Call me crazy but I feel like full tals has hidden stats or something I had shako , hoto, skulders and your usual off set +skill gear and was doing way worse than putting full tals back on. I absolutely destroy everything as a fire/cold sorc with orb/fireball/meteor with my full tals. The only downside is my cta doesn't give much bonus hp because of my massive amount of +sorc instead of +all
Full Tal has always been a popular choice. There's a reason why it's always worth at-least one HR during the ladder seasons, because it's simple and effective. The debate has always been 3-piece with occy and shako vs. full tal. I did research about this years ago and this debate has been discussed since 2004 quite heavily. The conclusions are that full tall offers more sturdiness and damage while 3-piece offers more MF. I think many people prefer doing the 3-piece online since they're stuck in players 1. So you may as well just stack as much MF as possible as everything dies quickly anyways with either gear set up. The extra 100 MF can go a long way if you don't have a lot of MF from other sources.
@@MhUser Interesting statement. Now I do not know current prices since I haven't purchased D2R yet, but generally full tal or 3-tal is not too expensive except for the first few weeks of a ladder. So the idea is that you do the small investment in your MF gear so that you can use that build to farm and create new builds with. In general for most effective builds in PVM (and definitely PVP), just one piece of said build is more expensive than full tal or 3-tal. Take for example the runeword Grief, which has a Lo in it (and often times Lo is just as expensive as Jah or Ber). Now full tal is generally worth about 1HR and it's not uncommon to get a full-tal for an ohm or vex depending on the current ladder economy, but in either case this is cheaper than a Lo rune at any point in the ladder. In-fact, nearly every season I played D2 the prices after two weeks or so are this: -Tal chest = Ist -Tal ammy = Ist -Tal orb, belt, helm = a few pgems except for maybe the perfect rolled ones -Occy - Pul -Shako - Pul/Ist depending on defense roll So any way you slice it, either set up is cheaper than a single piece of most builds. Not to mention to make any MF build as effective as a sorceress you need Enigma, which is a Jah and Ber. So all in all, what I'm trying to say is that if you want to create more characters, then for sure you will want some more MF despite the fact that you can afford either of these set ups (since they're relatively cheap set-ups).
Good video. Would love to have seen a side-by-side comparison of all three configuration stats at the end to include what you had listed during each run and the resists (which is more important to me than MF in terms of quality of life).
I'd use the Tal set for MFing with p8 for the resistances, so I could actually try to MF other places as well with more survivability. For p1, I'd go with the set with most MF as I would MF fewer places, but increased chances of getting better items.
Honestly, I don't think this was a good comparison. With an inventory full of good charms, access to torch, comparing at players1 and with CtA, the differences are just almost meaningless. You have well over 500 MF in all 3 setups, more than enough mana and life so you basically can't die, and more. The only difference is a few resists, some (tals) or a lot of (fathom) extra damage, and the extra 50 or 100 MF that Occy+Shako provides. Dimishing returns would point towards maximizing dmg, but at players1 with such godly gear the enemies will melt anyway. I think it would be more useful to the average or even somewhat rich player to compare at lower numbers. People will have a bunch of 7% small charms but maybe not two dozen, maybe not 2 SoJs, etc.
yeah i was wondering why on p1? in the end u want to max out ur run so at least p5 imo ofc p7 prefered... and y i also agree on the fact, that, at the piont u get tal armor u have probalby the set complete but the rest of the gear is where its stands/falls du u have occu/hoto/DF? do u have 2x sojs and so on (charms are the same category, in theory u could have mf skiller) and for me ~350ish mf is the piont i want to reach everything more is bonus, after that i focus more on dmg but overall i agree the comparison lacks a bit and imo u just go full tal if u want the shiny aura :P
Yeah I mean, if you're doing p1, the enemies are melting with all 3 setups, so one would think that going for Occy+Shako would be best. Yet, going from 533 to 633 is only a 170 -> 179 improvement in Uniques, which is very small, so you might choose something else if you hate the Teleport proc or something. Also, with the enemies dying so easily at p1, you definitely don't need CtA on Switch, so Harmony would be an optimal weapon switch for the velocity while in town. It just wasn't very useful. The takeout was "BlizzSorc has 3 godly setups for AT that are 1-5% apart from each other depending on which stat you're looking".
@@rafaelquadros7970 yeah the tele thing is the reason i pref hoto over occu and sadly i dont have a Df so its not an option for :/ in the end what u say is true 3 builds kinda similar and pretty good for p1-3 maybe even 5 but if u rly just focus on low players than it doesnt rly matter :D
I think you forgot that df only has 20 fcr, in the DF video you are running 95fcr, you need a ring with that setup. Outside of that a nice video, personaly i would have used 2fcr rings with mf + chanceguards for the 3tals + oculus build, the sojs dont really do much, you kill so fast anyway, but for the integrity of the test it was fine.
I have 700 mf sors, verry good rez. This sors can kill up to act 4 hell, no need to use potions. Items: oculus(ist), armor is eth skull(sometning), 2*30mf rings, amulet- 34mf 19 all rez. shako(yellow perf), spirit, 50 war boots. Max greed, 2 tombs of... cube 20rez torch,anix and 7mf charms. Verry easy to kill mefo, andy tunels, act 1 and 2 keys.
Have you ever made an avenger? I have a base and spare runes for a famine zerker and I have never played one. I can pull a merc faith from another toon and try it, was just wondering how it stacks up. It's a very hipster pally but being able to ignore all resistances more or less with the variety of mixed damage seems like a nice relief, and pally is likely the most survivable class so I can open up a lot of space in gear even if I do not have to go to the nines for anything in particular. Which also means I can use a bunch of random unique and rares that I have hanging around instead of them just sitting there looking pretty.
Hey Dbrunski, very interesting video (as always)! I was thinking of starting a single player Holy Grail quest myself, beginning with a Sorceress for running LK, then moving to a Javazon for bases from cows and finally a Pitzerker for sets/uniques. What do you think of this strategy? Can it be changed/improved in any way?
It’s an efficient strategy, but it’ll get pretty boring once you get to around 30 items left. Constantly playing a pitzerker is very boring (in my opinion). You’ll have more fun making a bunch of different characters while on your grail quest. Good luck.
Brett - Thank you for your answer. Honestly I don’t mind repetition that much (otherwise I wouldn’t have been running LK lol), and I’m going to create other characters and do other stuff anyway, what I presented is just the “main strategy”. But again, thanks.
Dbrunski125 - Thank you for your answer! I will take into account your suggestion, but I wanted to create a Javazon anyway so I guess I will see along the way. Good luck with your Holy Grail!
I did the same thing except started with a hammerdin. I found blizzard sor boring and hammerdin with zero gear actually viable to pass hell and mf basics. P5 pits at level 80 with shopped items and spirit sword shield combo only. The biggest problem is Infinity and Enigma, without these two items many builds will be too inefficient. And getting enough HRs in SP is hard.
Full tal set shines with mete-blizz hybrid. Did it on ladder in2019, could solo anything in hell. Ultra rare Cold/Fire immune static+telekinesis lock untill merc finished. Kinda funny for nostlagy's sake.
Thanks for the great video. Two questions: Did you put a point into frozen armor and cold mastery? Aslo, why do you dump points into frozen orb? Thank you!
Totally agree that Full Tals is underrated. Used it until I got Enigma and specked out of cold altogether. it’s Super balanced, didn’t have to regear for Dclone or bosses and also took down Uber’s with it
Dude.. You know, I was never a Necromander guy, since its debatable for HC single plugy. I have a level 80 summoner which is fun but killspeed is really slow until I have the (super) highend gear. Now I reactivated my poison necromancer (from like level 50) and since I have a level 37 battleorder to buff myself, I can almost fully equip damage stuff. So I have at least a level 40 poison nova, backed up by a level 10 lower resistance from a staff and a level 36 corpse explosion and you know .. I dont even have deathsweb and bramble right now but the damage output is already utterly insane. I highly recommend that you play one by yourself and yeah, maybe make a video in the future.
i got tal armor from hell cows drop, tal ammy took 800 hell andy runs. Really is a grind to get some pieces since trade prices are so high at the moment.
I can't count the amount of times occy auto tele has saved my ass. It's instant when it happens, and you can be stun locked and still be teleported. FHR can't always come in clutch. That and, shit rarely should be hitting you anyways when fighting usually.
when magic finding whats the best players setting to have the game set at? i am running a hybrid cold/fire sorc. is it worth the extra time fighting on players 8 go for faster runs on lower setting? thanks mate, long time sub and love the content
Depends on your kill speed really.Can you clear player 7 setting comfortably?If so might aswell do them runs on p7 but seeing as you say you play hybrid i bet you are not that geared maybe at most try players 3 untill u get better equipment.Players 3-5-7 are all the checkpoints you get increase in drops. Edit: Since you probably play PlugY never sacrifice killing speed for big loads of mf or higher setting if you are not geared well enough to drop p7 monsters quick.
@@michaelmcclung1829 If you don't have Infinity and play on PlugY, there's only one answer, blizzard sorceress on Ancient Tunnels, due to Cold Mastery basically working as an Infinity, it's the only char that, with good gear, can do players 5-7 Ancient Tunnel runs relatively comfy. Without Infinity, both Fire and Lightning skills simply won't do enough damage to do anything noteworthy.
hrm idk I always ran light sorc as end game builds and did the 3x set for light. either x3 set or full on dmg build with coh maras max eschutas max griffins with facets ect. full tals gives extra dmg for cold sorcs but not for light, and I have always felt cold was superior for starting out but light is definitely always superior with gear. in my summarization tals 3x for light, full tals for cold. the 1 thing ive always done with the x3 set is needing resists from scs boots and 1 fcr ring. and its really quite ez to get close to max resists if going mf/res scs with mf/resist boots, fcr ring, for your x3 set. I suppose full tals is quite simple and easy. but i dont ever wish to go backwards and play cold as apposed to light. 3x tals > full
Guys, i'm new at Diablo2, can some1 answer me about "add lightning/fire/cold/poison dmg can increase lightning/fire/cold/poison spell dmg (like sorc's lightning/cold skill), or just effect on hit striking (barba). Tks for reading
Did a lot of testing between both myself, and found 3piece tals to be best for p1 farming, and full tals to be better for anything p3 and up. My setups almost identical to yours but I instead of magefist/2 soj I use chancies and 2 10fcr/15mf/dual res rare rings to maintain the 105 fcr
@@TheShmrsh i have too but im talking about the end-game items like windforce or tyrael's might. Ive been farming at players 1 and ive noticed the drops are just repeating. Ive gotten some items like 10x already.
@@redgranger7377 its because overall chance for repetitive drop is high, if you cranck players diff up you'll probably will just have more crap drops (:
So the only reason u say 3 piece is better is cause of more mf right? So now that we can corrupt tals and weopon to give us more mf on full tals set, would u say full tals is better in PoD?
Full Tal set is pretty strong when you want to p1.But id probably go for fathom build and get ARez instead of Ists and lose some MF to cap out on resists so you can farm some p7.
Every build works with Infinity, but which build and gears (full tals or 3 piece) is better to do things in hell? Frozen orb + fire ball? Blizz full? frozen orb + lightning? Can you tell us plz? Thanks! PS.: Please, remember that not everybody have all those skill charms on b.net ladder.
If I ever get a Tal's armor, I will replace my current res-jeweled Vipermagi with an Ist-ed Tal's to sacrifice FCR and +1 to All Skills in the honor of MF.
Neither are necessary. Can get 550 mf with 10k blizzard with max res. 7%charms with res, don’t need tals, can get more dmg elsewhere and keep res and mf high.
That's what bugs me the most, what was the idea behind putting Life and Mana leech on a set dedicated entirely to a sorceress, +1-2 to elemental masteries, MF, FCR, even FHR would've worked perfectly. Also it's ugly.
It didnt even need that is was the life and mana leech that was just retarded. If they'd of gone with life and mana after each kill then it would of been a nice effective helm and contributed to the set better.
I think it would only be fair to compare these guys at a players 3 or higher, where not everything dies in one shot. If everything dies in one shot anyway then of course the highest MF set would take the cake.
Full Tal deals more damage and is safer to play, good balance between resistance, damage, skill and MF, 3 piece Tal wit Oculus and Shako gives higher MF
True, but since the mf curve tapers off hard after 300-400mf it really isn't a big difference. And you can still use alibaba+rhyme for additional mf when you killing bosses.
yea, kinda hard to believe after 100's of Diablo/Baal runs and probably into 1000's of Tunnel runs. it's just sad it's most important item to get right now for me and by the looks of it i'll probably quit before i get it.
So I been using full tals and swapping out my hoto and shako. I just don't get why it's so much stronger. I'm about to sell my shako and Hoto like Jesus I'm wrecking with full tals still got like 330% mf and f Max resists
Everything I read is that 300 to 350 is the sweet spot for MF.....that when you go over 350 it's not really going to change the unique drops too much....I guess....I don't know
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Full Tals confirmed as best in D2R due to the display aura now being in 4K.
Mav set best set too
@@jennyxie5382 ik set... spin 2 win
Call me crazy but I feel like full tals has hidden stats or something I had shako , hoto, skulders and your usual off set +skill gear and was doing way worse than putting full tals back on. I absolutely destroy everything as a fire/cold sorc with orb/fireball/meteor with my full tals. The only downside is my cta doesn't give much bonus hp because of my massive amount of +sorc instead of +all
Full Tal has always been a popular choice. There's a reason why it's always worth at-least one HR during the ladder seasons, because it's simple and effective. The debate has always been 3-piece with occy and shako vs. full tal. I did research about this years ago and this debate has been discussed since 2004 quite heavily. The conclusions are that full tall offers more sturdiness and damage while 3-piece offers more MF.
I think many people prefer doing the 3-piece online since they're stuck in players 1. So you may as well just stack as much MF as possible as everything dies quickly anyways with either gear set up. The extra 100 MF can go a long way if you don't have a lot of MF from other sources.
you dont need any mf at all when you can afford full tal or any setup that has been mentioned here
@@MhUser Interesting statement. Now I do not know current prices since I haven't purchased D2R yet, but generally full tal or 3-tal is not too expensive except for the first few weeks of a ladder. So the idea is that you do the small investment in your MF gear so that you can use that build to farm and create new builds with. In general for most effective builds in PVM (and definitely PVP), just one piece of said build is more expensive than full tal or 3-tal. Take for example the runeword Grief, which has a Lo in it (and often times Lo is just as expensive as Jah or Ber). Now full tal is generally worth about 1HR and it's not uncommon to get a full-tal for an ohm or vex depending on the current ladder economy, but in either case this is cheaper than a Lo rune at any point in the ladder. In-fact, nearly every season I played D2 the prices after two weeks or so are this:
-Tal chest = Ist
-Tal ammy = Ist
-Tal orb, belt, helm = a few pgems except for maybe the perfect rolled ones
-Occy - Pul
-Shako - Pul/Ist depending on defense roll
So any way you slice it, either set up is cheaper than a single piece of most builds. Not to mention to make any MF build as effective as a sorceress you need Enigma, which is a Jah and Ber. So all in all, what I'm trying to say is that if you want to create more characters, then for sure you will want some more MF despite the fact that you can afford either of these set ups (since they're relatively cheap set-ups).
Good video. Would love to have seen a side-by-side comparison of all three configuration stats at the end to include what you had listed during each run and the resists (which is more important to me than MF in terms of quality of life).
Side-by-side stat comparison at end would of have been neat
I'd use the Tal set for MFing with p8 for the resistances, so I could actually try to MF other places as well with more survivability.
For p1, I'd go with the set with most MF as I would MF fewer places, but increased chances of getting better items.
It takes special type of person to play to the perfection single game for many years.
I prefer full tals just for strong resist decent damage and gold aura. Looks awesome!
He made this video to show off his sparkly new Deaths Fathom XD
Not even eth, Charsi food.
Heeyyyy when u found deaths fathom :OOO
@@benny6639 not even charsi, is more to "drop + alt f4"
@@euklesio
Pfft, just uninstall the game and delete all the files at this point. What even is the point of continuing to play?
Honestly, I don't think this was a good comparison. With an inventory full of good charms, access to torch, comparing at players1 and with CtA, the differences are just almost meaningless. You have well over 500 MF in all 3 setups, more than enough mana and life so you basically can't die, and more. The only difference is a few resists, some (tals) or a lot of (fathom) extra damage, and the extra 50 or 100 MF that Occy+Shako provides. Dimishing returns would point towards maximizing dmg, but at players1 with such godly gear the enemies will melt anyway.
I think it would be more useful to the average or even somewhat rich player to compare at lower numbers. People will have a bunch of 7% small charms but maybe not two dozen, maybe not 2 SoJs, etc.
yeah i was wondering why on p1? in the end u want to max out ur run so at least p5 imo ofc p7 prefered... and y i also agree on the fact, that, at the piont u get tal armor u have probalby the set complete but the rest of the gear is where its stands/falls du u have occu/hoto/DF? do u have 2x sojs and so on (charms are the same category, in theory u could have mf skiller)
and for me ~350ish mf is the piont i want to reach everything more is bonus, after that i focus more on dmg
but overall i agree the comparison lacks a bit
and imo u just go full tal if u want the shiny aura :P
Yeah I mean, if you're doing p1, the enemies are melting with all 3 setups, so one would think that going for Occy+Shako would be best. Yet, going from 533 to 633 is only a 170 -> 179 improvement in Uniques, which is very small, so you might choose something else if you hate the Teleport proc or something. Also, with the enemies dying so easily at p1, you definitely don't need CtA on Switch, so Harmony would be an optimal weapon switch for the velocity while in town.
It just wasn't very useful. The takeout was "BlizzSorc has 3 godly setups for AT that are 1-5% apart from each other depending on which stat you're looking".
@@rafaelquadros7970 yeah the tele thing is the reason i pref hoto over occu and sadly i dont have a Df so its not an option for :/
in the end what u say is true 3 builds kinda similar and pretty good for p1-3 maybe even 5 but if u rly just focus on low players than it doesnt rly matter :D
Fair enough good points. Was just if anything trying to show the similarity between full tals to 3 tals in health mf and dmg is all
@@Dbrunski125 for the similarities u did a good job m8 =) i still w8 to test DF myself rng-sus is not with me
cant wait till d2 remastered comes and your channel blows up
Is this gonna be a thing?
@@kyky7kyle7 Now it is (Diablo 2: Resurrected)
Why not show without charms? You showing the set not your stacked inventory.
Another noice video dbro! Would you consider putting a cold facet in fathom instead of ist ?
Full Tal set might be a clear winner for dual element sorc (like frozen orb/meteor) since it adds damage to all elements.
I think you forgot that df only has 20 fcr, in the DF video you are running 95fcr, you need a ring with that setup. Outside of that a nice video, personaly i would have used 2fcr rings with mf + chanceguards for the 3tals + oculus build, the sojs dont really do much, you kill so fast anyway, but for the integrity of the test it was fine.
Yea just tried to keep the rings and gloves the same for all the builds. Maybe could have just slipped on 1 fcr ring or something to get 95 to 105.
Just found my first lacquered plate yesterday! Nice video
Leaving a rare amulet on the ground pains me.
My man DB out here looking like he got a massive sunburn out at the lake over Victoria day long weekend
I have 700 mf sors, verry good rez. This sors can kill up to act 4 hell, no need to use potions. Items: oculus(ist), armor is eth skull(sometning), 2*30mf rings, amulet- 34mf 19 all rez. shako(yellow perf), spirit, 50 war boots. Max greed, 2 tombs of... cube 20rez torch,anix and 7mf charms. Verry easy to kill mefo, andy tunels, act 1 and 2 keys.
Have you ever made an avenger? I have a base and spare runes for a famine zerker and I have never played one. I can pull a merc faith from another toon and try it, was just wondering how it stacks up. It's a very hipster pally but being able to ignore all resistances more or less with the variety of mixed damage seems like a nice relief, and pally is likely the most survivable class so I can open up a lot of space in gear even if I do not have to go to the nines for anything in particular. Which also means I can use a bunch of random unique and rares that I have hanging around instead of them just sitting there looking pretty.
Nice guy so much potential, i played d2 for like 10 years of my life.. watching this for nostalgia... pls move on to a newer game.. you will do well!!
DB!! When did you get the DF? I dont think i remember the video of it!!
Hey Dbrunski, very interesting video (as always)! I was thinking of starting a single player Holy Grail quest myself, beginning with a Sorceress for running LK, then moving to a Javazon for bases from cows and finally a Pitzerker for sets/uniques. What do you think of this strategy? Can it be changed/improved in any way?
It’s an efficient strategy, but it’ll get pretty boring once you get to around 30 items left. Constantly playing a pitzerker is very boring (in my opinion). You’ll have more fun making a bunch of different characters while on your grail quest. Good luck.
sounds good to me. you could just farm cows with a blizz sorc if you want to save yourself the time of bringing up a javazon :)
Brett - Thank you for your answer. Honestly I don’t mind repetition that much (otherwise I wouldn’t have been running LK lol), and I’m going to create other characters and do other stuff anyway, what I presented is just the “main strategy”. But again, thanks.
Dbrunski125 - Thank you for your answer! I will take into account your suggestion, but I wanted to create a Javazon anyway so I guess I will see along the way. Good luck with your Holy Grail!
I did the same thing except started with a hammerdin. I found blizzard sor boring and hammerdin with zero gear actually viable to pass hell and mf basics. P5 pits at level 80 with shopped items and spirit sword shield combo only. The biggest problem is Infinity and Enigma, without these two items many builds will be too inefficient. And getting enough HRs in SP is hard.
Full tal set shines with mete-blizz hybrid. Did it on ladder in2019, could solo anything in hell. Ultra rare Cold/Fire immune static+telekinesis lock untill merc finished. Kinda funny for nostlagy's sake.
should i play plugy or path of diablo, also do you play path of diablo brunski?
Thanks for the great video.
Two questions: Did you put a point into frozen armor and cold mastery? Aslo, why do you dump points into frozen orb?
Thank you!
Totally agree that Full Tals is underrated. Used it until I got Enigma and specked out of cold altogether. it’s Super balanced, didn’t have to regear for Dclone or bosses and also took down Uber’s with it
Ubers with tals... in your dreams v:
I bet this has been asked allready but what mode you play in b.net or some kinda mod ?
Is it a lame idea to use the plate on any character(ie necro) for its mf and res or is it better to trade it ?
Dude.. You know, I was never a Necromander guy, since its debatable for HC single plugy.
I have a level 80 summoner which is fun but killspeed is really slow until I have the (super) highend gear.
Now I reactivated my poison necromancer (from like level 50) and since I have a level 37 battleorder to buff myself, I can almost fully equip damage stuff.
So I have at least a level 40 poison nova, backed up by a level 10 lower resistance from a staff and a level 36 corpse explosion
and you know .. I dont even have deathsweb and bramble right now but the damage output is already utterly insane.
I highly recommend that you play one by yourself and yeah, maybe make a video in the future.
why infinity since you are blizzard sorc?
I really want to run the tal set, but I'm still missing the amulet and body armor
i got tal armor from hell cows drop, tal ammy took 800 hell andy runs. Really is a grind to get some pieces since trade prices are so high at the moment.
@@Biggbill3401 I've got armor in 2-3 runs to the Pits.
I can't count the amount of times occy auto tele has saved my ass. It's instant when it happens, and you can be stun locked and still be teleported. FHR can't always come in clutch. That and, shit rarely should be hitting you anyways when fighting usually.
when magic finding whats the best players setting to have the game set at? i am running a hybrid cold/fire sorc. is it worth the extra time fighting on players 8 go for faster runs on lower setting? thanks mate, long time sub and love the content
Depends on your kill speed really.Can you clear player 7 setting comfortably?If so might aswell do them runs on p7 but seeing as you say you play hybrid i bet you are not that geared maybe at most try players 3 untill u get better equipment.Players 3-5-7 are all the checkpoints you get increase in drops.
Edit: Since you probably play PlugY never sacrifice killing speed for big loads of mf or higher setting if you are not geared well enough to drop p7 monsters quick.
@@wtbskilllololo yeah I play plugy and my gear is not to bad, just dont have infinity yet. Thanks for the advice mate
@@michaelmcclung1829 If you don't have Infinity and play on PlugY, there's only one answer, blizzard sorceress on Ancient Tunnels, due to Cold Mastery basically working as an Infinity, it's the only char that, with good gear, can do players 5-7 Ancient Tunnel runs relatively comfy. Without Infinity, both Fire and Lightning skills simply won't do enough damage to do anything noteworthy.
Is 3p tal's better than something like maras, skulders, and goldwrap/arachnid mesh?
hrm idk I always ran light sorc as end game builds and did the 3x set for light. either x3 set or full on dmg build with coh maras max eschutas max griffins with facets ect. full tals gives extra dmg for cold sorcs but not for light, and I have always felt cold was superior for starting out but light is definitely always superior with gear. in my summarization tals 3x for light, full tals for cold. the 1 thing ive always done with the x3 set is needing resists from scs boots and 1 fcr ring. and its really quite ez to get close to max resists if going mf/res scs with mf/resist boots, fcr ring, for your x3 set. I suppose full tals is quite simple and easy. but i dont ever wish to go backwards and play cold as apposed to light. 3x tals > full
do you play on useast? lets crush some monsters
Nice comparison. Btw: you missed a rare amulet at 9:23 o_0.
not missed, intentionally left because when you farm as much as he has you know that you don't need whatever that was.
I got tals amulet from nightmare Duriel on my first sp play through.
But are you maintaining consistency?
I would love to see how these setups work on P7.
Guys, i'm new at Diablo2, can some1 answer me about "add lightning/fire/cold/poison dmg can increase lightning/fire/cold/poison spell dmg (like sorc's lightning/cold skill), or just effect on hit striking (barba). Tks for reading
They do not add to your spell damage
@@jhondoe6211 Arh shit. Tks bro, i need to clean my inventory
I dont know what youre talking about. If youre talking about the %elemental dmage on the gear set, yes it boosts spells.
What's the 3 piece set though: armor, wand and belt?
Good consistency, bro
I feel you should have run Um runes in occy and shako.
Did a lot of testing between both myself, and found 3piece tals to be best for p1 farming, and full tals to be better for anything p3 and up. My setups almost identical to yours but I instead of magefist/2 soj I use chancies and 2 10fcr/15mf/dual res rare rings to maintain the 105 fcr
@dbrunskii question bro. Can the best items in single player drop in players 1 or do i have to do players 8 to get a chance to get them?
Yes , they can. I even have found more cool stuff at p1 than anything else
@@TheShmrsh i have too but im talking about the end-game items like windforce or tyrael's might. Ive been farming at players 1 and ive noticed the drops are just repeating. Ive gotten some items like 10x already.
@@redgranger7377 its because overall chance for repetitive drop is high, if you cranck players diff up you'll probably will just have more crap drops (:
How can you have so many ist runes? Do you duplicate them??
Imagine if you dropped Tyrael's Might on this guide video
So the only reason u say 3 piece is better is cause of more mf right? So now that we can corrupt tals and weopon to give us more mf on full tals set, would u say full tals is better in PoD?
Finally some love for blueberry blizzy! Cheers!
Forgot to mention that fcr breakpoint wasn't hit with last set up
Whats that popup message "X amount of Stone of Jordans sold to merchants"?
Clone Diablo
That’s a death fathom. DB has a death fathom. did you find this on stream?
off stream you will see where soon bud :)
Is the general consensus that Shaco + Occy + 3piece Tals is just the all-around best setup for most things?
Well it is better than a lot of other character sets out there!
Hey buddy, I was thinking of collecting 100 anni charms if you want them for a vid for identifying
I just recently made this video actually :) but thank you for offering!!!
Full Tal set is pretty strong when you want to p1.But id probably go for fathom build and get ARez instead of Ists and lose some MF to cap out on resists so you can farm some p7.
I usually use the 3 part set up with hoto I usually have close to called all res and around 500mf
That is some creepy fcr you have with full Tal set dude
Where is that Settings label floating above the health orb from?
im guessing it's because he's running the plugy mod
Every build works with Infinity, but which build and gears (full tals or 3 piece) is better to do things in hell? Frozen orb + fire ball? Blizz full? frozen orb + lightning? Can you tell us plz?
Thanks!
PS.: Please, remember that not everybody have all those skill charms on b.net ladder.
on lightning sorc with infinity Tal is very good for -15% res. And death phantom costs like 2 tal sets:/
good stuff thank you for the content
What is that yellow aura around him?
Is full tal rasha still good, I'm making a either blizzard, orb or light sorc and want to use the full set.
Did you watch the video at all lol?
DBRUNSKI BRO YOUR MOUTH IS SAYING "IST RUNE IN THE HELMET" BUT YOUR FACE IS SAYING U SHOULD PROLLY SWITCH THAT TO A RAL RUNE
Why using only orders without command?
Excuse me, how to get high-level runes. Currently there is only one #26
Love all info ain't played since classic 56k days no lod then d2r videos I'm back for week now
9:20 missed a +2 Dudu 20% fcr life res all amy
Only rare amulets from diablo baal and nihlathak can roll plus 2 to character skills. Also rare amulets are capped at 10 fcr :)
Dbrunski125 kek
is he doing it on NORMAL, NM or HELL ???
Woot love me some full tals action!!
Another badass video!
Go leafs!
no D2 resurrected vid?
Definitely occy and three piece tal set for me.
Light sorc with infy great levels of mf and decent kill speed as well.
Hoto*
Hoto
what shield?
Poison nova necro!! Wanna see you play with that char!!
Also can someone link me the build he's using is he a hybrid in lightning I see lightning and poison Nov
If I ever get a Tal's armor, I will replace my current res-jeweled Vipermagi with an Ist-ed Tal's to sacrifice FCR and +1 to All Skills in the honor of MF.
Don't waste an ist there, just use a perfect topaz
God I love that GLOW!
Weapon amu and belt isnt bettar ? And use viper 50 all rez or with fire facet
viper maji rolls 20 to 35 all res... you mean an um rune in a viper maji?
@@Dbrunski125 yeah with um rune sorry :) or facet
3 piece with hoto is the way to go until you get fathom and some resist small charms
Neither are necessary. Can get 550 mf with 10k blizzard with max res. 7%charms with res, don’t need tals, can get more dmg elsewhere and keep res and mf high.
The biggest problem with full tal set is the head piece .... too ugly
Definitely plus the stats on it are only decent for a melee based character.
That's what bugs me the most, what was the idea behind putting Life and Mana leech on a set dedicated entirely to a sorceress, +1-2 to elemental masteries, MF, FCR, even FHR would've worked perfectly. Also it's ugly.
It didnt even need that is was the life and mana leech that was just retarded. If they'd of gone with life and mana after each kill then it would of been a nice effective helm and contributed to the set better.
I think it would only be fair to compare these guys at a players 3 or higher, where not everything dies in one shot. If everything dies in one shot anyway then of course the highest MF set would take the cake.
Showing the difference on Baal waves would give much better picture. Ancient tunnels? Nah
why el sol dol lo and jah ith ber , very famous
full tals is ALWAYS better. that aura is drippin
Dont think it shows very well the difference on players1
What about Hoto
Hola que tal te sigo desde argentina quisiera que me recomiendes un lugar para sacar runas altas juego 1.14.
So you just play single player? Not on battlenet?
@Jim Bob's Arcade plug helps?? What u mean lol
@Jim Bob's Arcade cause im wondering how he has that big stash and stuff hahs
Full Tal deals more damage and is safer to play, good balance between resistance, damage, skill and MF, 3 piece Tal wit Oculus and Shako gives higher MF
True, but since the mf curve tapers off hard after 300-400mf it really isn't a big difference. And you can still use alibaba+rhyme for additional mf when you killing bosses.
IDK TBH
I prefer to use Hoto and Shako.
So confused how full tals is stronger than a +3 all skill wand or hoto and a shako
You lost 10 fcr on the last setup, too. Went to 95. Thanks, for the video! Don't do Twitch. Missed your latest finds.
Got 10+ pcs of every single class set armor, but not a single Tal armor.
That's unlucky, the armour should show up relatively often. I never found the amulet.
keep going you will get it!!
yea, kinda hard to believe after 100's of Diablo/Baal runs and probably into 1000's of Tunnel runs. it's just sad it's most important item to get right now for me and by the looks of it i'll probably quit before i get it.
Armor dropped after 530 AT runs. 322mf
So I been using full tals and swapping out my hoto and shako. I just don't get why it's so much stronger. I'm about to sell my shako and Hoto like Jesus I'm wrecking with full tals still got like 330% mf and f
Max resists
Everything I read is that 300 to 350 is the sweet spot for MF.....that when you go over 350 it's not really going to change the unique drops too much....I guess....I don't know
I have used 4 set bonus on light sorc. Orb is much better than hoto
Is this video single player?
single player plugy mod