How to sound like David Gilmour on a budget - Boss DS-1
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- In this video we'll examine the classic Boss DS-1. Is it capable of replicating classic David Gilmour fuzz and overdrive tones?
The DS-1 came out in 1978 and since then, it's been featured on more recordings than probably any other pedal. It gets a lot of hate but used with the right amp and with the right settings it's certainly capable of producing some great tones.
The DS-1 is designed to be used with loud tube amps with a bit of break up. It's low output mids scooped character thrives on Marshalls and other compressed midrangy amps. On cleaner mids scooped amps, like Fender and Vox, it can sound pretty horrible which is probably why a lot of guitarists dismiss it.
I've set up two tones - David Gilmour's mid 70s fuzz tones and the more recent overdrive tones. I've added a bit of delay with a TC Electronic Flashback set up with 310ms and 7 repeats for the fuzz tones and 800ms and 7 repeats for the overdrive tones.
As always, let me know what you think in the comment field below!
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Signal chain:
Guitar - Fender Stratocaster, with D Allen Voodoo 69 neck and middle pickups and Seymour Duncan SSL5 bridge pickup.
Amp - Laney Lionheart L20H, Laney LT212 cabinet with Celestion V30 speakers
Mic - Sennheiser e906
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I'm a simple man. I see a new Gilmour tone video with Boss pedals, I press like.
Awesome! Thanks!
gilmourish RIIS you think this pedal would work with a boss katana MK11
@@aml1418 There are reviews of first katana amps, where people compare pedals to their build in representations. If I recall correctly sounds is almost the same, but the built in volume of effect is louder. Still with build ins you don't have knobs and if you gig you won't tackle with Boss Tone Studio settings on stage.
gilmourish RIIS I own a blackstar ID 260 TVP is that a good amp
@@rubenmainor5410 as long as it’s clean, warm, and got a fair bit of mids, it’s good. I’d suggest you try it
The message is clear! If you have the talent to play, dig your gear, use it wisely, you can create any kind of sound.
I really don't understand the thumbs down on this, or *any* of the Gilmourish videos. Bjorn Riis is the single best resource for Gilmour's iconic tones and how to get them under your fingers (or in my case, trying to). These videos about doing it on a budget only further reinforces my point! Thank you, Bjorn, not only for the hard work, monetary costs, brilliant playing but very much for the passion you bring Gilmour's fans worldwide and for FREE!
I'll never understand those ungrateful wanks for the down-turned thumbs. I know there's a lot more people who feel like I do than not. I've seen your name mentioned in countless videos by a wide variety of things related to your guitar wizardry, so I am happy that those (insert favorite expletive here) can't possibly bother you! Thanks again for all you do!
Thanks for your kind words and support! People are free to express whatever they want and TH-cam allow thumbs up and down. I delete any inappropriate comments to keep this space a good spot for everyone but I guess you can't please everyone :)
One word; envy. Love the information Bjorn.
Blown away by how close that fuzz sound was. Btw I bought the green Russian reissue based on your review and am blown away with it. Love it.
Yep, that’s a good one!
Glad the Helix just got that pedal now in v3.6
That's how you do it. The pedal has low output and scooped mids. It doesn't pair well with scooped clean amps, but with mid-pushed amps such as Marshalls. That is it. If only overdrive and distortion pedals were described in those terms. But go read a review or description of a pedal and it's all about creamy, syrupy, woody, thundery, spicy, sweet, spongy, and other adjectives that mean fuck all.
Rafael Andrade it’s nice to see someone who thinks that all those guitar/amp/pedal adjectives are ludicrous. Another one I can’t stand is “wooly.” 😳
I'm going down the Big Muff rabbit hole the last few weeks and I know what you mean, literally none of EHX's literature describes the technical/eq characteristics in a way that i can match it with my amps before buying/trying
Rafael do you think it would work well with a blackstar ht5 ?
@@elvan12581 but the ht5 already has a drive channel
It does... But I can't begin to tell you how terrible it is. Maybe if you're into metal you may like it. But for me it's garbage... I can't stand the tone. @@diegopalominoss
man that DS -1 sounds _fantastic_
I used a DS-1 into a Fender Twin for years as my main drive sound, so I don't think it's fair to say it will always sound thin with a Fender. But you were right in the other respect, it does sound its best into a valve amp, you just have to make sure the power amp section is working out.
yeah to me it sounds very good with Fender Twin reverb
Thanks to Gilmourish I learned a lot and now I have practically a budget Gilmour fx board:
-Kokko compressor
-DIY Distortron (low gain at 18v as a plain eq drive)
-DS-1 mod (custom mod to bump mids)
-Boss CH-1 Super Chorus (MIT analog)
-Maza FX Temptation Tape Echo
-Boss GE-7 MIJ
I guess I'm missing some vibe or Small Stone style phaser. If you set the Rate at min and Depth at max on the CH-1 you can get a flangey sound for the Dogs solos
This has got to be the best DS1 video on YT. If I had just listened, I could easily say there was much fancier stuff involved in the tone. Which is no disrespect to the good old DS1, but rather a compliment on its quality and versatility. I've just got one and and I love it.
Thanks again Bjorn! I was getting ready to sell mine! It's been sitting in a shoebox on my bookshelf for about 3 years now... after watching this video I'm gonna be bustin it out for a comeback. I don't remember mine EVER sounding this good though and I'm not convinced that it ever will, but... we'll see what happens!
"The DS-1 is designed to be used with loud tube amps with a bit of break up. It's low output mids scooped character thrives on Marshalls and other compressed midrangy amps. On cleaner mids scooped amps, like Fender and Vox, it can sound pretty horrible which is probably why a lot of guitarists dismiss it. " - Bravo!!!
So very true.
I don't know: I would say my vox is nothing but mids, that's why I love it and why a ts-9 makes it sound like an am-radio
Didnt know this, so i need a marshall type amp :P
+The Consortion yep, I think people misunderstand Vox.
AC30s, AC15s etc. are very compressed, midrange heavy amps, naturally, and you hear this in the normal channel which is very pure and unfiltered - but then you have the top boost which has the controls that allow you to boost the treble and bass in such a way as to artificially force a more mid scooped tone out of them.
So the DS-1 should sound great into the normal channel of a typical vox - but horrendously brittle and fizzy into the top boost channel.
@@bojackhorseman5367 I love the normal channel cranked; that's all I use. It's true that vox (class A amps in general) compress a lot. I actually got rid of all my drive pedals, since they all compress heavily. I haven't found any distortion pedal yet that makes the amp sound "better". Not complaining though! Small rigs rock! For tuning/delay/modulation/boost etc. I use a line 6 m5, perfect setup for gigs.
Bjørn, another great tutorial showing how to get David’s tones with budget pedals. Thanks for doing this series. I am putting it to use.
Cheers!
Glad to see the DS-1 getting some love. I still have the DS-1 I bought back in 1980. It was my first pedal and she is still the greasiest girl in the trailer park. God I love her.
One thing I’ve recently discovered about this pedal; it loves single coil pickups. With high output humbuckers I found that the pedal was a little undefined but with my Strat, it does everything from Deep Purple to David Gilmour to Green Day to the Smashing Pumpkins. I currently am using it over a JHS Angry Driver. The Angry Driver sounds great on a clean amp like a Fender. The DS1, as Bjorn said, sounds amazing with a Marshall with a hint of break up.
Thanks!
It’s easy to forget, especially after some years of playing and the acquisition of all sorts of pedals, that Boss make a solid product that sounds great and works when expected too. Great Job as always!
Thanks! Good point!
I cant get enough of your playing and videos!!! Please make them an hour long!!! Bravo!!
Great tone and nice playing. I’ve started doing the long bends in my solos as a result of listening to Gilmour. He has amazing touch and his notes seem to flow out with smooth aggression!
Thanks!
Gilmourish I will give you a pretty cool hint to use that pedal these days for a modern sound for recording. Use it as a Pre-amp pedal into a DI or an instrument input on your converter and use an impulse response loader and check it out. It sounds pretty amazing. I was about to sell mine until I tried this and wow and this idea works well with any kind of Distortion or overdrive pedal.
Shocked by how close you got the sound. Would love to see more budget pedal review, like the baby boom fz 10
It's great to see so many others hear the power of the DS-1. It's all in how you use it for sure. The rich harmonic content of the distortion it produces can be further sculpted by adding a little compression and EQ after the pedal before the signal hits the amp. I do the same thing with my tube amps when placing effects in between the pre-amp and power amp when not using a DS-1. It is also an invaluable tool for those situations when you can't use your own amp for a performance (if you usually get your distorted/sustaining sounds from the pre-amp). Set in front of a fairly clean but cranked up channel on almost any amp renders a very real tube-amp-like sound for even the most critical ears. Just keep the tone below 9 o'clock or it can be quite hideous ...lol Nice demo! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
I’ve got one of these that I’ve neglected to use but this has given me a good base point to go and revisit it. Great video as always, Bjorn!
Thank you so much for the settings. Im a huge Floyd fan and I'm getting this pedal tomorrow. They will be the first two settings I use for sure. 👍🏻👍🏻
Under your hands everything sounds awesome.
Shows that a good deal of what we call great tone comes from fingers and understanding the gear!
Damn rocking out!! Keep these vids coming my ninja
Thank you for this video, Bjorn. I set my Mesa Boogie Mark V on the edge of breakup with the mids boosted. And the pedal sounds awesome.
Yes, the DS1 goes really well with my Mini Rectifier head also. I guess this pedal likes the not-very-bright sounding amplifiers.
Just bought one secondhand and it's on its way I'm as excited as a new puppy then I see Gilmour..hooked
Very good tone. The DS-1 was my first pedal. it still works after 20 years. Cheap and versatile pedal.
Such an underrated pedal. It was my first effects pedal, and I still use it almost 14 years later. Gets a nice thick sustain every time. Great for Gilmour tones.
I love this series Bjorn. It shows hear is important only to a point.
Nice tone and nice playing. From several years until now I've the belief that many people say that some gear sucks...but most of the times it's because people doesn't know how to use it/set it properly. I have my old DS-1 since 1993...It was my first pedal.
My point exactly.
Mine too
Many thanks, Bjorn, for this awesome budget series. Very nicely compliments your boutique demos which I really enjoy. Appreciate all you do.
Thanks!
Certain pedals work better with some amps than others. I'm glad you started off with that. I think a lot of reviewers miss that fact.
Bought a DS-1 today because of this video actually, even though I'd been thinking about it for a bit. Set it to that second setting you used but in my case with a slightly cranked Orange amp, and I was sold
I had a guitar at school and many years later I have decided to get a new one just to noodle around at home for fun. For this reason I am on a budget and also I have never bought a pedal before. I have been watching videos about pedals but never seen anyone explain the relationship between sound quality, perceived quality and the need to ensure the pedal is matched with the type of amp. This is a really instructive video as well as being really helpful on how to find tones on a budget. Awesome playing too. Cheers.
Thank you! Read more about choosing the right pedals for different amps on my site www.gilmourish.com/?p=7115
I’ve played guitar for 30 years and always loved the DS1. If it’s good enough fot Satriani, it’s good enough for most of us. These Gilmour tones are awesome! Thanks!
New subscriber cause I see David Gilmour and the Boss pedal. People tend to go with the fancy high end pedals but I see boss had helped many international artistes so this has something to do with their production. Good review 🙋♂️
Always used the DS-1 for faux fuzz type tones. Thx for the video.
One could argue that the DS1 is the best fuzz face ever. Retains creamyness and sustain, but eliminates excessive woolyness and the difficulty to cut through. In other words, a fuzz face without the infamous drawbacks of a classic fuzz face.
@@rafaelzengo5534 Totally. It is less choosy about amps either.
I liked that part when u got to overdrive section and u play kind of "poles apart from the división bell" ending, i loved it
Thanks!
DS-1 Great pedal!
You WOULD say that
@@floydharper4653 lol
Well you knew how to use it, oh great one.
Hi Kurt
Kurt Cocaine.
wow! I got really impressed. you did it! You got a great gilmourish tones using a pedal I thought it was horrible! Thank you very much!
Cheers!
gilmourish riis I Will buy a Boss ds-1. Man, I really love those tones. Cheers!
I wasn't a fan of the DS1, until last time I tried one. I turned the tone knob down to around 8:30 and it got thicker sounding, much to my surprise. For a pedal that goes for 25-30 bucks used, you can't really go wrong.
Gilmour apparently used a Boss HM2 for a short time. I'd love to see a demo of that, or even the infamous Metal Zone, in the context of Floyd tones.
Please Bjorn make a video showing the Boss HM-2 David Gilmour tones!!! This is a great pedal 🤘🏻
The best distortion box ever made. In my opinion.
I use the DS1 with a Peavey Mace this thing will rock
Fantastic video Bjorn! I've had success recording the DS-1 for slide as well. Also very well presented.
Thank you!
Incredible tone emulation, brilliant performance. Simply genius!
Thank you!
You have given me a very good clue with this video, thank you!
Thank you for always great videos :)
That's all my favorite songs. Very simple Backing...
But when your "GILMOUR" guitar starts playing, I hear bass, keyboard and drums :)
It is a wonderful guitar which is harmoniously SOUND.
I also would like to practice more. Thank you very much ♪
Thanks!
I modded my DS-1 with a home spun Keeley seeing eye mod, it sounds much better now, much fuller, and tone control is now usable.
Sounds good. I have one and when i used it I too only used it with a clean amp as that was all I had at the time so great i can relate that it wasn't the best in that application.
Thank you Bjorn for rehabilitating the DS1 👍
Cheers!
Sounds really great!
wow the tones are spot on! nice one mr. riis
Thanks!
I swapped out my JHS and Friedman distortions for a DS-1. Amp-in-a-box style pedals just don't work on low headroom combos, where as the Boss doesn't overload the amp with low end.
Also, people just don't play (tweak) loud enough to appreciate most old school overdrive / distortion pedals.
I'm the same. Wampler Pinnacle is the latest pedal to go up against the DS-1 and lose. I love the lack of low end the ds-1 produces. If you have a dark amp, it's the best
Thrifty Tones Wow that is a very cool testimony. I was A/B’ing the DS1 with the JHS Angry Charlie tonight. I like the Angry Charlie for that 80’s hard rock sound. The DS1 does a great Gilmour lead tone like Bjorn shows in this video. And it’s actually quite smooth when you back the tone knob down.
Amazing! Now I can achieve Gilmourish tones even on my ds, which I have hardly ever used!
Thank you so much, this helped a lot. 👍👍
I don’t understand the logic of people mocking BOSS pedals, they are generally very good bits of gear.
Boss has been around since the late 70s and their pedals has been featured on more classic recordings than most people can imagine...
One word...snobs.
Well, I do think their GE-7s are noisy and unusable.
What +wrath said plus it's not the latest $500 boutique pedal poorly made and won't last 30-40 years like my BOSS pedals.
Bruce B I pretty much only use BOSS pedals, with a collection of 15 so far, I have owned a variety of brands which have broken or failed in some way, but never had a broken BOSS pedal.
Great Video!!
I think it has a warm sound with my Vox-ac15 love this
In the same week I've just selled my DS-1 black edition out! lol. The pedal has a sonic characteristic that didnt combine with my sound. But it has some qualities, as you did show in this video. Congrats.
Boss ds1 is my main pedal for leads and hard rock. I use it with my strat through a clean channel like you said it’s all about how you use the settings from your amp to your guitar. Folks tend to forget the control knobs on the guitar as well.
Great video! It's funny the DS-1 gets so much hate but Hiwatts absolutely love this pedal. I used to use one until I was able to afford a better pedal, and funny enough I miss the way the DS-1 sounded through my '76 DR103. The tone is pretty much unusable past 1 o'clock, which is where I kept it, but if you don't go beyond that it sounds great. I might have to buy the Waza model.
Wow, I've been checking you web-site for year's and thought you were just some young guy. - Respect, sir.
People either hate, or love the DS-1 from metal player's to retro-rockers like me. It's either me making jokes about the DS-1 w/ a guitar store guy, like, "Wait. You guys stock the DS-1?!", or I'll get some guitarist who works in a hock shop avidly pushing me to pick up the DS-1 over any other pedal they have. It's not on the top of my list, but I only have Fuzz, and O/D pedals, and could use a distortion pedal.
I borrowed a DS-1, so old, that it didn't even have a plug input. It was the coolest sounding pedal I've ever heard.
One QUESTION - I tried though my 62' Supro 1606 w/ a clean tone (so you know the volume was rolled waaaaayyy back). This is how I found this amazing tone, but you say it prefers stacks to Combo's. I'm totally a combo, guy. Does it really sound that bad through a combo? I mean a Supro 1606 rolled back to 2-2:30 for clean played through an original Firebird Studio.
I play a Strat, now. I know longer have the amp, or the Firebird. You know more than me. Did I stumble upon this incredible tone just based on potent pairing's? The effect wasn't mind-blowing distortion, but more of a papery break-up that I'd love to find again!
The DS-l is more like a mild tonal color rather than an all out clipping sustain, from what I found. Could I get this result again through other combo's? I always like to run clean through an Xotic SP compressor (always on to add life to my clean tone, and other pedals), and let my pedals do the boost, coloring, and sustain. Any advice, on adding a DS-1 to this set-up?
There are no bad tones.Tone is always subjective and it always depends on what you need for the specific piece you’re playing.
Great video and great channel / web site. Thanks.
Thank you!
Great video. Sometimes i all the way down the tone knob of strat for fuzz tone with over drive.
Man...you are amazing
Bjorn I'm a Brazilian fan of Gilmour and like a lot your work in the Gilmourish,congratulations Man!
Thank you!
Fuzz faces are cool. I built two. They use germanium transistors to get the sound. The transistors need to be matched, however the slight differences in transistors lead to different feeling fuzz faces. Both of the ones I built have different characteristics. One definitely has more treble and gets extra fuzzy, the other is more tamed.
Many guitarists have a bad opinion of the DS-1 for the reasons he gave but there's an additional thing that you must remember which is that hi gain pickups will add to the bad results. They work really well on the settings he gave plus when you use low output pups. The Fender Stratocaster or any similar guitar is the best guitar to use through the DS-1.
Pickups obviously play a role but I don't think humbuckers alone makes this pedal sound bad. I've had great results with PAF and bursts in particular. Personally I think it's more about the amp. This is a scooped pedal so if you plug it into a Fender Twin you will get a nasty buzzy sounnd. It doesn't go that well with solid states either.
Awesome! now I know how to get that sound. ☺
Brilliant Video, Thank you.👍👍👍.
Melbourne, Australia.
Damn, I love this channel!
Thank you!
People often say that someone is “so close” to David’s tone. Do you mean on the original recording? Oakland Colliseum ‘93, 2 shows of Floyd then just David in Indpls and Water’s The Wall in 2013, he used different gear for the same songs, and so did GE Smith and the lead player at the wall show I saw, none of them sounded exactly like the records or exactly like the other shows. So it’s fun to try to get close, but have fun playing the music because he doesn’t have 1 sound, and most of what you hear is that way because he plays and thinks a certain way and no one else does it that way. Use any gear you can afford and just put your heart into it, your David tones will be just fine that way, have fun with it!
And this is why there are so many different overdrive / distortion tone pedals. Not just for the general effect but because some have been designed to work with specific equipment or a certain way
Really nice!
Impressive tone.
It’s difficult to get vibrato at the top of a bend and you nail it.
Try stacking a pair of DS-1s (first at low gain the second at less than half gain). 'A' six knob boutique pedal! Great playing.
Thanks for the tip!
Preciate you bjorn.
Rule of thumb... If it gets that much hate... it's good!!
Great video as usual. With all due respect Bjorn, you could get a passable Gilmour tone out of a Strat through an empty cardboard shoebox and a crappy solid state amp. Love your tone!
Ha ha! Thanks!
Funny, the DS-1 is my go to pedal when I'm too lazy to unpack my pedalboard, which means almost everyday. It has a bit of Tube Driver in it for some stuff.
This is the current stock model from Boss but I’ve been using the Analogman modded version with mids booster for years. Definitely one of my go to pedals. It’s all over Airbag’s Greatest Show album and my Forever Comes to an End 👍
@@gilmourishofficial
Gotta get mine modded. Is it expensive?
I use BOSS DS-1 too and splendid!
One of these into a Boonar for a really good early P.F tone if using small tube amp , simple but really effective.
I love to hit the front end of a British voiced, cranked amp with the DS-1. As a friend said "If you're not hitting your cranked Marshall with this thing, you're doing it wrong"
Good enough for Prince and Kurt Cobain, good enough for me.
Ditto the SD-1 and OD-2, OD-3
All underrated pedals
Satriani used one on his classic early albums and Gary Moore particularly liked the sound he got using a Strat through a DS-1. Those tones influenced rock guitarists all over the planet!
Boss pedals are so common that there have to be players out there who have bought them, gotten bad sounds out of them, and then written them off as bad pedals. I did that with an OD-1 and a GE-7 during the mid 1980s. If only I knew then what I know now.
If not already mentioned David also uses custom string sets with different gauges for his Strat's and LP's, made by GHS
i found that Ds1 has more good Gain when you out the dist to almost max level it will.give you good sustain with balance of gain using your volume
I love this pedal, personally there are not many times I can crank a 20w+ marshall tube amp, but I think even on a 5w tube, or a dialed in solid state, it sounds pretty good. Also I use humbuckers for this one, it sounds better to me.
This was the 1st pedal I've ever had when I was 15, in winter 2007. It could be useful for some things...
This was the 1st pedal I had when I was 15, but that was the late '70's! I've always hated the sound... until I saw this video. 1) The player knows how to play it 2) I've always had solid state amps. So that explains it.
beautiful. nothing wrong with that tone at all.
First, thank you so much for these videos. I have enjoyed every video you have left. Second, I was hoping that you might be able to help us owners of the Boss E-band JS-10 find the Gilmour sound. If so, I would be so appreciative!
Thanks for the kind words Bruce! I don't have any experience with the JS-10... Seems that it's utilizing the GT10 processor, so you should be able to choose amps and pedals similar to what David's using.
@@gilmourishofficial that is true. I will continue to try to find it :)
How about tellin' folks which pickup(s) were involved? Nooooobody ever tells their audience whether it was the neck, middle, bridge or combo that was used in obtaining the Geetar God'z Sound. These videos are aimed at us "beginner level" players. The Why's of using this or that would be helpful in gaining guitar skills. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
That’s fucking amazing
very nice
Goes to show.... Player talent means a LOT.
Love the playing. Not sure about the pedal sound. Seems to lack of some of the depth and vibrance of Gilmour’s sound. But then again it’s about keeping it budget friendly. :)
Having said that I appreciate the tips on pedals and how they pair up. I have lots to learn and these videos are great. Thanks!
Well, David never used the pedal... nor this amp so it’s more an attempt at trying to demonstrate that it’s possible to get close with different gear.
gilmourish riis Yeah, that's fair. And on its own it sounds great.
I've got mine to sound great even on a fender amp. Tele into DS1 with lower gain into a 64 bassman head turned up halfway.
Sounds awesome and understand what you are saying about amp selection
Is this an old vintage DS-1 or fairly new?
Thanks
Thanks! It’s a brand new stock pedal.
I still preferring my DN2 overdrive it comes more complete with a wide range of different distortion set although it's not so versatile with amps, Boss pedals does a great job along with the marshall valve state amps... It's my opinion of course 😁
Boss pedals are one of the best if not the best pedals in the world that's why many other pedal companies are emulating their products.