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I once attended a prayer service with an enlightened buddhist master. She said "our prayer today will not only benefit beings who are in the future or now, it will benefit those who are in the past". (retro causation). Same as said in another anecdote by St Padre Pio, who spoke about praying for his dead father to reduce his pain before dying who had passed years ago.
Not all Buddhists are logical. Mahayana Buddhism is full of syncretic bits and pieces. 'Enlightened' indeed, according to whom? The historical Buddha knew there was no cause and effect for prayer to benefit those already dead, it benefits the person praying.
Every so often, since early age, I would pretend to be in the future, talking about the present as if it were the past. I would do this for therapeutic reasons. In this imagined future, I would say things about the present like, "I remember when I thought that pain or situation would never end, but it got a lot better shortly after". In some ways it does feel like you're changing the present and even the past from the future. I think these things are built into us if we look for them or just be spontaneous.
I have recently tried to visualize a more evolved incarnation of my soul and ask it for any advice it would give me to help me make more informed choices. The first time I didn't get anything, but at that time my plate was pretty full. Now I'm getting some advice that only time can prove or disprove as being true/useful, if it works it should be interesting.
I had a dream a couple of weeks back and just as I was waking from it, a voice said " the reason you dream is to inspire creation" it really blew me away. I'd been asking myself before going to sleep why such heavy dreams and I got an answer. So cool.
I love this so much. I left my youtube watch list running overnight as I slept, and I woke up at 3am to this. It made so much sense to me. I am so grateful for this valuable channel!
Is there any other way to see reality except through our preferences? Bernardo Kastrup could add some interesting thoughts to this discussion. My "preference" is to watch this video and leave with some fresh insights. So if I set aside my preference and look at it for what it is...what is it? You know? You know what I mean? We just trade one preference for another...you know.
@@peggyharris3815 interesting thoughts , but if I'm not mistaken this implies that we can never find out the true nature of reality , because if reality exists apart from us it has its own composition and characteristics that define it , this is a great philosophical riddle , your idea is true , we observe reality and we define it based on our perception , therefore our definition of what reality is whether it is true or not is by default a human product , something that can be a subject of agreement or disagreement based on preference favouring on vision of reality over another , but we realized that long time ago and it is the basis of scientific method , any prediction must be based on study of data and for the prediction to be true it has to be verified through experiment and repetition , if lets say ten scientists did the same experiment in different places and got the same results , we conclude that the prediction is valid not by personal preference but because in neutral conditions apart from human intervention the results matches the hypothesis , if you predict that an object falling from a high point will hit the ground and not stop midway and stay static you are not expressing a personal preference based view , you just follow the pattern of natural order or reality observation based prediction , if someone says a man fell from the bridge and walked on water to the shore , this does not fit the the order of how things happen in reality , does that mean it absolutely did not happen ? no , do we then conclude the person is lying based on preference ? yes , unless there is a hard evidence favouring one view over the other , like a drown body found in the lake of that person , but in the absence of undisputable evidence we cannot say that all preferences are equal , the more evidence you have the stronger your case gets ,
@@peggyharris3815 you can try it and see what happens , If you set aside your preference and look at it for what it is , something will happen , you will get what is present ,if there is rich content you will get it , if there is nothing to it you won't , you don't decide to become wise or smart , even if you prefer to be your preference is not the thing that will make it happen or make it real , the natural order is what shapes things
yes..I appreciate your point. I do not prefer to see the ketchup stain on my 👕 and denial is insanity. One of many stories about Einstein that relates to our topic is: He was teaching physics and a colleague asked him why he hadn't changed the questions on the exam year after year. He said, "The questions remain the same; its the answers that change." So...I agree with you. There seems to be a hierarchy of preferences that define reality. But that ketchup stain is hard reality and obvious to the perception of all who have eyes.
Makes me think of Bohm's implicate order, "Bohm believed that his body was a microcosm of the macrocosm, and that the universe was a mystical place where past, present, and future coexisted. He postulated the existence of a realm of pure information (the implicate order) from which the physical, observable phenomena unfold." futurism.com/david-bohm-and-the-holographic-universe
It's so good that the intelligence that created the universe, planet and us has made it so intriguing as to give us a consciousness that has some visibility into the future. It's personal to each of us of course, but for me, at my age of 67, the beauty in nature and our planet is some kind of proof. The extra intrigue of esp etc just makes life all the more enjoyable for those of us who want to think beyond. Thanks for this interview.
I think there are many different types of dreams. I've had dreams where I return to places in the dream state (places that seem familiar but I don't recognise from my life) and see the same people there who sometimes even remind me of our last conversation and question me on things from last time I was there. I've also had pre cognition dreams years ago about big things that happened the following day that I wasn't expecting, I've had alternate versions of this reality dreams where family members are still here but have lived different lives so their personalities are slightly different based on the lives they lived. For instance my dad was still my dad, he was just a bit different. And I've also had dreams where I'm not even me, I'm someone else with another life, different skills, different friends etc. So I think there's probably more to dreams than we can even begin to imagine at this point of our human evolution.
Excellent talk. It took me quite a while to learn something he mentions, which is that my precognitive dreams were often not of the event but of my experience of the event. A good example that helped me get this was dreaming of watching a movie, which had not been produced yet. It would have been easy to confuse this movie with actual events.
"which is that my precognitive dreams were often not of the event but of my experience of the event." - Travis Point well made. Experience is the mode of an Individual learning process. The experience of the Individual is typically missed or ignore for other agendas.
Also stated this for Stephan A. Schwartz's most recent interview: If Jesus, Buddha or Mohammed did not exist, and I'm not saying they did not, then I think we could have created them with our intentioned, focused awareness. Could also be retro-causal, for instance, a mythical figure or a regular person in the past receives, en masse, thousands of years worth of love, reverence, worship, hope, dreams and payers. If the person did not exist, couldn't he or she be retrocausally 'born' by this? If it was a normal person who did exist already, couldn't he or she be somehow changed by the focused, intentioned awareness? Maybe we could call this the Retrocausal Gepetto theory. Gepetto created a real boy from the puppet, Pinocchio, through so much hope, prayer and longing.
"What if ordinary time perception is indeed an approximation of a deeper reality that resides beyond the everyday appearances of space and time? When that deeper reality is perceived from outside the confines of space-time, perhaps both past and future would be observed to influence the present." --Dean Radin, Supernormal
I purchased Eric's book 'Time Loops' based on another interview between Jefferey and Lori Williams. To be honest it looked quite itimidating and I was anxious if I would be able to grasp the concepts. Should not have worried as I soon and I read the first chapter I was hooked and realised this book has been written with a view to being accessible. It does challenge and there were a few sections I had to re-read but mostly because I wanted to check I'd read and understood the information correctly. It's a very exciting book and raises all sorts of questions.
The causeless cause. It runs through so many philosophies, including the Vedas. Christians sometimes think it was only Jesus......no. The idea is ancient.
My personal view is there is likely also a genetic component to it. As one of my precognitions was, it turned out, through someone else’s eyes, someone who has the same surname as my mother’s maiden name. The dream felt like a ‘lived experience’, the ‘reality’ on the other hand was disconnected, and in fact watching a movie with an actor playing the role I dreamt and felt I was. If that makes sense.
This is a very important topic. Probability is inherent in the notion of self fulfilling prophecy, which is the basis of your model. Without it we are just dealing with prophecy. I would suggest that the essence of consciousness is it's ability to override determinism.
Each time we tackle something with joy, each time we open our eyes toward a yet untouched distance we transform not only this and the next moment, but we also rearrange and gradually assimilate the past inside of us.- Rainer Maria Rilke
I can't speak for everybody but I know that I see things with my eyes open, before they happen. And it's not my eyes I'm looking through it someone else's. For me to take credit for any of it would be wrong and the gift would be removed from me.
Reminds me of the Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, which posits that the quantum wave function travels both forward and backward through time. The transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics (TIQM) takes the wave function of the standard quantum formalism, and its complex conjugate, to be retarded (forward in time) and advanced (backward in time) waves that form a quantum interaction as a Wheeler-Feynman handshake or transaction.
Precognative dreams happen to me exactly like jw done. I see events that has happened and i think of them in my dream. Like score of football game. mu-w 3-3
The issue with this is that as forward as this thinking is it is still one foot inside the box and once he starts thinking of time in a nonlinear frame of mind and that all exists at once while still being connected a whole lot of new possibilities opens up. Most of western thinking is linear only and very limited.
The Road of Time by French physicist Phillipe Guillermant is a good book on all this; he only has tow videos in English. He believes in retrocausality and free will
Do you know the work of the engineer and physicist Philippe Guillemant? His model reconciles determinism and free will. Off the top of my head (pardon my poor summary), he's openly inspired by Jacques Vallée and he develops a very structured model of time and causality, admits retrocausation and synchronicities. It is like determinism is a thing until we act upon it: the future is written (and pulls us towards it - much like the creode and the Omega Point hypotheses) unless we decide to change it. Such a feat is possible because we are conscious beings, whose "soul"/awareness resides outside of conventional space and time - thereby allowing for a non-finite and thus cohesive universe, according to his interpretation of Gödel's incompleteness theorem.
I don't think his theory accounts for all dreams. The fact that we have the ability to lucid dream shows that all dreams are not precognition. In fact in some ways it points to freewill. The dream telepathy experiments also show that all dreams are not precognition. The dream problem is multi faceted. I personally favor the Buddhist theory that the dream world is a bardo realm.
We are Consciousness in a Consciousness Singularity with axiomatic Perception In Consciousness, partitioned bits of Primary Consciousness of, by, and within Primary Consciousness. The material world is Perception In Consciousness. Simple, monistic. Planck was right: Consciousness is fundamental, and matter derives from Consciousness (as Perception In Consciousness).
This is very interesting in that it could be an explanation of why or how it took me 30 years to find the needed key that allowed me to work out the resolution of the original dream. Was the original dream a precognitive expression of my future experience?
The ideas that are relevant to the reality I was born into came to me in real life, but reading the Greek texts made me aware of the fact that human minds receive information as C. G. Jung wrote, in myths, fairy tales and dreams as well as in texts written long ago. Below I qoute from a Greek drama, its not my favorite translation of the idea that a male can give birth, (immaculate conception) as the creation of Athena from the 'head' of Zeus speaks,, but its in line with my experience of being 'born, fully grown from her father's head. My father gave birth to me almost literally. History is his story, that was not easy to write only 30 years ago. The past doesn't exist except as memory, and in individual 'understanding' and the few documents that have information in them. Some other method of transmission obviously exists. The kind of memory that E. Swedenborg wrote about, which he wrote can be accessed. 'Now' is the future and the past in a stream, isn't it? And Steiner experienced that stream as the Akashic records but my own past is what I've experienced. And its obvious the past is linked to the future, individually, to a degree that is amazingly difficult to convey to someone other than the personal experiencer. A real genius would not consider the seemingly trivial events that can be important, critical to notice and understand as information conveyed from the other, higher world(s?) "Swedenborg wrote that I can't remember the exact book and paragraph ... A rocket scientist would laugh at the meaning hidden in plain sight when the time is the right moment! My first thought at age 2+ was connected directly to many points in our future but teachers in school were apparently aware in some way of my future, mine specifically and I"m not claiming to be special in any way. The Athena in ancient reality was a fact about the real relationship in families, 'bonds' that few notice and try to understand as information whose time has come. "Bonds" are in the forefront of attention now.... I wish the speaker didn't use his hands so constantly, its distracting. "APOLLO speaks: I’ll explain this too; you mark how rightly I speak. To what we call her child, the natural mother is no true parent, but a fosterer. The parent is the one who plants it there, 660 the male who spurts his seed within her womb; all she does, like a host who feeds a guest, is grow his seedling in her-if god wills. This is my case; and I can show a proof. There can be fathers even without mothers: that much is proved right here, by Athene, whose father’s Zeus, and no one is her mother. Is she a child a womb could have brought forth?
Dreams are not wish fulfillment. Dreams track our unconscious feelings that are usually just under the surface. At least they are if people are in touch with their personal stresses. For example, I want to move from my current county. This morning I dreamt of being in someone's apartment, trying to understand where the owner was, since no one was present. Dreams can be complex; however, they are important to understand.
So, if I dreamt I felt deep sadness while seeing Princess Diana and 2 other people in wooden coffins, it was because I was going to feel deep sadness 19-months later when I heard about the car accident on the news? I was presponding to a future event. Interesting.
Something out of nothing, is not just a protestant work ethic criticism, it is a fundamental "energy cannot be created nor destroyed" or "all changes require work (expending energy) to come about". Thus, Deutsch's argument against who creates the first innovation in the "reading your own invention from the future" is a valid from the physics point of view, UNLESS everything that ever was, ever is AND ever will be - has always been, and does not need to be created. Then again, if such is true, why work on anything?
I wanted to get into this interview/discussion but Wargo just does not make a compelling argument for his theory. He's all over the place. Was hoping for examples that might support his retrocognition beliefs. Big gap between precognition and retrocognition and I did not get any sense of a bridge between the two. If we are in a deterministic reality any breadcrumbs to help us understand would be welcome. Tough interview for Jeffrey.
I am looking into the doubling theory which is new to me. Can you recommend reading viewing material about it or would you be willing to engage in a conversation about it? Thank you for this wonderful new direction of exploration!!
I really cannot because it is tangental to much of physics and to quantim theory in particular. There is a book in English by Malet and his wife that I found helpful if a bit frustrating. It's on Kindle for $25 which is steep for me. I cannot have conversation other than via email at steverose@gmail.com I think the idea is correct even if the particular idea is ill expressed. The future as well as the past are knowable and the future can be altered by our knowing and affirming.
@@StephenCRose thank you for the response. I will email this morning and being the first contact it may go to your spam/junk folder. That is more than the usual Kindle book.
Eric didn't very well, simply describe what a time-loop is on the offset. Also those earplugs he's wearing are annoying me lol sorry don't usually post a negative comment, but when you hit the ground running from the first question it can be overwhelming lol
So many of the examples given as being "coming from the future", could be just a deep reading of the present time, factoring in many hidden influences that can't be detected by the human being limited by it's 6 senses. Volcano eruptions, disaster predictions, Freud's mouth cancer etc.... so many of the conditions that result in the outcomes, are already in place at the time of the dream. So why do we need this deterministic theory to explain dream prophecies? There are better ones that don't include the tormented need for time travel.Psychologically it is dis-empowering. Many of my "newage" friends have internalized this notion as if it is already a proven fact. I've toyed with it myself and found it to be the opposite of useful for my personal spiritual path. I realize that our understanding of "reality" is meager to say the least, but personally I gravitate towards simplicity. My actual experience lies in the here and now...right..."Be Here Now". Because that is where I actually am... everything in the "past" or "future" is an abstraction, conjured by the conceptual mind in the "here and now". Of course.... my experience of the here and now is limited, but it is always here and now and always trumps the stuff parading through my conceptual mind. If the "here and now" isn't what is MOST real, than all that meditation I've done over all those years have been a waste of time. I can't accept that.
I like this: "So many of the examples given as being "coming from the future", could be just a deep reading of the present time, factoring in many hidden influences that can't be detected by the human being limited by it's 6 senses" There is a seventh sense, that may develop the ability to read deeply the 'now'. The first experience I had with the older Thinking Allowed videos introduced me to ECCO, a word that is pronounced as 'echo', although John Lilly introduced the meaning that was so new to me at that point in 'time'. It was 4 decades ago. I'm an old lady now and my time is almost at its end, a word that also means 'goal'. Both definitions must be used. I was reading a book, its Joseph Chilton Pearces' Bond of Power which I just found as a pdf that anyone can read and learn a lot about the mind and time : http//selfdefinition.org/psychology/Joseph-Chilton-Pearce-Spiritual-Initiation-Breakthrough.pdf Korzybski wrote that the human is a 'time binder', a kind of memory bank before the advent of technology we have now. Einsteins' equation seems to me to say we are both sides, matter and energy although it says something a bit funny. A few decades ago I noticed the letters and symbols form a statement that answered his statement that 'God does not take risks" but lots of data from my life are linked to that bit. I know God did take a Risk. at least one. I am an idea, information, that's been proved to me in a way I can't doubt. Jeffery Mishloves' work has been a life saver to me in the beginning which was a single event that extends from my first memory aimed at 1984 and afterwards, now. I needed information and he supplied it on video tape and in his big book about consciousness. I can't think of time except as a measure of some movement and naming a point in time, a location, a particular slot of some duration. Space probably existed before man was told he needed to conceive the idea of 'time' and counting.
Isn't the very notion of time, a helpful yet fairly transparent illusion, which we use to order our lives? This fellow is tangled up in time loops, when all we have is the pristine present. A clue to the reconciliation between the Einsteinian relativistic model of the universe and the quantum, is the Buddhist notion that there are two ways of interpreting reality, these being the everyday and the absolute. Time and space only exist in an everyday sense.
Very interesting , and great references , I like Buddhism and eastern philosophy , and it proves something , there is an empirical structured formal way of investigating nature of things mainly through science but the thing that makes me think a lot is , scientific method did not just appear out of nothing , people used the same methods in different ways , through meditation and observation of the natural order in different frameworks , started building models simulating the thing and trying to make better models as they go , I think of it as a theatrical scene where you have four people one tastes a cup of tea and says " it"s hot" , the second tastes it and says " it"s too sweet " , the third is looking at them saying " it is a cup of tea" and the fourth the confused fool character says " ok guys enough of this , what is it ? ! " no one is wrong and no one is right , it is a hot , too sweet cup of tea , and getting the whole big picture doesn't bring any special satisfaction in contrast with a narrow impression about just some aspects of it .
We gonna forget Carl Jung's actual writings on dream interpretation and synchronicity? After saying that dream interpretation has basically been debunked. 🤔 Also, look into CCRUs concept of 'Hyperstition' which already exists, as well as the 'deep anthropic principle' which is what you're describing later in the video.
its a currios phenomenon indeed. actually, its quite surprising we can forsee or expect any future events at all, with all the uncountable quantum interactions existing everywhere. is seems our minds can sometimes hold representations detailed and accurate enough to take into account more than might seem posdible, and of course there is the fact that if one didnt make such projections, then there would be now way for the events to happen, so how can you call that a prediction. fascinating. yes. time loops. a locust of attention without containing a past or future. how could one ever detect such a thing? very currious. :)
Anyone reading this,likely,sees that time is an illusion. Past, PRESENT And future existing at the same "time",Beyond cognition .Fun to talk about. Don't think the creator understands itself
And the Devil said, "Dinner Time... I'll light the Candle..." And Then There Was Light... Jeff... "just to define what you mean by time loop..." @01:32... Eric... "it is a self-fulfilling prophecy..." and he will spend the rest of his life looking for it... what a waste!!! Thx... how can a man write a book about "time loops" while knowing "absolutely" nothing about time... he has no "concept" of it at all... by his own words. I'm confused!!! maybe disinformation... stirring the mud with the stick of ignorance... 06:01..."I don't pretend to be a cosmologists nor a physicist..." Sci-Fi to reality in 90 days...? maybe hes being on that "big wheel" too long... maybe one of the controllers of that "big wheel"... he says, his goal was to get people onto his "big wheel" with his book... @11:10... "I'm really trying to change people's minds here..." th-cam.com/video/Um7pMggPnug/w-d-xo.html
Eric Wargo suffers from a race of thoughts, not talking about a narrative, quickly jumps from topic to topic and, as a result, says nothing specific. I watched 46 minutes in the third attempt. I have suffered and I will not try again. I became interested in the book and the topic on which I have a lot to say myself, because I am a clairvoyant, and I can also manifest solutions and matters through meditation and hypnosis, but Eric knows how to say nothing, so I don't expect anything from his book. Dear Eric, as a Phd, you should realize that if an outstanding professor is unable to convey the content of the lecture, his students are not taught anything. You have the right to speak for yourself and write for your own pleasure. However, if you want someone to take part in it, practice what you have to say, go to a course of speech and rhetoric, pay for an acting coach who will help you overcome your nervousness.In 45 minutes you did not even partly refer to the material of the book, the main assumptions and your own intellectual contribution to explanatory theories. Your basic lack is the lack of skills in building logical, understandable statements. Yours faithfully.
you know whats crazy, it's actually hard to read what you wrote. literally everything you're describing about him is exactly you and you seem to have no idea!
I just finished reading Wargo’s “Dreamwork and the Long Self”. Good book…until…the last few pages. And then he spewed forth every Democratic talking point - BLM, anti-police, climate change. It made absolutely no sense to include such political claptrap in a book about precognition. Tainted everything before it. I’ll have to pass on “Time Loops”.
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Eric Wargo is obviously a moron.... no thinking allowed wont receive any support until you start actually thinking.... show me you can think.
I once attended a prayer service with an enlightened buddhist master. She said "our prayer today will not only benefit beings who are in the future or now, it will benefit those who are in the past". (retro causation). Same as said in another anecdote by St Padre Pio, who spoke about praying for his dead father to reduce his pain before dying who had passed years ago.
Startling..
Not all Buddhists are logical. Mahayana Buddhism is full of syncretic bits and pieces. 'Enlightened' indeed, according to whom? The historical Buddha knew there was no cause and effect for prayer to benefit those already dead, it benefits the person praying.
Every so often, since early age, I would pretend to be in the future, talking about the present as if it were the past. I would do this for therapeutic reasons. In this imagined future, I would say things about the present like, "I remember when I thought that pain or situation would never end, but it got a lot better shortly after". In some ways it does feel like you're changing the present and even the past from the future. I think these things are built into us if we look for them or just be spontaneous.
Yes! This works! XLNT!
I have recently tried to visualize a more evolved incarnation of my soul and ask it for any advice it would give me to help me make more informed choices. The first time I didn't get anything, but at that time my plate was pretty full. Now I'm getting some advice that only time can prove or disprove as being true/useful, if it works it should be interesting.
I had a dream a couple of weeks back and just as I was waking from it, a voice said " the reason you dream is to inspire creation" it really blew me away. I'd been asking myself before going to sleep why such heavy dreams and I got an answer. So cool.
Write about these dreams or make videos. I want to hear!
I love this so much. I left my youtube watch list running overnight as I slept, and I woke up at 3am to this. It made so much sense to me. I am so grateful for this valuable channel!
I like what he said " if we want to understand reality, we should set aside our preferences and look at reality"
Profound!
Is there any other way to see reality except through our preferences?
Bernardo Kastrup could add some interesting thoughts to this discussion.
My "preference" is to watch this video and leave with some fresh insights. So if I set aside my preference and look at it for what it is...what is it? You know? You know what I mean?
We just trade one preference for another...you know.
@@peggyharris3815 interesting thoughts , but if I'm not mistaken this implies that we can never find out the true nature of reality , because if reality exists apart from us it has its own composition and characteristics that define it , this is a great philosophical riddle , your idea is true , we observe reality and we define it based on our perception , therefore our definition of what reality is whether it is true or not is by default a human product , something that can be a subject of agreement or disagreement based on preference favouring on vision of reality over another , but we realized that long time ago and it is the basis of scientific method , any prediction must be based on study of data and for the prediction to be true it has to be verified through experiment and repetition , if lets say ten scientists did the same experiment in different places and got the same results , we conclude that the prediction is valid not by personal preference but because in neutral conditions apart from human intervention the results matches the hypothesis , if you predict that an object falling from a high point will hit the ground and not stop midway and stay static you are not expressing a personal preference based view , you just follow the pattern of natural order or reality observation based prediction , if someone says a man fell from the bridge and walked on water to the shore , this does not fit the the order of how things happen in reality , does that mean it absolutely did not happen ? no , do we then conclude the person is lying based on preference ? yes , unless there is a hard evidence favouring one view over the other , like a drown body found in the lake of that person , but in the absence of undisputable evidence we cannot say that all preferences are equal , the more evidence you have the stronger your case gets ,
@@peggyharris3815 you can try it and see what happens , If you set aside your preference and look at it for what it is , something will happen , you will get what is present ,if there is rich content you will get it , if there is nothing to it you won't , you don't decide to become wise or smart , even if you prefer to be your preference is not the thing that will make it happen or make it real , the natural order is what shapes things
yes..I appreciate your point. I do not prefer to see the ketchup stain on my 👕 and denial is insanity.
One of many stories about Einstein that relates to our topic is: He was teaching physics and a colleague asked him why he hadn't changed the questions on the exam year after year. He said, "The questions remain the same; its the answers that change."
So...I agree with you. There seems to be a hierarchy of preferences that define reality.
But that ketchup stain is hard reality and obvious to the perception of all who have eyes.
Me watching this video is what caused the video to be made in the first place. You're welcome, Dr. Mishlove. 😇
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Me reading your 3 yr old comment about watching this video is what caused the person to create it in the first place. And so it goes . . .
Makes me think of Bohm's implicate order, "Bohm believed that his body was a microcosm of the macrocosm, and that the universe was a mystical place where past, present, and future coexisted. He postulated the existence of a realm of pure information (the implicate order) from which the physical, observable phenomena unfold."
futurism.com/david-bohm-and-the-holographic-universe
If there was a virgin birth, by definition there could be no "big Bang." 😂
It's so good that the intelligence that created the universe, planet and us has made it so intriguing as to give us a consciousness that has some visibility into the future. It's personal to each of us of course, but for me, at my age of 67, the beauty in nature and our planet is some kind of proof. The extra intrigue of esp etc just makes life all the more enjoyable for those of us who want to think beyond. Thanks for this interview.
I think there are many different types of dreams. I've had dreams where I return to places in the dream state (places that seem familiar but I don't recognise from my life) and see the same people there who sometimes even remind me of our last conversation and question me on things from last time I was there. I've also had pre cognition dreams years ago about big things that happened the following day that I wasn't expecting, I've had alternate versions of this reality dreams where family members are still here but have lived different lives so their personalities are slightly different based on the lives they lived. For instance my dad was still my dad, he was just a bit different. And I've also had dreams where I'm not even me, I'm someone else with another life, different skills, different friends etc. So I think there's probably more to dreams than we can even begin to imagine at this point of our human evolution.
Excellent talk. It took me quite a while to learn something he mentions, which is that my precognitive dreams were often not of the event but of my experience of the event. A good example that helped me get this was dreaming of watching a movie, which had not been produced yet. It would have been easy to confuse this movie with actual events.
"which is that my precognitive dreams were often not of the event but of my experience of the event." - Travis
Point well made. Experience is the mode of an Individual learning process. The experience of the Individual is typically missed or ignore for other agendas.
Also stated this for Stephan A. Schwartz's most recent interview: If Jesus, Buddha or Mohammed did not exist, and I'm not saying they did not, then I think we could have created them with our intentioned, focused awareness. Could also be retro-causal, for instance, a mythical figure or a regular person in the past receives, en masse, thousands of years worth of love, reverence, worship, hope, dreams and payers. If the person did not exist, couldn't he or she be retrocausally 'born' by this? If it was a normal person who did exist already, couldn't he or she be somehow changed by the focused, intentioned awareness? Maybe we could call this the Retrocausal Gepetto theory. Gepetto created a real boy from the puppet, Pinocchio, through so much hope, prayer and longing.
That's called memetics and hyperstition.
"What if ordinary time perception is indeed an approximation of a deeper reality that resides beyond the everyday appearances of space and time? When that deeper reality is perceived from outside the confines of space-time, perhaps both past and future would be observed to influence the present." --Dean Radin, Supernormal
I purchased Eric's book 'Time Loops' based on another interview between Jefferey and Lori Williams. To be honest it looked quite itimidating and I was anxious if I would be able to grasp the concepts. Should not have worried as I soon and I read the first chapter I was hooked and realised this book has been written with a view to being accessible. It does challenge and there were a few sections I had to re-read but mostly because I wanted to check I'd read and understood the information correctly. It's a very exciting book and raises all sorts of questions.
I had a feeling that this precognition video is waiting for me ; )
What did you think of your review? lol
fascinating -- please bring him back on
The causeless cause. It runs through so many philosophies, including the Vedas. Christians sometimes think it was only Jesus......no. The idea is ancient.
Mind bending. Excellent interview.
My personal view is there is likely also a genetic component to it. As one of my precognitions was, it turned out, through someone else’s eyes, someone who has the same surname as my mother’s maiden name. The dream felt like a ‘lived experience’, the ‘reality’ on the other hand was disconnected, and in fact watching a movie with an actor playing the role I dreamt and felt I was. If that makes sense.
This is a very important topic. Probability is inherent in the notion of self fulfilling prophecy, which is the basis of your model. Without it we are just dealing with prophecy. I would suggest that the essence of consciousness is it's ability to override determinism.
Each time we tackle something with joy, each time we open our eyes toward a yet untouched distance we transform not only this and the next moment, but we also rearrange and gradually assimilate the past inside of us.- Rainer Maria Rilke
Yes =) It also helps to be aware that when we remember the past it isn't the past happening again.
“Remembrance of things past is not necessarily the remembrance of things as they were.”
― Marcel Proust
I can't speak for everybody but I know that I see things with my eyes open, before they happen. And it's not my eyes I'm looking through it someone else's. For me to take credit for any of it would be wrong and the gift would be removed from me.
me too but in my case it is me who sees...
Reminds me of the Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, which posits that the quantum wave function travels both forward and backward through time. The transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics (TIQM) takes the wave function of the standard quantum formalism, and its complex conjugate, to be retarded (forward in time) and advanced (backward in time) waves that form a quantum interaction as a Wheeler-Feynman handshake or transaction.
It could go beyond this, we could be entangled with other versions of ourselves within the MWI multiverse and affecting ourselves that way as well.
Looking forward to hearing more from mr Wargo
I've noticed the retrocausation loop in a lot of parapsychology stuff. possibly the main mode of operation.
Precognative dreams happen to me exactly like jw done. I see events that has happened and i think of them in my dream. Like score of football game. mu-w 3-3
The issue with this is that as forward as this thinking is it is still one foot inside the box and once he starts thinking of time in a nonlinear frame of mind and that all exists at once while still being connected a whole lot of new possibilities opens up. Most of western thinking is linear only and very limited.
The Road of Time by French physicist Phillipe Guillermant is a good book on all this; he only has tow videos in English. He believes in retrocausality and free will
Do you know the work of the engineer and physicist Philippe Guillemant? His model reconciles determinism and free will.
Off the top of my head (pardon my poor summary), he's openly inspired by Jacques Vallée and he develops a very structured model of time and causality, admits retrocausation and synchronicities. It is like determinism is a thing until we act upon it: the future is written (and pulls us towards it - much like the creode and the Omega Point hypotheses) unless we decide to change it. Such a feat is possible because we are conscious beings, whose "soul"/awareness resides outside of conventional space and time - thereby allowing for a non-finite and thus cohesive universe, according to his interpretation of Gödel's incompleteness theorem.
Keep getting more Interesting hope you might talk about levitation bilocation or just plain old psychokinesis again
I don't think his theory accounts for all dreams. The fact that we have the ability to lucid dream shows that all dreams are not precognition. In fact in some ways it points to freewill. The dream telepathy experiments also show that all dreams are not precognition. The dream problem is multi faceted. I personally favor the Buddhist theory that the dream world is a bardo realm.
We are Consciousness in a Consciousness Singularity with axiomatic Perception In Consciousness, partitioned bits of Primary Consciousness of, by, and within Primary Consciousness. The material world is Perception In Consciousness.
Simple, monistic. Planck was right: Consciousness is fundamental, and matter derives from Consciousness (as Perception In Consciousness).
This is very interesting in that it could be an explanation of why or how it took me 30 years to find the needed key that allowed me to work out the resolution of the original dream. Was the original dream a precognitive expression of my future experience?
Great thought provoking video! Thanks!
My dreams come from other minds interacting with me. These other minds already know the future.
Ive been experiencing this since a child, but more so since a near death experience.
My boyfriend doesn't believe me how i know things....
The ideas that are relevant to the reality I was born into came to me in real life, but reading the Greek texts made me aware of the fact that human minds receive information as C. G. Jung wrote, in myths, fairy tales and dreams as well as in texts written long ago. Below I qoute from a Greek drama, its not my favorite translation of the idea that a male can give birth, (immaculate conception) as the creation of Athena from the 'head' of Zeus speaks,, but its in line with my experience of being 'born, fully grown from her father's head. My father gave birth to me almost literally. History is his story, that was not easy to write only 30 years ago. The past doesn't exist except as memory, and in individual 'understanding' and the few documents that have information in them. Some other method of transmission obviously exists. The kind of memory that E. Swedenborg wrote about, which he wrote can be accessed. 'Now' is the future and the past in a stream, isn't it? And Steiner experienced that stream as the Akashic records but my own past is what I've experienced. And its obvious the past is linked to the future, individually, to a degree that is amazingly difficult to convey to someone other than the personal experiencer. A real genius would not consider the seemingly trivial events that can be important, critical to notice and understand as information conveyed from the other, higher world(s?) "Swedenborg wrote that I can't remember the exact book and paragraph ... A rocket scientist would laugh at the meaning hidden in plain sight when the time is the right moment! My first thought at age 2+ was connected directly to many points in our future but teachers in school were apparently aware in some way of my future, mine specifically and I"m not claiming to be special in any way. The Athena in ancient reality was a fact about the real relationship in families, 'bonds' that few notice and try to understand as information whose time has come. "Bonds" are in the forefront of attention now.... I wish the speaker didn't use his hands so constantly, its distracting.
"APOLLO speaks:
I’ll explain this too; you mark how rightly I speak.
To what we call her child, the natural mother
is no true parent, but a fosterer.
The parent is the one who plants it there, 660
the male who spurts his seed within her womb;
all she does, like a host who feeds a guest,
is grow his seedling in her-if god wills.
This is my case; and I can show a proof.
There can be fathers even without mothers:
that much is proved right here, by Athene,
whose father’s Zeus, and no one is her mother.
Is she a child a womb could have brought forth?
this is like the present....
Dreams are not wish fulfillment. Dreams track our unconscious feelings that are usually just under the surface. At least they are if people are in touch with their personal stresses. For example, I want to move from my current county. This morning I dreamt of being in someone's apartment, trying to understand where the owner was, since no one was present. Dreams can be complex; however, they are important to understand.
Some of them are based on wish fulfilment, not all. Desires are usually just benesth the surface also, and not all of them we want to admit to.
Wow wow accords with my own peculiar experiences.....from Niall some clarity
So, if I dreamt I felt deep sadness while seeing Princess Diana and 2 other people in wooden coffins, it was because I was going to feel deep sadness 19-months later when I heard about the car accident on the news? I was presponding to a future event. Interesting.
tamrakat who were the other two people? I’ve had precognitive dreams, too.
I was talking about this stuff in 2010
Pretty interesting...!
Omg i love this channel! So good👍
Something out of nothing, is not just a protestant work ethic criticism, it is a fundamental "energy cannot be created nor destroyed" or "all changes require work (expending energy) to come about". Thus, Deutsch's argument against who creates the first innovation in the "reading your own invention from the future" is a valid from the physics point of view, UNLESS everything that ever was, ever is AND ever will be - has always been, and does not need to be created. Then again, if such is true, why work on anything?
Bingo!!! It may be preordained for you to write Star Trek episodes..... don't fight destiny, unless you were preordained to do so.
why work on anything? haha!!! ha!!
I wanted to get into this interview/discussion but Wargo just does not make a compelling argument for his theory. He's all over the place. Was hoping for examples that might support his retrocognition beliefs. Big gap between precognition and retrocognition and I did not get any sense of a bridge between the two. If we are in a deterministic reality any breadcrumbs to help us understand would be welcome. Tough interview for Jeffrey.
I wonder if Gematria and these time loops have something in common?
Garnier Malet thinks we have doubles who can travel forward on a sort of entanglement basis.
Interesting!
I am looking into the doubling theory which is new to me. Can you recommend reading viewing material about it or would you be willing to engage in a conversation about it? Thank you for this wonderful new direction of exploration!!
I really cannot because it is tangental to much of physics and to quantim theory in particular. There is a book in English by Malet and his wife that I found helpful if a bit frustrating. It's on Kindle for $25 which is steep for me. I cannot have conversation other than via email at steverose@gmail.com I think the idea is correct even if the particular idea is ill expressed. The future as well as the past are knowable and the future can be altered by our knowing and affirming.
@@StephenCRose thank you for the response. I will email this morning and being the first contact it may go to your spam/junk folder. That is more than the usual Kindle book.
Eric didn't very well, simply describe what a time-loop is on the offset. Also those earplugs he's wearing are annoying me lol sorry don't usually post a negative comment, but when you hit the ground running from the first question it can be overwhelming lol
So many of the examples given as being "coming from the future", could be just a deep reading of the present time, factoring in many hidden influences that can't be detected by the human being limited by it's 6 senses.
Volcano eruptions, disaster predictions, Freud's mouth cancer etc.... so many of the conditions that result in the outcomes, are already in place at the time of the dream.
So why do we need this deterministic theory to explain dream prophecies? There are better ones that don't include the tormented need for time travel.Psychologically it is dis-empowering.
Many of my "newage" friends have internalized this notion as if it is already a proven fact. I've toyed with it myself and found it to be the opposite of useful for my personal spiritual path.
I realize that our understanding of "reality" is meager to say the least, but personally I gravitate towards simplicity. My actual experience lies in the here and now...right..."Be Here Now". Because that is where I actually am... everything in the "past" or "future" is an abstraction, conjured by the conceptual mind in the "here and now". Of course.... my experience of the here and now is limited, but it is always here and now and always trumps the stuff parading through my conceptual mind.
If the "here and now" isn't what is MOST real, than all that meditation I've done over all those years have been a waste of time. I can't accept that.
I like this: "So many of the examples given as being "coming from the future", could be just a deep reading of the present time, factoring in many hidden influences that can't be detected by the human being limited by it's 6 senses"
There is a seventh sense, that may develop the ability to read deeply the 'now'.
The first experience I had with the older Thinking Allowed videos introduced me to ECCO, a word that is pronounced as 'echo', although John Lilly introduced the meaning that was so new to me at that point in 'time'. It was 4 decades ago.
I'm an old lady now and my time is almost at its end, a word that also means 'goal'. Both definitions must be used. I was reading a book, its Joseph Chilton Pearces' Bond of Power which I just found as a pdf that anyone can read and learn a lot about the mind and time :
http//selfdefinition.org/psychology/Joseph-Chilton-Pearce-Spiritual-Initiation-Breakthrough.pdf
Korzybski wrote that the human is a 'time binder', a kind of memory bank before the advent of technology we have now. Einsteins' equation seems to me to say we are both sides, matter and energy although it says something a bit funny. A few decades ago I noticed the letters and symbols form a statement that answered his statement that 'God does not take risks" but lots of data from my life are linked to that bit. I know God did take a Risk. at least one. I am an idea, information, that's been proved to me in a way I can't doubt. Jeffery Mishloves' work has been a life saver to me in the beginning which was a single event that extends from my first memory aimed at 1984 and afterwards, now. I needed information and he supplied it on video tape and in his big book about consciousness.
I can't think of time except as a measure of some movement and naming a point in time, a location, a particular slot of some duration. Space probably existed before man was told he needed to conceive the idea of 'time' and counting.
Dude! He's talking about Bill and Ted!!
Iron Maiden!!!
Isn't the very notion of time, a helpful yet fairly transparent illusion, which we use to order our lives? This fellow is tangled up in time loops, when all we have is the pristine present. A clue to the reconciliation between the Einsteinian relativistic model of the universe and the quantum, is the Buddhist notion that there are two ways of interpreting reality, these being the everyday and the absolute.
Time and space only exist in an everyday sense.
Very interesting , and great references , I like Buddhism and eastern philosophy , and it proves something , there is an empirical structured formal way of investigating nature of things mainly through science but the thing that makes me think a lot is , scientific method did not just appear out of nothing , people used the same methods in different ways , through meditation and observation of the natural order in different frameworks , started building models simulating the thing and trying to make better models as they go , I think of it as a theatrical scene where you have four people one tastes a cup of tea and says " it"s hot" , the second tastes it and says " it"s too sweet " , the third is looking at them saying " it is a cup of tea" and the fourth the confused fool character says " ok guys enough of this , what is it ? ! " no one is wrong and no one is right , it is a hot , too sweet cup of tea , and getting the whole big picture doesn't bring any special satisfaction in contrast with a narrow impression about just some aspects of it .
We gonna forget Carl Jung's actual writings on dream interpretation and synchronicity? After saying that dream interpretation has basically been debunked. 🤔
Also, look into CCRUs concept of 'Hyperstition' which already exists, as well as the 'deep anthropic principle' which is what you're describing later in the video.
its a currios phenomenon indeed. actually, its quite surprising we can forsee or expect any future events at all, with all the uncountable quantum interactions existing everywhere. is seems our minds can sometimes hold representations detailed and accurate enough to take into account more than might seem posdible, and of course there is the fact that if one didnt make such projections, then there would be now way for the events to happen, so how can you call that a prediction. fascinating. yes. time loops. a locust of attention without containing a past or future. how could one ever detect such a thing? very currious. :)
@12:45 If they are scientist rather than cultists, they will accept possibility of something unless it is ruled out. :)
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I had a wet dream once that came true.
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Ore maybe time does not exist
Donald Hoffman recently stated that it has now been proven that time does NOT exist. I'm not sure how this will change concepts previously accepted.
Quantum physics is full of weirdness.
Anyone reading this,likely,sees that time is an illusion. Past, PRESENT And future existing at the same "time",Beyond cognition .Fun to talk about. Don't think the creator understands itself
Subtract “time”.
Personal pre-recognition according to absolute laws of consciousness? LOL
And the Devil said, "Dinner Time... I'll light the Candle..." And Then There Was Light...
Jeff... "just to define what you mean by time loop..." @01:32...
Eric... "it is a self-fulfilling prophecy..."
and he will spend the rest of his life looking for it... what a waste!!!
Thx...
how can a man write a book about "time loops" while knowing "absolutely" nothing about time... he has no "concept" of it at all... by his own words. I'm confused!!! maybe disinformation... stirring the mud with the stick of ignorance...
06:01..."I don't pretend to be a cosmologists nor a physicist..."
Sci-Fi to reality in 90 days...? maybe hes being on that "big wheel" too long... maybe one of the controllers of that "big wheel"... he says, his goal was to get people onto his "big wheel" with his book...
@11:10... "I'm really trying to change people's minds here..."
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Nicely put...:) The future is not a place that exists, that is why it is called "the future"... so there is no there there... it is here.
huge speculation.. and to go back to Freud!! a single case method ??!! that is not scientific method.
@@hansfrankfurter2903 usually is not considered scientific...
No its not. Other people have seen my future correctly
Of cours, you´re right.
Eric Wargo suffers from a race of thoughts, not talking about a narrative, quickly jumps from topic to topic and, as a result, says nothing specific. I watched 46 minutes in the third attempt. I have suffered and I will not try again.
I became interested in the book and the topic on which I have a lot to say myself, because I am a clairvoyant, and I can also manifest solutions and matters through meditation and hypnosis, but Eric knows how to say nothing, so I don't expect anything from his book.
Dear Eric, as a Phd, you should realize that if an outstanding professor is unable to convey the content of the lecture, his students are not taught anything. You have the right to speak for yourself and write for your own pleasure. However, if you want someone to take part in it, practice what you have to say, go to a course of speech and rhetoric, pay for an acting coach who will help you overcome your nervousness.In 45 minutes you did not even partly refer to the material of the book, the main assumptions and your own intellectual contribution to explanatory theories.
Your basic lack is the lack of skills in building logical, understandable statements. Yours faithfully.
you know whats crazy, it's actually hard to read what you wrote. literally everything you're describing about him is exactly you and you seem to have no idea!
I just finished reading Wargo’s “Dreamwork and the Long Self”. Good book…until…the last few pages. And then he spewed forth every Democratic talking point - BLM, anti-police, climate change. It made absolutely no sense to include such political claptrap in a book about precognition. Tainted everything before it. I’ll have to pass on “Time Loops”.
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