Dok nailed it; 40 seconds in when he said Bendis lost it around 2012 A vs X. I was really fan of Bendis' work in the early to mid 2000s, loved his Daredevil and Alias, New Avengers was solid, and Ultimate Spider-man was honestly one of my favorite books for a while. Then around that time things just fell apart... never was a fan of Jason Aaron, tried to get into his stuff but every series he took on I never liked.
As a big fan of his first avengers run, I absolutly agree. The 2000s stuff is fantastic and I persoanlly think is one of the best avengers runs to date, but then the 2010s started and everything started to shake. His writting got weaker, and while he was able to write some enjoyable stories, it was clear is just wasn´t the same. Then, AvX happened and the only possible explanation of how bad that turned was that everyone got a massive seizure (lets not forget that Bendis wasn´t the only writter on that, Aaron or Hickman for example were also writting it). Since then, with some exception here and there, Bendis has been a disaster in almost everything he tried. On the other hand, Aaron just wrote one fantastic book:Thor: God of Thunder. Since then, I don´t remenber something good from him.
Your statements give me some hope though because I have been considering getting the morales Spider-Man omnibus’ (I am a DC reader) but massively put off from the purchase by Bendis writing it.
@@Lanterns_light ultimate spider man by bendis especially the first 80 or so issues of the the Peter Parker series and then the last 10 or so of that sake Peter Parker series is some of the best spider man and comic book material ever written period I'm serious it's phenomenal with great art by Bagley too. Miles stuff is difficult because it starts of fantastic but then goes to shit halfway through I would recommend getting the Peter Parker ultimate stuff instead of the miles stuff that's good all the way through although the art is bad for about 10 of the 160 issue
One of these days Wes will push Dok too far will these horrible comics that Marvel & DC only craps out nowadays & he'll freak out reciting the line from the movie "Network", “I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!”
Bendis. No contest. Aaron makes me roll my eyes and I largely stay away from his books. But, Bendis...let's just say I don't wanna get banned from another site again.
I'll keep saying it, the only thing he was good at was probably Jinx, probably Powers, definitely Ultimate Spider-Man if you gave it a massive script polish for the most part, and a little bit of his Daredevil
I despise Aaron’s run on Avengers,but dump on the story for what actually happened. The confirmation of Thor’s parentage,the fact that his Avengers seems to be in a separate universe from the events of the Thor or Black Panther books,the contrived Avengers of 1,000,000 B.C. There’s a LOT here to dislike without help.
Batman: "Naomi" Naomi: "I'm sorry" Batman: "For what?" Naomi: "uh..." Naomi: " Whatever you're going to say I did" Batman: "I was going to say that this Lord of Chaos/Checkmate/Space Monster Week was quite an ordeal. That was a lot for your first week. Even for us." Naomi: "Well, yeah." Batman: "So that said, you did an outstanding job. In my eyes you've earned your place here. If its still something you're concerned about." Hawkwoman: "He hasn't said two words to me in three months and you get a compliment?" Black Canary: "a bat-liment*" ...masterclass dialogue. If that doesn't sum up every single page in this Bendis JL run idk what does
They're both terrible, but Aaron at least he decides to use his brain sometimes and comes up with some good stuff. Bendis will never have my forgiveness for destroying Clark, Lois and especially Jon. The Avengers is so random and nonsensical but at least it's more action packed.
Bendis' Dark Avengers run was entirely based off Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts, that was published mere months before. Same artist (Deodato). And it was much, much better, too.
Did y’all READ this Avengers? The panel you show is Thor saying he’ll NEVER,side with Echo/Phoenix.Even after he “accepts”(?) the power of Phoenix,he’s still telling the current one they aren’t friends.
As I learn from this channel, *"you must have and follow rules".* Naomi basically is so overpowered there is no rules for her. I'm Glad the Bendis' Justice League is over. The positive effect is Black Adam is now in hands of a better writer, All of Ram V's Justice League Dark comics that was forced to be with Bendis' are gonna be their own separate trade. The negative effect Bendis' Legion of Superheroes cartoon on HBO max is still happening... Robbie Reyes and Death Lock is still on Avengers Forever? What they're doing? They made the Multiverse Avengers a big deal, yet there no hype for it.
By the time i started getting interested in comics all i heard about Bendis was his cliches. And that people were dreading his arrival at DC. I have read the Ultimate Marvel series recently. And Ultimate Spider-Man was actually pretty fun for a while, i just hated how it took 4 issues to tell his origin (1 issue was enought). Even his first story with Miles was surprisingly good, despite how bland he would become later. But as i time goes on Bendis kind of becomes a parody of himself from what i have read from him after 2017. Also i can see why people would dislike how he likes changing characters with not much regards of what came before or how he could ruin them for others in the future.
I was never a huge Bendis fan but his earlier stories were tolerable. I didn’t like Aaron in anything I read. So all things being equal Aaron is slightly worse in my book. But they both are bad.
5:36 Naomi has some serious lazy-eye going on in the center panel there. This whole comic reeks of rush-job, but that doesn't excuse the awful Mary-Sue qualities of Bendis' fanfiction-OC-tier new characters. "She's the strongest and the fastest and the smartest and the prettiest and everyone likes her and she always wins!" Has he regressed to being a tweenage girl? That's kind of disturbing.
Remember the time when Bendis was super awesome writing on Daredevil, Alias and Ultimate Spider-Man 🕷? I do. Remember the last time he wrote a good comic book story. Me neither.
His New Avengers was the beginning of the end. I have to call BS on people who thought his Avengers was good. Even on its own merits, it wasn't good, but it definitely was out of character, in terms of both powers/abilities AND personality/characterization
@Ryan Wilson the first example of excessive horrible Bendisisms to me is House of M 2005 but in general his weaknesses and worst tendencies didn't fully start to take over his writing until the early 2010s.
His pre-Avengers was pretty universally enjoyed. Those 4 titles as well as Sam & Twitch were quite good. Avengers is around the time he started becoming a little polarizing. AvX is when everyone got sick of his shit. Marvel NOW! is when the scales tipped & a majority started disliking his work and now he's almost universally loathed.
As bad as arron is bendies would do every bad thing arron does but worst. At least the aged up character was new and he made bendies ruined John Kent and killed superman sales. I honestly think arron is burned out and cause he's been going none stop we pick him a part but bendies you can tell doesn't really try anymore. How do I know that cause as bad as his league was if he was trying it wouldn't be great but it would be at least readable
@6:50 oh hell no. Marvel have problems enough as is. Aaron can still write some stuff. His Conan was decent. His Avengers have, overall, been one of the worst comics I've read coming from Marvel. That its gotten 50+ issues without being cancelled is insane. Bendis havent been readable since before Miles Morales, nay, like halfway through Peter's Ultimate Spiderman. Both Bendis and Aaron needs a vacation.
With Bendis, I thought his Daredevil was awesome. I enjoyed his New Avengers run (and the fact that he shook up what a good Avengers team could look like) a lot. And enjoyed the very early bits of his X-Men run... but the younger versions of the original X-Men overstayed their welcome (and with all the time travel equipment in the Marvel Universe, there was no really good reason not to send them back) and the writing got really lackluster. By the time his move to DC (who I don't buy from) was announced... I was thrilled. My feeling was that he'd burned out on Marvel characters. At the time, some fans were touting it as this huge coup for DC... but honestiy, I couldn't have been happier with his move away from Marvel. But with Aaron... the only thing I know for sure that he wrote that I liked... is the current King Conan series. I didn't like his run on Thor... and with his Avengers, it often feels like the Avengers are guest stars in their own book. Now Jane Foster is on the team... and apparently, she's getting a spotlight issue coming up in that series. I am so close to dumping Avengers at this point. Who is worse? I honestly don't know. Is it the guy I used to like a lot but who - as time went on - disappointed me more and more... or the guy who I hardly ever liked his work? I know which one I'm more disappointed in.
Jason wrote a fantastic Ghost Rider, Thor and Conan. His Wolverine was very wonky, remember Doctor Rot? Not sure why his Avengers has been so bad, even issue one was crap
Bendis had a golden age now he's just a madman. Jason Aaron's Thor run was solid and I enjoyed a ghost rider run. Everytime I read avengers I get more and more frustrated and for some odd reason i...keep reading. And I was never a fan of miles. The idea of a Robin for spiderman is fantastic but it's always gets handled poorly. Also I'm really tired of multiversal shit. I think it's really lazy when it comes to comics that and time travel
How did this guy create scalped I just started that book and it’s actually really good. So far. Lol. I Wonder is there a list of must haves in the comic At marvel or do these writers just have too much and lose what made them good to begin with. ?
I would say is Bendis. Aaron may not be perfect, but his Avengers had some good ideas and moments (the whole civil vampire war should be the plot in a MCU Blade movie or Midnights Son). Bendis justice league was just boring and forgettable (except for Batman helping Naomi deal with anxiety by thinking on Ducktales song... that was just funny).
there actually was an issue in a bizzaro comic during the whole dc you they were doing after the new 52 were he became the greaset magician because he could speak backwords
Nope, disagree Yeah, he's wobbly, yeah, he's too tryhard edgy in a lot of spots, but his Generation X and X-Men in the '90s was good, I actually unironically love Red Hood And The Outlaws, and even tho his Superman left a lot to be desired, He helped pull off Superman Doomed well enough, granted he had Charles Soule and Greg Pak supporting him and bearing the weight with him
My first Bendis written material was his Avengers Disassembled story. There was only one good thing about that whole series for me, and that was David Finch’s art. That story, and everything else I’ve read since, has been boring, dull and sleep inducing. If Bendis is writing a comic book I don’t buy it. I’ve heard he’s written some good stories in the past, but nothing I’m aware of or have ever read. I ... endured.... his work on Superman and crew. Glad he's gone. At least there is, for now, Action Comics. As for Jason Aaron, I have no opinion other than I tried to read his Avengers run ( from the first issue through about 10 or so ), but with each issue they got more and more… boring, dull and sleep inducing. He, for my money and time, just doesn’t seem to know The Avengers, as a team or as individual characters.
Yea I couldn’t read Bendis JL, it was horrendous, I continued to buy the comic for months just for the JLD backup story. But when I dropped all my comics I wasn’t sad to let it go like I was with other comics.
Bendis is worse. Jason is just as bad but his earlier stuff was pretty good. Bendis just keeps destroying every character he touches. Everyone keeps saying his early work was better but frankly after looking at his recent work, I now believe that the man is a one hit wonder. He keeps getting worse and worse yet people keep giving him work.
They should have left him do his thing in the Ultimate universe, but letting him do whatever in 616 was just dumb. Just Avengers Dissasembled left a negative impact on many characters that hasnt washed off.
Jason Aaron is pretty bad but Bendis is very worse.This dude is a cancer for industry in the past two decades,your awful excess of dialogues,the decompress style,the bad characterization and your disrespect with the former chronology,Bendis is worse in every sense.The most overrated writer ever I see.I never like anything this dude wrote in Marvel.
All this talk about one member of JL going to survive in death of the Death of Justice league I just realized.....its going to be fucking Naomi isn't it?
Comics should stay as a strong story telling medium. Not the writer's and editor's backyards for childish prank's and political dictate's. Most of the writers start's good, and along the way some of them loses perspective. If I were to read those s**t fest of comics! I would have needed a shower and head examination. And Naomi,(fake) I never read her comic, never will and I don't even wanna know. coz Bendis just made her to s**t on all the other Legends, and show how bestest evaa she is. And same with those Green Lantern wannabees! Now all of a sudden Nightwing has a bestest evaa sister. come on! The more I see deconstruction of comic medium, the more I wanna stay away from the big two (DC & Marvel)! Thanks Wes & Dok!!🙏
Both guys ran out of steam years ago. Bendis Ultimate Spidey was a good book back in the day, and Aaron's early Wolverine and Thor were solid when he first started at Marvel. But both guys have been lazy hacks for a long time now, and sadly, there's no editors with balls at Marvel nor DC; so no one ever checks these guys and tells them that their story ideas are lame, or that they need to put effort into their work again.
Aaron was better. Wolverine, his Vertigo stuff was great. I never was a big fan of Bendis. Too wordy, plot that doesn't made sense, bad characterization.... His Ultimate Spiderman run was OK, I never knew why people compared it with Stan Lee/Kirby run in FF.....except for lenght. Power was meh for me. Probably my favorite was MK Daredevil. But just that.
amazing that bendis and aaron are still lead writers for the big 2, i wonder if it is a legacy thing ? there is simply no way that the editorial heads are looking at customer feedback... the sales are at an all time low (and dipping despite twitter echo chambers). i will say this though, at least bendis created a new character (even if she is a mary sue) instead of continuing his destruction of legacy characters, unlike aaron that is making some select legacy characters into mary sues and others into a disney knock off of gaston
Bendis was excellent in his own niche, namely Alias/Jessica Jones, which was about super-hero de-construction, kind of like tales behind the super curtains. But, like Phil Collins in the late 80s, he became too big and omnipresent, being used even in Marvel's most four-colour titles such as the Avengers, where Bendis' verbose decontruction amounted to cultural vandalism. I don't know about the other guy.
It’s sad because Bendis once upon a time was one of the best comic book writers bar none with ultimate Spider-Man and a whole lot of marvel miniseries. I used to be a huge fan of him, and then he drank the Kool-Aid.
Probably Bendis at this point. Haven't liked anything he's done since Powers (which turned into a pretty good TV series. If you're a fan of The Boys and Invincible, go back and watch it if you can find it bootlegged anywhere; I snagged both seasons a while back). But this week I bought the last copy of Jason Aaron's "problematic" King Conan #3 at Phantom Oakland (not sure if Dok ever shops there?) and it was entertaining. I don't think the Hyborian Age ever had an analogue of the Aztecs yet, so that was a smart idea, opening up a new world of macuahuitl-and-sorcery beyond the Western Ocean. And Aaron hasn't turned Conan into a soyboy...yet. So I'll pick Bendis as worse, since he's responsible for both Riri and Naomi, self-inserts for his two adopted daughters.
I think it's all a matter of playing to your strengths and recognizing your weaknesses, or just realizing what you are STILL good at. With Bendis he did put out both Pearl and Cover while at DC and I thought both of them were great. Naomi was praised when it first came out as well. So Bendis should maybe return to crime fiction and stuff like Powers (I would love to have more Powers). Jason Aaron...so I liked his quirky, comedic Wolverine & The X-men, but felt that his run on Ghost Rider was overrated. Based on strength of W&Xmen I thought that Avengers would be great...yeah I ended up dropping that book. It was incredibly boring. His run on Conan was not bad though. So maybe he should stick to solo books.
Laffing my a$$ off as I beg indies and manga to take my hard-earned money. Though still buying lake house and strange academy. Also will try to fight for the nightmare country #1 1:100 frison variant! Damn you Salazar! Be safe. Mabuhay!
Why is Flash wearing a Lab Coat over his costume? To tell us that he is doing science stuff? I stopped liking Bendis after he killed the White Tiger in one of the most racist way.
Tie both are bad, I think Bendis lost it when he *made Iceman gay* which is still ruining his character and should be retconned like One More Day. Seriously it's like he started a horrible trend. They make it like Iceman is pretending to be gay, to try to make people forget that he was straight. Also remember what Jason did to She-Hulk and I have heard that his X-Men and Avengers runs are terrible. Edit: both writers have done and continue to do things that are bad, there's way too many that I feel like naming or some that I forgot and or don't know about to name.
Bendis hasn't been good since DD. His Avengers run, albeit most of the time is talking heads, is a masterpiece compared to Generic Aaron's run. However, Bendis' xmen was pure garbage
4:06 It is understood that Dot, Dough? are unable to speak like a semi-educated adult, with all the fuck, fuck, fuck, but at least talk about what happens in the comic. Naomi was not alone against Xanadoth, it was Black Adam who went completely full on dragon ball against the bitch. Naomi was nothing more than a catalyst for the spell that Nobu, Xanadu, Zatanna and Dr. Fate were doing. Criticize the comic with what really happens, please...there are ways to criticize the thing (what u said about the art is real) without having to erase the role that most of the JL Dark had in the final segment of the fight.
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Dok nailed it; 40 seconds in when he said Bendis lost it around 2012 A vs X. I was really fan of Bendis' work in the early to mid 2000s, loved his Daredevil and Alias, New Avengers was solid, and Ultimate Spider-man was honestly one of my favorite books for a while. Then around that time things just fell apart... never was a fan of Jason Aaron, tried to get into his stuff but every series he took on I never liked.
As a big fan of his first avengers run, I absolutly agree. The 2000s stuff is fantastic and I persoanlly think is one of the best avengers runs to date, but then the 2010s started and everything started to shake. His writting got weaker, and while he was able to write some enjoyable stories, it was clear is just wasn´t the same.
Then, AvX happened and the only possible explanation of how bad that turned was that everyone got a massive seizure (lets not forget that Bendis wasn´t the only writter on that, Aaron or Hickman for example were also writting it). Since then, with some exception here and there, Bendis has been a disaster in almost everything he tried.
On the other hand, Aaron just wrote one fantastic book:Thor: God of Thunder. Since then, I don´t remenber something good from him.
I was gonna come say the exact same thing off the get go n saw your comment well done
Your statements give me some hope though because I have been considering getting the morales Spider-Man omnibus’ (I am a DC reader) but massively put off from the purchase by Bendis writing it.
@@Lanterns_light ultimate spider man by bendis especially the first 80 or so issues of the the Peter Parker series and then the last 10 or so of that sake Peter Parker series is some of the best spider man and comic book material ever written period I'm serious it's phenomenal with great art by Bagley too. Miles stuff is difficult because it starts of fantastic but then goes to shit halfway through I would recommend getting the Peter Parker ultimate stuff instead of the miles stuff that's good all the way through although the art is bad for about 10 of the 160 issue
It wasn't turing Iceman gay, when he lost it?
Bendis is beyond redemption, no really. His crimes are pretty bad.
One of these days Wes will push Dok too far will these horrible comics that Marvel & DC only craps out nowadays & he'll freak out reciting the line from the movie "Network", “I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!”
Yeah I’ve gotta say Bendis. No amount of mediocrity from Aaron will ever be able outmatch the stain that was Civil War 2 from Bendis.
This, CW2 is what broke Marvel's back unfortunately...
That story truly was terrible.
That story truly was terrible.
That story truly was terrible.
That whole Alonse era, especially CW2, gosh that was so bad. I don't even know where to begin.
Just wait for the Justice League prom, fashion and baking/cooking show.
Bendis. No contest.
Aaron makes me roll my eyes and I largely stay away from his books. But, Bendis...let's just say I don't wanna get banned from another site again.
I'll keep saying it, the only thing he was good at was probably Jinx, probably Powers, definitely Ultimate Spider-Man if you gave it a massive script polish for the most part, and a little bit of his Daredevil
The fact that Bendis kicked off the fall of Jon Kent and his DC run outside of Naomi has been abismal puts him above aaron.
And before all that making Ice Man gay in marvel with horrible writing was truly unforgivable.
@@blackthunder4406 i forgot that was his idea. Hell civil war II was also his i think or at least he help
I despise Aaron’s run on Avengers,but dump on the story for what actually happened. The confirmation of Thor’s parentage,the fact that his Avengers seems to be in a separate universe from the events of the Thor or Black Panther books,the contrived Avengers of 1,000,000 B.C. There’s a LOT here to dislike without help.
Agreed, it needs to end asap!
Batman: "Naomi"
Naomi: "I'm sorry"
Batman: "For what?"
Naomi: "uh..."
Naomi: " Whatever you're going to say I did"
Batman: "I was going to say that this Lord of Chaos/Checkmate/Space Monster Week was quite an ordeal. That was a lot for your first week. Even for us."
Naomi: "Well, yeah."
Batman: "So that said, you did an outstanding job. In my eyes you've earned your place here. If its still something you're concerned about."
Hawkwoman: "He hasn't said two words to me in three months and you get a compliment?"
Black Canary: "a bat-liment*"
...masterclass dialogue. If that doesn't sum up every single page in this Bendis JL run idk what does
I forgot how good that Blue and Grey Batman costume looks
They're both terrible, but Aaron at least he decides to use his brain sometimes and comes up with some good stuff. Bendis will never have my forgiveness for destroying Clark, Lois and especially Jon.
The Avengers is so random and nonsensical but at least it's more action packed.
Bendis' Dark Avengers run was entirely based off Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts, that was published mere months before. Same artist (Deodato). And it was much, much better, too.
Did y’all READ this Avengers? The panel you show is Thor saying he’ll NEVER,side with Echo/Phoenix.Even after he “accepts”(?) the power of Phoenix,he’s still telling the current one they aren’t friends.
As I learn from this channel, *"you must have and follow rules".* Naomi basically is so overpowered there is no rules for her. I'm Glad the Bendis' Justice League is over. The positive effect is Black Adam is now in hands of a better writer, All of Ram V's Justice League Dark comics that was forced to be with Bendis' are gonna be their own separate trade. The negative effect Bendis' Legion of Superheroes cartoon on HBO max is still happening...
Robbie Reyes and Death Lock is still on Avengers Forever? What they're doing? They made the Multiverse Avengers a big deal, yet there no hype for it.
Yes, A VS X was a terrible book. Still on my top 5 worst marvel events in the past decade.
I am at least glad bendis terrible justice league is finally over.
By the time i started getting interested in comics all i heard about Bendis was his cliches. And that people were dreading his arrival at DC.
I have read the Ultimate Marvel series recently. And Ultimate Spider-Man was actually pretty fun for a while, i just hated how it took 4 issues to tell his origin (1 issue was enought). Even his first story with Miles was surprisingly good, despite how bland he would become later.
But as i time goes on Bendis kind of becomes a parody of himself from what i have read from him after 2017.
Also i can see why people would dislike how he likes changing characters with not much regards of what came before or how he could ruin them for others in the future.
BMB can take the marvel now/fan fiction crew with him.
Bendis killed Iceman!
They must have found a great deal with red, black and blue markers at the dollar overstock store.
I was never a huge Bendis fan but his earlier stories were tolerable. I didn’t like Aaron in anything I read. So all things being equal Aaron is slightly worse in my book. But they both are bad.
Bendis is the worst of all time
5:36 Naomi has some serious lazy-eye going on in the center panel there. This whole comic reeks of rush-job, but that doesn't excuse the awful Mary-Sue qualities of Bendis' fanfiction-OC-tier new characters. "She's the strongest and the fastest and the smartest and the prettiest and everyone likes her and she always wins!" Has he regressed to being a tweenage girl? That's kind of disturbing.
I had read JL for decades but just couldn’t buy this issue when I flipped through it and saw Batman telling Naomi how great she is. I had to tap out.
Bendis needs to reread his ultimate spiderman book and how he writes teen heroes.
Bendis... I can't believe this is a question when the answer is obvious...
Its like asking who would win, El Santo or Blue Demon!
Aaron can still write a readable solo series so he gets my vote.
Remember the time when Bendis was super awesome writing on Daredevil, Alias and Ultimate Spider-Man 🕷? I do. Remember the last time he wrote a good comic book story. Me neither.
His New Avengers was the beginning of the end. I have to call BS on people who thought his Avengers was good. Even on its own merits, it wasn't good, but it definitely was out of character, in terms of both powers/abilities AND personality/characterization
I heard Bendis used to be good in the 2000’s with Ultimate Spider-Man, Alias, Daredevil, and Powers
I find that period over rated but yes he wrote a lot of good comics from 2000-2010 or so.
@Ryan Wilson People love his Daredevil run, even the Rageaholic
@Ryan Wilson the first example of excessive horrible Bendisisms to me is House of M 2005 but in general his weaknesses and worst tendencies didn't fully start to take over his writing until the early 2010s.
His pre-Avengers was pretty universally enjoyed. Those 4 titles as well as Sam & Twitch were quite good. Avengers is around the time he started becoming a little polarizing. AvX is when everyone got sick of his shit. Marvel NOW! is when the scales tipped & a majority started disliking his work and now he's almost universally loathed.
And not the full 2000s since USM went off the rails after Bagley left
As bad as arron is bendies would do every bad thing arron does but worst. At least the aged up character was new and he made bendies ruined John Kent and killed superman sales. I honestly think arron is burned out and cause he's been going none stop we pick him a part but bendies you can tell doesn't really try anymore. How do I know that cause as bad as his league was if he was trying it wouldn't be great but it would be at least readable
@6:50 oh hell no. Marvel have problems enough as is.
Aaron can still write some stuff. His Conan was decent. His Avengers have, overall, been one of the worst comics I've read coming from Marvel. That its gotten 50+ issues without being cancelled is insane.
Bendis havent been readable since before Miles Morales, nay, like halfway through Peter's Ultimate Spiderman.
Both Bendis and Aaron needs a vacation.
With Bendis, I thought his Daredevil was awesome. I enjoyed his New Avengers run (and the fact that he shook up what a good Avengers team could look like) a lot. And enjoyed the very early bits of his X-Men run... but the younger versions of the original X-Men overstayed their welcome (and with all the time travel equipment in the Marvel Universe, there was no really good reason not to send them back) and the writing got really lackluster. By the time his move to DC (who I don't buy from) was announced... I was thrilled. My feeling was that he'd burned out on Marvel characters. At the time, some fans were touting it as this huge coup for DC... but honestiy, I couldn't have been happier with his move away from Marvel.
But with Aaron... the only thing I know for sure that he wrote that I liked... is the current King Conan series. I didn't like his run on Thor... and with his Avengers, it often feels like the Avengers are guest stars in their own book. Now Jane Foster is on the team... and apparently, she's getting a spotlight issue coming up in that series. I am so close to dumping Avengers at this point.
Who is worse? I honestly don't know. Is it the guy I used to like a lot but who - as time went on - disappointed me more and more... or the guy who I hardly ever liked his work? I know which one I'm more disappointed in.
Jason wrote a fantastic Ghost Rider, Thor and Conan. His Wolverine was very wonky, remember Doctor Rot? Not sure why his Avengers has been so bad, even issue one was crap
I am just happy Bendis time on JL has ended and yep Aarons Avengers feels like a hickman Avengers fanfic.
Bendis had a golden age now he's just a madman. Jason Aaron's Thor run was solid and I enjoyed a ghost rider run. Everytime I read avengers I get more and more frustrated and for some odd reason i...keep reading. And I was never a fan of miles. The idea of a Robin for spiderman is fantastic but it's always gets handled poorly. Also I'm really tired of multiversal shit. I think it's really lazy when it comes to comics that and time travel
How did this guy create scalped I just started that book and it’s actually really good. So far. Lol. I Wonder is there a list of must haves in the comic At marvel or do these writers just have too much and lose what made them good to begin with. ?
Aaron was on Crack trying to make The Phoenix become the mother of Thor (Please correct this Donny Cates)
Heh, Bendis is in a league of his own. I consider his comics 100% unreadable.
I would say is Bendis. Aaron may not be perfect, but his Avengers had some good ideas and moments (the whole civil vampire war should be the plot in a MCU Blade movie or Midnights Son). Bendis justice league was just boring and forgettable (except for Batman helping Naomi deal with anxiety by thinking on Ducktales song... that was just funny).
there actually was an issue in a bizzaro comic during the whole dc you they were doing after the new 52 were he became the greaset magician because he could speak backwords
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I want these dc comics forgotten. Would rather see Dok review new Indy runs. Do what you want tho
Neither one holds a candle to Scott Lobdell
Nope, disagree
Yeah, he's wobbly, yeah, he's too tryhard edgy in a lot of spots, but his Generation X and X-Men in the '90s was good, I actually unironically love Red Hood And The Outlaws, and even tho his Superman left a lot to be desired, He helped pull off Superman Doomed well enough, granted he had Charles Soule and Greg Pak supporting him and bearing the weight with him
@@TMF979Resurge HIs X-Men was horribly bad, and most people that do love his run forget that Fabian carried him for 4 years
@@michaelmorgan7954 Well I still like the Rebirth half of Red Hood and The Outlaws
@@TMF979Resurge I will say that's the best thing i've read of his, but every other writer on the title was better
My first Bendis written material was his Avengers Disassembled story. There was only one good thing about that whole series for me, and that was David Finch’s art. That story, and everything else I’ve read since, has been boring, dull and sleep inducing. If Bendis is writing a comic book I don’t buy it. I’ve heard he’s written some good stories in the past, but nothing I’m aware of or have ever read.
I ... endured.... his work on Superman and crew. Glad he's gone. At least there is, for now, Action Comics.
As for Jason Aaron, I have no opinion other than I tried to read his Avengers run ( from the first issue through about 10 or so ), but with each issue they got more and more… boring, dull and sleep inducing. He, for my money and time, just doesn’t seem to know The Avengers, as a team or as individual characters.
Yea I couldn’t read Bendis JL, it was horrendous, I continued to buy the comic for months just for the JLD backup story. But when I dropped all my comics I wasn’t sad to let it go like I was with other comics.
Bendis.
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Bendis is worse. Jason is just as bad but his earlier stuff was pretty good. Bendis just keeps destroying every character he touches. Everyone keeps saying his early work was better but frankly after looking at his recent work, I now believe that the man is a one hit wonder. He keeps getting worse and worse yet people keep giving him work.
They should have left him do his thing in the Ultimate universe, but letting him do whatever in 616 was just dumb.
Just Avengers Dissasembled left a negative impact on many characters that hasnt washed off.
Jason Aaron is pretty bad but Bendis is very worse.This dude is a cancer for industry in the past two decades,your awful excess of dialogues,the decompress style,the bad characterization and your disrespect with the former chronology,Bendis is worse in every sense.The most overrated writer ever I see.I never like anything this dude wrote in Marvel.
Naomi Season 2 and Legion v. Justice League wrap the same month. The end may be near! 🙏
All this talk about one member of JL going to survive in death of the Death of Justice league I just realized.....its going to be fucking Naomi isn't it?
Bendis stopped being readable the moment he created Miles Morales
I will Never, Ever, Ever forgive or support Bendis after Superman.
Doc was spot on here, nuff said
Aaron's Thor God Butcher run was great but everything else is just awful
Comics should stay as a strong story telling medium. Not the writer's and editor's backyards for childish prank's and political dictate's. Most of the writers start's good, and along the way some of them loses perspective. If I were to read those s**t fest of comics! I would have needed a shower and head examination. And Naomi,(fake) I never read her comic, never will and I don't even wanna know. coz Bendis just made her to s**t on all the other Legends, and show how bestest evaa she is. And same with those Green Lantern wannabees! Now all of a sudden Nightwing has a bestest evaa sister. come on! The more I see deconstruction of comic medium, the more I wanna stay away from the big two (DC & Marvel)! Thanks Wes & Dok!!🙏
Try doing a video comparing Jason Aaron to Donny Cates
Both guys ran out of steam years ago. Bendis Ultimate Spidey was a good book back in the day, and Aaron's early Wolverine and Thor were solid when he first started at Marvel. But both guys have been lazy hacks for a long time now, and sadly, there's no editors with balls at Marvel nor DC; so no one ever checks these guys and tells them that their story ideas are lame, or that they need to put effort into their work again.
Is the black adam jl cover an homage to the jla avenger crossover or just a bland copy
Aaron was better. Wolverine, his Vertigo stuff was great. I never was a big fan of Bendis. Too wordy, plot that doesn't made sense, bad characterization....
His Ultimate Spiderman run was OK, I never knew why people compared it with Stan Lee/Kirby run in FF.....except for lenght. Power was meh for me. Probably my favorite was MK Daredevil. But just that.
Supongo que Geoff John no puede escribir todos los comics, aunque lo intenta 💥
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I think avengers 54 was ok I know it's not a great run but I still enjoy it
amazing that bendis and aaron are still lead writers for the big 2, i wonder if it is a legacy thing ? there is simply no way that the editorial heads are looking at customer feedback... the sales are at an all time low (and dipping despite twitter echo chambers). i will say this though, at least bendis created a new character (even if she is a mary sue) instead of continuing his destruction of legacy characters, unlike aaron that is making some select legacy characters into mary sues and others into a disney knock off of gaston
Bendis was excellent in his own niche, namely Alias/Jessica Jones, which was about super-hero de-construction, kind of like tales behind the super curtains. But, like Phil Collins in the late 80s, he became too big and omnipresent, being used even in Marvel's most four-colour titles such as the Avengers, where Bendis' verbose decontruction amounted to cultural vandalism. I don't know about the other guy.
It’s sad because Bendis once upon a time was one of the best comic book writers bar none with ultimate Spider-Man and a whole lot of marvel miniseries. I used to be a huge fan of him, and then he drank the Kool-Aid.
"Who's Worse at Comics Bendis or Aaron?"
Yes.
Probably Bendis at this point. Haven't liked anything he's done since Powers (which turned into a pretty good TV series. If you're a fan of The Boys and Invincible, go back and watch it if you can find it bootlegged anywhere; I snagged both seasons a while back). But this week I bought the last copy of Jason Aaron's "problematic" King Conan #3 at Phantom Oakland (not sure if Dok ever shops there?) and it was entertaining. I don't think the Hyborian Age ever had an analogue of the Aztecs yet, so that was a smart idea, opening up a new world of macuahuitl-and-sorcery beyond the Western Ocean. And Aaron hasn't turned Conan into a soyboy...yet. So I'll pick Bendis as worse, since he's responsible for both Riri and Naomi, self-inserts for his two adopted daughters.
BOTH OF THEM.
Either series in top 50 ? Bendis was on book less than 2 years ?
I was exited when I heard he was coming to DC. Everything he’s done has been horrible. I honestly can’t believe DC is so bad right now.
Thank you for reading terrible comics so I won't have to.
It’s a tie.
#CarolDanversitis
The covers for marvel and dc look cool but the content sucks and breaks the characters
Thors literally fighting a god of hammers
I think it's all a matter of playing to your strengths and recognizing your weaknesses, or just realizing what you are STILL good at. With Bendis he did put out both Pearl and Cover while at DC and I thought both of them were great. Naomi was praised when it first came out as well. So Bendis should maybe return to crime fiction and stuff like Powers (I would love to have more Powers). Jason Aaron...so I liked his quirky, comedic Wolverine & The X-men, but felt that his run on Ghost Rider was overrated. Based on strength of W&Xmen I thought that Avengers would be great...yeah I ended up dropping that book. It was incredibly boring. His run on Conan was not bad though. So maybe he should stick to solo books.
Laffing my a$$ off as I beg indies and manga to take my hard-earned money. Though still buying lake house and strange academy. Also will try to fight for the nightmare country #1 1:100 frison variant! Damn you Salazar! Be safe. Mabuhay!
Why is Flash wearing a Lab Coat over his costume? To tell us that he is doing science stuff?
I stopped liking Bendis after he killed the White Tiger in one of the most racist way.
Bendis si è svuotato... O forse è sempre stato solo molte chiacchiere vuote 😊
Either way can agree both not good lol
I bought JL and immediately bagged it and threw in the long box. I have no interest in the story he’s trying to tell. Just completing the run
Bendis' writes characters to pander to the woke people in charge of Marvel and DC.
Bendis is worse
Both made me quite those titles
Both are terrible writers, but Bendis is by far the worst of the two.
I have Aaron's first story that he won in a contest. Never liked him. Bends is a joke but Aaron is absolute garbage.
Greatest Superhero Naomi? Debuted Less than 3 years ago and almost 95% people who don't know who she is 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Those comics suck period
Both are terrible I will stay with Aaron who decided to make Thor's book about another character.
Tie both are bad, I think Bendis lost it when he *made Iceman gay* which is still ruining his character and should be retconned like One More Day. Seriously it's like he started a horrible trend. They make it like Iceman is pretending to be gay, to try to make people forget that he was straight. Also remember what Jason did to She-Hulk and I have heard that his X-Men and Avengers runs are terrible.
Edit: both writers have done and continue to do things that are bad, there's way too many that I feel like naming or some that I forgot and or don't know about to name.
they want to do a huge event in a book nobody cares about written by someone they overpaid that nobody likes. lmao peak comic books
Bendis is terrible. I mean he created one of the worst characters in decades, Naomi. Shit character. So is Ri Ri.
Is Dok really Alex Jones? He sounds like Alex Jones. Anyway, these guys are hilarious. They come across as kind of dumb but they are entertaining.
Bendis hasn't been good since DD. His Avengers run, albeit most of the time is talking heads, is a masterpiece compared to Generic Aaron's run. However, Bendis' xmen was pure garbage
Bendis is far better than Aaron. Bendis was an amazing writer for a decade. Aaron's only written a couple of interesting things...
Not a fan of either of these writers. I pass on most everything they write.
Aaron is better.
4:06 It is understood that Dot, Dough? are unable to speak like a semi-educated adult, with all the fuck, fuck, fuck, but at least talk about what happens in the comic. Naomi was not alone against Xanadoth, it was Black Adam who went completely full on dragon ball against the bitch. Naomi was nothing more than a catalyst for the spell that Nobu, Xanadu, Zatanna and Dr. Fate were doing. Criticize the comic with what really happens, please...there are ways to criticize the thing (what u said about the art is real) without having to erase the role that most of the JL Dark had in the final segment of the fight.