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That’s who needs fired. Whoever scouted Watson and thought this guy still had something. When it became obvious every time he was on the field and couldn’t compete a pass. He’s a lot slower and his arm strength was overrated and he didn’t wanna learn Stefanski offense. Flacco showed up Watson so bad it was obvious last year Watson wasn’t anywhere near what he was in Houston. This guy is getting his karma now. And it’s becoming more obvious his off field behavior is probably true also. Nobody wants to deal with the scumbag he’s become
The Browns have been the worst run organization in all of sports for 25 years and it's not even close. I still think we'll see another Cavs title and even a Guardians title before the Browns make a Super Bowl, let alone win one.
Johnny Football...Watson... you name it...Haslem is a BAD OWNER! Brown's are going nowhere until we get an owner who knows his place... instead of one who thinks he knows football personnel.
The fans got suckered as well. So many people said “yay, Watson picked us!” He never wanted to come to CLE. He had to after they offered him that ridiculous contract and he robbed their asses.
Well you cant fire the owner, he is the only one that wanted Watson, and he did that based on some vicious unsubstantiated lies by a cleveland reporter named Mary kay cabot
This is true, but that's because Jimmy Haslam decided to willingly bend this organization over a barrel by not sticking with his QB. They said that "They needed an Adult in the room" when Mayfield was there. Well, what do you expect when you draft a rookie. The purpose is for him to develop and grow within your organization. The Browns front office decides to pay Watson a quarter billion dollars, to be an "adult" but is incapable of learning the offense in 2 years. You never heard this sort of nonsense with Baker Mayfield, even when having 4 HC's and 4 OC's in 4 years. I have never in my life seen a trade so bad, that 3 years after the trade occurred new information comes out reinforcing how desperately bad this trade was by the Browns.
@@gregholmes-brown5628were the browns really fucked, 2020 szn we were golden under a young injured baker who brought us all the way to the second round of the playoffs, our future was bright under baker
Moral of the story is don't be swayed and amazed by diva stars. Odell and Watson were 2 players that have destroyed the chances of this very talented team the past 5 years having a chance to win. They had a window and getting these two playes pushed coaches and Baker out. I hope management has learned from this mistake.
Wow. What an era of browns football that was. Insane roller coaster for us. Deshaun was one of my favorite players in college and in Houston. I was excited out of my mind when we got him. Those first 6 games he looked like garbage but everyone convinced themselves it was okay. The same thing kept happening and then Flacco and Winston opened our eyes. Through all that the Browns are still in a position to compete now after the draft and free agency. LETS GO BROWNS thanks for the video Petey
Jason Lloyd is really good. He’s not some hack. He was no doubt told everything that he reports in this piece. If you have evidence-not feelings-to the contrary, please, share it.
What you're failing to realized is that Stefanskis traditional offense comes from the Mike Shannahan/Gary Kubiak tree. Gary Kubiak was Flacco OC in Baltimore. So he knows the offense. And that offense fits hia skill set perfectly. Thats WHY he was able to pick it up quickly.
The part with Flacco just puts into more detail why he was let go, even though at the time it wasn’t a surprise that someone who wasn’t in camp training, coming off the couch in December was better than Watson was in the matter of games showed how bad Watson really was, so Flacco was let go. The report shows how bad mentally Watson is on learning that he was under the system for two years struggling, yet Flacco comes in and learns it under 30 days. I hope that the Browns don’t take Sanders since he’s a younger version of Watson, someone who has to be in the exact system that was built for him and will fail if it isn’t.
you guys hear or read a little something and jump on the wagon without any critical thinking. The guy is young and was once very successful. Was he a slow learner then? How many times have players come here with promise only to leave unceremoniously?
When Cooper when asked about Flacco. Remember what he said. He Throws A PRETTY BALL. I said to myself. WOW! Cooper never liked Watson. Now you see the Trade for Cooper to Buffalo. WOW!
@@Browns4life Stumbling in the playoffs & getting you butt whopped doesn't count. But I'm keep watching the steelers get their butts handed to them every time they do the same thing.
Andrew Berry wrecked this team...You bring in Watson and then refuse to bring in his number 1 WR in Hopkins..then you try and fail to trade Amari Cooper which means the team lost Cooper even before he was traded. Andrew Berry wrecked this team but simple minded fans can't look past what's right in front of their noses.
@@Titus.The_Crucifierbaker’s 2 years with Stefanski he had a 2.01 TD to INT ratio to put that into perspective Peyton Manning’s career TD/INT ratio is 2.16. So even with the injured year in which he really only had 1 truly bad game which was the Green Bay game, where he had I think 3 or 4 picks, Stefanski had Baker playing good football in his system, but hey like you said stats don’t lie, it’s just a matter if you actually look at them or choose to live a revisionist history lifestyle. I don’t see how Baker played under Hue Jackson or Freddie Kitchens is Stefanski’s fault but hey, go off.
@ logical thinking might not be your strong suit. oh yeah how we forget that he broke the rookie TD record in 14 games under Hue Jackson/Gregg Williams. Under Todd Bowels who managed a 8-9 record with Tom Brady he’s made two trips to the playoffs, a pro bowl and was second in TD’s and passing yards this season. Yeah he’s a really bad QB, it’s obviously all coaching when it comes to Baker, thank you for the very informed backed by evidence statement.
Brought in a QB that didn’t fit Stefanski offense, simply put. It’s not Flacco being better, Flacco better pocket passer from under center and Watson was better at shot gun.
This trade was a microcosm of today’s society. On the left, people said Watson had massive character flaws and the Browns were making a huge mistake. On the right, people said we know he’s probably a POS, but we’re gonna ignore that because he was really good with Houston for a season or two. This is why character matters. The red flags were there, but half of the Browns fan base decided to turn the other cheek to try and win a SB. Unfortunately it exploded in their faces and now the Browns are doomed again.
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This guy, soft pedals 9:18 the reason Callahan left. According to the WKNR guys who got this info from an insider, Callahan absolutely left because he knew they were going to dismantle his wide zone, blocking scheme, and thus destroy the running game, which absolutely happened.
As much as this article exposes Watson as a fraud , it also highlights Stefanski’s limitations as a coach. I live in Baltimore , and watched Harbaugh totally revamp the offense from Flacco to Lamar Jackson as the QB. That’s the sign of an elite coach
You make it sound like Harbaugh did that overnight…it took three years to do. Just b/c Lamar won the MVP doesn’t mean it was an effectively revamped offense.
@@duzzitmatter8679 Flacco has always been strictly a pocket passer. When the Ravens drafted Lamar he wasn’t as nearly as good a passer as he is now, and the offense was adjusted to his skill set ( RPO) . Trust me I live here. I’ve been subjected to Ravens sports news more than I care to admit.
How many superbowls does Baltimore have since Lamar got there? I mean you have a 2x MVP and as you call him an elite coach so where's the super bowl? You SHOULD win this year not because any coaching but because the GM that built this offense. But Baltimore is no better they just win more games before doing nothing.
If you watch the Browns quarterbacks from this year, especially Winston, they were about 90% effective when they took the snap from Center and not being in shotgun. The play action was incredibly effective. It’s just too bad that Winston doesn’t understand that defensive backs are not on his team
It was pretty obvious that Cooper wanted off the team and the O line lost faith in Watson. A lot of the players have family's and they had to go to war for this guy?
Everything lol. He never once showed that he had turned a corner mentally or with his maturity. I think people hoped that he would perform on the field regardless and he ended up being the worst QB in the league.
The Browns basically wasted the best years of an elite defense by signing a QB that flat out should have never been allowed to play in the league to begin with. He hasn't come close to the QB of his Texans days.......GREAT job Browns front office......you managed to F it up again 😂😂😂
As a long time Browns fan (Bernie Kosar days) I can tell you the offensive line was terrible this year. It wouldn't have mattered who was under center. Cleveland needs a reset.
Ok so while you keep insisting deshaun was the entire problem. The other 3 qbs faired the same if worst than watson. Please explain that. The offense wasn't shaped around him then. So the receivers dropping a zillion passes was watson fault. The o line getting run through like they were prostitutes giving watson massages was his fault. Sorry bud. This team has way more problems. Starting with coaching. If the thing bringing in a rookie qb will help that. They just going to ruin another draft choice. Team needs legit weapons that any qb can count on.
Two things can be true at once. All of the other QBs failed because they’re awful. That doesn’t change the fact that the roster was held together by duct tape last year and finally gave out. I truly believe that Flacco wouldn’t have been able to win this year, because there’s just not enough healthy talent anymore. Our OGs are tired and crippled
Dorsey didn’t start calling plays until after Watson got hurt. If the whole purpose was to bring Dorsey to call the plays for DW4 , then why would the Browns wait until DW4 got hurst and out for the season to change the play callers . This made no sense and defeats the purpose of getting Dorsey.
Someone in the comments who understands ball😂thank god. I was always confused for the same reason. I always had a feelin Deshaun would end up working out, but could never understand why he didn’t
@@brettjohnson8152that’s because the coaching didn’t due there due diligence to make the offense work with dw4 strengths I wish they stop passing the buck
Watson has just been a Huge mistake. And not bringing back Flacco to keep Watson happy is just stupid. Whether is AB fault or Stefanski they never could get Watson on board with the offense. Flacco knows the system better in 30days than Watson does in 2-3 yrs. I think Watson just trying to get AB and Stefanski fired to get another coach to cater to Watson. Now you start to see the other players frustration with this guy. Everybody is getting frustrated with Watson lack of talent and accountability. They just don’t like Watson he wasn’t the guy in locker room that had a lot of friends. I don’t see a world that Watson finds another Qb starting job in the NFL. He’s not coming back from this. Somebody may offer him a vet min contract to be a backup at best
10 Dorsey was told that he would be calling the place from the start and what does it matter if Ken Dorsey has more experience with mobile quarterbacks if the only place that coach would approve are that from a 1980 2 tight end offense. Kevin stefansky is horrible this is why David njoko can't seem to do any good in this 1980s tight end offense if Kevin stefansky had any clue what he was doing he would be designing plays for a superior athletic tight end instead he stuck with the 82 offense because it's the only thing he knows zero innovation zero vision zero talent but he did go to the ivy League so that may be why he had two coach of the years without winning a playoff game meanwhile there's coaches with three super bowls that don't have a coach of the year explain that nitwitz
Naw, do not blame this fiasco solely on Watson. Watson's last year in Houston was 2020. He threw for 4,823 yds, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, with a QBR of 112.4. His first full season in Cleveland Watson's stats for his first full season here were 1115 YDs, 7 TDs, 4 INTs and a QBR of 84.3. Baker Mayfield's last season in Cleveland was 2021, he threw for 3010 YDs, 17 TDs, 13 INTs and a QBR of 84.3. Mayfield played through injuries and was handcuffed with Stefanski's antiquated offense. This past season, Baker led his team to the playoffs. He threw for 4500 yds, 41 TDs, 26 INTs, and a QBR of 106.8. He finally had a coach who designed his office around the talents of the players instead of trying to stick square legs into round holes. Stefanski needs to be gone if he continues to lay his heavy and unskilled hands on our offense. The new OC must have the complete authority to design the offense and to call plays. If that is unacceptable to Kevin, then hire a new HC.
These "assumptions" make it sound like Ownership wasn't the one dictating the Watson disaster. A lot of problems could be cast aside if Haslam openly admitted that he was forcing his leadership into Watson support. The fact that he hasn't fired Berry and Stefanski screams that it wasn't their fault, so why not own it so the media stops depicting them as making such an incompetent move!? Humility obviously is lacking, and speaks towards his poor leadership.
This is true, but after all that YALL gave him a guaranteed 200 million and Houston 3 1st rounders which imo they should have arrested Nick Caserio for Felony Theft. His talents were left on the floor before coming to Cleveland kinda like his massage towel. 🎤 ⬇️
It's actually kind of sad how out of all those picks the Texans only got one of them right. Will Anderson Jr. Texans needs a new GM and QB it looks like too.
The Texans have developed in to a decent team over the last couple of years but no more than that. The AFC South is a very weak division and outside of it the Texans have a losing record in 2024. The Chiefs are somewhat flattered by their 15-2 record but will likely be too good for the Texans on Saturday.
Cow-towing to Watson wasn't really good for Stefanski either! And I wonder if putting the QB on a pedestal like this has caused a rift between the HC and the rest of the team that maybe Stefanski can't recover from!!
If he re-injured his his foot by doing something he wasn’t supposed to and while not following doctors orders then there should be more than an insurance payment. Those contracts are pretty darn thorough.
This is all 20/20 hindsight. Something like 14 teams wanted Watson and everyone said it would be a game changer, mainly based on 2020and before performance. At the time it was dry risky though given lack of playing, injuries and especially off the field problems. So it didn’t work out, Watson is $230M richer and it’s time to put it in the rear view mirror.
The Browns have to be the most curious case in the NFL. This franchise is constantly making solid draft picks, splash moves in free agency and have a coach of the year candidate and still continually fall on their face every season. just proof that throwing money around doesn't solve all the problems.
Watson was never a good gb, someone please show a play where Watson read the defense and audibled!? There isn't one! The guy has an iq in double digits or he his lazy and not willing to do the mental work necessary to be successful! I strongly believe it is the former and he is just not smart enough to understand the complexities of the game at an nfl level
Baker gets us to the playoffs(we get rid of him), Joe Flacco takes us to the playoffs (we get rid of him) do you not see the Jerry jones syndrome going on in cleveland, we give a guy 250m that haven’t played football in 2 years and hasn’t won not even 1 meaningful game for the browns in 4 years and we can’t find a way to get him gone/traded, what kind of circus is being run in that building, there needs to be a lot more then coaches being fired
😮terrible of the coach, that as you said, the other players said Stefanski wouldn’t correct Watson mistakes but corrected all of theirs…..everyone could see Watson wasn’t liked by the players bc when both Flacco and WINston took over it was like a different team, they were exciting again winning, and having fun….because Flacco and WINston are good quarterbacks and real leaders!!!! We heard Watson was a problem in Texas as well refused to play for a coach and let his team down there too. Sad. Atlanta friends said, THANK goodness Watson did not come here.!
This is almost word for word the Baker situation with the only difference being Watson hasn’t demanded a trade yet like Baker did when the team got fed up with it.
At least we know why they did not keep Flacco. "Because they didn't want to hear fans in the stands chanting Flacco" while Watson was crashing and burning. So they bring in Winston (sounds like Watson, just in case any fool would chant that). Now the Browns will not have to worry about anybody chanting anything because there will be no one in the stands. Thanks Bonehead Berry!
It appears this past season management/haslam tried their best to force it to work with Watson in Cleveland. Unfortunately that only made the situation worse. For the players and the fans. After making such a big investment in Watson it understandable Jimmy was not going to give up without trying everything in his power to get the QB back to his previous elite level. Now it seems they realize Watson is truly a lost cause. Moving forward they will let Stefanski go back to running his system again. I think this will be good for the team moving forward. But they have to add a solid veteran QB and a talented young QB prospect in the draft or via Free Agency/trade. I think Pats QB J Milton very talented and intriguing. Maybe more so than Justin Fields. Not sure if his style a fit in Cleveland or if trade compensation would be too high for Cleveland? But if we’re not drafting a QB at two (Ward goes #1 / Deion says I’m not letting my son play for Browns), First you gotta add a vet like Flacco, Cousins, or Brissett who can keep team competitive and run Stefanski system. You could draft a QB in early rounds with upside. Or you could go different route by adding Milton or Fields instead of drafting a QB this season. Who are both very athletic but again not sure they fit Stefanski‘s offensive system. The ramifications of the Watson trade will continue to put the browns organization backs to the wall. All the money and draft picks we gave up. Really backfired and I’m not sure you can fix everything in one year. Might realistically take two or three years to get back on track /playoff contention. & the pressure to make good choices is even higher now. Guys like DE M Garrett want to win /play meaningful games. So trying to balance that will be interesting to watch. The organization put all their eggs in one basket and they consistently double down on their decision, even when the results were horrendous. They only have themselves to blame for this mess.
The Athletic’s Jason Lloyd On Deshaun Watson: “For three years, the Browns contorted themselves to match Watson’s strengths and desires. But teammates ultimately grew tired of the organization catering to an ineffective quarterback, and he never really fit in Cleveland. He received at least one death threat. But after he arrived in Cleveland, Watson never embraced Stefanski’s system. He wanted to be in shotgun, and Stefanski wanted him under center to make the play-action component more effective. You have to bring Joe back; somebody has to teach Deshaun the offense,” one member of the organization said as the season neared its conclusion. “Joe picked it up faster in 30 days than Deshaun has in two years.”
That's Jason Lloyds opinion he's been wanting this whole damn thing blown up right after the season including front office and coaching staff so anything he says is just moot until he gets his wish😅😂😂😂
You look a little young but earnest byner got multiple death threats for two fumbles in two playoff games in different years death threats are nothing in Cleveland
Prove all of us who said that this was a great thing to have DW wrong, it doesn't look that way, does it? People would bash you for saying this was a bad trade, now they have to wonder and know it was on all levels
Nobody else is noticing AVP was awful in New England and got fired after his first year there, along with the rest of the regime? Dude isn’t a great OC and didn’t really advance the base Kubiak system at all in his time here. Needed an upgrade, though the Dorsey fit never made a lot of sense to me.
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You were all giddy when the Browns were trying to get Watson… a guy who hadn’t played in a year after sitting out the season and who had a plethora of personal baggage with 25+ women accusing him of sexual misconduct
The best thing for the Browns is to dissolve and start from scratch. New owner, new GM, new everything. Hell, maybe even rename and rebrand. It could fail but it’s gotta be better than constantly just slapping duct tape on a long broken product. On top of that, give the talented players a break and a chance to make a name for themselves with a good franchise. I know I’m not the only one who’s tired of seeing talented players, rookies and veterans alike, being drafted or traded into such poor management and leadership, and ultimately wasting their careers. Cleveland needs an entirely new franchise. #ProjectPhoenix
This should tell you that Kevin didn’t know how to use dw4 to dw4 strengths. Well stop it. You go after a qb and you build the offense around the qb not a system that doesn’t fit the qb that you go out and get.
1-word reaction to the Deshaun Watson news and rumors?
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Wow. Just wow.
woah
Goofy
Cousins.
Browns front office: We did our research on Watson. Remember that comment y’all.
That’s who needs fired. Whoever scouted Watson and thought this guy still had something. When it became obvious every time he was on the field and couldn’t compete a pass. He’s a lot slower and his arm strength was overrated and he didn’t wanna learn Stefanski offense. Flacco showed up Watson so bad it was obvious last year Watson wasn’t anywhere near what he was in Houston. This guy is getting his karma now. And it’s becoming more obvious his off field behavior is probably true also. Nobody wants to deal with the scumbag he’s become
@ I blame Texans also covering up his mistakes. They need take the blame to
We did. Apparently they didn't 💀
I remember that’s what they exactly said
Can't fire the owner this has Jimmy written all over it
Beating a dead horse at this point
The Browns have been the worst run organization in all of sports for 25 years and it's not even close. I still think we'll see another Cavs title and even a Guardians title before the Browns make a Super Bowl, let alone win one.
I seem to recall their coach winning coach of the year twice and winning 11 games and a playoff game despite wave of injuries in 2023 season.
The Browns"s did not do their homework on Deshaun Watson before they traded for him. Haslam pushed this trade and it backfired
Johnny Football...Watson... you name it...Haslem is a BAD OWNER! Brown's are going nowhere until we get an owner who knows his place... instead of one who thinks he knows football personnel.
The fans got suckered as well. So many people said “yay, Watson picked us!” He never wanted to come to CLE. He had to after they offered him that ridiculous contract and he robbed their asses.
Now it is time to fire the person or people that pushed this deal through for Watson.
ANDREW BERRY... the WORST GM in the NFL.
the owner cant be fired
@@badbone8229 would be great if someone would buy the owners out.
Well you cant fire the owner, he is the only one that wanted Watson, and he did that based on some vicious unsubstantiated lies by a cleveland reporter named
Mary kay cabot
Haslam 😂
Watson only took the Cleveland offer because it was the only organization that guaranteed the full amount.
This is true, but that's because Jimmy Haslam decided to willingly bend this organization over a barrel by not sticking with his QB. They said that "They needed an Adult in the room" when Mayfield was there. Well, what do you expect when you draft a rookie. The purpose is for him to develop and grow within your organization. The Browns front office decides to pay Watson a quarter billion dollars, to be an "adult" but is incapable of learning the offense in 2 years. You never heard this sort of nonsense with Baker Mayfield, even when having 4 HC's and 4 OC's in 4 years. I have never in my life seen a trade so bad, that 3 years after the trade occurred new information comes out reinforcing how desperately bad this trade was by the Browns.
Exactly, he never wanted to go to Cleveland and we got his lack of effort.
Sadly…our friends in Atlanta said they are SO thankful Deshaun didn’t go there!
No sheet !
Thank you for FINALLY telling the truth about how Watson decision ruined the whole Brown's team. What a bad idea to get him in the 1st place.
It has been awful from the start so disappointing from the leadership
Yeah, nobody knew until this article came out
Soooo after Watson left the team was still trash with 3 other QBs so what’s the excuse??
Just a bad bad organization
The Browns were fucked long before Watson bud. This whole situation is just more of the same.
@@gregholmes-brown5628were the browns really fucked, 2020 szn we were golden under a young injured baker who brought us all the way to the second round of the playoffs, our future was bright under baker
I projected a 4-13 Browns season. Never realized what an optimist I am. 😎
Liar
@@dwaynehoward240I predicated a losing season in the preseason. Haven’t done that in six years.
@Nick-Nasti they lose damn near every year so what are u predicting
I project playoffs next season without Watson watch
@@moneymaine9562 weed is legal, not crack.
Moral of the story is don't be swayed and amazed by diva stars. Odell and Watson were 2 players that have destroyed the chances of this very talented team the past 5 years having a chance to win. They had a window and getting these two playes pushed coaches and Baker out. I hope management has learned from this mistake.
Now to get out of his contract and NOT repeat a 230 million dollar mistake ever again
Wow. What an era of browns football that was. Insane roller coaster for us.
Deshaun was one of my favorite players in college and in Houston. I was excited out of my mind when we got him.
Those first 6 games he looked like garbage but everyone convinced themselves it was okay.
The same thing kept happening and then Flacco and Winston opened our eyes.
Through all that the Browns are still in a position to compete now after the draft and free agency.
LETS GO BROWNS
thanks for the video Petey
Knew he was garbage from the start. He held the ball too long his whole career, and was always near the top of the league in number of times sacked.
@@srujan00 same, I'm a indy fan so I watched alot of games involving him. 150% overrated.
The next time Jason Lloyd is right about “a scoop” will be the first.
Lloyd has an agenda like grossi does. He thrives on negative reporting and will contrive conclusions to fit his narrative.
@@ShockerRadio-wi6zeNo he doesn’t, Jason Lloyd is a good writer
@@ShockerRadio-wi6ze it's the browns, there are no positives
Jason Lloyd is really good. He’s not some hack. He was no doubt told everything that he reports in this piece. If you have evidence-not feelings-to the contrary, please, share it.
@ Opinions vary.
In summary, the Browns front office is dysfunctional. Nothing will change with Haslam as owner.
Exactly. Haslam is the real issue. They’re gonna sucker the city and fanbase into building a new stadium and just piss away tax payer money.
Dirty laundry being aired now? Watson must be going. Imagine if he doesn't.
We all know the DeShawn Watson trade was a disaster lets start moving forward !!
Problem is, they won’t. It’s gonna take years before this is forgotten.
Remember, Berry didn't want to give Watson a fully guaranteed contract. Haslam pushed it
Yep
What you're failing to realized is that Stefanskis traditional offense comes from the Mike Shannahan/Gary Kubiak tree.
Gary Kubiak was Flacco OC in Baltimore. So he knows the offense. And that offense fits hia skill set perfectly.
Thats WHY he was able to pick it up quickly.
The part with Flacco just puts into more detail why he was let go, even though at the time it wasn’t a surprise that someone who wasn’t in camp training, coming off the couch in December was better than Watson was in the matter of games showed how bad Watson really was, so Flacco was let go. The report shows how bad mentally Watson is on learning that he was under the system for two years struggling, yet Flacco comes in and learns it under 30 days.
I hope that the Browns don’t take Sanders since he’s a younger version of Watson, someone who has to be in the exact system that was built for him and will fail if it isn’t.
you guys hear or read a little something and jump on the wagon without any critical thinking. The guy is young and was once very successful. Was he a slow learner then? How many times have players come here with promise only to leave unceremoniously?
Bottom line Watson can’t read defenses period & Flacco was a freakin mastermind the west coast offense been around forever!
Fire berry
They should draft Jaxson Dart
Get rid of him and void his contract, end the suffering we have been subjected to by his drama and baggage
When Cooper when asked about Flacco. Remember what he said. He Throws A PRETTY BALL. I said to myself. WOW! Cooper never liked Watson. Now you see the Trade for Cooper to Buffalo. WOW!
a cloud was lifted....so not only did the fans cheer when he was hurt, some players did too?
Flacco threw 2 pick 6’s in a row in the playoffs. He’s over the hill.
playoffs is the optimum word in that comment
What a loser comment
Something Joe didn't get us to alone, 3 other qb's helped.
@@Browns4life Stumbling in the playoffs & getting you butt whopped doesn't count. But I'm keep watching the steelers get their butts handed to them every time they do the same thing.
Flacco had one bad game, Watson had a dozen or more. Watson did not have a single game as good as a handful of Flacco games.
Watson has wrecked the entire Team. No matter what our record is, we are better off without him.
You’ve been horrible for 50 years.😂
Andrew Berry wrecked this team...You bring in Watson and then refuse to bring in his number 1 WR in Hopkins..then you try and fail to trade Amari Cooper which means the team lost Cooper even before he was traded.
Andrew Berry wrecked this team but simple minded fans can't look past what's right in front of their noses.
The guys were not defending Watson. They were criticizing adjusting of the fans after a serious injury. Nothing more.
A cloud was lifted indeed. The rest of the Browns won 1 game after the injury
That's why I say trade down from 2nd OA AND trade Myles. He'll never be worth more and this team needs picks.
They won two and tanked the last 4 or 5 games.
@@Titus.The_Crucifierinsane take. Completely out of pocket and not based in reality.
@@Titus.The_Crucifierbaker’s 2 years with Stefanski he had a 2.01 TD to INT ratio to put that into perspective Peyton Manning’s career TD/INT ratio is 2.16. So even with the injured year in which he really only had 1 truly bad game which was the Green Bay game, where he had I think 3 or 4 picks, Stefanski had Baker playing good football in his system, but hey like you said stats don’t lie, it’s just a matter if you actually look at them or choose to live a revisionist history lifestyle. I don’t see how Baker played under Hue Jackson or Freddie Kitchens is Stefanski’s fault but hey, go off.
@ logical thinking might not be your strong suit. oh yeah how we forget that he broke the rookie TD record in 14 games under Hue Jackson/Gregg Williams. Under Todd Bowels who managed a 8-9 record with Tom Brady he’s made two trips to the playoffs, a pro bowl and was second in TD’s and passing yards this season. Yeah he’s a really bad QB, it’s obviously all coaching when it comes to Baker, thank you for the very informed backed by evidence statement.
That's why we got Joe Flacco
Brought in a QB that didn’t fit Stefanski offense, simply put. It’s not Flacco being better, Flacco better pocket passer from under center and Watson was better at shot gun.
Watson’s stats show he was worse than Flacco in the gun…
Stop letting the coach off the hook. He should have held Watson accountable regardless. Smh Hes a grown ass man, not a child.
This trade was a microcosm of today’s society. On the left, people said Watson had massive character flaws and the Browns were making a huge mistake. On the right, people said we know he’s probably a POS, but we’re gonna ignore that because he was really good with Houston for a season or two. This is why character matters. The red flags were there, but half of the Browns fan base decided to turn the other cheek to try and win a SB. Unfortunately it exploded in their faces and now the Browns are doomed again.
Interesting that you're positioning the left as the wise!
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This guy, soft pedals 9:18 the reason Callahan left. According to the WKNR guys who got this info from an insider, Callahan absolutely left because he knew they were going to dismantle his wide zone, blocking scheme, and thus destroy the running game, which absolutely happened.
As much as this article exposes Watson as a fraud , it also highlights Stefanski’s limitations as a coach. I live in Baltimore , and watched Harbaugh totally revamp the offense from Flacco to Lamar Jackson as the QB. That’s the sign of an elite coach
You make it sound like Harbaugh did that overnight…it took three years to do. Just b/c Lamar won the MVP doesn’t mean it was an effectively revamped offense.
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@@duzzitmatter8679 Flacco has always been strictly a pocket passer. When the Ravens drafted Lamar he wasn’t as nearly as good a passer as he is now, and the offense was adjusted to his skill set ( RPO) . Trust me I live here. I’ve been subjected to Ravens sports news more than I care to admit.
How many superbowls does Baltimore have since Lamar got there? I mean you have a 2x MVP and as you call him an elite coach so where's the super bowl? You SHOULD win this year not because any coaching but because the GM that built this offense. But Baltimore is no better they just win more games before doing nothing.
@ ain’t no “You”. I live in baltimore. Born and raised in Cleveland, diehard Browns fan, and will remain so until the day I die
If you watch the Browns quarterbacks from this year, especially Winston, they were about 90% effective when they took the snap from Center and not being in shotgun. The play action was incredibly effective. It’s just too bad that Winston doesn’t understand that defensive backs are not on his team
One of their many mistakes, to keep a player that hasn't panned out and is a huge paperweight
It was pretty obvious that Cooper wanted off the team and the O line lost faith in Watson. A lot of the players have family's and they had to go to war for this guy?
Every thing about Watson is a big RED FLAG
Everything lol. He never once showed that he had turned a corner mentally or with his maturity. I think people hoped that he would perform on the field regardless and he ended up being the worst QB in the league.
@@Meemeeseecoo💯‼️
The Browns basically wasted the best years of an elite defense by signing a QB that flat out should have never been allowed to play in the league to begin with. He hasn't come close to the QB of his Texans days.......GREAT job Browns front office......you managed to F it up again 😂😂😂
As a long time Browns fan (Bernie Kosar days) I can tell you the offensive line was terrible this year. It wouldn't have mattered who was under center. Cleveland needs a reset.
Ok so while you keep insisting deshaun was the entire problem. The other 3 qbs faired the same if worst than watson. Please explain that. The offense wasn't shaped around him then. So the receivers dropping a zillion passes was watson fault. The o line getting run through like they were prostitutes giving watson massages was his fault. Sorry bud. This team has way more problems. Starting with coaching. If the thing bringing in a rookie qb will help that. They just going to ruin another draft choice. Team needs legit weapons that any qb can count on.
Two things can be true at once. All of the other QBs failed because they’re awful. That doesn’t change the fact that the roster was held together by duct tape last year and finally gave out. I truly believe that Flacco wouldn’t have been able to win this year, because there’s just not enough healthy talent anymore. Our OGs are tired and crippled
@olivertrumanjr9556 i agree. Qb only as good as the talent around him.
Dorsey didn’t start calling plays until after Watson got hurt. If the whole purpose was to bring Dorsey to call the plays for DW4 , then why would the Browns wait until DW4 got hurst and out for the season to change the play callers . This made no sense and defeats the purpose of getting Dorsey.
Someone in the comments who understands ball😂thank god. I was always confused for the same reason. I always had a feelin Deshaun would end up working out, but could never understand why he didn’t
Facts
@@brettjohnson8152that’s because the coaching didn’t due there due diligence to make the offense work with dw4 strengths I wish they stop passing the buck
I hate that yall let ppl write things that they don’t put names things . I think ppl don’t do it because ppl can say prove what they say
Did not set the browns back? Only if Browns would be better off with Baker and 5 high draft picks on the team.
Haslem,Berry and Stephanski you dont want them representing you if your life was on the line.
Watson has just been a Huge mistake. And not bringing back Flacco to keep Watson happy is just stupid. Whether is AB fault or Stefanski they never could get Watson on board with the offense. Flacco knows the system better in 30days than Watson does in 2-3 yrs. I think Watson just trying to get AB and Stefanski fired to get another coach to cater to Watson. Now you start to see the other players frustration with this guy. Everybody is getting frustrated with Watson lack of talent and accountability. They just don’t like Watson he wasn’t the guy in locker room that had a lot of friends. I don’t see a world that Watson finds another Qb starting job in the NFL. He’s not coming back from this. Somebody may offer him a vet min contract to be a backup at best
10 Dorsey was told that he would be calling the place from the start and what does it matter if Ken Dorsey has more experience with mobile quarterbacks if the only place that coach would approve are that from a 1980 2 tight end offense. Kevin stefansky is horrible this is why David njoko can't seem to do any good in this 1980s tight end offense if Kevin stefansky had any clue what he was doing he would be designing plays for a superior athletic tight end instead he stuck with the 82 offense because it's the only thing he knows zero innovation zero vision zero talent but he did go to the ivy League so that may be why he had two coach of the years without winning a playoff game meanwhile there's coaches with three super bowls that don't have a coach of the year explain that nitwitz
Naw, do not blame this fiasco solely on Watson. Watson's last year in Houston was 2020. He threw for 4,823 yds, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, with a QBR of 112.4. His first full season in Cleveland Watson's stats for his first full season here were 1115 YDs, 7 TDs, 4 INTs and a QBR of 84.3.
Baker Mayfield's last season in Cleveland was 2021, he threw for 3010 YDs, 17 TDs, 13 INTs and a QBR of 84.3. Mayfield played through injuries and was handcuffed with Stefanski's antiquated offense. This past season, Baker led his team to the playoffs. He threw for 4500 yds, 41 TDs, 26 INTs, and a QBR of 106.8. He finally had a coach who designed his office around the talents of the players instead of trying to stick square legs into round holes. Stefanski needs to be gone if he continues to lay his heavy and unskilled hands on our offense. The new OC must have the complete authority to design the offense and to call plays. If that is unacceptable to Kevin, then hire a new HC.
These "assumptions" make it sound like Ownership wasn't the one dictating the Watson disaster. A lot of problems could be cast aside if Haslam openly admitted that he was forcing his leadership into Watson support. The fact that he hasn't fired Berry and Stefanski screams that it wasn't their fault, so why not own it so the media stops depicting them as making such an incompetent move!? Humility obviously is lacking, and speaks towards his poor leadership.
Just how exactly did Watson hurt his Achilles again?? How did the injury occur and not his twisted his ankle
Jeez, the crap we go through with QBs!
Bill Callahan is a smart man, to run from a burning building that is the Browns organization and ownership
Front office is very terrible , let's make money not chase money away from the city
As a Texans fan I want to say “Thank Y’all” for everything. 😂
Yeah, since the actions Watson committed were while you guys had him. Those nda’s were sure handy, huh?
This is true, but after all that YALL gave him a guaranteed 200 million and Houston 3 1st rounders which imo they should have arrested Nick Caserio for Felony Theft. His talents were left on the floor before coming to Cleveland kinda like his massage towel. 🎤 ⬇️
It's actually kind of sad how out of all those picks the Texans only got one of them right. Will Anderson Jr. Texans needs a new GM and QB it looks like too.
@ lmao a new QB your a clown bro.
The Texans have developed in to a decent team over the last couple of years but no more than that. The AFC South is a very weak division and outside of it the Texans have a losing record in 2024. The Chiefs are somewhat flattered by their 15-2 record but will likely be too good for the Texans on Saturday.
Watson was done playing football the moment he signed that guaranteed contract. Duh!
It’s obvious the money created a separation before he step in the locker room the real is slowly leaking out
Cow-towing to Watson wasn't really good for Stefanski either! And I wonder if putting the QB on a pedestal like this has caused a rift between the HC and the rest of the team that maybe Stefanski can't recover from!!
I HOPE THERES A DAY IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHERE WE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS 🤡 ✌️ DW4, THX FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!
If he re-injured his his foot by doing something he wasn’t supposed to and while not following doctors orders then there should be more than an insurance payment. Those contracts are pretty darn thorough.
Kevin is just as much to blame. He was supposed to be the leader and his teams in general were never ready to play.
This is all 20/20 hindsight. Something like 14 teams wanted Watson and everyone said it would be a game changer, mainly based on 2020and before performance. At the time it was dry risky though given lack of playing, injuries and especially off the field problems. So it didn’t work out, Watson is $230M richer and it’s time to put it in the rear view mirror.
Thank you...exactly
Stefanski was following the Haslam mandate regarding criticizing Watson. Don’t cross the boss.
They should of kept flocco
guessing the pick a card right is the most excited I've been watching these videos since last year
it is all we have at this point
The Browns have to be the most curious case in the NFL. This franchise is constantly making solid draft picks, splash moves in free agency and have a coach of the year candidate and still continually fall on their face every season. just proof that throwing money around doesn't solve all the problems.
That’s what they did for a couple years. They were handing out ridiculous contracts left & right.
Watson was never a good gb, someone please show a play where Watson read the defense and audibled!? There isn't one! The guy has an iq in double digits or he his lazy and not willing to do the mental work necessary to be successful! I strongly believe it is the former and he is just not smart enough to understand the complexities of the game at an nfl level
Baker gets us to the playoffs(we get rid of him), Joe Flacco takes us to the playoffs (we get rid of him) do you not see the Jerry jones syndrome going on in cleveland, we give a guy 250m that haven’t played football in 2 years and hasn’t won not even 1 meaningful game for the browns in 4 years and we can’t find a way to get him gone/traded, what kind of circus is being run in that building, there needs to be a lot more then coaches being fired
Solid stuff. Good reporting
Thanks for watching! I appreciate you!
Imagine if we still had baker
Would definitely be interesting for Baker to make a return
Like I said before, I hope Watson never even visits Cleveland ever again.
😮terrible of the coach, that as you said, the other players said Stefanski wouldn’t correct Watson mistakes but corrected all of theirs…..everyone could see Watson wasn’t liked by the players bc when both Flacco and WINston took over it was like a different team, they were exciting again winning, and having fun….because Flacco and WINston are good quarterbacks and real leaders!!!! We heard Watson was a problem in Texas as well refused to play for a coach and let his team down there too. Sad. Atlanta friends said, THANK goodness Watson did not come here.!
This is almost word for word the Baker situation with the only difference being Watson hasn’t demanded a trade yet like Baker did when the team got fed up with it.
At least we know why they did not keep Flacco. "Because they didn't want to hear fans in the stands chanting Flacco" while Watson was crashing and burning. So they bring in Winston (sounds like Watson, just in case any fool would chant that). Now the Browns will not have to worry about anybody chanting anything because there will be no one in the stands. Thanks Bonehead Berry!
It appears this past season management/haslam tried their best to force it to work with Watson in Cleveland. Unfortunately that only made the situation worse. For the players and the fans. After making such a big investment in Watson it understandable Jimmy was not going to give up without trying everything in his power to get the QB back to his previous elite level. Now it seems they realize Watson is truly a lost cause. Moving forward they will let Stefanski go back to running his system again. I think this will be good for the team moving forward. But they have to add a solid veteran QB and a talented young QB prospect in the draft or via Free Agency/trade. I think Pats QB J Milton very talented and intriguing. Maybe more so than Justin Fields. Not sure if his style a fit in Cleveland or if trade compensation would be too high for Cleveland? But if we’re not drafting a QB at two (Ward goes #1 / Deion says I’m not letting my son play for Browns), First you gotta add a vet like Flacco, Cousins, or Brissett who can keep team competitive and run Stefanski system. You could draft a QB in early rounds with upside. Or you could go different route by adding Milton or Fields instead of drafting a QB this season. Who are both very athletic but again not sure they fit Stefanski‘s offensive system. The ramifications of the Watson trade will continue to put the browns organization backs to the wall. All the money and draft picks we gave up. Really backfired and I’m not sure you can fix everything in one year. Might realistically take two or three years to get back on track /playoff contention. & the pressure to make good choices is even higher now. Guys like DE M Garrett want to win /play meaningful games. So trying to balance that will be interesting to watch. The organization put all their eggs in one basket and they consistently double down on their decision, even when the results were horrendous. They only have themselves to blame for this mess.
The Athletic’s Jason Lloyd On Deshaun Watson:
“For three years, the Browns contorted themselves to match Watson’s strengths and desires. But teammates ultimately grew tired of the organization catering to an ineffective quarterback, and he never really fit in Cleveland. He received at least one death threat. But after he arrived in Cleveland, Watson never embraced Stefanski’s system. He wanted to be in shotgun, and Stefanski wanted him under center to make the play-action component more effective. You have to bring Joe back; somebody has to teach Deshaun the offense,” one member of the organization said as the season neared its conclusion. “Joe picked it up faster in 30 days than Deshaun has in two years.”
We were told by Kevin Stefanski himself the offense would be "tailored around Deshawn Watson". By what you have said here that means it NEVER was.
That's Jason Lloyds opinion he's been wanting this whole damn thing blown up right after the season including front office and coaching staff so anything he says is just moot until he gets his wish😅😂😂😂
@@randyschlupp4405he’s a Stefanski apologist.
Left out the death threat...
We needed an adult in the locker room.
You look a little young but earnest byner got multiple death threats for two fumbles in two playoff games in different years death threats are nothing in Cleveland
Prove all of us who said that this was a great thing to have DW wrong, it doesn't look that way, does it? People would bash you for saying this was a bad trade, now they have to wonder and know it was on all levels
Most of the players know what is going on
Nobody else is noticing AVP was awful in New England and got fired after his first year there, along with the rest of the regime? Dude isn’t a great OC and didn’t really advance the base Kubiak system at all in his time here. Needed an upgrade, though the Dorsey fit never made a lot of sense to me.
The second Watson told the Media he doesn’t want more option run plays I knew we was cooked
I'm going to have to say it your the best one covering the Browns!
Thanks man!
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Deshaun a bum. It’s not his team to call the plays. He does what he’s told
I told all yall 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Watson looks like he has no idea what to do with the ball, they stink. Darnold would be a good fit.
Wouldn’t it be great if DeShaun came back next year & had a Pro Bowl year!?
I think ppl underestimate how those allegations impacted Deshaun mental.
I did always wonder why The Browns would trade for a shot gun style QB, then try to change that.
How did AVP look in New York?
You were all giddy when the Browns were trying to get Watson… a guy who hadn’t played in a year after sitting out the season and who had a plethora of personal baggage with 25+ women accusing him of sexual misconduct
The best thing for the Browns is to dissolve and start from scratch. New owner, new GM, new everything. Hell, maybe even rename and rebrand. It could fail but it’s gotta be better than constantly just slapping duct tape on a long broken product. On top of that, give the talented players a break and a chance to make a name for themselves with a good franchise. I know I’m not the only one who’s tired of seeing talented players, rookies and veterans alike, being drafted or traded into such poor management and leadership, and ultimately wasting their careers. Cleveland needs an entirely new franchise. #ProjectPhoenix
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This should tell you that Kevin didn’t know how to use dw4 to dw4 strengths. Well stop it. You go after a qb and you build the offense around the qb not a system that doesn’t fit the qb that you go out and get.
Why does Berry still have a job???? It's sickening. Trades F. Free agency F. Draft D+ Salary cap management F
Of all the QBs on roster.watson has the most upside.ouch.trade our 1st into next years 1st round.have lots of ammo to get the best QB Next year.
Get rid of DEI front office.. bring back Dorsey
Get rid of racist fake fans. Take off your white sheets and announce yourself proudly.
DEI is far right code for the N word you're too much of a coward to say