@Not so Wealthy Gamer I know man, shit had to be taken right then otherwise it wouldn't have shown up. Its something small but it's still crazy to me 😂
Man, you completely forgot Mehmet Okur who was the predecessor of that big man shooting threes era. The success his Utah Jazz had in second half of 2000s didn't go unnoticed.
The Bad Boy Pistons has Bill Laimbeer spacing out the floor as a 3 point shooter at the C Position. It definitely helped our Guards take it the hole or kick out as defense brokedown.
The rise, decline and revival of the Center position and how basketball teams are built kind of reminds me of the running back position in football. Back in the day football offenses were built around a dominant running game and running backs were bigger stars even than some quarterbacks. But thanks to a combination of rule changes that opened up the passing game and teams taking advantage of them as well as many teams now a days deciding to save money on the salary cap by going “running back by committee” instead of paying them huge salaries. And teams like the Denver Broncos and their talent for finding backs in the later rounds of the draft or even undrafted free agents that could crank out 1,000 yards like clockwork. The position seemed to be not as a necessity as it had been in the past. Heck there wasn’t even a single running back taken in the first round of the draft for two straight years this decade. Now it looks like Todd Gurley, Zeke Elliot, Leveon Bell, and Saquan Barkley the tide may be swinging in favor of them again.
You should do the evolution of the power forward position and how it used to be used as the more dominant position in the 80s and 90s and 2000s and how now it is one of the weakest positions in the nba like how the centers were in 2011-2015
@@JoeBro915 You are about to see a more SKILLED BIG in Anthony Davis to replace Boogie Cousins Stretch-5 Floor Spacing for the Lakers. Anthony Davis replaced Kyle Kuzma at the 4-spot, letting McGee & Dwight Howard bang in the paint against bruiser-style Centers. Increased assist total & 37% for 3-pointers. 😀😀😀 Ballhandler skills of a former point guard that experienced a tremendous growth spurt.
Wilt and russel do not have nearly as much skill and finesse as today’s centers. They were GREAT, but not as good as centers like Demarcus Cousins who uses more that just physical dominance. You can’t tell me the competition today is easier that it was in the 60’s
@@sammyjero1986 Russell does everything that guys like Clint capela, Ben Wallace, Draymond green, Kenneth Faried, Jared Allen, Tyson Chandler do. Not every center is a finesse center today. And wilt was much more than just power. Not only is he a monster athlete. but he had quick feet, ran the floor like a deer, was an elite passer, great rebounder, had all types of fadeaway, hook shots, etc. Both would excell in any era. EPESCIALLY given that they would grow up in todays game and would be taught how to adjust. and they would be allowed to be alot more physical than in their heavy rule driven era where any amount of physicality would be called an offensive foul, where as today the rules favor the offenseive player.
@@TheIcemanthomas You said it perfectly. Brought up the skill set AND the fact that players from back then would have access to advanced sports science, weight training, nutrition, and learning from past greats. The fact that Wilt came off a knee injury that was thought to be career ending in the 69 season and averaged 21 point, 18 rebounds, and played 44 minutes a game for all 82 games the very next season just shows what a freak he is.
sammy jero dude Russell and wilt will do perfectly fine in today’s era on just wilt athletic body no center in this day of age will even keep up with him or contain him unless Russell. Since he knew how to defend him extremely well and even then wilt might still average 25+. You should look up on wilt he was incredible
@@sammyjero1986 I'm not sure you're aware of how skilled Wilt was. He was one of the first to ever use the fadeaway. Most give credit to Jordan for that, but Wilt did it long before him. Nevermind the fact that he was stronger than Shaq, even with a slimmer frame. Russell, on the other hand, if you were to pluck him right out of his era and put him into today's era, I'm not sure he'd be as successful. But he would definitely be a perennial DPOY who could probably be the best running big man in the league.
Between 2010 and 2015; yes centers were awful, but Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol and Chris Bosh were in my opinion very good at the center position in that time period. The statistical category you gave about rebounds is a little bit misleading because Marc Gasol and Bosh were not high volume rebounders. Zach Randolph was the main rebounder for Memphis and rebounding wasn't the identity of the Miami Heat (who were known at the time for fading into transition defence immediately in most situations and not even going for O boards).
Kbuss04 Joel embiid is no different than the centers before him and the already 3 point heavy nba. Jokic changed the mold, jokic is the future and the evolution. Embiid is not the evolution of anything
Fantastic bro i loved every second of it. Even when presented with a lot information i already knew you kept me engaged! You also did a great job of staying unbiased and not being argumentative and rather informative I loved it!
I feel like theres gonna be a ultra mega bigman that will be something we've never seen before that can combine all aspects of every great bigs game. Someone with elite athelticism, a low post game, agile enough to defend on the perimeter but still a great rim protector, elite passer in transition. in the halfcourt and out of the post, and can shoot from anywhere. I feel it coming within the next decade.
Closest thing to this has been Hakeem Olajuwon. He was a elite rime protector who was fast enough to guard perimeter players. He also had a solid jump shot and took ocasional 3’s his post game was nearly unstoppable. He also avg. around 3 assist a game. He was a monster and if a player similar to Hakeem comes into the league that can shoot consistent 3’s and Pass Great that would be a sight to see
CPGoat #3 What about the Greek freak?!?! I’d say he basically checks off every category you mentioned. With the exception of “elite shooter, able to shoot from anywhere” Other than that tho........ athleticism on 💯, he’s a great defender. Rim protector fo sho. As well as being quick enough to guard the perimeter. Transition/fast break game.... I don’t even need to say anything. So ya, basically Giannis checks off all those. Let him develop a consistent long range/3 ball jump shot within a few years. 😳 terrifying 😱 he’s the new breed/ next generation type of NBA athlete.
Without his injuries, Joakim Noah could have been the perfect evolution of the defensive center. His passing was the perfect compliment to his defensive prowess, giving him a larger role on the offensive end than previous defensive centers like Camby, Mutombo, and Big Ben.
@@carlosyanes3453 TBF, he already had a solid mid-range shot. It was ugly as sin, but it went it. I think he would have been smart enough to expand his range out more if he were still relied upon as much as he was in Chicago.
Always love your content LoW. Really spot on analysis and finished the entire video without knowing it. it's awesome to learn from TH-camrs like you man.
Robert Than you have defensive centers such as Myles Turner, Gobert, Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, Steven Adams, Clint Capella, Nurkic, Jarrett Allen,Gasol, Willie caulie stein and Whiteside.If you look at every playoff team they have a good to great Center with some exceptions in the west the dubs have Cousins, the nuggets have Jokic, the thunder have Adams, the blazers have Nurkic, the rockets have Capella, the jazz have Gobert, the spurs have LaMarcus or jokab and the kings have Willie caullie stein. The east has brook lopez for the bucks, Gasol for the raptors, Turner for the pacers, al Horford for the Celtics, Joel Embiid for the sixers, Jarrett Allen for the nets and Whiteside for the heat. The hornets don’t have a good Center.
Interesting video, but putting Mikan in the same area as Russell, Petit, Chamberlain, and Russell is a poor one. HE was the architect of the center position that those other players followed, which you can see by looking at when Mikan's career ended and when these other players' times in the league began.
Mikan was a mosnter during his time and dominated the league. He forced a lot of rule change which is a testament to his dominance. Also he played with eyegalsses.
loved this video thanks. Would appreciate if you cover all the positions then some of the different coaching systems, ie like flow offense vs triangle offense
The main reason why the golden age of big men wasn’t as successful as past eras was because of one man. Michael Jordan changed the paradigm of dynastic teams. He became the first perimeter player to dominate the nba in chips and statistics without a dominant front court/great big man. The rise of MJ also led to the fruitless search for “the next MJ” and rule changes to allow perimeter players to thrive offensively. MJ changed how centers were looked at as the dominant back bone of any dynastic team. I know LOW went in on this slightly but I wanted elaborate on that a little more.
Actually Isiah Thomas and the Pistons change that narrative no dominate center and no dominate power forward there elite force was Isiah and Dumars the greatest backcourt ever shame Kobe didn't get to play with prime CP3 cause that would've trumped that duo
@@lamar1990lg true....very true in fact. But due to the pistons and their dirty, sewage defence, they tarnished their own image and legacies. No one even thinks of them in the late 80s and early 90s. It's always magic and Kareem and straight to MJ. it's a shame but no one likes dirty players
@@orueom7720 there were a lot of teams playing like that they were a product of how teams played in the 70's go watch nba basketball the reason they're not favored is because of what Dennis Rodman said about Larry Bird and Isiah backed that notion which is true not taking away his greatness because Larry Bird is in my Top 5 Modern Era which is 1979 to present day but ever since then hated by the league so then they started playing like 70's basketball which the league David Stern was trying to rid of so Michael Jordan bypass Isiah as the face of the NBA even though Isiah was the head of the players agreement deal committee.
DAMN shame how Jordan devalued the Center position. 😞😞😞😞 Chicago Bulls Centers were known as the "3-headed monster." 18 fouls between the 3 of them, SAD !!! Luc Longley Will Perdue Bill Wennington
The 90s had high-level center talent, but it's not "deep". There were 5 or 6 actually good centers, then it drops off from there with the other 20 or so starting centers. In the 60s and 70s, the league was filled and concentrated not only with elite top-level center talent, but they were very deep.
Tan Wanli There are a lot of underrated players that no one talks/ really knows about from the 90s. Thats one of the main reasons only 5-6 guys are talked about
He's a defensive center who, at this point, I'm still not sure we've seen the best of, because he spent a long time basically facilitating Westbrook. Also, he's a treasure.
@@aaronghunter lol...facilitating Westbrook? And what are his stats with Westbrook gone? Don't do that. Steven Adams is a very nice person but don't lift him up where he doesn't belong. He's a good player, that's all
Top 5 centers in the league 1 Jokic top 5 offensive player in the league. His skill set is so unique and valuable and he leads the 3rd best team in the West with no other all stars 2 Embiid (most dominant center in the league, his offensive and defensive game are truly spectacular) 3 Rudy Gobert (best defender in the league) 4 KAT (Offensive superstar, disappointing defensively) 5 Al Horford (he fits so perfectly into any offensive or defensive system. Also, there is something to be said about his ability to shut down embiid)
WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER FROM 1960-1972 Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF Dennis Awtrey: 6'11" Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0" Nate Bowmen: 6'11" Mel Counts: 7'0" Walter Dukes: 7'0" Jim Eakins: 6'11" Ray Felix: 6'11" Hank Finkel: 7'0" Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF Swede Halbrook: 7'3" Reggie Harding: 7'0" Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF Jim McDaniels: 6'11" Otto Moore: 6'11" Dave Newmark: 7'0" Rich Niemann: 7'0" Billy Paultz: 6'11" Craig Raymond: 6'11" Elmore Smith: 7'0" Chuck Share: 6'11" Ronald Taylor: 7'1" Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF Walt Wesley: 6'11"
This is a REALLY good video that helps in understanding how the 5 evolved - in a nutshell. You missed to include Sam Perkins and Arvydas Sabonis, 2 centers who gave us a glimpse of the 3-point shooting bigs today. They were considered "unconventional" in their era, but would be highly sought after in today's game.
Good video bro, I appreciate it, but you gotta be a little more elaborate in your verbiage and not rely on overusing vague words like "dominance". I know everyone will just call me a hater, but only trying to help. Keep at it, will look forward to future content. EDIT: Again, just want to reiterate, I REALLY DID like this a lot, especially the second half.
Ish Will no it just shows how it has changed as the video is talking about I mean most real contenders have a true passing/playmaking big man who can also bring the ball up the court that is how the center has changed
Jacob Delgado bro your point draymond got suspended game 5 for no reason and just that did not have their best series just chill don’t show up like they blew a 3-1 lead every time their 73-9 season
1985-1999 Golden Age Big Men Kareem Moses Robert parish Ewing Shaq David Robinson Hakeem Olajuwon Mourning Mutombo Laimbeer Daugherty Karl Malone Shawn Kemp
2010-2014/5 really some of the least talented years in NBA history, look at the top players they were too old and on the decline or too young and haven't hit their prime yet
you called it. Centers matter again. For a while centers were just line cloggers, but this final 4 showed you need centers. Jokic, Bam, and AD showed what a good modern center should be. Gives me hope for guys like KAT, Ayton, etc.
So no one notices how at 3:44 his wristband blends in perfectly with the backboard lol
That's crazy actually. What are the odds that both are the exact same shade of white
Good call
@Not so Wealthy Gamer I know man, shit had to be taken right then otherwise it wouldn't have shown up. Its something small but it's still crazy to me 😂
I thought it was photoshopped bro nice eyes men
I do!
do the evolution of point guards next @LegendofWinning
I was legit about to comment this, I would eat that video up, as this one was already amazing
Pgs are not really diff
Michael Mayers they changed severely from the time of the 60s to now
Michael Mayers They have changed a lot, they are now combo guards. Pgs play like shooting guards at the 1 spot.
Derrick Rose is the OG of these new generation scoring PGs. What point guard was avg 25+pts b4 Derrick?
8:11 ah yes. i loved that 1970-1998 season
Andre Aoun 😂😂
Yeah it felt like it lasted 28 years didn’t it?
I guess he forgot how to say "-" in a sentence
Almost as long as the 2019-2020 season, for real.
thats one long ass season lmaooo
Man, you completely forgot Mehmet Okur who was the predecessor of that big man shooting threes era. The success his Utah Jazz had in second half of 2000s didn't go unnoticed.
Dirk was almost exclusively a PF up until the past few years, so that's not really relevant here. He DID revolutionize that PF position though.
My Mom Says I'm a Champion he did both
Gus Gang
Dirk was a Forward
Bird originated the “stretch 4” role in the early 80s
Most ppl don’t know all that these days bro
The Bad Boy Pistons has Bill Laimbeer spacing out the floor as a 3 point shooter at the C Position.
It definitely helped our Guards take it the hole or kick out as defense brokedown.
The Evolution of The Cheerleading Position in The NBA pls
You really want a video on drake?
The Mario Chalmers special
Why would we need that?
Mark Madsen was the best.
Ahmpire Lavar Ball, is the most dominant cheerleader out there... BBB
The long awaited video is FINALLY HERE
The rise, decline and revival of the Center position and how basketball teams are built kind of reminds me of the running back position in football. Back in the day football offenses were built around a dominant running game and running backs were bigger stars even than some quarterbacks. But thanks to a combination of rule changes that opened up the passing game and teams taking advantage of them as well as many teams now a days deciding to save money on the salary cap by going “running back by committee” instead of paying them huge salaries. And teams like the Denver Broncos and their talent for finding backs in the later rounds of the draft or even undrafted free agents that could crank out 1,000 yards like clockwork. The position seemed to be not as a necessity as it had been in the past. Heck there wasn’t even a single running back taken in the first round of the draft for two straight years this decade. Now it looks like Todd Gurley, Zeke Elliot, Leveon Bell, and Saquan Barkley the tide may be swinging in favor of them again.
That was a great comparison
It takes special players to prove their worth to the league and its fan base.😎
You forgot to mention Derrick Henry.
You should do the evolution of the power forward position and how it used to be used as the more dominant position in the 80s and 90s and 2000s and how now it is one of the weakest positions in the nba like how the centers were in 2011-2015
Well Centers and Pf go hand and hand with the more Centers that can shoot
Power forward position doesn’t exist anymore. If you play there, you’re either a wing (Tobias Harris), or a big (Anthony Davis)
@@JoeBro915 thought the 4 was essentially a 3 (a good inside outside player) just bigger
The EUROPEAN Stretch-4 narrative changed the game forever when it made its way to the USA.
@@JoeBro915 You are about to see a more SKILLED BIG in Anthony Davis to replace Boogie Cousins Stretch-5 Floor Spacing for the Lakers.
Anthony Davis replaced Kyle Kuzma at the 4-spot, letting McGee & Dwight Howard bang in the paint against bruiser-style Centers.
Increased assist total & 37% for 3-pointers. 😀😀😀
Ballhandler skills of a former point guard that experienced a tremendous growth spurt.
send this video to any person that doesnt know the NBAs history that truly believe that wilt, Russell and Kareem faced little white men.
Wilt and russel do not have nearly as much skill and finesse as today’s centers. They were GREAT, but not as good as centers like Demarcus Cousins who uses more that just physical dominance. You can’t tell me the competition today is easier that it was in the 60’s
@@sammyjero1986 Russell does everything that guys like Clint capela, Ben Wallace, Draymond green, Kenneth Faried, Jared Allen, Tyson Chandler do. Not every center is a finesse center today. And wilt was much more than just power. Not only is he a monster athlete. but he had quick feet, ran the floor like a deer, was an elite passer, great rebounder, had all types of fadeaway, hook shots, etc. Both would excell in any era. EPESCIALLY given that they would grow up in todays game and would be taught how to adjust. and they would be allowed to be alot more physical than in their heavy rule driven era where any amount of physicality would be called an offensive foul, where as today the rules favor the offenseive player.
@@TheIcemanthomas You said it perfectly. Brought up the skill set AND the fact that players from back then would have access to advanced sports science, weight training, nutrition, and learning from past greats. The fact that Wilt came off a knee injury that was thought to be career ending in the 69 season and averaged 21 point, 18 rebounds, and played 44 minutes a game for all 82 games the very next season just shows what a freak he is.
sammy jero dude Russell and wilt will do perfectly fine in today’s era on just wilt athletic body no center in this day of age will even keep up with him or contain him unless Russell. Since he knew how to defend him extremely well and even then wilt might still average 25+. You should look up on wilt he was incredible
@@sammyjero1986 I'm not sure you're aware of how skilled Wilt was. He was one of the first to ever use the fadeaway. Most give credit to Jordan for that, but Wilt did it long before him. Nevermind the fact that he was stronger than Shaq, even with a slimmer frame. Russell, on the other hand, if you were to pluck him right out of his era and put him into today's era, I'm not sure he'd be as successful. But he would definitely be a perennial DPOY who could probably be the best running big man in the league.
Why does it sound like he saying “CENSOR” 😂
Did he say Brad Doe-tree?
Yes!!!
Really
How you gonna disrespect Marc Gasol during the dark ages? He got the center position through.
Stanley Anderson and Andrew bynum. he was good at the time too
Absolutely
Early in Marc’s career he was a dominant post big then he had to develop and 3 point jumper Zach Randolph did too.
"bill laimbeer with his... flagrant fouls" 😂
I laughed so hard bruh😂
@@milesbrophy5889 Same 🤣🤣
Shaq dunking on Chris Dudley is one of the greatest dunks ever !😂 especially because of what they did to Rodman a couple plays before
Between 2010 and 2015; yes centers were awful, but Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol and Chris Bosh were in my opinion very good at the center position in that time period. The statistical category you gave about rebounds is a little bit misleading because Marc Gasol and Bosh were not high volume rebounders. Zach Randolph was the main rebounder for Memphis and rebounding wasn't the identity of the Miami Heat (who were known at the time for fading into transition defence immediately in most situations and not even going for O boards).
between 2010-2015 is when dwight was at his peak, how do you say no good centers? prime superman was great
cluc yeah but once he left Orlando he wasn’t a top 5 player anymore you know
Nikola Jokic is the evolution of the big man.
BigBagOfFrikenAirFak Joel Embiid is
Kbuss04 Joel embiid is no different than the centers before him and the already 3 point heavy nba. Jokic changed the mold, jokic is the future and the evolution. Embiid is not the evolution of anything
@@BigBagOfFrikenAirFak embiid is hakeem.
I Hakeem was always injured
The Joker is just as good and playing all season
3:48 floating hand
Med is important the wrist was hidden behind the pole
I think he just had a white wrist band that happened to line up with the box on the backboard
Love the style of the video man keep it up
Laimbeer with the...you know, Flagrant fouls
Lmao that had me dead
Fantastic bro i loved every second of it. Even when presented with a lot information i already knew you kept me engaged! You also did a great job of staying unbiased and not being argumentative and rather informative I loved it!
I feel like theres gonna be a ultra mega bigman that will be something we've never seen before that can combine all aspects of every great bigs game. Someone with elite athelticism, a low post game, agile enough to defend on the perimeter but still a great rim protector, elite passer in transition. in the halfcourt and out of the post, and can shoot from anywhere. I feel it coming within the next decade.
Yeah I think so too someone that can leap out of gym run like a guard strong like Ben Wallace
Closest thing to this has been Hakeem Olajuwon. He was a elite rime protector who was fast enough to guard perimeter players. He also had a solid jump shot and took ocasional 3’s his post game was nearly unstoppable. He also avg. around 3 assist a game. He was a monster and if a player similar to Hakeem comes into the league that can shoot consistent 3’s and Pass Great that would be a sight to see
CPGoat #3 What about the Greek freak?!?! I’d say he basically checks off every category you mentioned. With the exception of “elite shooter, able to shoot from anywhere” Other than that tho........ athleticism on 💯, he’s a great defender. Rim protector fo sho. As well as being quick enough to guard the perimeter. Transition/fast break game.... I don’t even need to say anything. So ya, basically Giannis checks off all those. Let him develop a consistent long range/3 ball jump shot within a few years. 😳 terrifying 😱 he’s the new breed/ next generation type of NBA athlete.
Sounds abit like anthony davis
@@natekuhl7427 if he doesn't fit in every category hes not what I'm describing, but hes the closest thing too it.
This is your dopest video bro. Would be dope if you went down the rest of the 4 positions
yes
Without his injuries, Joakim Noah could have been the perfect evolution of the defensive center. His passing was the perfect compliment to his defensive prowess, giving him a larger role on the offensive end than previous defensive centers like Camby, Mutombo, and Big Ben.
If he would've improved his shooting he could've taken it to the next level
@@carlosyanes3453 TBF, he already had a solid mid-range shot. It was ugly as sin, but it went it. I think he would have been smart enough to expand his range out more if he were still relied upon as much as he was in Chicago.
I love these kinds of analysis videos and would enjoy seeing more of them!
Always love your content LoW. Really spot on analysis and finished the entire video without knowing it. it's awesome to learn from TH-camrs like you man.
1:55 that’s my school gym wtf. Happy you picked footage of Tre and Tyus
Fr?
I’m serious, Saint Thomas Academy
@@talaf6616 nice
I remember all those videos stating why the Centers are dead.
Evin, j, S the center position did die now they are overrated three point shooters
Robert Joel Embiid, Jokic, KAT, Cousins, AD, Ayton, Vucevic are much more than 3 point shooters
Robert Than you have defensive centers such as Myles Turner, Gobert, Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, Steven Adams, Clint Capella, Nurkic, Jarrett Allen,Gasol, Willie caulie stein and Whiteside.If you look at every playoff team they have a good to great Center with some exceptions in the west the dubs have Cousins, the nuggets have Jokic, the thunder have Adams, the blazers have Nurkic, the rockets have Capella, the jazz have Gobert, the spurs have LaMarcus or jokab and the kings have Willie caullie stein. The east has brook lopez for the bucks, Gasol for the raptors, Turner for the pacers, al Horford for the Celtics, Joel Embiid for the sixers, Jarrett Allen for the nets and Whiteside for the heat. The hornets don’t have a good Center.
Robert imagine thinking being a center shooting threes makes you not a center😂🤣
Koh Smoger nurkic cant play defense gtfo
Awesome channel, I appreciate all of your hard work!!!!
Was looking forward to this one. Excellent work man!
2:52 did our man Wilt just block two Kareem Skyhooks in a row???
Yup
That's was an old wilt chamberlain who knees were shot.
Interesting video, but putting Mikan in the same area as Russell, Petit, Chamberlain, and Russell is a poor one. HE was the architect of the center position that those other players followed, which you can see by looking at when Mikan's career ended and when these other players' times in the league began.
Mikan was a mosnter during his time and dominated the league. He forced a lot of rule change which is a testament to his dominance. Also he played with eyegalsses.
Great video man; it will be great if you can do a series about every position
loved this video thanks. Would appreciate if you cover all the positions then some of the different coaching systems, ie like flow offense vs triangle offense
The main reason why the golden age of big men wasn’t as successful as past eras was because of one man. Michael Jordan changed the paradigm of dynastic teams. He became the first perimeter player to dominate the nba in chips and statistics without a dominant front court/great big man.
The rise of MJ also led to the fruitless search for “the next MJ” and rule changes to allow perimeter players to thrive offensively. MJ changed how centers were looked at as the dominant back bone of any dynastic team. I know LOW went in on this slightly but I wanted elaborate on that a little more.
Actually Isiah Thomas and the Pistons change that narrative no dominate center and no dominate power forward there elite force was Isiah and Dumars the greatest backcourt ever shame Kobe didn't get to play with prime CP3 cause that would've trumped that duo
@@lamar1990lg true....very true in fact. But due to the pistons and their dirty, sewage defence, they tarnished their own image and legacies. No one even thinks of them in the late 80s and early 90s. It's always magic and Kareem and straight to MJ.
it's a shame but no one likes dirty players
@@orueom7720 there were a lot of teams playing like that they were a product of how teams played in the 70's go watch nba basketball the reason they're not favored is because of what Dennis Rodman said about Larry Bird and Isiah backed that notion which is true not taking away his greatness because Larry Bird is in my Top 5 Modern Era which is 1979 to present day but ever since then hated by the league so then they started playing like 70's basketball which the league David Stern was trying to rid of so Michael Jordan bypass Isiah as the face of the NBA even though Isiah was the head of the players agreement deal committee.
DAMN shame how Jordan devalued the Center position. 😞😞😞😞
Chicago Bulls Centers were known as the "3-headed monster."
18 fouls between the 3 of them, SAD !!!
Luc Longley
Will Perdue
Bill Wennington
@@orueom7720 We all remember the "Bad Boys." 😀😀😀
Rick Mahorn & Bill Lambier plus Dennis Rodman trying to cripple Michael Jordan.
"You know his flagrant fouls"
🤣🤣lmao
Really enjoyed this one LOW, nice work!
Great review and history put together very well. You got real skillz man.
The 90s had high-level center talent, but it's not "deep". There were 5 or 6 actually good centers, then it drops off from there with the other 20 or so starting centers. In the 60s and 70s, the league was filled and concentrated not only with elite top-level center talent, but they were very deep.
Tan Wanli There are a lot of underrated players that no one talks/ really knows about from the 90s. Thats one of the main reasons only 5-6 guys are talked about
@@X02Overdose No. There are a lot of guys that are in fact overrated.
Tan Wanli Name some then lol
The 60's was deep in that they were all stiffs you mean.
The 60s had lots of good centers who would be great today
My favourite Position to watch and play. Maybe because all I can do is Rebound lol.
I am also decent at setting screens.
Play good defense certified box office caliber player
@@patoibra77 if you can put back and play defense and pass, thats a solid center
All I can do is rebound and box out and also score in the paint
@@darkmasterjoeskywalker7143 I'm really short and skinny, when I say short, I mean short, I'm like 12, 13 but I'm not even 4ft 10in yet.
This video was so well done thank you for making this. I learned a lot :)
Is there any videos for any other positions if not you should make a series for the positions because this was a big W 👍👍😁
“And Bill Laimbeer with uh...... flagrant fouls” 🤣🤣
Yo give us dat background music...
I enjoyed the video and was honestly surprised no one has made a video on the evolution of the center position yet or something similar to it
The best NBA vid I have ever seen! Well done!
6:57 that camera moment could never be recreated if they tried
why steven adams is so underrated
He is not
He's a defensive center who, at this point, I'm still not sure we've seen the best of, because he spent a long time basically facilitating Westbrook. Also, he's a treasure.
@@aaronghunter lol...facilitating Westbrook? And what are his stats with Westbrook gone? Don't do that. Steven Adams is a very nice person but don't lift him up where he doesn't belong. He's a good player, that's all
Favorite vid on your channel by far
Dope video very.insightful. keep it up bro
That clip of draymond blocking vonleh was literally draymonds best game
Top 5 centers in the league
1 Jokic top 5 offensive player in the league. His skill set is so unique and valuable and he leads the 3rd best team in the West with no other all stars
2 Embiid (most dominant center in the league, his offensive and defensive game are truly spectacular)
3 Rudy Gobert (best defender in the league)
4 KAT (Offensive superstar, disappointing defensively)
5 Al Horford (he fits so perfectly into any offensive or defensive system. Also, there is something to be said about his ability to shut down embiid)
cousins is above Horford IMO
@@jtstearns3373 and Towns and KAT
jtstearns when he’s healthy of course, I think this is accurate at the moment though
@@glide3694 cousins has been petty good this season
Embiid is a much better offensive player than jokic lmao only thing jokic is better at is passing
Easily my new favorite video. You did a really good job.
love the vid! you should do one for every position!
jokic and embid leading the mvp race is so satisfying
Jokic winning MVP is so satisfying
6:02 why Abdul Jabar kept moving his head like that😂😂
When you don't know if her parents home
Never played ball b4 eh
Absolutely amazing video man, keep letting everybody know the real NBA history!
Great video man! You should do this for the other 4 positions
All the 2000's centers you listed with the exception of yao ming were power forwards
Dwight Howard is a center
I love listening to someone who knows and appreciates the history of the game.
Bro these vids are so well made
Great video LOW keep doing what you doing
Kareem with his skyhook, Hakeem with the dreamshake and Bill Laimbeer with you know................. (silence) his flagrant fouls 😂😂😂😂
And wilt and his fade and snatch block
Marc gasol totally forget him he was the best center 10-15
C and d Tv and what about Tim Duncan?
@@robertolebron2296 not in that stretch
vid12 I also forgot Dwight Howard, he was still good but not like his prime years in late 2000s
Great video! I love the editing,
Ay man, killed it with this one. Keep up the tremendous work 👍
WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER FROM 1960-1972
Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF
Dennis Awtrey: 6'11"
Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0"
Nate Bowmen: 6'11"
Mel Counts: 7'0"
Walter Dukes: 7'0"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
Swede Halbrook: 7'3"
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF
Jim McDaniels: 6'11"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 6'11"
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF
Walt Wesley: 6'11"
@Quibol0 EXCUSE ME!?
Nah dawg those weren't real seven footers jk btw lmfao
@@mkratos17 THERES THE PROOF BRO NO DEBATE.......GET THE BLANK OUT OF HERE.....LOOK IT UP AND GET BACK TOO ME.
All the stiffs Wilt faced?
@@bobbydigital5378 EXPLAIN?.
Nikola Jokic is the Best Center to ever play
Nice joke 😂
Great video here. Nicely researched. This must have taken a lot of work to produce this video. Two thumbs up to you!
Yooo you’re definitely a trend setter and at the top of your game LOW. Thank you for the consistently great content.
2012 to 2018 is the no center era. Only Boogie was the exception
Please include Adams to the exceptions
Nikola Jokic
12:32 tim duncan during 2010-2015 was “way” out of his prime? 2013 finals and then the 2014 championship were nothing i guess lol
Duncan was still good. But he was still out of his prime.
Bruh I love these type of videos. I can't wait for the others postiions
This is a REALLY good video that helps in understanding how the 5 evolved - in a nutshell. You missed to include Sam Perkins and Arvydas Sabonis, 2 centers who gave us a glimpse of the 3-point shooting bigs today. They were considered "unconventional" in their era, but would be highly sought after in today's game.
7:54 mans started rapping😂😂
3:41 it looks like his went through the backboard😂😂🤣
You sir are a hard worker. Great vid!
This was great, I love the history vids
Good video bro, I appreciate it, but you gotta be a little more elaborate in your verbiage and not rely on overusing vague words like "dominance". I know everyone will just call me a hater, but only trying to help. Keep at it, will look forward to future content.
EDIT: Again, just want to reiterate, I REALLY DID like this a lot, especially the second half.
What about draymond green he was a power forward that got slid to the center position and they went 73-9 with an mvp steph and his stellar playmaking
Shows how weak the center position is
Ish Will no it just shows how it has changed as the video is talking about
I mean most real contenders have a true passing/playmaking big man who can also bring the ball up the court that is how the center has changed
Jacob Delgado bro your point draymond got suspended game 5 for no reason and just that did not have their best series just chill don’t show up like they blew a 3-1 lead every time their 73-9 season
Jack Kerns he’s not lying🤷🏾♂️
Jack Kerns 2015 the cavs were injured so your point?
Another great vid my man, keep up the great work !
This is really a great video man
I hope you and agent get vack to the podcasts
1985-1999 Golden Age Big Men
Kareem
Moses
Robert parish
Ewing
Shaq
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Mourning
Mutombo
Laimbeer
Daugherty
Karl Malone
Shawn Kemp
Good post. Really insightful.
I enjoyed it good job bro keep it up I’m intrigued lol
Wilt is the greatest center ever and probably the NBA GOAT
Kareem and Hakeem come close
NBA in 2030 the Lineups are now 3 Guards and 2 Forwards
Nah just g's
NBA in the 2040's players are all 4 feet tall and shorter and goals are raised 2 feet. 3 pointers and boundaries are non existent.
4 people 6'7 or more then a 7 footer like jokic or embiid
Travelling rule flat out deleted
4 wings one center
Love the video bro. Keep up the great content!
Amazing video man!
2010-2014/5 really some of the least talented years in NBA history, look at the top players they were too old and on the decline or too young and haven't hit their prime yet
Christian Perales apart from Lebron wade bosh they were really fun to watch
Wilt>Shaq>All modern big men
W
Great video man keep up the good work
Yes, Been waiting for this one!
Isnt Bob Pettit a power foward?
I think he played both
Morale of this video : Steph curry ruined the center position.
#ruinthegame
Wait how ?
What? How does one logically draw that conclusion from this video?
I dont think youre talking about the right video
My penis is incredibly tiny, but cuz GSW hate
This was an excellent video man!
Do this with the other 4 positions! Greatly enjoyed!
18 mins of LOW 💉💉💉💉
It’s pronounced Brad “DUWAR-TY”
you called it. Centers matter again. For a while centers were just line cloggers, but this final 4 showed you need centers. Jokic, Bam, and AD showed what a good modern center should be. Gives me hope for guys like KAT, Ayton, etc.
Bob Pettit was a forward. I watched him in his rookie season with Milwaukee - the Hawks. Great position player. Good shooter and rebounder.