Awkward Truth: Reviewing Leaked JW Videos (Vol. 2)
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- Secret training videos recently leaked on Reddit hint at a culture of hypocrisy, favoritism and intimidation among elders of Jehovah's Witness congregations.
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I legitimately went to the elders at one point and asked for this "help" they were tossing around. I was told, "sometimes you just have to not do it." This followed a lengthy story about a man who loved gay orgies and then became a JW. He still loved gay orgies, but just "didn't do it." That was the advice I was given. I quit a year later after 35 years.
Yup, they need to dramatise that example as well 😅
@@Ballykeith Yes! But make it a "bible times" drama. I want to see nothing but fake beards, robes and buh-holes.
What a stupid logical fallacy. Why not just ... orgies.
A non JW man who marries someone will stop going to orgies for the sake of a committed relationship. In essence they are falsely comparing the basic concept of marriage to celibacy.
Lyod am from Ghana in Africa I just I just relieved myself and eldership for now I am the first ex jw to be publicly expose the Jw and its not easy expecialy in Africa
Sorry to hear about your situation..If I may ask, how were you exposed?
I belive it was a mistype, and meant he is doing the "exposing" of the org.
You are not alone, stranger, seek healing
Which part of Ghana are you .... Am in kumasi
Be strong and be persistent, wishing you the best.
I really can't with religious people who think they need to judge others. Men of course. Using a book written by men based on books written by men who claim god inspired it. Stay out of people's personal lives unless someone is being harmed, in which case, call the police--actual authorities who are trained and have the power to protect people.
@SaffronHammer,
Exactly. Thank you.
"Awkward" is an understatement.
45:27 As an unbaptised publisher, still on the fence, I found this interesting and am astonished there are "rules" that the whole congregation is not aware of that can impact their lives so much. Thank you Lloyd for reviewing and explaining in such clear detail.
I'm still PIMO as I have family in...........😮
They're actually showing that it's different rules for elders😮
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
Pot kettle springs to mind 😊
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone,.That verse has been removed from the NWT.
@@Karl-dd4om Wow, really!? I didn't know............🙄
They even said it out loud again. "We need follow the guidance from the slave." This whole charade of "let's ask Jehovah" is so ridiculous considering there is NEVER an answer from the big guy and they just use their own logic and books anyhow.
I love how the so-called *Slave* gets to tell everyone what to do and not do 🤔
Like when they say: "You need to study the Bible." What that really means is: "You need to study the publications of the organization."
Good commentary ! Their tone of voice is nauseating
Even in my country they talk with the same hypocrite tone.
It's about being mild mannered and humble.
No normal human talks like that, @@Karl-dd4om, unless they ride the special bus.
Isn’t it sickening!
He's obviously a bad un, he's got a bow tie on and his socks don't match the rest of the borg! 🤣🤣🤣
What they don't show is that in the future, this elder body will probably find a way to remove the young elder who disagreed. He will not fit in, didn't follow the body, etc. etc. Therefore, another injustice.
They eventually will either frame him up, or begin to look for faults so as to eject him from the "body".
I remember an elder telling me about a traveling overseer that required them to raise their hands if they wanted to speak. He was so angry being treated like a child. On stage the guy came across as a super star but off the stage he was a total nut.
Why is he telling them about his wife . What if she didn't want that info out there
Cant wait for you to review the one about the elders kids going to higher education
You know, I think this is the video that national institutions need to watch when deciding whether the influence of Jehovah's witnesses should be supervised or limited somehow. Nothing could speak clearer than their own material. Also, this should be in the dictionary when you look up "cringe".
I bet that most people in this day and age couldn't even imagine this degree of overstepping personal boundaries and not caring for other people's privacy. It is simply beyond common imagination.
Pffffffff Brother Johnson!... Brother Johnson... Whoever wrote this thing was snickering aaall the way through.
Yup, Brother Johnson needs to keep his *johnson* in his pants 😂
No, this is not being for this dude's best interest. It's ONLY about executing policies and keeping THEMSELVES from ridicule as a body.
Anyone else wondering if Brother Johnson was using that very same tablet to bash the bishop?
Future Shepherd books will recommend a backlight inspection of the accused’s device 🤣
May even be bookmarked
The younger elder was basically guilty himself, probably the older guy too l o l
Ahem. Those in the Truth do not use the term "bash the bishop".
It's "slap the Circuit Overseer".
@@TttTtt-zo7kt thanks for the heads-up 👍🏻
Lloyd I have a question. Do the elders really talk like that? I noticed in all these videos they all have this methodical sing-song way of talking. "Now brothers let's look at the book" it just seems like such an unnatural cadence of speaking. Especially Steven Lett every time I hear him speak I feel like I'm a child back in kindergarten. No one really talks like that in regular congregations do they???
I reckon there's a tendency for people - at least those giving talks - to naturally adopt the speech style of the organisation, certainly the religion they join, it's an automatic way of affirming one's group identity. I've also noticed a particular cadence used by islamic speakers.
Not all but there is definitely a bunch of low IQ elders that try to adopt this way of speaking.
@susancarraher7721,
I think they do it because they want to sound authoritative. They do talk so childlike in these videos, these men... whether they be Bethelites or real-life Elders. I think it's because they want their followers to unquestionably obey them like they feel a child should do to their parents or guardians. They want to remind congregants of who the boss in the Kingdom Hall is. It's Regina George, Queen Bee-like behavior if you ask me.
They want to be seen as humble and mild mannered.
I call it elderese speech - affected, insincere and inauthentic.
Well, Brother Wilson, you really are an annoying fly in the ointment aren't you!!! Just wait! We'll get you back!
What this series proves is that there is ZERO holy spirit or Jehovah or whoever else's guiding these men especially in disciplinary matters. Just imperfect, untrained people letting their own imperfections and prejudices guide them to make decisions that end up affecting others' lives.
Also it made me laugh the level of excuses that they drafted for this man's tripping:
- didn't grow up as a JW (because if you are born-in you wouldn't dare watching it or wouldn't have access to it??? 😂😂😂)
- wife is menopausal (ofc had to be the wife's fault wouldn't align with the Bible's history that the entire human race was doomed because of a woman 😂😂😂)
Instead of taking accountability for his actions (which anywhere else would be normal btw), he's shifting blame and divulging his wife's personal business. Very commendable indeed.
This training series is a real gem in making people realise what kind of cult they are in. I hope as many of them as possible see it.
What I find troubling is that the brother wasn’t encouraged to seek help or even confess to his wife, because I know that if the roles were reversed, she wouldn’t be spoken to without her husband present, so to embarrase her further.
Elders meetings are a joke there’s so much toxicity, bias and clicks that was a real wake-up call for me!
@ll Less than 4 Years ago I know an Elders wife who was talking about how mad she was that her Husband would rather watch por@ than Have relations with her. That was from a congregation in Detroit MI. that I use to attend. And I heard about all the whileat that time I was DF' after I came back I was like you guys realize that everyone knows.. but nothing was done about it. Lol
Can you imagine going to a 4 hour meeting to talk about somebody's cornography viewing habits
Just imagine, 4 hours of being shamed and intimidated! Being an elder and being able to do that to others must be a narcissist's wet dream ...😬
I am an ex Catholic, and I thought confession as a religious duty was pretty bad, but this is much worse.
I’m pretty sure that Bro Martin is actually Bill Miller. He was a CO that served my former congregation in the late 90’s. He also was an instructor at an elders school I attended some years later. Of course that has been a few years ago as well. I guess what I am saying is the video is definitely legit. Funny how calm he is for this video, he sure as hell was anything but that when be served the congregation. Of course the congregation was the talk of the circuit at the time and not in an “exemplary” sort of way. 🤣🤣
I first saw this book in the house of an elder during a course for pioneers, and I was in complete shock. We had to prepare a topic for the next day, and since we (group of pioneers) were in this house, we had permission to use their home library. I think he forgot about the book.
I couldn’t believe what I was seeing! But the worst part was the notes in the margins made by this elder: 'Disfellowship! Disfellowship!' I finished the course, but I knew something was wrong. Cognitive dissonance.
lol! "Brother Johnson"...oh good grief. This is all so ridiculous and painful to watch...cry heartfelt tears when I'm not laughing at their pious faces:/ Run away. Run away. Run away.:/
So on the thought of looking at a woman so as to have a passion, entails more to pursue her, to wanting to have relations with her, or him for that matter, also deaden our body parts but they leave out that it specifically refers to fornication, disloyalty to one's marriage partner, ect. Not once does they Bible refer to self gratification which , I mean this man already said things aren't happening in the bedroom, I would prefer my husband choking the chicken than actually having an affair, an affair would also not just be releasing natural urges but a relationship which is much deeper, also how bout the Bible also speaking of not denying each other, why isn't that taken into account, shouldn't this be a discussion then with both husband and wife? Yes he didn't tell her, so also the secrecy encouraged towards women is just nauseating. Most religious leaders not just JW in my opinion follow closely behind the Pharisees making their own rules and regulations. For me if its not in the Bible its not from God the end.
I love how that their choice of words show that the crime is "confessing" as it could lead "unfavorable" perception. If no one knows - it's not an issue.
That's why the org mistreats CSA survivors. It doesn't care about truth or safety - it cares about perpetuating the illusion.
It's all about keeping up appearances.
@@PdZ2012 Yes Mrs Solcum lol
Interesting how they give the most relatable situation; a respected, beloved, married man who abandoned "the world" and risen to the rank of "elder" - a man who has humbly confessed out of his love of the org, and his 'god'.
His reward? Shame. His spiritual guidance? Nonexistent. The compassion for him? Trumped by bylaws. Any "help" or "advice"? Blunt platitudes, cold disaffected scripture reading. His privacy? Violated. His self confidence? Trampled. His private shame? A topic of group debate. Comfort? Just lip-service.
Who is this for? Does shaming him improve his spirituality? Does it protect the members of the congregation from any threat? Does it provide anyone comfort? Does it help improve morality for anyone? Does it teach anyone how to live a better life?
It's just control.
Part of me can only wonder if they do this to sift out the ones who are willing to confess. What you have left after this is a bunch of two faced men lying to each other and themselves. Bliss in ignorance.
Absolutely well said!
The next verse: Matthew 5:29 'If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.'
They love to cherry pick which of Jesus' teachings they obey.
17:34 It is if you define remarkable as cringe-worthy and self serving...
Edit: 31:14 Brother _Johnson?_ Someone in the video production department has a sense of humour.
Also why are they talking about things that were private? Like giving his name and what he’s doing?
Like since I’m Catholic priests have to not tell anyone privately. Like at confession. Or if you have a talk with your priest. It’s an actual law.
Does make sense?
Moshi
@24:32 Why does this feel Like a Coporate Sales meeting 🤣. They might as well be investment bankers. It just feels so man made.
Why brother Johnson? 😂😂
When I was a ministerial servant, I remember an elder who took money from the donations. I thougt he was gonna be disfellowshiped, but nothing happened. Later another elder told me "we can't disfellowship him, because is gonna be negative For the others brothers". I was amazed to hear that, cause I realized that they have two sizes for to judge.
Well Bro Johnson got some of his own medicine im sure he would have been on judicial committee's asking personal questions to young Ladies and Females.
What goes around comes around.
Back in the day the Mormons were no different. They had two administrative handbooks. The second one was available to everyone, and the first one was to be kept under lock and key. I managed to "acquire" one of those privileged handbooks back in the day and actually got into trouble for it.
My dad was JW elder when I was kid and I tried to my best to find the book, I knew it was somewhere inside our home, but he had it really good hide, never found it. I have now digital copy of my own, bad me, as female I shouldnt read it. ooops. 😂
10:30... learning the truth? What is the truth? Truth is the same at any time, lies are flexible and have new versions the pending of circumstances. That is exactly what is happening in Jehovah's Witnesses teaching, or propaganda - if you say in different ways.
So if they want to have a clear conscious, according to the Bible they should tell the elders every time they had looked at a woman and found her attractiv, coz that apparently adultery 🙄
There would be judicial meetings day and night 😂
Just say, “I don’t answer any questions” and all this nonsense can be avoided.
I did. They visited me 5 more times and then told the congregation I left simply cause I refused talk with them.
They have rules but they can violate them and no one cares. They can disfellowship those they dont like or let stay in their sinning friends. Then they will simply lie to cong and CO too... The worst thing is when I tell others the elders lie they tell me Jehovah will make it ok in his time. And that they must obey them. That is really waw.
I’ve known of an elder who was cheating on his wife with a married member of the congregation and since her husband was disfellowshipped at the time he found out and no one else knew, the elder was able to stay on.
What about child SA, is that abhorrent?
I can vouch for the validity of this video, I KNOW the bow-tied brother "Johnson" from my days as a JW! 😂
Lloyd, for years I have followed critique on JW. You are always on point. Also, I LOVE your BROOM ON shirt, and how you are grooming yourself now.
24:21 I have to be honest and say that it is absolutely superb how that brother gives the tattler a bollocking for being a snitch. Snitches should *always* be held to account for what they do, epecially a self-righteous one like him. Kudos to that Elder giving the bollocking.
Yeah Lloyd! Thank you!!!
What a bunch of crazy people and horrible thing to do to people and a lot of silly nonsense
Maybe the title of this video should have been "Grand Climax at Hand."😂
This is madness...creazy...😮
Glad to see how well you are looking, Lloyd. 😀
In my 40 years in, I was never comfortable with my own thoughts, because I was TERRIFIED of the damn ‘thought police’ 😂 I can giggle about it now, but it was a horrible way to have to live my life. One of the greatest freedoms I’ve received from leaving is a peaceful, quiet mind ☺️
This is like out of a twilite zone episode.
The guy who plays Garland Johnson doesn't give a terrible performance! The hand wringing is overdone, but his line deliveries were more natural than most, and he has an interesting face. With some work he would be castable in character parts.
Covering up the bad conduct of elders has become the order of the day. My "former" East Orlando (Dean Rd) congregation is a glaring example of that. I know elders who admit to watching R rated movies, who entertain themselves with combat sports such as boxing and MMA, who admit that they have elder peers who regularly use profane language, who drink excessively and so on and so forth. One elder who used to counsel me on my marriage when I was in complains regularly on how miserable he is in his marriage. One servant regularly attends festive events and talks of how he's gonna get seriously buzzed and if anyone is stumbled by it, that's their problem. Half the servant body has been disfellowshipped in the past. Covering up their sins while going after and marking individuals sins. They wonder why they're not trusted by congregation members. It disgusts me the double standard. That's why I left in Jan this year.
Brother Johnson playing with his Johnson too much
Its so sad how this guys sit around the 'brother' deciding about his personal life and he has no say at all. I remember the day when I just had enough and in the midst of my fourth judicial comitee I got up and left for good.. the price is high, you get ostracized by your family and social circle at the hardest time of your life.
He wanted to Bring it up to the brothers and get the matter handled 😂😂😂😂
This stuff writes its self
Hilarious. I didn't remove them because they're all doing it too. Give me a break
Ofsted in a school Requires improvement.....
Elders - Managers
Just finished reading both of your books......thank you
I truly appreciate your deep study of occult Bible for body of elders.
If they give everyone all the information, like what happens to you if you do something they deem wrong, then their love bombing stage would not work for the narcissists. Here are the rules for some and here are the rules for others. Its so frustrating and so sad to see this. Thanks Lloyd for continuing to expose this informstion. I appreciate you helping others to see what they are in.
Almost like dungeon and dragons
Bahahaha 😂🤦
Fully Messed up!!
Great series Lloyd!
It’s funny how easy and cooperative everyone and everything is. I wish life was like a JW video, nonstop laughter
Yes aware of 3 active JW who are homosexuals but promise to be good members and are A ok in the congregation
Unbelievable.
Walker William Moore Margaret Young Sandra
Brown Maria Hall Matthew Robinson Jose
Love the t-shirt!
"get off," 🤪
🤣ooah ooah
You speak such a clear understandable English. I'm not English but I hear you so easily compared to some other english speaking. You made me fall inlove with you. I wish you were in Frica🙈
I'm referring to you Lloyd😂
Cult
How dare they say they are the only ones going to be in the system of things . That attitude is sickening
The listen to their cult leaders
@@Sunshine22896 You do know, "the system of things" is referring to this present existing system!
A hard felt desire come on 😂😂
Holy cow is it just me ? Or does anyone else notice his last name ( Johnson ) they keep saying his name but they emphasize it !! Boy these men are something talk about pornography there are books are littered with pornography
There can't be repercussions against elder bodies that don't follow procedure because then there would be no elder bodies.
The COs all limit themselves to one or two pet peeves and correct those, leaving the mess for the next CO. It takes a lot of effort to get removed as an elder, it seems.
This is unbelievable .
Can get off 😂😂😂 nice
This is BRILLIANT, GO LLOYDIE
The admission of the double standard is indeed remarkable. The attitude of the JWs, from the members to the elders and above, is that these are God's chosen people and processes, so the double standard is justified simply on the basis that God does not make mistakes! All reasoning otherwise be damned!
So have they checked the GB secreat reference library. to check what kind of puinishment it should be for the type of adult entertaiment he looked at.
That passage about Jesus has nothing to do with these fools
😅😅😅
reminds me of MTS skits that we perform.
I love your videos - I learn so much!!
Bruce Rivers. Stop the self snitchin.
Following Brother Martin's masterful presentation of the correct judicial procedure in this matter, why is Brother Johnson *still* sitting there (in his fawn socks)? He needs to walk now.
It’s like a weird reboot of A Few Good Men 😂
@@LloydEvans,
I've never seen that movie, but on a true crime-themed TH-cam that I regularly watch, the host posted a video where he talked about the young man whose life story inspired the film. The real story sounded much darker and more tragic than the movie. I believe that the young man's family didn't approve of the film at all.
@@LloydEvans yes, or 12 Angry Men 😅 It justly deserved its wider audience 🍿
The face you make before the footage starts 😅😂.this is so cultish am glad am out ,nosy elders!
I fapped to this .