The Invisibles: Inhumane Conditions of Italy's Migrant Farmworkers | Doha Debates
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- Over 200,000 migrant laborers, mostly from Africa, work in Italy’s fields. After being exploited for years, the coronavirus global pandemic made these workers “essential” overnight - but without labor rights or even access to basic sanitation, these farmworkers are living and working in conditions that have been described as modern slavery.
Union leader Aboubakar Soumahoro has been documenting these inhumane conditions and is now helping the workers organize to demand real and lasting change.
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We needed this documentary. Thank you!✊
"Senza dignità e diritti il cibo è marcio"...Finché non capiremo che non possiamo pagare una passata di pomodoro 50 centesimi esisterà questa schiavitù. La differenza la facciamo noi, ogni giorno abbiamo la possibilità di scegliere che acquisti fare e se continuare ad alimentare questo sfruttamento o migliorare le condizioni di vita di milioni di persone!! Domandiamoci cosa c'è dietro al prezzo dei prodotti e scegliamo prodotti provenienti da un commercio equo e solidale! La differenza la possiamo fare tutti insieme ogni giorno!!
Very important doc! thanks. I am an Italian videographer and photographer, based in London. Would love to collaborate with you guys
Grande verità.. spero solo che la gente non si dimentichi del problema come solitamente accade...
(It's so true.. I just hope that people won't forget about this problem as it usually happens...)
Why don’t you also say that politics are trying to destroy agriculture and that these farm owners get up at 4am and finish work at 8pm with no vacation ever?
they make 40 cents per liter of milk and 60 cents for 1 kg of fruit.
The owners use their family members and don’t pay them in order to survive…. why don’t you say that?
It is always the worker the victim?
There are 2 victims here and you only tell the story of 1 of them
You forgot to mention the reason why these people left to become illegal immigrants in the first place. Large chain companies provide cheap tomatoes and fruit to the native countries of these people and thus locals couldn't compete with their prices. For example, Ghana does not have a single dish without tomatoes but not a single tomata grown on their own grounds and land can be sold. No one is buying products in their own home countries which leads to these people being forced to move around for work. This and war
Poveri Cristi tutti indistintamente italiani e non in cerca di lavoro come dignità umana.............Non esiste umanità. .......dov'è finita.
Due anni dopo ....anche il migrante buono tiene famiglia.
Forza ragazzi , mollare mai
Forza ragazzi
Soumahoro, chorizo
"Undocumented workers"? You mean illegal immigrants who were fortunate enough to have a local businessman provide with work. If you want to expose the truth, perhaps you should start by being truthful. Lack of laborers is not a new phenomenon, nor is the poor treatment of poor laborers. Of course that doesn't make poor treatment of any person justifiable. It's just not new. And, no, it has absolutely nothing to do with their skin color. This exact same scenario is thousands of years old and has occurred on every inhabited continent on the planet.
Knowing that, what is the purpose of this "documentary"? Before we can begin to answer this question, let's look at the lens this situation is being viewed through. No, I don't mean the lens of a young girl of obvious privilege virtue signalling a video of conditions she has never experienced or could even rightly imagine. The lens I mean is the one of time. Not long ago, a few hundred years perhaps, nearly everyone lived the lives being described in this video. If the the "crisis" expressed in this video were put to them, they would simply shrug their shoulders; i.e "so, what?". It's true that now is not then, linearly. But it IS that time for those illegals economically. You see, the various populations on the planet developed economically at different rates. The more agrarian conditions of some countries or peoples today are the exact same conditions more developed countries have already already experienced in their past.
So, now look at this video again. Now you can see that it is being narrated through the lens of an advanced civilization looking at less advanced peoples of the past, and complaining that they are not the same. No, they aren't the same and no sane or realistic person would expect them to be. For example, you cannot expect the lives of people living in Europe in the 1500's to magically transform into those of people living today, no matter how much you want them to. Those illegal immigrants jumped hundreds of years into the future, so to speak, and now EXPECT to live the lives of future peoples. This is the message this video is trying to convey.
The mistakes this narrator makes here are the same ones virtue signaled in every other video. Namely, that the world is a zero-sum game and that nothing must be earned but expected. Zero-sum is a concept that was never meant to apply to something as complex as economics. Although this is easily understood with basic reasoning skills, I still encourage everyone to read up on the subject to understand why. The idea of expectation is blatantly Marxist socialist - and blatantly wrong. Why? Because a basic fact of the human condition is that, in a free society, no human owes any other human anything. You only have what you earn and what you work for. This is a GOOD THING, no matter where on the economic ladder you start from. Marxist socialists, however, disagree and expect that the product of your hard work must be taken from you and given to someone else (of their choosing). This implies that you have a master (the one who gets to decide what you may keep and what they get to take from you) and that you are a slave (because if they can rightly take something from you, then you don't actually own anything - not even your labor).
Those illegal immigrants are merely suffering the consequences of both jumping the (historical economic) timeline and unearned expectations. None of us would fare any better if we were transported a few hundred years into the future. Those far advanced peoples wouldn't owe us anything either for merely popping up on their landscape. Actually, we'd be in the exact same position as those illegal migrants, performing any kind of manual labor; most likely the ONLY work we'd even qualify for. But, perhaps even in the future there will be a virtue signaling socialist complaining that we, illegals, have every right to expect a living we neither earned nor warrant.
I know you posted this 2 years ago, but I just want to argue that, provided all of the statements made in this documentary are true, and as the meritocrat which I am, I would expect a pay higher than €4 per hour for a job which is the only one the system allows me (I cover the REASON the system only allows it in the next paragraphs). If you expect them to earn more, then perhaps you should explain how they are supposed to do it, being deliberately foreclosed from the opportunities to pick any job, which are opportunities neither me nor you have “earned” - we were simply born with them. In the video (where by the way, their being illegal immigrants IS mentioned), Soumahoro does state that he wants to work, and thus to earn a living. None of this is a case against earning.
What he thinks the Italian state owes the field workers is no particular sum of money, but only not being denied a path (however rigorous it should be) around the legal barriers that are put up between the field workers and most other Italians, so that they get the same chances which neither me nor you have “earned” in our lives, but which we were simply born with. I am talking about the right at taking any legal job an employer picks us for, because our citizenships allow it by default, and all that these people are asking here is to be given a chance to work towards earning that right too, through not being deliberately denied a path to legalisation. I preempt that citizenship is not a library card subscription, nor a “magical transformation”, I do not expect nor want their path to citizenship to be immediate and lenient, it should be teeming with indoctrination of the country’s culture. But I do expect there to be one. Why would one want otherwise? I am interested to see a valid argument from you as to why that possibility for legalisation should remain deliberately foreclosed to them.
In your answer you may start talking about the countries they come from, but that is straight-up confusing their countries with them, because through formation one can become capable to perform at a job which does not exist in their homeland.
I am against zero-sum, like you. But I do want to understand if you would expect, like me, to be a way for them to up-skill themselves (not necessarily in an assisted way) and become legalised, in order to earn better jobs, or if you expect it to be prevented by default because you do not believe they can up-skill. If you think the latter, it is hard to argue that no matter how long and how hard they work they do not deserve a salary that is higher than €4.