How Much Slower is My Trail Bike vs My Cross Country Bike?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ธ.ค. 2017
- In yet another trail vs XC bike, I time 2 laps on my cross country mountain bike (Niner RKT9 RDO) and then 2 laps on my trail bike (2018 Giant Trance Advance 1). This tests was done on cross country type trails.
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im slow on everything..its why i ride alone..lol..
mikieson me too mate 😆
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I always find your videos very helpful. You tend to ask and answer the same questions I am interested in. You seem to do a good job of remaining objective and paying attention to efforts to control the variables so we get a useful result. Thank you for what you do.
Hey Clint, just wanted to say thanks for making these videos. I'm getting back into mountain biking after 15 years being out of the saddle. The tech and bikes have changed so muh, I felt i knew nothing. Your channel has really helped me get back in the know. Cheers.
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love you're channel and learn a lot from it!!
Thanks for sharing, Clint.
It was an entertaining video, and the results were expected for that kind of ride. Other XC loops with more technical aspects, especially in the downhill parts, might yield different results. It would be interesting to see the comparison.
Cheers!
I have been on the fence about owning two mountain bikes but thanks to your insight on both bikes. I decided to keep my 29er felt xc bike and add a 27.5 trail bike to my stable as I would miss my xc bike's fast climbing fun!
For that kind of trails flat and wide a 29er always is gona go faster, it doesn't matter if is a XC bike or trail, I have my own test where I ride in Mexico City you have to climb a lot like 800mts in like 11kms a lot of elevation in the climbs on my xc hardtail 29 I can make almost 10 minutes less than in the full suspension bike, on the way down I can make that 10 mins less on the full suspension so in the end is all about the terrain that you ride.
RIght on. Exactly right on.
You always have some of the nicest looking bikes.
Appreciate this comparison. Results are pretty much what I would've expected. I did catch the stretch where you almost caught that deer! That was double cool. I guess it all boils down to, "run what you brung!" Sure, purpose built bikes excel at what they are designed for, but, short of racing, you can ride pretty much any bike any where and still have fun. Point is, just go ride! See ya, I'm going riding now!!!!
I'm glad you posted this. I bought a used trail bike to try it out, and noticed the poor handling on corners compared to a road bike. I thought maybe the bike was outdated, but it sounds like I need to try XC. Thanks for the video.
+Greg Webster 👍
Surprised it was this close, thanks for sharing! Generally speaking, I think your timing comparisons could be more accurate by approximating the same fatigue level. Pushing on all runs and alternate XC-Trail-Trail-XC. That order matters. Then average times. If you don't have as much time, then XC-Trail-XC and switch it up to Trail-XC-Trail on a second day, averaging within-day, then across-day.
Hey Clint, it looks like your gopro is doing the white balance hunting, making the colors go in and out, you can set that to manual, and pick the value that matches with the light for the day, and it will stay more consistent.
Great video. I would love to see the time on a hard tail.
I ride my Enduro in all conditions just because its the whole package when I need it !
Exact same questions on my mind... Thanks!
Great video
To summarise, the Bikes each do what they were designed to do.. no shock there brother
Hi Clint, nowadays bikes are crossing over xc / trail for example the Scott Spark (not rc), the new Canyon Flux and the Epic EVO. 110 to 120 mm travel on these bikes, they are a bit slacker but still nippy. Would love to see a comparison of one of these bikes against a traditional xc and trail bike. Most blokes can only buy one bike and a bike like the ones in the examples may therefore be an ideal choice. Thank you for the posts, I enjoyed your Marmotte (spelling?) posts. Take care Ysbeer
Hi Clint....Great video....I have to admit, I rather 'over bike' in general then under. For me I'm more XC but you are never truly XC in the NorthEast at most places so I when I'm out there I prefer a little more slack and 2.6s for when those downhills are coming on those leisure rides. I'm losing some speed for sure, but rather have the confidence when the heavier stuff comes.
Maybe do the test in a more technical trail? I also have an XC hardtail and FS trail bike, there are trails I feel a lot more safe/confy/sure of myself with the trail bike even while I have dropper post in both of them.
Thanks for the great video, my question is for endurance races 8 hours or longer in the saddle...does the geometry of the trail bike make it more comfortable over the cross country bike for a long day in the saddle.
Not really. I found that the geometry really just affects the handling and rougher Terrain. Most people choose a cross-country bike for longer rides like that because of the pedaling efficiency. You would be worn out trying to Pedal a long-travel bike for 8 hours in my opinion.
Hi Clint, I am using a rigid bike since more than 4 years now for every XC or marathon races. Of course on training sessions a lot trail bike riders challenged me as they thought I would be not able to keep their pace. What shall i say, on no trial against no rider I lost! And I am riding a lot and a lot with others. I love my rigid bike and would never change back to any kind of suspension. You should try to make a comparison against a rigid bike! Hard work but a lot of fun and anybody start again to learn how to bike and how to manage a trial. PS: I am not saying you can't!!! :-)
can you do a comparison on a more technical trail that will put the cross country bike to the test
To put 2.6 tires on the trance 2 do you have to get wider rims?
Nice trip!
Interesting results wonder what the difference would be with a 31.5 pound Enduro with 6.5 inches of travel
Clint, please repeat this on the same tires as are on XC bike ;) tires make a lot of diffrences
I couldn't finish watching when I saw that you covered up the "damn" on your niners "pedal damn it" graphic. lol.
Would you consider a slightly under 20 pound cross country bike like the Cannondale or the epic, race bikes, for a long gravel ride and as a single track downhill bike and for some good pushes on pavement holding the center of the bars
Lightweight cross-country mountain bikes make really good gravel bikes. not quite as fast on payment but not too far off. You said downhill single track. Definitely not for rugged downhill single truck that is suited for an enduro or downhill bike.
I’d like to see the same test done in Pisgah Forest on some of the narley rocky descents.
+arlingtonguy54 the trail bike with smoke the cross-country bike up there. I love riding my trail bike in Pisgah National Forest!
I had a Gary fisher paragon and have now got a trek roscoe 9, certainly feels a lot slower now, fisher is so much lighter 26 inch wheels and 29 on the roscoe also roscoe has longer fork suspension, I like the fact with the roscoe I can hit harder terrain but wonder if I made the correct choice as I do miss the speed and less effort of the fisher
Thanks Clint, good content. I have the 2017Anthem 2 L and want to upgrade, I flex the the frame bunches on it.(255lb rider). The new Anthem 29 carbon felt a lot more stiff, I do not want just a xc bike thou. Looking at short travel 29” bike to do it all. Santa Cruz Tallboy, Jet 9 RDO Niner or possibly a pivot 29er? Carbon. You think that would be stiffer?
+Todd Goff carbon is definitely going to be stiffer and you've named some good ones there. if you're looking at bikes and that budget range you may also want to look at Yeti. I think the jet 9 RDO would be my pic of the bunch
Or maybe the Ibis Ripley Ls
Hey Clint. long time lurker, first time poster. After watching your midpriced vs high end trail bike series, I settled on buying myself a 2017 trance 2 (LBS had a sweet deal on it because its a year old and a hideous color) I already have an xc bike I love and I wanted something that would be more versatile for when I travel away from the Houston TX area into hill country. I will be upgrading the wheelset after Christmas but I was wondering what other modifications you could recommend to make the bike feel a little more like my XC bike. After riding it a few times, I love the way it descends but darn it I do miss the way my XC hardtail takes off like a rocket. I understand that I will never get this bike to feel like my Giant XTC 29er. but after my wheels are upgraded, where do I go from there? Do I modify shock and fork settings, modify stem length or switch components? Thanks in advance and keep making awesome videos!
+james ward light weight carbon wheels and faster tires (like Schwabe Rocket Ron) would be a big step. Maybe slightly longer stem. Run a bit more rebound damping and a tad less sag in suspension.
Clint Gibbs Thanks!
I would like to see this same test conducted in the mountains with at least 1500 ft of climbing per lap.
Nice vid, great comparison. But, i am very curious how big the difference is when you ride with the exact same tires + tire pressure on both the xc and the trail bike.
You see, i actually don't think the weight is going to be too much of a noticeable difference (unless you're racing maybe). And with your suspension set a bit stiffer on the trail bike, the overall extra resistance and power loss will be not that much compared to riding an xc bike, i guess?
I have a Strava KOM on my hardtail for a 6.5 mile trail. I was 8 minutes slower on the trail bike... :(
Leaves do suck, they are getting me right now in IL big time. Soon the snow will fly on top of them
My new Tallboy hauls A$$! It blurs the lines between trail and cross country. Just my opinion, but if you went to a tire with almost a continuous side edge on the front and more round in profile it would greatly improve the front end washing out. Any tire I've owned that has alternating side nobs is sketchy as hell. I've read countless reviews on Noby Nics that say they are unpredictable in corners. I hit some super click mud hidden beneath leaves on Friday on my Maxxis Minions and it stuck. The bike spun about 100 degrees but it bit down and kept it upright. I'm running and Ardent Race 2.35 and Minion 2.3 which is stock on the Tallboy. I also notice on softer dirt the carry speed a hell of a lot better than 2.1 & 2.2's I'd run in the past.
Clint on the trance, did you have to get wider rims to fit the 2.6 tires, reason I’m asking I bought a trance 2
+charles tilson I used the stock rims with a 2.6. They work fine. If your trance 2 is a 2017 or 2018 then you'll be fine with the current rims and frame with 2.6 tires.
Thank u
I have one other ? I do believe you rode both the 2017 and 2018, did you feel a real difference in the gearing ratio of both bikes, the 17 having the 11x42 with 32 and the 18 having the 18 has the 11x46 with 30?
Am I hearing you correctly that you race pace was slower on both bikes than the endurance pace? @ 3:26 you say you got a 14:19 on your race pace XC bike, and @ 4:49, you said your endurance pace lap was 14:12. And similarly on the trail bike times. Did you reverse the lap times? Or am I just missing something?
+Dan Spalding they were different sections. As in the race Pace lap was a different section of Trail than the endurance riding lap. I didn't want to get bored with doing the same Loop!
Ah, ok. I get it now. I was mondo-confused by that.
Thx for the review. I have a 2017 stumpy about 28 lbs. Lately I’ve been doing xc racing and of course I’m curious about buying a $5000 xc bike. Ugh! Not sure if I should. $$&
If you're losing races by a minute or two and it really bothers you then you probably need a full suspension race bike. But if you're just out there to have fun and push yourself then the stumpy would be okay. You may just want to get some smaller tires.
Manuel Fumic was successfully racing XCO World Cups, which are gnarly as hell, on his F-Si Hardtail! Your singletracks on the over hand are really flat and easy... So from my point of view, it makes absolutely zero sense to even consider a modern long travel trail bike similar to 2018 Giant Trance, in such circumstances. Trail bike = jumping, rocks, aggressive breathtaking descends, bike parks to some extent! For everything less, XC bike is more than adequate! ;)
Interesting. 780 is wide for east coast riding. I have 740 and it's quite enough thank you!
I love this stuff too!! Any plans to start wearing a gimbal?
I do have a gimbal now. Haven't used it in a while because I can't talk with it while it's on my chest because I cannot put the windscreen over it.
Clint Gibbs Either way you're really knowledgeable and have interesting topics. Nice job!
+Clint Gibbs What's the weight of your Niner RKT9 RD with pedals?
23.3
To get it that low, did you go tubeless with the lightest tires.
I’m curious if you did this again with the Spur if it’d be closer now.
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how's the dpx2 shock compared to the older float?
+Live Aeons feels a bit more linear in its travel. Very smooth shock, but not a huge difference
Crazy I was faster on my Scott Genius 150 mm full suspension bike than my Trek Super Fly 10 kg bike. On 30 km ride.
Scott Genius is 12+ kg
Trek Superfly 9.8 is 10+ kg
power meter?
Are you using 2.3 tires on the XC bike?
2.25
Clint Gibbs nice, looks nice, I’m running 2.1 and I want to go as wide as I can. But I don’t think I can get 2.5 on the Epic 👎🏾
Anthem 27 2018 falls between pure cross-country (Anthem 29) and trail bike (Trance).
Thanks so much! This video speaks exactly to the question I was asking myself regarding my next bike.
I have a 2017 Roscoe 8 and I have loved every minute of it and put about 2000 miles on it. I have done 4 races on it, with a skinny wheel set up on the front. Obviously, still not a fast bike.
I thought your use case analysis right at the end was spot on: the cross country bike on flat trails or any race. Otherwise, the trail bike for the mountains. Simple.
As another rider pointed out, guys like me might have the temptation to go for one of these 110 mm fast trail bikes. Like the Scott spark, etc. I have some desire for a full suspension to be able to jump with a little more confidence, and I would also like to go faster. My buddy just bought a very high dollar Pivot 429, and I am sure it is both faster and more trail capable than my old Roscoe!
So the question becomes do I buy a jack of all trades, and just maybe use the Roscoe in the winter time. Or do I go for the absolute fastest cross country set up, and also get a longer suspension trail bike.
Decisions decisions.
Thank you so much, just wanted to let you know where my head was at as one of your viewers.
150mm travel from a 27lb bike... holy moly
If you click the "gear" icon in TH-cam, go to "Speed" and click "0.25," you too can experience my POV on the trail!
Also, you gotta include your near misses!
+Shelby Powell wish I had the camera rolling on my slide out. It was pretty spectacular.
i cut my 780 bar down to 750. now I'm not hitting trees with my bar anymore on my favorite trails in n.e. ga
I cut mine from 780 to 760 because I couldn't fit across a small bridge on my locals, I missed the leverage at first and still wish I'd kept a few extra mm
I got 800s
Love the tape over part of the slogan on the top tube! :)
Gross, that almost makes me want to unsub.
good stuff, now let's put you on a hard tail 29er say xtc and see how you go. also true cyclist quotes weight in kgs and speed in kms you know. keep up the great work.
flow cycling lol I don't know about true cyclist but I would appreciate metric quotes as well
Woah a 1x on a xc full sus? I'm surprised
Do the test with powermeter
+todd utter gladly accepting donations for a couple of power meters! 😉
notification squad checking in. for the record, I only ride trail bikes ;-)
Biking With Panda nothing else?
besides yo mama? nothing else XD
I lied, I have a road bike that I really hate.
haha I was tryna coax that yo mama bit outta you :P
If you don´t use the same tires, the same presure in both bikes, the experiment is just another waste of time. Try to put enought waight in the xc bike to equate the trail bike...
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Tomi Saaranen Howdy! How are you?
Mtb Wheelie Nut Hey i'm doing great! How about you?
I’m doing fine. I broke my collar bone on a sketchy jump a few months ago, then I healed up and got back on my bike, but not five days later I fell of a 4 foot ledge instead of riding of it and I tore some cartilage in my knee. I’m feeling much better now, but my helmet worked phenomenally and cracked. I need a new one but my birthday is in two days!
Ouch. Pretty unlucky, I hope you will be soon shredding on the trails.
And happy birthday!
Leaves then don't ride in the great lake states
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Compression trashed this vid....;/
Let me understand this you're going to do a back-to-back "comparison" with two different sets of tires?!?! #invalid #skewed and on top of that you're testing a 29er versus a 27.5?
Completely and utterly disappointing in this so-called side-by-side comparison. Although it really isn't a comparison that all.
+Flying Lap Productions you missed the point of the comparison. The point is to figure out if a trail bike, set up as a trail bike, would somewhat keep pace with an XC bike. This in effect answers the question of whether a trail bike (again, set up as a trail bike) could be fast enough on XC trails and be the "one bike" in a quiver. It would not make sense to swap tires every time you rode XC-type trails. So in my view the test was very valid.
Clint Gibbs no I didn't miss the point Clint. but you can't compare different bikes on different tires if you're going to be comparing their outright speed. never mind that the 29er rolls much faster anyway, but now you're not even testing a controlled group, it's not a comparison at all.
Clint Gibbs now if you were testing tires you would do it on the same machine using different sets but you're testing the speed of a type of bike the least you could do to make the test more reliable and credible is utilize the same compound and same tread design tires on the different style type of bikes.
+Flying Lap Productions I keep my tests pretty grass-roots to be suitable for most "average Joe" riders. I don't have access to a vast variety of gear (e.g. multiple sets of tires), as most riders don't either. Follow me?
Clint Gibbs no I don't follow it doesn't make any sense to me. Just like another viewer posted comments below, the least you could do to make the test somewhat comparable is riding on the same tires that's really not asking too much. I don't see the point of testing two different bikes on two different sets of tires what are you accomplishing by that? It has nothing to do with being Grassroots. I understand that concept, but your so-called tests or comparison has no relevance that's my point.