever get out.
Because they KNEW he was guilty. Bamber had previous form - a failed drug deal in NZ frittering away £5000 of his parents' hard-earned cash; stealing two Cartier watches to give to his girlfriends from a Jeweler in same location; burgling Osea Caravan Park of £980 on the false premise that he was doing the family a favour by drawing attention to lax security.
Hang on a minute, if no silencer was on the gun, they would have heard the rifle go off when sheila supposedly ran upstairs without anyone seeing her and shot herself No one reported a loud gunshot while they was searching the house. Which debunks the theory she was on the floor when the broke their way in. This guy is cherry picking clearly a coppers statement that thought he seen 2 people on the floor over no one literally hearing the last gunshot which killed sheila
No, the .22 Anschutz (even without silencer) is very quiet, like a loud hand-clap. Police inside house did hear a noise upstairs and called out to Shelia. They had been in conversation with Sheila before they entered the house.
These do-gooders who try to rehabilitate evil murderers are infuriating. Why are we giving this man any air-time? He just accused Bamber's poor dead sister of having been a murderer. Sick and disgusting.
It would have been far more educational and interesting if Bleksley hadn’t spent 70% of the time voicing his own, ill-informed opinion.
In the meantime, and as a retired Essex Police detective (I served after Bamber had been imprisoned), I personally know several of those officers involved in the Bamber case and I would not trust at least three of them one single inch. I know them to have lied, prevaricated, victimised and attempted (at least) to hide evidence. One of the ones who became senior to me put huge pressure on me to omit certain facts from a statement and to charge a man with a much lesser offence than that for which he had been arrested (abducting a child under the age of fourteen.) Some might say that the police case was bungled; I would go one further and say that it was deliberately skewed, to the detriment of the defendant.
No disrepect to you Sir, but my dealings with police over 50 years has instilled in me, that NONE of them I ever dealt with could be trusted.
@@lucymooch5821 - I’m really sorry to hear that but I don’t doubt what you say. Likewise, I would like you to accept that there are some really good and dedicated people in ‘the Job’ who would put their lives on the line for the public whom they serve. I was always in trouble for saying that my loyalty to Essex Police was zero, but my loyalty to the people of Essex was 100%. That doesn’t mitigate your experiences however and I’m so sorry that your perception of the police, based upon how you have been treated, has been so awful.
Its the same all over, one bad apple doesnt ............ and in such institutions/organisations etc they do protect each other but eventually the truth comes out. No, not all policeman are bad. @@charlescadwallader6106
@@charlescadwallader6106 Sir, I have absolutely NO doubt that not all the apples in the barrel are rotten. And I am certain that you gave your utmost because you tell me so, many Police officers put their lives and their families lives on the line everyday, but this is not rising damp, where the rot comes from the bottom up. This corruption and bad practices of which many are illegal in many police forces comes from the top down, more akin to acid rain.
Sorry. I mean detention centre but for some reason I was unable to edit. Cheers.
Jo's opinion is irrelevant. Even if Bamber is a narcissist ot even a psychopath, that doesnt mean that the conviction isnt unsafe. The bar for guilt is very high, if evidence was witheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubts then the conviction is unsafe and a re trial is required.
For the CCRB to be even considering this, there must be new evidence that could undermine the conviction.
She is just one of those celebrity media gossip types. No qualifications in criminal behaviour at all.
@@mortuaryartistcorrect i remember people like her sledging Stefan Kiszco's appeal. They were silent when Stefan was proven innocent and Ronald Castree went free for 30 years
+ she's no better than an average witch hunter. Facts about crime circumstances? Naaaah, better let's pay attention to juicy rumours about animal slaughtering, created by unspecified sources. Besides the guy is a narcissist because he killed his family because he's a narcissist.
@@stephenholmes1036that case was terribly sad
Totally agree Jo's evidence is not only irrelevant, but all of her information is only based on gossip or hearsay. The phone logs alone throw serious doubt on Jeremy's conviction.
That 'Behavioural Psychologist' has clearly just been called in to fill a seat. Every answer is vague, conjecture or generalising - nothing directly related to the case. She says "99.9% of killers will continue to protest innocence". Where is she getting this statistic? Pretty sure it's completely made up in her head. Or how about "they will convince themselves they're innocent." Who is she talking about? General killers??? I feel like I know more about killer's minds from watching Manhunter!
Amazing how the host and the 'expert' can just completely blank out facts like the police notebooks saying there was a female body in the kitchen (that was then magically transported upstairs). So those 2 officers were wrong? Did they just imagine a woman on the floor and note that down for fun?
I felt exactly the same watching this. She didn’t appear to know anything about the case. How many murderers has she interviewed to come to her conclusions?
All the people who support him are taken in by him
@@sithomas8080 A lot if you read her bio
My immediate thoughts about that "99.9%" too - not how I'd expect someone to put a scientific point of view unless that was an actual study result.
Yes, it’s a well known psychological trait and learned behaviour , for psychologists to immediately jump to their own often generalizations and old generic research answers to explain people . I wonder if there is any research on psychologists always explaining things away with psychology?
How can,she diagnose him without meeting him and evaluating him?
I thought the same
Exactly how can she sit there and say he's got BPD or NPD without interviewing him. She's merely going by how he looked on the TV.
Psychologists are superb at inventing 'disorders'. even for little children!!!!
Ask three psychologists : Get
three different opinions.
Judging from Bamber's nature, I reckon the behaviour psychologist got it right. Recognising narcastistic behaviour is not rocket science.
That awful woman is the last person I'd trust to psychoanalyse anyone.
She's got tunnel vision and that's not what psychology is cented on.
She criticises JB for not showing remorse. This is illogical and a circular argument. If he is innocent, he would not show remorse (for something he hadn't done).
I thought she gave her personal, rather than her professional, opinion. In a way which suggested some prejudice.
I have borderline personality disorder and I don't kill people
So everyone with BPD acts the same, lives the same, does the same? Obviously not
You've still got time .
It's unbelievable the way people with BPD are treated
And you point us. BPD isn’t a diagnosis as such, and it’s often used as a label for paedophiles.
BPD : otherwise known as an over
active imagination and / or attention seeking device . Similar to ADHD and other self diagnosed
neuro diverse conditions.
The 'Behavioural Psychologist' (who has never met Bamber) says his actions are typical of a narcissistic personality disorder but completely ignores the fact they are EXACTLY the actions of a completely innocent person!! Apparently protesting your innocents is proof you are guilty, in her head!! No wonder there are appalling miscarriages of justice when this kind of 'expert' is allowed to interfere in the justice system!!
I don't think she had any role in the actual case, the trial or any of the sub sequent appeals. So in what way is she interfering in the justice system? She may be commenting about a case in which she dos not know the actors....but then aren't all of us who are posting a comment?
Behaviour psychologists are qualified to make ananlysis's of narcissist behaviour, it's their field of expertise, often relied upon in Court.
@@miacat1727 She is NOT a registered psychologist. with the governing body in the UK. My cat could could herself a behavioural psychologist if she so wanted to
Who moved into White House Farm once Bamber was caught convicted?
Who found the mysterious sound moderator and gave it to the police?
Who was jealous of the adopted children who stood to inherit the family estate?
False, the house is owned by the church
She still lives there.
@@davepenton4137In a different part of the house, the boys room is locked of, it has pics of the family ,a shrine to them all, they are a lovely family
@@CharlieCharlie881 The question was who moved into the house? Not who owns it.
@@CharlieCharlie881 if you say so
Narcissists are very good at getting certain people under their spell!!!
Like Donald Trump chaos follows him
@@Brenda-t3nwhat's trump got to do with the price of fish ??
@@carolarmer1204 Trump is a blatant narcissist & obvious example so that links in with the original post.
And so are bent essex cops….I KNOW!
@@silverfern8970 good point narcissists can get people to believe.but incy wincy problem there bamber didn't kill his family. There is not one shred of evidence in fact all the evidence as been. Debunked over and over again. And all the other evidence that as come out since. Bamber shouldn't have a new trial he should be let straight out. There is so much evidence in his favour he could be acquitted multiple times over. And that's without the rest of the evidence the cps won't hand over
The man on the left said Sheila was alive in the kitchen and when the cops broke in she ran upstairs to shoot herself. Did I hear that correctly? He also said no silencer was used so surely 40 cops outside would have heard a gunshot if, as he said, she ran upstairs to shoot herself.
What he said was true, you didn't misunderstand. The police did hear a noise but you have to remember this was not a shotgun, but a relatively low powered rifle. The evidence is their to back this up.
Wasn’t the rifle a 22 rimfire gun? They are surprisingly quiet when compared to other firearms.
@garysmith3173 definitely a .22, not sure off the top of my head, all the other details
Anschutz 525 Semi-Auto .22LR rifle with a ten round magazine. @@davepenton4137
The guns length means the angle of bullet through the head couldnt of been suicide?
If no silencer was used and Sheila was walking around the house eventually shooting herself in the bedroom, was a gunshot not heard by everyone stood outside?
The gun shot is only as loud as a clap, so no they wouldn't hear it outside. Plus when the firearms team entered one of them reported hearing a sound and raced up the stairs calling for Sheila to make herself known.
@@nickyrowley3374incorrect! Without the moderator it would be heard outside!
@@nickyrowley3374how many guns are just as loud as a handclap🤦♂️even air rifles are far louder than that ffs
@@nickyrowley3374 The window to the bedroom was open. It would have been heard
That, if I may say so, is THE POINT. Fireworks outside a house can be heard from inside. Hence the inverse situation would be true, and of a gunshot also. If the silencer is offered up in mitigation, then the question arises as to how Sheila could have removed and hidden it after her death. As to movement inside the house, of curtains and/or someone switching lights on and off while Bamber was outside with police, was the front door the only point of entry, and was Bamber interacting with every police officer present?
There is no reason for the woman, whoever she is, to be in this video. She adds nothing of any relevance
No reason for a film maker to be in this discussion either.
@@miacat1727 Yep very true
Except a scarey appearance to viewers....😮
Two J Bamber advocates versus Jo, who appears to have no deep knowledge of the case...really balanced.
So, are you suggesting they should have had MORE people with no knowledge on, just for balance??
And her and the host, still done most of the talking. Normally you would have someone who knew the case, which she obviously didn't.
@ user- xv9yc4wb2x
Didn't Bamber brag to his then girl friend how he could enter and exit the house by means of a window which could be secretly opened and leave no trace.
Very sloppy police investigation all round.
Bamber was the only person to benefit if the others were dead.
Guilty as charged in my opinion- and that of thousands of others.
@@dougchance8891👍 Spot on. Note the question about Bamber killing animals was sidelined by the male guests. The girlfriend provided the window evidence & gave much more. The only person who stood to gain anything from this slaughter, is behind bars & should remain there.
Z list “experts” on each side. I see no problem…it’s a Z list TH-cam channel.
How can this woman Joan make comment of a man she has never met
That's exactly what I was thinking. Everything she has said is the same rhetoric you hear from any of the guilty brigade. She didn't even make up her own lies, just used others which made her look very unprofessional.
@@nickyrowley3374 if you are going to diagnose someone with some personality issue the least you can do is to go and see them in person not just spout something you read in a book.
Yes he acted a big strange after it all happened went stupid spending money but he had just lost his Mother, Father, 2 nephews and his sister not to sure how Ai would have behaved if my entire family was wiped out and I thought my sister was responsible.
Some of the evidence I seem to remember can from his ex girlfriend.
I think the whole case should be reviewed, police make mistakes
Timothy John Evans, Barry George, Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, Winston Silcott, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark,
There were a number of women found guilty of killing their babies by shaken death injuries, turned out the main Doctor expert testimony was all lies.
That’s just a few there are probably many more, mistakes happen
Lots of single middle aged women think he is innocent.
She is a criminal profiler. Her job.
She's not making a comment on so.eone she's never met--she's making general comments on Narcissists.
Experience perhaps?
I can't help but believe that this TV psychologist thinks that she is better positioned to analyse someone she's never met than the professionals who actually DO interview people in prisons regularly 🤔
Experts are the biggest narcissists with overblown opinions of themselves.
@@burlyshorn 👍
We see. So many psychologists who dismiss people and the things they have said because their academic research says people do so and so .its also usually the research dont by others thirty years ago in a certain context that they seem will8ng to apply to every scenario . They seem to use the same psychological evidences for a multiple of things and people. As if because we are one species we all succumb to the same faults and behaviours when we know just from history how thing and people are never what we assume .if we apply generalizations however they may seem to answer questions , then we surely cause possible misrepresentations and great errors. I often wonder how many psychologists who have dismissed people who say they’ve seen a UFO , as misperceptions and hysteria etc , but now we have so many cameras on phones , how these hysterics have now suddenly disappeared , how do psychologists explain their willingness to diagnose people before ? Has hysteria suddenly been cured thst they seem to have stopped with their quick explanations of people’s claims ? Perhaps it’s a psychological trait to jump to easy dismissals with psychology, do they have research on themselves I wonder ? I hope I’ve made sense !
@@saudade369 it's not just psychologists either
I have a newly married friend in hospital right now after being told by his GP/MD that the symptoms he is experiencing are entirely due to sudden depression even though, to me, a layman, they are obviously not
Turns out he has bleeding on the brain and that if it was left untreated it could be fatal
The call log at 3:26 says under the highlighted part that the message was passed to cd by the son after the phone went dead. Little wonder ‘new evidence’ is not accepted by the courts.
They always spin it to suit whatever narrative they wish to convey at the time I really hope that the truth comes out in the end and justice is served
Wasn't It proven that It would have been impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger, let alone shoot herself twice
Not impossible but unlikely according to experts.
Not impossible, even with the sound moderator. But there were two sound moderators. Both were red herrings.
JB has many middle age single females. I knew of his GF and she said he did for sure, they omit her testimony.
SNP politician shot himself twice in the head...then ran down to the loch,to dispose of the gun,before returning to his car to die...always be wary of 'experts' with an agenda?
@abdell75roussos your wrong on that. It was her testimony, that he was convicted on. She had a big incentive to lie, she has to keep up this lie, otherwise she could go to jail.
Of course I don’t know for certain if Bamber is innocent, but I do remember at the time of the trial, thinking that something was off & didn’t seem right. At the very least, if there’s a chance that he’s innocent, the case should be reviewed. Imagine sitting in prison for 38 years if you’re not guilty 😢
You do know for certain and so do they.
Wake up woman.
@@anyawaleofondo Was that reply for me? I’m wide awake thanks - and at least I can keep an open mind about this. Do you know how many people get stuck in prison for crimes they didn’t actually commit?
@@pamelacuthbert1722 You have a closed mind and you are very cheeky.
@@anyawaleofondo Fortunately I couldn’t care less what you think of me 🤣🤣
@@pamelacuthbert1722 Dear Pamela, the case WAS reviewed. Look up "Bamber Appeal report 2002" online. It's 150 pages of close detail proving that Bamber is guilty.
I’ve never felt comfortable with the Bamber conviction
You'll get over it.
If no silencer was used, why was it not simply reported that Sheila ‘ran upstairs’ and shot herself, and by that the police all would have heard without a doubt the gunshot?
If that all happened, why would the police need to blame anyone else?
He wants to attribute this slaughter to a girl using a gun multiple times without a silencer?
He fucked up.
Back in the day times were not recorded with precision.
Even his bird grassed him up.
for 25k and being let off her own criminal activities scott free
New evidence has come to light? I am so fed up of hearing those words. I thought a police officer saw someone lurking in the dark outside the farm? Has anyone bothered to investigate instead of blaming an innocent woman?
Yeah, they had a trail in 1985, and the innocent woman's brother was convicted, and has been in prison since. Do keep up.
Complete nonsense. Sheila Cafell had no history of violence, was known to detest firearms, had no indication on her body that ahe had either loaded or fired a gun that evening - no blood or gsr despite the close range of the shots - was taking her medication, and adored her children. It has been conclusively proven that Sheila Cafell did NOT commit the murders. And the only person who claims she did is Bamber himself. Try actually reading ALL the evidence.
The only reason for the issues relating to the crime scene was Bamber himself misdirecting the police before the bodies were even discovered.
The police took a lot of the evidence including the furniture from the bedroom and allowed it to be put in a pile and be burnt, and why accept the first call from the father, but ignore that JB was outside the farmhouse when police saw someone moving around in the house, not to mention the ‘relatives’ finding the mark on the fireplace…how convenient
All bullshit. No call from Nevill. When police arrived they asked why Nevill didn't ring the police. It was a trick of the light Bamber accepted this at trial
Police didn't see anyone moving around inside the house....It was Bamber who told them he had seen someone at a window and put the idea into their heads to start the whole 'seige' scenario and that Sheila had done it.
@mollydacrcey7148 There is more to it, as you must know.
@starryian007 Another little known fact is this. When J rang police about the 'phone call he had received from N(I doubt there was a 'phone call N was already dead)..... J arranged to meet the police at the scene as he had keys and knowledge of the buildings. However...J was seen by a local driving very very slowly from his home to the scene(3 miles), this was notable because J was known locally as a tearaway driver(Police drove his route and it was clear he had driven painfully slowly). J made sure he arrived at the scene AFTER the Police to keep his 'Alibi'. He then misled them that he had seen movement in a window. This was to delay entry to make forensics more difficult(which it did). The two log reports have been covered by the people who wrote them, There was only one 'phone call, from J, The two authors have covered the 10 minute discrepancy as different clocks/watches when the message was handed over. J did it. He's smart, but not smart enough.
To be fair J Bamber DID have a smirk on his face on a couple of occasions ,one was if I remember rightly was at the funeral. Doesn't prove guilt but wonder why he showed this callousness .
16:05 you have to be careful with psychologists. She listed some traits,
Charming
Articulate
Puts his case forward.
In her head and world that
= narcissist/psychopath
Because these people are determined to detect these things.
The problem is anyone who presents well, and talks well can fall into these categories.
The traits and definitions of these groups is so broad you can fit almost anyone into these categories.
I do presentations verbally, I use humour to relax people. And ask the audience questions to keep them engaged. I’m articulate, I use different types of language depending on the audience, or the point I’m trying to make.
It’s my job, I’m not a narc, but 2 hours in a room with this lady and you’re 80% likely to be labelled one or something else.
I wonder how many police logs from that era are inaccurate? i bet lots are out by a few minutes.
why should he show remorse if he's innocent ?
Losing your entire family … you’d show some kind of emotion at some point. Unlikely that you book a holiday as he did.
They are not inferring remorse for guilt of murder, emotion, grief at his family's murders
@@CrueLoafNope.
Grow up.
@@Caz_2087So??
He is innocent so can remorse how he likes.
@@anyawaleofondo Make it make sense. If innocent what does he have to be remorseful for!!! 🤦🏻♀️
I am so glad hanging was abolished in 1951 an innocent Somali man named mamood Hassan 13:49ers hung here in Cardiff and many years later was proved innocent he couldn’t even speak English he left a wife and three children look up on the internet
A narcissist will persuade themselves they are innocent.
Ha ha not always and his sister had a far more dangerous mental illness
@@steveblundell7766 She had threatened to kill herself and her children.
...so everyone who IS innocent is a narcissist....!!?
@@stephenholmes1036 She had NO motive to do this,
whereas Jeremey Bamber stood to gain financially for his blatant murders.
There's absolutely no way on Gods green earth that this guy is getting out of jail.
Well said,
Irrelevant.
@@EnochsrightEh??
Doesn't mean he should be in there to start with.
Thank heaven for that this guy is so guilty!
It's prison officers opinion who have looked after him all these years that I would be interested in I mean staff with years of experience not younger staff.
They agree he is guilty
A former prison officer who had dealings with him said he was an arrogant t++t....not a likable person at all...he thinks he's guilty
He told an officer he was in for murdering his family.
@@andybt3989 that's what he would say even if guilty that is his charge .
@@janetashton3718 he admitted to the guard!
cops botched the crime scene didn't help
PM of sheila showed she died from a gs to the head. So she ran up the stairs with a fatal gs, or she ran upstairs and shot herself but the police didn’t hear it. Yup.
Who said she was shot at this point?
You need to look more closely at the evidence that is now available. She was shot a 2nd time, the fatal shot, by bumbling firearms police when they broke in to the farm. You just believe what the media says, when they are know liars. The paperwork revealed in 2002 proves all of the police case was LIES.
This has been goin on for years. Its obvious he was set up & left to rot in prison because of Police incompetence & corruption. This man has lost his family & his whole life has been made to suffer.
Not for the first time in this case "new evidence" but anyone familiar with the case won't be buying it.
That's because it's not ''new evidence''.
The CCRC will only look at submissions which contain new evidence of which there is an abundance they are considering
'I'd rather 9 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.'
@@steveblundell7766 I have to be honest and say I know very little of this case so I'm not in a position to confer guilt or innocence. It's just a principle that I adhere to for humanitarian reasons. (And I'm not a whooly liberal).
Even if those people created more victims?
so 9 murderers go free to save one innocent man?
your taking it a bit far now, what if they wernt
@charleswhite758
Even if Sheila was alive in the house, it doesn’t mean she killed them and he didn’t.
The silencer was never on the rifle unless Sheila used it. You would never ever use a .22 rifle with a silencer for shooting rabbits.
The Eatons and the Bouflowers had motive to manipulate evidence so as to take over the white house farm, which is what they have done. Screams injustice and unsafe evidence.
The silencer was never on the rifle unless Sheila used it. You would never ever use a .22 rifle with a silencer for shooting rabbits.
This is one that has never sat well with me. For a conviction it needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and there is plenty of reasonable doubt on this one!!!
Scary how many unsafe convictions are made..
The jury didn't think so.
@@simonlevett4776 Wow.. did you work that out all by yourself 🤔🙄
@@simonlevett4776they didn't have all the evidence so is it any wonder?
Sheila or Bamber did this.
Sheila was forensically ruled out. It was proved in court that June was forensically more soiled with blood + other fluids than Sheila.
Sheila did nothing.
11:20 - this is a log of JB's call to the cops NOT his fathers...🙄 is there anyone who has any links for any documents supporting phone calls made to the police or anyone FROM the farmhouse at any time in a 24 hour period around the murders, please?
Thanks in advance
Apparently logs show father did call cops, saw the log writing, in documentary.
Such a good idea for talk TV to give him his own show. Really loving it.
It's very unlikely that Julie Mugford would have perjured herself to the extent of sending Bamber to prison for life merely for being jilted. And if Bamber, who numerous people said he hated his adoptive parents, had said what she claimed about intending to murder them and implying the deed was done on the day of the murders, then we can be very sure he's guilty. He had motive means and opportunity and no alibi.
The idea that Neville could not have disarmed Sheila in a struggle is preposterous. Bamber's pretended grief at the funeral was evidenced by his partying afterwards. Those who say he is innocent are unbelievably naive.
Money and rejection.
Guilty!!
Thank God we don't have the death penalty,
I think forty years in prison would be worse.
Not a DP case...only use it for those caught red handed,like Robert Black and Lee Rigby's killers! Idiots confuse these cases!
@starryian007 No, he's not. And there is no evidence of his guilt. Otherwise the police would have used it at his trial, instead of manufacturing a load of bs with the help of the family, who couldn't wait to get their greedy mits on all the loot. Hope you're never on a jury.
@starryian007 Agree ,guilty
@@verairemonger1260 how's he not guilty?
How did Sheila shoot herself then put the moderator away?
Sheila was shot either sitting up or standing up.
Have you seen her CS photos? Did Bamber call nevill? No. Stop making up stories.
The supposed call log shown at 11:20 is actually an internal police communication relaying the information from Jeremy's call. They know this, but they're still trying to pass it off as a call log.
Jo who, knows absolutely diddly squat about any of this or JB . I treat all Psychologists as guessers like Gypsy lady with the tea leaves.
But somewhere the truth is going to be stranger than anyone could believe if it ever comes out. JB at the funeral was oscar winning though.
They are always wise *after* the event. When all is already known.
Psychology is the easy course at uni& often filled with failed students of other subjects,it’s all nonsense
Jeremy's Uncle 'discovered' a silencer in a cupboard.........?????????? The Police did not...!!!!!!
The police weren't looking for a silencer/moderator because the senior detective in charge, having seen the bare rifle on SC's body, instantly decided that it was an open and shut case of four murders and a suicide. Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, found the moderator, not his uncle.
@@philgarlic8047 Did they fit him up I wonder.
You had me at 'the UK's most prolific crimes' at the beginning.
That psychologist is proving the point of reasonable doubt with her professional bias, she's clearly written her script and isn't deviating from it. She hasn't met him, she's not had access to psychological evaluation by a number of psychology and psychiatry professors who have evaluated Bamber over the decades he's been incarcerated, but dispute their findings; sight unseen.
There should, at least be a review
he is guilty as ever anybody was !!! This is idiotic !!!
Based on your perception of the TV and media coverage. Dig out and read the actual evidence.
he didnt do it
The police made so many mistakes in this case, which has allowed JB to convince people that he is innocent.
There was only one mistake made by Officer-in-charge Taff Jones when he closed the case before it had begun and brooked no argument. Underling officers with more nous, such as Stan Jones, Bob Miller, Chris Bews et al. suspected that Bamber was lying soon after they met him.
Id say the police have made many mistakes in the case with the outcome of an innocent man being hoyed in the slammer for nearly 40 years for something he couldnt obviously have done.
If it's an open and shut case, as claimed, then why are the police, forensic services, etc suppressing evidence? Even now! Why suppress all those documents, files etc and collude with the tabloids to pay off and fit someone up.
Little pink piggy.well said. Fancy a date 😁
There are over 200 pieces of evidence against Bamber. Both forensic and circumstantial.
Supporters dispute one piece - the silencer. Because the relatives handed it in.
@@Nauysvyf There was one
You are wrong, and clearly haven't LOOKED at the evidence, or you would KNOW he is totally innocent. You just keep believing the same old rubbish from the 1986 trial which contains NO evidence of his guilt. The evidence of his INNOCENCE is what they kept hidden till 2002. Along with all the stuff they illegally BURNED. And along with all the crime scene photos they STILL won't disclose, despite 3 court orders to do so. You haters are so keen to keep him inside aren't you. Why? What are you afraid of? Being proved WRONG?
@adamcollins. Not sure where you got that information from, but their was no forensic evidence against him. Even if you was right their is evidence proving he didn't do it running into the 1000's. But 2 very compelling pieces will clear him. The fact that he was outside and the police spoke by phone to someone inside and the fact that Sheila was on the kitchen floor when police checked before entering and upstairs dead in the bedroom when they searched the upstairs approximately 25 minutes after entry.
@@Nauysvyf Nope wrong ,do your research
If you think supporters only mention the silencer, you definitely haven't done your homework!
Sorry if I wrong but I saw a TV programme saying the kitchen carpet was removed and disposed of before a forensic team began their investigation.
No Bamber is 100% guilty
But.....did Police outside or inside the house hear the step sister shoot herself?
The rifle was a .22 calibre and makes the sound of a sharp clap. Ballistic tests proved you wouldn’t have heard it from outside or another part of the house. The officer at the foot of the stairs nearest to the bedroom heard ‘a noise’ and called out for Sheila to make her whereabouts known. He never elaborated on what type of noise he heard.
@@emmamorris2449Please may I ask where I can find this information. Many thanks
Behavioural Psychologists are a waste of oxygen
Totally agree... would they of picked up on Peter Sutcliffe??? described by his boss and work mates as a good solid worker and bloke.....
@@peteanderson4395 Who was nicknamed "The Yorkshire Ripper" by said workmates, apparently. 😆
@@marekohampton8477 I didn't know that...... thanks for telling me that
Nope, just this one.
In your view but it was clear as day to me, there was no way on gods earth that she shot herself as the weapon was far too long
Well it obviously wasn't too long, as that is exactly what she did.
It has since been proven that she could have shot herself, even with either 'one of the 2 moderators' on, although we also now know that one wasn't attached at all.
If there was no silencer then the gun was not too long and she could have shot herself. However, if she had shot herself without a silencer then the shot would be heard outside by everyone. No sound was heard. There is doubt either way.
If the girlfriends evidence is removed then there is no case against him and that alone makes this an unsafe conviction.
This is really interesting so I might buy a book and read the evidence. I'm the same age as JB and I come from Essex. I remember it at the time but we are no 'farmy' people so had no connection to these types. I think there should be a retrial because, in the advent of new information, we might be more sure with the subsequent outcome.
@@steveblundell7766 I thought it said it was confirmed that the father had called the son. The father also called Witham police station. Unless it was Bamber himself that made those calls. It’s confusing.
So who did it??
Why officer X? Name and shame... and really? He didn't lose his job - it'll lead to more behaviours seeing as he knows the law protects their own
He clearly did it but because of police ineptness at the time it makes it seem like there's doubt.
Fair point.
What exactly is an "unsafe trial"? What would be "unsafe" would be letting this psycopath back into society. He is a convicted killer, the crime scene was conducted by the local police who were inexperienced & bungled significant details, which was often how it was in the 80's especially with high profile cases.
@@miacat1727Yes totally agree. I'm thinking as well if he was released due to an unsafe trial then would the house etc actually get turned over to him after all?
Has she seen these personality disorders in people who were accused and who were subsequently proven innocent ? wonder how many people assumed to be killers just because they had such traits ?
It staggers me that we continually learn of police hiding evidence that would show innocence . What kind of people do we entrust with the finding of killers when they will do such things ?it’s as if they place greater importance in getting a conviction than actually finding the real killer and we hear this time and again . What kind of immoral unethical , person would think this is anyway right ?
Razor smith, yammy b was in jail at the same time as him. Both convinced of his guilt by his own actions. Guilty as sin.
Police that hid evidence need to go to jail for every year this man did in jail!
I think his girlfriend should be questioned.
She knows he's guilty
He was convicted mainly on his girlfriend Julie Mugford’s statement… she’s on the other side of the world now and I doubt she will retract it!
@@trishmarshall2371 Sold her story to a paper.
@@michelleroberts-ez7ye I know
How much baksheesh did she get.?
The right man is in jail, this is just nonsense
And you know that do you, cos you were there?
I live 10 minutes from White House farm in tollshunt Darcy. I think something doesn’t add up either. Lots of corrupt police in them days also
Having a personality disorder does not make you a killer.
No one's saying it does.
Why would you show remorse if you didnt do it.......
Exactly, heads they win, tails you lose!!
I think they really mean empathy/emotion. He has shown none whatsoever, I believe he is a dangerous man
@@narcdetester2102He seemed pretty distressed and emotional at the funeral.
@@manoo422 Not to me he didn't. Play acting all the way. His expressions have never changed every time I have seen him on film
Embarrassing show , you never give those guys a chance . Everyone knows the corruption that has gone on over the years. Can you imagine them admitting they got this one wrong. It’s too big , it will cost them millions in compensation. It really sounds like they have some good evidence here . But I’ll bet anything it’ll make no difference.
Essex Police didn't get it wrong. Bamber was, is and always will be guilty, end of.
@@philgarlic8047 ex copper or mason ? What a ridiculous comment
There are dozens of lawyers and
journalists who would love to get
any evidence of a miscarriage of justice . And yet these clowns fail to produce it ..?? Why not ?!?
I have always said that he didn’t kill the family, but other family members who wanted the house and money for themselves. Police ignored a lot of information and strange how other family members "came across" evidence.
Say what you want, but Bamber was rightly convicted for disposing of five family members to get his inheritance well before it was due. Not even his two six-year-old nephews were going to stand in his way.
and, "other family members "came across" evidence' following a police search...so we are led to believe that the police missed this vital piece of evidence but "other family members " found it once the police had left?
and fought hard to make sure other family members did not to keep it for themselves.
He is guilty plain and simple.
No need for a trial then...
@@manoo422had one, he was guilty, found guilty and sentenced.
@@manoo422 he had a trial.
How can you diagnose someone without meeting them? It's not possible. I am not happy that the conviction in his case was sound.
I never meet Hitler, so I can say if he was a good person or not. That what you mean?
Reasonable doubt. Bad policing. Unsafe conviction.
How can she call anyone a narcissist look at her face
Blimey, if ever there’s been a case of ‘once a copper always a copper’. Talk about leading questions!
Hence the 'no comment' advice during interview.
First of all, Bamber is definitely a very dislikeable character, but there is no question, there are huge question marks over the investigation, there was some dodgy behaviour from the in-laws, who had a lot to gain from Bambers conviction
Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and David Boutflour could be.
This case has a number of concerning aspects, and a fresh look at it bearing in mind again so much new evidence has now been released.
What new evidence ?
Dreadful interview - biased towards the 'Bamber done it' theory. Who is Jo? She hadn't even met him, yet confidently diagnosed him as a personality disorder. Well maybe he is, but it doesn't make him a murderer. I remember thinking at the time that the evidence against him was weak. He was a cocky, arrogant 20 yr old and was going to inherit a lot of money. People didn't like, him and he didn't exactly help himself. Good luck to him, I hope he wins the appeal.
There was overwhelming evidence against him which came out in court. That is why the jury convicted him
HE IS INNOCENT NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS HIM.
WHY?
Is he bollocks
I've always believed he is innocent! He was found guilty on the word of a bitter ex girlfriend. I think the other side of the family, that conveniently found the silencer did this to get the land they believed was theirs!
So you believe his frail sister murdered her parents (and kids?)?
@@CrueLoafShe was a paranoid schizophrenic, she could have done it, why is that any harder to believe than him doing it
@@justwilliamcatapultpoacher2275 well that narrative was convenient and the media ran with it until the retrial. Not all people with mental illness murder their entire family.
I didn't say his sister! Duh! I said the other side of the family, learn to read, it's a great skill to have!
@@JaniceKing-dy6wc too vague. They shot their entire family? Names required!
Examine the bullet trajectories in the walls...the room is pretty much untouched. They will indicate the height of the shooter. Case closed. Neville's trousers were pulled down in a humiliation style ritual, a very telling psychological detail. The killer knew Neville and had a severe personal animus toward him. Sheila wouldn't have done that, nor did she hate Nev. Also, if she was going on a gun rampage, I kind of think she'd put her knickers on!
You need to look up as to how Neville's pajamas were down. You also need to read all the reports and information about Sheila's, mental health and what had gone on in the months prior to the murders.
@@davepenton4137 To fully understand Sheilas mental health reports, one needs specialist knowledge in understanding it.
he'd been dragged about by his shoulders and posed. it dragged his trews down and made a burn mark. sheila had been dragged about and posed too.
@MsVanorak yes by the police, if you look at the crime scene photos you will see that the photos change (position of bodies) from 1st to last. It's been found the burn mark was Neville was originally leaning against the AGA.
@@davepenton4137 it was harvest time/summer so why would the aga be lit? they surely had an emersion heater system for hot water and there was a free standing electric cooker in the kitchen if i remember rightly.
B.S. he's as guilty as sin .
... says someone who knows absolutely nothing about the case.
Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.
Rather than phone Bamber's answering machine and a police station over 20 miles away.
@@steveblundell7766 It was also a low power rifle. A shot gun would be a different matter.
The phone calls were made and that is evidenced. What Neville said is not evidenced but he did make the call to JB's phone.
Bamber is as guilty as hell! I am convinced of that beyond any shadow of a doubt
On what basis?
After reading and researching this case for years I would tend to agree. He and his girlfriend staged a break in at a caravan park the family owned some time before the murders and it was this that confirmed his guilt for me
this show its awesome i love it ❤
As I read the comments to this awful program, I would like to say finally, there is a lot of screwed on people in this chat room who can see right through the bullshit of this program
Nevill Bamber never made a phone call to Bamber, absolutely no evidence.
I thought it was on police logs.
I know someone who new Bamber very well. He was convinced Bamber had the wear withal to make out he did not do it but he did do it.
Interesting. Any more information? What makes him think this?
'Wear withal' ?
He killed them whatever shite you come up with and if he didn’t his sister certainly didn’t that is beyond realms of possibility
"NICE ONE" Genghis.
It's pretty certain that Sheila did murder the family then turn the gun on herself. That's what the evidence overwhelmingly points to.
Surprising that neither Bamber or Nevill called 999.
He didn't get a chance too
@@Nauysvyf Chelmsford was over 20 miles away.
Not surprising at all in the 80's. Local police numbers were generally kept by the phone and only 4 digits long, a good possibility that if it was a more modern phone the number would have been stored, as Neville was a local magistrate.
Plus it's irrelevant anyway as the cars would still have been dispatched from the same locations.
@@Nauysvyf Why would a magistrate know the number of a police station over 20 miles away?
Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.
Ex copper presenter has made his mind up he is guilty
... and he's right.
@@philgarlic8047 i probably agree with him but as a presenter you must be balanced
How did she shoot herself more than once🤔
She didn't, Bamber did.
@@philgarlic8047 obviously! There’s no way she committed those murders.
There seems to be a lot riding on his bejing accused, inheritance. How much baksheesh did his ex girlfriend receive for her testimony from the inheritors?
I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I did hear an ex prisoner who had spent quite a bit of time in HM prison and he stated that the majority of prisoners in the system who knew Bamber were of the opinion that he was innocent. No proof but I'd trust the inmates to have a "feel" for the guilt of somebody.
Why has my reply been removed?!!!
I didn't have the best relationship with my mum (a narc), & stood to inherit alot of money but i didn't want to put a bullet in her - i'm no professional, but if Bamber is a narc, then the limelight he was thrust in to - all attention on him (narcs love attention) would surely over power any other emotions he should be feeling?
Why has no-one reported gun fire if she shot herself when everyone was there - another case that the police needed to have an arrest
There are two possible scenarios. Firstly, a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of not taking medication had an episode and murdered everyone. Or, secondly, Bamber created an elaborate conspiracy with numerous moving parts that involved him cycling 5 miles across country in the dark (prosecution case) murder everyone and stage the scene, call the police from the house, cycle back home then call again and initially convince the police that it was a murder/suicide, only to have forgotten that he'd ruined his scheme in advance by having previously told his girlfriend he was going to do it. Occam's razor
She can’t have done it! Just physically impossible
How did she load 25 bullets? Beat her 6 ‘ tall dad and not have an injury other than 2 bullets??
@@gesp5151 if she "cant have done it", who was the person inside the house then whilst JB was outside with the police? The police were talking to someone inside the property whilst JB was outside. Who was opening and shutting curtains, switching lights on etc?
Who do you think they were talking to? The milkman?
@@Heresy1987 Sorry but that’s a Bamber spin: he tried to persuade police that his sister was still alive and to be careful entering. No evidence anyone was alive at that stage.
@@gesp5151 but you're taking the police word for that though, seeing as they would be the prime witness at the scene.
Hopefully if Bamber is not guilty then he will be released and be compensated.
He isn't innocent, no doubt about it.
No points for stating the obvious.
Michael Stone is the person that should be released.
The very relatives that financially benefited from his convictions were the ones pushing his guilt ! Sadly, even if he IS innocent I doubt that he'll ever get out.
Because they KNEW he was guilty. Bamber had previous form - a failed drug deal in NZ frittering away £5000 of his parents' hard-earned cash; stealing two Cartier watches to give to his girlfriends from a Jeweler in same location; burgling Osea Caravan Park of £980 on the false premise that he was doing the family a favour by drawing attention to lax security.
Borderline personality doesn't make you a killer ❤
Hang on a minute, if no silencer was on the gun, they would have heard the rifle go off when sheila supposedly ran upstairs without anyone seeing her and shot herself
No one reported a loud gunshot while they was searching the house. Which debunks the theory she was on the floor when the broke their way in.
This guy is cherry picking clearly a coppers statement that thought he seen 2 people on the floor over no one literally hearing the last gunshot which killed sheila
Not necessarily, that gun has a very low sound.
No, the .22 Anschutz (even without silencer) is very quiet, like a loud hand-clap. Police inside house did hear a noise upstairs and called out to Shelia. They had been in conversation with Sheila before they entered the house.
These do-gooders who try to rehabilitate evil murderers are infuriating. Why are we giving this man any air-time? He just accused Bamber's poor dead sister of having been a murderer. Sick and disgusting.
Sounds like you know absolutely zero about this case.
@@Fitness4London I know that he's guilty of murdering his whole family, that I do know.
If anyone had a problem with being adopted.. it was Sheila, just before her meltdown she’d spoken to her real parents and was ignored.
That is a lie, Bamber was always the problem
Sheila met her mother, all was good. JB’s parents (who remained together) rejected his contact, they didn’t want to know him.
@@kerryfowler7717She was meeting her again she was really happy
Where are you getting your info from? LOL
@@Maxie19699 I've known the family all my life