When a hydraulic line is cut the engine pump and all of the pumps won't do anything or the ptu and the rushed landing was because they knew a fire would ignite filling the cockpit with toxic smoke that would impair their sight and with no flaps they needed to bleed off speed. If you look close at the video where the white smoke is, When the plane struck the birds you can see on the left of the white puff a darker plume and hydraulic fluid is dark red or purple, When the plane hit the birds I think they bent or broke a blade causing a piece to fly around inside and cut a hydraulic line and all hydraulic pressure was bled off, That explains the dark plume of liquid. With an open circuit none of the pumps will work or the ptu they just dump fluid on the engine and fuses are closer to the valves and actuators not the pump so no pressure for anything in system b. Also in that video you can see more than 10 white birds on both side of the plane and a witness said they heard 2 or 3 bangs so both engines might have been hit and you can see in approach video the plane approaching while at 100 feet high you can see damage on the right cowling, That is not T/R and they will not deploy over 10 feet high but this is at 100 feet so that is damage and when they are 10 feet from the ground you can see a heat plume from the right engine but not the left. No system b and only electric system a That is also why no flaps, No air brakes but the 737 can still control rudder, Elevators and ailerons with cables so they were able to land with full control but without system b no flaps and their stall speed would be much higher explaining the high speed landing and it explains why they would choose a belly landing knowing they would stop faster skidding on the fuselage tail and engines rather than not having hydraulic brakes on rolling wheels so they opted not to deploy gear and made a tight 180 turn then rolled slightly left right to bleed off speed and might have even thought that dirt embankment for holding up fiberglass antennas would help safely slow them how would they know it was loaded with 2 foot thick concrete. I think they are going to find a broken blade and a cut hydraulic line on the left engine All my best to the familes and everyone involved
@@stratocasterblue Why should a bird be allowed to fall into the engine while the mouth of the engine can be protected by a strong wiremesh that allows enough air to be sucked in?
I'm not an aircraft engineer..but the engines are so powerful that they would probably suck the wiremesh in damaging the engines..my deepest condolences to the families 😢
@@bethwilmot7281I don't know. I've read a couple articles that their nose gear wasn't down. It appeared in the video that their main gear was retracted too. They would have had brakes if the main gear was down and the nose would have been sliding on the runway.This was their 2nd attempt at landing and I assume they were having an emergency or they would have gone around again. I doubt they expected a concrete barrier.
There was no hydraulic’s to put landing gear down, DAH! No power for the plane to do anything, but land on its belly! Engines were dragging on the ground!
The pilot and co-pilot made a perfect landing, saving all the passengers on the plane. It's really disheartening that the barrier was there, because if it wasn't, the people on the plane would still be alive.
@@TWOFACE34100 they made several mistakes it seems. We won’t know the exact cause until a full and thorough investigation is done but just by looking you can see several routine things that should be done in an emergency we’re not done. They also landed halfway down the runway going way too fast with nothing in place to slow the aircraft. landing in the opposite direction. I think there will be many factors at play here that caused this tragedy.
@@TWOFACE34100 there was no perfect landing they failed and caused the lives of over 179 lives stop saying it was perfect landing you don't do something that dumb and dangerous
The barrier was what caused the plane to come apart and the fire. It was a very bad design. If the pilots made any errors that will come out later, but I agree they would most likely be alive if it weren't for the concrete barrier.
Shouldn't matter what end of the runway he took there should definitely not be some huge reinforced concrete structure at the end of any runway. You would think there would be a trap like they have for trucks on motorways some gravel trap to catch any plane and help them stop or stop slowly not an abrupt stop at the face of some huge unmovable object!!!
The pilots first mistake was to not land on first approach, plane was already lined up for landing, instead he makes a crazy tear drop turnaround menuver without any hope of landing that plane safely. A series of poor decision making by the pilot led to this horrific event. Now we watch how South Korea tries to save face.
I couldn't agree more. I've seen a similar case of panic mind over matter but in mine the aircraft slewed off the runway over grass and no casualties in 128 pax 7 crew. In the SK case the first approach was stable attitude - the tear drop tr would be considered unstable and with short remaining runway.
@@Kat-zj5kd I answered this in another post, but planes takeoff and land on both sides of the runway. The barrier should not have been on either side of the runway. It is unbelievable it was put there and was a design flaw like the OP stated. I think this will be discussed a lot as the investigation continues.
The control tower should have not allowed the plane to land on the opposite direction where there is an obstacle at the end of the runway. Confused on why the need to land the plane asap, and on the opposite direction?
I’ve been thinking about the Jeju Air Flight 2216 tragedy, and the decision to shorten the runway from 9,200 feet to 8,200 feet might have played a role in the outcome. With less runway available, the plane may not have had enough space to slow down properly. Also, the concrete wall at the runway’s end seems to have been reconsidered, as it could have made things worse. It’s heartbreaking that this happened, and my thoughts are with the victims and their families. Hopefully, these kinds of issues can be addressed to prevent something like this from happening again.
This pilots were really the worst any passanger can imagine. Two of them together in one cockpit is a really really unlucky situation. They made just everything wrong. Any student pilot after 5 hours flying might do much much better then them. At the first, if you brain has no capacity give you time for trouble shooting and dont make any decision in panic or rush. The normal procedure would be either land in the normal configuration (finish you approach and stay calm) or go around and enter the holding. You have at least 30 minutes time for troubleshooting. Never use the landing direction with tailwind if you wouldnt know your thrust reverser and breaks are working correctly, calculate your landing distance required. From my experience I exclude a hydraulic failure and even if you would have a failure there are 2 further systems to keep the pressure up. Even if each system fail you still can easily deploy the gear manually without a big effort in the 737 NG. Just this few rules would keep all passangers allive. The other landing direction even doesnt have a wall at the end. Therory of smoke in the cockpit ? I dont think so, because the AC for the cockpit is coming in from the left engine. And even if there would be some smoke, wear your masks and proceed with your job. You still have the AP if you are restricted to look out !!! If an electric power loss event has occured start the APU. However it´s too late. In the unlikely case I am wrong with my judgement I apologize strongly.
The pilots didn''t save the passagers and didn't know to control the plane. The pilots missed a lot of experience. 178 death for nothing. God bless passagers.
You don't know this. The concrete barrier they hit is what caused 178 unfortunate deaths. We will see what the investigation tells us about the pilots' involvement, but if that barrier had not been there there's a good chance these people would still be alive. It was a very bad idea to put the barrier at the end of the runway. I can't believe it was even allowed.
@@BLINKLYBILL-vm2th Runways are used in both directions depending on traffic or the wind. There shouldn't be a barrier of any kind that close to the end on either side of a runway.
Landed halfway down the runway going way too fast and landed also in the opposite direction which i think no concrete wall if it landed in the right direction.
There have been a lot of successful gear up landings on the runway. Most airports don't have a concrete barrier at the end of the runway. If it hadn't been there most likely these people would still be alive.
No doubt in my mind that only responsible people of this tragedy was the pilot, I was wondering if he was a rookie pilot, but he had vast experience, I guess the authorities must focus their investigations on the pilot, since he did everything wrong…..aborted the first attempt of landing, and went around, I think the bird strike got him into his nerves and decided to rush the landing, choosing to land from the opposite direction, but obviously, he messed up with everything……shot off the wrong engine, didn’t slow down the speed and ended up everything at the barrier…..conclusion: perhaps he was under the influence of….alcohol, drugs or had a family emergency…..my sincere condolences to the families of the 179 dead people who died in this senseless accident.
Everything seemed very unusual from a blink of an eye. Looks too much, like the plane has been highjacked, the speed of the plane was too high, which was noticable to the naked eye, and the plane overshot the runway by a "mile", and the way the pilot landed it so smoothly at such high speed, reveales a high level of experience, (not panic).
Biggest mistake was aborting the original landing. They were all set up in landing configuration. Why the hell would you abort final approach if your plane was deteriorating rapidly. The rest of the cockups all stem from that huge mistake.
It is not clear why they aborted the first landing. Did the landing gear already failed during the first landing? They need to include this factor during investigation.
@ actually of both engines were lost and they lost all hydraulic fluid. Or there was also an issue with the electric pumps for the hydraulics after the engine driven ones were lost, or electrical system for these pumps had an issue… .
They could have been approaching too high or too low and did the turnaround as a means to get better approach trajectory, since they had lost all control of instruments. Whatever the reason, they SUCCEEDED in their goal and made a perfect belly landing. It was that berm of earth and concrete where the localisers stood, which stopped the plane and caused it to erupt into a fireball. If they had touched down at the very start of the runway, they could have slided all the way to the end with the friction slowing them down enough to not impact the barrier, or could have turned onto the grass verge to slow them down further. Without instruments, they were flying by the seat of their pants. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for them. They touched down too late and too fast. RIP, 179 souls! Condolences to the bereaved families.
@ yes I agree. I guess though there are many questions to be answered. Hopefully the damaged flight recorder isn’t too damaged to be able to recover the data.
I think the pilot accidentally turned engine number 1 off.. the thrust reverser for engine 2 deployed as to engine one was not.. can't wait for them to let us know what they get from the black boxes
Current Airline tragedies looks like intentional and may well be a case like the paper terror attacks recently conducted on Lebanon and need to be carefully examined for safer travel!
D pilots came in from d opposite direction trying to land but wheels cannot b deployed so belly land but change their mind to land on d sea.. plane was too low due to lack of engine thrust.. plane if can fly over d concrete wall they land on d sea
The pilot was at fault you don't do something like that they failed to realize the importance of emergency situations and safety procedures that pilot had no idea what he was doing and look at what happened either pilot was not trained in such events like that here's a tip don't let unexperienced pilots take control on these machines they have no idea what they are doing in general if you haven't done years of flight school or training then you shouldn't be allowed to fly any kind of aircraft in general whoever idea was it to have that unexperienced pilot fly that plane needs to be fired immediately you don't put someone who's not experienced in training or hasn't taken years of flight school or rigorous classes or intense training courses and the rules and regulations and safety requirements of a professional and trained pilot
When a hydraulic line is cut the engine pump and all of the pumps won't do anything or the ptu and the rushed landing was because they knew a fire would ignite filling the cockpit with toxic smoke that would impair their sight and with no flaps they needed to bleed off speed.
If you look close at the video where the white smoke is, When the plane struck the birds you can see on the left of the white puff a darker plume and hydraulic fluid is dark red or purple, When the plane hit the birds I think they bent or broke a blade causing a piece to fly around inside and cut a hydraulic line and all hydraulic pressure was bled off, That explains the dark plume of liquid. With an open circuit none of the pumps will work or the ptu they just dump fluid on the engine and fuses are closer to the valves and actuators not the pump so no pressure for anything in system b. Also in that video you can see more than 10 white birds on both side of the plane and a witness said they heard 2 or 3 bangs so both engines might have been hit and you can see in approach video the plane approaching while at 100 feet high you can see damage on the right cowling, That is not T/R and they will not deploy over 10 feet high but this is at 100 feet so that is damage and when they are 10 feet from the ground you can see a heat plume from the right engine but not the left. No system b and only electric system a
That is also why no flaps, No air brakes but the 737 can still control rudder, Elevators and ailerons with cables so they were able to land with full control but without system b no flaps and their stall speed would be much higher explaining the high speed landing and it explains why they would choose a belly landing knowing they would stop faster skidding on the fuselage tail and engines rather than not having hydraulic brakes on rolling wheels so they opted not to deploy gear and made a tight 180 turn then rolled slightly left right to bleed off speed and might have even thought that dirt embankment for holding up fiberglass antennas would help safely slow them how would they know it was loaded with 2 foot thick concrete.
I think they are going to find a broken blade and a cut hydraulic line on the left engine All my best to the familes and everyone involved
@@stratocasterblue Why should a bird be allowed to fall into the engine while the mouth of the engine can be protected by a strong wiremesh that allows enough air to be sucked in?
@@babulouis9318 The jet engines are very powerful. They will easily shatter the wire mesh into pieces in seconds.
I'm not an aircraft engineer..but the engines are so powerful that they would probably suck the wiremesh in damaging the engines..my deepest condolences to the families 😢
The pilots failed to use the manual pull levers to lower the landing gear
When he made that quick turn to land, I don't think he gave themselves time to do so.. especially with the heightening of the situation
That's speculating at this point. Having the concrete barrier at the end of the runway is mind boggling. This is obviously a very bad design.
Do you think the pilot knew there was a concrete barrier at the end of this runway?
@@bethwilmot7281I don't know. I've read a couple articles that their nose gear wasn't down. It appeared in the video that their main gear was retracted too. They would have had brakes if the main gear was down and the nose would have been sliding on the runway.This was their 2nd attempt at landing and I assume they were having an emergency or they would have gone around again. I doubt they expected a concrete barrier.
There was no hydraulic’s to put landing gear down, DAH! No power for the plane to do anything, but land on its belly! Engines were dragging on the ground!
The pilot and co-pilot made a perfect landing, saving all the passengers on the plane. It's really disheartening that the barrier was there, because if it wasn't, the people on the plane would still be alive.
It was not a perfect landing, halfway down the damn runway.. That was the biggest mistake they made..
@@TWOFACE34100 they made several mistakes it seems. We won’t know the exact cause until a full and thorough investigation is done but just by looking you can see several routine things that should be done in an emergency we’re not done. They also landed halfway down the runway going way too fast with nothing in place to slow the aircraft. landing in the opposite direction. I think there will be many factors at play here that caused this tragedy.
@@TWOFACE34100 there was no perfect landing they failed and caused the lives of over 179 lives stop saying it was perfect landing you don't do something that dumb and dangerous
@@TWOFACE34100 Pilot did a bad job which costed 178 more people their lives. Why do you even think that landing was perfect?
The barrier was what caused the plane to come apart and the fire. It was a very bad design. If the pilots made any errors that will come out later, but I agree they would most likely be alive if it weren't for the concrete barrier.
Shouldn't matter what end of the runway he took there should definitely not be some huge reinforced concrete structure at the end of any runway.
You would think there would be a trap like they have for trucks on motorways some gravel trap to catch any plane and help them stop or stop slowly not an abrupt stop at the face of some huge unmovable object!!!
Pilot seemed to be too depressed
Before the flight
The pilots first mistake was to not land on first approach, plane was already lined up for landing, instead he makes a crazy tear drop turnaround menuver without any hope of landing that plane safely.
A series of poor decision making by the pilot led to this horrific event.
Now we watch how South Korea tries to save face.
I couldn't agree more. I've seen a similar case of panic mind over matter but in mine the aircraft slewed off the runway over grass and no casualties in 128 pax 7 crew. In the SK case the first approach was stable attitude - the tear drop tr would be considered unstable and with short remaining runway.
Plane hit a wall at the end of the runway 200 meters ahead.
FATAL AIRPORT FLAW
beginning of the runway - they are landing in theopposite direction
@@Kat-zj5kd I answered this in another post, but planes takeoff and land on both sides of the runway. The barrier should not have been on either side of the runway. It is unbelievable it was put there and was a design flaw like the OP stated. I think this will be discussed a lot as the investigation continues.
The control tower should have not allowed the plane to land on the opposite direction where there is an obstacle at the end of the runway. Confused on why the need to land the plane asap, and on the opposite direction?
It looks like this plan crashed without a pilot.
I’ve been thinking about the Jeju Air Flight 2216 tragedy, and the decision to shorten the runway from 9,200 feet to 8,200 feet might have played a role in the outcome. With less runway available, the plane may not have had enough space to slow down properly. Also, the concrete wall at the runway’s end seems to have been reconsidered, as it could have made things worse. It’s heartbreaking that this happened, and my thoughts are with the victims and their families. Hopefully, these kinds of issues can be addressed to prevent something like this from happening again.
This pilots were really the worst any passanger can imagine. Two of them together in one cockpit is a really really unlucky situation. They made just everything wrong. Any student pilot after 5 hours flying might do much much better then them. At the first, if you brain has no capacity give you time for trouble shooting and dont make any decision in panic or rush. The normal procedure would be either land in the normal configuration (finish you approach and stay calm) or go around and enter the holding. You have at least 30 minutes time for troubleshooting. Never use the landing direction with tailwind if you wouldnt know your thrust reverser and breaks are working correctly, calculate your landing distance required. From my experience I exclude a hydraulic failure and even if you would have a failure there are 2 further systems to keep the pressure up. Even if each system fail you still can easily deploy the gear manually without a big effort in the 737 NG. Just this few rules would keep all passangers allive. The other landing direction even doesnt have a wall at the end. Therory of smoke in the cockpit ? I dont think so, because the AC for the cockpit is coming in from the left engine. And even if there would be some smoke, wear your masks and proceed with your job. You still have the AP if you are restricted to look out !!! If an electric power loss event has occured start the APU. However it´s too late. In the unlikely case I am wrong with my judgement I apologize strongly.
@@industrieundtechnik1761
Çok mantıklı tespit.kurtarmak için dediğiniz gibi pilotların alternatifleri çokmuş.vefat edenler için inanılmaz üzgünüm.
Landing gear issue, hydraulics issue, bird strike, and then panic.
It was a pilot issue!
@@johnnyrocket80085 right ! Those guys are the worst pilots you can find.
The pilots didn''t save the passagers and didn't know to control the plane. The pilots missed a lot of experience. 178 death for nothing. God bless passagers.
"Speculation!"
You don't know this. The concrete barrier they hit is what caused 178 unfortunate deaths. We will see what the investigation tells us about the pilots' involvement, but if that barrier had not been there there's a good chance these people would still be alive. It was a very bad idea to put the barrier at the end of the runway. I can't believe it was even allowed.
Suicidal tendecies
@@Mark-op7zt concrete barrier was not in the end of runway..it was the beginning of the runway
@@BLINKLYBILL-vm2th Runways are used in both directions depending on traffic or the wind. There shouldn't be a barrier of any kind that close to the end on either side of a runway.
Concrete wall end of runaway, which idiot decided that.
Blame the government
Landed halfway down the runway going way too fast and landed also in the opposite direction which i think no concrete wall if it landed in the right direction.
Concrete wall is at the start of the runway, not the end of the runway.
@cometstar4050 Not at this airport and per news outlets
Wouldn't it be better to belly land in water. I see there is a large expanse of water nearby. Hopefully shallow.
There have been a lot of successful gear up landings on the runway. Most airports don't have a concrete barrier at the end of the runway. If it hadn't been there most likely these people would still be alive.
No doubt in my mind that only responsible people of this tragedy was the pilot, I was wondering if he was a rookie pilot, but he had vast experience, I guess the authorities must focus their investigations on the pilot, since he did everything wrong…..aborted the first attempt of landing, and went around, I think the bird strike got him into his nerves and decided to rush the landing, choosing to land from the opposite direction, but obviously, he messed up with everything……shot off the wrong engine, didn’t slow down the speed and ended up everything at the barrier…..conclusion: perhaps he was under the influence of….alcohol, drugs or had a family emergency…..my sincere condolences to the families of the 179 dead people who died in this senseless accident.
This media report is gaslighting badly to protect the airport and boeing pathetic journalism as usual
Im no expert but i think that this will go down as pilot error.
Everything seemed very unusual from a blink of an eye. Looks too much, like the plane has been highjacked, the speed of the plane was too high, which was noticable to the naked eye, and the plane overshot the runway by a "mile", and the way the pilot landed it so smoothly at such high speed, reveales a high level of experience, (not panic).
No the birds no the wall at the end of the runway but the two pilots are responsible for the disaster.
The thrust reverser of the right engine affected by the birdstrike is deployed while the left one is closed.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WICTH DIRECTION YOU COME IN AS LONG AS YOU CAN STOP THE ENGINES!! YES!! IN AN EMERGENCY LANDING!!👍
Biggest mistake was aborting the original landing. They were all set up in landing configuration. Why the hell would you abort final approach if your plane was deteriorating rapidly. The rest of the cockups all stem from that huge mistake.
It is not clear why they aborted the first landing. Did the landing gear already failed during the first landing? They need to include this factor during investigation.
@ actually of both engines were lost and they lost all hydraulic fluid. Or there was also an issue with the electric pumps for the hydraulics after the engine driven ones were lost, or electrical system for these pumps had an issue… .
They could have been approaching too high or too low and did the turnaround as a means to get better approach trajectory, since they had lost all control of instruments. Whatever the reason, they SUCCEEDED in their goal and made a perfect belly landing. It was that berm of earth and concrete where the localisers stood, which stopped the plane and caused it to erupt into a fireball. If they had touched down at the very start of the runway, they could have slided all the way to the end with the friction slowing them down enough to not impact the barrier, or could have turned onto the grass verge to slow them down further. Without instruments, they were flying by the seat of their pants. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for them. They touched down too late and too fast. RIP, 179 souls! Condolences to the bereaved families.
@ yes I agree. I guess though there are many questions to be answered. Hopefully the damaged flight recorder isn’t too damaged to be able to recover the data.
I think the pilot accidentally turned engine number 1 off.. the thrust reverser for engine 2 deployed as to engine one was not.. can't wait for them to let us know what they get from the black boxes
What is the reason for the background music playing? A lot of people are passing away. Ah, no heartfelt feelings.😢
Current Airline tragedies looks like intentional and may well be a case like the paper terror attacks recently conducted on Lebanon and need to be carefully examined for safer travel!
Putin roaring with his 3 day special operation 🤣🤣
1:54 "Control Tower warned the pilot about bird flocks"
. Well that was very good of them but what could he do about it?!
Too many things gone wrong. No answers only more questions. Maybe the pilot was intentional?
Muan airportvmust be sued
Hitting that wall of concrete at a high rate of speed. Who left them land?
Or did the pilots crash it deliberately.
ridiculous !! 😡
Should kept going around until slowed down.
One Pilot or two?
D pilots came in from d opposite direction trying to land but wheels cannot b deployed so belly land but change their mind to land on d sea.. plane was too low due to lack of engine thrust.. plane if can fly over d concrete wall they land on d sea
Ale należy pamiętać, że to Koryo jest najbardziej niebezpieczną linią lotniczą na świecie !
The pilot was at fault you don't do something like that they failed to realize the importance of emergency situations and safety procedures that pilot had no idea what he was doing and look at what happened either pilot was not trained in such events like that here's a tip don't let unexperienced pilots take control on these machines they have no idea what they are doing in general if you haven't done years of flight school or training then you shouldn't be allowed to fly any kind of aircraft in general whoever idea was it to have that unexperienced pilot fly that plane needs to be fired immediately you don't put someone who's not experienced in training or hasn't taken years of flight school or rigorous classes or intense training courses and the rules and regulations and safety requirements of a professional and trained pilot
Good 👍
Please show pilots photos
So sad 😢
😢sad
This video is bad as some details are incorrect
The pilot is to be blamed. And the one who built that wall there. Other authorities are innocent.
Don't try to be mystery like MH370. Get answers immediately.
bird is big disaster 😢 😭😢
Seems like military plane are more safer than public planes