Bruh German tankers would have gone deaf or at least be dazed. I can't even imagine being in tight closed space and being shot at by a 152mm shell. I know I know it's not historically accurate, just giving you a perspective. 1 shell from kv2 and Panther tankers would be incapable to operate a tank well enough to destroy kv2. 😝 Thanks for the vid man
You know that there's an element of random that can decrease/block damage from a hit? To do a proper comparison you should make at least around 100 tests.
Stop comparing people, in one side there is an PRE WAR, SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER, made For BUNKER BUSTING, and the other side is a MODERN LATE WAR MEDIUM TANK, this is balance, if we count the real reload, optics and aiming system, the KV-2 would never shoot first, but yes of course, if it somehow shot first and hitted the panther, all the Panther's crewmembers would turn to paste, but if the Panther shot first, which in all ocasions is more likely, it would penetrate easily due to it's high velocity gun, and kill most or all the crewmembers inside but repeating, the KV-2 was not meant to shoot first, it was a howitzer in a KV-1 hull, and the Panther, as a medium tank, had a 75 mm to kill most things including tanks and good ergonomics to be the first to aim and shoot
COH is not about realism. It's about balance after all. It's a great game in my opinion, been playing since the first one released,back when my sempron 1.6ghz could barely handle it on low settings. In real life? The panther would probably win this one. It was hard for every tank to hit on the first shot and while the panther was accurate and had a 9 seconds reload max, the kv2 was not really that accurate and had almost 1 min reload. But, anything a kv2 hits won't survive. Even Otto Carius was almost killed by a abomination of 152mm shell on his tiger. So if Ivan was good enough, he would ruin the day for Fritz. COH has a great engine by the way. A map that could be completely destroyed... Hoping that COH 3 is also a good game.
This is company of heroes why does it have to be realstic? The game would be much less fun, look at WT. The game never claimed to be realstic. Of course the KV-2 cannon can kill a Panther with one shot but it was never intended to shoot a tank and the let's you feel it. Can you imagine how broken an one shooting KV-2 would be, just flank a tiger and it would be gone. There is no tank in game that can one shoot any vehicle that's not an ambulance (a Sturmtiger can one shot trucks and light tanks but it's very slow and more than less an exception to the rule) because the game is designed to always give you a chance to react to the current situation, when you get surprised by an enemy tank and it landed the first hit your tank is not immediately destroyed but you can keep fighting, drop smoke and retreat or call some other abilities to still save it. It's the charm of company of heroes in my opinion. It makes the game more less frustrating. The game may not be realistic but it's realistic enough to understand the units and how they work at the first look you right away know an AT gun is good against tanks no matter the penetration rate, armor thickness etc... All you have to know is big scary tank = much health. It keeps the game simple while allowing you tactical freedom and keeps the gameplay fluid, you're much more likely to take a risk and play more aggressive when you know that your tank can take a couple of hits and can be easily repaired. Also the randomness is an interesting mechanic because it puts you in new situations sometimes because who likes to play a game of chess in which you always know which figures can beat the other, why would you keep fighting if you already know the results? Now imagine a realistic COH in which you just slowly move your units step by step because you expect an MG around every corner which can shred your units in a matter of seconds and you have to send a suicide squad every time before you move you tank a little bit because of your AT gun paranoia, if you still like your super expensive tank being snipped by a tank destroyer from across the map which also isn't even in your field of view, play some realism mod or another game.
This just kind of the game this not literally like same realistic, all person who make this game is not easy for to make it They just want to get player enjoy this game not just complain about something not realistic in the war
People complaining about accuracy in this game/video is like if someone started complaining how call of duty isnt realistic because you dont respawn in real life.
Wikinger does a great job in tank combat as well, and if you ask me. Wikinger feels cleaner than Spearhead :) not as much UI elements, not such over the top explosion effects for example a panzerfaust and unit descriptions which are less confusing all together with units which are not the same. But that's just my opinion
the kv2's loading speed is so bad im assuming because its not set up, in a game that thing would be parked and the panther would be trying to get around it
Failed to defend their opinions on those historical channels so criticizing a video game instead. Everyone who plays this game know that it is just a game, it isn't real. You don't need to remind us about this.
In fact, panther rake a lot of damage near dead KV2 be bance the shot so cant kill In the game KV2 even shoot faster the Panther, panther more like Heavy TD
That "superiority" did'nt actually last long with the soviets fielding more and more tanks with gun calibers reaching from 122mm up to 152mm, while the allies will bomb the sh*t out of them. but if alternative reality happened, like the if the famous "issues" that plagued most german tanks had during that war had been solved, together with the introduction of super tanks, that will make a difference
@@normanarmslave5144 122 and 152mm weren't fielded largely. And malfunction of tanks was pretty common if you consider the complexity of German tanks they were pretty durable. Also I never said Germany could have won the war I just said they had pretty awesome Tanks that were high quality and the Soviets had a lot of cheap tanks.
The inaccuracy of this is extremely inaccurate. Both would already been wrecked after 1 or 2 shots depends who got the best gun equipped and the ammo with that short of the range
What is a point of this comparison? This is mobile howitzer that need to set up, to bombard infantry. Versus T-4 Tank destroyer. Of course, TD will win.
Bruh it was an urban environment, they came around the corner and spotted each other. Also one shot from the KV2 would make everyone in the panther have the same operating capacity of a two year old.
@@Nate34 Agree it was urban. But you see, its very hard to hide the KV2. Therefore, an ambush with it is unlikely. An ambush with a panther was, frankly standard practice. So Kv2 hitting the pather would destroy it, but the chance of the KV2 firing first,before being spotted isn't very high. This scene is depicting both sides attacking, as they just moved around the corner....and usually one side is attacking while the other one waits. And in both cases the panther is more likely to spot the Kv2 then the other way around.
@@deeperthantheabyss624 The panther's turret was not exactly quick, but KV2 had a notoriously slow turret. The main problem of the KV2 would be not being spotted first.
I have always disliked the War Thunder and World of Tanks renditions of the KV-2 because of how overpowered they are. The KV-2 is mounting a 250mm siege gun built to knock down buildings and bunkers; and yet they use it like an anti tank gun. Sure in real life the Russians really did use it that way; but by mid-point in the war the Russians abandoned the KV-2 because it was slow and unreliable and moved to faster and stronger units like the IS series and the T series. What I like about company of heroes is that you have to work for your kills: it's sometimes a very intense game of David vs Goliath and Goliath vs Goliath. There's predator and prey moments; but sometimes it ends up being two predators trying to get the drop on the other. It's why players fear seeing units like Tigers and Pershings because they are tough to kill and powerful enough to kill most tanks in two hits. Real life speaking these tanks were knocking the blocks off enemy tanks on any front and even the T-34 was quaking in fear of the Tiger tanks. In company of heroes the gameplay balance is set to where you can lose a tank or two; but you can try the real tactics of WW2 to use the remaining tanks to get around the enemy tank. In WoT and War Thunder; it's just sit back and shoot... As realistic as that is; it isn't exactly fun when you're in an open field and some chad super tank is in the background picking off you and your artillery pieces; and War Thunder is trying too hard to be whatever game it feels like. Great games: But Company of Heroes is meant to immerse you into the horror and intensity of WW2 and let you experience what it's like trying to counter a foe that can and will easily kill you; unless you learn to use your strategic thinking. The other two it's like... "My strongest armor is facing you! You can't hurt me!" *Crappy penetrating shot from a low level Russian tank* "Hah! I blew up your Tiger using a 30mm gun!"
Pretty much, yeah. A few notes though. 1. KV-2 used 152mm gun 2. Common general purpose Soviet gun on early tanks was 45mm, rarely 37mm; no such thing as Soviet 30mm gun 3. Direct successor of KV-2 were SU-152 and ISU-152 - all three share gun caliber and heavy tank chassis, but SUs are casemates with greatly improved reliability. Turret isn't of much use when you fight an immobile bunker, too. T-series were mainly mediums and lights, and IS series were evolution of more general-purpose KV-1.
Oh God, in penetrating armor is the speed and hardness of the projectile, and that it is pointed and not of large caliber and explosive. This is a tank, not a fuel tank.
Its a 152mm shell, of either cement piercing, or high explosive. The cement piercing round wasnt strong enough to punch through most tanks armour, especially angled like the Panthers, and even the high explosive shell would have just exploded on the hull and not really done any damage. The crews ears would be bleeding, but it wouldnt have been enough to flat out kill them. So no, not BS.
Video: compares two in-game units with completely fictional perfromance
Comments: war about historical accuracy
War thunder: Haha 152mm goes 1 shot everything
Coh2: Help I can't kill this Sdkfz 222
As a derp gun enjoyer, i can relate
It's because 152mm can do nothing, KV-2 is just an heavy assault gun which can't even hit tiger, Tiger 1 can literally one shot KV-2.
FUN FACT: both tanks IRL suffers heavily on transmissions
Like almost every heavy tank in WW2
how is it a fun fact if that they both literally do
@@contentdeleted6428 Except IS-2 and KV-1S
Colorized footage of Adolfium fighting Stalinium
Adolfium? Hah never heard of it i think you mean
KRUPPSTALH
Bruh German tankers would have gone deaf or at least be dazed. I can't even imagine being in tight closed space and being shot at by a 152mm shell. I know I know it's not historically accurate, just giving you a perspective.
1 shell from kv2 and Panther tankers would be incapable to operate a tank well enough to destroy kv2. 😝
Thanks for the vid man
Didn't ask
There is no importance in caliber here, the most important is whether it is armor-piercing or explosive
Did you know tankers on WW2 wore protective headwear that protected their ears along with providing them with radios?
@@itsrexy8354 didn't ask
Didn't ask
You know that there's an element of random that can decrease/block damage from a hit? To do a proper comparison you should make at least around 100 tests.
or you can just display pure numbers from CoH wikia somewhere
I can hear the crew : reload!!! Reload!!!
When War Phunder decided to turned off the Overpressure a bit off on the HE it'll never splash damage Panther near a building.
Sdkfz 20mm vs panzer 2
Stop comparing people, in one side there is an PRE WAR, SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER, made For BUNKER BUSTING, and the other side is a MODERN LATE WAR MEDIUM TANK, this is balance, if we count the real reload, optics and aiming system, the KV-2 would never shoot first, but yes of course, if it somehow shot first and hitted the panther, all the Panther's crewmembers would turn to paste, but if the Panther shot first, which in all ocasions is more likely, it would penetrate easily due to it's high velocity gun, and kill most or all the crewmembers inside
but repeating, the KV-2 was not meant to shoot first, it was a howitzer in a KV-1 hull, and the Panther, as a medium tank, had a 75 mm to kill most things including tanks and good ergonomics to be the first to aim and shoot
COH is not about realism. It's about balance after all. It's a great game in my opinion, been playing since the first one released,back when my sempron 1.6ghz could barely handle it on low settings.
In real life? The panther would probably win this one. It was hard for every tank to hit on the first shot and while the panther was accurate and had a 9 seconds reload max, the kv2 was not really that accurate and had almost 1 min reload.
But, anything a kv2 hits won't survive. Even Otto Carius was almost killed by a abomination of 152mm shell on his tiger. So if Ivan was good enough, he would ruin the day for Fritz.
COH has a great engine by the way. A map that could be completely destroyed...
Hoping that COH 3 is also a good game.
The KV2 loaders were on steroids today
The fight became very close at the end…
*Endsieg intesifies*
This is company of heroes why does it have to be realstic? The game would be much less fun, look at WT. The game never claimed to be realstic. Of course the KV-2 cannon can kill a Panther with one shot but it was never intended to shoot a tank and the let's you feel it. Can you imagine how broken an one shooting KV-2 would be, just flank a tiger and it would be gone. There is no tank in game that can one shoot any vehicle that's not an ambulance (a Sturmtiger can one shot trucks and light tanks but it's very slow and more than less an exception to the rule) because the game is designed to always give you a chance to react to the current situation, when you get surprised by an enemy tank and it landed the first hit your tank is not immediately destroyed but you can keep fighting, drop smoke and retreat or call some other abilities to still save it. It's the charm of company of heroes in my opinion. It makes the game more less frustrating. The game may not be realistic but it's realistic enough to understand the units and how they work at the first look you right away know an AT gun is good against tanks no matter the penetration rate, armor thickness etc... All you have to know is big scary tank = much health. It keeps the game simple while allowing you tactical freedom and keeps the gameplay fluid, you're much more likely to take a risk and play more aggressive when you know that your tank can take a couple of hits and can be easily repaired. Also the randomness is an interesting mechanic because it puts you in new situations sometimes because who likes to play a game of chess in which you always know which figures can beat the other, why would you keep fighting if you already know the results? Now imagine a realistic COH in which you just slowly move your units step by step because you expect an MG around every corner which can shred your units in a matter of seconds and you have to send a suicide squad every time before you move you tank a little bit because of your AT gun paranoia, if you still like your super expensive tank being snipped by a tank destroyer from across the map which also isn't even in your field of view, play some realism mod or another game.
dont feed the troll
A Panther can also one-shot a KV, this is just how CoH works.
This just kind of the game this not literally like same realistic, all person who make this game is not easy for to make it
They just want to get player enjoy this game not just complain about something not realistic in the war
GERMAN ENGINEERING
Deutsche qualitäät
People complaining about accuracy in this game/video is like if someone started complaining how call of duty isnt realistic because you dont respawn in real life.
Meanwhile in WT...
Haha 152mm HE go BOOM!
Yeah, WT KV2 is just a point and click adventure game.
Can u do EZ8 vs T34/85 or Sherman 76mm HVAP vs T34/85?
Will do!
Spearhead makes this game much more fun, tank fights just became slugging matches before.
Wikinger does a great job in tank combat as well, and if you ask me. Wikinger feels cleaner than Spearhead :) not as much UI elements, not such over the top explosion effects for example a panzerfaust and unit descriptions which are less confusing all together with units which are not the same. But that's just my opinion
@@contentdeleted6428 Might try it out
@@PyroFTB did u try it?
@@sorinsalvetz9948 Can't remember, been a while since I've played CoH2
the kv2's loading speed is so bad im assuming because its not set up, in a game that thing would be parked and the panther would be trying to get around it
Failed to defend their opinions on those historical channels so criticizing a video game instead. Everyone who plays this game know that it is just a game, it isn't real. You don't need to remind us about this.
А режим все к орудию?
gErMaNs aRe BaLaNsEd
i really thought the kv2 would win :d
not with COH2 logic but in reality a 152 HE can literally implode the panther's turret
@@mccheesy9117 and the long 75 turns kvs into swiss cheese
@@nukesomething5518 lmao true a Panther would shred the crew of that KV2 in a long ranged fight
Those ricochet do really pisses me off
I mean. I was expecting the panther to win. But i got scared when i found the kv2 almost having same reload rate
0:37 that's when I knew kv 2 lost :(
No damage you can see
I don't know why Tank's machine gun is firing
In fact, panther rake a lot of damage near dead
KV2 be bance the shot so cant kill
In the game KV2 even shoot faster the Panther, panther more like Heavy TD
What if the KV2 deploys/barrage modes face to face?
ah yes. german tank superiority in CoH series
And IRL
That "superiority" did'nt actually last long with the soviets fielding more and more tanks with gun calibers reaching from 122mm up to 152mm, while the allies will bomb the sh*t out of them.
but if alternative reality happened, like the if the famous "issues" that plagued most german tanks had during that war had been solved, together with the introduction of super tanks, that will make a difference
@@normanarmslave5144 122 and 152mm weren't fielded largely. And malfunction of tanks was pretty common if you consider the complexity of German tanks they were pretty durable. Also I never said Germany could have won the war I just said they had pretty awesome Tanks that were high quality and the Soviets had a lot of cheap tanks.
I got hit by a 170mm Koksan in Ukraine and im still alive inside a tank but immobilize our tank
"realism"
Why does every game have to be realstic?
The inaccuracy of this is extremely inaccurate. Both would already been wrecked after 1 or 2 shots depends who got the best gun equipped and the ammo with that short of the range
The game is generally unrealistic and you know what? It's better so
Question. Is the KV2 in turret mode in this video?
No it’s standard
I dont see wehraboos crying balance
Jackson vs Firefly
What is a point of this comparison? This is mobile howitzer that need to set up, to bombard infantry. Versus T-4 Tank destroyer. Of course, TD will win.
It’s all just for fun
Man's just out 'ere trying to make a video for us cuzzy! Trynna entertain us yutes!
Very unrealistic .
The pather would have spotted him and one shot him from far,far away.
Bruh it was an urban environment, they came around the corner and spotted each other. Also one shot from the KV2 would make everyone in the panther have the same operating capacity of a two year old.
@@Nate34
Agree it was urban.
But you see, its very hard to hide the KV2. Therefore, an ambush with it is unlikely.
An ambush with a panther was, frankly standard practice.
So Kv2 hitting the pather would destroy it, but the chance of the KV2 firing first,before being spotted isn't very high.
This scene is depicting both sides attacking, as they just moved around the corner....and usually one side is attacking while the other one waits.
And in both cases the panther is more likely to spot the Kv2 then the other way around.
@@garathminis5108 yup plus the hull turn rate of the KV2 is super slow whilst a panthers is quick
@@deeperthantheabyss624
The panther's turret was not exactly quick, but KV2 had a notoriously slow turret.
The main problem of the KV2 would be not being spotted first.
Very unrealistic.
The KV2 would have taken the shell like it was nothing, fired and just torn the Panther to shreds with the HE shell
I have always disliked the War Thunder and World of Tanks renditions of the KV-2 because of how overpowered they are.
The KV-2 is mounting a 250mm siege gun built to knock down buildings and bunkers; and yet they use it like an anti tank gun. Sure in real life the Russians really did use it that way; but by mid-point in the war the Russians abandoned the KV-2 because it was slow and unreliable and moved to faster and stronger units like the IS series and the T series.
What I like about company of heroes is that you have to work for your kills: it's sometimes a very intense game of David vs Goliath and Goliath vs Goliath. There's predator and prey moments; but sometimes it ends up being two predators trying to get the drop on the other.
It's why players fear seeing units like Tigers and Pershings because they are tough to kill and powerful enough to kill most tanks in two hits.
Real life speaking these tanks were knocking the blocks off enemy tanks on any front and even the T-34 was quaking in fear of the Tiger tanks. In company of heroes the gameplay balance is set to where you can lose a tank or two; but you can try the real tactics of WW2 to use the remaining tanks to get around the enemy tank.
In WoT and War Thunder; it's just sit back and shoot... As realistic as that is; it isn't exactly fun when you're in an open field and some chad super tank is in the background picking off you and your artillery pieces; and War Thunder is trying too hard to be whatever game it feels like.
Great games: But Company of Heroes is meant to immerse you into the horror and intensity of WW2 and let you experience what it's like trying to counter a foe that can and will easily kill you; unless you learn to use your strategic thinking.
The other two it's like... "My strongest armor is facing you! You can't hurt me!" *Crappy penetrating shot from a low level Russian tank*
"Hah! I blew up your Tiger using a 30mm gun!"
Pretty much, yeah.
A few notes though.
1. KV-2 used 152mm gun
2. Common general purpose Soviet gun on early tanks was 45mm, rarely 37mm; no such thing as Soviet 30mm gun
3. Direct successor of KV-2 were SU-152 and ISU-152 - all three share gun caliber and heavy tank chassis, but SUs are casemates with greatly improved reliability. Turret isn't of much use when you fight an immobile bunker, too.
T-series were mainly mediums and lights, and IS series were evolution of more general-purpose KV-1.
@@anonim-8572 Yeah I figured I got that wrong.
At the very least I'm happy others agree that the other games tend to be stupid overpowered and broken
@@starlightdragon2665 I did not say that
@@anonim-8572 I know. Saw other people's comments; not quoting you
Make of coh1
Vanilla game by lelic
Bullshit. in real life kb2 has more power then panthera
???
This is fake!
wtf
Lol get hit by a 152mm shell and still be alive? BS
Oh God, in penetrating armor is the speed and hardness of the projectile, and that it is pointed and not of large caliber and explosive. This is a tank, not a fuel tank.
Its a 152mm shell, of either cement piercing, or high explosive. The cement piercing round wasnt strong enough to punch through most tanks armour, especially angled like the Panthers, and even the high explosive shell would have just exploded on the hull and not really done any damage. The crews ears would be bleeding, but it wouldnt have been enough to flat out kill them. So no, not BS.
@@itsrexy8354 its a howitzer shell. It doesnt need to penetrate. Just break them into pieces. images.app.goo.gl/YTLzLmFhxYRFMTPe8
@@theqillingmachine2141
Thank you
@@cyanide7270
Man, This is 152 HE shell, it doesnt need to penetrate the armor. It blows up the metal
One of the worst and unrealistic games
Play life. I heard it's very realistic.
Bruh
@@benedictjajo no, men of war is realistic
who ask?
@@sohrab1990 ha, haha, hahaha, no, no it isnt. not at all.