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Just for the record. Quebec has more fans at games for non NHL teams than some of the actual NHL teams.
That's a very good point. Raw population does not mean a city is a good hockey market. You can have a population of over 5 million in a teams' draw area, but if only 1% of them even care casually about hockey, then you're looking at a true fan base of only 50,000 people to draw from. On the other hand, if a much smaller city, of say 500,000 can get around half of their population at least casually interested in their team, you only ever need a small fraction of that base to be engaged by attending games in person, buying merchandise or following the games on TV/streaming/VoD services to have a robust fanbase filling your arena up and being highly attractive to sponsors and advertisers.
Sometimes a huge megapolis can be a hidden small market team and a small city can be a hidden big market. It's all about how many of the people care.
@Seriously_Unserious well said. I'm canadian living in London uk and always wonder why it doesnt work here. There is some great European hockey markets over here and yet the UK just "can't be bothered". After all it was invented and first played here. Then I look at the deserts of the US and see millions of dollars thrown into teams...
Just amazes me. All most people can say over here is "its just not cold enough for us here to enjoy hockey" which clearly is not the answer at all.
@@Leafs1 uhm, hockey was invented and first played in Canada, as an ice variant of a native game that's the forerunner of modern lacrosse.
So if anything, hockey traces back to the native peoples of Canada.
I definitely can't argue that point that city has been hockey mad crazy longer then I've been alive and when the Nords came into the wha and then the nhl there fan base just got bigger so I have absolutely no doubt they will have major fan base support for there nords the only person stopping them coming back is that anti American judgemental Hypocrite butthead oppps sorry bettmen !!
Its because there ´s nothing to support like team
Bring back the Whalers!
Hard yes
coolest uniform ever.
Yes! I said the same.
Harshford is would need a lot of local buy in to clean up the city near the arena. Kinda the way Newark did for the Devils. Location near transportation is key
@@matthewcarlton5693 You can always get Whalers Jerseys at Hurricanes games. The team may have moved but the Whalers heritage is still pretty strong.
If it isn't Quebec Nordiques coming back, I really don't care. Quebec deserves a team more than anyone.
Oh OUI.
First mistake they shouldn't have left in 1995 shame on them
Definitely! Why put a NHL franchise in Oklahoma or Utah ? It's going to be another Arizona Coyotes or San José Sharks.
abso - definitely !!!
@@tudormiller887 Really like Vegas. Winnipeg doesn't support their team but Canada should get another team. Makes zero sense for the NHL
I'm American, but I still want a new Canadian team. They are all pretty mid. Quebec would be nice to bring back.
We do not have many major cities. Halifax maybe could
Quebec would be a good pick to come back
The lack of attendance in Winnipeg means that will never happen.
@@mr.brenman2132québec city definitely would get more fans on a daily basis than winnipeg
@@TheNmecod That's not generating new fans for the NHL.
Quebec or Houston would have some nice rivalry games.
Houston vs Dallas
Quebec and Montreal
@@MiCh-vj9vlCanada is never getting another NHL team.
@@mr.brenman2132unfortunately your probably right
@@mr.brenman2132 we're lucky we even got the Jets back!
I believe Milwaukee would be a great rivalry market area and they already have an AHL team that currently is not in contract with a NHL team.
Is it still the Milwaukee Admirals or are you on to a different team. I know the Admirals as they were once the farm team for the Canucks, back in the 90s.
@@Seriously_Unserious it is still the Admirals and they are the farm team for the Nashville Predators now.
@@Seriously_Unserious wrong admirals... I believe you are talking about Norfolk Admirals. MKE has been associated with the Nashville predators since they started in the late 90s.
@@erict5234 No, I AM talking about the MILWAUKEE Admirals. They were the Canucks farm team in the EARLY 90s.
As a man who lives in Milwaukee i would love to see this. Although sadly i feel the NHL is trying to grow new hockey markets instead of expanding on existing ones. But a team here would make great rivalries with both chicago and minnesota that the league could profit off of.
My choice would be for Quebec as an NHL exspansion team.They have the history and fan base to support a team.
quebeco pulled out when the fee was 500 million
Because of so many teams in the league they might only play 2 games a season against Montreal not enough for a rivalry
Things have gotten a lot more nasty politically since the Nordiques departed. If they returned I can imagine many more players would pull an Eric Lindros. And be perfectly justified.
Quebec is like Winnipeg - it is the NHL’s emergency backup plan for when the financial problems of one of the many failing American teams gets too big to hide/
As much as I would love to see three teams in Canada I don't think that they would get an expansion team. I mean a billion dollars for an arena and billion for expansion fee means that they have to have at least 3 billion to invest and operate in a team to even be considered as an option. I can see the NHL getting to 36 teams maybe 40 teams over time.
Instead of a 2nd Toronto team, give either Hamilton or even Niagara Falls (Canadian side) a team. It’d make for a much more interesting rivalry with Toronto now having 4 potential rivals (Ottawa, Montreal, and buffalo are currently the geographical rivals of the Leafs)
Or how about Winsor, which would create a cross down rivalry potential with Detroit, as well as provincial rivalry potential with Ottawa and Toronto?
I don't think Bettman would ever allow a hamilton team. Had the chance some time ago but just didn't happen.
Hamilton has a very rich hockey heritage with the AHL Bulldogs. Niagara is more of a seasonal area and is very close to the Sabres which is already the smallest market in the league-- splintering off fans from Buffalo doesn't help them at all.
Detroit is also a rival, it’s closer to us than Montreal.
Hamilton will never get an NHL franchise.
Cuz then Toronto would want one.
Sounds like your AI narrator blew a gasket at the 5:00 mark lol
I'd never heard ECHL pronounced as a word before.
lol, yeah, that was an AI stroke
Yep. AI fail 😜
Salt Lake City had hockey in the IHL long before the Utah Grizzlies,any body remember the Salt Lake City Golden Eagles ?
It looks like it's in the works, I got a name, this is the beehive state,
Salt Lake Stingers,
I do!
A current name, that Smith likes, is Utah Yetis. Incorporating ties to the UofU and BYU 😂
I remember the Silver Eagles as the minor league team for my California Golden Seals.
I came here for this. I was at the final game when the "Boycott Miller, the Eagle Killer" T-shirts were being sold across the street.
I would love to see the name Eagles return.
Need the Nordiques and the Whalers back. These are true ice hockey cities with real hockey tradition and support.
And Atlanta thrashers
@@damienchance2622 Atlanta Mistakes*
Atlanta Dumpster Fires*
Atlanta Nobody Cares*
Fun fact: the Houston Aeros of the WHA had the best attendance of any US based team. In fact when the NHL & WHA merged many believed that Huston was going to join the NHL. The only reason why they didn’t join was because up to that point the few southern locations that the NHL had tried weren’t doing that well so they decided to go with the more traditional hockey market team (Hartford).
Personally I don’t think Houston would be a problem at all. They’ve had 2 separate hockey teams in the past and both of them did very well attendance wise. Not to mention that Tillman Fertitta (current owner of the Houston Rockets) has made it very clear that he wants to bring an NHL team to Houston. Also add in that you would have an instant rivalry with Dallas and I don’t see any real issue.
I agree, it would be a blast. I think the games against Dallas would be great. Also, wouldn’t it be neat to see the Houston Aeros play the Winnipeg Jets and Edmonton Oilers again?
Cleveland, Milwaukee and Cincinnati have really strong hockey history. These cities are very supportive of their existing major league teams teams, even when they are not doing well. I know these cities don’t seem like the flashiest additions but I’m confident that they would be successful.
cleveland and cinci are in ohio and we dont need nor does anyone want another ohio team so pass on that, Indiana or wisconsin those are states that would have decent markets and more over it would give Detroit, chicago and columbus a new rival as theyd be in close proximity to eachother also Wisconsin just makes a lot of sense its a hockey state theyd have an easy time creating a market which is good for the NHL. Indiana would have a harder time creating a fan base but the markets their i think thats another good state to go with and as it stands you see a mix of fan bases in both states because they dont have a team
@@futuredirector23 Cleveland had an NHL Franchise called the Barons
@robertyoung3992 and how did that work out? 2 years and folded?
I prefer Milwaukee
Indy as well.
Bring the Nordiques back in the nhl !!!!!!!! Allez Québc !
Never
It's spelled QUEBEC.
@@spacemansports4129 Oh OUI. Quebec.
Ryan Smith and his company just formally requested an expansion team in Salt lake city with the NHL.
Hockey in the area goes back further than the Grizzlies to the Salt lake golden eagles in the 1980's. Salt lake also hosted the 2002 Winter Olympics and it looks like they are the favorite to be awarded the 2034 Winter Olympics and again host the USA hockey team.
I'd say just relocate teams rather than expand. Move the Coyotes there. It's not like it's that far away. Literally just move 1 state up and divisions could stay intact. SLC makes more sense to have a hockey team than Phoenix does that's for sure
Just attended a Grizzlies game. Nearly a full house. Utah can support a franchise. My bet is on a relocation.
i don't follow hockey very much but if they bring a team to SLC i'd get into it for sure
Do you have 20,000 people eager to buy season tickets years after year after year for thousands of dineros?
Somebody needs to do their history on the Salt Lake Golden Eagles, where we were packing the old Salt Palace to the gills in the REAL CHL! We had 10,000 plus in the building! Bring an NHL team to SLC, and they will come!
I want the Hartford Whalers back. I know it's unlikely, but I can dream, lol.
If we can't have em back then tell Carolina to stop wearing their jerseys. It's insulting they wanna "honor" the Whalers name and legacy yet the minute they up and moved they took the retired numbers down and put em back in circulation. Double standards eh?
@@41Brother2Stop living in the past this is 2024 you always have your Whalers jerseys
@@michaelleroy9281 Tell the Hurricanes to stop then, since they're the only team who wears the jerseys from what they used to be for some cheap cash grab...
team number 33??? Jesus. I remember when i thought we got to 30 and they would put a limit on it. Now the more teams they make, the more they water the league down and ensure some teams will never ice a winning team for 20+ years.
God, people are still going on about watering the league down. It wasn't true in the 90s expansion and it isn't true now.
I guess Vegas doesn’t count. 32 teams are not the reason Toronto has gone 56 years without a Cup. Only one team caused that.
I'm would have 34 teams in the NHL
@@damienchance2622 That's true. You are would have 34 teams in the NHL. That's how I've always thought of you.
NHL should’ve just stayed at 30
I heard Minnesota is looking for an NHL team
That's just a Wild rumor
@@Seriously_Unserious I heard you're looking for 15 minutes of fame
@@michaelleroy9281 ironic joke, as I'm writing my debut novel, so 15 minutes of fame would be helpful in improving awareness of it and ensuring more people read it. LOL
If okc gets a team, i'm thinking aviators or outlaws. If atlanta gets a team, they'll have a hard time finding a name because i believe the jets still owns that name. For slc, the name i like is the blizzard. I'd like to see quebec get a team. It'd be awesome to see a montreal/quebec rivalry heating up again.
if altanta gets a team, i think all of the remaining Thrasher fans will want the name Thrashers again, including myself! But If the name "Thrashers" doesn’t work out, I think the "Georgia Raptors" could be a great name and something new for the league!
This name comes from a known Georgia cryptid known as the Georgia Raptor. In 2008, an 18-year-old and his grandfather saw an unknown creature while hunting one night. They claimed it resembled a velociraptor, like the ones in the Jurassic Park movies. A new arena they are planing to build for a potential NHL team is in a suburb of Atlanta that is about 45 minutes away from downtown so including the name of the state instead of the capital city could make more sense.
As an example, the Florida Panthers are based in Miami and the other professional teams there are called the Miami Marlins, Heat, and Dolphins. Even though the name "Raptors" is different than the Flames and Thrashers, it still shares the bird-theme name for the other professional sports in Atlanta such as the Falcons, Hawks, and Thrashers when they had their last name...The word Raptor means “Bird of Prey” and velociraptors have many traits that are found in modern-day birds according to the Theory of Evolution. That’s why I think the name, Georgia Raptors could be great name if the Thrashers name doesn’t work out.
The Jets had to buy the rights to their name from the Coyotes who still owned the rights to the name, and if Quebec City got a 2nd chance team, and wanted to revive the Nordiques, they'd have to buy the name and logo from the Avalanche, who still own the rights to that too. But it can be done, if the current owners of those IPs are willing to sell.
@@cameronvandevelde4186
Sounds great, but doesn't toronto use the "raptors" name?
@@jwbogacki yeah they do but it doesn’t matter. There is the name Panthers in the NHL and in the NFL, Carolina Panthers
@@cameronvandevelde4186 I know that, but i meant they don't go by the same type of raptor you described.
Salt Lake City is substantially bigger than the 1.26m stated. The Wasatch Front metro region of SLC, Ogden & Provo is 2.8 million and is the 29th largest media market is much better than stated.
It is also not the western plains.
Quebec deserves there nhl team back!! If it wasn't for the ridiculously high contracts in the early 90s going up way to fast they would have won there first Stanley cup b4 moving to Denver a yr later that city has the state or the art arena and deep pocket investors and a very serious die hard loyal fan base there old/new team will be a hugh success again but I doubt mr.anti canadain buthead (bettmen) will allow another canadain city to have an nhl team back as long as he's commissioner of the nhl so good luck Quebec im rotting for u but im not hopeful or holding my breath anytime soon 😢!!
Why was my taxpayer money spent to build an arena in Quebec City when the likelihood is that the NHL will go to other cities first. By the time Quebec City ever gets a team (and that's the operative word "ever") this arena will need millions in upgrades-and guess who's going to pay for that?? An arena was built in Hamilton in the belief that an NHL team would soon be coming--and guess what---they're still waiting
U can thank buthead for that he did say if the city of ever build a bran new nhl size Arena state of the art he said yrs back that we would award Quebec city an nhl team and then he lied after cuz I seriously don't think he expected that city to actually get the funding to build a new 1 then he stabs Quebec city councils and hockey fans in the back that there seriously showed me just how anti canadain he is its a big reason its shocked when he awarded Winnipeg there jets back i strongly believe if he had his way there would absolutely be no canadain nhl teams left in the nhl thats the way I feel about his thinking about canadain hockey in the nhl and I tell u now as long as he's still commissioner of the nhl no canadain teams will EVER ever win r Stanley cup again and bring it back home to Canada where it belongs !!!!!
In the 90s hockey in Oklahoma was HUGE!! Packed barn every night in the downtown OKC arena. And a tight rivalry with the Tulsa team! Wish to see it back one day!
A third team for Atlanta only means an 8th Canadian team in the years following as all teams in Atlanta die and leave for north of the border.
Atlanta only failed because of ownership. When the team peaks at getting swept in the first round of its only playoff appearance in its entire existence, then you can't blame the fans for not showing up.
I don’t think a small market like SLC or OKC would support both an NBA team and an NHL team because their seasons overlap.
@@gabetalks9275 Well said😃😃
No it will do great because of where the arena is going to be placed. They also are going to do what the Braves did an built a entertainment district around it. If they put the arena where they are talking about and have good ownership the fans will come. Still would like to see Quebec City get another team first though. But I think Atlanta and Salt Lake are going to be the expansion teams.
@@gabetalks9275band wagon jumping fans is not a loyal fanbase. So yes, you can blame the fans. Edmonton oilers suffered when salaries were sky high and and during the "decade of darkness". We have a rabid fan base that keeps coming back, you do not.
Quebec or Hartford in my opinion could be potentially a reality.
I agree. Bettman is hell bent on adding more southern cities despite the rock solid desire and support available in Quebec. Hartford is more of a long shot as there is no arena in place. A new team would have to play in the XL Center/Hartford Civic Center while a new one is built. The Governor believes there is financial backing but it's still a tough sell, especially to Boston who would have to agree for a second time to admit a Hartford team.
Bettman's persistence in having teams in southern cities is mind-boggling. The interest in the sport pales in comparison to the interest in the northern cities and Canada. There's a reason why majority of US born players are coming out of places like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Massachusetts as opposed to say Texas and Florida. Let the south stick to football, baseball and basketball. Put hockey teams in places that actually make sense. Quebec City, Hartford, Milwaukee, Portland, even Salt Lake City would be a good choice
@toddgelineau6536 I'm from hartford and agree with most of your points, but Boston can't solely block Hartford from pursuing a team. The board of governors can overwhelming decline the move tho
@@toddgelineau6536 Yes. Look at the success in Arizona! LOL!
No it isn't you haven't heard a damn thing 32 teams is enough
When you mentioned a 2nd Toronto team, I thought of that before and was convinced that it would work. But; I think Hamilton would be even better.
Bingo! The arena is there and it would cover the Kit-Wat London St Cath/Niagara Fanbase better than Buffalo or Toronto could!
@@stickynorth both Buffalo and Toronto would veto the notion of a Hamilton Franchise
Bringing back the Québec Nordiques would be great. Why not doing the same with the Hartford Whalers? Or establishing a second franchise in Montréal like the historic Maroons or Wanderers? Pretty unrealistic of course, but a charming idea.
If the Nordiques come back, the Whalers have to come back too. This is coming from a 3rd-generation Quebecois-American born and raised in Connecticut.
It'd be hard for them to bring back the Whalers as I'm pretty sure the name and IP for it are still owned by the Carolina Hurricanes (the former Hartford Whalers) who still regularly host Whalers nights where the team wears the Whalers uniform.
@CaptCovfefe515 If the Nordiques came back , because of so many teams in the league they might only play 2 games a season against Montreal not enough for a rivalry
@@CaptCovfefe515 Bring them both back and throw in the Houston Aeros and Minnesota Fighting Saints. WHA pride!
I thought that when the the Nordiques left town, it was a shame. Atlanta just is not going to support a hockey team. This thing about finding a spot for an arena so the fans will support a team is b.s. What was the excuse when the Flames left for Calgary (my team!). ..... Anyhow, , the Nordiques and Whalers should be brought back. If there is a problem with the legalities of the Whalers name , image, likeness....all that can be worked out. Bring back the Nordiques and Whalers!
Quebec better be included this time.
Wasn't expecting to see okc on this list but YES! We still love hockey here! Not a one sport town like i've read elsewhere, not everyone is into basketball. I like the OKC Outlaws idea.
I would like to have both Tulsa and OKC in the NHL teams
A little known fact among fans is that there is a rule in the NHL charter that prohibits expansion in another teams market without first getting permission from the existing team. Quebec can be admitted because a team was already established there with permission from Montreal. Toronto will never have a second team because the Leafs wont give permission for another team in Ontario. The only reason Ottawa is in is the NHL is because of a promise by the NHL when they left in the early 1900's that they be able to return one day. One team per province or state unless the team being infringed on gives their permission.
The rule is 50 miles or 80 km. Ottawa is far from Toronto and Quebec City is far from Montreal so they can’t block it. They can vote against it but if majority of owners want it then a team can locate to London Ontario or KWL and Toronto couldn’t block it. But that would never happen.
@@EdV-et6qm like i said...montreal gave permission to allow Quebec in. So since they already had an nhl team they dont have to ask permission again. Ottawa wasnt even in the running for a expansion franchise. They were not on any expansion list at the time. They got in because of a promise made by the NHL back when the old Ottawa Senators left the NHL. They asked to one day return to the NHL and the NHL promised them they could return. London or the other one you mentioned would have to meet the population count as well as arena requirements. I believe the population count has to be a million people minimum. Anything less and the franchise would fail.
Funny that Quebec City and Winnipeg don’t have a million people. As for that Ottawa promise I don’t think a 1920’s verbal promise works in the 90’s anymore. No legal footing would apply. They got in based on all the regular criteria that Tampa, Nashville, Columbus etc got in.
@@EdV-et6qm Ottawa got in on a promise...they werent in on any expansion list. And yes a promise in the 20's is still valid...at least in the eyes of a court. I already mentioned that Quebec had a place already because they got permission from montreal in the negotiations for the NHL-WHA merger. Interesting that you mentioned Quebec and Winnipeg since they came from that merger and none of the criteria for expansion was applied to them.
Add 4 teams at once. 36 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6. Lots of options there.
Milwaukee and Baltimore seem like some good options too... Wisconsin generates a lot of NHL players...
It's almost insulting that a hockey crazed state like Milwaukee doesn't have an NHL team yet Arizona does.....who tf cares about hockey in Arizona besides Bettman?
Amanda Kessel and her NHL brother are from Wisconsin although they went to college out of state.
why the fuck would anyone want a team in the one of the worst cities in the country, baltimore is crime ridden and just disgusting if you put an NHL team in that city it would last maybe a year before it would need to move. theirs no market their and its full of liberals who dont watch hockey
@@41Brother2 What's insulting is Milwaukee is stuck with the AHL affiliate of a team in Nashville of all places. It SHOULD be the other way around!
If is doesn't get below freezing, there shouldn't be an NHL team there.
“Those who don’t learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.” Multiple teams already existed in Toronto, Montreal, and Atlanta, enough said. If anything, would love to see Quebec and Hartford get teams, but more than 32 teams is over saturation. After expansion, it will expand the playoff participants which the earlier rounds will go down hill followed by the teams being drained by the time they reach the Finals. No more expansion.
I agree 100%. Plus I hate the fact that rival teams only play each other four times in the regular season.
The worst part is how the talent pool becomes diluted. To watch goons injuring star players is horrendous. The repeated revolving door of teams moving from city to city & back should show how betman has destroyed the n.h.l.
32 teams is more than enough and if I'm being honest far too many. I don't think I'll ever get the reasoning for putting teams in the sun belt and taking teams out of beloved hockey markets like Quebec City, Hartford and Minnesota (before they got the Wild) and passing up on much better choices for the sport like Milwaukee, Cleveland, Halifax, Hamilton, and maybe Portland to put teams in friggin Florida, Texas and Arizona. Given the geographical interest level of the sport more so than any of the other big 4, the NHL would have been better as a smaller league
@@41Brother2 funny you noticed that. I noticed there is only 1 n.b.a. team in Canada.
@@mikelight495 Used to be 2 but for some dumb reason the Grizzlies up and left Vancouver for Memphis, keeping the name in the process. Because Memphis is totally known for its grizzly bear population.....🙄
OOTAH! Gotta love that AI narration.
Ugh, most of the nickname suggestions.
Nah. 32 teams is perfect. Adding a couple more teams would just make alignment a nitemare.
Nah..I rather have 4 new NHL teams in the future
Houston and Fertita will have their team!
Rangers fan here, would love to see the return of the Nordiques. I live in Atlanta, so a rebirth of the Thrashers would also be great so I can go to NHL games again.
32 teams is enough some teams only play each other twice a year now
That's the last team the Nordiques played, the Rangers in the first round of the playoffs in 1995
I would like to see the thrashers and nordiques coming back to the NHL
That would be cool
No chance for Atlanta. It not mismanagement it is complete disinterest.
As for PHx have northerner. I remind you of the late Jack Kent Cooke owner of the LA kings. “ there are 700k former Canadians living in LA. I didn’t realize they moved here to get away from hockey.”
Quebec should get a new franchise LONG before Fatlanta gets a third one.
slc is practically banging down the nhl's door to get in. Smyth has the $$$'s and arena. Should just move az. there. Perfect fit in central.
Hartford and Quebec maybe Sacramento
Sacramento?
When they were having neutral site games, there was a San José -- Montréal game at Sacremento.
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Glad you enjoyed it lol! hilarious work? idk if thats good or bad :P
How about the Houston Apollos?? Let's hang on to the space theme in this city. Apollos would be perfect for any NHL team in H-Town.
Just bring the Nordiques back, its the only thing i want
32 teams is enough
Nordiques and Whalers would do for me.
Atlanta, Houston, Quebec City & Salt Lake City.
36 teams - 6 divisions
Western Conference
Northwest - Vancouver, Seattle, Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota & Winnipeg
Pacific - Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose, Arizona, Vegas & Utah
Central - Colorado, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, St. Louis & Chicago
Eastern Conference
Northeast - Detroit, Buffalo, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal & Quebec
Metropolitan - New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, NY Rangers, NY Islanders & Boston
Atlantic - Columbus, Washington, Carolina, Atlanta, Tampa Bay & Florida
If Canada doesn’t get a team next, there be hell to pay !
Too many teams means less games between teams there will be no more rivalries in the NHL anymore if teams only play each other twice a year
I could see the NHL getting upto 36 teams in the next 25 years
maybe even 40
@@waynejohanson1083Way too many...
If not sooner
There will be no rivalries in the NHL if there were 36 teams less games between teams
That's too long to wait I rather 2 years to see 36 teams in the NHL
Columbus, GA, would be a good place. They have the River Dragons here. And they have a good following.
There's a -0% chance of that happening
People are always overlooking Hamilton because it's halfway between Toronto and Buffalo... But it does have its own NHL-class arena that is even getting a major reno and would greatly serve as the team of Southwestern Ontario from London to Kit-Wat and of course Hamilton to St. Catharine's-Niagara Falls... Otherwise I'd say the criteria should be somewhere in the Snow Belt and fast growing... Sorry Houston, Oklahoma City, Atlanta... Hello Salt Lake City, Portland, Saskatoon!
Some of these places might good for the PWHL as well.
Hamilton has been toughted as a city for expansion with a built in rivalry with Toronto.
Tigers to the front of the line please!
and Buffalo
Would love a team in Cincinnati. Unfortunatly the Mid Columbus Blue Jackets are too close
How about Cleveland.
@@waynejohanson1083 too close to Columbus as well
@@waynejohanson1083 Yeah What about Cleveland? how about those fabulous Barons from 1976-78? 32 teams is enough
@@michaelleroy9281 Plus they had the Crusaders in the WHA. I agree 32 teams is enough. You get too many teams and we will have a very watered down product. But you know it is all about money.
Halifax may not have the population typical of an nhl market but it deserves an nhl team I think we made a case for ourselves during the Halifax world juniors.
they can't even get an CFL team going, you think their worthy of an NHL team just because they can host a 2 week event every once in a while? please. Halifax barely supports the Moose as is except maybe if their having a good season. Sorry but Halifax does not deserve a team, not now, not any time in the near future.
2 NHL teams in Toronto would only mean twice the heartbreak. They go through enough with the constant failures of the Maple Leafs.
SLC seems to the most likely.
Eager owner with deep pockets? Check! Arena with almost NHL capacity now with plans for a replacement already in in the works? Check! Ever expanding market thanks to the natural population growth/potential fanbase of players in the Watasch Front due to Mormonism's naturally high birth rates? Check! Seems like a no-brainer at this point. Just move Phoenix north though... That makes more sense than trying to expand the league at this point...
Alaska, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Indiana & Kentucky should be considered.
For relocation, another expansion would be so stupid and unfair to every other team in the league, especially if Vegas and Seattle get spared from the draft again, that was such garbage. I can honestly not think about anything I hate the idea of more than another expansion. And Alaska is and should be a non option, way too far for teams to travel, and they would never be able to support a team with their population.
Alaska LOOOL. Ok let's consider Hawai and Puerto Rico
There WAS an A.H.L franchise in Kentucky at one point.
LMAO to the Bettman thumbnail 😂
Im thinking maybe Hartford, Quebec, Kansas City, Utah , Atlanta, Oakland and Possibly even San Antonio
Better off to ad a team in Hamilton than a second team in Toronto. Quebec would be a great market
Hamilton WILL never get a team Buffalo and Toronto will veto any idea of that
Winnipeg Jets does need a rival in that location, that can help out the NHL even more better, more rivals in Canada 🇨🇦 can really in popularity for NHL even more
But where? Regina? Saskatoon? Are either of those cities anywhere near NHL ready? Nothing else exists near Winnipeg even remotely close to AHL tier, let alone NHL.
@@Seriously_Unserious Saskatchewan will never get an NHL team. This isn't 1983! The province doesn't even have a city among the top 15 largest in Canada!
32 teams in enough they have a rivalry with the Minnesota Wild that is pretty good
The Jets should have a rivalry with the Edmonton Oilers they did back in the WHA and with the original Jets
@@michaelleroy9281 Those were different franchises though. The current Jets are the transplanted Atlanta Thrashers, while the Jets of that old rivalry are the transplanted Phoenix and then Arizona Coyotes.
I don't know if the 2 franchises continued their rivalry after the Jets moved and renamed, but the players for a time probably did carry on the hard feelings from their days in Winnipeg for a time at least.
Ya'Know we need a Team in the following canadien cities Halifax, Quebec needs their team back, Hamilton I think would be an excellent market, and I think the province of BC would benefit from a second team
Forget Hamilton, attempts have been made to locate a franchise there only to have Buffalo and Toronto nix the idea
How about Saskatoon?
More teams in Canada is a safer bet. I'm still surprised teams in the sun belt still survive. I'd think kids and adults wouldn't have much passion to attend when the teams are not winning. If they cant support a minor league team , dont consider and Saly Lake is too small with the 1st 15 miles , not sure if others 30 miles out would regularly commute. Toronto should have 2 , why does New York/+area have 3.. I'd add 1 in Quebec City , 1 in Montreal and 1 more in Toronto
I'm still furious that taxpayer money was spent building an NHL-caliber arena in Hamilton in the faint hope that the NHL would give an expansion team/move a team there. First of all Toronto and Buffalo would fight tooth and nail to stop it (as the Hamilton region is in both their respective geographic areas) and Hamilton would not support an NHL team for more than a few years before the "novelty" wore off (as it has with AHL and OHL teams in the past).
Screw another Toronto team, create a rivalry like the Nordiques did and make a team based from Ontario.
Icebox great video but before all that I'm sure the commissioner would want all other 32 teams to be healthy before such endeavors example Phoenix Carolina and I know they're not going anywhere but Buffalo is markets need to be healthy
Phoenix definitely needs to go someplace else. Bettman is just too stubborn to admit that he made a mistake. They have not done well there. They at least need to get an owner who will build a decent arena in an area that people will actually travel too.
To all of you saying "no" to Atlanta, don't make yourself look uneducated on why Atlanta lost its two teams. It had nothing to do with fan support and was completely on ownership, both times, just as it was on ownership in Seattle for the Supersonics leaving, or that it was on ownership in St. Louis for the Cardinals and Rams leaving.
Here's what actually happened.
The Flames left because the owner, named Tom Cousins, who owned Cousins Properties, a local commercial real estate company, began having financial problems in the late 1970s (after the Flames had been around about five seasons) when the Federal Reserve Bank raised interest rates. When this happened, other companies who wanted to build things were being denied loans, given the effects of higher interest rates. Cousins Properties could not acquire enough contracts, and thus not enough capital to keep it afloat. Tom Cousins wasn't a deep pocketed owner, and his company's stability was predicated on continuous building. So, in order to save the company, Cousins decided to sell his only asset that could provide him enough cash to prevent his company's insolvency. He sold the Flames. Since he needed a lot of money to save his development business, he sold the Flames to the highest bidder, just which happened to be an interested owner whose intention was to take the team to Calgary. Ted Turner wanted to buy them team, but because he owned two other teams, the Hawks and Braves, the NHL would not allow him to buy the team. There were other interested buyers, but because they did not offer as much, none of them were chosen for sale.
The Thrashers' story is a bit more complicated. In 1997, Atlanta was awarded a franchise. The owner was Ted Turner, under Turner Sports. At the time, he had recently sold the Braves, thus allowing him to own an NHL team (because he could only own two teams). However, Turner sold the team, along with his other sports assets, the Atlanta Hawks and Philips Arena in earlier 1999, even before the Thrashers played their first game. He sold them to Time Warner. About a year after the sale, Time Warner merged with AOL (America Online), the largest internet service in America at the time. I don't know how old you are, but they offered dial-up Internet. Here is the issue with that. It wasn't but about two years into the sale that AOL-Time Warner were losing money because people were dropping dial-up Internet rapidly for cable Internet. AOL did not transition quick enough to outcompete competitors, such as Comcast. As a result, AOL-Time Warner became shaky as a company. In order to secure some capital to make them more profitable, as well as to mitigate losses, the company decided to sell its sports teams. Another reason they did so was because with the company's fledgling status, it threatened the stability of both the Thrashers and the Hawks at the time and their long time success. If they had sold them to about any other buyer, the Thrashers would still be in Atlanta. However, they sold them to a group who was only interested in the Atlanta Hawks. The reluctantly bought the Thrashers only because it was the only way for them to get what they wanted, the Atlanta Hawks. From the start, this ownership group, known as Atlanta Spirit Group, a group of businessmen from different cities around the country, wanted to get rid of the Thrashers. In fact, they were ready to sell the moment they acquired the team. What prevented them from doing so is that there were two owners within the group who did want the Thrashers. Mind you, these two owners represented only about a fifth of the owners, as there were at least ten of them. Atlanta Spirit Group, despite the two owners' objections were about to put the team up for sale, but the sale did not happen because the owners who wanted the Thrashers filed a lawsuit against the other owners. For the next six or seven years, the owners were suing one another. The lawsuits cost the ownership group a huge amount of money, making them unprofitable. What's more, they mismanaged their money and handed out huge, unheard of contracts for certain players on the Hawks. This made them even more unstable as an ownership group and made them lose more money. This resulted in the Thrashers selling off most of their good to decent players, and when the ownership group made it known that they did not care about the team, many of the fans lost interest. Even with all this going on, the Thrashers never finished last in attendance. Speculations regarding the owners selling the team crescendoed after the courts decried that that the owners could sell the team. As a result, attendance plummeted in the second half of the last season, as people figured that they were trying to move the team out of Atlanta, and many realized that the owners did not care about the team. During Atlanta Spirit's tenure of owning the Thrashers, they hardly even marketed the team. You could hardly find a billboard advertising for them around the metro area, but you sure saw plenty of Atlanta Hawks billboards, hundreds in fact. This is because Atlanta Spirit wanted to tank the team by lowering the maximum amount of fans who attended games to justify a reason to sell them when they would be allowed to sell the team.
Atlanta Spirit did not take seriously any sales to interested parties who would keep the team in Atlanta. Tom Glavine wanted to own the team, but they denied him. There were other groups who came forward, but when they saw the stipulations on the sale, they balked. You see, Atlanta Spirit Group never intended to keep the team here in Atlanta. They even wanted the team out of their arena. One of the owners was later even outspoken and upset that during the Thrashers stay they outsold the Hawks most seasons and that the Thrashers tended to attract a lot of white suburbanites that the Hawks had trouble attracting. Stipulations for the sale were that the new owner could not receive any revenue on concessions or parking, and they had to pay an exorbitant arena use fee to Atlanta Spirit Group. These stipulations were so outrageous that no owner who wanted to keep the team in Atlanta, at Philips Arena, the only Atlanta arena the NHL at the time said was big enough for the team to play in. Thus, in essence, Atlanta Spirit Group forced the team out with nowhere to play. Their stipulations for sale made it where no one would risk such a situation, as that would bankrupt any team. And since the NHL said they could play nowhere else, Atlanta was left with a situation whereby if the team stayed, they'd have to play in Philips Arena and the owner would take huge losses by these sale stipulations. As a result, no one bought the team, and since True North Sports had just been denied the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes, the former Winnipeg Jets, given Glendale agreeing to fund the Coyotes, they then looked to Atlanta and took advantage of the situation, a situation not brought on by the fans but a crooked ownership group.
As an Atlanta native I’d love to see Atlanta get another shot at a new NHL team after the failures of the last 2 franchises. It would make for some fun, exciting, and entertaining rivalries in the South since Nashville, Carolina, Tampa, and Florida are nearby
A THIRD failure for your market?
I loved the Flames, and you notice how Calgary's alternate captain's "A" is in the shape for the Altanta's old crest?...Classy touch IMHO.
But the Thrashers were a joke.
Houston would be the best market. Portland, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Kansas City and Sacramento next. Wild Cards would be OKC and Hampton Roads (Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News).
Hampton Roads is difficult. The Norfolk Admirals had a tough time there. I don't see it working. The Caps are also looking to move into Virginia-- albeit much further north. Between the NHL and the AHL, there's a plethora of hockey teams in California already. I don't see Kansas City or OKC being large enough, with both having trouble supporting NHL/AHL teams in the past. Placing another team in Atlanta would be a slap in the face to Quebec if they were not also given a franchise.
@@toddgelineau6536 The Admirals have a tough time because they play abysmally. The Atlantic coast is a tough market in general and if you don't win, people will not show up. You can't be 6th or 7th in your ECHL conference every year and expect people to continually show up for losing games and seasons. I've been to Admirals games and I usually just get drunk as shit because there's nothing better to do. Meanwhile when I go to a Canes game for the NHL, they're regularly sold out and and there's lots to cheer for, but if you went to a Canes game between 2008 and 2015 it would look much the same as an Admrials arena, empty and devoid of fans because no one has time to pay attention to a losing team.
@@aeronothis5420 I was referring to the former AHL Admirals. Like Hartford , Quebec, Kansas City, etc. Bettman despises small markets in cold weather climates. Not gonna happen any time soon.
@@toddgelineau6536 you literally said the Norfolk Admirals... They are no longer AHL they are in the ECHL but it's still the same team man.
@@aeronothis5420 man it’s not. The franchise moved to San Diego to be closer to their parent Anaheim Ducks. The ECHL Bakersfield Condors was relocated to Norfolk. The original name and logo of the AHL Admirals was retained in Norfolk and transferred to the new ECHL franchise.
No to atlanta expansion, id rather see a team in utah or okc
I think Atlanta, Halifax, OKC, Quebec, Victoria, Indianapolis, maybe Saskatoon although they might not have the fan base, and basically everything else you mentioned are all good ideas
32 teams is enough
OKC team should be the Bombers, logo could be a P-47 or B-2 stealth. Both very cool planes to fit their aviation theme.
Kansas City Stealth Bombers would also work.
That would be a very bad idea, OKC experience a tragedy in 1995 the Oklahoma City bombing which was the worst terrorist attacking before 9/11
If atlanta gets another team, I think all of the remaining Thrasher fans will want the name Thrashers again, including myself! But If the name "Thrashers" doesn’t work out, I think the "Georgia Raptors" could be a great name and something new for the league! This name comes from a known Georgia cryptid known as the Georgia Raptor. In 2008, an 18-year-old and his grandfather saw an unknown creature while hunting one night. They claimed it resembled a velociraptor, like the ones in the Jurassic Park movies.
The new arena they are planing to build for a potential NHL team, known is The Gathering at South Forysth, is in a suburb of Atlanta that is about 45 minutes away from downtown so including the name of the state instead of the capital city could make more sense.
As an example, the Florida Panthers are based in Miami and the other professional teams there are called the Miami Marlins, Heat, and Dolphins. Even though the name "Raptors" is different than the Flames and Thrashers, it still shares the bird-theme name for the other professional sports in Atlanta such as the Falcons, Hawks, and Thrashers when they had their last name...The word Raptor means “Bird of Prey” and velociraptors have many traits that are found in modern-day birds according to the Theory of Evolution. That’s why I think the name, Georgia Raptors could be great name if the Thrashers name doesn’t work out.
As a Georgia native growing up with the Thrashers around, I really do think if Atlanta gets another team, it will 100% work! with Atlanta potentially getting a Brand New NHL Size Arena in the suburbs in the coming years and showing a strong interest in bringing the NHL Back, it is very clear they want a team and are taking a very similar approach to what the Braves did with their new stadium...the Atlanta Braves built a Brand New Stadium in the suburbs and it succeeded very well, even prior to their World Series Championship run so I think taking this similar approach for a potential NHL team in Atlanta can 100% work as well!
and for those saying that bringing a team back to Atlanta is Insanity, it certainly is NOT. The approach Atlanta is taking now to get another NHL team is vastly different than what they did when they tried it out with the Flames and then the Thrashers
Hmmm, the Toronto Raptors are already a pretty famous team.
@@oliverjackson5070 so what...you have the Carolina Panthers for NFL and the Florida Panthers for NHL currently....and the St. Louis Cardinals for the MLB and NFL at the exact same time for almost 30 years. the St.Louis Cardinals NFL team existed from 1960-1987 and St.Louis Cardinals MLB team existed from 1900-Present
NHL hockey has failed twice in Atlanta. Other than greed for the expansion fee why would the NHL want to go to a city that has rejected them twice before
Well, it's time to show a little more originality.@@cameronvandevelde4186
The main concern I have with yet another Atlanta team attempt is that 2 other teams have tried NHL hockey in Atlanta and both have failed. I'm very appreciative of Atlanta supplying Canada with the Calgary Flames (great rivalry with the Canucks starting in the 1989 playoffs), and the Winnipeg Jets 2.0.
Yes please, bring NHL team to my town, Helsinki!
Trust me, the travel would be ... you might say...
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Mennään Jokerit !
European Superleague! Only the largest European hockey markets! Helsinki, Stockholm, Prague, Zurich, etc.
Makes most sense to add 4 more teams, as difficult as that would be. 1 team per division keeps everything equal. I think Salt Lake City, Houston, Quebec and Altlanta are the likelyest to succeed. I think it's the most probable scenario for Quebec to get a team as they would give the Atlantic Division a team while Atlanta could be in the Metropolitan Division. Hartford could be a possibility for the Metro too. No way Canada gets another team without America getting at least 1 or more.
Atlanta Doesn't deserve another team.
Quebec City / Salt Lake City / Austin / Kansas City or Oklahoma City
If Atlanta can build a hockey arena near Truist Park in Cobb county they will be successfull. The fan base is here, has always been here.
There is a large mixed-use development proposal in south Forsyth County near Alpharetta to house a potential NHL team. The Forsyth County commissioners even earmarked $390 million towards the arena, IF the developers can secure an NHL franchise.
Hell Yeah😀😀
I'm all for that .Due 2 the fact I live 5.1 miles from Truist Park .
2 failed attempts is enough for you guys.
@@edwardchan7720 Agree 100%.
The Flames were a pretty good team, can't say that for the Thrashers, they were God awful.
ATLANTA is going to happen. Be ready
Yes it will happen, especially if The Gathering at South Forysth project gets approved and they started building. it will only be a matter of time before Atlanta gets another team whether if people like that or not. The Atlanta market is too big to ignore, they are planning to build a brand new NHL size arena right smack in the dead center of Georgia's Hockey Hub and also where like 85-90% of Thrashers fans lived when they had their team, and if have a strong interest in coming back (which they do), it will last.
Clearly, the City of Chicago didn't work for NBA back in the day....but then the NBA gave them another team not even 5 years after Chicago lost their 2nd NBA team and the third NBA team in the City of Chicago is the Bulls and have been there ever since...So if this has happened in Sports History once before, it can certainly happen again and be successful
@@cameronvandevelde4186 Great point, Cameron. I look forward to going to these games. Hopefully it won't be too long. We've already waited 13 years since the Thrashers left on account of Atlanta Spirit Group, LLC.
@@cameronvandevelde4186 That's probably the only thing that could make NHL work in Atlanta. And if that still doesn't work, hey, the 3rd Atlanta team can always move to Quebec City and become the Nordiques 2.0, following in the footsteps of the Flames and Thrashers.
The Salt Lake Valley has 1.25 Million, but if you expand it to include the entire wasatch front that's 2.25 million. You could reliably count on that population for attendance as the Jazz draw on the same population.
Quebec, Portland, Salt Lake City, Houston, or Milwaukee really need an expansion franchise, but bringing back cities like Hamilton, Hartford, Saskatoon and Atlanta would also make sense too
Atlanta 2 strikes you're out. imo
Clearly, the City of Chicago didn't work for NBA, as they lost 2 teams back in the day....but then the NBA granted them a 3rd team, just 3 years after Chicago lost their 2nd NBA team and the third NBA team in the City of Chicago is the Bulls and have been there ever since so....
Stupid argument since both teams left on account of ownership, not fan support.
Or Atlanta gets a team to eventually become the new Quebec Nordiques when they move to Canada! Atlanta can take the honour of being the Farm City for new NHL teams!
33+ is too many. Keep it at 32.
why?
@@icebox.hockey Because that would reduce the number of games teams play against each other, they talk about rivalries? hahahahaha, the Rangers and Islanders would be a rivalry anymore if they played each other only 2 times a year instead of 4
London Ontario deserves a team!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Quebec needs a team there are already hardcore Hockey fans.
The NHL will add two teams by 2035 and the cities are already determined 💯.. Kansas City and ???? Drum roll,,,,,,,, Welcome back Quebec Nordiques!!!
too many teams already
Hope the Quebec Nordiques are back in the NHL. So they can renewed their rivalry with the Montreal Canadiens..
That rivalry was awesome. Maybe the best the NHL ever had.
I'm a Habs fan and I remember that Good Friday back in 1984. It was the defining moment of a marvellous rivalry.
@@FischerFan I have that game on my I-Pod. It sure got nasty.
Couple of things
1> If the NHL expands to Atlanta again, it opens the opportunity to relocate the team to Quebec later Salt Lake team name - as an homage to their old .. IHL(?) team, they could be the Eagles or Golden Eagles
No way a team could work in Houston. My friend went to Texas last year and unless you were in Dallas no one know what the Stars were. He was looking around in small towns for Dallas Stars memorabilia and everyone looked at him like he was crazy, asking if he was talking about the Cowboys.
Hockey in Texas just never made sense to me. That's a football and baseball state
U are wrong on that! Plus Houstonians don't root for Dallas teams. I've traveled all over Texas and always see Dallas Stars stuff. Houston would easily work and the owner of the Houston Rockets NBA team Tillman Fertitta is worth Billions and he wants a team and he owns the Toyota Center.
@41Brother2 people said the same thing in Florida. It works fine in Tampa amd has been great in Dallas. Miami not so much.
Houston - no NHL team, no AHL team, no ECHL team (if they like hockey so much in Houston (7.1 million) wouldn't they have a team? Mexico City also has a large population with ZERO hockey teams.)
Kansas City - lost one NHL team (Kansas City Scouts), ECHL team (bottom 5 in attendance in the ECHL) where are the fans?
Atlanta - lost two NHL teams (Atlanta Flames, Atlanta Mistakes), ECHL team averages 41.3% capacity (4,900 fans)
Quebec City - averages 9,726 (in QMJHL) that's more than Arizona Coyotes and their AHL affiliate Tucson Roadrunners combined - 8,225. And they average over 18,000 a game in the playoffs. Quebec City - population 839,311 (7th largest city in Canada - and larger than Winnipeg - 834,678)
Portland - has an NHL arena (MODA), has a well supported WHL team, "Portland Rosebuds" competed for the Stanley Cup in 1916, and would be a natural rival to Seattle Kraken, there is only one professional team in Portland (NBA) the market is large and mostly untapped. Portland - population 2,511,612 (2020)
Milwaukee - has an NHL arena (Fiserv Forum), the Wisconsin badgers (NCAA) average over 10,000 fans per game, Wisconsin is top eight in hockey registration (20,975 hockey players enrolled - that is more than Ohio, or New Jersey, and Cleveland, and New Jersey are good hockey markets), a team in Milwaukee would also have the support of Madison, WI only an hour away (population of 680,796 in 2020), and a team in Milwaukee would be a natural rival for the Chicago Blackhawks (if there can be a team in Manhattan, NY, Hempstead, NY, and Newark, NJ you can have a team in Milwaukee, WI and Chicago, IL) the market is more than large enough for two hockey teams. Milwaukee - population 1,574,731 (2020)
Winnipeg has 800k people and does better than Phoenix, Arizona (6.1 million). The team has a better attendance than Arizona (even before Mullet Arena). A higher valuation than Arizona. And generates more income than Arizona (Arizona actually loses money for the league).
You can see the difference between "real" hockey markets and "large cities". Large cities are not necessarily good hockey markets.
In fact, the ONLY reason the original Winnipeg Jets left was due to not having an NHL worthy arena, and those 90s austerity governments being completely unwilling to build an arena, even when the Ottaway offered to build them one and foot the entire bill, Winnipeg just stalled until the money was spent on other projects. QC was much more of the same bullcrap. However, Quebec City seems to have grown up and has the world class indoor facilities for NHL hockey now at least. That political BS that cost both cities their original teams seems to reside with the Dodo birds now. Proof is that Winnipeg's doing great with their team now.
Not true about Houston. They had the WHA in the 70’s and filled their arena (albeit it was relatively small). They had an AHL and IHL team in the 90’s and 00’s which drew well, but the parent Minnesota Wild moved them to Des Moines. Houston would absolutely support an NHL team!
@@OldRustySteele So what I said was Houston has no NHL, AHL or ECHL team - and they don't.
Everything you said is true, but you misunderstood me.
What about Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee?
I have no problem with those 3 cities getting teams.
they had one in the 80's the Barons were a flop
@@robertyoung3992 In the 70s for only 2 seasons
AI voice had a stroke when talking about Utah
Atlanta has been given teams twice that failed should not have another try
Both times, they had atrocious owners. They had a solid fan base and a decent team.
@@CaydenDecker-jx8zh Solid fan base NOTHING! They were among the most fair weather in NHL history. The Flames barely drew 10,000 in their final season.
There’s nothing that the nhl needs less than expansion, if they want to preserve the integrity of the sport the nhl should NEVER expand again. Relocate failed franchises like Arizona. And a second team in Toronto is a braindead idea
This is bullshit. New teams in new cities mean more kids grow up watching hockey and wanting to play. More kids playing means a larger pool of talent for the NHL to pick from
@@gregjones7998 yes and it means diluting the sport, there are already 32 teams, 50% make the playoffs, less than that would destroy the legitimacy and integrity of the sport and the cup. There are already teams that have gone 50 years without success. Nothing could be more stupid than to think the only way to grow the game is to add teams while simultaneously giving a giant fuck you to every fan base that has already suffered two expansions rigged against the 30 real teams. The league can travel as it is, but to suggest the only way forward is to dilute the sport to the point we can’t recognize it is braindead behaviour. We all know there’s at least one team the should’ve been moved long ago, whichever city deserves it most should get it. There can be no more expansion without compromising the sport itself.
Just up the turnpike from Oklahoma City is Tulsa, a city of 400,000 in a metropolitan area of about 1 million with a well established long term minor league hockey team (in the past with a rivalry with past Oklahoma City hockey teams) and a large downtown arena.
Hard to believe that you didn't include Portland. They have a very strong hockey culture and 2 arenas for an NHL team to play in. Have a long history in the old western hockey league. What is standing in their way
Portland is a dump, it's political situation (basically being a communist hellhole) is terrible.
Give Quebec back the Nordiques.
Dislike expansion in all sports but wouldn't mind seeing Quebec with a team again
As if the league isn't watered down enough. Sheesh!
32 is enough already. Perfect number. Money Goblins will mess that up too.
Quebec team and second Toronto are essential fir the future of hockey. It’s a Canadian game but it’s a grass roots sport and those who are die hard fans should be able to have a team to watch in person. I live 8 hrs from Toronto and I can not get tickets to go to see the maple leafs without spending a fortune, so a second team would help lessen the cost…..I would hope and assume, same with Quebec.